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The annual Socialism Conference in Chicago is just a few short weeks away! Have you secured your ticket yet?

https://socialismconference.org/

The subject came up in the current /ukr/ thread, >>2279417 , specifically the 2019 article by The Gray Zone outing many of the participants as USAID/NED funded glowies:
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/07/06/dsa-jacobin-iso-socialism-conference-us-funded-regime-change/

And the weaksauce rebuttal for what little it's worth:
https://newpol.org/in-defense-of-socialist-internationalism-answering-the-propaganda-of-the-authoritarian-left/

This thread is for discussing the upcoming event, which I think is safe to say will be the tastemaking event of the year as far as pseudo-left talking points are concerned. Why not get a preview of the hottest psy ops and troll topics of the coming year BEFORE they hit forums near you? It's GLOW-CON!
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>>2296759
Damn, should I start charging people to read my posts, then? Because that convention is worth less than just reading my shitposts.


>>2296974
Looks like generic AI slop. If you want that glow, you should use the raised fist symbol that they use in almost every one of their "revolutions".

>>2296996
What's more revolutionary than spending 165 bucks to hear about how indigenous sex is queering the revolution

Given as Haymarket Books is a well-known and relatively well resourced publisher for commie and radical theory, there is a place for the conference in the sense of activists and organizers attending in order to spread knowledge and connect. There's enough plurality in their works and ideas that they publish to which despite cringe things like platforming support for Syria in its current state that it's worth attending if you can afford the time and money.

I've attended before and there's enough there for issues that any leftist cares about. Like, ok, if you don't want to hear apologetics for Al Nusra, attend a workshop on tenant organizing or something.

>>2296979
>>2296670
>>2297051
The money is going towards the rent for a venue in downtown Chicago, and towards included professional childcare (which by itself would be a lot more than the cost of a standard ticket.) If you want to hold an event on this scale, you're going to incur costs.

That said, the cost is still hard to stomach for me with a session schedule that looks like that. I wouldn't even have to pay for hotel costs like I assume the majority of participants will, yet I'm still on the fence whether to cough up $155 (or even $65) to attend. A major deciding factor for me would be how much they tolerate heckling, which I'm guessing isn't much.

>>2279551
>Richard Seymour

That one hurts oof.

At least it's not the Australian 'Socialism' conference hosted by SAlt, the revolutionary-electoralist non-worker trotskyist split

>>2279631
>Calling it X

>>2283534
>They're the number one detailers of US crimes of empire and Israeli genocide
Citation needed.

>>2297014
>Daily Caller
Might as well have linked Breitbart

>>2297074
>The money is going towards the rent for a venue in downtown Chicago
Well, sure, but then why have it in downtown Chicago? Why have a physical event paywalled by tickets+travel+lodging etc at all?

>>2298019
The party's finest socialist market analysts have determined that books and Karl Marx branded coffee mugs are 10% more likely to sell at a convention table than if you only link them.

>>2298019
>why have it in downtown Chicago?
Because the offices of Haymarket Books are there, and they more than anyone else are the ones organizing the event. I'm not an expert on venue planning, but I'm not sure you'd be able to save a whole lot of money doing things outside a purpose-built convention center - sure, you save on rent, but then you have to haul in and set up tons of chairs and PA equipment to whatever rural warehouse you've picked out for cheap, then attendees have to rent cars from the airport and train station and figure out where to park… or you can just have a $100 cover charge and avoid all that hassle.
>Why have a physical event paywalled by tickets+travel+lodging etc at all?
There actually are groups that have decided that physical events just aren't worth it anymore, but the majority think that the excitement, comradery, and ease of debate and discussion makes physical events worth the expense. For a negative example, look at the SEP / WoosWoos's somnambulant "International Online Rallies". They might boast about how ever many thousands of people view them on Youtube, but watch this and tell me how many of them are inspired to take action.

>>2279539
Literally who?

holy fuck this is basically reddit

>>2279528
>the gayzone
the only part of your post worth a damn

>>2298046
>Literally who?
For real?

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>starts crying when forced to consider Israeli holocaust on Palestinians
Tell me about anyone else putting pressure on them like this before you criticize the Grayzone.

>>2298041
I suppose you have a point there as far as the utility of physical events.

>>2298056
Would be a funny word filter

>>2298070
Disgusting.

if there was a real left in america, they'd all show up for this…..




















…..armed with machine guns.

/leftypol/ chicago meetup lads?

>>2296297
I could not afford to go if I was invited ( i wasnt 😎)

Why not have it at a hotel conference room lmao why make it some ritzy event

Fucking larpers are conpletely detatched from the working class

>>2298070
pretty young for a holocaust survivor huh

>>2298070
Why didn't he just deck her? Americans are so pathetic.

>>2298070
>im a holocaust survivor

>>2298070
The second he says the G word the MK ultra experiments wake up from their coma.
>>2298337
Pussy culture and pussy people.
>>2298145
They arent larping, this is a glowie con.

>>2298070
I can do both look vaccines work and israel is bad

>>2298337
>Why didn't he just deck her? Americans are so pathetic.
Do you want to get a "hitting a girl" enhancement from a female judge? You'll be doing 20 years.

>>2298350
The imperialist form of gender equality is just flicking a switch between who is "more privileged" of the two genders. Under capitalism there needs to be inequality between groups or else they would start to see common interests between each other and try and form a class of common interest. Workers need to be constantly at each others throats hating each other in an artificial environment controlled by bourgeois influence. This is why men's rights groups are able to radicalize people because most of the things they say are true but they never actually choose to do a materialist analysis of society because that would involve talking about class interest and the contradictions between labor and capital.

>>2279539
>N+1
lmaooo who still reads that schlock?

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>>2298070
>glowie vs glowie
Fuck her and fuck the grayzone. Simple as. How about not kissing any boots and you know forming your own opinions loser?

>>2298369
>the quirky guy is just as bad as the genocidal lunatics
best cointelpro talking point?

>>2279546
'anti-kashmiri racism' lmao
Kashmiris are the biggest racists in South Asia

>>2298338
I'm inclined to think she misspoke in the heat of her self righteous indignation, but "holocaust survivor" seems to be getting stretched pretty far lately.

Cynically, I think it's because there just aren't that many direct survivors of the genocide left, and that's a detriment to the Holocaust industry, but that's just a shallow impression.

>>2298111
Erm, what the sigma

https://thegrayzone.com/tag/vaccines/

There are only like 4 articles on vaccines so what antivax stuff are you talking about exactly

>>2299240
Nvm I think I found it: https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/09/establishment-daily-beast-rolling-stone-intelligence-ties/

>On July 15, Rolling Stone announced Shachtman “will lead content, editorial strategy and manage [its] illustrious staff.” Among its initial bows to Shachtman’s ascendancy, Rolling Stone removed from its website, after 16 years, a 2005 article called “Deadly Immunity” written by Kennedy.


>Why go back that far to change the past? Kennedy’s piece was about thimerosal in vaccines. He had constructed the article around the previously secret transcript of a clandestine 2000 meeting between 52 pharmaceutical chieftains, academic researchers and public health bureaucrats in a remote Georgia retreat center known as Simpsonwood. The Simpsonwood transcripts show the participants plotting strategies for hiding a 1,135% elevated risk of autism among vaccinated children — compared to unvaccinated — disclosed by an alarming internal CDC study of the government’s largest vaccine database.


>Rolling Stone and Salon had both extensively fact-checked Kennedy’s controversial piece prior to publishing it. Under pressure by pharmaceutical companies, Salon removed Kennedy’s article in 2011 citing undisclosed “factual misinformation.” Rolling Stone steadfastly defended the article as factually accurate for an additional decade until shortly before Shachtman’s arrival. In an article headlined “How the Anti-Vaxxers Got Red-Pilled,” writer Tim Dickinson announced: “The story no longer appears on Rolling Stone’s website.”


Boosting Kennedy isn't great but I think the overall scope of the article is more than just being anti-vax, especially when it was written. Aside from that though even if they are anti-vax weirdos that doesn't mean their other reporting isn't valid.

>>2279518
I went there years ago and it was embarrassing. Trots from Spartacist League (US) defending ISIS and just outside some folks from RevCom were stomping on American flags shouting their Avakian BAsics slogans at the top of their lungs. I'm convinced to this day that one of the speakers at the event was a fed and since this was at the peak of the syrian war they were defending Levant forces in the FSA against "Russian and Assadist imperialism." Needless to say, I feel I wasted money and I wish I could blot that event from my memory.

>>2299344
Grayzone writers have terminal conspiracy brain so they immediately jumped on the Covid vax hype train.

Ben Norton cringed watching it happen in real time so he split off to do his own thing with the backing of the Chinese left.

>>2300049
I can't say that I blame them. Rfk jr and covid skepticism aside they frequently bring receipts.

And I don't know about everyone else but I'm really tired of guilt by association shit.

>>2300031
>I'm convinced to this day that one of the speakers at the event was a fed and since this was at the peak of the syrian war they were defending Levant forces in the FSA against "Russian and Assadist imperialism.
There was a trotskyist militia that fought for the DSA, not making that up.
I don't even hate Trots, at least not the RCI, but some almost seem to be contrarian on purpose.

Bumping to counter spam

>>2298345
Israel proved vaccines are shit.
Why are you so adamant about dying on the hill of vaccines? Out of all the medications out there vaccines are the ones that make you freak out.

>>2313244
Make your own thread if you want to argue over vaccine shit.

Bump

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Whatever this event is, it seems really important if the local glowies and negative nancies are making shit up about it. Hope it works out for everyone.


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