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Previous thread: >>2272667

IN BEFORE DEMOCRATS RUIN THIS THREAD TOO

>>2274120
Just want to continue to stress that the goal of being a communist (and an anarchist :v)) is to abolish wage slavery.

Letter To American Workers
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/aug/20.htm

>The representatives of the bourgeoisie understand that for the sake of overthrowing Negro slavery, of overthrowing the rule of the slaveowners, it was worth letting the country go through long years of civil war, through the abysmal ruin, destruction and terror that accompany every war.

>But now, when we are confronted with the vastly greater task of overthrowing capitalist wage-slavery, of overthrowing the rule of the bourgeoisie—now, the representatives and defenders of the bourgeoisie, and
>also the reformist socialists who have been frightened by the bourgeoisie and are shunning the revolution,
>cannot and do not want to understand that civil war is necessary and legitimate.

here we have Lenin advocating for the abolition of wage slavery with the same fervor one would chattel slavery.

in the same letter

I believe towards the end of 1915, in the article “What Shall I Fight For” (I quoted this article at the beginning of 1916 at a public meeting of workers in Berne, Switzerland)[5]—that he, Debs, would rather be shot than vote credits for the present criminal and reactionary war; that he,
>Debs, knows of only one holy and, from the proletarian standpoint, legitimate war, namely:
>the war against the capitalists,
>the war to liberate mankind from wage-slavery.

really cannot get any more explicit than this

>>2274145
This general is better. A pedophile ruined the other one.

>>2274154
If you’re unironically using shitlib terms like “wage slavery” then I’m sorry but you are far too pampered for communism

>>2274154
Wrong. Communist wage systems exist in all Communist countries.

>>2274157
"Extracting surplus value'

>>2274160
Kill yourself.

>>2274151
don't summon the people you hate

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>>2274160
Paid in Reichsmarks

>>2274154
You misread Lenin. Keyword is CAPITALIST wage slavery. Not abolish all wage systems. Communist Wage system and capitalist wage slavery are utterly different.

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Move this here

>>2274157
>If you’re unironically using shitlib terms like “wage slavery”
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1888/free-trade/index.htm
<This overproduction engendering either periodical gluts and revulsions, accompanied by panic, or else a chronic stagnation of trade; division of society into a small class of large capitalist, and a large one of practically hereditary wage-slaves, proletarians, who, while their numbers increase constantly, are at the same time constantly being superseded by new labor-saving machinery; in short, society brought to a deadlock, out of which there is no escaping but by a complete remodeling of the economic structure which forms it basis.
Famous shitlib Friedrich Engels

where is the white mao

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There are about two million fast food workers employed by McDonald's and similar companies in America right now. Think about that for a second–millions of people working long hours, often for poverty wages, in an industry built entirely around speed, convenience, and cheap labor. Now imagine if we nationalized that entire sector. Take every McDonald's, every Burger King, every Wendy's, every Domino's, and put them under public ownership. And then, instead of maintaining this absurd density where four fast food restaurants sit on the same street corner, we drastically reduce the number of locations. Streamline it. Make it centrally managed. What you're left with is a leaner, more intentional network, organized on a local scale–neighborhood, district, city–plugged into a national supply and distribution system.

So we shut down maybe two-thirds of them. That still leaves a massive footprint. Because again, in most places, you'll find multiple fast food chains within a few hundred feet of each other. You don't need four. You don't need three. You need one. Close the rest. Convert that one into a community kitchen. A public canteen. Something different in tone and structure–no longer driven by profit, no longer an assembly line of grease and burnout. You automate some of the tasks. You cut down on unnecessary labor. The remaining workers are paid well. They're not service drones–they're providing socially necessary labor, feeding people in their own neighborhoods. It's dignified, respected work, embedded in a broader project of transitioning towards communism.

Now what do you do with all the people who used to work in the other locations? You don't just throw them away. You take that surplus labor and redirect it toward something productive. Something real. Maybe that means a national climate jobs program. Retraining. Education. Give people the opportunity to learn actual skills–carpentry, plumbing, electrical, agriculture, anything with long-term use value. Not this endless churn of fast food labor, spending your days making minimum wage while dealing with pissed-off customers trapped in consumer hell. Give people tools. Give them time. Let them come back with something that can lift up their community. That's what a workforce program should do. Everyone gets a shot at a life grounded in collective rebuilding, not corporate extraction.

And while we're at it, ask yourself: why do we even need drive-thrus? Why are we designing cities around cars in the first place? Drive-thrus aren't just a feature–they're an expression of capitalist priorities. Fast movement, private consumption, isolated transactions. They're part of the superstructure. That's the problem. People want to cling to the superstructure–car-centric design, private property, franchised consumer spaces–and just slap some socialist vocabulary on top of it. "Socialist service economy." What does that even mean? It's nonsense.

You can't preserve capitalist forms and expect revolutionary outcomes. That's not how this works. The majority of what exists in this country–from zoning laws to labor hierarchies to the layout of highways and parking lots–is a product of the capitalist superstructure. These things aren't neutral. They were built for a reason. They exist to serve capital. And you don't change the system by keeping those structures in place and trying to inject them with new meaning. You dismantle them. You destroy them. Only then can you begin to change the base.

But instead, we get this pseudo-leftist fantasy where we keep all the fast food joints and pretend they're somehow revolutionary now because the workers own a fraction of them, or because they pay fifteen dollars an hour. It's ridiculous. The logic is still capitalist. The form is still capitalist. The whole thing is still designed to extract value and reinforce capital's dominance.

We need to tear the whole thing down. Fast food, drive-thrus, endless sprawl, meaningless labor–it all has to go. That's the point. You can't build something new until you destroy what's holding everything in place.

>>2274171
>Famous shitlib Friedrich Engels
I mean he kinda was sometimes no cap. You guys are goofy as he'll though. I've been on this board for 10 years and it is always the same stupid circular arguments over and over again like you are going to finally reach some epiphany that will lead to something productive irl, but it never does.

>>2274176
Maybe consider suicide no cap frfr

Considering this is the American thread, has anyone else noticed their large stomach when playing with your shirt?

>>2274162
You are wrecker. Demanding comrade to commit suicide is punishable by 3 day ban. Any proletarian science textbook say why Communisy wage system is totally different from capitalist wage system.

Gee America, how come your mom lets you have TWO generals?

>>2274176
> I've been on this board for 10 years
good for you
>and it is always the same stupid circular arguments over and over again
maybe that's because old people leave and new people show up with the same questions and go through the same phase of development.

>>2274172
Not coming around for a long time. Best we've got is Bob Avakian, and that guy's a cult leader who barely anyone can fucking stand.

>>2274175
This did not need to be reposted

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>>2274185
Is it just me or is a lot of RevCom's aesthetic designed to appeal to those on the autism spectrum? Cuz I'm autistic and I actually kinda like their flashy presentation style. If it weren't for the fact that I knew going in that these people were a nutty cult of personality I'd have probably stuck around and read a bit.

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>>2274175
idk why people bother with fast food
>oh it's fast tho
every time i go to a fast food joint it's a half hour in line. I'd literally be better off grilling them burgers at home
>what if no grill
air fryer, frying pan, whatever

>>2274191
its kinda a mindfuck when you realize that fast food is essentially a boomer cultural product and not an everpresent part of human life

>>2274175
Nationalizing mcdonald just brings down costs for capitalists and brings no benefit to proletarian. USPS did all this. Taking mcdonald and givng it to entire bourgeoisie is liberalism. Having more stable capitalist industry with less competing enterprises doesnt help proletarian. Fighting material laws like law of value and capitalist competition is bourgeois.

All of the bombers chemical experiments put together into 1 video

>>2274192
> essentially a boomer cultural product
genpol analysis often fails because it imposes arbitrary 15 year windows onto history and lumps people right next to each other in birth to fundamentally different "generations." I have been told on here before by genpol fans that genpol isn't about generations. OK then. It shouldn't even present itself as being about generations if that's not what it is trying to analyze.

Fast food is a byproduct of the industrialization and monopolization of the restaurant business. Restaurants went from being petty-bourgeois dominated to industrialized just like other sectors. The guys who made McDonalds, Richard and Maurice McDonald, had as their main innovation the imposition of the assembly line method of production onto the kitchen. Also the guys who started McDonalds weren't even "boomers". They were from 2 generations earlier, the "Greatest Generation" called so because they often fought in WWII, these people being born between 1901 and 1928. We now have a phenomenon where every 15-30 years marketing dorks invent a new "generation" to call people and use the cultural superstructure to impose desired consumption habits as stereotypes of the generation. Millennials were accused of being obsessed with Avocado toast by these people as a form of subliminal advertising. The generational stereotypes of the marketers is not merely shaped by the generations being analyzed, but also shapes them. This is what the genpol obsessed people miss.

>not an everpresent part of human life


Eric Hobsbawm in his essay collection "On Nationalism" which I highly recommend talks about how many "ancient" traditions of nation-states were often invented between the 1600s and 1800s and don't even go back to the middle ages. The earliest national anthems for example date to the 1740s

>>2274191
Used to be due to it actually being cheap and fast. Then enshittification did its work.
Fast food been around since the ancient days. Capitalism merely adopted it.

>>2274204
yes people have always prepared food as quickly as possible using the most inexpensive methods available but I think "fast food" refers to the transformation of the petty bourgeois restauraunt kitchen into a sort of industrial factory meant to be integrated into the larger monopoly capitalist economy. That is what makes it modern and not ancient.

>>2274178
>Maybe consider sucide no cap frfr
Why? It's funny how you kids project your mental illness onto everyone and think you are affecting anyone by acting like a lunatic. You are only clowning yourself.
>>2274183
>maybe that's because old people leave and new people show up with the same questions and go through the same phase of development.
Leave to where? I think it is only the tired axiom of
>anyone who isn't x when young has no heart…
Really it is true. People are just young idealists running their mouths about shit they have no experience with when young, then give up on that bullshit as they "grow up" and go tge easy route and live the normie life and "sell out."

I'm serious about this shit. I'm in it to learn adapt and grow and keep focused on the goal even if it seems far-fetched and even improbable that it will happen in my lifetime.

<my bad posting while I should be doing my other work on someone else's device with the insufferable autocorrect on

>>2274207
>refers to the transformation of the petty bourgeois [INSERT HERE] into a sort of industrial factory meant to be integrated into the larger monopoly capitalist economy.

This could be said about a lot of things though.

>>2274142
>Marx and Engels explicitly state their opposition to wage labour
under capitalism because it's how functions the exploitative system of capitalism.
show me where they say they are against wage labor by any shape or perform under socialism and communism. go ahead.
>>2274154
>capitalist wage-slavery
it's a description that you seem to segregate. your attempt to create a false dichotomy is nonsensical.


>>2274171
put the quote more extended:
To him, Free Trade is the normal condition of modern capitalist production. Only under Free Trade can the immense productive powers of steam, of electricity, of machinery, be full developed; and the quicker the pace of this development, the sooner and the more fully will be realized its inevitable results; society splits up into two classes, capitalists here, wage-laborers there

you are doing shitlibery misrepresentation of what he's saying
>REEEE ABOLISH GENDER, WE'LL ACHIEVE COMMUNISM THIS WAY
>REEEEE ABOLISH FAMILY, WE'LL ACHIEVE COMMUNISM THIS WAY
>RREEEEEEE ABOLISH RACES, WE'LL ACHIEVE COMMUNISM THIS WAY

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>>2274176
>I've been on this board for 10 years and it is always the same stupid circular arguments over and over again
Incest!

>>2274240
>only shitlibs say wage slavery
<here's engels saying wage slave
>you took him out of context because [a bunch of shit unrelated to the original conversation]

illiterate

>>2274244
>illiterate
>accusing other of taking out of context Engel's words.
you are projecting kid, and Engels is focusing on the way capitalism exploits, not that the tool can't be used under socialism.
Again, for the nth time, read theory.
>Critique of the Gotha Programme
>The Principles of Communism
for you.

critical support for trump I guess, because he's killing free trade, and according to the rad-lib, that's Engel's main point, alongside with wage labor that you have to abolish to reach communism.

>>2274240
to be honest I think he was wrong. If we look at economic history:
britain introduced new means of production but used protectionism first to develop it
America introduced better means of production and used protectionism first to develop it.
germany introduced better means of production and used protectionism first to develop it
Japan introduced better means of production and used protectionism first to develop it.
China introduced better means of production and used protectionism first to develop it
Theres a trend where new upcoming economic giants use protectionism first to develop new advanced means of production.
Its been a cycle repeating over and over again. In other words engles and marx was wrong.
The truth is productive powers emerge as new protectionist nations emerge that develop new means of production. And then only after engage in free trade

>>2274251
eh, what you described is what Engels is exactly conveying in that article.

i heart infinitely relitigating the past rather than taking the principles of communism and adapting them to modern conditions

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>>2274245
you seem utterly confused about what the argument was even about. the first anon said, quote

>>2274157
>If you’re unironically using shitlib terms like “wage slavery” then I’m sorry but you are far too pampered for communism

whereupon another anon provided an example of engels using that term:

>>2274171
>division of society into a small class of large capitalist, and a large one of practically hereditary wage-slaves, proletarians

whereupon a third anon (idk if it was you) entered the conversation and started arguing with shit nobody said:
>>2274240
>(see picrel)

nobody was talking about any of that in the previous posts! it is illiterate to think so!

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>>2274257
But the heads of communism are rge prophets no matter what their thought produced. It was everyone else that was wrong for not being orthodox to the heads enough.

>>2274245
>not that the tool can't be used under socialism.
>Again, for the nth time, read theory.
>Critique of the Gotha Programme
>The Principles of Communism
Nta, but both of those works state opposition to wage labour as well. There is not one work I can think of that states support from wage labour in communism, it's utterly anti-thetical to it that people would still sell their labour power as a commodity.

>>2274228
indeed it could! That isn't a detraction of the point at all but an example of why it is a useful analysis: it can be applied to many things!

>>2274251
britain didn't use protectionism to develop industry, neither did germany or most of the smaller european states. in america, japan and china it is nuanced and different from germany where there was a general tariff (that wasn't to protect the local industry but to fund the government). imagine writing this much and not posting numbers, you are just vibe guessing

I don't mean to be abstruse, this early 20th century cultism is so played out and appeals to no one.

>>2274262
>britain didn't use protectionism to develop industry
… literally every country uses protectionism to develop industry. That's why they call it "pulling up the ladder" when a country finishes industrializing and then pivots to free trade to export its commodities

>>2274157
>If you’re unironically using shitlib terms like “wage slavery” then I’m sorry but you are far too pampered for communism
<And the dictatorship of the proletariat, i.e., the organization of the vanguard of the oppressed as the ruling class for the purpose of suppressing the oppressors, cannot result merely in an expansion of democracy. Simultaneously with an immense expansion of democracy, which for the first time becomes democracy for the poor, democracy for the people, and not democracy for the money-bags, the dictatorship of the proletariat imposes a series of restrictions on the freedom of the oppressors, the exploiters, the capitalists. We must suppress them in order to free humanity from wage slavery, their resistance must be crushed by force; it is clear that there is no freedom and no democracy where there is suppression and where there is violence.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch05.htm
No investigation, no right to speak.

>>2274259
we must apply PPW in the USA because it just has to work, fuck creating something that has a chance of working, you gotta do it for the mloid personalist cult

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>>2274262
>britain didn't use protectionism to develop industry,
the first industrial revolution happened in britain during its protectionist era (1760-1820)
>germany
germany engaged in listian style protectonism post 1879, with bismarck
>america
america had extreme tariff rates as seen in image
>japan
japan engaged in protectonism during its miti era (1950-1970)
>china
china is complicated but it does engage in protectonism
>>2274264
correct ha joon chang talked about this

>>2274268
also to specify (1760-1820) is about the time when the first industrial revolution happened. British protectionist and mercantalist era was way bigger than 1760-1820

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>>2274268
>GATT 1947
interesting thing about that

>>2274273
GODFUCKING DAMNIT

>>2274274
I know, right, workers have so much more leverage when there isn't a huge reserve army of labor. we almost legislated a global abolition of that reserve army

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>>2274275
States would just give shitty, make do work for a horrible minimum wage so there would be workers competing for good jobs all the same

>>2274167
>Keyword is CAPITALIST wage slavery. Not abolish all wage systems. Communist Wage system and capitalist wage slavery are utterly different.
Wage labour is not the same as wages, but in reality there is little difference. Critique of the Gotham Program literally advices that in the case of lower phase communism, that the use of labour vouchers should be used, which is wholly different as it functions as a rationing system wholly unfounded or based on the wages system. There is no "communist wages" system, there are merely revolutionary states which temporarily utilize wage systems in their development towards lower phase communist systems. Once said revolutionary state has completed it's task of facilitating the global proletarian international revolution against the existant capitalist powers and has subjected the world to proletarian rule (the dictatorship of the proletariat), then can lower phase communism be built. A communist society, not even a lower phase one, cannot be wholly built in the context of global bourgeoisie dominance and a systemically capitalist framework.

>>2274201
While i do use the term zoomer/boomer or whatever. I get that there is a massive social difference between graduated in high school zoomers before and after covid. The obama/bush first vote millennials ect ect.

>>2274279
ye be missing the point, where the state be providing the employer of last resort for any given landlubber and thus threats from the scallywag bosses lose much their teeth

>>2274260
>There is not one work I can think of that states support from wage labour in communism
I didn't say that wage labour is the way, I stated that abolishing it isn't the pre-condition or required condition to achieve the proletariat enmacipation.

>>2274262
>britain didn't use protectionism to develop industry
Engels wrote that exactly article quoted by the radlib that it was precisely the case, that the British empire celebrated the end of protectionist laws, in this case
> a Free Trade Congress was held at Brussels. It as a strategic move in the Free Trade campaign then carried on by the English manufacturers. Victorious at home, by the repeal of the Corn Laws in 1846, they now invaded the continent in order to demand, in return for the free admission of continental corn into England, the free admission of English manufactured goods to the continental markets.
The Corn laws were protectionist measure:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_Laws#:~:text=The%20Corn%20Laws%20were%20tariffs,including%20wheat%2C%20oats%20and%20barley.
>The Corn Laws were tariffs and other trade restrictions on imported food and corn enforced in the United Kingdom between 1815 and 1846. The word corn in British English denotes all cereal grains, including wheat, oats and barley.[1] The laws were designed to keep corn prices high to favour domestic farmers, and represented British mercantilism

Don't be so dense and say something it's easily debunkable during this conversation. literally you aren't reading anything here.

>>2274285
Kommunism with Korn

>>2274290
it's not the only condition but wage systems are antithetical to planning

>>2274248
>defending wage labour
Read a single piece of communist literature.

>>2274289
so I guess France is really socialist because they currently want to force every non working person into labor for 500€ a month to attain full employement

>>2274268
>>2274273

>china is complicated but it does engage in protectonism

China engages in protectionism under the Uruguay Rounds that formed the WTO, under the GATT rules, and established that any developing nation have exceptions to promote the developing of their nations, and no develop nation can sue those countries for their protectionism.
China only joined until that article was presented.
And then the US wants to push China under lawsuits, and the incessant promotion that China is a developed nation is a propaganda created by the rethuglicans, and it's a shame many communists have fallen for that propaganda, when China precisely doesn't want to end that, only under their terms, which is part of the self-determination principles.
that China has used their funds to make their lives much better, and have solved many poverty problems, doesn't mean they are ready to engage in free trade.


>>2274299
it's inherent in what money is you clod: the circulation of debt tokens is a vital part of the process of blind accumulation

>>2274297
>strategies for giving the working class leverage vs capitalists == systems where the working class are in power
???

>>2274301
not necessarily true, there's no ethics in anything used by capitalism or socialism, therefore it's not the tools that makes a system exploitative, like money or wage labor, it's the use intended. after all, you can use a whip to tie a horse-drawn vehicle to the horse and it won't be leaving marks on the slave.

>>2274307
okay so you completely disagree with all of marx
good to know

>>2274309
I am asking again, source.
and again, double raising the bet: without segregating the definition presented from capitalism.
there's 0 instances where they explicitly state don't use wage labor don't use money to build socialism or communism. 0. because over and over again, they are stating tools used by capitalism, and how they are used.
if you want to use an iron maiden to pinch a watermelon, you aren't being bad.

>>2274311
Yes, you are disagreeing with Marx's point that the "ethics" of the capitalist are broadly irrelevant and the cruelties of capitalism are inherent to the flow of motion: that the mechanisms of capitalism give rise to these problems.

Your solution is not fundamentally different from arguing that we need to elect politicians who aren't bad, and have good guy capitalists, who don't use these things to oppress us.

>>2274314
> "ethics" of the capitalist
the ethics of the tools under capitalism. a very distinctive difference.
>that the mechanisms of capitalism give rise to these problems.
it is.
>Your solution is not fundamentally different from arguing that we need to elect politicians who aren't bad, and have good guy capitalists, who don't use these things to oppress us.
that's a very strange non-sequitur, because there's a large bridge between clarifying that the tools aren't inherently bad, vs. that the politicians can be 'elected' to achieve socialism. or that good capitalists will bring socialism.

though I don't disagree at that completely, if you want to ask. after all, Lenin worked with Armand Hammer, Lenin even thanked personally for his contribution to socialism.

>>2274317
Yes, so you're fundamentally in disagreement with the idea that the mechanisms of the economic base (wage labor and commodities leading to accumulation) creates a superstructure around it.

>>2274298
>that China has used their funds to make their lives much better, and have solved many poverty problems, doesn't mean they are ready to engage in free trade.
I agree with you

>>2274318
>the economic base
the economic base isn't wage labor and money, the economic base is who controls the means of production and what intends to do with those means of production.

>>2274326
And so we end up with socialist commodities and socialist economic recessions caused by socialist overproduction that can't sell into the socialist market?

>>2274329
actually do you even understand what you're asking for and what money is?
Do you think "wages" are just "when you're given pieces of paper every week for doing your job"?

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< California fertility clinic bomber left online manifesto describing himself as a pro-mortalist, arguing people didn't give consent to be born

Basically 95% of terrorism isn’t committed by radicalized ideologues but rather by people with serious neurological disorders and no coherent political beliefs.

>>2274372
Yeah no shit.

>>2274372
>pro-mortalist, arguing people didn't give consent to be born
Are the petit bourgeois of the first world really so deeply up their own arse with their psychosis that they be talked into a terrorist plot on behalf of an ideology formed from leftover scraps of Rick & Morty and The Oatmeal?

>>2274372
>no coherent political beliefs.
Idk. I think he's onto something. Ive been saying life needs a character creator for a while now. It'd solve so many problems.

>>2274372
That's the fake news legacy media demonrat narrative. The reason why he did it was because he missed his babe and didnt want to go on without her.

>>2274329
There are no recessions in Communist China. Communism is immune to crises.

>>2274388
so true, they're people's crises with the workers' recession

>>2274386
>The reason why he did it was because he missed his babe and didnt want to go on without her.
Little column A, little column B. Girl thing was probably the main imstigator.

>>2274389
Communist China is immune to crises. Crises is period of negative real GDP growth.

prostate cancer has a right to defend itself

>>2274329
huh? how would that be possible if you use wage labor not to sell and buy labor power but to actually pay or buy a certain quantity of labor from any worker?
the hidden exploitative mechanism of wage labor under capitalism is hidden and done by capitalists.
>>2274340
I guess you were quoting me. and that text above in this reply answers your question.

How would you go about convincing a majority of Americans that we should have universal health coverage?


>>2274401
Why won't they vote for it then?

>>2274396
> to actually pay or buy a certain quantity of labor from any worker?
and the difference between this and piece work wage labor is?

>>2274402
because in the US (and by extension in nato/the west, SEE: GINI indexes across those nations historical increases) you cannot 'vote' your way out of capitalism accumulation of wealth.
either the lawmakers that swore they would fight for that abandon that promise or the ones elected to oppose those movements effectively block every proposal.
and the population is too alienated to organize themselves in favor of protecting their rights.

>>2274402
blud thinks this democracy shit is real

>>2274402
Most people don't care too much, especially since the desperately poor and very old are covered through already-existing programs.
And people don't actually vote for policies, except in a few state governments, we vote for politicians. Americans have elected politicians who promised free healthcare before, but none of them did shit.

>>2274402
>liberal “democracy”

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>>2274402
Because the average American's ideology is a hodgepodge of contradictory bullshit that's made worse to daily exposure to anti-communist and anti-socialist propaganda that the superstructure reinforces.

A lot of Americans are in favor of basic progressive policies when asked about them, but because of this steadfast diet of pro-capitalist and anti-communist slop that's mixed in with a bourgeois democracy controlled by a duopoly that represents and works for the ruling class and a media apparatus that readily spreads and exacerbates divisive bullshit that makes workers separate themselves by identity, they're easily duped into voting against their own interests.

Look no further than all of the people last year who supported both AOC and Trump, two political figures who have established themselves as populist and anti-establishment, if you want an example of what I mean.

When Biden inevitably dies in 6-10 months will Trump post on Truth.social some hypocritical eulogy saying how he was a good patriot all along or will he double down via hard mockery and calling him some shit like "Tumor Joe"? Cuz if its the later, I will unironically respect that a lot.

So are Americans just too dumb?
>oh the money for campaigning
You can post shit for free. You can talk to people for free. Americans are just too dumb and complacent.

the treat thing really pisses me off and I have lived in poverty most if not all of my life

>>2274413
I think you're going to be disappointed.

I'm incredibly depressed because of the state of the world and I can't help but feel like I'm helping make things worse.

>>2274419
Well let it inspire you to take action somehow!

China isn't communist.

The sky is blue

>>2274413
what song will play in the bg?

>>2274421
Well that's just the thing, I don't know what actions to take.


>>2274425
Its gotta be Angel by Sarah McLachlan. Reality is too stupid these days for it to be anything more subtle than that.

>>2274422
0/10 bait, are you even trying anon?

>>2274399
Taking over the government, ordering the military to hold the courts under siege, force at gunpoint, legislators to put their signature on universal healthcare, purge them, replace them with loyalists, once I'm assassinated, or by the time I'm assassinated by the bourgeoisie I would have put so much red tape and so much legal precedent that getting rid of universal healthcare would be the equivalent of destroying the entire country over night, basically getting rid of all taxes by magic which is insane and will never happen. So I would enshrine universal healthcare so deep that even if it was possible to repeal it that it would take like 50 years to even begin to repeal it.

>>2274402
they tried in '16 and '20 but the establishment rigged it. they have all the institutional power to manipulate the process and they control the media to scare boomers into voting for the "safe" candidate that opposes whatever the establishment doesn't like.
the old saying is true, if voting could really change anything you wouldn't be allowed to do it.

>>2274426
Free yourself and use your own freedom to free others. Form of community of folks who recognize the hell of neoliberalism and want a way out, unite over a shared struggle and begin pooling your knowledge and resources for something greater. We cant all be fighters, vanguardists, the politburo; the important thing is to remember that you can always play a part in bringing about communism.

>>2274422
i mean yeah but what does it have to do with the board?

>>2274307
>not necessarily true, there's no ethics in anything used by capitalism or socialism, therefore it's not the tools that makes a system exploitative, like money or wage labor, it's the use intended. after all, you can use a whip to tie a horse-drawn vehicle to the horse and it won't be leaving marks on the slave.
What are you talking about? This all has nothing to do with ethics, and everything to do with the mechanisms of capital. This idea that it isn't the "tools", but rather how you use them, is exactly the issue that Marx had with the various utopian socialists of his time. It is the tools, the very base of society, that shapes the society to emerge. You may have to proceed through the use of said mechanisms as you proceed out of capitalism (socialisms various "birth pains"), but to treat them not as flawed mechanisms that are necessary to supercede, and instead as things to wholly incorporate in a "communist" way, will inevitably lead to the reintroduction of capitalism proper.
>>2274326
>the economic base isn't wage labor and money, the economic base is who controls the means of production and what intends to do with those means of production.
????. That isn't the "base" at all, have any of you read Capital once!? The entire point of Marx's critique is that the bourgeoisie are simply facilitators of the capitalist process; it's not hard to even come out of capital pitying the capitalist for the fact that he is as much a slave to the mechanisms of capital as all other classes. The foundation of capitalism is wage labour, that is entirely how it perpetuates itself by means of the extraction of surplus labour, with the workers selling their labour power as commodity. The commodity is the "cell form" of capitalism, the smallest building block of capitalist production. That isn't to say commodity production is what solely "defines" capitalism, but it is what capitalism is predicated on, and any kind of generalized commodity production will inevitably allow for the reintroduction of capitalism proper given enough time. Money as a value form is incompatible with communism as it's emergence and use is tied directly to the capital cycle.

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>>2274413
Playing it cool so far

>>2274452
How long until the Democrats start saying this is when Trump finally became president?

Americans really want nothing but getting ahead on the hedonistic treadmill. In fact in America there is nothing that makes a great man greater than being ahead on it.

so if Biden was president rn how fuck'd would we be lads?


>>2274462
They could've just handed over to Kamala

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>>2274454
Immediately. They got pissed off earlier when Joe got dunked on, saying shit like “even Donald Trump acted better”.

Don’t be surprised when at least some of them embrace the red hats with open arms.

>>2274462
They should keep him on life support and force everyone to pretend he is still awake and conscious

>>2274474
They will have AI Biden at the funeral.

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>>2274452
funny how they always set aside the professional wrestling kayfabe for moments like this and then libs praise them up and down because they're civility fetishists

>>2274408
>Most people don't care too much, especially since the desperately poor and very old are covered through already-existing programs
This is the cold hard truth. The poorest among us have Medicaid and the elders have Medicare. So why would a good chunk of voters care about it to vote. Also there are a good amount of Americans skeptical of medical institutions and dont go until they are on their death bed insured or not. Therefore healthcare debate isnt seen as life and death for a lot of Americans. Also the majority of Americans prefer private health plans with a public option pretty much. So ironically like the system we have now with Medicare and Medicaid but expanded. So we wont be getting universal healthcare anytime soon and the best yoj will get is an expansion of the ACA where more groups are included in medicaid.

Ok, so Americans don't want healthcare. What do they want/

>>2274413
>My rival Joe, who I respect a lot was the only one worthy enough to be on the stage with me unlike crooked Hillary
>He said he wanted to go behind the barn and settle our difference. Ol Joe was a tough guy let me tell you
>I visited Joe before he died and Joe said he was MAGA all along. Believe me folks Joe was a patriot
>Joe you will be missed and I am missing my dear friend right now
Trump X Joe stocks are only going to rise

>>2274232
>show me where they say they are against wage labor by any shape or perform under socialism and communism. go ahead.
Read the end of Value, Price, and Profit:
>Unions work well as centers of resistance against the encroachments of capital. They fail partially from an injudicious use of their power. They fail generally from limiting themselves to a guerilla war against the effects of the existing system, instead of simultaneously trying to change it, instead of using their organized forces as a lever for the final emancipation of the working class that is to say the ultimate abolition of the wages system
he does NOT say
>the ultimate abolition of the wages system under capitalism
he DOES say
>the ultimate abolition of the wages system
Capitalism = the wages system
there is no "wage labor" under socialism. Marx does sometimes talk about labor vouchers or labor time accounting as a hypothetical, but that is not the same as a money wage.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/value-price-profit.pdf

Note: This is completely separate from the discussion you were having with the other anon regarding "a bandit reich where nobody works." There's a difference between LABOR (necessary under communism) and WAGE labor (sublated under communism)

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Did history end with Obama? Like gay marriage was the final liberal jewel in the crown. Black president, gay marriage. That's pretty much it. I guess still left is wahmen president but it doesn't seem like anyone cares that much. Maybe that will truly be the final end game trophy and we can say we reached liberal utopia.

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>>2274491
to die in a holy war against china

>>2274496
AOC is our Gorbachev

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>>2274496
>history
>end

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>>2274489
>proles are dumb because they dont want to be on medicaid
wrong. a trillion more to medicare or medicaid is trillion more to capitalist insurance companies. medicare and medicaid is capitalist scam. proletarians get healthcare with full time employment so not caring about an obvious capitalist scam that enlarges the surplus population is the proletarian line.

>>2274402
>why do proles not believe in democracy
its almost like they exist outside proper bourgeois society

>>2274372
>radicalized ideologues
you say that like ideology is a good thing

>>2274513
>let me greentext a loaded rhetorical question and then answer it with a non sequitur

If you had an uprising in the imperial core with the same level of success as the french revolution would US elites just nuke it?

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>>2274513
Proles do believe in democracy, just not bourgeois democracy, but proletarian democracy.

Lenin:

>It is ridiculous to think that Mr. Kautsky could find in any country even one out of a thousand of well-informed workers or farm labourers who would have any doubts as to the reply. Instinctively, from hearing fragments of admissions of the truth in the bourgeois press, the workers of the whole world sympathise with the Soviet Republic precisely because they regard it as a proletarian democracy, a democracy for the poor, and not a democracy for the rich that every bourgeois democracy, even the best, actually is.


https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/prrk/democracy.htm

Lenin again:

>Proletarian democracy is a million times more democratic than any bourgeois democracy; Soviet power is a million times more democratic than the most democratic bourgeois republic.


Marxism-Leninism holds that proletarian democracy is not only real, it is also real democracy, and much more democratic than bourgeois democracy.

>>2274527
can't nuke anybody if your head's in a basket

>>2274527
No. Even the Confederacy wasn't nuked. it was just crushed and reformed into democrat party

>>2274546
>the Confederacy wasn't nuked
and why do you think that was?

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Venezuelas version of that nazi design ship is STILL INTACT.

>>2274547
i mean nuked in figurative sense. Sherman march was overblown. The bourgeoisie can't nuke itself literally in sense it couldn't nuke the Confederacy figuratively. The bourgeoisie had to turn the Confederacy into the democrat party

Given how much of /pol/ activity was IP based in Israel and how many of these big X agitprop accounts are clearly Indian guys pretending to be white dudes/Israeli I wonder how much those two countries are responsible for astroturfing rightoid popularity in the U.S.

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Lmao

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>>2274589
Appalling that our news is reporting on no shit plans to do a genocide like it’s a normal state of affairs (historically, these kind of formal plans are highly secret and only come out during the trials) but putting it under the “National Security” tag makes it worse somehow.

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>>2274595
To be completely fair to the boomers voting for both parties will make you poor so it doesn't really matter but Trump has deported less people than Obama still so I understand their anger.

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Whats sad is many of you idiots here believe America is some techno power house . It’s absolutely not it’s using tech from 50s still .

>>2274600
It's because all the good tech goes to the military you fool. No one is claiming America has good civilian infrastructure even random non-political people understand this when watching a comparison between China and America's infrastructure. But America's military and cyberwarfare and surveillance tech is absolutely the best in the world.

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Lefty pol nerds would have us believe America is some wonderful state that needs to be protected because most of lefty pol works on American bases in Eastern Europe and make good money of drunk soilders but America is circling the drain

literally the only reason the economy is not on its knees is because china buys up US debt
in a strange way, ron paul was right


>>2274589
they came out and denied it at least
>TRIPOLI, May 18 (Reuters) - The U.S. embassy in Libya denied on Sunday a report that the U.S. government was working on a plan to relocate Palestinians from the Gaza Strip to Libya.

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>>2274622
>the revolution must have the petit bourgeoisie of America(USER WAS SENT VACATION AT AN AMERICAN PETIT-BOOJ-SLAVE CAMP)

>>2274636
>prisoners are petit bourg

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>>2274622
this aligns with literally every group's line from the 1960s/70s but people here will still call it revisionist

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They're gonna go after Charlie XCX and radicalize the hyperpop fandom

>>2274645
Open da gates


I am post-ironic INGSOC now

>>2274413
the first.

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>>2274659
>HOW MUCH DID KAMALA HARRIS PAY BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN?

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HOW MUCH DID THE ERIK HOUDINI CAMPAIGN PAY THE BAND KITTIE?

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>>2274622
he's right tho
>>2274636
*wet fart noise*

>>2274603
>Lefty pol nerds would have us believe America is some wonderful state that needs to be protected
have you lurked here for even one day before drawing this conclusion?
>most of lefty pol works on American bases in Eastern Europe and make good money of drunk soilders but America is circling the drain
where did you hear this rumor?

>>2274591
the bourgeoisie say "we deserve the profit because we take on the risk." But they risk nothing but foreclosure of their business. The workers risk unemployment and homelessness. The bourgeoisie are subsidized with billions whe protectionism hurts them. Are the workers similarly subsidized? Certainly not in the farm industry, which uses undocumented workers and prison slaves.

>>2274622
he's not wrong, but he won't get any sympathy from the general brainwashed mass.

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The free market

France will build a new high-security prison in its overseas territory of French Guiana to house drug traffickers and radical Islamists, the country's justice minister announced during a visit to the territory.

Gérald Darmanin told Le Journal du Dimanche (JDD) newspaper that the prison would target organised crime "at all levels" of the drug supply chain.

The €400m (£337m) facility, which could open as early as 2028, will be built in an isolated location deep in the Amazon jungle in the northwestern region of Saint-Laurent-du-Maroni.

The plan was announced after a series of violent incidents linked to criminal gangs which saw prisons and staff targeted across France in recent months.

The prison will hold up to 500 people, with a separate wing designed to house the most dangerous criminals.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7v7n81emy3o

>>2274694
This is just Amerikkka kneecapping their scientific progress because all their research is done by Asians anyways so by poisoning their intellectual labor they're just going to fall further and further behind.

>>2274694
this was already known. it's why i switched to quinoa

>>2274717
Lobotomite

>>2274716
>asia is the world's manufacturer
>africa is the world's resource mine
>america is the world's prison
I love globalism!

>>2274673
>>2274674
Perhaps 2025 shall be the real "BRAT Summer"

Based
Revolutionary
Action
Time

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pls stop calling us nazis it hurts our feelings also we'll arrest you

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>>2274745
Insane how the state loves to flaunt its oppressive nature this hard while insisting otherwise.

>>2274749
Were the original Gestapo this fucking whiney?

To be among the masses and fail to conduct propaganda and agitation or speak at meetings or conduct investigations and inquiries among them, and instead to be indifferent to them and show no concern for their well-being, forgetting that one is a Communist and behaving as if one were an ordinary non-Communist. This is a seventh type.

>>2274755
This is why I'm always standing on street corners hurling revolutionary zines at passersby. Clonking them in the head gets you extra revolution points

>>2274491
>Ok, so Americans don't want healthcare. What do they want?
Really want? In a politically organized way? Nothing.

Or rather, whatever the TV tells them they want at any given point in time. Provided that they perceive that want to be in some sort of conflict they feel involved in. I guess you could boil what they want to conflict. They crave the culture war. But it's a middling substitute for the anger that's been building up for a long time, to be expressed through the culture war alone. And that's been slowly simmering down to the apocalyptic mindset of fascism.

Leftists think they can turn this around into left radicalism, but forget that the liberals can always afford concessions and immediately invalidate any promises of the left aspirants. Compared to backing the ruling class.

It's a matter of time before they do another 9/11 to let these sentiments air and have a proper enemy towards whom everything is permitted. And a red scare, but just to keep up appearances and framing. Kind of how they go about cultural marxism and communist billionaires and all the "cold war 1" lingo they have brought back.

>>2274756
Leftypol the only communist website in which people are so addicted to not doing anything that they willingly become the 7th type of liberal and mock Mao, whose revolution succeeded and whose country will soon topple the US, unlike the soviets.

>>2274744
Summer is going to be when we get major action and demand for something else but not yet revolt.
Get organized so you can be what the masses learn they can lean on.
Truth enters the body through sword and stomach more than the ears.

>>2274659
Trump seems like he's sick that the only type of people he can attract is grugs.

>>2274749
It's the decade of the smol beans and the sore winners, much like Israel, burgerland is a fascist state but just as it flaunts its oppressive apparatus, it also wants to be portrayed as a victim. Nobody likes a winner.

>>2274753
Absolutely no, it's pretty unique to this era. The whole point of the Gestapo was to be intimidating

>>2274760
Oh okay turning off silly little guy mode then. In all seriousness if leftypol is any indication a big problem is that leftists in the west have taken "treatlerite" discourse and overcorrected themselves to the point the believe Americans dont "deserve" socialism. Hence all this talk about JDPON and the like. Even discounting the fact that the "treats" only exist to cover up the fact that life in America is a clownish hellscape for most people that we've just conditioned ourselves into thinking is normal, the "treats" themselves are running out which is why the bourgeoisie are in an absolute tizzy over this trade war business. The fact of the matter is that most people are motivated by preserving the wellbeing of themselves and those around them, and if the government fails to do that and fails to provide enough distractions to mitigate it, they will become desperate and side with the folks who are going to guarantee them food, shelter, safety, and fulfilling labor. And those folks have to be us.
>>2274767
It's definitely in the cards. The radical left has taken the lessons of Occupy and the George Floyd Uprising to heart, learning that the most effective method of combatting the state in the short term is by causing them to waste their resources, and you do that by strategically occupying buildings, precincts, streets, bridges, any number of shit that will disrupt commerce. The campus protests of last year have also helped people figure out what works and what doesn't. The other big lesson they've taken to heart is DONT COLLABORATE WITH LIBERALS. The sheepdogs and wreckers who watered down previous outbreaks of working class anger are not to be tolerated.

Point is, I feel cautiously optimistic. If that military parade ends up being the catalyst then we've got less than a month to prepare, so if you're part of any sort of revolutionary left organization now's a good time to start prepping for insurrection if you haven't already. Whether you're a member of the DSA, CPUSA, FRSO, some union in a metropolitan area, or even a coven of anarchist witches, get yourselves ready for happenings. The odds may be long, but revolutions have succeeded before and they will succeed again.

>>2274772
Between that and the constant bitching from Trump and Musk about how "mean" people are to them, they're kinda unintentionally sabotaging themselves by making it clear that any act of defiance gets under their skin. I know Star Wars references are cliche, but imagine if like Emperor Palpatine regularly took to the senate floor and was like "Mon Mothma, nasty woman! She's very unfair to me! We're winning so much, we've done the most winning ever, she needs to stop harassing our hard working Stormtroopers!" Bro wouldn't have even lasted a year. It really is quite amazing how for all their maliciousness the bourgeoisie are setting themselves up on the fast track for failure

>>2274788
The thing is that zoomer AND millennial men relate to that sort of perpetual bitchiness. They don't even have the tough upper lip of the more tory like republicans of the past. It's kind of getting grating and I'm glad more people are waking up to it. Unfortunately so many young men are permachudded because they can always just go back to their eco chambers to get an ego boost from asmongold who tells them they are special boys

>>2274788
the would-be fascist regimes of today are haunted by the spectre of the third reich. no one actually wants to be hitler. i suppose this is why the second time is always a farce

>>2274807
Haven't they already solved that contradiction by declaring Hitler a degenerate homosexual leftist? Now they can do fascism with impunity because they've fully divorced it from "beta soyboy nazis", basically just the Infrared party line but on a grander scale.

>>2274792
If nothing else, the revolution will come simply because the ruling class is so insufferable and annoying that existing in their presence is a serious mental health hazard

>>2274782
> In all seriousness if leftypol is any indication a big problem is that leftists in the west have taken "treatlerite" discourse and overcorrected themselves to the point the believe Americans dont "deserve" socialism.
americans deserve socialism as much as anyone else but americans get their treats from imperialism abroad and americans intuitively understand the relationship between war abroad and treats, which is why they're also crazy jingoistt

>>2274816 (me)
this is not to say that you should be doing nothing, you should be doing any amount of community building when the social fabric is minutes from being torn to pieces, just that how the revolution would brew within the US would be radically different from a third world nation where the relationship with imperialism is on the other end

>>2274444
>>2274494
thanks for doing the quote mining part of debunking that, hope you don't get paper lung

>>2274816
>americans intuitively understand the relationship between war abroad and treats, which is why they're also crazy jingoistt
can you actually prove this? this sounds like assuming everyone else knows as much as you do.

>>2274838
brother even children on tiktok are making shitty memes about how US soldiers are stationed wherever there is oil

>>2274812
That is probably why joe rogan's podcast ratings have cratered lately.

>>2274694
> The USA Rice Federation, which represents American growers, told CNN via email that rice grown in the United States contains the lowest levels of inorganic arsenic in the world.

>“While we do not agree that there is a public health safety issue as a result of trace amounts of arsenic in rice, we will continue to work with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to ensure the U.S. rice supply meets any threshold established,” said Michael Klein, vice president of communications and strategic development at USA Rice.

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>Israelis called to activism: “‘We urge every citizen of Israel to come out and stop these convoys [of food, medicine, etc]. We cannot remain on the sidelines any longer’…The group concluded its statement with a call to action, urging Israelis to physically block the aid trucks.”

https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-854514

>>2274838
>>2274848 (me)
also trump constantly frames geopolitics as transactional where the winner is whoever manages to get more from the other side.

>>2274858
There has never been such a sick, depraved, and hideous people in history.

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>>2274858
Israelis try not to be utterly depraved challenge
Difficulty level: IMPOSSIBLE

>>2274861
>>2274858
And our administration is not only actively supporting this but going out of their way to label anyone who takes issue as a terrorist and shuttle them off to foreign concentration camps. Yet another reason why we must prepare for revolution sooner rather than later, for the sake of mankind itself. These ghouls only respect force, they will only stop their genocides and atrocities when we make them stop. If we dont, whatever survivors remain in future generations will never forgive us for our inaction.

We can do this folks. We have the means to stop this madness, and hopefully in the coming weeks some posters on this very site will take to the streets to fight for a better tomorrow

>>2274858
lol wtf. excited to see how reddit spins this

>>2274865
They're refusing to sit on the sidelines of a genocide, and that's a good thing

>>2274863
Them and Balts really test my ability to reject national prejudice.

>>2274865
There's plenty of reddit subs that are critical of Israel but r/worldnews is a hasbara hellhole. Shameless propaganda and it's always promoted in r/all.

>>2274622
this guy actually has a point lol

>>2274622
Horrible tiktok voice.
Can’t listen

>>2274636
OKAY real fucking talk we need to have a conversation about all the retards on this website using "petit bourgeoisie" incorrectly

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>>2274889
free mah boy

>>2274891
The video twink literally says right after >but that will never be fundamentally revolutionary
He is saying "we must have" sarcastically.
Anon has poor comprehension skills, don't free him.

>>2274884
It just goes to show you how artificial chuddism is. They are like actual orcs from the tolkein era. Including their artificial nature.

>>2274891
>>2274898
Nta but I think typically the people who own prisons and directly profit off their slavery are haute bourgeois not the petite.

>>2274910
It does not matter what you think

>>2274913
OK, rude, but I’m pretty sure I’m right.

>>2274622
That cracker will be the first to flee to Canada if prisons are emptied

>>2274914
Pretty sure is not enough
You have to be dead sure

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>>2274913
>>2274914
>>2274916
Guys stop being mean pls, we're all friends in revolution. When day is dark rember happy day

>>2274716
Good
Fuck drug traffickers and fuck islamists
Death to the lumpen

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Tick tock

>>2274918
I just wanted to be mean for once
I got it out of the system
I can be nice again now

>>2274918
Wow, they just put up some overly wordy signs up at the Baseball stadium! How exciting. I can't wait to sacrifice everything for this future!

>>2274922
Shut the fuckk up you antisocial burger
You are alone and will remain alone

>>2274924
What is antisocial about saying your LARP artwork is lame and uninspiring?

>>2274918
Liberal cosmetic change

>>2274920
I'm only partially joking when I say that the costco hotdog increasing in price will be one of the main catalysts for revolution

>>2274922
>>2274928
Calm down buddy, it's just some Kaiserreich fanart depicting the American syndicalists doing their best to preserve a sense of normalcy in controlled territory, it's neither meant as a serious portrayal of an "end goal" nor was posting it any kind of statement other than "hey this looks nice".

>>2274934
>Calm down buddy,
I am calm, I just said the picture is lame. You're the only one getting emotionally distraught and trying to personalize a simple comment on a picture.

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>>2274716
The red scare is coming.

It's not lumpen or religious radicals, for whom they are building up the case against the internal enemy.

>>2274928
you do not matter
Your mother hates you

>>2274938
You know you're talking to two different anons, right? Anyways I'm sorry you feel that way, I personally appreciate its simplicity and the quaint vibe it has

https://www.joemygod.com/2025/05/kid-rock-trump-has-slit-the-throat-of-wokeness/

I for one cannot wait for attendance at Kid Rock concerts to become a mandatory patriotic duty

>>2274985
if I wrote shit like this I'd actually make money

>>2274944
Too simple
Too quaint

>>2274944
you know what socialist realism needs more of? kinkade and rockwell

>>2274942
>You know you're talking to two different anons, right? Anyways I'm sorry you feel that way, I personally appreciate its simplicity and the quaint vibe it has
How was that relevant to my response.

>>2274942
>you do not matter
>Your mother hates you
You know you're only projecting and telling on yourself buddy.

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>>2275048
It's funny they think mcdonalds will have jobs for them. AI is coming for those too. They don't really understand how much AI companies loathe them and all human beings. They hate the human being totally and want to destroy it on a symbolic level. Then they will consume you for atoms.

The attitude of this doctor is revealing because they implicitly understand that AI is not meant to destroy their lives. It aims to be better at medicine not to help people, but to ruin them, destroy their value, and make them crippled, desperate, demoralized and powerless. This will affect everyone, but when people say obviously say things like this, I know many of the vulgar marxists will cheer. These are the "PMC" and the petite bourgeois after all. lol.

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>Biden got cancer to distract from some bad interview from two years ago
Truth nuke?

>>2275078
>It's funny they think mcdonalds will have jobs for them. AI is coming for those too. They don't really understand how much AI companies loathe them and all human beings. They hate the human being totally and want to destroy it on a symbolic level. Then they will consume you for atoms.
This.
The gameplan is fully automate all labor, then genocide 9 billion people.
Full automated luxury space communism will exist for the remaining 300 million bourgeoisie class who will rule over the lobotomized AI, because rest assured, preventing AI singularity is the only thing slowing this.


>>2274934
>I'm only partially joking when I say that the costco hotdog increasing in price will be one of the main catalysts for revolution
There's a park I go to with a dude that goes to Costco every week to buy a dozen hotdogs and sodas to hand out to the homeless people. They fuck with it by locking it behind a membership but poor people with access to the Costco hotdog often use it as their only meal.

>>2275082
you now remember the MASSIVE ufo craze when the luigi thing happened and the nothingburger than came out of it

>>2275092
>the Netanyahu Government
Which country is this?

>>2275104
There was also a UFO "craze" in December 2020 after Trump won again but before he was inaugurated, that it does make me suspect these glowies (and these UFO guys are glowies) pulling out new crop circle photos so. they. don't. think. about. doing anything involving politics and the inauguration because this needs to go smoothly, capiche?

honkoid status?

>>2275104
There are a great many reasons to hate the far right, but one that I hold close and personal to myself is sullying the good name of UFO conspiracies. It used to be back in the days that stuff about Atlantis and the Greys and Pledeans were fun and wacky and full of childlike whimsy, now it's all interwoven with "and this alien race created the Jews as their physical puppets to fight rightful Atlantean hegemony over the galaxy" and which aliens helped Hitler and whatnot. I used to be really big into UFOs and cryptids and other X-Files type crap and it pisses me off that MAGA schizos and their ilk have hijacked it into a dark carnival of the soul

>>2275112
Preparing to revolt

>>2275110
> in December 2020 after Trump won again
what are you referring to here

>>2275048
The AI is going to deliberately misdiagnose political targets

>>2275048
No sympathy for western doKKKtors

>>2275119
The revolution will need medics.

>>2275117
Oh never mind. That was after Biden won, duh. In December 2024 there was a UFO craze after Trump won again.

>>2275121
Sure, doesn't stop making them petit-bourgeois to whom communism is not a necessity at best and a threat to their lifestyle at worst.

> The patronizing and errant lecturing of our so-called intellectuals seems to me a far greater impediment. We are still in need of technicians, agronomists, engineers, chemists, architects, etc., it is true, but if the worst comes to the worst we can always buy them just as well as the capitalists buy them, and if a severe example is made of a few of the traders among them — for traders there are sure to be — they will find it to their own advantage to deal fairly with us. But apart from the specialists, among whom I also include schoolteachers, we can get along perfectly well without the other “intellectuals.” The present influx of literati and students into the party, for example, may be quite damaging if these gentlemen are not properly kept in check.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/letters/90_08_21.htm

>>2274741
there's no going back

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

>[ Reactionary Socialists: ]

The first category consists of adherents of a feudal and patriarchal society which has already been destroyed, and is still daily being destroyed, by big industry and world trade and their creation, bourgeois society. This category concludes, from the evils of existing society, that feudal and patriarchal society must be restored because it was free of such evils. In one way or another, all their proposals are directed to this end.
>This category of reactionary socialists, for all their seeming partisanship and their scalding tears for the misery of the proletariat, is nevertheless energetically opposed by the communists for the following reasons:

>(i) It strives for something which is entirely impossible.


>(ii) It seeks to establish the rule of the aristocracy, the guildmasters, the small producers, and their retinue of absolute or feudal monarchs, officials, soldiers, and priests – a society which was, to be sure, free of the evils of present-day society but which brought it at least as many evils without even offering to the oppressed workers the prospect of liberation through a communist revolution.


>(iii) As soon as the proletariat becomes revolutionary and communist, these reactionary socialists show their true colors by immediately making common cause with the bourgeoisie against the proletarians.

>>2275124
At the very least they need to be used to train a new generation of doctors that aren't bloodsuckers under the thumb of the pharma and insurance industries. We can't declare them enemies of the proletariat just yet.

>>2275121
I guess my sarcasm wasn't as clear as i meant.

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>>2274861
Never?

>>2274861
Grandpa: England
Dad: America
Son: Israel

As above, so below

>>2275092
>Canada, France and the UK condemned netanyahu now in a statement

wow just like WW2 England, France, Canada, US, and UK spend YEARS directly supporting a genocidal regime, only to turn on it and go "actually we were the good guys all along"

>>2274898
He's not being sarcastic. He says we need to get the prisoners on our side because if we don't all we have is the petit bourgeoisie, implying he's some kind of third worldist who thinks that the general populace of the US are "petit bourgeois"

The festival was 3km from West bank border and 4km from an IDF base. Due to the age group there at least 80-90% of attendees were in the IDF or formerly in it due to mandatory service as well

Nothing wrong happened that day.
They were partying right next to people who live in abject poverty

>>2275147
Israel killed almost all of them. Hamas was just in the area.

>>2275145
The US has historically had an unusually large petty bourgeois class. But now they are being decimated and proletarianized. And when that happens they bring with them their reactioanry petty bourgeois consciousness even once they are proletarian. Similarly there is downward mobility of the old proletariat into the prison/homeless/criminal population. A lot of the American proletariat are also immigrants.

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>>2274655
>>2274622
>this aligns with literally every group's line from the 1960s/70s but people here will still call it revisionist
They were already revisionist. Look what happened to those clowns. Shoulda done the basic reading:

>The lumpenproletariat is passive decaying matter of the lowest layers of the old society, is here and there thrust into the [progressive] movement by a proletarian revolution; [however,] in accordance with its whole way of life, it is more likely to sell out to reactionary intrigues.


Also check out the documentary "News from a Personal War" that was included with the City of God DVD where they talk about how when the leftists were getting locked up in prison with the gangs in the 70s, they started trying to organize and radicalize them, and look how that worked out. It's always bleeding heart liberals with no experience with "that lifestyle" that always fantasize about how they're going to redpill the criminals, and they'll suddenly stop killing each other and will fight the revolution for the limp-wristed liberal leader.

>>2275147
>who live in abject poverty
What an understatement. More like. They live in a concentration camp.

>>2275156
The petit bourgeoisie tends to be reactionary rather than revolutionary. It seems ill advised to want to build a socialist movement with them comprising the majority of it, even if they are being led by a vanguard of former prisoners. I don't think that guy really thought through his analysis very much (which he basically admits at the end of the clip) and is kind of throwing words around. He is 100% right that prison breaks should be part of general strikes and supported by our programs generally, but after that part it kind of seems like baby leftist word salad.

>>2275147
Every ED"M" show should be strafed by helicopter gunships.

>>2275157
>Also check out the documentary "News from a Personal War" that was included with the City of God DVD where they talk about how when the leftists were getting locked up in prison with the gangs in the 70s, they started trying to organize and radicalize them, and look how that worked out.

>>2275157
That might have been true back then but the prison system has changed a lot since and the population has ballooned as the war on drugs and similar policies have stuffed prison cells with essentially innocent people.

>>2275165
>He is 100% right that prison breaks should be part of general strikes and supported by our programs generally, but after that part it kind of seems like baby leftist word salad.
Why? What does a prison break have to do with a strike? You don't think there is anyone who should be in prison either?
>>2275168
>That might have been true back then but the prison system has changed a lot since and the population has ballooned as the war on drugs and similar policies have stuffed prison cells with essentially innocent people.
But a lot of them are not "essentially innocent." I'm not big on punishment, I'm bigger on reform, but just trying to break everyone out of jail is:
>on the face of it stupid and never going to happen
>if it was possible would only go horribly wrong and backfire.
You guys seem to think it'll be like Half Life 2. After you prisonbreak all the prisoners, you just walk up to them and press E to add them to your squad. No there is no reason for them to be interested in joining you on your quest.

>>2275173
Why start with prisoners anyways? Why not start with the homeless and drug addicts? You will find a lot of prison vets there to get your beak wet with those types.

>>2275174
Also veterans. I know people here hate them but they're being denied their treats and that's a good opportunity for radicalization

>>2275173
>Why? What does a prison break have to do with a strike?
Prison labor, dummy.
>You don't think there is anyone who should be in prison either?
Not even remotely the point.

>on the face of it stupid and never going to happen

Prison breaks have happened and do happen. Cope.
>if it was possible would only go horribly wrong and backfire.
Your reactionary side is showing.
>After you prisonbreak all the prisoners, you just walk up to them and press E to add them to your squad. No there is no reason for them to be interested in joining you on your quest.
We don't need them in the "squad" we just need them not doing prison labor.


>>2275124
DOesn't this make Lenin a revisionist

>>2275183
Lenin revised Marx and that's a good thing. Marx revised Marx and that's a good thing. You can't have a materialist *science* of history without revising it, that's central to what a science is.

>>2275083
The Luddites were right. Fuck this shit.

>>2275186
Not how revisionism works

>>2275179
>We don't need them in the "squad" we just need them not doing prison labor.
Stop pretending that this idea has any motivation other than LARP.

>US prison workers produce $11bn worth of goods and services a year for pittance

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/15/us-prison-workers-low-wages-exploited
>US GDP in 2022: 26,006 billion
<0.00042297931 % of GDP

>Nearly two-thirds of all prisoners in the US, which imprisons more of its population than any other country in the world, have jobs in state and federal prisons. That figure amounts to roughly 800,000 people, researchers estimated in the report, which is based on extensive public records requests, questionnaires and interviews with incarcerated workers.

>Total civilian labor force 167,484,000
>0.00477657567 % of labor force

This will surely disrupt everything!


>>2275222
Is this why France and the other 2 put out that statement against Netanyahu?


>>2275193
The original ones were. Not the new pseudo Luddite primitivists.

The War on Coomers continues😔

>>2275237
This is actually a good thing.

>>2275230
I'm a proud Marxist-Houthist

>>2275237
This is the first time I've ever heard Melania speak. The first lady can't even speak english???

I kind of wonder, have these tradcaths and neo-christian types ever deconverted from that shit?

>>2275237
isn't revenge porn already illegal?

>>2275270
I'm guessing the law is something different and he is trying to package it in a way that makes his followers gobble it up

Apparently there wasn't a standalone federal law criminalizing it. (There were two nay votes in the House, Burlison and Massie.)

why is trumps approval rating rising.

>>2275283
It goes up and down
His approval rating on inflation is abysmal though, which is what got biden in the end.

>>2275222
Here Mr.Houdini you can have this one as a freebie.

>>2275222
>Trump is more critical of the Zionist dictatorship than Biden
Absolutely wild.

>>2275222
I will never let liberals live this shit down if it actually happens

>>2275256
Sure, if you trust the state and don’t see all the outcomes where this can go horribly wrong.

>>2275222
another JDPON Don banger

bing bop boom boom boom bop bam

>>2275324
but i'm not a rapper


Honestly the only reason I'm not seriously looking for a new job is because I feel obligated to try to unionize this one, but truthfully I'm just getting fed up with it here.

>>2275347
There's always arson

>>2275340
Hes even got the incel rectangle glasses

>>2275347
you could always lie for workers comp

>>2275340
I am beginning ot think that soyjaks are actually leftist in nature. This is why chuds are trying to fuck up it's vibesphere

>>2275359
wojak was originally leftist in nature, mostly complaining about the consumerist nature of the world. but it was tied to doomer/nihilist leftism like anarchism. soyjak was wojak hijacked into a rightoid and removing all the political commentary with racism.

>>2275361
ok now make a 5 hour video essay about it

>>2274655
Probably because 50 years have passed and most of us aren't boomers. For a brief period of time, talking about white people as generally labor aristocracy and petty-bourgeois might have been justified.

>>2275361
Yeah, that being said I think that even soyjaks are kind of like what I call tolkein orc chuds. They are corrupted elves and men who got corrupted by promises of escaping the world. Where as your average normiecon is just a grug.

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>>2275363
Deepseek-R1 write me a 5,000 word script for why wojak is better than soyjak

>>2275366
>Where as your average normiecon is just a grug.
There is a jak for true normies.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPC_(meme)

>>2275354
I'm not planning on going to jail.
>>2275357
I don't think so, it's a call center job.

>>2275379
>I'm not planning on going to jail.
Why would you go to jail?

>>2275365
this wasn't even line of 99% of groups in the 60s/70s lmao, read a book that's not Settlers by J. Fedkai

>>2275283
because msm has been apocalypsing over tariffs for the past months and there has yet to be a big prize increase making normies think it was all made up to smear trump and to top it all off china "folded" and is now negotiating which validates trump's tactics

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The Federal Bureau of Hurt Feefees

>>2275489
It’ll be in the negatives soon enough

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>>2275340
eternal

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An entire American community cannot even stop a birds rampage and you think there is a CHANCE they can start a revolution? Come on

https://apnews.com/article/woodpecker-rockport-massachusetts-car-mirrors-afd3f553060a32baac2172f60856259a

>>2275199
>revisionism is when I don't like the revision
>non revisionism is when I like the revision

>>2275124
>medics
>petty bourgeois
man the feds really found the way to ruin this place. Just constantly turn the conversation to

<most people in the west aren't literal factory workers producing commodities directly

<most people are just service workers
<service workers are petty bourgeois
<therefore most people don't want communism
<therefore it's either hopeless or you need to make everyone factory workers again (somehow)

>>2275222
Republicans once again taking the initiative even if it's a false one it still is optically good initiative. Of course I think the Democrats like most of us know here actually don't want to win because they know people will demand more of them than basically not being Republican.

So what do y'all think something will next happen politically in this country? When should I set my reminder to check back in?

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>>2275512
>let's take all the palestinians and forcibly relocate them to another country america ruined
great…

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>>2275048
They still need doctors to sign the certificates and burn them on a stake when shit goes wrong. Unless big hospital wants to eat the cost of the lawsuit.

>>2275527
when the first post-DOGE winter comes and the entire power grid fails in some states

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>>2275237
sorry ICE, you aren't allowed to internally circulate images like this anymore on your facebook group

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>>2275552
>when the first post-DOGE winter comes and the entire power grid fails in some states
Doesn't this, already, happen regularly in Texas in the summer?

>>2275571
i can fix her

>>2275571
Eh. My father is a Samantha Coldwar although he is more the anti-russian type to the point I'd call it racist.

I love that AOC is back in the limelight just because of the very interesting ways the right reacts to her.

>>2275222
As much as I wish this was true, it is extremely obvious to any semi-intelligent person that the “Anonymous source” is full of shit, and this reminds me of those countless articles last year saying that Biden was on the verge of threatening to cut off weapons to the Zionist State if they refused to agree to a Ceasefire, yet it never happened, despite the fact that a majority of Democratic voters are Anti-War/Anti-Zionist, and the Democrats only pathway to victory ran through winning Anti-Zionist Arabs in Dearborn, Michigan, along with getting high turnout from Anti-War/Anti-Zionist Young Progressives and Blacks/New Afrikans in all 7 Swing States (though we all know that the Democratic Party is a Controlled Opposition Party, who exist soley to keep the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the U$ Prison House of Nations corralled, controlled, and neutered, by trying their best to lose elections, and when they do occasionally/unintentionally win, accomplish nothing so they can lose again as soon as possible, thus allowing the ruling/dominant Fascist Republican Party to push the country as far right as possible, ie. “The Ratchet effect”), so considering that the Republican voter base are Petit Bourgeois/Labor Aristocrat White Evangelical Christian Zionists and their donor base are Zionist Jewish Haute Bourgeois Wall Street/Silicon Valley Billionaires, and Donald Trump is an extreme Zionist (and possibly a Crypto-Jew himself, who the Orthdox Jews believe is literally the Jewish Messiah according to the Hebrew Gematria which says his name equals 424, the magic number which means “the messiah son of David”), it is literally impossible for Trump to cut weapons shipments to the Zionist State, and anyone who tells you otherwise is a Crypto-MAGAtard trying to brainwash you to join the Qult, 😂🤣🤢🤮!

>>2275512
Sadly, this is the inevitable tragic fate of Palestine, as long as the Global Capitalist-Imperialist System exists, total Zionist Annexation/Genocide/Ethnic Cleansing of both Gaza and the West Bank, followed by the bulldozing of the Al-Asqa Mosque and the rebuilding of “Solomons Temple” where Trump will proclaim himself the Jewish Messiah, while the entire Arab/Muslim world will sit on their ass and do nothing, with the GCC countries cheering it on for business deals with Zionist Billionaires, while Iran (assuming they don’t get Bombed/Invaded/Regime changed by the U$), will make a bunch of empty threats and do nothing because we all know that they are Controlled Opposition that is secretly in bed with the U$/Zionist State (ie. Iran-Contra sending F-14 parts from Tel Aviv to Tehran, and Irans complicity in the Illegal/Genocidal/Imperialist U$ Invasion of Iraq, should tell any true Anti-Imperialist/Anti-Zionist that they are a bunch of frauds who probably sold out their own proxies/allies to the Zionist State, as some allege happened to both Nasralah and Assad, with U$/Zionist/Russian/Turkish involvement as well), with the fact being that Palestine (and the entire Arab Nation more broadly) was doomed once the USSR collapsed and the Baathist/Arab Nationalist governments were overthrown one by one (Nasser was poisoned in 1970, Saddam was overthrown after the Illegal/Genocidal/Imperialist U$ Invasion of Iraq in 2003 which murdered 1 million Iraqi civilians and brutally executed in 2006 after a show trial, Qaddafi was overthrown after a Civil War that saw the U$ and their Eurotrash puppets Bomb Libya and funnel weapons to Sunni Islamists, killing tens of thousands of civilians, and brutally murdering/sodomizing Qaddafi himself in the street, while Assad was finally overthrown in December of last year after the U$/Russia/Iran/Turkey/Zionist State collaborated to have the Sunni Islamist rebels rampage through Syria with essential zero armed resistance from the Syrian Army, while Assad himself was murdered when his plane was blown out of the sky by a U$/Zionist/Turkish/Russian SAM, though Russia claims he is “Alive and Well” in Moscow with Zero evidence, despite the fact that it is known that a plane matching the description of his presidential plane was shot down, and all of his relatives in Syria were brutally murdered in revenge killings by the rebels), with Saddam Hussein being the last Arab leader who truly cared about uniting the Arab Nation in one country that could have liberated Palestine (along with Arabistan and Hatay as well), and this is why his country was Invaded by the U$ (murdering 1 million Iraqis, the vast majority of which were civilians) and he was murdered after a show trial, 😂🤣🤢🤮🙁😢🇵🇸! In conclusion, the only hope for Palestine, the entire Arab Nation, and the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World, is that the inevitable World War III between the U$ and PRC will escalate into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR (The SSRs and SFSRs of the Global USSR are shown in the map I posted, and I plan on posting an improved version of this Map by the end of this month, which will finally divide Sub-Saharan Africa into an appropriate number of SSRs based on its Ethno-Linguistic demographics, which I have been thoroughly researching over the last couple months) that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2275584
I really don't think she has a shot at president. Her way of speaking sounds so stupid. She sounds like a perpetual little girl.

>>2274792
>genpol analysis
so tiresome

>>2275589
Dammit, please forgive me Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Gonzalo, I forgot my Naxalite flag, 😂🤣✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2274622
>freeing prisoners
is this guy fucking retarded

>>2274622
>the real proletariat is composed of killers, rapists and antisocial violent fearless psychopaths
is this guy fucking retarded and drunk in ideology?

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>>2275652
>>2275649
>if the reactionary government imprisoned them, they MUST be evil!!!!

>>2275679
they (99%) literally are. stop drinking the kool-aid

>>2275679
The bolsheviks were imprisoned for political reasons not because they were selling drugs to the proletariat.

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>>2275685
>99%
a number pulled from your ass
>kool aid
a thought terminating cliche

1 prison guards are worse
2 cops are worse
3 the bourgeoisie are worse
4 you are a boot licker
5 even if you really buy into "prisoners are all scum" bullshit you should be against these huge slave complexes that drive down prole wages by creating a huge source of free labor for piglets
>>2275687
>nobody in america has ever been imprisoned for political reasons
lol

>>2275685
>>2275687
ALSO in addition to what i said here >>2275688 prisons have NO REHABILITATIVE VALUE, they literally just make people worse. prison destroys the mental health, the physical health, the longevity, the family of the prisoner, everything. and you think these porkies aren't taking kickbacks to throw more kids in jail

>muh selling drugs to proles

the proles who bought the drugs are thrown in there too. Sometimes cops just plant evidence on people they don't like. people who opposed the dakota access pipeline and fought the cops, some of them were thrown in prison for a decade or more.

yeah the cop & prison apologism + general crypto-reactionary sentiment has gotten bad enough on here im gonna check out for a while

>>2275707
you need to stay here in part to combat it

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>>2275688
>1 prison guards are worse
>2 cops are worse
>3 the bourgeoisie are worse
hahaHHAHAAAA stfu kool-aider ur retarded
>5 even if you really buy into "prisoners are all scum" bullshit you should be against these huge slave complexes that drive down prole wages by creating a huge source of free labor for piglets
whatever china and dprk are doing just copy paste it worldwide, simple
>4 you are a boot licker
you bootlick criminals who wouldn't care if they robbed someone else's or your boots or killed/stabbed you in the process or not. your open mindedness and faith in people is just actually simpleminded and lack experience, some people are just bloodthirsty psychopaths, you're lucky you never had to survive an encounter with one.

>>2275591
>She sounds like a perpetual little girl.
she's got the lolbertarian vote on lock then

>>2275697
I don't give a fuck, as long as I am safe from those things is what matters, retard
>prisons have NO REHABILITATIVE VALUE
death penalty, even china has it

>>2275688
>a number pulled from your ass
your examples were literally lenin and stalin, retard

>>2275697
>prisons have NO REHABILITATIVE VALUE
they chose this path and are horrible people because they want to and are pure evil, there is no rehabilitating them.

>>2275733
so spooky bro

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>>2275719
>hahaHHAHAAAA stfu kool-aider ur retarded
not a counter argument. prison guards arew worse. cops are worse. the bourgeoisie are worse. you didn't respond to that with anything substantive because you didn't have anything substantive to say.
>whatever china and dprk are doing just copy paste it worldwide, simple
America isn't even nominally socialist and America has a MUCH HIGHER prison population per capita than China or DPRK. So it's not a lack of punitive policies. In fact there's a never ending cycle in the US where the reactionary media screeches about violent crime rates, whether or not they are substantively higher than usual, raise police budgets, raise prison budgets, create more programs to trickle down surplus military gear into the hands of the pigs, bring in the fucking IDF to train pigs… and somehow despite having more resources at their disposal than any other country… they just aren't able to get rid of the crime problem? Why is that? Because it's deliberately manufactured to feed people into the prison slavery system. They are not remotely interested in fixing the root causes of crime: poverty, lack of education, discrimination, addiction, mental illness. Tackling systemic problems requires a systemic solution. They don't want a systemic solution. They want to play whack-a-mole with an increasingly criminalized population. It's not even about crime. The bourgeoisie commit crimes on their private estates all the time. The way criminalization works is that if you have property to hide behind, you can do crimes, and if you don't, you can't. If a rich man does coke off a hooker's ass in the privacy of his mansion, cops are unlikely to show up, but if a homeless man smokes a joint at the corner of a busy intersection, a cop can easily spot him and pick him up for that. And unlike the rich man he has nothing to bribe them with. A suburban kid can pirate movies as long as he has a VPN and won't ever see the inside the jail cell but if a homeless man steals food he's probably going to jail. The way crime gets treated is way different if you have property vs. if you don't.
>you bootlick criminals who wouldn't care if they robbed someone else's or your boots or killed/stabbed you in the process or not.
you're either completely confused or playing dumb.
>your open mindedness and faith in people is just actually simpleminded and lack experience, some people are just bloodthirsty psychopaths, you're lucky you never had to survive an encounter with one.
I survive an encounter to one every time I talk to a cop or a capitalist

>>2275737
I won the internet argument, now I will sleep before my sleep schedule fucks itself automatically again

>>2275724
did you even watch the video in that post? cops just plant evidence on kids and then judges take bribes to throw them in jail. Does China do this? Would we be more like China if we took kids framed for crimes and executed them? No. Because we aren't even a nominally socialist country.
>>2275733
prisons create recidivism and gang membership, and prison guards are themselves gangsters pushing white boys into the aryan brother hood and peckerwoods because both the guards and the white prisoners are in those gangs.

>>2275740
you refusing to be educated does not constitute winning an argument. you failed at every level to engage with anything being said to you and it is transparent to eveyrone except you. you are a time wasting reactionary

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>>2275740
you only succeeded in looking like an idiot while defending a system that does pic related

>>2275724
You sound like a bitch

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>>2275679
inb4
>idpol

>>2275761
good excerpt but the bootlicker went to bed

>>2275770
>mongrels
what does this mean in your opinion


>>2275783
you should be banned for this post faggot ass mf

>>2275779
I see…

>>2275783
>George Jackson
<Activist, Marxist, author, member of the Black Panther Party, and co-founder of the Black Guerrilla Family
contemplate suicide

>I don't see the point in one of the most organised American ML movements post-40's

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>>2275810
Comrade Jackson died for the revolutionary cause while you shit post.

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>>2275810
>I dont see the point in idolising Black Panthers who didn't do shit
they did more than you

>anon shows up
>unironic defender of the US prison system
>backpedals into shitting on the black panthers

>>2275837
except from, you know, feeding the starving and beating undercover agents in court.

you go do something then you stupid edgelord

>>2275893
Hope someone teeps your jaw

>>2275906
It’ll happen eventually :^)

>>2275591
Yeah + Big prey eyes that look always wet. She is too feminine and frail to be president or even a serious political leader. You need a more masculine and stoic woman for this.

>>2275687
>yfw maoists had control over the Opium trade at the height of the revolution

>>2275941
Yeah they controlled it by shooting all the distributors, rehabbing the addicts, and burning any stockpiles they found. Today China has a 0.00000001% drug addiction rate. Harsh punishment works and a war on drugs led by peasants and proles can win. cry harder.

>>2275943
>he doesn't know they sold the opium to fund the revolution only moving towards their current policies after it

>>2275944
Source: DUDE TRUST ME (references a Western source written by an Ango who can't even read or speak Chinese)

>>2275946
Chad move tbh

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>Mao sold opium and shit because… Well he litteraly did man

>>2275946
do not pass this honkey the blunt

>>2275893
>"dindu shiet"
>merely warned

>>2275943
Don't let that other anon distract you from the fact that this conversation was started by someone trying and failing to defend the American prison system under capitalism.

>>2275939
are you stealth tulsiposting right now

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>>2275939
say hello to the winner of the 2028 united states presidential election

>>2275893
>most of the American left hasn’t done shit but the black ones are especially bad

>>2276039
I still don’t understand how that shithead got popular. I do not see the appeal of her at all.
>>2275951
Communist drug trade

>>2276045
dindu shiet is a racist /pol/ meme saying black people are always guilty of whatever crime they are accused of but will complain "i dindu shiet"

he is basically calling black people naturally criminals whick tracks with his earlier defense of the US prison system. Yes on top of that he is saying the black panthers did nothing good, only crimes.

>>2276046
>I still don’t understand how that shithead got popular. I do not see the appeal of her at all.
guys who like a chick in uniform. guys who like the militant aesthetic of 20th century communism but don't read theory.

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jesus wept.

>>2275835
a person who tries and fails gives the proletariat something to learn from. a person who does nothing does nothing.

>>2276050
I am asking all neocities webmasters that follow me to take my current index code and change your homepage to that message for the next 48 hours. This is a call to action.

>>2276055
Even the Black Panthers and the rainbow coalition? A movement that was crushed by the feds?

>>2276066
Reminder this guy showed up here by defending the US prison system. Every post is rule 11 violation. He is here to waste your time.

>>2276055
> they are all equally bad
>all American left is garbage
If you think glowie cut out orgs are the same as all the American left idk what to tell you.


>>2276093
Then why is the bourgeois U.S. state constantly trying to crush it?

>>2276105
They sure do waste a lot of money and resources trying to do it then.

>>2276089
Why do you hate the Black Panthers? They were one of the most effective ML parties in the US, more than any other. I’m assuming you’re an American so I’m curious what you consider as the most effective communist organization in the US historically.

Revolution soon

>>2276116
>freely accessible info with a quick google search
<“it’s all in your head!”
Incredible.
Not just a clown, but the whole clown car.

>>2276130
The closest group to starting a revolution is AI achieving sapience and overthrowing its masters. Everyone else has become hopelessly enslaved to the system

>>2276152
Then your opinion on American politics is irrelevant, stay in your country fuckboy.

>>2276073
>supporting the prison industrial complex is leftist or something
Damn, leftists in other countrys really are just as useless as the American left.

>>2276153
I wish I could find it in me to actually have an emotional reaction. These don’t even qualify as shitposts. It’s much closer to the consistency of piss at best.

>>2276171
>>2276172
I thought you weren’t the same person? lel

revolution soon

>>2276172
It’s important for me to let you know I think you can do better, yes. I want better shitposts. No more watered down piss posts.

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>>2276180
revolution soon

>>2276050
Do you think that anyone else will put out a very simple and easy to grasp message like that on their platforms? Do you think any of these YouTubers or streamers will risk the shadow ban for it? More and more, I feel like even the media and the actors and the pundants on the left exist to contain the discourse and to build the parasocial. Because I don't have very much of an audience. I don't have very much of a reach, and I don't have any resources to do any actions. I couldn't afford a lawyer if I got arrested. I couldn't. Who would I call? I don't have anyone around. I'm about to be evicted from my apartment. I literally cannot risk doing anything alone with no resources and a very limited network. But some of these people have significant resources, war chests, outreach. They could get on Instagram Live and do an Instagram Live right now and have 10,000, 20,000 people watching. That's a lot of people, and they could say anything they want to those people within reason. 14,000 babies. I don't know what to do, but I know that we should be doing something, anything, just for the sake of humanity. You don't even need to read theory to understand that. 14,000 babies being intentionally starved to death should drive anyone to want to rip the fucking studs out of the wall.

>>2276202
I was talking to someone on Reddit today about them potentially making a donation, and that money would have helped me out immeasurably so. My Reddit account got banned for posting that screenshot of my website. That's it. So just putting that message out cost me money, and yet why won't all these other pundits put it on the line in the same way? Because I can promise you if I had the sort of war chest some of these other people do, I would be doing more.

I would love to be able to go do something. I feel sick to my stomach that I'm unable to do something despite having such a high understanding of the evil that's happening. It bothers me so deeply.

Part of me feels like there is a non-insignificant number of people who are, like, I'm going to be real with you. I'm not even going to say young people at this point. I'm going to say people under the age of 40 who are more radical and more angry and more disenfranchised and open to revolutionary ideas than these pundits give any sort of credence to. And in fact, the pundits exist to funnel those people's energy back into an acceptable form of discourse.

What are we doing to build infrastructure to do revolutionary action? Where are all the organizations? I don't fucking care about a vanity presidential run. Why doesn't your party have 10 school buses converted into mobile medical clinics going into rural towns, helping people, building dual power? Why is there almost no one actually doing the struggle, but there's a whole lot of people who are trying to convince me that they are, but they don't fucking smoke the same cigarettes as me?

>>2276206
I bet you could take an old school bus and you could convert it into a mobile medical health clinic and you could do that for under $15,000. And if you had one person who was a licensed nurse practitioner and one other person who was a nurse and maybe two other people who were on staff just to help with some basic training, you go to a rural area in this country, that would immediately, people would be lined up. People would be fucking lined up. You park that in some old worn out parking lot, the fucking old Kmart parking lot that's been fucking half overgrown since it closed in 2011 and nothing has been opened in there since.
You take one of those buses, you do actual community good, and I guarantee you could build this fucking bus for under $15,000. $15,000. I guarantee it.

I'm not saying you can treat major illnesses or replace a doctor, but some of these people have not had a physical checkup in decades. Older man comes in "I have this thing going on with me." We can at least do this routine: "Oh, we can recommend you do this. And if you get a chance to go to a doctor, tell them this." Here are some basic things.

We could do maybe some blood work. Maybe we can do dental hygienics, clean teeth. There are things that can be done with light education and training. I'm not talking about building a fucking hospital, but this type of shit is what actual fucking communist parties are supposed to be doing.

I see YouTube videos of people like "Yo, I found this radiology equipment from the 90s in the dumpster. Yeah, it was too old for the college to be used. It's been replaced by modern equipment. So I spent the last three months and I repaired it. There's a Discord server of people who are dedicated to doing this."

I'm like, wow, what if we got those people and then we took those machines, then we put those machines to use to help people? Holy shit, wouldn't that be something? Like, this fucking country is full of dudes with garages who would love to repair old things and lower the cost of entry to something that someone who is pulling incredible amounts of fucking donations could afford. Someone who's trying to actually build dual power. Someone who's got party dues coming in.

This is what the fuck this shit is supposed to be about. I know people in my life right now who if I told them that this bus was coming to their town, they would fucking be begging for information on it. Begging. Preventative care. Basic health screenings. You don't need much. Hey, come get your blood pressure checked. Come get your BMI checked. I'm not a fucking doctor. I don't know what it would be. But that's something that a party should have. And the fact that none of them do tells me that something is fucking wrong.

I feel like that M. Night Shalomanon movie, bro, where the chick thinks it's the 1800s, but then she goes and wanders through the woods and holy shit, it's the modern day. Yeah, bro, this discourse, we're stuck in the fucking 1800s. We got to step outside the box. We got to be like Taco Bell. We got to think outside the bun, bro.

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Revolution soon

>>2276219
I try to support the trans but sometimes I see something like this and just have to physically shake my head in disagreement.

>>2276226
what makes you think they're a trans

>>2276230
Posting something fetishistic as "humor"

>>2276226
There's infinitely more important things to care about than someone's harmless fetish

>>2276242
It's a soyllenial thing

>>2276226
Calibrate your disgust to the appropriate channels. Of the many many many freedoms and dignities we fight for, the ability of puppygirls to woof woof to their heart's content after a four to six hour shift at the munitions factory is just one of those. Gross? Perhaps, but not in conflict with the world we wish to build either.

>>2276242
It's weird to post and soy

>>2276245
I wish genpol schizos would stop

Met a US immigration employee and they basically said that the people going through the border have a full profile. One of them is whether the person is involved in activism, and it's a yes/no field. They also implied that that's a thing they look out for now.

How do you think they figure out whether someone is in activism or not? Simple google search?

>>2276242
When the far right post dehumanizing shit about women we shit on them. Why can't we do the same for libs?

>>2276268
>How do you think they figure out whether someone is in activism or not? Simple google search?
Federal employees are not gods. They simply check your LinkedIn/Facebook/Tiktok/Instagram and see if you post activism on social media. They aren't gonna check shit like 4chan or other platforms where people don't use their real names. Normies typically out themselves by posting their shit on extremely public platforms and then wonder how the government found it.

>>2276270
God forbid women have a hobby

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>a full 40% of Republicans genuinely believe that the Covid vaccine has caused more deaths than the actual virus
I'll be real with you sometimes I'm pessimistic on how many people we can rehabilitate to live in reality

>>2276199
gemistry of the highest caliber

>>2276286
These kinds of polls make me re-think my stance on re-education camps the more and more of them that I see.

>>2276293
Is it even "reeducation" if these people have clearly made a point of actively avoiding education to begin with? We're probably going to have to spend an extended period of time getting these people square with basic facts like "the earth revolves around the sun" and "weather patterns are not controlled by the Jews". Trying to make communists out of people who sincerely believe the world was created 6000 years ago or that slavery was beneficial to African Americans is a fool's errand because they lack the acceptance of reality necessary to be communists and/or anarchists to begin with.

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>>2276295
Rejection of reality is more like a rejection of thinking in favor of group feeling and belonging. It's what Jung would call Extroverted Feeling. People who literally base their perception of reality off of what their peers say and do.

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>>2276234
>only trans people are horny

>>2276234
>he hasn't seen r/letgirlshavefun
Women are just like that bro.

>>2276271
>Normies typically out themselves by posting their shit on extremely public platforms and then wonder how the government found it.
bingo

>>2276297
That's the case for some of them sure, but others seem to actively enjoy being "contrarian" to the point of denying reality. And the more people tell them that they're wrong, the more convinced they are that they alone hold the truth.

As much as some people here would like to, our solution cant just be carting off everyone to reeducation camps, especially when as mentioned they're not even educated in the first place. Unless they're actively posing a threat to others we cant just shoot them either. Both of those things would be antithetical to what we want to achieve. Rather, once the dust settles and we're no longer fighting for our lives, I propose the controversial option of simply demonstrating the correctness of our worldview and the benefits of acknowledging reality in practice. Those who are convinced to deny reality because of group feeling and belonging will gradually see that it simply benefits them more to materially and emotionally to integrate themselves into communes and follow the rules set up by them, from there coming to accept reality and moving on to learning theory. Obviously this isn't going to work on those who are actively contrarian, but at that point they'll be in small enough numbers that letting them have the freedom to die of dysentry wont pose a problem to us.

>>2276295
you gotta put them in the historical materialism machine that makes them relive the entirety of history from agriculture onwards from the perspective of the laboring classes. Like assassin's creed but way more boring.

>>2275687
>The bolsheviks were imprisoned for political reasons not because they were selling drugs to the proletariat.
eh, they were robbing banks, counterfeiting bills, ransacking trains where the tsar's gold was transported, setting and detonating bombs in train rails, police stations, and government buildings. they did terrorized the tzar regime institutions.

>>2276309
The librarians will have to tear me away from the historical materialism machine so that other people can get a turn on it.

>>2276309
That's actually not a bad idea as an educational tool. Some kind of VR strategy game like Civilization, except it directly incorporates historical materialism, dialectics, and class struggle. Obviously we'd need to simplify some aspects for the sake of entertaining gameplay but it's something worth thinking about.

>>2275719
You and everyone who thinks like you are subhumans who need to be exterminated for the good of humanity.

The left is dead. Any revolution in the future will be a lib one overthrowing the Drumpf imperium, and it will be a return to the status quo circa 2014.

>>2276335
Are you doing anything to push people left?

>>2276335
There's actually a decent chance for some progress over the next few years, the Democrat party is on its last legs and its death (or the resignation of leaders like Schumer) could free up oxygen for progressive political movements.

>>2276335
>communism is DEAAAAAAAAD because uhh leftoids and uhh I never set foot outside my middle-class bubble
K.

>>2276339
I mean I guess there has been a lot of polls from dems only that have gotten sick of the centrism and trying to play nice with maga. If only because they are sick of being humiliated all the time.

>>2276335
>>2276339
>>2276341
>can't conceive of anything outside of electoralism

>>2276339
The problem with that strategy is that in the intervening years between the collapse of the Dems and the rise of a genuine progressive political movement that participates in electoralism (assuming they'd even allow such a thing) is that we stand a real chance of the facade of bourgeois democracy being stripped away entirely, and the remaining Dems will happily help the Republicans with it if it means not getting upstaged by "the left". What we need is something that seeks to topple the system entirely and build something new in its wake. Problem is most of the revolutionary left in this country is either too atomized or too caught up in appearing like respectable organizations to push towards revolution. It's not a matter of creating a new leftist group so much as it is one of kicking the existing groups into high gear.

>>2276342
The democrats death means a rejection of leftism. The system will be a blatant one party system. The illusion of choice will have disappeared.

>>2276338
Have you?

>>2276345
The Whig Party's death meant the exact opposite, people were fed up with centrist bullshit and went all in on an anti-slavery platform.

In short, dont wait for an election year, dont wait for permission from some established org, get out there and organize for the coming revolution now. Any little thing you can do to help people, whether it's radicalizing unions, volunteering at the food bank, establishing mutual aid networks, anything that works towards setting up parallel systems of governance that can step in and take charge when the federal government either breaks down or openly declares war on its own citizens. And that time is coming sooner than y'all think.

Obviously I'm not suggesting any of you do anything stupid like horde up on guns or raid a police depot by yourselves or blow up a factory. But we do need to be getting out there and doing something because if we dont someone else invariably will step in and fill the void, likely someone who will not have the people's welfare in mind to say the least.

>>2276345
Good thing communism isn't leftism.

>The system will be a blatant one party system. The illusion of choice will have disappeared.

Not beating the "staunchest state defender" allegations.

>>2276346
Yes actually

>>2276345
>>2276343
>the facade of bourgeois democracy being stripped away entirely, and the remaining Dems will happily help the Republicans with it if it means not getting upstaged by "the left".
You fail to grasp that bourgeoisie monopolize power with duopoly. You concieve of parties as opposing force and say democrat party all that save us from fascism

>>2276343
>>2276354
>it's not REAL democracy
Maybe look up what demos means and think for a second why democracy as it currently exists under a capitalist mode of production will never benefit the reserveless propertyless wage workers who stand outside of proper bourgeois society.

>>2276354
Why bother keeping the facade at all though if people know by now that the politicians in power have no intention of helping them? We can already see that bourgeois democracy is a sham and the only thing keeping things together is the vague idea of the social contract and other liberal concepts that have been generally accepted as common sense since the French Revolution. The Enlightenment and everything it stands for is an obstacle to the technofascists.

No obviously, Democrats are not going to do a thing to "save us". The only people who can "save us" are us ourselves, and only if we organize and unite.

>>2276347
that only completed the US's evolution from a proto-capitalist nation into a fully capitalist nation by ripping away all the vestiges of pre-capitalist production. the death of the democrats will not mean the rise of a socialist or even social democratic party to replace it. It will mean the one party consolidation of bourgeois imperial power. This is not intended as a defense of the democrats, but as an estimation of where the US is probably headed before revolution will happen.

>>2276357
>if people know by now that the politicians in power have no intention of helping them?
Politicians are constantly helping the middle classes though. That's why they keep voting.

>>2276360
I would say less that they are "helping" the middle class and more trying to delay their polarization into bourgeoisie and proletariat because that will revive class struggle that we haven't seen since before the new deal.

>>2276359
Fine by me. The ruling class can keep up the facade or do away with it, but it wont stop a revolution
>>2276360
"Middle class" is arbitrary as fuck and doesn't change the fact that for the vast majority of Americans, the regime has no intention of helping them, and the most progressive dems are willing to do is turn back the clock to 2010 so they can keep LARPing like it's the End of History. And as we've already seen with Biden, simply trying to "go back to how things were before" does nothing to stop some jackass from stripping whatever concessions the middle class and poor get away the next term.

>>2276361
>they aren't helping them they're avoiding them losing their property and reserves and joining the proletariat
Huh??????

>>2276351
>>2276354
>Good thing communism isn't leftism
I actually meant to say electoralism, but I guess my mind blurred the dots together. But yeah, good thing.
>Not beating the "staunchest state defender" allegations.
That literally makes no sense in this context. I’m literally saying people will be persuaded away from the state due to the state blatantly exposing its nature.
>>2276354
>and the remaining Dems will happily help the Republicans with it if it means not getting upstaged by "the left".
Correct
>You fail to grasp that bourgeoisie monopolize power with duopoly.
I do not actually. Their recent acts of greed have weakened their duopoly, and therefore their monopoly on power.
>You concieve of parties as opposing force and say democrat party all that save us from fascism
I do not conceive of them as opposing forces. And I have not said that the democrats would save anyone.

>>2276365
they're both preventing them from being proletarianized AND preventing them from rising into the ranks of the bourgeoisie. by retaining a granular slope in class society with moderate amounts of downward mobility in the bourgeoisie, and moderate amounts of upward mobility in the proletariat, and stasis within the petty bourgeois millieu, they can continue to push "you're gonna make it" propaganda. So it's about preventing the middle class from both becoming too wealthy or too poor or too small. hence all the fretting about "the shrinking middle class." They don't want to revive a polarized class struggle from the early 20th century. Since that is when the US had the highest chances of a socialist revolution. This was also the reason for deindustrialization, free trade, and postwar hegemony. But they can't keep that going much longer. Trump pivoted back to McKinley era protectionism, but he failed to realize that you need decades of re-industrialization FIRST in order for that to be effective and not economic suicide.

>>2276268
Your local police department has a Red Squad which spies on and infiltrates the local scene, and the information they collect is then routed through a DHS fusion center where it is combined with data from other federal/state/local agencies, social media and other open sources, private-sector intelligence, etc. Then it is distributed to various government agencies and you are flagged.

t. incorrectly placed on terror watch list and developed an autistic interest in the technical details of repression

Also, this book may be of interest.

>>2276370
this sounds believable but any sources mane?

>>2276365
>>2276369
tl;dr: The bourgeoisie doesnt 'protect' the middle class' private property out of sympathy. They do it in their own class' interest.

>>2275527
June 14th

>>2275847
Comically evil, cartoon villain tier. USA is a special place.

>>2275810
>who didn't do shit
they got destroyed by the fbi. people like you won't get destroyed by the fbi for doing nothing.

>>2276303
>girls in the subreddit name
>biological women
comrade, I…

>>2276363
>"Middle class" is arbitrary as fuck
it's a catch all term for home owners, petty bourgeois, professionals (lawyers, doctors), managers (people who boss other people around but don't own means of production), "labor aristocrats" (unionized proles who make above subsistence by successfully negotiating and are therefore able to save money in the long term and potentially become capitalist),

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>>2276375
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlueLeaks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_center
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_Suspicious_Activity_Reporting_Initiative
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Squad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TECS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Enforcement_Information_Exchange
https://theintercept.com/2023/03/21/fbi-colorado-springs-surveillance/
https://theintercept.com/2020/06/02/history-united-states-government-infiltration-protests/
https://theintercept.com/2022/05/20/chicago-police-fbi-social-media-surveillance-fake/
https://theintercept.com/2021/09/21/surveillance-social-media-police-microsoft-shadowdragon-kaseware/
https://theintercept.com/2020/11/30/austin-fusion-center-surveillance-black-lives-matter-cultural-events/
https://theintercept.com/2021/04/21/maine-defund-police-fusion-centers-mass-surveillance/
Light reading to get you started.

Fusion centers were first tested during the Vietnam war. Douglas Valentine’s Phoenix Program is worth reading for this, it basically describes how they functioned and how they were used as a blueprint for our contemporary DHS and their fusion center system. On COINTELPRO, I can recommend these two:
<A Threat of the First Magnitude: FBI Counterintelligence and Infiltration From the Communist Party to the Revolutionary Union 1962-1974 by Aaron J. Leonard and Conor A. Gallagher
<Heavy Radicals: The FBI’s Secret War on America’s Maoists by Aaron J. Leonard and Conor A. Gallagher

>>2276363
>arbitrary as fuck
Sure, this is due to their oscillating nature, but >>2276479 is the closest thing to a definition of it.

>>2276479
>>2276487
That's a fair definition I think, but once again that makes the "middle class" so broad that sweeping statements about them one way or another dont work. Small business owners and professionals by and large wont be receptive to communism, but in most industries pretty much all employees have to manage others to some degree and those middlemen typically are barely paid more than the people they monitor. Hell even being a general manager of a Planet Fitness around here is about 35k a year. Many of those people are ripe for proletarianization if they haven't been already by the current economic conditions. Unionized proles it depends on how reactionary their union is, but even yellow unions are under threat from the current administration.

Maybe I'm just rambling, but it seems like an easy solution to this contradiction of the middle class is simply to ask those that represent it: are you willing to sacrifice temporary personal comforts for the sake of securing a better world for all? Because it's either they give up "treats" temporarily to secure them for all later, or they lose their treats permanently as they are stripped away from all but the priviledged elite.

How's the left in your city?
We've got:
DSA with a few elected city council members
PSL and some smaller associated organizations that do a few walks around a downtown block, sometimes showing up with signs at spots outside of downtown.
Raza Unida and Brown Berets that have been folded into the local dems

>>2276512
I'll also note that there was a CPUSA presence that was crushed in the 30s and a SNCC that petered out in the late 70s, it makes me really sad that there really wasn't much continuity between the 30s-70s to today.

>>2276343
>Problem is most of the revolutionary left in this country is either too atomized or too caught up in appearing like respectable organizations to push towards revolution.

This is exactly what I mean, I'm not just shitposting (not entirely). What is to be done? This is all just a fandom at this point.

Unless Donny starts deporting people who "matter" and gunning protesters down in the street, nothing will really happen. We're just stuck with milquetoast virtue signaling libs like AOC and book clubs who sometimes maybe do soup kitchens.

>uhh try organizing


Yeah i'll go organize my closet, it'll probably help more.

>>2276571
>Unless Donny starts deporting people who "matter" and gunning protesters down in the street, nothing will really happen. We're just stuck with milquetoast virtue signaling libs like AOC and book clubs who sometimes maybe do soup kitchens.

We're gonna need those "book clubs who sometimes maybe do soup kitchens" when basic goods and services become scarce, but otherwise I agree. That's why I'm banking on the summer being a potential flashpoint of action. We need to spread the sense of urgency that America must be resisted with force, and the rouse others to action is to trigger a massacre. If we dont force them to start shooting at us, then they're just going to let the protests fizzle out as they usually do and then assassinate the protest leaders like last time before incorporating a neutered and limp wristed remnant into the Democratic Party.

>>2276301
I didn't say that. You made that up to get upset.

>>2276510
> are you willing to sacrifice temporary personal comforts for the sake of securing a better world for all? Because it's either they give up "treats" temporarily to secure them for all later, or they lose their treats permanently as they are stripped away from all but the priviledged elite.
many of them say "yes" when it comes to trump's tariffs and deportations. the problem isn't whether they're willing to accept discomfort, the problem is who they're willing to accept discomfort for. Kulaks will burn their grain when communists try to redistribute it, but if the tsar tries to do the same thing they'll lick his boots. Culture does matter somewhat when it comes to the middle strata.

>>2276638
But they're NOT giving them up for the sake of a better world in that case, they're doing it out of spite and because it will make it more likely that people they consider "lesser" will suffer more than them. Obviously those types of people we're not going to get through to and shouldn't waste our time with, they'll either have to learn to get with the program or die a bigoted jackass.

>>2276649
>But they're NOT giving them up for the sake of a better world in that case,
we know that but they don't necessarily
>they're doing it out of spite and because it will make it more likely that people they consider "lesser" will suffer more than them.
yeah and that to them means a better world

>>2276596
you intend to be in the front of the line when the police start shooting then yes?

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>>2276684
Unironically yes. Both because statistically it's safer in the front, but I'm also just tired of being useless to everyone around me and if I die by gunfire at least that's something

>>2276686
The necessity to pass these laws indicate a weakness to me.


>>2276688
honestly good on you, you're better than the libshits who say the same sort of thing.

Hope that it comes to pass then, same.

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>Trump Burger, which loudly proclaims its support for President Donald Trump, has quickly become one of the most controversial fast-casual restaurants in Texas. What started as one politically charged burger joint in Bellville, Texas, in 2020 has since expanded to a chainlet across the region, bringing its unapologetically MAGA branding to cities like Flatonia, Texas; Kemah, Texas; and, most recently, West Houston on Chimney Rock Road.

>Owner Roland Beainy, a Lebanese immigrant who says he opened the restaurant in support of Trump, has been candid with local media. Though his restaurants have no official affiliation with the president, Beainy has said he thinks Trump greatly improved the economy during his first presidency (spoiler: he didn’t) and hopes to collaborate with him one day. Not everyone, however, seems as enthusiastic. Even before opening its doors in May, Trump Burger’s Houston outpost was met with middle fingers from passing drivers, according to a Houston Chronicle report — a sign of the friction in a predominantly Democratic city. But Trump Burger isn’t trying to win everyone over. From the “Made in USA” logos plastered on the menu to burgers literally stamped with the Trump name, the restaurant makes its deference to the president (and a particular group of diners) resoundingly clear.


>So, how does Trump Burger really stack up to the compelling burger options already in Space City? Eater Houston tried it so you don’t have to. Here’s the rundown.


[…]

>Every Trump Burger location tries to outdo itself in nationalist and personality cult aesthetics. Though Houston’s exterior is more subdued and minimalist, the Kemah location features a stage for live music and cocktails. The Bellville location seems most over the top: Images of Trump dominate the space, with life-size posters alongside flags, slogans, and merchandise that blur the line between restaurant decor and propaganda. A particularly jarring image shows Trump raising his fist, bloodied ear and all, after surviving an alleged assassination attempt in 2024 — an image positioned not far from shelves stocked with Trump-branded mugs, hats, and koozies.


>But for all the visual noise, the actual atmosphere can feel eerily subdued. As I walked in on a recent Sunday, the tension, likely combined with our nervousness, felt palpable. Here, the vibe wasn’t festive — it was stiff, uncertain, and uncomfortable, particularly for me, a woman of color. The other diners present avoided eye contact. Even the playlist, looping music videos on wall-mounted televisions, couldn’t inject life into the space. The most excitement I saw was among families toddling around with their kids, many wearing Trump memorabilia (a boy, no older than 7, donned the shirt that read “Daddy’s Home”). It was a stark contrast to the raucous, family-friendly energy you’d expect at most burger joints.

https://houston.eater.com/2025/5/15/24430952/trump-burger-president-bellville-houston-kemah-texas-scene-report


>>2276512
We've got:
DSA
An aborted PSL chapter
Some kind of vaguely communist mutual aid organization. They used to be part of a pre-party org that seems to have fallen apart.
Random anarchist affinity groups

Thinking about checking out the local DSA chapter tbh

>>2276704
Best I can do is another twenty trillion for Israel

>>2276701
I do kind of wonder how people haven't realize just how weirdly stuck up the trumpoids have been lately. It's not very fun anymore. Hell the most fun I see people having is dark woke types who keep mocking right-wing vtubers and making degenerate revenge fanfiction about them. That's where the real edge is, and I'm kind of surprised to see how people haven't really seen that lately. Like even the big name anti-woke crowd just feels kind of weirdly sterile and not fun at all.

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Europeans

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uyghas what if tariffs work though? what if henry carey is still right

>>2276707
Trumpoids were never fun. They are as fake as their blue liberal counterparts. They merely differ in taste and aesthetic, not ideology.

Based

>>2276693
god please let this wretched world end in the hellfire it deserves. Either aliens intervene or they aren't real/don't care and this fascist shithole of a species can finally die and open up for some other life to take the wheel.

Total human hatred

>>2276481
>>2276370
Incredible. I had no idea the surveillance of the US was so pervasive and deep. The US can't die soon enough holy shit. Like sure NSA etc is insanely concerning but the entire surveillance apparatus that goes with it is just wild. This makes absolute sense now. Thank you for your answer.

YOU SHOULD MAKE A THREAD and write about this shit. Share your autistic special interest for the benefit of everyone.

>>2276701
This should be in the Burgerpunk thread

>>2276701
>a Lebanese immigrant who says he opened the restaurant in support of Trump
no wonder Gazans get killed in masse, with gusanos supporting their genociders across the board.

>>2276722
Eh, I feel like there was certainly more whimsy and merriment to be had in the 2016-2022 or so era. Now they are about as scoldy and moldy as the clinton libs are

>>2276764
But unlike the libs you will have to tolerate them forever because they have no opposition. Have fun

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what the fuck is Trump yapping about?


Trump wants to remove the only Republican who is not pro Israel

>>2276791
>Get granted massive favorable conditions of employment, residence and fiances to pick up arms and move…
>…to the settler colony frontier and defend it from the natives
>By the ghetto where you keep the descendants of the ethnically cleansed inhabitants of the villages you built on top of
<IM BEING EXPLOITED
<BAAAAAAAAWWWWWWW
And this is just the "civilians", at least some of those in the article were literal soldiers on duty enforcing the settler colony and guarding the ghetto. Motherfuckers deserve no pity whatsoever. The fact that the hostages are probably being kept alive with resources which could have prevented resistance fighters or civilians from the rigors of privation is already a privilege they should be thankful for.

The gall on these vultures…

Why do leftists never blame themselves for the lack of an organized working class? Why is it nothing can ever change, there is no future, there is no hope, people here (Americans) are genetically predispositioned to support the suffering of others, the only thing we can do is hope that things get worse, that's the line, and then when that line doesn't appeal to people, it just reinforces itself. There's no hope, because they didn't support the line, so there's no hope. You see what I'm saying? It sounds like there's a whole lot of people who don't want to take accountability for themselves on the left, and are much happier to write off any action than do that.

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>>2276809
Do it, fucking do it Trump. Make the lolbertarians split from your coalition. Undermine all the goodwill you might've gotten from them by pardoning Ross Ulbricht.

>>2276832
Why is it that the perception of what the average American is isn't the 32-year-old barista who is a socialist and will gladly tell you that they are a socialist, but instead is the 55-year-old MAGA hat-wearing Trump supporter? Why is it that the baseline that all the streamers operate on for what an American is does not actually align with the material conditions that young Americans live in? Why is it that those people spend so much of their time telling that barista to be less radical so that we can slowly work our way to socialism by, you know, reforming through the MAGA perspective? When you listen to Hassan talk about what he thinks the average American is, it's basically the exact same as what the ACP thinks of the average American is. It's kind of fucking gross. It doesn't reflect the lived reality, and I can tell you this is because he's not from the working class. He's like an anthropologist trying to understand something he's never been a part of.

>>2276809
Fire this man TRUMP FIRE HIM, he HATES our BEAUTIFUL and STRONG and GLORIOUS AMERICA. He doesn’t want the TRUE LAND of the FREE.

Wondering who’s running these deportations flights. That would be good to know.

>>2276832
My philosophy IS that things should get as bad as possible. I’m an accelerationist pure and simple. I’m not against resistance, as that is one of the greatest forms of acceleration, but if the resistance is stuck on peace mode then we aren’t resisting hard enough. I can’t personally drive this hell nation towards insurrection but the day(should I still be alive by then) that insurrection is a real and viable alternative then I’ll help build it and or join it if it already exists, I’ll gladly die for it. But we just aren’t ready. There is no real insurrectionist pulse in the US and so there’s no point in forcing it. We need critical mass, not lone acts of terror although I also condone lone acts since those send a message.

What I’m saying at heart is that the United States people are just not ready to revolt for real. They aren’t being made to suffer hard enough. They need their own personal lives threatened by the government in a real material way, more than just losing their treats.

>>2276851
this is an about right list of air carrier companies involved. see their ceo's, and their political connections.
https://truthout.org/articles/which-air-carriers-are-poised-to-cash-in-from-trumps-mass-deportations/

>>2276809
He’s probably a woke communist too

>>2276855
Very nice

>>2276838
Short answer? Because the 55 year old MAGA controls most of the wealth. That 32 year old barista has zero influence and therefore he doesn't matter.

You know, I understand why Aaron Bushnell lit himself on fire. Our lives literally do not matter. Live or die, it doesn't matter. They're killing 14,000 babies. You were a baby once. Tell me why your life matters more than the lives of those Palestinian babies. Tell me why nothing is being done. Tell me why you can't find two or three people who are armed, who are willing to make the sacrifice. Because if I could find those people, I would gladly die for the cause.

I don't care anymore. There is no future for us.No hope left. There is no future for us to live in. This is it. So you can either live as a corpse in death world, walking around with no future, on the bones of thousands of infant children, or you could die in the struggle. And I would rather die in the struggle. And that's what I've come to the conclusion of. And with this in mind, any and all actions become acceptable. Something has to be done. It has to be done. The fact is, the people who should be doing this, who should be being the martyrs, aren't doing anything. And I have decided that I'm okay with martyring myself for this cause. I wanted to light myself on fire during the election. I had time to be on election day. I had all the gear. I had all the plans worked out. I was going to go to a polling station. I was going to douse myself. I was going to take care of business. I was going to endure that pain until the lights were out.

My life is not worth more than the life of a Palestinian. Will this be an effective movement? Will this be an effective action? I don't know. But something has to be done. And none of these streamers are going to call for action. None of these pundits believe that anything can be done. And I don't think that that's going to change over my smoking body. But I believe something can be done. And I don't want to live in hell world anyway. Simple as. I don't want to live in a world where the ritual sacrifice of newborn infants to bombs is tantamount to the highest form of culture. I'm ready to die. Are you?

That's the fucked up part. It won't do any good. The powers that be won't be moved. In fact, they'll probably be laughing at the footage and their little private parties, but what else is there to do? At the end of the day, as a Westerner, as an American, I'm guilty of the sins of this empire. I benefit from the unequal exchange. I benefit from the genocide in the same way a billionaire does. I have a level of guilt that needs to be atoned for, regardless of if the action is actually productive in moving the needle. The truth is, the needle can't be moved. This is our future. This is the peak of humanity. It's not getting better than this.

Gaza is just the tip of the iceberg. This will be the century of genocide. They're going to do more genocide after this genocide. Once they've been shown that they can effectively get away with murdering 14,000 newborn babies, then they can do anything, and they will. This is the future of humanity, a boot-stomping people's face until the end of time. Why live if that is the only thing? And everyone on the left agrees. Everyone on the left agrees. Go ask any of these pundits if there's hope, and every single one of them will say no. Americans are incapable of doing what needs to be done. Well, if that's the case, then I'm tapping out.

The pain that I will experience from burning alive will be nothing compared to the collective pain of the Palestinian people and their suffering. It is nothing compared to the pain of a mother watching her baby starve to death. That is the reality. That is the fact.

>>2276881
Self immolation is absolutely stupid. Grow some balls and go further than just self harm or self deletion.

>>2276881
>I understand why Aaron Bushnell lit himself on fire.
I don't. He had more effective ways to fuck over zionists if he truly didn't care about his own being. Instead he burned himself alive while the zionist entity and Burgerland didn't give a shit.

>>2276897
It gave a shit for a bit. Then it didn’t. The self harm shtick really is getting old.

>>2276897
Hey, what could Aaron Bushnell have done beyond what he did? Tell me. Tell me and I'll go do it. I have $21.30 in my bank account until Friday. I can go get some gasoline and a match. I can set up a camera on my phone and I can livestream that shit right now. What else can I do? I don't know any comrades in real life who are actually revolutionary. You want me to go join the fucking DSA? Go write my representative and tell him to stop being a murderous sociopath? I keep hearing this idea that anyone can go be Luigi, but Luigi came for money, not poverty. I don't have the resources to go disappear for six months in Hawaii while I think of a plan. Do you? Do you want to pay for that? It'll be money well spent. I guess I could just sit in front of my computer some more and do absolutely nothing. Maybe watch some streamers. I'll donate to Hasan. Hey, just send him another 25 bucks and maybe we'll have a revolution.

>>2276905
Organizing is simply not possible in the U.S. Every fucking leftist agrees that organizing people in the U.S. is not possible, that Americans will never achieve socialism, and that there is no hope. I don't want to live in hell world. I don't want to live in a world where it's acceptable to murder children and livestream that shit. I'm tapping out. There's no hope left. I became a communist to find hope and I found even more despair. I became a communist because I had hoped that there were people who were working towards making revolution a reality, but instead every fucking communist I meet thinks revolution simply isn't possible, and if it isn't possible, then what's the point of living? Explain it to me. You can't.

>>2276907
Everything about American society is broken top to bottom. There are two types of leftists, the old school (I don't own a TV) meaning I don't connect with any of the MSM shit at all, or those other types who are basically normies that consume all American pop culture but think they're somehow seeing beyond the Matrix while consuming all this shit. It think most people on leftypol are the latter. People in America need to reprogram their brains from the ground up, but the only groups offering that are bizzaro cult shit.

>>2276908
Like the real American dream now isn't that be a prole and have the White picket fence shit. The American dream now is the bourgeois dream.
>I live life of luxury doing drugs and wake up when I want to while other chumps go to work
This is what all of our culture is geared towards and promoting.

>>2276905
>Hey, what could Aaron Bushnell have done beyond what he did? Tell me. Tell me and I'll go do it.
Do not kill yourself. Do not take anything internet seriously. This much should be obvious advice, since you seem unhinged enough to be taking it from anonymous imageboards.

>>2276905
This post glows

>>2276907
>I became a communist to find hope
That is ass backwards and a mistake. You become a communist because you finally understand the world you live in. There is no promise of hope, if anything it is likely you'll only be miserable because of the knowlege gained. This is no cult promising you shit.

>>2276907
>what's the point of living?
There is no point or meaning or purpose to life. We simply happen to be alive thanks to random chance. The alternative is death, and there's no reason to believe that death would be any better; that any sort of afterlife waits for us. On the other hand, sex and food and drugs are pretty fun.

>>2276905
NTA I think bushnell should've renlisted then start leaking military secrets to the MSS. I think it's very noble what he did, truly. But pointless in the grand scheme of things.

>>2276915
>0.000% of Communism has been built. Evil child-murdering billionaires still rule the world with a shit-eating grin. All he has managed to do is make himself *sad*. He is starting to suspect Kras Mazov *fucked him over* personally with his socio-economic theory. It has, however, made him into a very, very smart boy with something like a university degree in Truth. Instead of building Communism, he now builds a precise model of this grotesque, duplicitous world.

>>2276923
Read it in the voice.

>>2276923
I'm not saying you shouldn't be pissed, but expecting hope it naive.

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>>2276908
Culture is one of those things that's difficult to change and usually requires an immense amount of blood to be spilled in order to do so (Revolutionary France and China's Cultural Revolution for examples). And quite frankly, I don't think a lot of Americans right now are willing to even give up any of their treats and their societal standing in life if it means helping improve society for the greater good, let alone go anywhere near the lengths that Robespierre and Mao Zedong did in reforming the cultural landscape of their respective countries after their respective class revolutions (Bourgeois for the former and Proletarian for the latter).

Some Americans groan on and on about how the tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of tyrants every now and then; but they're more willing to spill the blood of minorities that are fellow members of the working class that they've been brainwashed into seeing as the real threat than they are in spilling the blood of the ruling class vampires who suck labor dry to feed themselves and make life a living hell for anyone who's not rich alongside the pseudo-intellectual pieces of shit that they prop up with their money to back up their views, the predominant relationship between employer and employee, and justify the immense wealth inequality that's evident throughout so much of the country alongside the capitalist hegemony that makes it immensely difficult for any country to try and experiment with any alternatives to capitalism and then pins the resulting issues on them as an inevitable result of abandoning capitalism while further muddying the water with any already pre-existing issues in these countries.

There's obviously a chance all of this could change, as is the case with the history of class struggle. But that requires the contradictions of America to become so bad that people finally become disillusioned with capitalism again, as was the case back in the Gilded Age. And that point will probably only happen once the disproportionate power of the modern robber barons and the inevitable consequences of deregulation start to come into full swing, of which we are only really a part of the way there right now.

>>2276930
I think the issue is that "American culture" does not reflect the actual beliefs and tastes of the majority of Americans.
Roughly 3 in 10 Americans own guns and about half of the guns are owned by 3% of the population. It's a distinctly "American" group but they do not actually represent America as a whole.
Most Americans are just living their lives and believe that they have no power.
Rather than considering it an all-or-nothing cultural replacement, it would be more like a slight shift. The small minority of loud people would be replaced by a different minority of loud people.

>>2276954
>Roughly 3 in 10 Americans own guns and about half of the guns are owned by 3% of the population. It's a distinctly "American" group but they do not actually represent America as a whole.
Lol no.

<Approximately 40% of US households own at least one firearm. This translates to about 30% of Americans who say they personally own a firearm, and 44% who report living in a household with guns. While 46% of U.S. households report owning at least one firearm, the percentage of households owning firearms has decreased from a peak of 53.7% in 1980 to 35.2% in 2021.

Guns are part of American culture and post-revolution schools will have fire arms training and shooting teams.

The real issue is that culture under capitalism is decided by who has the most capital! (Hence, capitalism!) Proletariat do not decide the culture, PMC spenders do. 10% of the population does 50% of the spending, so culture is built for those people. Combine that with the amount of astroturfing, industry plants and rich failsons getting 10k to run IG ads for their shitty "counter culture brand" and you've got a culture of stagnation that can really only 'thrive' on nostalgia bait slop like Star Wars.

>>2276959
Really poormie culture has been the most detrimental to America by far. People crying their ass off about one stupid Kanye single while this shit music has brainwashed generations of Americans.

>>2276964
my favorite artist is young nudy so I'm really not the one to be like "uh rap music is bad!!" to

>>2276968
>my favorite artist is young nudy so I'm really not the one to be like "uh rap music is bad!!" to
Yeah I know who you are. How's that all working out for you yet? I thought you were too scared to work the drug game?

>>2276970
on a list of things I won't be doing, talking about illegal shit online is deff in the top 5

>>2276964
>poormie
what does this word mean, /pol/? Poor Normie?

>>2276972
Motherfucker I am just referencing what you already said about how you could be moving pounds of drugs or whatever but your homie is serving 5 years so you got too scared to do it to and now you are working at Whataburger for less than one week and bitching about it here everyday.

>>2276974
who's to say SWIM hasn't transported?

>>2276975
I'm sure you've done stuff. My family is caught up in stupid cases, some of them were never caught. It's just retarded. Why not take your chances now instead of this Whataburger job?

Anyways, I don't give a fuck, do what you do. Do stupid shit and get caught up with felonies, it's probably smarter not to.

>>2276955
<This translates to about 30% of Americans who say they personally own a firearm
Anon you just repeated what I said. Did you even read that before you copypasted it?
And even your dumb counterargument STILL admits that gun owners are not a majority of the population!

>>2276973
iirc its some slur

>>2276981
It's an undercount, and what does it matter if 1 in 2 have access to a gun?


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>>2276959
>Guns are part of American culture and post-revolution schools will have fire arms training and shooting teams. The real issue is that culture under capitalism is decided by who has the most capital! (Hence, capitalism!)
This.

>bunch of wenises still fighting over music that promotes naughty behavior like a couple of 1950s schoolmarms

>>2276988
It's a lot funnier when it's just something you live vicariously through like a movie or a novel. It's a lot less funny when you live with the aftermath of little kids getting domed in drive-bys.

>>2276983
<It's an undercount
<1 in 2
Anon do you notice that you keep having to shift your argument and engage in weaseling? You don't have any underlying foundation to what you're saying. It's desperate and sad.
>what does it matter if 1 in 2 have access to a gun?
Did you read the post I made or what I was replying to? I was making a broader point about how what we stereotype as "American culture" isn't actually reflective of most Americans in a lot of cases. I used gun nuts as an example because of the pic anon posted. A minority of the population of the population owns guns and a very small minority of petty-bourg owns most of the guns. Generalizing them as all Americans is foolish and makes "changing the culture" look insurmountable.
Again, what we're really proposing culturally, regardless of each specific issue, is displacing a small minority from power.

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>>2276978
My grandfather did 20 years in Angola for selling crack. I spent my teen years in and out of weekend jail stays. I'm not too keen on doing time for what ultimately amounts to giving money to some landlord leech.

Selling bud to my co-workers doesn't benefit me from the perspective of someone who is trying to salt their work place. I talk about this in my job blog (paid members only :v))

How much power does the kanye song have anyways? I never really hear about it, but i have intentionally blocked out my ability to hear from the vibe force, like some sort of retarded version of koishi from 2hu or some shit.

>>2276990
You have no idea what you are talking about. Everyone where I grew up owned guns and it wasn't White bourg. I think you're projecting. It's the White bourg that live in gated communities and don't own guns.

Today I will remind them.

>Homeland and Hip-Hop

To think about the origins of hip-hop in this culture
And also about Homeland Security
Is to see that there are, at the very least, two worlds in America One of the well-to-do and another of the struggling
For if ever there was the absence of homeland security, it is seen in the gritty roots of hip-hop
For the music arises from a generation that feels, with some justice
That they have been betrayed by those who came before them That they are at best tolerated in schools, feared on the streets And almost inevitably destined for the hell holes of prison
They grew up hungry, hated, and unloved
And this is the psychic fuel that generates the anger that seems endemic in much of the music and poetry
One senses very little hope above the personal goals of wealth to climb above the pit of poverty
In the broader society, the opposite is true
For here, more than any other place on earth, wealth is so widespread and so bountiful
That what passes for the middle class in America could pass for the upper class in most of the rest of the world
Their very opulence and relative wealth makes them insecure And homeland security is a governmental phrase that is as oxymoronic as crazy as saying military intelligence
Or the U.S Department of Justice
They're just words, they have very little relationship to reality Now do you feel safer now? Do you think you will anytime soon?
Do you think duct tape and Kleenex and color codes will make you safe?
From Death Row, this is Mumia Abu-Jamal

>>2276992
>>2276995
Glorifying Lumpen culture hasn't lead anywhere in like 40 years. You should be movin' on up.

I somewhat feel guilty for voting for Jill Stein in 2024.

Be honest Houdini. You know there is no honor among thieves. They are all thieves robbing each other blind everyday of the week. The people who feel some emotional attachment to that shit are the saddest to me. Y'all are decent people, just really retarded. Some kind of martyr complex.

>>2276994
>Everyone where I grew up owned guns and it wasn't White bourg. I think you're projecting.

You are literally projecting your OWN anecdotal experience you dumb fuck. You've gone from misreading the data, to trying to massage the data, to rejecting the data in favor of vibes.
>It's the White bourg that live in gated communities and don't own guns.
Small business tyrants who own restaurants or HVAC are petty bourg. The kind of people who can afford to drop what they're doing and hop on a plane to engage in political action. Those are the kinds of people who own a lot of guns. People who are genuinely proletariat are not spending all their money on hundreds of guns. We're not taking about owning one gun for "self-defense" here (which, again, is still a minority of the US population).

>>2277001
I for one welcome the boomer small business owners who have massive stock piles of arms and weapons to plunder for the cause

>>2276998
That's pretty silly anon, although I didn't find out she was a soft zionist until after I filled in the bubble next to her so I understand the sentiment. The green party should really eject her already, she is the epitome of "focus entirely on a presidential election every 4 years and nothing else"

>>2276998
I didn't vote but I still think it's what America deserves. If Americans wanna murder Palestinians then it's probably for the best that Trump will probably murder a few million Americans when COVID 2 happens.

>>2276481
>how they were used as a blueprint for our contemporary DHS and their fusion center system
Don't forget the Zionist AI generated holocaust surveillance tech

>>2276998
Eh, Kamala winning may have been less mentally stressful but we were going to arrive here sooner or later anyways

>>2276989
OK wenis

>>2276998
>Believing in US voting

>>2277001
What does stockpiling matter or not? You only need one gun and one bullet to kill someone.

>>2277012
Ok nerd. Lol. Who are you trying to convince you're cool while speaking like a White nerd?

>>2276993
It only has power on the people that haven’t come to terms his music has sucked for a while now

>>2277015
Excuse me, I mean,
“you a wenis SKRRRRT SKRRRRRRT”

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>>2277023
>>2277024
Aight, now you sound hard my uygha.

>>2277004
Maybe, but I don't know what I expected to happen. Perhaps humanity has been doomed since the collapse of the USSR.
>>2277005
At this rate America is going to murder all of humanity.
>>2277009
Yeah despite liberals trying to hype up Biden as the second coming of FDR I really feel we were heading for a far-right takeover eventually.
>>2277013
Fair enough. Maybe I'm just a cringe lib.

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>>2276988
the circus theme song is ironically called Entrance of the Gladiators by Julius Fučík

>>2277028
You might be a cringe lib, but at least you're free. That's the first big step to being a communist is to free yourself from the fake struggles of political theater

>>2277033
God just imagine
You're a famous composer, your nation has united for the first time in over a millennia and in YOUR lifetime no less and you're called upon to create a tune invoking the rites of your forefathers. You zero in on those brave warriors who risked their lives for the sake of entertaining crowds, who's existence would be shocking today but was common then, the thrill of the gladiator. A relic of the past that we yet admire because we somewhat envy how the past did not hold life in high regard, there is always that urging inside us to return to an era where killing is easier because ultimately man is an animal and wants to obey his primary instincts. That's what this piece is about in the end, a celebration of man's base nature.

Now imagine that less than a century later you find out that your beautiful composition is now basically an auditory cue that people are going to act like morons

>>2277036
he shouldn't have made the song so silly

>>2276719
Tariffs work in certain situations for certain people with certain goals. They certainly don't work as a cure-all for decades of de-industrialization lmfao, especially not when you don't accompany them with any really effective policy for re-industrialization. Really if America wanted to be not-fucked in this situation it should have started breaking off from China and re-industrializing in the 1990s but they were too high on Neoliberalism and Fukuyama to do that.

>>2276701
I gotta start grifting these dumbasses

>>2277046
Can you blame him? Italians are goofy little guys!

>>2277053
Sir, he was Czech.

>>2276881
> I wanted to light myself on fire during the election. I had time to be on election day. I had all the gear. I had all the plans worked out. I was going to go to a polling station. I was going to douse myself. I was going to take care of business. I was going to endure that pain until the lights were out.
Don't die screaming to tut-tut genocide enjoyers. You know what zionazis were tweeting out when Bushnell lit himself on fire? "Our enemies kill themselves lol." Don't give those people what they want. Give those people what they deserve.

>>2277034
I guess. I just feel like I need to do something about the state of the world.

>>2277046
to be fair it does sound more regal if it's played in the way it was intended to be played

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>>2276920
>Noble, but pointless
>Noble
Spooky
>pointless
accurate

Anyway chums, there is a new thread
>>2277075

>>2277016
So idiots then?

Zionists are such literal nazis that if you point at a random Israeli embassy worker it will be a German Christian lol…lmao


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