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The annual Socialism Conference in Chicago is just a few short weeks away! Have you secured your ticket yet?

https://socialismconference.org/

The subject came up in the current /ukr/ thread, >>2279417 , specifically the 2019 article by The Gray Zone outing many of the participants as USAID/NED funded glowies:
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/07/06/dsa-jacobin-iso-socialism-conference-us-funded-regime-change/

And the weaksauce rebuttal for what little it's worth:
https://newpol.org/in-defense-of-socialist-internationalism-answering-the-propaganda-of-the-authoritarian-left/

This thread is for discussing the upcoming event, which I think is safe to say will be the tastemaking event of the year as far as pseudo-left talking points are concerned. Why not get a preview of the hottest psy ops and troll topics of the coming year BEFORE they hit forums near you? It's GLOW-CON!
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>starts crying when forced to consider Israeli holocaust on Palestinians
Tell me about anyone else putting pressure on them like this before you criticize the Grayzone.

>>2298041
I suppose you have a point there as far as the utility of physical events.

>>2298056
Would be a funny word filter

>>2298070
Disgusting.

if there was a real left in america, they'd all show up for this…..




















…..armed with machine guns.

/leftypol/ chicago meetup lads?

>>2296297
I could not afford to go if I was invited ( i wasnt 😎)

Why not have it at a hotel conference room lmao why make it some ritzy event

Fucking larpers are conpletely detatched from the working class

>>2298070
pretty young for a holocaust survivor huh

>>2298070
Why didn't he just deck her? Americans are so pathetic.

>>2298070
>im a holocaust survivor

>>2298070
The second he says the G word the MK ultra experiments wake up from their coma.
>>2298337
Pussy culture and pussy people.
>>2298145
They arent larping, this is a glowie con.

>>2298070
I can do both look vaccines work and israel is bad

>>2298337
>Why didn't he just deck her? Americans are so pathetic.
Do you want to get a "hitting a girl" enhancement from a female judge? You'll be doing 20 years.

>>2298350
The imperialist form of gender equality is just flicking a switch between who is "more privileged" of the two genders. Under capitalism there needs to be inequality between groups or else they would start to see common interests between each other and try and form a class of common interest. Workers need to be constantly at each others throats hating each other in an artificial environment controlled by bourgeois influence. This is why men's rights groups are able to radicalize people because most of the things they say are true but they never actually choose to do a materialist analysis of society because that would involve talking about class interest and the contradictions between labor and capital.

>>2279539
>N+1
lmaooo who still reads that schlock?

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>>2298070
>glowie vs glowie
Fuck her and fuck the grayzone. Simple as. How about not kissing any boots and you know forming your own opinions loser?

>>2298369
>the quirky guy is just as bad as the genocidal lunatics
best cointelpro talking point?

>>2279546
'anti-kashmiri racism' lmao
Kashmiris are the biggest racists in South Asia

>>2298338
I'm inclined to think she misspoke in the heat of her self righteous indignation, but "holocaust survivor" seems to be getting stretched pretty far lately.

Cynically, I think it's because there just aren't that many direct survivors of the genocide left, and that's a detriment to the Holocaust industry, but that's just a shallow impression.

>>2298111
Erm, what the sigma

https://thegrayzone.com/tag/vaccines/

There are only like 4 articles on vaccines so what antivax stuff are you talking about exactly

>>2299240
Nvm I think I found it: https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/09/establishment-daily-beast-rolling-stone-intelligence-ties/

>On July 15, Rolling Stone announced Shachtman “will lead content, editorial strategy and manage [its] illustrious staff.” Among its initial bows to Shachtman’s ascendancy, Rolling Stone removed from its website, after 16 years, a 2005 article called “Deadly Immunity” written by Kennedy.


>Why go back that far to change the past? Kennedy’s piece was about thimerosal in vaccines. He had constructed the article around the previously secret transcript of a clandestine 2000 meeting between 52 pharmaceutical chieftains, academic researchers and public health bureaucrats in a remote Georgia retreat center known as Simpsonwood. The Simpsonwood transcripts show the participants plotting strategies for hiding a 1,135% elevated risk of autism among vaccinated children — compared to unvaccinated — disclosed by an alarming internal CDC study of the government’s largest vaccine database.


>Rolling Stone and Salon had both extensively fact-checked Kennedy’s controversial piece prior to publishing it. Under pressure by pharmaceutical companies, Salon removed Kennedy’s article in 2011 citing undisclosed “factual misinformation.” Rolling Stone steadfastly defended the article as factually accurate for an additional decade until shortly before Shachtman’s arrival. In an article headlined “How the Anti-Vaxxers Got Red-Pilled,” writer Tim Dickinson announced: “The story no longer appears on Rolling Stone’s website.”


Boosting Kennedy isn't great but I think the overall scope of the article is more than just being anti-vax, especially when it was written. Aside from that though even if they are anti-vax weirdos that doesn't mean their other reporting isn't valid.

>>2279518
I went there years ago and it was embarrassing. Trots from Spartacist League (US) defending ISIS and just outside some folks from RevCom were stomping on American flags shouting their Avakian BAsics slogans at the top of their lungs. I'm convinced to this day that one of the speakers at the event was a fed and since this was at the peak of the syrian war they were defending Levant forces in the FSA against "Russian and Assadist imperialism." Needless to say, I feel I wasted money and I wish I could blot that event from my memory.

>>2299344
Grayzone writers have terminal conspiracy brain so they immediately jumped on the Covid vax hype train.

Ben Norton cringed watching it happen in real time so he split off to do his own thing with the backing of the Chinese left.

>>2300049
I can't say that I blame them. Rfk jr and covid skepticism aside they frequently bring receipts.

And I don't know about everyone else but I'm really tired of guilt by association shit.

>>2300031
>I'm convinced to this day that one of the speakers at the event was a fed and since this was at the peak of the syrian war they were defending Levant forces in the FSA against "Russian and Assadist imperialism.
There was a trotskyist militia that fought for the DSA, not making that up.
I don't even hate Trots, at least not the RCI, but some almost seem to be contrarian on purpose.

Bumping to counter spam

>>2298345
Israel proved vaccines are shit.
Why are you so adamant about dying on the hill of vaccines? Out of all the medications out there vaccines are the ones that make you freak out.

>>2313244
Make your own thread if you want to argue over vaccine shit.

Bump

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Whatever this event is, it seems really important if the local glowies and negative nancies are making shit up about it. Hope it works out for everyone.

Bump

>>2300031
>Trots from Spartacist League (US) defending ISIS
I don't know if it was this one but I knew a guy in the ISO who said the Sparts showed up at their conference (it might have been those one?), got into a fight outside, and broke someone's leg.

>>2298070
Nazis: "I'm not a holocaust supporter, I'm a holocaust survivor!"

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Just checked the schedule and what the actual heck is this. 70 "socialists" have already RSVPed too. I have to figure out whether I want to go to this thing or not this weekend - I'm in town, but the train commute is well over an hour.


>>2279551
>Eric Blanc

Does anyone remember when he was shilling that "dirty break" strategy like 5-7 years ago? I havent heard of it for years. Does Eric Blanc just pretend this was never a thing?

>>2279528
i think they're just trying to advertise it in an ironic way to avoid being hated on

>>2366037
>Conference in Chicago
>Michigan (3rd floor)
🤨

>>2400774
I've never heard of him before. What's this dirty break shit about?

>>2400818
The idea was to elect "socialists" into office on the Democratic Party ticket, grow forces, and eventually carry out a "dirty break" to establish a socialist/worker's party. I like this article criticizing Blanc's promotion of Kautskyite politics and strategy (even if I have other disagreements with the author) https://www.leftvoice.org/social-democracy-and-imperialism-the-problem-with-kautsky/

Democratic socialists is the greatest faggotry ever conceived

Marx/Engels/Lenin and Stalin would shoot a "democratic socialist" without a seconds thought or feeling a thing

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>>2400844
Didn't Engels help found a SocDem party?

>>2400848
Lenin was still calling himself a sucdem up until ww1 when all the sucdem traitor faggots lined up to support imperialist war

"Social democrat" was Marxist up until that great betrayal

>>2400844
>How well I remember the discussions I had with Friedrich Engels at his house in Regent’s Park Road – how, championing the view taken by our Party, I denounced the opportunism of political action in all its hues, treating all voting, whether municipal or parliamentary, as a treachery to the cause of Socialism. I was convinced that nothing but barricade revolution was the true pathway to the future society, and that hence the most important function of Socialists was to watch for the first signs of the upheaval we believed to be imminent, and to capture the movement when it came in the interest of the “class-conscious proletariat” and its “dictatorship.”

>I can also recall how severely critical, not to say scornful, Engels was of our theory and tactics, notwithstanding the fact that for personal reasons he favoured our side in the “split.” He spoke contemptuously of a dictatorship as superseding democracy, declaring that complete democracy was a necessary stage in modern social evolution, besides pointing to the similar theory of the Anarchists, and more especially the Blanquists (deriving from Babeuf), which overlooked the disastrous blunders they were only too likely themselves to make in their dictatorial handling of the revolution. (Perhaps some readers may be inclined to regard this as prophetic of the adventure of Lenin, Trotsky and Co.) Engels disparaged all attempts at “short-cuts to Socialism,” contending that the only effective policy for Socialists in getting hold of the power of the State would be to gradually socialise the various departments of industry as they became ripe for absorption by the public power. He laughed at our attacks on “Parliament” as an institution, saying that some sort of representative assembly was obviously necessary, whether you called it Parliament or not. What is more, Engels defended the then ultra-opportunism of the German Social-Democratic “fraction” in the Reichstag. And it must not be forgotten that all this was only two or three years after Marx’s death, and was given as representing Marx’s views as well as his own.


E. Belfort Bax describing Engels' views, in Two Bolshevist Intellectuals, 1920: https://www.marxists.org/archive/bax/1920/08/2bolshevs.htm

>>2400853
Wrong. Social democrats were never marxists. This is why marx was Communist not socialist

>>2400862
>Muh trust some faggot scum saying some waffle about Engels that was one of the traitors in ww1 that turned around and supported Britain's entry into ww1

>>2400876
E. Belfort Bax wasn't someone we should admire in his own politics, but he was never known as a liar. Most of Bax's claims above can be backed up with authentic Engels quotes.

>>2400825
Thanks


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