https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/story/841072/%C3%B6calan-urges-new-brotherhood-pact-in-message-from-imrali
>In a gesture of international engagement, Öcalan extended his gratitude to leftist thinkers and global allies, particularly French philosopher Alain Badiou and Slovenian philosopher Slavoj Žižek.>“I thank the intellectuals, especially Badiou and Žižek, who have sent messages of solidarity and support for the peace and brotherhood process. I hope we can come together through internationalist and socialist efforts,” he said.the movement is cooked if he's thanking žižek
it's all a big cia ploy
>>2275686This OcaCuck guy is a Fucking clown, it’s quite pathetic to think that this Retard back in the 1980s was a real Marxist-Leninist who was backed by the USSR and desired to create a Independent Socialist Kurdistan, only for him to sell out to the U$/Zionist State after the USSR collapsed and reject Marxism-Leninism and the creation of an Independent Kurdish State in favor of cringe “Democratic Confederalism” and “Jineology”, the former of which is some retarded Anarchism which has zero Dialectical Materialist theory behind it that has never been successful in any real world setting, while the latter is an Orientalist Bastardization of Feminism which promotes a bizarre fetishization of Kurdish women in order to honeypot horny westerners to volunteer for them and desperately beg Western governments to give them money/weapons (never mind the fact that Turkey is NATO member, and when push comes to shove, the U$ will always support Turkey over the Kurds) using the classic “damsel in distress” trope, with this all culminating in OcaCuck surrendering to the Turks, thus giving up any phony pretense of fighting the Turkish genocide of Kurdistan, all so he can get let out of his Cuck island jail, and become Erdogans pet Kurd Anarchist retard, all while he ordered the Syrian wing of his U$/Zionist-backed circus troupe to fight Baathist Syria (never mind that Baathist Syria backed him with money/weapons/training when he was a Marxist-Leninist who wanted Self-Determination for the Oppressed Kurdish Nation) and host U$ bases, but the minute Assad is overthrown, they immediately surrender to the Sunni Islamists, so much for “Jineology” and “Democratic Confederalism”, and the pathetic nature of the PKK is really tragic because the Oppressed Kurdish Nation deserve a real Marxist-Leninist movement that will seek the National Liberation of Kurdistan in a Independent Socialist Kurdish State, which is what the PKK originally was before OcaCuck went Nuts, 😂🤣🤢🤮✊😜!
>>2275686>Thanks people who offered solidarity<you see, this is proof of CIAIs this schizophrenia?
Either way. Sort it out mods.
>>2276926Trump put it best:
https://www.newarab.com/Comment/2020/6/24/Boltons-book-and-why-Trump-betrayed-the-Kurds> Trump had this to say: "I don't want to stay at all. I don't like the Kurds. They ran from the Iraqis, they ran from the Turks, <the only time they don't run is when we're bombing all around them with F-18s." Obviously there was no future for a socialist state predicated on US bombing runs.
There is a lot more to get into tho.
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO he thanked le sniff man, he's an imperialistPathetic.
By this logic Xi Jing Ping's a NATO simp and an impeirlist because he spoke highly of Kissinger
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3243315/henry-kissinger-giant-diplomacy-remembered-unwavering-commitment-china-us-ties >>2277134Or hell China is imperialist because they opened trade deals with the USA
https://ebrary.net/171035/history/transcripts_meeting_nixon_kissinger_hou_1972>>2277134>shed the last vestiges of socialismThe PKK as well as the KCK concluded that a nation-state for the Kurds wasn't a sustainable or viable option, given the fall of the USSR. Hence why they decided upon dem-con.
Secondly, the PKK argue that world imperialism is a system and that syria, the DPRK, Cuba and Iran are the only forces that in one way or another are resisting capitalist modernity in pdf related.
And secondly they've only "abandoned socialism" in so far that they don't believe in a nation-state model that ML theory usually advocates for. Outside of that, they are very much in favour of socialism.
>>2215670>>2267906 >>2277305From the article that you totally read:
>After the dissolution of real socialism, or rather integrating of it with the system, the anarchist movements which are as old as real socialism and find their roots in French Revolution deserve a re-evaluation. Today it is better understood that the famous representatives of anarchism, Proudhon, Bakunin and Kropotkin were not completely wrong in their criticisms regarding the system and real socialism. They are salient (catch attention) with being located at the most opposite pole to the system, as being a movement who criticizes capitalism not only as private and state monopoly, but also as modernity.
>The critiques they make towards the power, in both moralist (ethical) and political ways carry important level of truth inside. The social structures they come from effects the movement in obvious ways. The “class” reactions of aristocratic groups who lost power and city artisans who got relatively worse situation due to capitalism, reflect this very reality. The facts that they remain at an individual level, can not find grassroots and cannot develop a counter-system are strongly connected to their social structures. They know well what capitalism does, but they do not know well what they should do. If we summarize shortly their view;
<They criticize the capitalist system from the most left position. They comprehend better that this system destroys the moral and political society. They do not attribute progressive role to capitalism, as Marxists do. Their approach to the societies destroyed by capitalism is more positive. They do not see those societies as backwards and obliged to decline, but find the survival of those more moral and political.
<They have a more comprehensive and realistic approach towards the power and the state compared to Marxists. Bakunin is the one who said power is the absolute evil. However, demanding removal of power and state immediately at any rate is utopian and an approach which does not have so much chance to be realized in practice. They were able to foresee that socialism cannot be built based on the state and power, and that might end up in more dangerous and bureaucratic capitalism.
<Their foresight, that centralist nation-state would be a disaster for all working class and popular movements and would crush their hopes, is realistic. They also turned out to be right in their critiques towards Marxists regarding the unification of Germany and Italy. Their statement about history developing in favor of nation-states would mean big loss for the utopia of freedom and equality, their criticizing Marxists for taking position at the side of the nation-state and blaming them with betrayal are important aspects to emphasize. They defended confederalism.
<Their ideas and criticisms on bureaucratism, industrialism and urbanization are verified up to a certain level. In their developing anti-fascist and ecologist stance at an early stage, those ideas and critiques played an important role.
<Their criticisms towards the real socialism is also verified by the dissolution of the system. They are the fraction who diagnosed best that what was built was not socialism but state capitalism.
>Despite their all those important and verified ideas and criticisms, it is quite puzzling that they could not massify themselves (become a mass movement, original in turkish: kitleselleşme) and find the chance of practical implementation. I believe this comes from serious deficiency and infirmity (lack of firmness) in their theory. The lack in their analysis of civilization and inability to develop an applicable system played an important role in this. Historical analysis of society and analysis of solutions were not developed.
>Furthermore, they themselves carry the impact of positivist philosophy. It cannot be so much said that they were able to diverge from Euro-centric social sciences. Their biggest failure, according to me, is not being able to go into a systematic thought and structure regarding the democratic politics and modernity. They did not put the detailed effort in systematizing and practicing (implementation), which they put into correctness of their ideas and critiques. Maybe their class position hindered this.
>Another important obstacle is the reaction they show against every kind of authority, in their theoretical views and in their practical lives. Projecting the rightful reaction they have against the power and the state authority into every form of authority and order, had impact on them not bringing democratic modernity into question in theory and in practice. I believe for them the most important aspect of self-critique is not seeing the legitimacy of democratic authority and necessity of democratic modernity.
>In addition, not developing the option of democratic nation instead of nation-state is an important missing point and subject of self-critique. Without doubt, anarchists had an important impact in the dissolution of real socialism, development of feminist and ecologist movements, and growing of “civil society-ism” (original in turkish: sivil toplumculuk) in the left. However, repeating that they’ve been proven right does not mean a lot. The question they have to answer is why they did not develop an assertive activity and construction of a system. This brings our minds the deep gap between the theory and their lives. Were they actually able to overcome the modern life they criticize a lot? Or, how coherent are they in this? Are they able to leave the Euro-centric life and step into a real global democratic modernity?
>It is possible to multiply similar question and critiques. It is a movement which showed great sacrifices in the history, which carried important thinkers within, took important space in the intellectual arena with its important idea and criticisms. The important thing is to gather this movement and the legacy of it inside of a coherent and growable counter-system. Compared to the real socialists, it is more possible for anarchists to trend towards daily praxis via self critique.
>It is still important that they take the place they deserve in economic, social, political, intellectual and ethical struggle. In the struggles which gained speed and came forward with the cultural aspects in the ground of Middle East, it is possible for anarchists to both renew themselves and make strong contributions. They are one of the important forces that is needed to collaborate with in the works of re-construction of democratic modernity.
>t-they're literally anarchistsLet me guess, you still think Bookchin was an anarchist as well, despite him breaking with the tendency?
>>2277297>By this logic Xi Jing Ping's a NATO simp and an impeirlist because he spoke highly of Kissinger>Or hell China is imperialist because they opened trade deals with the USASo close yet so far…
>The PKK as well as the KCK concluded that a nation-state for the Kurds wasn't a sustainable or viable option, given the fall of the USSR.A statement that is patently absurd outside of a narrow social-chauvinist view of "revolution" predicated on a savior-state artificially propping-up the national war. This is one of the worst leftover tendencies of the Third International, and flies in the face of every successful national liberation war, which was in the main predicated on effective self-reliance rather than outside support. Support from the USSR, China, and other revolutionary states has absolutely been important, but between the internal and external it will always be the internal contradictions and how revolutionary forces navigate them that will decide victory. PKK leadership is ideologically unable and unwilling to carry out effective self-criticism and rectification to account for their mistakes and the advances of Turkish fascism, and instead are integrating themselves with Turkish fascism as a neo-colonial force a-la the Palestinian Authority and Israel.
>the PKK argue that world imperialism is a systemWow. What a unique analysis. Is water wet too?
>and that syria, the DPRK, Cuba and Iran are the only forces that in one way or another are resisting capitalist modernityAgain, a statement which is patently absurd and social-chauvinist in nature. Instead of looking at the living revolutionary movement around the world, a movement which has experienced setbacks but surges forward in rectifying past errors and preparing to incite a world revolutionary crisis. The bankrupt PKK leadership is instead waiting for a crisis to come to them, blessed upon them from on-high by what states it arbitrarily deems as "resisting". Never you mind that the DPRK never even managed to complete its own revolution, Cuba is a shell of its former self, and Iran is only "resisting" insofar as Israel, Turkey, and the US are obstacles to its own regional imperialist ambitions.
>they've only "abandoned socialism" in so far that they don't believe in a nation-state model that ML theory usually advocates for.So they've abandoned socialism. This is like saying "I'm in favor of buying a pet fish, but not the fish tank!" Tell me, how exactly do you imagine the PKK is going to sustain anything resembling socialism without a state? They certainly aren't going to take up arms against the fascist Turkish state to fight for a socialist Turkey, that's for sure! Or do you imagine that the fascist Turkish state will simply allow the Kurds they were previously shooting like fish in a barrel to set up a parallel socialist economy, separate from Turkish capitalism and extraction, within its borders? This national bourgeois fantasy of "democratic confederalism" within an imperialist and fascist state is going to get thousands, if not millions more Kurds killed and scatter genuine revolutionary forces.
At best this will result in another Chiapas, where formerly revolutionary forces wither and die as the state slowly strangles their "self-determination" while leadership delusionally sits contented with the unsustainable enclave they've carved out.
>>2277305Can't believe you would rather paste images together to pass logically weak assertions than read.
Leftypol.com i guess.
>>2277898It's cute when they start trying to borrow points they don't understand like "Rojava is doing what Lenin said, it's basically Dengism"
Mainly happens when they've backed into a corner over something stupid
>>2277904didn't know there was an english translation of it, I highly recommend reading this
öcalan is an opportunist and a chauvinist
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