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>>2270505 >>2272702>Dr. Maher AbdallahA thing I didn't know while looking this is up is that IVF is generally permissible in Islam.
>>2272696The car went kablooey so it's possible the pieces of the bomber also went in multiple directions at high velocity and that's what they're looking at.
>>2272767freedom to exploit
freedom to sell your body to exploiters
but not freedom from exploitation (that's tyranny)
>>2272782You understand that what Felix was posting is literally just Marxism-Leninism, right?
Like, Joe Slovo and the ANC were straight down the line to the extent that Slovo was often called a Stalinist by his detractors.
As much as it hurts you all to accept this, someone has to do something if you want things to change. You can't just sit in a chair trying to overthrow the government with your mental autism waves.
>>2272949In a certain sense, sure
this is the consequence of the demonisation of actual left wing politics
>>2272964https://promortalism.com/>I've known for a few years now I wasn't going to allow myself to make it past my 20s. Recently my best friend Sophie killed herself (she got the guy she was living with to shoot her while she was sleeping, her preferred method), and I don't think I really knew how much it was going to affect me. I've never related to someone so much, and can't imagine I ever would again. We were both antisex (don't mistake for asexual, I'm talking like r/antisex) misandrists, VegAntinatalist, negative utilitarians. Both also had borderline personality "disorder". Anyways, we got along quite well and it was very nice, especially when you feel like you are in an apocalypse and nobody else seems to get anything. IIRC we had agreed that if one of us died, the other would probably soon follow. It's just too much of a loss when there's nobody else you really relate to significantly. Since she's dead, I'll link her reddit and tiktok where she made a few videos. She also had a tumblr account that she was very active on. She used to have more videos on her YouTube account but I guess she hid them before.Lmao. It's like he's every worst character of leftypol rolled into one.
>>227298811/10 production quality.
I will not further elaborate.
>>2272968as a grass-toucher and IRL organizer, i wish that i could say that I don't know anyone like this IRL but I have met them.
It's not super common but it's not like this is a one-off freak.
>be watching baseball game>obese ugly people everywhere>ok I'll go touch grass, go to the beach>obese ugly people everywheresick of being around fat and ugly people bros, what do
ALSOThis Guy Bartkus dude is ultimately correct in philosophy, but yeah trying to bomb a building is fucking cringe. True antinatalist vegan pessimists like myself are just doomed to resignation that this world is fucked, suffering will continue and our only hope is the eventual death of the sun.
FINALLY
<Trump warns Walmart: Don’t raise prices due to my tariffs but do eat the costs from those taxes(
https://apnews.com/article/trump-tariffs-walmart-inflation-import-taxes-e2012e0d9e242b0be0b9474aa58d41fd)
First expressing concern over Gazans and now telling big corporations to eat shit? JDPON Don lads? Though ultimately all of this shitposting doesn't matter when we know Trump is a huge pussy who doesn't go through with anything.
>>2272988>the right to not existby definition you cannot experience nonexistence so it cannot qualitatively be better OR worse than existence. The best you can experience is the process of dying, but we are always on the way to death, as long as we're alive, so you can't even say "dying" is better than "living" either because dialectically speaking, they are a false dichotomy.
since nonexistence cannot be experienced, and since living and dying are united in a single continuous process, along with suffering and joy, it is meaningless to crave nonexistence relative to existence. Because non-experience does not exist.
>>2273034>be alive>suffer>be dead>literally incapable of sufferinggee I wonder which state is preferable
of course the whole "dying" part makes things complicated, but pro-natalist/pro-life people are fucking delusional if they think life is something good kek
Okay guys someone was dating enough to download the audio. Here you go. It's a 30 minute talk of him explaining why he did this.
Found on /pol/
https://rumble.com/v6tiucf-audio-manifesto-revealed-from-palm-springs-fertility-clinic-bomber-guy-edwa.html>>2273089It repackages systemic rot and alienation as individual clarity. Neoliberalism is all about the individual. Instead of resisting the system that made reproduction economically impossible, they moralize themselves as superior for embracing this alienation. It is individualism masquerading as ethics. Malthusian in nature, anti-natalism didn't emerge in a vacuum. It mirrors the deep alienation and consumer infantilism that neoliberalism breeds.
Is there an anti-natalism movement outside of the west? Outside of California and NYC? Doubtful. It's a lifestyle defense mechanism for people unwilling to confront the material causes of their misery. It is individualism masquerading as ethics.
Apply it globally and the genocidal implications become evident. Tell Gaza not to have children? What about Sudan? Or Burma? Or countless other global south countries wherein the material conditions cause significant suffering. There are pregnant women in Gaza right now. There are anti-natalists in the country funding the genocide. Is this a coordination to consider? I would think so.
>>2273090tl;dr of the summary?
did they get the crazy online or offline?
is this one of those discord-server religions like the zizians?
>>2273139Read the manifesto it's explained
And here was their website they left
>>2272892Trust me it is better to just read this. Everywhere else like Reddit they are 100% sure it was a Christian trump supporter who did this. They don't even do any searching
>>2273145show me a face, where is this person face
name, gender, race, politics, give me a profile
>>2273163wait, it was a guy? so the posts about btl surgery were from the girl?
this is beyond pathetic. what a fucking imbecile
>>2273165I honestly have no idea what you are even talking about
The bomber is a guy. The bomber discusses a girl who was his friend that was shot and killed by her boyfriend. Please just read the post here and you'll be caught up. It's confusing to explain it all
>>2273037Communism will win. Life will find a way. "Non-suffering" is not being dead "Non-suffering" is being alive and having something negative removed from your life experience. Like after a splinter is taken out or after an injury heals. To experience non-suffering you must first experience suffering, and then have it removed. It's a transitory experience. To remove life altogether is not to negate suffering, it is to negate the possibility of non-suffering, which is the end of suffering
within life.
>>2273169the posts from a woman saying she sterilized herself, it is somewhere in this thread
did he kill himself after the fact or is he still at large? that's the only thing that could make this slightly less pathetic, if the guy started an individual protracted warfare against ivf clinics
>>2273175The reddit, TikTok and Tumblr is all of the girl Sophie the male bomber says was his best friend.
He linked all of her social media on his website he shared but he didn't provide any personal information of his own.
The bomber is dead he exploded in the car next to IVF center he was the only death.
>>2273179>he was the only death.this is what talking to women does to you
NEVER speak to women
>>2272970> is there something bigger going on rn?yeah basically anything that happens, intentional or not, is a useful distraction from Gaza genocide, privatization, deregulation, austerity, union busting, coups, embargoes, sanctions, proxy wars, etc.
>>2273091LATINO BRAKING SYSTEM
ECO-FRIENDLY
ANTI-IMPERIALIST BRIDGES
>>2273242God fuck you've triggered a fear in me.
One of the things that's bothered me most about Disney Star Wars, which I guess kinda overlaps with the rest of Star Wars but especially with this modern incarnation is the increased attempts at trying to codify "Star Wars fashion" so to speak. Maybe I'm worrying over nothing, but I'm terrified in the next 15 years we will sincerely have work shirts with little slits for rectangular "ties" to go through, like Syril will be the template for work clothes. If nothing else capitalism must be destroyed to prevent that future from coming about.
>>2273283>>2273283><White woman straight unattendedMy bad, I misheard, it was much worse.
>"I haven't been that excited since I saw a White woman's drink unattended." Jesus Christ.
>>2273283now that trump is in power, they do not have to pretend anymore
the 1950s racist cheap laughs are back in business
these are the same assholes who were cancelling people left and right 5-6 years ago
also Scarlett is fine af damn
>>2273289they could have made the exact rapey joke without 'white'. Just say 'woman'.
Why do americans need to force the race out of everything? Both 'left' and right, they are race-obsessed.
Also the bombers dad is an unbelievably cringe gooner. His dad has Instagrams where he spams pictures of women non stop im talking hundreds of photos. He has multiple Instagrams.
It was hard to believe this was his dad but the sad has posted stuff about him on them before. His parents were split up clearly and he lived with his mom not dad
https://www.instagram.com/rich_bartkus?igsh=MXIzd29jcnV2ZXlwcw==https://www.instagram.com/bartkusrichard?igsh=MTZmbTUwZWdlNjdrdg==>>2273316that nose…..
free palestine
>>2273351I think if your son committed an act of terrorism you'd probably react similarly by disavowing him to avoid being hounded by the media tbh.
But also it seems like he hates his son.
>>2273351>>2273343>>2273353Oh this dude's entire fucking family hated him with a seething passion, didn't they?
That's one piece in the puzzle of how he became the first antinatalist terrorist in America.
>>2273406pro life moralist extremist
anti life moralist extremist
fedora tipping neoliberal nationalist
who cares
none of them are part of the real movement to sublate the mode of production
>>2273491>why are all these suicidal antinatalist and nihilist freaks incapable of taking out anyone with real political power when they "free" themselves?Because they are probably the result of some sort of MKULTRA program. You don't need to physically isolate people and drug them out of their mind when you can single any individual and control nearly 100% of their information intake from an office. You can dispense as much pain or rewards as needed by just controlling the bureaucracy around them as well.
And the most important aspect is that you are constantly in touch, you will always know the private(effortless digital surveillance) and public parts(all the schizos are turboposters), which is far superior to manipulate somebody because they won't resist that which seems to come organically. Unlike, you know, putting people in a box and trying to fry their brain. Now you can do the same, and they are none the wiser.
>>2273353>>2273356>>2273361>>2273363I know it's cool to treat everything with cynical irony and snark, but I honestly feel bad regarding the deterministic chain of events that led to this person becoming who they were. Imagine messing around with matches as a child, accidently causing a fire as a consequence that burns down the house, and having your parent (who was probably not that great to begin with) hang that over your head the rest of your entire life as if you should have just died in it. Not "It's unfortunate and a mistake, but at least no one got hurt and your alive with us", instead what you get forever after any minor disagreement or interaction is "Oh, you think you're sooo smart and have the audacity to call me out on my mistakes? Well guess who burned the house as a kid and ruined his parents marriage?". Or statements of "I know I wouldn't be able to live with myself". Is it really any surprise he went down this route of anti-natalism, and latched on to the first person who displayed the same degree of misery? When you're programmed from your youth with the premise that you're worthless, a drain, a living liability that only makes mistakes and can never in his life hope to make good on them, is it really that shocking that the person that comes out the other side internalizes the idea that all life is just unnecessary suffering that should be ended before it causes more suffering to themselves/others, that death is a preventative measure from further violence, and that parents are the progenitors of the future agony of their chidlren?
>>2273542You're right anon, that's some basic shit that I should've really factored in before I decided to make le funny joke.
It's really fucked up how it seems like there's no path for the left to help deprogram people from this sort of mentality and help them unlearn this antinatalist nonsense and nudge them more towards the right direction.
It's clear these are folks left behind in a capitalistic society with a ruling class that sees them only as labor power that can be rented for one's own profit while giving fuck all about the livelihoods of these people and how they end up, even though their labor is so crucial to the amount of capital they can create and therefore the wealth of this ruling class.
They finally published his name officially even though it seem known for like 18 hours. They also give the tiniest snippet of description of him
Media is so lazy
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/palm-springs-explosion-riverside-county-southern-california/Trump telling big pharma to reduce the price on Pharmaceuticals is essentially price controls without actually calling it price controls - Cato Institute
>Trump’s executive order is a laundry list of coercive actions he plans to take against drug companies that do not make “significant progress” toward his “price targets.” https://archive.ph/IywSoBig Pharma accused the presidency of it being a price control
>PhRMA, the drug industry’s trade association, responded to Trump’s move by declaring that “government price setting in any form is bad for American patients and undermines the U.S. biopharmaceutical industry’s ability to compete against other countries.”Trump said in a speech he's going to be setting prices
>Trump’s view of his role was reflected in his recent comparison of the U.S. economy to a department store. “It’s a giant, beautiful store, and everybody wants to go shopping there,” he told Time magazine last month. “And on behalf of the American people, I own the store, and I set prices, and I’ll say, if you want to shop here, this is what you have to pay.”And it's not like precedent hasn't been set for a president to use price controls. FDR and Nixon did it already
>Franklin D. Roosevelt, scrambling to overcome the Great Depression, personally dictated the government’s daily price for gold, reportedly raising it by 21 cents on one occasion because that was a lucky number. Richard M. Nixon, worried that inflation would dampen his reelection prospects, imposed wage and price controls in 1971.>>2272766don't you have the originals plans? usually all of those documents are somewhere in the governmental agencies, like the land registry. even some banks have them if the house was on a mortgage and you and your family, or the previous owners didn't do the corresponding procedures to withdraw the documents once you finish paying the mortgage.
use the original plans, thou verify that they have are exactly what the construction has, like just pick a measuring tape. I recommend you to digitalize them, and let a more competent architect to work from those plans.
>>2272782what's your job?
>>2272815societal nonsenses, circus clownery, sad comedy.
>>2272838In fact, exactly my view. once western nato countries have filled their pockets from plundering the global south, they waste time, energy and debating the most absurd things ever.
>>2273089>Are you just saying "lib" to describe anything you disagree with?it's based upon idealisms, that's why the liberal nonsense. the first liberals on the early days of liberal ideology were suicidal, and many artistical liberal individuals from that era suicided because the world wasn't as perfect as their braindead neurons tried to represent to them.
whenever you go idealistic but in a phrenetical way, you become a radlib.
>>2273597it's so frustrating. They're like
>Did we create a class society not worth living in that we must work together to end? No… life itself is the problem! We have a society that throws billions of people globally into destitution and poverty. Billions of frustrated people who just want to help having no real way to do so through the society itself. We give people psych meds instead of fixing the root cause of their social suffering. Then we make those meds too expensive so they go off their meds and then suffer even more from the withdrawal symptoms, the lack of a root cause fix, and then they have no outlet to improve society or sometimes even themselves, so they turn to drugs, crime, and nihilism.
>>2273684I didn't follow exactly what he was saying. He said the previous guy didn't estimate the pitch of the roof properly at all and they had to rework everything from there and like I said that it would've been better and cheaper demolishing like all of it instead of whatever slow refiguring they're trying to do now.
He was saying he should start a business inspecting the architects plans and comparing them to the site before they start taking bids from contractors. I said it would be better to not pay for shitty plans from architects in the first place. He said he also has a similar problem on a previous job recently with a different architect.
>>2273794Nothing important was lost uygha
two reactionary luddic misanthropes dead
People on sanctioned suicide website talking about him as he made dozens of post there planning his bombing. Here is full thread so far
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/first-pro-mortalist-terrorist-attack-guy-edward-bartkus.206169/#post-3005465Sanctioned Suicide has generated widespread scrutiny from news outlets and government officials for the encouragement of suicide by members on the site,[4][7][8] as well as the site's promotion of the use of sodium nitrite as a method of suicide, a previously obscure method.[1][3][5] One New York Times report found 45 adults and children who died in connection to the site, and a later report found dozens more. BBC News has identified 50 people who died in connection to the site in the United Kingdom. Access to the forum has been restricted in Italy and Germany. Since November 2023, Turkey also blocked access to the site.[9]
Why do so many people on the left treat the working class, especially the people who work low-paid wage work, as a sort of noble savage? And why have so many people on the left begun to sublimate Protestant work ethic with class solidarity? You have college-educated media studies types lambasting the working class for being angry at their conditions and disguising this with language that on the surface seems like class solidarity, but in reality is just exploitation propaganda repackaged. Of course no one wants to work the majority of these shitty jobs. The goal is to abolish wage labor, not to moralize it as suffering for class consciousness sake. If a worker complains about their job and the exploitative conditions about their job, if a worker goes as far as to say, I'm not going to work this job, I quit, and the communist responds with, we think you're too good for that job, you think you're above the working class, you think you're better than being a worker, that's vulgar class consciousness, that's liberalism in red paint. The goal is to destroy the wage labor system. Is to destroy the wage labor system. Ask yourself, if communism won today, do you think that we would have Wendy's? Do you think that there would be people working for $10 an hour at the drive-thru at Wendy's after we have communism? If the answer is yes, then I think we need to think a little bit fucking bigger.
>>2273886unironically probably, it would explain a lot.
(ignore me this is just reactionary venting from being a retail wagie and getting vape steam blown in my face by 16 year olds on the daily)
>>2273207No fascist
No eugenics
No Swedish Songwriters
100% PURE UNCUT CRINGE
>>2273912I loathe the eternal high schooler
>>2273913Good. May he die a failure, and may the Democratic Party be humiliated into oblivion.
>>2273781> the pitch of the roofjust for reference, the correct word is slope. if an architect isn't using the word slope be suspicious, though might be an Englishman occurrence.
Beside that, I could help you drawing the plans if you like, in Revit, if he's being too costly. Ask him how much is he charging you for the planimetry. I don't the calculations, but I am quite sure if there's a large load of snow there you have to have a large slope, 7º or more. Also, architects don't do load calculations, be aware with those who swear they can, ask them for their structural calculations certificates or courses certifications.
>>2273437>>2273460do you have their videos saved? youtube deleted them.
jesus fucking christ with the fbi and their quick response in deleting their youtube accounts, fucking alphabet inc. they could have the same speed arresting everyone involved with jeffrey epstein.
>>2273446what a radlib.
>>2273466weird, weird, weird guy.
>>2273392what a weird pair.
she:
>misandrist, ask her ex, a man, to kill her.>he, obsessed that all life is suffering, dedicates his bombing suicide attack to the woman she secretly loved. >>2273881>Why do so many people on the left treat the working class, especially the people who work low-paid wage work, as a sort of noble savage?I think this starts with Blanqui and moves up through all the Vanguardist tendencies. I might get heat for saying this but it's historically evident if you start reading revolutionary theory with the French revolution and working your way up to Lenin chronologically. A vague liberal bourgeois populist appeal to an interclass "will of the people" gets gradually replaced with a regimented and revolutionary "dictatorship of the proletariat" which itself is necessary to overthrow the already existing dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. It is thought that the proletariat will only arrive at trade union consciousness on their own and need an educated vanguard of "professional revolutionaries" (i.e. people who have abandoned the normal life of work and family altogether to make a huge personal sacrifice on the altar of historical progress) to guide them the rest of the way.
>And why have so many people on the left begun to sublimate Protestant work ethic with class solidarity? Because intersectionality and identity politics is just as real for the "right" part of the labor movement as it is for the "left" part. Even though they won't use those terms, the right half of the labor movement will say "respect my religion, respect my family unit, respect my nationalism" the same way the left half of the labor movement will ask for respect for their particular intersection of identities. And I'm not saying upholding faith, family, and flag is the same as protecting marginalized identity groups. I'm just saying identity politics are real which is why so many in the labor movement supplement their labor politics with it, and that's how you get the "protestant work ethic" within the labor movement, especially during civil war, famine, and revolution, which require massive sacrifices, and the internal purging of people who aren't "ride or die." Even Lenin appealed to the bible during the Russian civil war and famously decreed "he who does not work neither shall he eat" because civil war IS a life or death struggle and if you aren't working for the revolutionaries you are dragging them down.
>You have college-educated media studies types lambasting the working class for being angry at their conditions and disguising this with language that on the surface seems like class solidarity, but in reality is just exploitation propaganda repackaged.I know what you mean and they will object this isn't their intention, but consequentialists know that, to borrow a religious idiom even though I am not one, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions," so it doesn't matter.
>Of course no one wants to work the majority of these shitty jobs.but some of the shitty jobs will be necessary under socialism to provide society with subsistence. Food production has always been a "shitty" job both literally and figuratively, but the need for planters, pickers, pesticide-sprayers, and packagers, the four Ps of food production, does not go away with the abolition of wage labor. People will still do it, just not for a wage. They'll do it because in order for everyone to contribute what they are able, they need to have their needs met first, and those needs include food.
>The goal is to abolish wage labor, not to moralize it as suffering for class consciousness sake. You don't have to moralize anything to see its necessity for the reproduction of society itself. That is a prerequisite for socialism.
>If a worker complains about their job and the exploitative conditions about their job, if a worker goes as far as to say, I'm not going to work this job, I quit, and the communist responds with, we think you're too good for that job, you think you're above the working class, you think you're better than being a worker, that's vulgar class consciousness, that's liberalism in red paint.Well if you quit a job before trying to organize it then you are just going to fall into the reserve army of labor and abandon your fellow workers to even harder demands while they are temporarily short staffed. So you should neither quit without struggling nor work without struggling against the prevailing conditions.
>The goal is to destroy the wage labor system. Is to destroy the wage labor system. Ask yourself, if communism won today, do you think that we would have Wendy's?No we wouldn't have that particular form of food production that goes by that particular brand name, but we would still have food production, food distribution, and cooking food as forms of labor that are all necessary to keep society running. And that work will still exist and will still sometimes get on the nerves of the people doing it. Because Communism sublates
wage labor, not
all labor. "From each according to their ability" still implies that people are expected to contribute to society what they are able, and those who do not will be dealt with one way or another as reactionary saboteurs. I don't say that to sound edgy, I say that because it will be necessary.
>Do you think that there would be people working for $10 an hour at the drive-thru at Wendy's after we have communism?No, obviously, that's wage labor.
>>2273934I have a screenshot. Here is the video channel link
https://youtube.com/@IndictEvolution/featuredThere are some saves of it on archive.org if you input it but I had tough time getting them to play idk. Some date back to 2023. Here is the archive available
https://web.archive.org/web/20250000000000*/https://youtube.com/@IndictEvolutionhttps://archive.is/OurV8 on this archive none of them play
>>2273988>what do you think there would be to live for at that age?a partner…?
I know most 4channers are virgins but normal people have loved ones at a young age. (not me of course I'm also forever alone)
>>2273989Yeah a partner as well, but I always thought the partner meme was dumb ass fuck. It's really about having kids and family besides your partner. People say in regards to the partner specifically:
>You don't want to die alone right?Well one of you is dying first, so one of you is dying alone unless you have children and other living family that love you.
>>2273988>>2273989You don’t even necessarily need all that to be happy later in life. Plenty of people lived content lives without those things. And sometimes, it wouldn’t even make a difference.
It’s all being happy with yourself and what you’ve done.
>>2274026Literally cops and porky use that term. Nobody else uses it except for shitlibs.
You can make the exception with cowboys but they say “howdy” before they say “partner”
>>2274045I’d rather use the scientific term “mate”.
That way it isn’t ambiguous
>>2273881>Why do so many people on the left treat the working class, especially the people who work low-paid wage work, as a sort of noble savage?who. under what circumstance?
>And why have so many people on the left begun to sublimate Protestant work ethic with class solidarity?communists, not 'so many people on the left'. communists 'sublimate' that into class solidarity, and is done so because class solidarity is the response to any complain workers could do.
>You have college-educated media studies types lambasting the working class for being angry at their conditions and disguising this with language that on the surface seems like class solidarity, but in reality is just exploitation propaganda repackaged.Example, pls. Provide some.
>Of course no one wants to work the majority of these shitty jobs.this is a strawman. Everyone likes a job that pays good enough. and all jobs should receive a fair pay, and some shit is too overpaid for no reason.
>The goal is to abolish wage labor, not to moralize it as suffering for class consciousness sake.au contraire, the goal is
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. a wageless society is idealistic as fuck. who is going to work for you? cockroaches?
>If a worker complains about their job and the exploitative conditions about their job, if a worker goes as far as to say, I'm not going to work this job, I quit, and the communist responds with, we think you're too good for that job, you think you're above the working class, you think you're better than being a worker, that's vulgar class consciousness, that's liberalism in red paint.<we think you're too good for that jobSHIT NEVER SAID>The goal is to destroy the wage labor systemno, it isn't. x2.
>Is to destroy the wage labor systemno it isn't. x3.
>Ask yourself, if communism won today, do you think that we would have Wendy's?what has this question to do with what is above? how are you connecting these questions with this one?
>Do you think that there would be people working for $10 an hour at the drive-thru at Wendy's after we have communism?if $10 is enough for this person to have a house, a car, their needs covered, and their labor surplus isn't stolen, then yes, there would be.
>If the answer is yes, then I think we need to think a little bit fucking bigger.you are confused. read more theory.
>>2274093>of course anarchism is brought in when no wage labor reaches a point where Marx and Engels are proven to never have said or advocated for the elimination of wage labor.Read The Principles of Communism, by Engels.
Specifically see first question.
there's no special condition for the emancipation or liberation of the working class. you achieve it by whatever means, you reached communism.
>>2274088see
>>2274092 and
>>2274097in this
>>2274082 what's stated is the characteristics in which capitalism enforces the exploitative structure it exerts on workers.
by no means they advocated for the end of wage labor, as it's simply put in
The Principles of Communism. You could have a revolutionary society with a communist society with wage labor, as long the working class is emancipated and liberated. what are the conditions and means? the clues are closer to
>From each according to his ability, to each according to his needsthan it is in such an abstract idea.
>>2274125I see you rely on strawmaning as a last resource once you are cornered.
>demsoc liberalismok radlib.
There are about two million fast food workers employed by McDonald's and similar companies in America right now. Think about that for a second–millions of people working long hours, often for poverty wages, in an industry built entirely around speed, convenience, and cheap labor. Now imagine if we nationalized that entire sector. Take every McDonald's, every Burger King, every Wendy's, every Domino's, and put them under public ownership. And then, instead of maintaining this absurd density where four fast food restaurants sit on the same street corner, we drastically reduce the number of locations. Streamline it. Make it centrally managed. What you're left with is a leaner, more intentional network, organized on a local scale–neighborhood, district, city–plugged into a national supply and distribution system.
So we shut down maybe two-thirds of them. That still leaves a massive footprint. Because again, in most places, you'll find multiple fast food chains within a few hundred feet of each other. You don't need four. You don't need three. You need one. Close the rest. Convert that one into a community kitchen. A public canteen. Something different in tone and structure–no longer driven by profit, no longer an assembly line of grease and burnout. You automate some of the tasks. You cut down on unnecessary labor. The remaining workers are paid well. They're not service drones–they're providing socially necessary labor, feeding people in their own neighborhoods. It's dignified, respected work, embedded in a broader project of transitioning towards communism.
Now what do you do with all the people who used to work in the other locations? You don't just throw them away. You take that surplus labor and redirect it toward something productive. Something real. Maybe that means a national climate jobs program. Retraining. Education. Give people the opportunity to learn actual skills–carpentry, plumbing, electrical, agriculture, anything with long-term use value. Not this endless churn of fast food labor, spending your days making minimum wage while dealing with pissed-off customers trapped in consumer hell. Give people tools. Give them time. Let them come back with something that can lift up their community. That's what a workforce program should do. Everyone gets a shot at a life grounded in collective rebuilding, not corporate extraction.
And while we're at it, ask yourself: why do we even need drive-thrus? Why are we designing cities around cars in the first place? Drive-thrus aren't just a feature–they're an expression of capitalist priorities. Fast movement, private consumption, isolated transactions. They're part of the superstructure. That's the problem. People want to cling to the superstructure–car-centric design, private property, franchised consumer spaces–and just slap some socialist vocabulary on top of it. "Socialist service economy." What does that even mean? It's nonsense.
You can't preserve capitalist forms and expect revolutionary outcomes. That's not how this works. The majority of what exists in this country–from zoning laws to labor hierarchies to the layout of highways and parking lots–is a product of the capitalist superstructure. These things aren't neutral. They were built for a reason. They exist to serve capital. And you don't change the system by keeping those structures in place and trying to inject them with new meaning. You dismantle them. You destroy them. Only then can you begin to change the base.
But instead, we get this pseudo-leftist fantasy where we keep all the fast food joints and pretend they're somehow revolutionary now because the workers own a fraction of them, or because they pay fifteen dollars an hour. It's ridiculous. The logic is still capitalist. The form is still capitalist. The whole thing is still designed to extract value and reinforce capital's dominance.
We need to tear the whole thing down. Fast food, drive-thrus, endless sprawl, meaningless labor–it all has to go. That's the point. You can't build something new until you destroy what's holding everything in place.
>>2274142>Marx and Engels explicitly state their opposition to wage labourunder capitalism because it's how functions the exploitative system of capitalism.
show me where they say they are against wage labor by any shape or perform under socialism and communism. go ahead.
>>2274064this isnt the best place to look for therapy :(
stay strong
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