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The genocide being committed by Israelis is unprecedented in human history. Never before have we seen such shameless savagery on open display. I believe in a one state solution, but I'm pessimistic that Israelis will ever accept and live with Palestinians as equals. If they had wanted to, they would have accepted a OSS in 1948 and not committed the nakba. I feel like the only solution is to relocate Israelis to the US or repatriate them to their pre-48 countries of origin. 90% of Israelis support Zionism. And Zionism at this point is inherently imperialist and genocidal. This is a population that has gone beyond the point of no return.

Also, if Trump can bring in 4.6 million Boers to the US, he can do the same for Israelis.

they'll end up like the Piet Noirs of Algeria or some other repulsive reacitonary diaspora population.

Unfortunately most of leftypol has either consciously or not adopted left Zionism as another facet of anti communism. Radlibs here will love to posture about how morally opposed they are to genocide, but provide any solution that doesn’t simply aid Zionism in the long term and you’re immediately banned for being a heckin antisemite.

Palestine’s survival was doomed the moment it was hijack by western college students, all of whom celebrated the destruction of Syria, the actual last hope of the Palestinian people, at the hands of Zionists and their collaborators. Their extermination is a foregone conclusion(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST)

imho I was in charge I would take a page out the ole soviet playbook and tell former IDF soldiers and other zionists they're totally allowed in the country no hard feelings and then when they take the bait detain and execute them. do the opposite for anti-zionists and let them know if they kill an IDF soldier or sabotage something they will be granted immediate political aslyum w/o any extradition behind closed doors.

The genocide being committed by Germans is unprecedented in human history. Never before have we seen such shameless savagery on open display. I believe in a one state solution, but I'm pessimistic that Germans will ever accept and live with Jews and Poles as equals. If they had wanted to, they would have accepted a Polish-German military alliance in 1939 and not committed the holocaust. I feel like the only solution is to relocate Germans to France or repatriate them to their pre-71 duchies of origin. 90% of Germans support Nazism. And Nazism at this point is inherently imperialist and genocidal. This is a population that has gone beyond the point of no return.

>>2274734
Germans weren't settler colonialists within Germany proper

>>2274719
stop th jew hate
they will live side by side with their Arab brothers

>>2274736

All people were settlers at some point. Why make a particular group of settlers exceptional? Or this genocide in particular?

Only the overthrow of capitalism will end this genocide and all wars, not any relocation of any people

>>2274738
How are they going to live side-by-side if the Israelis kill all the Palestinians?

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>>2274724
>Palestine’s survival was doomed the moment it was hijack by western college students, all of whom celebrated the destruction of Syria, the actual last hope of the Palestinian people
What level of ideology are you on… oh whatever this website rules.

>>2274724
>Syria, the actual last hope of the Palestinian people
Syria was only useful as a conduit to Iranian support for Hezbollah. The Ba'athist government itself was worse than useless, they didn't even fire on the Israeli warplanes that were bombing them throughout the civil war. Going back further they directly aided US imperialism against Iraq. I get the need to glaze them while Assad was still around for practical propaganda purposes, but in retrospect they've been timid and unreliable since the 80s at least.

>>2274722
They have no country to run to though.

>>2274841
America will take them in if shit hits the fan. And 10% have dual citizenship

>>2274719
>What is to be done with Israelis?
That's up to the Palestinians, not me nor you. Disabuse yourself of these colonial vestiges.

>>2274739
But you know there's a difference between nomads settling and settler colonialism?

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>>2274724
>Palestine’s survival was doomed the moment it was hijack by western college students

>>2274739
>Why make a particular group of settlers exceptional? Or this genocide in particular?
Because it's happening right now and not centuries ago.

>>2274724
>Palestine’s survival was doomed the moment it was hijack by western college students
Bait gets less and less believable by the day.

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>Israelis called to activism: “‘We urge every citizen of Israel to come out and stop these convoys [of food, medicine, etc]. We cannot remain on the sidelines any longer’…The group concluded its statement with a call to action, urging Israelis to physically block the aid trucks.”.

https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-854514

>>2274724
>you’re immediately banned for being a heckin antisemite
this doesn't happen
you just went on a rant about duh joos and got banned and now you're butthurt

>>2274720
>>2274719
<make america even more reactionary with 10 million ben shabibos

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>>2274877
Millions of more Ben Shapiros and dozens (possibly hundreds if Elon whispers more about this fictitious white genocide in South Africa in Trump's ears) of racist Afrikaners, what could possibly go wrong?

>>2274725
Al Based

>>2274775
After killing about a million palestinians, da jooz willchave a change of heart and embrace their Arab brothers
Peace and love

>>2274883
Marx was a Jew
You must be ashamed

>>2274719
If you are in a position to decide "what is to be done with Israelis" that means you already have done much of the work and the situation is drastically changed. A Zionist Israel that contemplates defeat, dissolution would already have gone through so many changes. And so would have the geopolitics necessary for that to happen.

NATO isn't going to let the petrodollar be fucked with, for example. The concept of seriously threatening Israel beyond a tax on the west is pretty much all out war with whomever tries.

>>2274954
the jew will live with his arab brother
Jewpussy will be entertained by arabcock
Cuck Moshe will watch and will enjoy it


The history or all hitherto existing society is the history of struggle between good vs evil

>>2274810
>they directly aided US imperialism against Iraq.
So did Iran but I don't see you complain.

https://www.elysee.fr/en/emmanuel-

Canada, France and the UK condemned Israel now

macron/2025/05/19/joint-statement-from-the-leaders-of-the-united-kingdom-france-and-canada-on-the-situation-in-gaza-and-the-west-bank

They can go back to Poland or die

>>2275095
Not really, Iran backed the main Shia militias that were fighting and continue to fight the Americans.

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>>2275142
>the fighters in question opening the roads to the invasion

Lol Islamists (MLs) are such clueless fucking retards it's not even funny

>>2274739
>All people were settlers at some point.
Surely you understand there is a difference between, say, the first people to arrive on a pacific island and a group that conquers land and forcibly displaces people who were already there?

>>2274719
the only good nazi is a dead nazi.

>>2274722
>>2274719
>>2274720
>>2274724
Part of the reason I disagree with hardcore "Anti-Zionism" despite for my hatred of Isreal and my disgust at the treatment of Palestinians is the fact that I feel so many Anti-Zionists just have a fundementally wrong view of what Israel is and what the Zionist project ultimately aims to accomplish

Israelis are not just some colonial overseer class like Rhodesians or Pied-Noirs. The reason they're so dedicated to the Zionist settler-project is that their people were genuinely victimized and they want a homeland of their own even if it comes at someone elses expense. And that project has largely been a success because Israel is a legitimate "nation" now with a national identity, language, and culture. They aren't attached to some metropole and most of them are in Israel because their ancestors were forcefully kicked out of some other place.

>>2275505

Rip Birobidzhan.
Rip a harem of asian beauties for every jewish man.
Rip the creation of a real asiatic judeobolshevik horde.

>>2275505
>They aren't attached to some metropole and most of them are in Israel because their ancestors were forcefully kicked out of some other place.
bizarrely a ton of people who got free houses in a modern nation didn't want to go back to the countries that begged them to return after Israel did arm-twisting to force their neighbors to kick their jews out.

>>2275505
Diaspora Jews are not "Israelis". The original inhabitants of Palestine had more in common with the people of that land Judea and such than the diaspora Jews claiming that land. Diaspora Jews are European whites pure and simple.

I really don't know how many Israeli workers support Zionism because they're brainwahsed and how many support it because they benefit from it in some way, maybe it's a bit of both? It's a really difficult question for me to grapple with.

>>2275535
>Diaspora Jews are European whites pure and simple.
Mizrahi Jews are a slight majority of Israel's population

>>2274734
its 2025, ww2 was 80 years ago and Germans were expelled from all the disputed territory + some

>>2275544
>>2275505
No Mr.Panafricanist, the braindead will not understand you
Inshaallah every Israeli will be thrown into the sea!!! This is what they want you to say! Tow the party line!

>>2274719
relocate them to east germany. i don't want those people in the same hemisphere as me

I don't care. Can I just wash my hands of them?

Life is too short to waste the rest of it on Jew in the middle east. Let them and the Arabs work it out.

>>2275544
half of the mizrahis are sephardic from spain who ended up in the ottoman empire

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>>2275549
My somewhat sympathetic stance toward Zionism comes from my Pan-Africanism. I understand what motivates Zionists, it doesn't excuse anything they do obv, but I understand the idea of a people who were violently persecuted wanting power and security by any means necessary. My fellow Pan-Afs just think of them as Boers with a different religion but I think thats kind of unfair.

Zionism is simultanously a settler colonial project that oppresses Palestinians and national liberation for an oppressed group and this contradiction needs to be reckoned with in any reasonable left-wing critique

>>2275619
T. Whoopi Goldberg

>>2275619
Pan-Africanism/Arabism/Europeanism is literally indistinguishable from Zionism no matter how much MLibs like to pretend otherwise

>>2274725
THIS IS THE WAY
THIS IS THE WAY
THIS IS THE WAY

>The genocide being committed by Israelis is unprecedented in human history. Never before have we seen such shameless savagery on open display.
This is my issue sometimes when people attempt to discuss Israel and Zionism, which is that anons try to elevate the severity by means of claiming uniqueness and peculiarity. But historically, we must contend this is not the case, and that doing so implicitly operates as apologetics for all prior colonial projects. The morbid reality, and dually the reason why all liberal nation-states maintain difficulty in constructing a consistent argument against Zionism or Israel, is that Israel is not radically different nor even separate from the western colonial tradition it came from, not even in its conceptualization of the nation state. Western nation states were wholly conceived and reified as ethnically based post the Treaty of Westphalia, and I would argue the open savagery on display then would put even Israel to shame. Israel can only speak of its attempts at finishing its colonial project, but can it claim completion like so many others? The western world genocided a continent, and the newspapers celebrated it. Art was made of it. People spoke happily at tea time about it. It was wholly and completely normalized that the nation-state was something defined by its domination by a singular ethnic entity, and that colonialization necessitated the "pruning" of other ethnic groups. Massacre, ethnic cleansing, sterilization, the open and flagrant murder of man, woman, and child. These are hallmarks of the western worlds shared history, of the nation state, and if we continue to ignore that, we will only obfuscate the reality that Israel is not some new invention, but simply a late contender to a long tradition built into the very birth and origin of the nation state and consequently settler colonialism.

>>2274719
Single state solution is the obvious one.
Israelis and Palestinians should be forced to adopt a state built on a shared CULTURAL Canaan/Hebrew lineage.
Religious Minorities like Jews, Druze, Christians, Samaritans should get extra seats in Parliament based on population size same as New Zealand with Maori seats. I don't like the idea that Religioncucks get special privileges since to me Religion is no different from any other form of ideology, but lets be real, there is no incentive for Jews to not engage in holy war if they were to actually become a "minority in their own country".
A state based on shared cultural lineage, would also MASSIVE improve relations with Lebanon, Syria and Jordan, all which have significant Canaanite/Hebrew roots.
Canaanism had it's root in fascism, but a Canaaism based state would have been 1000x better than current day Israel.
>The movement promoted the idea that the Land of Israel was that of ancient Canaan (or, according to others, the whole of the Fertile Crescent) in which ancient peoples and cultures had lived, and that the historical occasion of the reemergence of an Israeli people constituted a veritable revival of these selfsame ancient Hebrews and their civilization, and consequently a rejection of religious Judaism in favor of a native and rooted Hebrew identity.
>Because the Canaanites sought to create in Israel a new people, they mandated the dissociation of Israelis from Judaism and the history of Judaism. In their stead they placed the culture and history of the Ancient Near East, which they considered the true historical reference. They argued that the people of the Land of Israel in the days of the biblical monarchs had not been Jewish but Hebrew, and had shared a cultural context with other peoples of the region. Citing contemporary biblical criticism, the Canaanites argued that the Tanakh reflected this ancient history, but only partly, since it had been compiled in the period of the Second Temple by Jewish scribes who had rewritten the history of the region to suit their world-view.

>>2275853
hello junko

Can't the Jews figure it out for themselves already? Why is it my business?

Wasn't the whole point of making Israel so we wouldn't have to hear from and about jews everyday anymore? I feel like we were swindled.

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>>2275869
>jews will Outlast your kind
Yeah because no one ever does or did anything to your kind and let you practice your schizo religion freely. I just would kindly like to not see it or hear about it anymore, that would be nice of you.

>>2275896
I literally never think about Jews. You people force yourself to be the center of attention everywhere you go. Nobody would hate jews if you weren't shoving it in our face all the time. I really find your religion extremely gross and off-putting like no other, but you can do you, just lay low dog and you won't get so much hate.

>>2275904
i have never seen a billboard whining about how people all hate muslims for no reason

>>2275913
when you lie you have to be convincing.

Literally who gives a single fuck? Why does this matter at all in regards to the unbelievable cruelty of their racist apartheid state?

>W..well other people treated their grandparents like shit so now their desire to ethnically cleanse a people completely unrelated to that and establish an ethnostate on their land is more understandable


Fuck off ziorat


>>2275913
Maybe because Muslims have actually been slaughtered in the millions at the hands of American imperialism over the last decades

>>2275959
Lmao, not in the last 70 years they haven't, you Jewish exceptionalist you. Since 2000 alone more than a million arab Muslims have been murdered by American imperialism. How many Jewish people have been massacred by American imperialism or any kind of imperialism in that time? If anything, Israeli Jewish people are doing the massacring of these Arabs at the behest of America

Israhellis are settlers which means there's no such thing as an Israhelli civilian or Israhelli proletarian. A Palestinian state for all Palestinians (the national bourgeoisie is revolutionary, read Mao) stretching from the river to the sea needs to be established. Their forefathers shed their blood for that soil until Israhelli settlers purchased it illegally. Many Palestinian families still have the deed to their ancestral homes even, they literally have a legal right to that property. After the entity is destroyed Israhelli settlers can be expelled to Europe or executed. This is different than Zionism and Nazism because it's morally good and those are morally bad. Communism is about doing morally good things and stopping morally bad things. It's called dialectics and pragmatism, ultra.

>>2275619
>oppressed group
do not look up average income per religion in the US
you will shit bricks

>>2275767
correct take

>What is to be done with Israelis?
Irrelevant question as those in power 100% support this situation.

>>2276016
ethnic cleansing is revolutionary or something

>>2275980
>Noooooo how dare you advocate for palestinian statehood??!!? Don't you know states are le bad??? Carl Morx said so!! If the Palestinians weren't such filthy bourgeois nationalist they would have teamed up with the Israeli proletariat (who definitely aren't by n large racist genocidal maniacs who wholeheartedly support their extermination at the behest of their ethnostate) and overthrow the real oppressors!!

Kill yourself ultra

>>2276033
>ultras, anarchists, Agent Kochinskiites and liberals are the same thing
Every time. Look at South Africa, did the end of apartheid there bring world revolution any closer? Anti-Zionism is a liberal cause, you're supporting one form of bourgeois nationalism over another on moral grounds.

>>2276040
I guess it was bourgeois to be against the genocide of the native Americans and them being forcefully removed from their land. The Palestinians are being actively genocides unlike the indigenous Americans who have been practically genocided and are now akin to a “endangered” group and used as a conservation species like some zoo. You’re a liberal Zionist through and through and most likely a Agent Kochinskiite Bernstein super imperialism retard.

>>2276040
>>2276040
If your position is the same, you might as well be the same thing yes.

>South Africa

South Africa no longer practices apartheid, you think that's a bad thing? You think it would have been better or the same if apartheid hadn't ended?

>Muh world revolution

Jesus Christ, kill yourself you fucking larper

>National liberation is the same thing as settler colonialism

>Both side are the same
>Muh both sides
You are fucking retarded dude, you're literally indistinguishable from any anarchist or lib

>>2276040
>anti-zionism is a liberal cause
Wrong, liberals are in support of the Zionist state. They are annoyed by Netanyahu but that's as far as their disapproval of Israel goes.

>native american genocide was le progressive dead natives built the productive forces
>palis aren't getting genocided aktuly… genocide isn't a feature of our capitalist rules based order
this an ML larping as an ultra larping as an ML to badmouth communists

>>2276048
>I guess it was bourgeois to be against the genocide of the native Americans and them being forcefully removed from their land
It was literally worse than bourgeois, New World colonization replaced a pre-capitalist mode of production with capitalism. That's historically progressive. You haven't read Marx.

>>2276064
>>2276072
That being said you're both liberal campists

>I guess it was bourgeois to be against the genocide of the native Americans and them being forcefully removed from their land.
American expansion was historically progressive because it spread capitalist relations.

>>2276064
>South Africa no longer practices apartheid, you think that's a bad thing?
I think it didn't bring socialism any closer which is pretty obvious from the fact that we're 35 years on from apartheid and South Africa and the rest of the world are still capitalist. I don't give a shit about marginal improvement to capitalism, go ahead and vote for succdems if that's your politics.

>>2276102
>socialism isn't possible yet just keep doing bourgeois reformism for 5000 more years i promise 5000 more years of capitalism won't lead to the literal extinction of humanity
No thanks

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>>2276082
>It literally makes zero difference if Palestinians live under apartheid/genocide/as generations of refugees, if you advocate for their relief of that you are a liberal
You are a retard

>>2276095
>I think it didn't bring socialism any closer
Not what I asked is it? You think it's a bad thing apartheid ended? You are pro apartheid? You think it doesn't matter?

Deport anyone who doesn't renounce Zionism to the US, whats even the issue this shouldn't be controversial

>>2276111
>You think it doesn't matter?
Pretty much this, more than the other two. I don't think reforming capitalism on moral grounds is socialist. If it doesn't bring socialism closer idgaf about it

>>2276072
> liberals are in support of the Zionist state.
Depends on the liberal. Zionism is fueled by christian fundamentalism and anti-zionism is just another liberal battle over culture.

>>2276118
Ok well just because you don't care on an individual level doesn't mean that it's unimportant to the people actually living under that system you idealistic retard

>>2276079
You seem to have forgotten the fact that Marx and Engels praised the political form of the Iroquois as the skeleton of a future communist society.

How this obvious bait thread has not been saged or deleted is flabbergasting.

>>2276143
Was the replacement of primitive communism by the slave mode of production progressive or not?

Britain is 90% responsible for Israel. Deport all israelis to Britain.

>>2276167
They aren't brothers, they are racist genocidal settlers who razed hundreds of towns and expelled almost a million palestinians

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>juice should die
>uh palis should die
>atuly they should be broz
I ONLY CARE ABOUT THE WORKERS

I DON'T CARE YOUR INBRED NATION
I DON'T CARE YOUR DESERT CULT
I DON'T CARE YOUR RETARD CULTURE
I DON'T CARE YOUR SMALL BUSINESS
I DON'T CARE YOUR IMPERIALIST CAMP
I DON'T CARE IF ALL NON-PROLE JEWS AND ARABS DIED TOMORROW

I FUCKING HATE MORALISM AHHHHHGHHHHHHHGGGGG

>>2276183
btw I'm not using racist tropes if it came out this way 👀

All nations are inbred with reactionary culture and most happen to worship a cult founded in the desert

>>2276183
uygha read lenin

>>2276201
Read Marx

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Also threadly reminder that the west bank and gaza are de facto bourgeois states where wage labor and private property reigns and pali proles regularly massacred by both israel and their own state (they're often united in that in fact)

>>2276201
uygha read luxemburg

once the palestinian state exist most of these people without any integrity will flee to the US immidiately.

>>2276183
so true comrade, never mind everything marx wrote on the struggle of oppressed nations

>mfers calling themselves communists think the Palestinians will just be able to do a socialist revolution while they live under apartheid and are routinely slaughtered an masse
Absolutely shameful, you're all no better than zionazis

>>2274719
>90% of Israelis support Zionism.


Are you in favour of condemning thousands of that ten percent t simply by virtue of their birth. I know it's trendy among edgelords to advocate for all Israelis being ontologically evil but its also the kind of attitude that Zionism itself breeds

I don't think the average leftypol poster can imagine how evil, delusional and stupid most Israelis are. A solution will never come from within Israeli society. The only viable course of action, to both end the genocide and put Israel in its place, is military intervention.

Nothing else will work.

>>2276208
The Palestinian Authority security forces are inherently comprador guards who work for Israel. I have no idea about the mechanics of it in Gaza though

>>2276229
You have no idea how Israelis are. See my post here >>2276233

>>2276229
>Won't somebody please think of the genocidal maniacs maintaining an apartheid state??!??
Lmao alright lil bro

>>2276229
This ontologically evil israeli thing feels like a rehash of maoism third worldism, that sakai fed shit throwing class analysis out the window in favor of a discourse about race war and how settlers must be boiled alive by color liberationists.

You get banned "for zionist propaganda" by the liberal janny if you say anything other than total Israeli death. It's clear that they are genetically evil and need to be exterminated.

>>2276260
>>2276260
>You get banned "for zionist propaganda" by the liberal janny if you say anything other than total Israeli death

Based

theres always Owen jones YouTube channel for waxing about liberal zionism and the peace, co-existence. NGO industry

>>2276259
>color liberationists

Most Israelis are brown too. They're Jews from north Africa, middle east. And they are the same zionazi scum as white Jews. It's not white vs brown thing, Muslim vs Jew thing, Arab vs Jew thing etc'. It's natives against colonizers.

>>2276259
If there's one place where Sakai type shit might apply it's Israel, it's less than a century old and its citizens are prevented from engaging in class warfare by the state guaranteeing a)the existence of the kibbutz and b)a certain standard of life (universal healthcare, some high paying jobs wrapped up into its military-security complex that produces products for governments and corporations the world over).
Of course we can't forget bringing in heavily surveilled Indians, Southeast Asians and Palestinian "guest workers" to fill out some of the low wage industries (the service ones more directly waiting on Israeli citizens hand and foot) like the gulf states.
I'm doubtful about all of or even the majority of Israelis being maimed by a force of liberation, especially since a lot of Israelis will just leave the country, but I wouldn't be so shocked to see a few excesses.

>>2276278
>the existence of the kibbutz
To be entirely fair, the kibbutz have been watered down and have become more capitalistic, but I think I agree with you otherwise, Israel is like the Scandinavia of the middle east unless you're Arabic, of course :^)
The only reason I mention the degradation of the Kibbutz is because of a hope I have that the great standard of living will not last forever, but even if that does happen I do fear that Israelis will be inclined towards fascism rather than communism or any sort of solidarity with the Palestinians purely because of Israel's history, the memory of the good life Israel provided for its citizens will be embedded in the brains of Israelis, after all.

>>2276282
Yeah I know how the kibbutz have degraded since the fall of labor Zionism, but by guaranteeing the existence of the Kibbutz I mostly meant "get protected by the IDF on a day to day basis and when the settlers go out to claim/destroy another orchard or water source"
The kibbutznim and the IDF rank and file will probably be the vanguard of "real" fascism if Israel actually faces more pressure than what the Yemenis are currently doing, leaving maybe a strong minority of Israelis that try to be "neutral" at best.

>>2276259
dude only you are thinking in terms of ontology, there's nothing innate or even that special about israeli society. But you have to face the facts, look at what it actually does as a social system of human beings and how its class society is constructed.

There is no way in a million years you're going to convince Israelis, who's whole society exists as ethnic supremacist project at the behest of their ethnicity, to give up their class position over the palestinians. It is there to serve their practical real interests at the cost of the palestinians'.

There is literally zero point to humanizing zionists or israel, while they actively carry out a genocide mind you, as a westerner your best bet is to shit on them as much as possible and treat their state as the disgusting nazi state that it is, at least this pushes the overton window into a more radical position, one of actively encouraging resistance to this genocidal apartheid state.

>>2276277
>Most Israelis are brown too
No-one gives a fuck about this argument dude. It's besides the point, Israel is still white supremacist, it's just jewish supremacist first

>>2276330
>There is literally zero point to humanizing zionists or israel, while they actively carry out a genocide mind you, as a westerner your best bet is to shit on them as much as possible and treat their state as the disgusting nazi state that it is, at least this pushes the overton window into a more radical position, one of actively encouraging resistance to this genocidal apartheid state.
Because I have a small liberal side and a strong distaste for injustice and the murder of innocents I already do that, just like I shit on the US, Russia or my own nation state for the same reasons. But I'm not humanizing or dehumanizing anyone, and I'd underscore that a genocide is purely a human business. Just saying there are classes and its the Israel's rulling class that has those ideas of supremacy and genocide. If you don't believe that then you better be consequent and among other things call the US turtle island while asking for the descendants of people not from there to be deported.

>quoting Marx and Lenin to push for nationalist chauvinism
Lol.

No biblical Daniel vision of emancipation is coming so long as there are interests within bourgeois society to maintain the Israeli state. Only its complete abolition can do away with Israel, as with all statehood.

>This is a population that has gone beyond the point of no return.

What about the Israeli proletariat, which mainly consists of migrant labor from S & SE Asia, Africa etc and few Jewish reserveless service workers in tourism, military and civilian construction etc etc. They don't have a stake in Israeli expansion and military development and its subsequent escapades except as being appendages of capital. They don't get to own or at the very least benefit from profits or revenue generated from houses in kibbutzim, tourism or new firmware in civilian and military technology etc etc.

>>2276330
>Israel is still white supremacist, it's just jewish supremacist first
uygha Zionists and the ADL constantly scream bloody murder about muh white supremacists. WTF are you talking about

>>2276362
Israelis are still white, but honestly the "white supremacy" angle is idpol retardation and is really not what should be focused on here.

>>2276353
>Because I have a small liberal side and a strong distaste for injustice and the murder of innocents
lol

>But I'm not humanizing or dehumanizing anyone,

You are literally moralizing to people for being too dismissive of israeli lives, aka not humanizing them enough, on anonymous imageboards, what the fuck are you talking about

>Just saying there are classes and its the Israel's rulling class that has those ideas of supremacy and genocide

You have literally no idea what you're talking about, how can you type this and not be emberrased?

Not only is the ethnic supremacist ideology of zionism essential to the literal foundation as well as the metaphorical foundation of Israel and its society. This racist worldview is deeply imbedded across all levels of this society, this is well documented for decades. Juat look at the facts man, only 5% of israeli jews think that their government has gone too far. Listen to what actual israeli communists and anarchists even have to say about israel and how deep racism is implanted across its society instead of self righteously talking out your ass

>If you don't believe that then you better be consequent and among other things call the US turtle island while asking for the descendants of people not from there to be deported.

Get the fuck out of here with your weakass desperate conflation. THE INDIGENOUS GENOCIDE OF NATIVE AMERICANS WAS COMPLETED OVER A 100 YEARS AGO. While the palestinian one is still ongoing, in other words, there is still something that can be done about it. What people are trying to prevent is palestinians ending up like native americans or aboriginals. And if you scoff at that, you clearly don't have a fucking clue about what was done to those people and what their current situation looks like.

In short: you're full of shit

>>2276362
You're too america brained. Im talking about in Israeli society. Their racism extends beyond the palestians and is white supremacist in origin.

What american jews and zionists in the ADL do is not relevant

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I really don't know if there's anything any of us outside of Palestine can do, all we can really do is hope.

>>2276385
A revolution in America would cut off much of the Zionists' support system, just saying

>>2274724
Jannies really need to crack down on AI generated bait.


Y'all wishcasting revenge fantasies about irredeemable villains whose role to play is so fundamental, they'll be the last to fall before the USA collapses.

By the time anyone can "do anything about Israelis" their society would have collapsed. Because NATO has no more material means to support Israel. By then, you are just watching the collapse of the west in general. And Israeli society would have faced such irrecoverable military defeats, the place would be so ravaged by war, waged not by Israel, but by the combined forces of NATO in one last resort apocalyptic war to salvage the petrodollar that "Israel" as you conceive of it, as well as most of the region would not exist anymore.

This idea of "reforming" Israelis/Zionists and particularly Jews is pointless for the same reason why Palestine advocacy doesn't work. Zionism is intrinsically linked to the material benefits and detriments of keeping Israel a colony. The people of the region suffer the pressures of the colonial arrangement, but those at the principal sponsors in the west, simply don't. So the latter have no reason to commit to antizionism and you will never overpower the liberal PR machine.

The only way less people will be Zionist is when it comes with a hefty price to pay. And for that Israel needs to be defeated, because otherwise the benefits it reports to NATO will make their support for Zionism, unwavering.

>>2276377
> Their racism extends beyond the palestians and is white supremacist in origin.
Their "racism" is jewish supremacy. Do you believe that your average zionist thinks european goyim are his equals? lmao

>>2276428
Idk what you're talking about. im sure their racism extends to whatever goyim too, but they have their own white supremacy issues. How they treated arab jews and Ethiopian jews when they first arrived on the scene makes that evident, but it extends to the current day. Even as current arab jews are now the most fervently racist zionists lol, they'd probably foam at the mouth at the thought of someone calling them an arab jew, in a sense they are like uncle toms on steroids.

The point is that it's a moot point anyway, noone cares about this

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>>2276420 (me)
As long as Israel stands to materially benefit the west, Zionists will have the safest of havens in NATO.

That's also one of the reasons why, for example, Turkey holds so much power in the Syrian intervention by having kept the brunt of Syrian refugees. Turkey is doing the job of holding part of the friction of the conflict away from NATO. Imagine if, instead of remaining mostly on Turkey and Lebanon you had 6M war displaced refugees in the UK. Having roughly 10% of the population being the direct victims of your policy would make promulgating that policy a hell of a lot costlier.

That is also why NATO will never accept the brunt of the Palestinian diaspora, especially those recently displaced by the Nakba2. And that is why there will never be a cost to their Zionist policy.

>>2276385
>We do revolution
>New revolutionary American government dissolves NATO
>Halts all trade and support to Israel
>Uses existing military assets to blockade and embargo Israel
>Gets nukes by the Zionists anyways

>>2276544
I don't see a revolution happening soon enough to save Palestine.

>>2276544
Real fed shit.

>>2276362
The ADL isn't a primary Israeli org, it's a Jewish defense organization. Jews are a religion not a state or ab ethnicity. Semites are an ethnicity. So no, the ADL complain about white supremacy isn't the brain dead useless people that are the Israelites, a fake nation only propped up by the US. The UK were the first ones to form it in Zionist institutions then the US took the reigns in the postwar years. Without the US Israel doesn't exist.

>>2276553
>Israelites

Israelis*
Israelites are the biblical people that Israelis claim to descend from.

>>2276544
Why would they waste their nukes on targets across the sea when they have potential hostiles right on their borders?

>>2276544
>We do revolution
That sounds like a lot of work, what if we just stop buying hummus and post a lot about how a genocide is happening?
>>2276553
>a fake nation
I've got bad news for you

>>2276551
That's the real pill most of us have to swallow. We won't stop this genocide, it'll be completed by the end of the decade. It's like I said in another thread about neoliberalism, the only way out is through one way and that's by going through it. Like having to walk on burning coals to get to the light at the other end of a long tunnel. By the time we get to the other side our feet will be burnt to the bone but at least we shall finally know peace. We need ww3, we need all the nukes to go off, we need to go through the worst reactionary governments in order to come out of it. What's that saying? The night is darkest before the dawn? We need to go through the darkness, we have no choice or alternative. Things have to get severely bad before we get to the good stuff.

>>2276557
>I've got bad news for you
Nah, the US is the only thing keeping that states existence intact. The moment the US seizes all support is the moment that lifeline makes Israel collapse. It's a house of cards built on only one foundation. The moment the US stops all support is the moment any one of the mideast nations invade and take over.

>>2276566
You guessed the bad news incorrectly. What's a real nation?

Remember: the posters who start with ethnic elimination and mass forced deportation on an exclusively ethnic basis are mossad agents and should be reported for glowing like a supernova

>>2274719
If I had my way I'd drown over 95% of """"Israelis"""" in the mediterranean and that's exponentially more humane than what they do to Palestinians

Realistically tho they'll end up like the Pied Nors, Boers, Rhodesians and other repulsive descendants of settler colonizers

>>2276567
There is no such thing as a 'real' nation.

>>2276572
Correct

>>2276568
>they should be banned
There is a mod on this site who bans anyone who dares suggest anything less than blood and soil ethnic genocide. One time I posted a real street demonstration in the west bank where they were demanding (temporary) peace instead of being sacrificed in an unwinnable conflict and he writes it up like I'm Ben Shapiro. The official line of website is supportive of genocide.

>>2276671
>posting hasbara zioslop
Yeah you deserved the ban

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>>2276717
I'm confused as to why exactly he would say something like this?

>>2276727
Look at the controversy section on his Wikipedia it is quite long.

Even the views section is really bad too

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Feiglin

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>>2276728
Holy shit he's a literal Nazi.
Nevermind, it makes sense now, "blood and soil" and all that.

>>2276730
well yes, what do you think zionism is


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>>2276743
Well I meant that he was very overtly one.

>>2276745
>at least 2
>at least
one can only hope

>>2276746
>was
>On 15 June 2024, Feiglin said, in the context of the Gaza war, 'As Hitler said 'I can't live if one Jew is left,' we can't live here if one 'Islamo-Nazi' remains in Gaza and not before we return to Gaza and turn it into Hebrew Gaza'

>>2276730

Seems like a us style democrat from the manifest destiny era where the idea is that all people should become small landowners too with land privatization initiative.

They'll leave. If they refuse they'll be deported. If they fight back, they'll be killed.

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So it seems like the new pope is a zionist too

>>2276745
>at least two have killed themselves

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>>2276278
On that, the Jewish religious fanatics in the West Bank are like a vanguard that will take over a hilltop, terrorize the nearby Palestinians, and dig in, but I've read that a lot of people who have moved into West Bank settlements in recent years have done so because the land and housing is relatively cheap and then they get materially invested in occupation. (Israel is expensive.)

>>2275505
I also think Israel behaves barbarically but it's not simply settler-colonialism either. There is settler-colonialism in the West Bank but Israel is a hybrid of that and also a national project so the application of an anti-colonial war strategy like the FLN or Viet Minh hasn't worked. If that strategy worked, it would've worked, but it hasn't worked. I'm not sure what the solution is but at this point the Jews are not going to let themselves be driven out of there by force.

>>2276553
The attitude there among some of the generals and so on is that they stopped trying to decisively win wars and conquer territory like they did back in the 1960s because they have the U.S. behind them. Israel hasn't decisively won a war since the U.S. really started embracing Israel, so Trump indicating he's getting tired of Israel is therefore pushing Israel to (try to) finish the war once and for all (or whatever Bibi is saying).

>>2277825
>the application of an anti-colonial war strategy like the FLN or Viet Minh hasn't worked
That's because the Israelis aren't exactly foreign occupiers in the same way the French or other colonial powers were. They regard Israel as their home, not some cash cow to squeeze for resources and cheap labour. Indeed they regard *themselves* as the Indigenous population, so it's very unlikely that the classic anti-colonial strategy of making yourself more trouble than you're worth will pay off. The closest parallel is of course South Africa and Rhodesia, but in those cases the indigenous population vastly outnumbered the settlers, so they could simply exhaust and overpower them. In Palestin the populations are evenly split and the settlers have far more resources. I think the only way the Palestinians can win is if the Israelis lose their material advantage. Since Israel is not a self sustaining economic unit, this basically means the only way for it to be defeated is for the US to decline to the point where it is unwilling or unable to keep writing Israel blank cheques.

>>2277833
>Since Israel is not a self sustaining economic unit, this basically means the only way for it to be defeated is for the US to decline to the point where it is unwilling or unable to keep writing Israel blank cheques.
Odds of the Goynited States of Slopmerica to ever do that: zero

>>2277833
> US to decline to the point where it is unwilling or unable to keep writing Israel blank cheques.

Not gonna happen.

I think that the only real solution is military intervention. And nothing will work.

>>2277889
>>2277887
It will happen if they're physically incapable supporting them, hence why I mentioned further American decline was necessary.

>>2277895
Oh then we have nothing to worry about, Felix said he was going to overthrow the government any day now

>>2277833
>the Israelis aren't exactly foreign occupiers in the same way the French or other colonial powers were. They regard Israel as their home,
this is true but I get the impression there is an anxiety always at there back of their mind. what if they are just europeans LARPing like all the anti zionists say? why do these aryan looking Israelis with American accents keep saying khhhhamas and khezbollah and khssan nasrallakh. is it because they're trying to 'fit in' with the region?

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>>2277833
>In Palestin the populations are evenly split and the settlers have far more resources. I think the only way the Palestinians can win is if the Israelis lose their material advantage.
I think the First Intfada had them down really bad. That's my impression. It was really a bottom-up uprising, and the PLO didn't even know WTF was going on at first, because they were in exile in Tunisia. Then the Israelis went out to confront crowds of kids throwing rocks at them, and that was demoralizing to Israeli soldiers and to Israeli society. It was militant and confrontational but it wasn't the same thing as a war. This is when a lot of famous pictures of Palestinian kids running up to Israeli tanks were taken. That was in the late 1980s.

There's a very simple and psychological reason why this was demoralizing. Soldiers want to serve their country and want to prove themselves. The problem is, you can't do that against someone who is much weaker than you. You're in a lose-lose situation. If you let the much weaker person kill you, you're an idiot, but if you kill him then you're a bastard.

To fight somebody who is weak makes YOU weak.

But there's this attitude among resistance supporters (I'm not saying this is what Palestinians are saying) who are like "Israel is going to be DESTROYED and WE'RE STRONG" and here's a video of a Merkava being blown up by an RPG. I see this a lot. I don't know if that is actually helpful, to be honest. Or it doesn't have the same effect on the Israeli psyche, and it might feed the evil rather than demoralizing it (even if the intentions and actions are heroic in the circumstances). And again, I'm not subjected to an Israeli military occupation, and I do feel uncomfortable telling anybody what to do.

>Since Israel is not a self sustaining economic unit, this basically means the only way for it to be defeated is for the US to decline to the point where it is unwilling or unable to keep writing Israel blank cheques.

The flip side is that there's an argument in Israel about trying to wean Israel off U.S. assistance as being in Israeli interests. They can also be hypocritical (and there are also Israelis with different opinions though) when they bitch that U.S. doesn't give them e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g they ask for (even though it's way more than many countries), but it's like this "hugging Israel" shit that you see American politicians do. The left doesn't believe the U.S. is restraining them at all, but there are Israelis who do think the U.S. is and does, and this hugging shit is how my country's glorious leaders do it. They show up, and hug them, and say we luuuuv uuuuu and then whisper "plz don't nuke somebody" because we also think they're kind of crazy.

But Israel is also like an R&D testing lab for American weapons which are developed in Israel but are co-owned by the U.S. and Israel which bypasses the bureaucratic red tape in the United States. The nationalist argument against Israel "aid" in the U.S. is "we're just giving money to Israel, what does AMERICA get out of it?" But "America" is an abstraction here. The military-industrial complex gets a lot out of it because the military financing aid is conditioned on buying American weapons, so it's an indirect subsidy to the U.S. MIC. This populist thing about "they think we're suckers" is not actually the case when it comes to the people who run the United States. There are other suckers but Raytheon (which co-owns and makes Iron Dome) are not suckers. That shit Trump is talking about the "Golden Dome" is also based on it.

>>2277899
> why do these aryan looking Israelis with American accents keep saying khhhhamas and khezbollah and khssan nasrallakh. is it because they're trying to 'fit in' with the region?
<In total, about 53% of the Israeli population speaks Hebrew as a native language
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language#Current_status

>>2277899
A large proportion of Israelis were born there, and their families have lived there for generations. I'm not about to run off to eastern Europe just because my grandparents are from there since this is the only home I've ever known. I'd imagine a lot of them feel the same way.
>>2277905
>The flip side is that there's an argument in Israel about trying to wean Israel off U.S. assistance as being in Israeli interest
They'd be correct to say that. Israel in its current form could never survive in the long term. It simply cant produce enough equipment, fuel, parts, and weapons to sustain the kind of high tech, resource intensive military they've built for themselves. Without the US they'd end up like South Vietnam, who had this massive army built in America's image, using American doctrine, etc. but once the US bailed they didn't have the resources to keep it operational. The Greater Israel project isn't just the purview of religious or nationalist fanatics, something like large scale territorial expansion, rapid population growth, and major industrialization would be necessary for Israel to stand on its own two feet, but I don't think that's likely since nearly 60 years after 1967 they still haven't fully pacified Gaza and the West Bank. I think in the long term Israel is doomed to fail simply because it won't be able to become self sufficient before the US empire begins terminal decline. Once that happens it's only a matter of time before it collapses from exhaustion and attrition the way Rhodesia and South Africa did.

>>2277905
>a video of a Merkava being blown up by an RPG. I see this a lot. I don't know if that is actually helpful, to be honest. Or it doesn't have the same effect on the Israeli psyche, and it might feed the evil rather than demoralizing it (even if the intentions and actions are heroic in the circumstances). And again, I'm not subjected to an Israeli military occupation, and I do feel uncomfortable telling anybody what to do.

I will tell u man, first of all forget about the israeli psyche, have you seen what these people justify and how they talk about the genocide they're perpetrating? How much more evil can they be possible be fed into? Personally I think it pisses them the fuck off, they're seething as fuck that they could never pull off heroic shit like in those vids. But that makes no difference in terms of how much suffering they inflict on the palestinians I think they'd be just as cruel regardless.
Secondly, Im not trying to speak for all palestinians or something, but from talking to some about it, they love that shit dude. There's few things that uplift them more than seeing some badass blow of a tank of full of those genocidal nazis, it's helpful on that ground alone
>But there's this attitude among resistance supporters (I'm not saying this is what Palestinians are saying) who are like "Israel is going to be DESTROYED and WE'RE STRONG"
It's fine to posture against zionists, I don't think there's any harm in it

>>2277924
>A large proportion of Israelis were born there, and their families have lived there for generations. I'm not about to run off to eastern Europe just because my grandparents are from there since this is the only home I've ever known. I'd imagine a lot of them feel the same way.

People felt like this in every colonial state dawg, they didn't wanna go back either, Israel is not special in this regard. The only difference is that there's not a single nation of origin. But their metropole is the united states. If it came to it, that's probably where all the ones that don't want to live in a democratic state will flock to, maybe western europe/eu as well

>>2277803
Honestly, I genuinrly think Jews did in fact kidnap, rape and bleed young Christian children to death. They peddle degenerate material and have no consciousness.

>>2278080
*consciences
Fuck my ESL life

>>2277895
In your opinion, do you feel America is in such a state where this seems likely?

>>2277924
>They'd be correct to say that. Israel in its current form could never survive in the long term. It simply cant produce enough equipment, fuel, parts, and weapons to sustain the kind of high tech, resource intensive military they've built for themselves. Without the US they'd end up like South Vietnam, who had this massive army built in America's image, using American doctrine, etc. but once the US bailed they didn't have the resources to keep it operational.
I think the main thing is the air force. If you look at it, it's all American stuff. Used to be French. The U.S. got them hooked on an American supply chain for the F-15s and F-16s and now F-35s. But the ground force is a different story. It's built differently from the U.S. and not comparable to South Vietnam. They also have their own arms industry and carved out a niche in the Cold War selling Western-style weapons to all kinds of crazy countries at a lower cost. In terms of "economic complexity" (i.e. diversity and sophistication of industry) they're slightly ahead of China.

>>2279115
>But the ground force is a different story.
Sure but without their air force their advantage would be much, much smaller. They wouldn't be able to deliver nearly as much ordinance with complete impunity, which is what results in the casualties being so lopsided.

>>2279116
Not only that, but they wouldn't be able to strike at Iran. Well, they'd probably figure out a way to keep things flying (even Iran has managed to keep old F-14s from the 1970s like Top Gun flying), but it would be pretty painful.

>>2279115
>they're slightly ahead of China
Doubtful. China's older air combat systems are capable of taking out western gen 4.5 and China's newest fighter jet SAC J-50 looks in terms of aerodynamics & stealth like nothing else seen so far.

>>2279142
Israel has been a major supplier of military hardware for china though

>>2279142
I'm talking about ECI more generally. Like how diversified and complex an industrial economy is overall. But Israel has struggled to build its own aircraft, that's true. I think they probably could and they used to reverse-engineer and make their own French Mirage fighters back in the 60s or something but it'd be very expensive.

>>2279120
Honestly I think a bigger issue than the planes themselves would be munitions. They'd never be able to produce enough bombs and shells on their own without a major overhaul of their economy. Even then, without the American subsidies the financial costs of waging a war like thus would skyrocket and impact living standards. A lot of dual passport holders might question whether it was worth it to live in some besieged country with an Eastern Europe tier economy, and a lot less foreign Jews would probably immigrate.

>>2279152
I hope it doesn't backfire.

>>2279183
Not sure about the quality of Israel's MIC in general. They have decent drones, however i highly doubt that they are more advanced than China's current gen drones. Israel proved a number of times (in particular evil manner) though that they are very good, if not most capable, when it comes to IT networking, surveillance, intrusion and sabotage hardware and software.

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>>2274719
What will happen to the Israeli's is in the hand of the Palestenian resistance and maybe their allies should they allow them to aid in a hypothetical reconstruction/ reclamation of Palestine.
It will also will depend on wether the Israeli's contribute to decolonisation and help rebuild the Palestenian nation while abolishing their own. If they choose to remain Zionists, the Palestenians will handle them accordingly.

Outside looking in though, I reckon we're probably going to see a Rhodesia-style settler exodus should the Palestenians win. A lot of Israeli's have dual citizenship. If a bunch of South African Boers can claim they're being "genocided" and be taken in by the USA, I'm sure orange ᴉuᴉlossnW could do the same with the Zionists.

>>2279820
The cheap FPVs from China which they can produce in unbelievable quantities is huge. Israeli drone tech might be more advanced in some dimension (maybe, I don't know) but I'd rather have China's production lines. The thing Israel is #1 at tech wise is missile defense.

>>2279864
> The thing Israel is #1 at tech wise is missile defense.
And yet during the Iran missile posturing, what got reported as basic ballistic missiles got through. I kind of expected the point of all this bragging about the dome and whatnot to be no just capable of shooting down homemade rockets reliably (at an exorbitant cost). But to take away the non-nuclear MAD with Iran.However, It looked like if they actually had a MAD situation no amount of domes and shields and slings could stop conventional missiles from raining down on Tel Aviv.

Even the occasional Yemeni drone or missile seems to get through. And plenty of Hizbollah rockets and drones as well.

>>2274719
the goal of the muslims is to murder all the jews in the world, it's literally a religious commandment for them

>>2279846
I stg if a bunch a fuckin zios and boers start coming over here I'll show em what actual discrimination and prejudice look like lmao wanna bitch and moan abt le white genocide mfer imma about to show what actual discrimination feels like when I through a brick at your fucking car spray paint malema was right on your fuckin crib

>>2274719
What's going to happen is the israelis are going to kill everyone in their way, and create greater israel.

No amount of moralism and 18th century ethnic politics will make the existance of the israeli working class less real or relevant.

>>2275505
Only good take

>>2275619
>Zionism is simultanously a settler colonial project that oppresses Palestinians and national liberation for an oppressed group
That's the fate of all "national liberations"

>>2275505
>are in Israel because their ancestors were forcefully kicked out of some other place.
Well, if it worked once… Maybe next "jewish homeland" should be built on the eathnic cleansing of most of Germany. Honestly, we should give it a good honest try. Just draw some shitty borders, slap dash on the middle of Europe and send the big boy genociders there to clear the land.

But the truth is there is no such thing as a homeland for Jews. THere is only a NATO outpost safeguarding travel routes and the regional interests of the USA in upholding the pretrodollar. So even if by some supernatural means Pissrael was moved elsewhere, literally anywhere else, it would immediately collapse because there is no where near the material incentive for NATO to uphold their shitty colony anymore.

And because without Israel, NATO would enter a deep economic crisis as the middle east begins to emancipate. I reckon NATO would rather raze most of it than risk losing the petrodollar.

>>2281135
weak bait

>>2281181
They are correct though.

>>2281135
>the israeli working class less real or relevant.
The argument goes like this: I suggest that, like pretty much any other human problem, can be solved with sufficient application of violence and the imposition of an alternative framework of economic relations IE. socialism.

Then you go on to make the argument for me that NATO would never allow it and, in your zeal to evoke rage and enshrine the Zionist power, that the only reason Pissrael exists, is to be the local enforcer of NATO interests.

Zionism is a political ideology. The Jewish Bunds (look up Bundism) and various other worker-based socialist movements for Jews and by Jews were almost universally anti-zionist.

>>2281263
They were also opportunist anti revolutionary economists dragging at the heels of the bolsheviks like every other J menchevik including the famous J menchevik bolshevik hybrid trotsky himself

Gonna be real for a second, an actual resolution to Israel-Palestine will in reality probably look like modern Bosnia.

>>2281389
Why would NATO allow that sort of infighting when they hold all the cards themselves? It was benefitial to NATO to break down Yugoslavia and balkanize it along reactionary lines. The opposite is true for Israel.

>>2281400
Because a strong israel is becoming a liability. Turkey is on the verge of creating a soft power ottoman empire because of Israel. What the west wants is a jewish state that shuts the fuck up and stops antagonising its oil-supplying neighbours. At least nowadays.

>>2281413
>that shuts the fuck up and stops antagonising its oil-supplying neighbour
That is the literal reason why Israel exists though. To keep the compradors in line and exert NATO's influence over their politics so they can keep being western clients. You may aswell believe that NATO wants to demilitarize Ukraine and Taiwan so they stop being obnoxious attack dogs.

>What is to be done with Israelis?
Extermination.

>>2274738
How are they supposed to live with people who overwhelmingly support brazen genocide? https://archive.md/yI4Dy (translate it)


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