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Tuesday, May 20th at 3:00 PM EST/8:00 PM BST
Join known Marxist Computer Scientist Paul Cockshott on an AMA (Ask Me Anything) here at leftypol.org

Post your questions on the forthcoming AMA thread this Tuesday!

Cya there!

>>2273863
Mr. Cock would you do a direct criticism of neo-luddism in defense of scientific socialism and the potential behind a transhumanism of the workers?

>>2273863
Mr. Cock would you please do a review of this text https://barbaria.net/2024/07/01/criticism-of-neo-luddism/

>>2273863
Mr. Cock do you intend value production to be maintained indefinitely?
Mr. Cock what is your opinion on parecon (participatory economics) and the notion of so-called "decentralized planning"?

>>2273870
>>2273872
>>2273873
>>2273878
Mods if there really needs to be a separate AMA thread can you move the questions to the new thread?

>>2273863
Mr. Cock what is your view on the war on drugs? Do you think the war on drugs stagnates scientific progress in the fields of chemistry and botany? Do you see potential in the use of drugs for the development of the human condition? Do you think recreational use of drugs can have a utilitarian cognitive output?

>>2273883
Yes.
Also, please, one question per user. Don't spam.

>>2273891
I could get my buddies to ask the same questions, I'm a part of Class Struggle Action Network, will they be dismissed?

Are we allowed to ask him sexual questions?

>>2273902
Please don't.

>>2273917
Will the questions above >>2273890 >>2273878 >>2273873 >>2273872 >>2273870 be approved? They were submitted before being made aware of the plea for one question per user.

>>2273917
What if I put them to him in academic or Marxist phrasing?

>>2273922
Please accept the first questions mods. I'm not asking any more. They were asked before being made aware of the one question per person plea. If any other person asks them again they may as well be dismissed altogether as "posing as another user" so just please accept them as they are right now.

>>2273863
Really? I remember him saying that this is site is a mess and hard to navigate

>>2273933
where did you heard that?

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wait… paul is… here?

Scottish Independence Mr Cockshott, what do you think of it?

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What are your thoughts on the followers of the Group of International Communists (GIC)? The arbeitzeitrechnung people (IDA) and Tom & Donal of the From Alpha to Omega podcast would be two examples. They seem to be explicitly rejecting calculation in kind.
Also have this meme I made of Steedman.

>>2273937
dick wolff shouted us out, yugopnik did an AMA here, now dickblast

we can't stop winning

>>2273921
the existence of a video consisting only of the breaths, umms, chair squeaks, etc. implies the existence of a sibling video where you have removed all these. please provide that.

>>2273933
>>2273935
He in specific said his uni network blocked it at first didn't he?
He probably isn't wrong IB UI is usually ugly colors that burn the eyes no matter what theme you use.

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Has Cockshott ever set foot in a single union meeting or strike committee?

>>2274227
Shut the fuck up

fuck
i might have to call off work 2 hr early for that


>Post your questions on the forthcoming AMA thread
I suggest you lock this thread because people here don't know what "forthcoming" means.

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The AMA should be held on /lgbt/

>>2274227
did the strike committee retards understand linear algebra and computational mathematics AND economics to produce something on par with Dr Cockshott's work?

>>2274501
>AND economics
Marx did critique of political economy while academics only do political economy.

>>2274511
sure but everyone doing the critique is nonsense, some will have to try and tinker something as well.
That does not prevent others to then critique that tinkering.
Or do you think simply critiquing is going to bring about socialism?

>>2274483
this is a really good idea

Why are you a chauvinist terf loser?

I love you paul

Bugger off

thank you ive been asking for the dr. paul willaim cockshott AMA on leftypol since 2016

>>2274584
ANon. In all those years you simply didn't think to do it yourself?
Why are ML's like this? lmao.

+10 for whichever firecracker joined the mod team who is actually interested in outreach and community activities. It's been a while since anyone there actually cared beyond dev work.

-1 for using the reddit "AMA" term instead of phrasing it how imageboards have done for decades.

MANDATORY READING BEFORE YOUR QUESTION IS FORWARDED TO DICKBLASTT:
>>2249875
>>2249875
>>2249875

>>2273921
Still better than Šȟlǎvǒǰ Šžhiščžek *šchniff*

>>2273891
>>2273922
Just put the double-dipping questions further towards the end instead of all in one clump. Then everyone gets a go and if there's still time left, eager users get their other questions answered.

>>2274669
The labor cost of turning lead into gold by bombarding lead atoms with nucleons is incredibly high compared to simply mining for gold.

>>2273863
Here let me translate that into European: Tuesday, May 20th at 7:00 PM GMT

Why are you against Irish National liberation?
Why are you anti gay?
Why are you anti trans?
Why do you promote chauvanist parties and reactionaries?
Why do you blatantly ignore the importance of the class struggle?
Also why is a vulgar materialist and a bigot allowed an reddit tier ama here?

>>2274669
This is not the first time scienctists have turned lead into gold. Every single time it's ridiculously expensive, and produces tiny amounts.

Holy shit!

>>2274730
>Why do you blatantly ignore the importance of the class struggle?
Nonsense, Cockshott does class analysis in the context of the fall of the USSR, in the context of the history of the USA's economy, and in the context of the transition between slave economy and feudalism.
https://youtu.be/UoSe66oOKsw?feature=shared&t=1262 Here's his diagram of different forms of agriculture in Roman slave economy, with the transition between forms being caused by class dynamics.

Have you seen the animated Si-fi show "Serial Experiments Lain" yet?

>https://archive.ph/TUxmC
>"Marxist Economist Paul Cockshott Is a Reactionary"
>"Paul Cockshott, the author of Towards a New Socialism, is essentially a NazBol."
Is this true? Are you a NazBol because a random radical liberal from Twitter with a Picrew profile picture (that's using anarchist language and aesthetics) said you are a NazBol?
Please answer for me since I'm not allowed to have an independent opinion on Twitter, or the 16-year-old Twitter users from 2019 will bully me again. :^C

>>2274730
Leftists do not deserve anything
How many people with Cockshotts understanding of math and economics do you know who are interested in proposing socialist ways of doing economics? You are just a wrecker

>>2274730
>communism is when non-binary queer irish nationalists

>>2274929
Larp with an armalite and then suck anglo cock
That is communism
No need for computational mathematics lf fascist cockshott

>>2274730
This

Who tf cares what some boomer yelling at clouds thinks?

>>2274929
Communism is about uniting the working class, being a bigoted asshole goes directly against this goal.

>>2274973
Give a framework for socialist planning, complete with equations and algorithms, then we talk, you moron.
Humanities studies is a disease. Everyone must be forced into STEM

>>2274979
Communism is about communism.
Not obsessing over sodomy.

>>2274980
Oh sure, you and Cockshott got it all figured out, eh?

>>2274980
>EqUaTiOnS aNd AlGoRiThMs
You sound like you have no idea what you are talking about

>>2274989
Show me you understand more, liberal

>>2274984
Not all, but more than all of us on this thread definitely

Thankfully there are some people actually interested in the real process of establishing socialism and communism rather than posting essays about gay sex on the internet.

>>2275005
Why not both :^)

>>2274980
Forcing people into STEM without any philosophy and political theory is how you end up with figures like Julius Evola, Margaret Thatcher and Ted Kaczynski

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>>2274881
That was the era when they were trying hard to cancel Cockshott.

>>2274980
"Humanities studies" are only a disease in so far as the westoid versions are just radlib dogshit (CIA coded)

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>>2273863
>Tuesday, May 20th at 3:00 PM EST/8:00 PM BST
>Post your questions on the forthcoming AMA thread this Tuesday!
<everyone proceeds to ask their questions ITT

>>2275187
reading is bourgeois

>>2275187
Last time the mods transfered questions to the new thread.

>>2275146
Good news: The anon you are talking to doesn't have the power to do that

Bad news: The bourgeoisie are already doing it through "incentive structures"

>>2275189
Wow so I missed the last one for no reason. Good to know. Thanks. I guess I gotta formulate some questions ITT because I won't be available for the one tomorrow probably.

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>>2274730
potato digging hands typed this post

>>2274973
>asked, in a thread filled with people asking said boomer what they think.
rofl

>>2274973
Come on anon, get a goddamn grip of yourself. I don't agree with his takes regarding social issues like gay and trans rights; but he still has a fascinating, relevant, and plausible enough vision of a post-capitalist society that I'm willing to listen to him and ask what he thinks about that.

And that's what's most relevant to me since my ultimate goal that I see as emancipatory for all minorities, the LGBTQ+ community included, is the transition of society into a socialist mode of production that brings about communism.

>>2275294
this
i'm some freak homogay furry with a lot of trans friends but the issue is picking your battles where they are most important.

I don't think cockshott is going to advocate splitting a movement over this shit and he's not going to rat LGBTQ+ to the cops, so it's worth listening.

Reminder that this is a 70 something year old man from Glasgow. He is not going to be pro-furry.

>>2275384
well i'm not asking him to be

>>2274227
He organized people against Thatcher's poll tax (people refused to pay and the policy was abandoned) together with some other guy who had been to prison just for financing* a lefty party.

*through robberies

>>2275384
How is furrydom even a thing? It's literally just people wearing fur costumes so they can be anonymous irl and project a persona, an infantile version of Zentai.

>>2275294
So much criticism you can aim at some academic grifter just trying to sell his books on mangling marxism and you guys choose to focus on his (admittedly idiotic) personal opinions on queer people?

>>2275306
>splitting a movement
Cockshott is not part of any movement, lol.

>>2275498
>trying to sell his books
Yikes. I bet he also lives in a society.

>>2274377
You won't have to wait for a response. I'll just call you a retard now and move on. Retard.

>>2275146
they will have materialist philosophy classes and marxist political theory.
But STEM is the core. Marx would agree as Marx would hold Newton and Darwin higher than any 'philosophr'

>>2275498
>grifter
The man literally uploads his videos free on internet and his 'Towards a new socialism' in pdf form was made freely available by himself

>>2274393
Did you even read what I had written? Homosexual couples, particularly between men, tend to control more wealth proportionately than heterosexual couples. This blurs the line between the oppressor/oppressed narrative of identintitarian liberalism and leads us back towards material understanding. You really are a little twerp aren't you?

>>2275572
Yeah I read that and it was dumb. Why does this not apply to Jews?

>>2275574
It wasn't dumb. You're dumb. There is nothing inherently bourgeois about being a homosexual or Jewish. Both in western countries hold a disproportionate amount of wealth on average, therefore the average member of those groups has more economic stake in the status quo than the average person of a different grouping.

Message to all the gays in the AMA thread: I don't do bareback. Stop telling me to take the condom off when I'm already inside you. It breaks the bloody momentum.

Paul Cockshott is the greatest thinker and educator of our era. No one else comes close.

>>2275768
materialism

>>2274090
>What are your thoughts on the followers of the Group of International Communists (GIC)? The arbeitzeitrechnung people (IDA) and Tom & Donal of the From Alpha to Omega podcast would be two examples. They seem to be explicitly rejecting calculation in kind.
this

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>>2274833
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>>2273973
>>2274390
>>2274483
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>>2274833
2nding These please

>>2275560
You are homophoic bourgeois imperialist.

So how do these things work, are mods going to pick questions and Cock will answer them one after another, will users be allowed to post in the AMA thread itself, can we ask follow-up questions?

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>>2274881
>>2275158
found more:
>https://archive.ph/rWKhm
>Paul Cockshott: An Intellectual for Imbeciles
>Premise 1: Trans people are overwhelmingly workers (exploited above the average rate, which will be discussed later)
>Premise 2: Communists fight for the workers
>Conclusion: Communists fight with/for trans people
(We could attach all sorts of conditions to the conclusion, such as not being an informant, but these would be conditions applicable to anyone.)
>Nowhere in this argument does a need arise for philosophizing about sex or gender.
>Cockshott is unwilling to turn class analysis inwards, that is, examine how is own labor aristocratic nature as a first world academic limits his outlook and permeates his writing with all manner of petty-bourgeois prejudices.
>There is a great deal of overlap in the US between the anti-LGBT “communists” and the anti-BLM and anti-immigrant “communists”.
>Nobody is questioning anti-pedophilia laws that would encompass “priests buggering novices”, but Paul seems to be implying a link between homosexuality and pedophilia that has zero supporting evidence and is in fact believed solely by the most rabid bourgeois spokespeople.
>Paul is also totally hypocritical in his argument by association, as “gender critical” feminists frequently cavort with open fascists and do not hesitate to take lucrative professorships or government funds. In fact, Paul positively refers to an AIDS denier in [Lobby], reasonably making him a quack by association!

It's links to google doc:
https://archive.ph/60WtJ
> Cockshott, like any rogue intellectual, is forced to dance around the facts and resort to metaphor and various non-arguments. I will take him point by point, in the works I could find references to LGBT people. This Google Doc [Sourced as Google doc]
It's from mr cock himself as he discovers what pink capitalism is and the memes of it when he was kicked out of a ML facebook group

>>2276113
hot, can i be top

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>>2276168
>By having gay sex.
sir, would you be interested in hearing about the gospel of Innovationism?

>>2275932
it's cute that you think that is really him and not a low effort impersonator.

>>2276262
Wait, you're telling me that Paul Cockshott isn't from North Korea? This changes everything, my god…..

What will I do with the theory of Cyberjuche now?

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>>2276285
Cyberjuche already exists. Do you think the guys pushing the trains aren't cyborgs?

Hello Cockshooter. Have you ever thought of going to North Korea and giving a lecture there? I'm pretty sure they would be interested

Where is the thread??

>>2274811
it represents the suburban middle class's misguided desire to return to petty bourgeois agricultural yeoman farming

>>2276333
The thread will be posted around 3 pm EST

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>>2274811
it represents the proletarian desired to deposit their seed in Ms. Sneed

Dr. Cockshott, which do you think is more likely to happen first: The death of the UK labor party, or the death of the US democratic party? Both are false opposition in a bourgeois dictatorship that have imposed austerity repeatedly. Surely they are on their deathbeads.

>>2276368
>"deposit their seed in Ms. Sneed"
>not deposit their seed in chuck

>>2275189
are the mod going to import the questions?

>>2276403
you'll probably want to answer questions in the correct thread >>2276372 (assuming this actually is Paul and not someone pretending)

>mods are actively deleting questions that cockshott has already answered and replied to so that it is not clear which posts he is replying to
come on lol

Hello Paul. What should I study in uni?

I'm interested in Engineering, Politics, Computer Science, Climate Change, Economics, Urban Planning, Planned Economy, Cinema, Math, Ending Poverty. Idk how to make a career out of these things.

>>2276425
leftypol mods still completely incapable of doing anything cool its so good

>>2276425
its being to move to the actual AMA thread itself

>>2276425
there importing the posts, maybe, i think.
at this point just marge the two threads

>>2276429
Brother where is the AMA thread

>>2276425
they should lock and/or hide this thread
>>2276431
here: >>2276372


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