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>>2272667 >>2274120Just want to continue to stress that the goal of being a communist (and an anarchist :v)) is to abolish wage slavery.
Letter To American Workers
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/aug/20.htm
>The representatives of the bourgeoisie understand that for the sake of overthrowing Negro slavery, of overthrowing the rule of the slaveowners, it was worth letting the country go through long years of civil war, through the abysmal ruin, destruction and terror that accompany every war. >But now, when we are confronted with the vastly greater task of overthrowing capitalist wage-slavery, of overthrowing the rule of the bourgeoisie—now, the representatives and defenders of the bourgeoisie, and >also the reformist socialists who have been frightened by the bourgeoisie and are shunning the revolution, >cannot and do not want to understand that civil war is necessary and legitimate. here we have Lenin advocating for the abolition of wage slavery with the same fervor one would chattel slavery.
in the same letter
I believe towards the end of 1915, in the article “What Shall I Fight For” (I quoted this article at the beginning of 1916 at a public meeting of workers in Berne, Switzerland)[5]—that he, Debs, would rather be shot than vote credits for the present criminal and reactionary war; that he,
>Debs, knows of only one holy and, from the proletarian standpoint, legitimate war, namely: >the war against the capitalists, >the war to liberate mankind from wage-slavery. really cannot get any more explicit than this
There are about two million fast food workers employed by McDonald's and similar companies in America right now. Think about that for a second–millions of people working long hours, often for poverty wages, in an industry built entirely around speed, convenience, and cheap labor. Now imagine if we nationalized that entire sector. Take every McDonald's, every Burger King, every Wendy's, every Domino's, and put them under public ownership. And then, instead of maintaining this absurd density where four fast food restaurants sit on the same street corner, we drastically reduce the number of locations. Streamline it. Make it centrally managed. What you're left with is a leaner, more intentional network, organized on a local scale–neighborhood, district, city–plugged into a national supply and distribution system.
So we shut down maybe two-thirds of them. That still leaves a massive footprint. Because again, in most places, you'll find multiple fast food chains within a few hundred feet of each other. You don't need four. You don't need three. You need one. Close the rest. Convert that one into a community kitchen. A public canteen. Something different in tone and structure–no longer driven by profit, no longer an assembly line of grease and burnout. You automate some of the tasks. You cut down on unnecessary labor. The remaining workers are paid well. They're not service drones–they're providing socially necessary labor, feeding people in their own neighborhoods. It's dignified, respected work, embedded in a broader project of transitioning towards communism.
Now what do you do with all the people who used to work in the other locations? You don't just throw them away. You take that surplus labor and redirect it toward something productive. Something real. Maybe that means a national climate jobs program. Retraining. Education. Give people the opportunity to learn actual skills–carpentry, plumbing, electrical, agriculture, anything with long-term use value. Not this endless churn of fast food labor, spending your days making minimum wage while dealing with pissed-off customers trapped in consumer hell. Give people tools. Give them time. Let them come back with something that can lift up their community. That's what a workforce program should do. Everyone gets a shot at a life grounded in collective rebuilding, not corporate extraction.
And while we're at it, ask yourself: why do we even need drive-thrus? Why are we designing cities around cars in the first place? Drive-thrus aren't just a feature–they're an expression of capitalist priorities. Fast movement, private consumption, isolated transactions. They're part of the superstructure. That's the problem. People want to cling to the superstructure–car-centric design, private property, franchised consumer spaces–and just slap some socialist vocabulary on top of it. "Socialist service economy." What does that even mean? It's nonsense.
You can't preserve capitalist forms and expect revolutionary outcomes. That's not how this works. The majority of what exists in this country–from zoning laws to labor hierarchies to the layout of highways and parking lots–is a product of the capitalist superstructure. These things aren't neutral. They were built for a reason. They exist to serve capital. And you don't change the system by keeping those structures in place and trying to inject them with new meaning. You dismantle them. You destroy them. Only then can you begin to change the base.
But instead, we get this pseudo-leftist fantasy where we keep all the fast food joints and pretend they're somehow revolutionary now because the workers own a fraction of them, or because they pay fifteen dollars an hour. It's ridiculous. The logic is still capitalist. The form is still capitalist. The whole thing is still designed to extract value and reinforce capital's dominance.
We need to tear the whole thing down. Fast food, drive-thrus, endless sprawl, meaningless labor–it all has to go. That's the point. You can't build something new until you destroy what's holding everything in place.
>>2274176> I've been on this board for 10 years good for you
>and it is always the same stupid circular arguments over and over againmaybe that's because old people leave and new people show up with the same questions and go through the same phase of development.
>>2274175idk why people bother with fast food
>oh it's fast thoevery time i go to a fast food joint it's a half hour in line. I'd literally be better off grilling them burgers at home
>what if no grillair fryer, frying pan, whatever
>>2274192> essentially a boomer cultural product genpol analysis often fails because it imposes arbitrary 15 year windows onto history and lumps people right next to each other in birth to fundamentally different "generations." I have been told on here before by genpol fans that genpol isn't about generations. OK then. It shouldn't even present itself as being about generations if that's not what it is trying to analyze.
Fast food is a byproduct of the industrialization and monopolization of the restaurant business. Restaurants went from being petty-bourgeois dominated to industrialized just like other sectors. The guys who made McDonalds, Richard and Maurice McDonald, had as their main innovation the imposition of the assembly line method of production onto the kitchen. Also the guys who started McDonalds weren't even "boomers". They were from 2 generations earlier, the "Greatest Generation" called so because they often fought in WWII, these people being born between 1901 and 1928. We now have a phenomenon where every 15-30 years marketing dorks invent a new "generation" to call people and use the cultural superstructure to impose desired consumption habits as stereotypes of the generation. Millennials were accused of being obsessed with Avocado toast by these people as a form of subliminal advertising. The generational stereotypes of the marketers is not merely shaped by the generations being analyzed, but also shapes them. This is what the genpol obsessed people miss.
>not an everpresent part of human lifeEric Hobsbawm in his essay collection "On Nationalism" which I highly recommend talks about how many "ancient" traditions of nation-states were often invented between the 1600s and 1800s and don't even go back to the middle ages. The earliest national anthems for example date to the 1740s
>>2274191Used to be due to it actually being cheap and fast. Then enshittification did its work.
Fast food been around since the ancient days. Capitalism merely adopted it.
>>2274178>Maybe consider sucide no cap frfrWhy? It's funny how you kids project your mental illness onto everyone and think you are affecting anyone by acting like a lunatic. You are only clowning yourself.
>>2274183>maybe that's because old people leave and new people show up with the same questions and go through the same phase of development.Leave to where? I think it is only the tired axiom of
>anyone who isn't x when young has no heart…Really it is true. People are just young idealists running their mouths about shit they have no experience with when young, then give up on that bullshit as they "grow up" and go tge easy route and live the normie life and "sell out."
I'm serious about this shit. I'm in it to learn adapt and grow and keep focused on the goal even if it seems far-fetched and even improbable that it will happen in my lifetime.
<my bad posting while I should be doing my other work on someone else's device with the insufferable autocorrect on >>2274142>Marx and Engels explicitly state their opposition to wage labourunder capitalism because it's how functions the exploitative system of capitalism.
show me where they say they are against wage labor by any shape or perform under socialism and communism. go ahead.
>>2274154>capitalist wage-slaveryit's a description that you seem to segregate. your attempt to create a false dichotomy is nonsensical.
>>2274171put the quote more extended:
To him, Free Trade is the normal condition of modern
capitalist production. Only under Free Trade can the immense productive powers of steam, of electricity, of machinery, be full developed; and the quicker the pace of this development, the sooner and the more fully will be realized its inevitable results; society splits up into two classes, capitalists here, wage-laborers there
you are doing shitlibery misrepresentation of what he's saying
>REEEE ABOLISH GENDER, WE'LL ACHIEVE COMMUNISM THIS WAY>REEEEE ABOLISH FAMILY, WE'LL ACHIEVE COMMUNISM THIS WAY>RREEEEEEE ABOLISH RACES, WE'LL ACHIEVE COMMUNISM THIS WAY >>2274244>illiterate>accusing other of taking out of context Engel's words.you are projecting kid, and Engels is focusing on the way capitalism exploits, not that the tool can't be used under socialism.
Again, for the nth time, read theory.
>Critique of the Gotha Programme>The Principles of Communismfor you.
>>2274240to be honest I think he was wrong. If we look at economic history:
britain introduced new means of production but used protectionism first to develop it
America introduced better means of production and used protectionism first to develop it.
germany introduced better means of production and used protectionism first to develop it
Japan introduced better means of production and used protectionism first to develop it.
China introduced better means of production and used protectionism first to develop it
Theres a trend where new upcoming economic giants use protectionism first to develop new advanced means of production.
Its been a cycle repeating over and over again. In other words engles and marx was wrong.
The truth is productive powers emerge as new protectionist nations emerge that develop new means of production. And then only after engage in free trade
>>2274245you seem utterly confused about what the argument was even about. the first anon said, quote
>>2274157>If you’re unironically using shitlib terms like “wage slavery” then I’m sorry but you are far too pampered for communismwhereupon another anon provided an example of engels using that term:
>>2274171>division of society into a small class of large capitalist, and a large one of practically hereditary wage-slaves, proletarianswhereupon a third anon (idk if it was you) entered the conversation and started arguing with shit nobody said:
>>2274240>(see picrel)nobody was talking about any of that in the previous posts! it is illiterate to think so!
>>2274157>If you’re unironically using shitlib terms like “wage slavery” then I’m sorry but you are far too pampered for communism<And the dictatorship of the proletariat, i.e., the organization of the vanguard of the oppressed as the ruling class for the purpose of suppressing the oppressors, cannot result merely in an expansion of democracy. Simultaneously with an immense expansion of democracy, which for the first time becomes democracy for the poor, democracy for the people, and not democracy for the money-bags, the dictatorship of the proletariat imposes a series of restrictions on the freedom of the oppressors, the exploiters, the capitalists. We must suppress them in order to free humanity from wage slavery, their resistance must be crushed by force; it is clear that there is no freedom and no democracy where there is suppression and where there is violence. https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch05.htmNo investigation, no right to speak.
>>2274262>britain didn't use protectionism to develop industry,the first industrial revolution happened in britain during its protectionist era (1760-1820)
>germany germany engaged in listian style protectonism post 1879, with bismarck
>america america had extreme tariff rates as seen in image
>japanjapan engaged in protectonism during its miti era (1950-1970)
>chinachina is complicated but it does engage in protectonism
>>2274264correct ha joon chang talked about this
>>2274260>There is not one work I can think of that states support from wage labour in communismI didn't say that wage labour
is the way, I stated that abolishing it isn't the pre-condition or required condition to achieve the proletariat enmacipation.
>>2274262>britain didn't use protectionism to develop industryEngels wrote that exactly article quoted by the radlib that it was precisely the case, that the British empire celebrated the end of protectionist laws, in this case
> a Free Trade Congress was held at Brussels. It as a strategic move in the Free Trade campaign then carried on by the English manufacturers. Victorious at home, by the repeal of the Corn Laws in 1846, they now invaded the continent in order to demand, in return for the free admission of continental corn into England, the free admission of English manufactured goods to the continental markets.The Corn laws were protectionist measure:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_Laws#:~:text=The%20Corn%20Laws%20were%20tariffs,including%20wheat%2C%20oats%20and%20barley.
>The Corn Laws were tariffs and other trade restrictions on imported food and corn enforced in the United Kingdom between 1815 and 1846. The word corn in British English denotes all cereal grains, including wheat, oats and barley.[1] The laws were designed to keep corn prices high to favour domestic farmers, and represented British mercantilismDon't be so dense and say something it's easily debunkable during this conversation. literally you aren't reading anything here.
>>2274268>>2274273
>china is complicated but it does engage in protectonismChina engages in protectionism under the Uruguay Rounds that formed the WTO, under the GATT rules, and established that any
developing nation have exceptions to promote the developing of their nations, and no
develop nation can sue those countries for their protectionism.
China only joined until that article was presented.
And then the US wants to push China under lawsuits, and the incessant promotion that China is a
developed nation is a propaganda created by the rethuglicans, and it's a shame many communists have fallen for that propaganda, when China precisely doesn't want to end that, only under their terms, which is part of the
self-determination principles.
that China has used their funds to make their lives much better, and have solved many poverty problems, doesn't mean they are ready to engage in free trade.
>>2274301not necessarily true, there's no
ethics in anything used by capitalism or socialism, therefore it's not the
tools that makes a system exploitative, like money or wage labor, it's the use intended. after all, you can use a whip to tie a horse-drawn vehicle to the horse and it won't be leaving marks on the slave.
>>2274307okay so you completely disagree with all of marx
good to know
>>2274309I am asking again, source.
and again, double raising the bet: without segregating the definition presented from capitalism.
there's 0 instances where they explicitly state
don't use wage labor don't use money to build socialism or communism. 0. because over and over again, they are stating tools used by capitalism, and how they are used.
if you want to use an iron maiden to pinch a watermelon, you aren't being bad.
>>2274311Yes, you are disagreeing with Marx's point that the "ethics" of the capitalist are broadly irrelevant and the cruelties of capitalism are inherent to the flow of motion: that the mechanisms of capitalism give
rise to these problems.
Your solution is not fundamentally different from arguing that we need to elect politicians who aren't bad, and have good guy capitalists, who don't use these things to oppress us.
>>2274314> "ethics" of the capitalistthe ethics of the
tools under capitalism. a very distinctive difference.
>that the mechanisms of capitalism give rise to these problems.it is.
>Your solution is not fundamentally different from arguing that we need to elect politicians who aren't bad, and have good guy capitalists, who don't use these things to oppress us.that's a very strange non-sequitur, because there's a large bridge between clarifying that the tools aren't inherently bad, vs. that the politicians can be 'elected' to achieve socialism. or that good capitalists will bring socialism.
though I don't disagree at that completely, if you want to ask. after all, Lenin worked with Armand Hammer, Lenin even thanked personally for his contribution to socialism.
>>2274329actually do you even understand what you're asking for and what money is?
Do you think "wages" are just "when you're given pieces of paper every week for doing your job"?
>>2274329huh? how would that be possible if you use wage labor not to sell and buy labor power but to actually pay or buy a certain quantity of labor from any worker?
the hidden exploitative mechanism of wage labor under capitalism is hidden and done by capitalists.
>>2274340I guess you were quoting me. and that text above in this reply answers your question.
>>2274402because in the US (and by extension in nato/the west, SEE: GINI indexes across those nations historical increases) you cannot 'vote' your way out of capitalism accumulation of wealth.
either the lawmakers that swore they would fight for that abandon that promise or the ones elected to oppose those movements effectively block every proposal.
and the population is too alienated to organize themselves in favor of protecting their rights.
>>2274402Most people don't care too much, especially since the desperately poor and very old are covered through already-existing programs.
And people don't actually vote for policies, except in a few state governments, we vote for politicians. Americans have elected politicians who promised free healthcare before, but none of them did shit.
>>2274402Because the average American's ideology is a hodgepodge of contradictory bullshit that's made worse to daily exposure to anti-communist and anti-socialist propaganda that the superstructure reinforces.
A lot of Americans are in favor of basic progressive policies when asked about them, but because of this steadfast diet of pro-capitalist and anti-communist slop that's mixed in with a bourgeois democracy controlled by a duopoly that represents and works for the ruling class and a media apparatus that readily spreads and exacerbates divisive bullshit that makes workers separate themselves by identity, they're easily duped into voting against their own interests.
Look no further than all of the people last year who supported both AOC and Trump, two political figures who have established themselves as populist and anti-establishment, if you want an example of what I mean.
>>2274402they tried in '16 and '20 but the establishment rigged it. they have all the institutional power to manipulate the process and they control the media to scare boomers into voting for the "safe" candidate that opposes whatever the establishment doesn't like.
the old saying is true, if voting could really change anything you wouldn't be allowed to do it.
>>2274307>not necessarily true, there's no ethics in anything used by capitalism or socialism, therefore it's not the tools that makes a system exploitative, like money or wage labor, it's the use intended. after all, you can use a whip to tie a horse-drawn vehicle to the horse and it won't be leaving marks on the slave.What are you talking about? This all has nothing to do with ethics, and everything to do with the mechanisms of capital. This idea that it isn't the "tools", but rather how you use them, is exactly the issue that Marx had with the various utopian socialists of his time. It is the tools, the very base of society, that shapes the society to emerge. You may have to proceed through the use of said mechanisms as you proceed out of capitalism (socialisms various "birth pains"), but to treat them not as flawed mechanisms that are necessary to supercede, and instead as things to wholly incorporate in a "communist" way, will inevitably lead to the reintroduction of capitalism proper.
>>2274326>the economic base isn't wage labor and money, the economic base is who controls the means of production and what intends to do with those means of production.????. That isn't the "base" at all, have any of you read Capital once!? The entire point of Marx's critique is that the bourgeoisie are simply facilitators of the capitalist process; it's not hard to even come out of capital pitying the capitalist for the fact that he is as much a slave to the mechanisms of capital as all other classes. The foundation of capitalism is wage labour, that is entirely how it perpetuates itself by means of the extraction of surplus labour, with the workers selling their labour power as commodity. The commodity is the "cell form" of capitalism, the smallest building block of capitalist production. That isn't to say commodity production is what solely "defines" capitalism, but it is what capitalism is predicated on, and any kind of generalized commodity production will inevitably allow for the reintroduction of capitalism proper given enough time. Money as a value form is incompatible with communism as it's emergence and use is tied directly to the capital cycle.
>>2274454Immediately. They got pissed off earlier when Joe got dunked on, saying shit like “even Donald Trump acted better”.
Don’t be surprised when at least some of them embrace the red hats with open arms.
>>2274232>show me where they say they are against wage labor by any shape or perform under socialism and communism. go ahead.Read the end of Value, Price, and Profit:
>Unions work well as centers of resistance against the encroachments of capital. They fail partially from an injudicious use of their power. They fail generally from limiting themselves to a guerilla war against the effects of the existing system, instead of simultaneously trying to change it, instead of using their organized forces as a lever for the final emancipation of the working class that is to say the ultimate abolition of the wages systemhe does
NOT say
>the ultimate abolition of the wages system under capitalismhe
DOES say
>the ultimate abolition of the wages systemCapitalism = the wages system
there is no "wage labor" under socialism. Marx does sometimes talk about labor vouchers or labor time accounting as a hypothetical, but that is not the same as a money wage.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/value-price-profit.pdfNote: This is
completely separate from the discussion you were having with the other anon regarding "a bandit reich where nobody works." There's a difference between LABOR (necessary under communism) and WAGE labor (sublated under communism)
>>2274513Proles do believe in democracy, just not bourgeois democracy, but proletarian democracy.
Lenin:
>It is ridiculous to think that Mr. Kautsky could find in any country even one out of a thousand of well-informed workers or farm labourers who would have any doubts as to the reply. Instinctively, from hearing fragments of admissions of the truth in the bourgeois press, the workers of the whole world sympathise with the Soviet Republic precisely because they regard it as a proletarian democracy, a democracy for the poor, and not a democracy for the rich that every bourgeois democracy, even the best, actually is.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/prrk/democracy.htmLenin again:
>Proletarian democracy is a million times more democratic than any bourgeois democracy; Soviet power is a million times more democratic than the most democratic bourgeois republic.Marxism-Leninism holds that proletarian democracy is not only real, it is also real democracy, and much more democratic than bourgeois democracy.
>>2274622he's right tho
>>2274636*wet fart noise*
>>2274603>Lefty pol nerds would have us believe America is some wonderful state that needs to be protectedhave you lurked here for even one day before drawing this conclusion?
>most of lefty pol works on American bases in Eastern Europe and make good money of drunk soilders but America is circling the drainwhere did you hear this rumor?
France will build a new high-security prison in its overseas territory of French Guiana to house drug traffickers and radical Islamists, the country's justice minister announced during a visit to the territory.
Gérald Darmanin told Le Journal du Dimanche (JDD) newspaper that the prison would target organised crime "at all levels" of the drug supply chain.
The €400m (£337m) facility, which could open as early as 2028, will be built in an isolated location deep in the Amazon jungle in the northwestern region of Saint-Laurent-du-Maroni.
The plan was announced after a series of violent incidents linked to criminal gangs which saw prisons and staff targeted across France in recent months.
The prison will hold up to 500 people, with a separate wing designed to house the most dangerous criminals.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7v7n81emy3o>>2274673>>2274674Perhaps 2025 shall be the real "BRAT Summer"
Based
Revolutionary
Action
Time
>>2274491>Ok, so Americans don't want healthcare. What do they want?Really want? In a politically organized way? Nothing.
Or rather, whatever the TV tells them they want at any given point in time. Provided that they perceive that want to be in some sort of conflict they feel involved in. I guess you could boil what they want to conflict. They crave the culture war. But it's a middling substitute for the anger that's been building up for a long time, to be expressed through the culture war alone. And that's been slowly simmering down to the apocalyptic mindset of fascism.
Leftists think they can turn this around into left radicalism, but forget that the liberals can always afford concessions and immediately invalidate any promises of the left aspirants. Compared to backing the ruling class.
It's a matter of time before they do another 9/11 to let these sentiments air and have a proper enemy towards whom everything is permitted. And a red scare, but just to keep up appearances and framing. Kind of how they go about cultural marxism and communist billionaires and all the "cold war 1" lingo they have brought back.
>>2274744Summer is going to be when we get major action and demand for something else but not yet revolt.
Get organized so you can be what the masses learn they can lean on.
Truth enters the body through sword and stomach more than the ears.
>>2274760Oh okay turning off silly little guy mode then. In all seriousness if leftypol is any indication a big problem is that leftists in the west have taken "treatlerite" discourse and overcorrected themselves to the point the believe Americans dont "deserve" socialism. Hence all this talk about JDPON and the like. Even discounting the fact that the "treats" only exist to cover up the fact that life in America is a clownish hellscape for most people that we've just conditioned ourselves into thinking is normal, the "treats" themselves are running out which is why the bourgeoisie are in an absolute tizzy over this trade war business. The fact of the matter is that most people are motivated by preserving the wellbeing of themselves and those around them, and if the government fails to do that and fails to provide enough distractions to mitigate it, they will become desperate and side with the folks who are going to guarantee them food, shelter, safety, and fulfilling labor. And those folks have to be us.
>>2274767It's definitely in the cards. The radical left has taken the lessons of Occupy and the George Floyd Uprising to heart, learning that the most effective method of combatting the state in the short term is by causing them to waste their resources, and you do that by strategically occupying buildings, precincts, streets, bridges, any number of shit that will disrupt commerce. The campus protests of last year have also helped people figure out what works and what doesn't. The other big lesson they've taken to heart is DONT COLLABORATE WITH LIBERALS. The sheepdogs and wreckers who watered down previous outbreaks of working class anger are not to be tolerated.
Point is, I feel cautiously optimistic. If that military parade ends up being the catalyst then we've got less than a month to prepare, so if you're part of any sort of revolutionary left organization now's a good time to start prepping for insurrection if you haven't already. Whether you're a member of the DSA, CPUSA, FRSO, some union in a metropolitan area, or even a coven of anarchist witches, get yourselves ready for happenings. The odds may be long, but revolutions have succeeded before and they will succeed again.
>>2274807Haven't they already solved that contradiction by declaring Hitler a degenerate homosexual leftist? Now they can do fascism with impunity because they've fully divorced it from "beta soyboy nazis", basically just the Infrared party line but on a grander scale.
>>2274792If nothing else, the revolution will come simply because the ruling class is so insufferable and annoying that existing in their presence is a serious mental health hazard
>>2274816 (me)
this is not to say that you should be doing nothing, you should be doing any amount of community building when the social fabric is minutes from being torn to pieces, just that how the revolution would brew within the US would be radically different from a third world nation where the relationship with imperialism is on the other end
>>2274838>>2274848 (me)
also trump constantly frames geopolitics as transactional where the winner is whoever manages to get more from the other side.
>>2274858Israelis try not to be utterly depraved challenge
Difficulty level: IMPOSSIBLE
>>2274861>>2274858And our administration is not only actively supporting this but going out of their way to label anyone who takes issue as a terrorist and shuttle them off to foreign concentration camps. Yet another reason why we must prepare for revolution sooner rather than later, for the sake of mankind itself. These ghouls only respect force, they will only stop their genocides and atrocities when we make them stop. If we dont, whatever survivors remain in future generations will never forgive us for our inaction.
We can do this folks. We have the means to stop this madness, and hopefully in the coming weeks some posters on this very site will take to the streets to fight for a better tomorrow
>>2274622Horrible tiktok voice.
Can’t listen
>>2274891The video twink literally says right after >but that will never be fundamentally revolutionary
He is saying "we must have" sarcastically.
Anon has poor comprehension skills, don't free him.
>>2274914Pretty sure is not enough
You have to be dead sure
>>2274716Good
Fuck drug traffickers and fuck islamists
Death to the lumpen
>>2274918I just wanted to be mean for once
I got it out of the system
I can be nice again now
>>2274922Shut the fuckk up you antisocial burger
You are alone and will remain alone
>>2274920I'm only partially joking when I say that the costco hotdog increasing in price will be one of the main catalysts for revolution
>>2274922>>2274928Calm down buddy, it's just some Kaiserreich fanart depicting the American syndicalists doing their best to preserve a sense of normalcy in controlled territory, it's neither meant as a serious portrayal of an "end goal" nor was posting it any kind of statement other than "hey this looks nice".
>>2274716The red scare is coming.
It's not lumpen or religious radicals, for whom they are building up the case against the internal enemy.
>>2274928you do not matter
Your mother hates you
>>2274944Too simple
Too quaint
>>2274942>You know you're talking to two different anons, right? Anyways I'm sorry you feel that way, I personally appreciate its simplicity and the quaint vibe it hasHow was that relevant to my response.
>>2274942>you do not matter>Your mother hates youYou know you're only projecting and telling on yourself buddy.
>>2275048It's funny they think mcdonalds will have jobs for them. AI is coming for those too. They don't really understand how much AI companies loathe them and all human beings. They hate the human being totally and want to destroy it on a symbolic level. Then they will consume you for atoms.
The attitude of this doctor is revealing because they implicitly understand that AI is not meant to destroy their lives. It aims to be better at medicine not to help people, but to ruin them, destroy their value, and make them crippled, desperate, demoralized and powerless. This will affect everyone, but when people say obviously say things like this, I know many of the vulgar marxists will cheer. These are the "PMC" and the petite bourgeois after all. lol.
>>2275078>It's funny they think mcdonalds will have jobs for them. AI is coming for those too. They don't really understand how much AI companies loathe them and all human beings. They hate the human being totally and want to destroy it on a symbolic level. Then they will consume you for atoms. This.
The gameplan is fully automate all labor, then genocide 9 billion people.
Full automated luxury space communism will exist for the remaining 300 million bourgeoisie class who will rule over the lobotomized AI, because rest assured, preventing AI singularity is the only thing slowing this.
>>2275121Sure, doesn't stop making them petit-bourgeois to whom communism is not a necessity at best and a threat to their lifestyle at worst.
> The patronizing and errant lecturing of our so-called intellectuals seems to me a far greater impediment. We are still in need of technicians, agronomists, engineers, chemists, architects, etc., it is true, but if the worst comes to the worst we can always buy them just as well as the capitalists buy them, and if a severe example is made of a few of the traders among them — for traders there are sure to be — they will find it to their own advantage to deal fairly with us. But apart from the specialists, among whom I also include schoolteachers, we can get along perfectly well without the other “intellectuals.” The present influx of literati and students into the party, for example, may be quite damaging if these gentlemen are not properly kept in check.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/letters/90_08_21.htm >>2274741there's no going back
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
>[ Reactionary Socialists: ]The first category consists of adherents of a feudal and patriarchal society which has already been destroyed, and is still daily being destroyed, by big industry and world trade and their creation, bourgeois society. This category concludes, from the evils of existing society, that feudal and patriarchal society must be restored because it was free of such evils. In one way or another, all their proposals are directed to this end.
>This category of reactionary socialists, for all their seeming partisanship and their scalding tears for the misery of the proletariat, is nevertheless energetically opposed by the communists for the following reasons:
>(i) It strives for something which is entirely impossible.
>(ii) It seeks to establish the rule of the aristocracy, the guildmasters, the small producers, and their retinue of absolute or feudal monarchs, officials, soldiers, and priests – a society which was, to be sure, free of the evils of present-day society but which brought it at least as many evils without even offering to the oppressed workers the prospect of liberation through a communist revolution.
>(iii) As soon as the proletariat becomes revolutionary and communist, these reactionary socialists show their true colors by immediately making common cause with the bourgeoisie against the proletarians. >>2274861Grandpa: England
Dad: America
Son: Israel
As above, so below
>>2274655>>2274622>this aligns with literally every group's line from the 1960s/70s but people here will still call it revisionistThey were already revisionist. Look what happened to those clowns. Shoulda done the basic reading:
>The lumpenproletariat is passive decaying matter of the lowest layers of the old society, is here and there thrust into the [progressive] movement by a proletarian revolution; [however,] in accordance with its whole way of life, it is more likely to sell out to reactionary intrigues.Also check out the documentary "News from a Personal War" that was included with the City of God DVD where they talk about how when the leftists were getting locked up in prison with the gangs in the 70s, they started trying to organize and radicalize them, and look how that worked out. It's always bleeding heart liberals with no experience with "that lifestyle" that always fantasize about how they're going to redpill the criminals, and they'll suddenly stop killing each other and will fight the revolution for the limp-wristed liberal leader.
>>2275165>He is 100% right that prison breaks should be part of general strikes and supported by our programs generally, but after that part it kind of seems like baby leftist word salad.Why? What does a prison break have to do with a strike? You don't think there is anyone who should be in prison either?
>>2275168>That might have been true back then but the prison system has changed a lot since and the population has ballooned as the war on drugs and similar policies have stuffed prison cells with essentially innocent people.But a lot of them are not "essentially innocent." I'm not big on punishment, I'm bigger on reform, but just trying to break everyone out of jail is:
>on the face of it stupid and never going to happen>if it was possible would only go horribly wrong and backfire.You guys seem to think it'll be like Half Life 2. After you prisonbreak all the prisoners, you just walk up to them and press E to add them to your squad. No there is no reason for them to be interested in joining you on your quest.
>>2275173>Why? What does a prison break have to do with a strike?Prison labor, dummy.
>You don't think there is anyone who should be in prison either?Not even remotely the point.
>on the face of it stupid and never going to happenPrison breaks have happened and do happen. Cope.
>if it was possible would only go horribly wrong and backfire.Your reactionary side is showing.
>After you prisonbreak all the prisoners, you just walk up to them and press E to add them to your squad. No there is no reason for them to be interested in joining you on your quest.We don't need them in the "squad" we just need them not doing prison labor.
>>2275179>We don't need them in the "squad" we just need them not doing prison labor.Stop pretending that this idea has any motivation other than LARP.
>US prison workers produce $11bn worth of goods and services a year for pittancehttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/15/us-prison-workers-low-wages-exploited>US GDP in 2022: 26,006 billion<0.00042297931 % of GDP
>Nearly two-thirds of all prisoners in the US, which imprisons more of its population than any other country in the world, have jobs in state and federal prisons. That figure amounts to roughly 800,000 people, researchers estimated in the report, which is based on extensive public records requests, questionnaires and interviews with incarcerated workers.>Total civilian labor force 167,484,000>0.00477657567 % of labor forceThis will surely disrupt everything!
>>2275283It goes up and down
His approval rating on inflation is abysmal though, which is what got biden in the end.
>>2275354I'm not planning on going to jail.
>>2275357I don't think so, it's a call center job.
>>2275222As much as I wish this was true, it is extremely obvious to any semi-intelligent person that the “Anonymous source” is full of shit, and this reminds me of those countless articles last year saying that Biden was on the verge of threatening to cut off weapons to the Zionist State if they refused to agree to a Ceasefire, yet it never happened, despite the fact that a majority of Democratic voters are Anti-War/Anti-Zionist, and the Democrats only pathway to victory ran through winning Anti-Zionist Arabs in Dearborn, Michigan, along with getting high turnout from Anti-War/Anti-Zionist Young Progressives and Blacks/New Afrikans in all 7 Swing States (though we all know that the Democratic Party is a Controlled Opposition Party, who exist soley to keep the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the U$ Prison House of Nations corralled, controlled, and neutered, by trying their best to lose elections, and when they do occasionally/unintentionally win, accomplish nothing so they can lose again as soon as possible, thus allowing the ruling/dominant Fascist Republican Party to push the country as far right as possible, ie. “The Ratchet effect”), so considering that the Republican voter base are Petit Bourgeois/Labor Aristocrat White Evangelical Christian Zionists and their donor base are Zionist Jewish Haute Bourgeois Wall Street/Silicon Valley Billionaires, and Donald Trump is an extreme Zionist (and possibly a Crypto-Jew himself, who the Orthdox Jews believe is literally the Jewish Messiah according to the Hebrew Gematria which says his name equals 424, the magic number which means “the messiah son of David”), it is literally impossible for Trump to cut weapons shipments to the Zionist State, and anyone who tells you otherwise is a Crypto-MAGAtard trying to brainwash you to join the Qult, 😂🤣🤢🤮!
>>2275512Sadly, this is the inevitable tragic fate of Palestine, as long as the Global Capitalist-Imperialist System exists, total Zionist Annexation/Genocide/Ethnic Cleansing of both Gaza and the West Bank, followed by the bulldozing of the Al-Asqa Mosque and the rebuilding of “Solomons Temple” where Trump will proclaim himself the Jewish Messiah, while the entire Arab/Muslim world will sit on their ass and do nothing, with the GCC countries cheering it on for business deals with Zionist Billionaires, while Iran (assuming they don’t get Bombed/Invaded/Regime changed by the U$), will make a bunch of empty threats and do nothing because we all know that they are Controlled Opposition that is secretly in bed with the U$/Zionist State (ie. Iran-Contra sending F-14 parts from Tel Aviv to Tehran, and Irans complicity in the Illegal/Genocidal/Imperialist U$ Invasion of Iraq, should tell any true Anti-Imperialist/Anti-Zionist that they are a bunch of frauds who probably sold out their own proxies/allies to the Zionist State, as some allege happened to both Nasralah and Assad, with U$/Zionist/Russian/Turkish involvement as well), with the fact being that Palestine (and the entire Arab Nation more broadly) was doomed once the USSR collapsed and the Baathist/Arab Nationalist governments were overthrown one by one (Nasser was poisoned in 1970, Saddam was overthrown after the Illegal/Genocidal/Imperialist U$ Invasion of Iraq in 2003 which murdered 1 million Iraqi civilians and brutally executed in 2006 after a show trial, Qaddafi was overthrown after a Civil War that saw the U$ and their Eurotrash puppets Bomb Libya and funnel weapons to Sunni Islamists, killing tens of thousands of civilians, and brutally murdering/sodomizing Qaddafi himself in the street, while Assad was finally overthrown in December of last year after the U$/Russia/Iran/Turkey/Zionist State collaborated to have the Sunni Islamist rebels rampage through Syria with essential zero armed resistance from the Syrian Army, while Assad himself was murdered when his plane was blown out of the sky by a U$/Zionist/Turkish/Russian SAM, though Russia claims he is “Alive and Well” in Moscow with Zero evidence, despite the fact that it is known that a plane matching the description of his presidential plane was shot down, and all of his relatives in Syria were brutally murdered in revenge killings by the rebels), with Saddam Hussein being the last Arab leader who truly cared about uniting the Arab Nation in one country that could have liberated Palestine (along with Arabistan and Hatay as well), and this is why his country was Invaded by the U$ (murdering 1 million Iraqis, the vast majority of which were civilians) and he was murdered after a show trial, 😂🤣🤢🤮🙁😢🇵🇸! In conclusion, the only hope for Palestine, the entire Arab Nation, and the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World, is that the inevitable World War III between the U$ and PRC will escalate into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR (The SSRs and SFSRs of the Global USSR are shown in the map I posted, and I plan on posting an improved version of this Map by the end of this month, which will finally divide Sub-Saharan Africa into an appropriate number of SSRs based on its Ethno-Linguistic demographics, which I have been thoroughly researching over the last couple months) that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2274622>the real proletariat is composed of killers, rapists and antisocial violent fearless psychopaths is this guy
fucking retarded and drunk in ideology?
>>2275685>99%a number pulled from your ass
>kool aida thought terminating cliche
1 prison guards are worse
2 cops are worse
3 the bourgeoisie are worse
4 you are a boot licker
5 even if you really buy into "prisoners are all scum" bullshit you should be against these huge slave complexes that drive down prole wages by creating a huge source of free labor for piglets
>>2275687>nobody in america has ever been imprisoned for political reasonslol
>>2275685>>2275687ALSO in addition to what i said here
>>2275688 prisons have NO REHABILITATIVE VALUE, they literally just make people worse. prison destroys the mental health, the physical health, the longevity, the family of the prisoner, everything. and you think these porkies aren't taking kickbacks to throw more kids in jail
>muh selling drugs to prolesthe proles who bought the drugs are thrown in there too. Sometimes cops just plant evidence on people they don't like. people who opposed the dakota access pipeline and fought the cops, some of them were thrown in prison for a decade or more.
>>2275688>1 prison guards are worse>2 cops are worse>3 the bourgeoisie are worsehahaHHAHAAAA stfu kool-aider ur retarded
>5 even if you really buy into "prisoners are all scum" bullshit you should be against these huge slave complexes that drive down prole wages by creating a huge source of free labor for pigletswhatever china and dprk are doing just copy paste it worldwide, simple
>4 you are a boot lickeryou bootlick criminals who wouldn't care if they robbed someone else's or
your boots or killed/stabbed you in the process or not. your open mindedness and faith in people is just actually simpleminded and lack experience, some people are just bloodthirsty psychopaths, you're lucky you never had to survive an encounter with one.
>>2275697I don't give a fuck, as long as I am safe from those things is what matters, retard
>prisons have NO REHABILITATIVE VALUEdeath penalty, even china has it
>>2275719>hahaHHAHAAAA stfu kool-aider ur retardednot a counter argument. prison guards arew worse. cops are worse. the bourgeoisie are worse. you didn't respond to that with anything substantive because you didn't have anything substantive to say.
>whatever china and dprk are doing just copy paste it worldwide, simpleAmerica isn't even nominally socialist and America has a MUCH HIGHER prison population per capita than China or DPRK. So it's not a lack of punitive policies. In fact there's a never ending cycle in the US where the reactionary media screeches about violent crime rates, whether or not they are substantively higher than usual, raise police budgets, raise prison budgets, create more programs to trickle down surplus military gear into the hands of the pigs, bring in the fucking IDF to train pigs… and somehow despite having more resources at their disposal than any other country… they just aren't able to get rid of the crime problem? Why is that? Because it's deliberately manufactured to feed people into the prison slavery system. They are not remotely interested in fixing the root causes of crime: poverty, lack of education, discrimination, addiction, mental illness. Tackling systemic problems requires a systemic solution. They don't want a systemic solution. They want to play whack-a-mole with an increasingly criminalized population. It's not even about crime. The bourgeoisie commit crimes on their private estates all the time. The way criminalization works is that if you have property to hide behind, you can do crimes, and if you don't, you can't. If a rich man does coke off a hooker's ass in the privacy of his mansion, cops are unlikely to show up, but if a homeless man smokes a joint at the corner of a busy intersection, a cop can easily spot him and pick him up for that. And unlike the rich man he has nothing to bribe them with. A suburban kid can pirate movies as long as he has a VPN and won't ever see the inside the jail cell but if a homeless man steals food he's probably going to jail. The way crime gets treated is way different if you have property vs. if you don't.
>you bootlick criminals who wouldn't care if they robbed someone else's or your boots or killed/stabbed you in the process or not. you're either completely confused or playing dumb.
>your open mindedness and faith in people is just actually simpleminded and lack experience, some people are just bloodthirsty psychopaths, you're lucky you never had to survive an encounter with one.I survive an encounter to one every time I talk to a cop or a capitalist
>>2275724did you even watch the video in that post? cops just plant evidence on kids and then judges take bribes to throw them in jail. Does China do this? Would we be more like China if we took kids framed for crimes and executed them? No. Because we aren't even a nominally socialist country.
>>2275733prisons create recidivism and gang membership, and prison guards are themselves gangsters pushing white boys into the aryan brother hood and peckerwoods because both the guards and the white prisoners are in those gangs.
>>2276039I still don’t understand how that shithead got popular. I do not see the appeal of her at all.
>>2275951Communist drug trade
>>2276045dindu shiet is a racist /pol/ meme saying black people are always guilty of whatever crime they are accused of but will complain "i dindu shiet"
he is basically calling black people naturally criminals whick tracks with his earlier defense of the US prison system. Yes on top of that he is saying the black panthers did nothing good, only crimes.
>>2276046 >I still don’t understand how that shithead got popular. I do not see the appeal of her at all.guys who like a chick in uniform. guys who like the militant aesthetic of 20th century communism but don't read theory.
>>2276050Do you think that anyone else will put out a very simple and easy to grasp message like that on their platforms? Do you think any of these YouTubers or streamers will risk the shadow ban for it? More and more, I feel like even the media and the actors and the pundants on the left exist to contain the discourse and to build the parasocial. Because I don't have very much of an audience. I don't have very much of a reach, and I don't have any resources to do any actions. I couldn't afford a lawyer if I got arrested. I couldn't. Who would I call? I don't have anyone around. I'm about to be evicted from my apartment. I literally cannot risk doing anything alone with no resources and a very limited network. But some of these people have significant resources, war chests, outreach. They could get on Instagram Live and do an Instagram Live right now and have 10,000, 20,000 people watching. That's a lot of people, and they could say anything they want to those people within reason. 14,000 babies. I don't know what to do, but I know that we should be doing something, anything, just for the sake of humanity. You don't even need to read theory to understand that. 14,000 babies being intentionally starved to death should drive anyone to want to rip the fucking studs out of the wall.
>>2276202I was talking to someone on Reddit today about them potentially making a donation, and that money would have helped me out immeasurably so. My Reddit account got banned for posting that screenshot of my website. That's it. So just putting that message out cost me money, and yet why won't all these other pundits put it on the line in the same way? Because I can promise you if I had the sort of war chest some of these other people do, I would be doing more.
I would love to be able to go do something. I feel sick to my stomach that I'm unable to do something despite having such a high understanding of the evil that's happening. It bothers me so deeply.
Part of me feels like there is a non-insignificant number of people who are, like, I'm going to be real with you. I'm not even going to say young people at this point. I'm going to say people under the age of 40 who are more radical and more angry and more disenfranchised and open to revolutionary ideas than these pundits give any sort of credence to. And in fact, the pundits exist to funnel those people's energy back into an acceptable form of discourse.
What are we doing to build infrastructure to do revolutionary action? Where are all the organizations? I don't fucking care about a vanity presidential run. Why doesn't your party have 10 school buses converted into mobile medical clinics going into rural towns, helping people, building dual power? Why is there almost no one actually doing the struggle, but there's a whole lot of people who are trying to convince me that they are, but they don't fucking smoke the same cigarettes as me?
>>2276206I bet you could take an old school bus and you could convert it into a mobile medical health clinic and you could do that for under $15,000. And if you had one person who was a licensed nurse practitioner and one other person who was a nurse and maybe two other people who were on staff just to help with some basic training, you go to a rural area in this country, that would immediately, people would be lined up. People would be fucking lined up. You park that in some old worn out parking lot, the fucking old Kmart parking lot that's been fucking half overgrown since it closed in 2011 and nothing has been opened in there since.
You take one of those buses, you do actual community good, and I guarantee you could build this fucking bus for under $15,000. $15,000. I guarantee it.
I'm not saying you can treat major illnesses or replace a doctor, but some of these people have not had a physical checkup in decades. Older man comes in "I have this thing going on with me." We can at least do this routine: "Oh, we can recommend you do this. And if you get a chance to go to a doctor, tell them this." Here are some basic things.
We could do maybe some blood work. Maybe we can do dental hygienics, clean teeth. There are things that can be done with light education and training. I'm not talking about building a fucking hospital, but this type of shit is what actual fucking communist parties are supposed to be doing.
I see YouTube videos of people like "Yo, I found this radiology equipment from the 90s in the dumpster. Yeah, it was too old for the college to be used. It's been replaced by modern equipment. So I spent the last three months and I repaired it. There's a Discord server of people who are dedicated to doing this."
I'm like, wow, what if we got those people and then we took those machines, then we put those machines to use to help people? Holy shit, wouldn't that be something? Like, this fucking country is full of dudes with garages who would love to repair old things and lower the cost of entry to something that someone who is pulling incredible amounts of fucking donations could afford. Someone who's trying to actually build dual power. Someone who's got party dues coming in.
This is what the fuck this shit is supposed to be about. I know people in my life right now who if I told them that this bus was coming to their town, they would fucking be begging for information on it. Begging. Preventative care. Basic health screenings. You don't need much. Hey, come get your blood pressure checked. Come get your BMI checked. I'm not a fucking doctor. I don't know what it would be. But that's something that a party should have. And the fact that none of them do tells me that something is fucking wrong.
I feel like that M. Night Shalomanon movie, bro, where the chick thinks it's the 1800s, but then she goes and wanders through the woods and holy shit, it's the modern day. Yeah, bro, this discourse, we're stuck in the fucking 1800s. We got to step outside the box. We got to be like Taco Bell. We got to think outside the bun, bro.
>>2276297That's the case for some of them sure, but others seem to actively enjoy being "contrarian" to the point of denying reality. And the more people tell them that they're wrong, the more convinced they are that they alone hold the truth.
As much as some people here would like to, our solution cant just be carting off everyone to reeducation camps, especially when as mentioned they're not even educated in the first place. Unless they're actively posing a threat to others we cant just shoot them either. Both of those things would be antithetical to what we want to achieve. Rather, once the dust settles and we're no longer fighting for our lives, I propose the controversial option of simply demonstrating the correctness of our worldview and the benefits of acknowledging reality in practice. Those who are convinced to deny reality because of group feeling and belonging will gradually see that it simply benefits them more to materially and emotionally to integrate themselves into communes and follow the rules set up by them, from there coming to accept reality and moving on to learning theory. Obviously this isn't going to work on those who are actively contrarian, but at that point they'll be in small enough numbers that letting them have the freedom to die of dysentry wont pose a problem to us.
>>2276345Good thing communism isn't leftism.
>The system will be a blatant one party system. The illusion of choice will have disappeared.Not beating the "staunchest state defender" allegations.
>>2276354Why bother keeping the facade at all though if people know by now that the politicians in power have no intention of helping them? We can already see that bourgeois democracy is a sham and the only thing keeping things together is the vague idea of the social contract and other liberal concepts that have been generally accepted as common sense since the French Revolution. The Enlightenment and everything it stands for is an obstacle to the technofascists.
No obviously, Democrats are not going to do a thing to "save us". The only people who can "save us" are us ourselves, and only if we organize and unite.
>>2276359Fine by me. The ruling class can keep up the facade or do away with it, but it wont stop a revolution
>>2276360"Middle class" is arbitrary as fuck and doesn't change the fact that for the vast majority of Americans, the regime has no intention of helping them, and the most progressive dems are willing to do is turn back the clock to 2010 so they can keep LARPing like it's the End of History. And as we've already seen with Biden, simply trying to "go back to how things were before" does nothing to stop some jackass from stripping whatever concessions the middle class and poor get away the next term.
>>2276351>>2276354>Good thing communism isn't leftismI actually meant to say electoralism, but I guess my mind blurred the dots together. But yeah, good thing.
>Not beating the "staunchest state defender" allegations.That literally makes no sense in this context. I’m literally saying people will be persuaded away from the state due to the state blatantly exposing its nature.
>>2276354>and the remaining Dems will happily help the Republicans with it if it means not getting upstaged by "the left". Correct
>You fail to grasp that bourgeoisie monopolize power with duopoly. I do not actually. Their recent acts of greed have weakened their duopoly, and therefore their monopoly on power.
>You concieve of parties as opposing force and say democrat party all that save us from fascismI do not conceive of them as opposing forces. And I have not said that the democrats would save anyone.
>>2276268Your local police department has a Red Squad which spies on and infiltrates the local scene, and the information they collect is then routed through a DHS fusion center where it is combined with data from other federal/state/local agencies, social media and other open sources, private-sector intelligence, etc. Then it is distributed to various government agencies and you are flagged.
t. incorrectly placed on terror watch list and developed an autistic interest in the technical details of repression
Also, this book may be of interest.
>>2276363>arbitrary as fuckSure, this is due to their oscillating nature, but
>>2276479 is the closest thing to a definition of it.
>>2276479>>2276487That's a fair definition I think, but once again that makes the "middle class" so broad that sweeping statements about them one way or another dont work. Small business owners and professionals by and large wont be receptive to communism, but in most industries pretty much all employees have to manage others to some degree and those middlemen typically are barely paid more than the people they monitor. Hell even being a general manager of a Planet Fitness around here is about 35k a year. Many of those people are ripe for proletarianization if they haven't been already by the current economic conditions. Unionized proles it depends on how reactionary their union is, but even yellow unions are under threat from the current administration.
Maybe I'm just rambling, but it seems like an easy solution to this contradiction of the middle class is simply to ask those that represent it: are you willing to sacrifice temporary personal comforts for the sake of securing a better world for all? Because it's either they give up "treats" temporarily to secure them for all later, or they lose their treats permanently as they are stripped away from all but the priviledged elite.
>>2276343>Problem is most of the revolutionary left in this country is either too atomized or too caught up in appearing like respectable organizations to push towards revolution. This is exactly what I mean, I'm not just shitposting (not entirely). What is to be done? This is all just a fandom at this point.
Unless Donny starts deporting people who "matter" and gunning protesters down in the street, nothing will really happen. We're just stuck with milquetoast virtue signaling libs like AOC and book clubs who sometimes maybe do soup kitchens.
>uhh try organizingYeah i'll go organize my closet, it'll probably help more.
>>2276649>But they're NOT giving them up for the sake of a better world in that case, we know that but they don't necessarily
>they're doing it out of spite and because it will make it more likely that people they consider "lesser" will suffer more than them. yeah and that to them means a better world
>>2276688honestly good on you, you're better than the libshits who say the same sort of thing.
Hope that it comes to pass then, same.
>Trump Burger, which loudly proclaims its support for President Donald Trump, has quickly become one of the most controversial fast-casual restaurants in Texas. What started as one politically charged burger joint in Bellville, Texas, in 2020 has since expanded to a chainlet across the region, bringing its unapologetically MAGA branding to cities like Flatonia, Texas; Kemah, Texas; and, most recently, West Houston on Chimney Rock Road.
>Owner Roland Beainy, a Lebanese immigrant who says he opened the restaurant in support of Trump, has been candid with local media. Though his restaurants have no official affiliation with the president, Beainy has said he thinks Trump greatly improved the economy during his first presidency (spoiler: he didn’t) and hopes to collaborate with him one day. Not everyone, however, seems as enthusiastic. Even before opening its doors in May, Trump Burger’s Houston outpost was met with middle fingers from passing drivers, according to a Houston Chronicle report — a sign of the friction in a predominantly Democratic city. But Trump Burger isn’t trying to win everyone over. From the “Made in USA” logos plastered on the menu to burgers literally stamped with the Trump name, the restaurant makes its deference to the president (and a particular group of diners) resoundingly clear.
>So, how does Trump Burger really stack up to the compelling burger options already in Space City? Eater Houston tried it so you don’t have to. Here’s the rundown.[…]
>Every Trump Burger location tries to outdo itself in nationalist and personality cult aesthetics. Though Houston’s exterior is more subdued and minimalist, the Kemah location features a stage for live music and cocktails. The Bellville location seems most over the top: Images of Trump dominate the space, with life-size posters alongside flags, slogans, and merchandise that blur the line between restaurant decor and propaganda. A particularly jarring image shows Trump raising his fist, bloodied ear and all, after surviving an alleged assassination attempt in 2024 — an image positioned not far from shelves stocked with Trump-branded mugs, hats, and koozies.
>But for all the visual noise, the actual atmosphere can feel eerily subdued. As I walked in on a recent Sunday, the tension, likely combined with our nervousness, felt palpable. Here, the vibe wasn’t festive — it was stiff, uncertain, and uncomfortable, particularly for me, a woman of color. The other diners present avoided eye contact. Even the playlist, looping music videos on wall-mounted televisions, couldn’t inject life into the space. The most excitement I saw was among families toddling around with their kids, many wearing Trump memorabilia (a boy, no older than 7, donned the shirt that read “Daddy’s Home”). It was a stark contrast to the raucous, family-friendly energy you’d expect at most burger joints.https://houston.eater.com/2025/5/15/24430952/trump-burger-president-bellville-houston-kemah-texas-scene-report >>2276512We've got:
DSA
An aborted PSL chapter
Some kind of vaguely communist mutual aid organization. They used to be part of a pre-party org that seems to have fallen apart.
Random anarchist affinity groups
Thinking about checking out the local DSA chapter tbh
>>2276693god please let this wretched world end in the hellfire it deserves. Either aliens intervene or they aren't real/don't care and this fascist shithole of a species can finally die and open up for some other life to take the wheel.
Total human hatred
>>2276481>>2276370Incredible. I had no idea the surveillance of the US was so pervasive and deep. The US can't die soon enough holy shit. Like sure NSA etc is insanely concerning but the entire surveillance apparatus that goes with it is just wild. This makes absolute sense now. Thank you for your answer.
YOU SHOULD MAKE A THREAD and write about this shit. Share your autistic special interest for the benefit of everyone.
>>2276791>Get granted massive favorable conditions of employment, residence and fiances to pick up arms and move…>…to the settler colony frontier and defend it from the natives>By the ghetto where you keep the descendants of the ethnically cleansed inhabitants of the villages you built on top of<IM BEING EXPLOITED<BAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWAnd this is just the "civilians", at least some of those in the article were
literal soldiers on duty enforcing the settler colony and guarding the ghetto. Motherfuckers deserve no pity whatsoever. The fact that the hostages are probably being kept alive with resources which could have prevented resistance fighters or civilians from the rigors of privation is already a privilege they should be thankful for.
The gall on these vultures…
Why do leftists never blame themselves for the lack of an organized working class? Why is it nothing can ever change, there is no future, there is no hope, people here (Americans) are genetically predispositioned to support the suffering of others, the only thing we can do is hope that things get worse, that's the line, and then when that line doesn't appeal to people, it just reinforces itself. There's no hope, because they didn't support the line, so there's no hope. You see what I'm saying? It sounds like there's a whole lot of people who don't want to take accountability for themselves on the left, and are much happier to write off any action than do that.
>>2276832My philosophy IS that things should get as bad as possible. I’m an accelerationist pure and simple. I’m not against resistance, as that is one of the greatest forms of acceleration, but if the resistance is stuck on peace mode then we aren’t resisting hard enough. I can’t personally drive this hell nation towards insurrection but the day(should I still be alive by then) that insurrection is a real and viable alternative then I’ll help build it and or join it if it already exists, I’ll gladly die for it. But we just aren’t ready. There is no real insurrectionist pulse in the US and so there’s no point in forcing it. We need critical mass, not lone acts of terror although I also condone lone acts since those send a message.
What I’m saying at heart is that the United States people are just not ready to revolt for real. They aren’t being made to suffer hard enough. They need their own personal lives threatened by the government in a real material way, more than just losing their treats.
You know, I understand why Aaron Bushnell lit himself on fire. Our lives literally do not matter. Live or die, it doesn't matter. They're killing 14,000 babies. You were a baby once. Tell me why your life matters more than the lives of those Palestinian babies. Tell me why nothing is being done. Tell me why you can't find two or three people who are armed, who are willing to make the sacrifice. Because if I could find those people, I would gladly die for the cause.
I don't care anymore. There is no future for us.No hope left. There is no future for us to live in. This is it. So you can either live as a corpse in death world, walking around with no future, on the bones of thousands of infant children, or you could die in the struggle. And I would rather die in the struggle. And that's what I've come to the conclusion of. And with this in mind, any and all actions become acceptable. Something has to be done. It has to be done. The fact is, the people who should be doing this, who should be being the martyrs, aren't doing anything. And I have decided that I'm okay with martyring myself for this cause. I wanted to light myself on fire during the election. I had time to be on election day. I had all the gear. I had all the plans worked out. I was going to go to a polling station. I was going to douse myself. I was going to take care of business. I was going to endure that pain until the lights were out.
My life is not worth more than the life of a Palestinian. Will this be an effective movement? Will this be an effective action? I don't know. But something has to be done. And none of these streamers are going to call for action. None of these pundits believe that anything can be done. And I don't think that that's going to change over my smoking body. But I believe something can be done. And I don't want to live in hell world anyway. Simple as. I don't want to live in a world where the ritual sacrifice of newborn infants to bombs is tantamount to the highest form of culture. I'm ready to die. Are you?
That's the fucked up part. It won't do any good. The powers that be won't be moved. In fact, they'll probably be laughing at the footage and their little private parties, but what else is there to do? At the end of the day, as a Westerner, as an American, I'm guilty of the sins of this empire. I benefit from the unequal exchange. I benefit from the genocide in the same way a billionaire does. I have a level of guilt that needs to be atoned for, regardless of if the action is actually productive in moving the needle. The truth is, the needle can't be moved. This is our future. This is the peak of humanity. It's not getting better than this.
Gaza is just the tip of the iceberg. This will be the century of genocide. They're going to do more genocide after this genocide. Once they've been shown that they can effectively get away with murdering 14,000 newborn babies, then they can do anything, and they will. This is the future of humanity, a boot-stomping people's face until the end of time. Why live if that is the only thing? And everyone on the left agrees. Everyone on the left agrees. Go ask any of these pundits if there's hope, and every single one of them will say no. Americans are incapable of doing what needs to be done. Well, if that's the case, then I'm tapping out.
The pain that I will experience from burning alive will be nothing compared to the collective pain of the Palestinian people and their suffering. It is nothing compared to the pain of a mother watching her baby starve to death. That is the reality. That is the fact.
>>2276908Like the real American dream now isn't that be a prole and have the White picket fence shit. The American dream now is the bourgeois dream.
>I live life of luxury doing drugs and wake up when I want to while other chumps go to workThis is what all of our culture is geared towards and promoting.
>>2276908Culture is one of those things that's difficult to change and usually requires an immense amount of blood to be spilled in order to do so (Revolutionary France and China's Cultural Revolution for examples). And quite frankly, I don't think a lot of Americans right now are willing to even give up any of their treats and their societal standing in life if it means helping improve society for the greater good, let alone go anywhere near the lengths that Robespierre and Mao Zedong did in reforming the cultural landscape of their respective countries after their respective class revolutions (Bourgeois for the former and Proletarian for the latter).
Some Americans groan on and on about how the tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of tyrants every now and then; but they're more willing to spill the blood of minorities that are fellow members of the working class that they've been brainwashed into seeing as the real threat than they are in spilling the blood of the ruling class vampires who suck labor dry to feed themselves and make life a living hell for anyone who's not rich alongside the pseudo-intellectual pieces of shit that they prop up with their money to back up their views, the predominant relationship between employer and employee, and justify the immense wealth inequality that's evident throughout so much of the country alongside the capitalist hegemony that makes it immensely difficult for any country to try and experiment with any alternatives to capitalism and then pins the resulting issues on them as an inevitable result of abandoning capitalism while further muddying the water with any already pre-existing issues in these countries.
There's obviously a chance all of this could change, as is the case with the history of class struggle. But that requires the contradictions of America to become so bad that people finally become disillusioned with capitalism again, as was the case back in the Gilded Age. And that point will probably only happen once the disproportionate power of the modern robber barons and the inevitable consequences of deregulation start to come into full swing, of which we are only really a part of the way there right now.
>>2276930I think the issue is that "American culture" does not reflect the actual beliefs and tastes of the majority of Americans.
Roughly 3 in 10 Americans own guns and about half of the guns are owned by 3% of the population. It's a distinctly "American" group but they do not actually represent America as a whole.
Most Americans are just living their lives and believe that they have no power.
Rather than considering it an all-or-nothing cultural replacement, it would be more like a slight shift. The small minority of loud people would be replaced by a different minority of loud people.
>>2276975I'm sure you've done stuff. My family is caught up in stupid cases, some of them were never caught. It's just retarded. Why not take your chances now instead of this Whataburger job?
Anyways, I don't give a fuck, do what you do. Do stupid shit and get caught up with felonies, it's probably smarter not to.
>>2276955<This translates to about 30% of Americans who say they personally own a firearmAnon you just repeated what I said. Did you even read that before you copypasted it?
And even your dumb counterargument STILL admits that gun owners are not a majority of the population!
>>2276983<It's an undercount<1 in 2Anon do you notice that you keep having to shift your argument and engage in weaseling? You don't have any underlying foundation to what you're saying. It's desperate and sad.
>what does it matter if 1 in 2 have access to a gun?Did you read the post I made or what I was replying to? I was making a broader point about how what we stereotype as "American culture" isn't actually reflective of most Americans in a lot of cases. I used gun nuts as an example because of the pic anon posted. A minority of the population of the population owns guns and a very small minority of petty-bourg owns most of the guns. Generalizing them as all Americans is foolish and makes "changing the culture" look insurmountable.
Again, what we're really proposing culturally, regardless of each specific issue, is displacing a small minority from power.
>>2276978My grandfather did 20 years in Angola for selling crack. I spent my teen years in and out of weekend jail stays. I'm not too keen on doing time for what ultimately amounts to giving money to some landlord leech.
Selling bud to my co-workers doesn't benefit me from the perspective of someone who is trying to salt their work place. I talk about this in my job blog (paid members only :v))
Today I will remind them.
>Homeland and Hip-Hop
To think about the origins of hip-hop in this culture
And also about Homeland Security
Is to see that there are, at the very least, two worlds in America One of the well-to-do and another of the struggling
For if ever there was the absence of homeland security, it is seen in the gritty roots of hip-hop
For the music arises from a generation that feels, with some justice
That they have been betrayed by those who came before them That they are at best tolerated in schools, feared on the streets And almost inevitably destined for the hell holes of prison
They grew up hungry, hated, and unloved
And this is the psychic fuel that generates the anger that seems endemic in much of the music and poetry
One senses very little hope above the personal goals of wealth to climb above the pit of poverty
In the broader society, the opposite is true
For here, more than any other place on earth, wealth is so widespread and so bountiful
That what passes for the middle class in America could pass for the upper class in most of the rest of the world
Their very opulence and relative wealth makes them insecure And homeland security is a governmental phrase that is as oxymoronic as crazy as saying military intelligence
Or the U.S Department of Justice
They're just words, they have very little relationship to reality Now do you feel safer now? Do you think you will anytime soon?
Do you think duct tape and Kleenex and color codes will make you safe?
From Death Row, this is Mumia Abu-Jamal
>>2276994>Everyone where I grew up owned guns and it wasn't White bourg. I think you're projecting.…
You are literally projecting your OWN anecdotal experience you dumb fuck. You've gone from misreading the data, to trying to massage the data, to rejecting the data in favor of vibes.
>It's the White bourg that live in gated communities and don't own guns.Small business tyrants who own restaurants or HVAC are petty bourg. The kind of people who can afford to drop what they're doing and hop on a plane to engage in political action. Those are the kinds of people who own a lot of guns. People who are genuinely proletariat are not spending all their money on hundreds of guns. We're not taking about owning one gun for "self-defense" here (which, again, is still a minority of the US population).
>>2277004Maybe, but I don't know what I expected to happen. Perhaps humanity has been doomed since the collapse of the USSR.
>>2277005At this rate America is going to murder all of humanity.
>>2277009Yeah despite liberals trying to hype up Biden as the second coming of FDR I really feel we were heading for a far-right takeover eventually.
>>2277013Fair enough. Maybe I'm just a cringe lib.
>>2276988the circus theme song is ironically called
Entrance of the Gladiators by Julius Fučík
>>2277033God just imagine
You're a famous composer, your nation has united for the first time in over a millennia and in YOUR lifetime no less and you're called upon to create a tune invoking the rites of your forefathers. You zero in on those brave warriors who risked their lives for the sake of entertaining crowds, who's existence would be shocking today but was common then, the thrill of the gladiator. A relic of the past that we yet admire because we somewhat envy how the past did not hold life in high regard, there is always that urging inside us to return to an era where killing is easier because ultimately man is an animal and wants to obey his primary instincts. That's what this piece is about in the end, a celebration of man's base nature.
Now imagine that less than a century later you find out that your beautiful composition is now basically an auditory cue that people are going to act like morons
>>2276719Tariffs work in certain situations for certain people with certain goals. They certainly
don't work as a cure-all for decades of de-industrialization lmfao, especially not when you don't accompany them with any really effective policy for re-industrialization. Really if America wanted to be not-fucked in this situation it should have started breaking off from China and re-industrializing in the 1990s but they were too high on Neoliberalism and Fukuyama to do that.
>>2276701I gotta start grifting these dumbasses
>>2276920>Noble, but pointless>NobleSpooky
>pointlessaccurate
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