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The annual Socialism Conference in Chicago is just a few short weeks away! Have you secured your ticket yet?

https://socialismconference.org/

The subject came up in the current /ukr/ thread, >>2279417 , specifically the 2019 article by The Gray Zone outing many of the participants as USAID/NED funded glowies:
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/07/06/dsa-jacobin-iso-socialism-conference-us-funded-regime-change/

And the weaksauce rebuttal for what little it's worth:
https://newpol.org/in-defense-of-socialist-internationalism-answering-the-propaganda-of-the-authoritarian-left/

This thread is for discussing the upcoming event, which I think is safe to say will be the tastemaking event of the year as far as pseudo-left talking points are concerned. Why not get a preview of the hottest psy ops and troll topics of the coming year BEFORE they hit forums near you? It's GLOW-CON!

The gayzone is associating with antivax magatard fascists who ended up leading the US so maybe stop with the purity cult ultra

>Socialism 2025 is brought to you by Haymarket Books, in partnership with the following organizations and media:

Dissenters
Debt collective
Democratic socialists of American
Emergency workplace organizing
Verso
Counterpunch
Hammer and Hope
Dsa Afrosocialists/ Socialists of color caucus
In these times
Chicago for Abortion Rights
Solidarity
Pilsen Community Books
Lux
Jewish Currents
The Dig
NYC for Abortion Rights
Railroad Workers United
JustSeeds
Detention Watch Network
PM Press
Mondoweiss
Adalah Justice Project
Palestinian Youth Movement
New Politics
Pluto Press
Spectre
Rampant
Tempest
Science for the People
Study and Struggle
Salvage
n+1
Scalawag
Death Panel
Autonomous Tenants Union
Community Justice Exchange
Rethinking Schools
WEB du Bois Movement School
33rd Ward Working Families
Respair Production & Media
Center for Political Education
Rosa Luxembourg Stiftung New York Office
Highlander The Movement School
Law and Political Economy Project
up End
The Public Eye
Religion Dispatches
Writers against the war on Gaza
Salon Kawakib
Black Rose Anarchist Federation
The International Marxist Humanist
Liberation Road
Firebrand
Climate and Community Institute
Chicago Cuba Coalition
Kashmir Gulposh
Chicago Torture Justice Memorials Foundation
Hindus for Human Rights
In The Belly
Surj
Truthout
Speak Out Now
Workers' Voice
Palestine Center for Public Policy
Sexpectations
Public Rail Now
Buttons on the Left
Texas People's Tribunal
National Students for Justice in Palestine
New Disabled South
Sassi
Convergence
North Star Socialist Organization
Anti-Eviction Mapping Project
Landlord Tech Watch
Political Research Associates
Books Against Borders
Community Movement Builders
People's Network for Land and Liberation
Salam
Claudia Jones School for Political Education
Kansas City Defender
B Real Academy
Brooklyn Institute for Social Research
About Face

>>2279528
Not a big Grayzone fag but could you more blatantly poison the well? The stuff they used to earn credibility is different than what Blumenthal spends it on.

2025 Sessions Preview

>This list is incomplete and still subject to changes. Final session information and schedule will be available in late May or early June.



Abolition

> Caregiving Toward Abolition: Workshop and Story Circles

< Stop Cop City
> Their End is Our Beginning: Cops, Capitalism, and Abolition
< One Million Experiments: Redefining and Creating Abolition Five Years After Uprising
> Abolitionist Organizing Under Authoritarianism
< Challenging Mass Surveillance in the Time of Trump
> “Texas is infamous for its taste for death:” Lethal Practices in the Lone Star State
< Fighting Carceral Infrastructure to End Mass Incarceration
> No New Jails: Lessons from Organizers Resisting Carceral Infrastructure
< Prison Organizing For A Liberated Future
> Build Communities Not Prisons
< Reproductive Justice, Family Policing, and Abolition

Health Politics & Disability Justice

> Love in a F*cked Up World: Community Care in the Face of Collapse

< Deny, Defend, Depose: Health Struggle After Luigi
> Mad World: The Politics of Mental Health
< “Sick, Twisted Freedom”: Inside-Out Lessons in Disability Justice
> Gender, Sexuality, Reproduction and the State: Fighting Back Against the So-Called Law
< Healthcare is a Human Right: Confronting Disparities From Chicago to Gaza

International Politics

> On Pan-Africanism: Past and Present

< After the Fall of Assad: The Struggle for a Free Syria
> Borders vs. The Working Class: An Internationalist Perspective

Palestine

> BDS: Building People Power for Palestinian Liberation

< The Palestine Crisis in Liberal Institutions and the Trump Moment
> From the River to The World
< What Can Students Achieve? Analyzing the Possibilities and Limits of the Student Intifada

Racism & Anti-Racism

> Hindu Supremacy and the Multiracial Far-Right

< What is Antiracism? And Why it means Anticapitalism
> Anti-Caste Organizing Today

Black Liberation

> Fighting Fascism: Lessons from the Colonies

< BLM Under Trump: Where Do We Go from Here?
> The Role of Black Media Under Fascism
< Fanon at 100: Insights for Today’s Anti-Colonial Struggles

Economics

> How to Democratize Everything

< Fiscal Fascism: How to Make Sense of Chaotic Policy as Activists and Organizers
> Debt is a Labor Issue: Unions and Debt Abolition
< Fake Work: What a Fake Job Dedicated to Solving a Fake Crisis Can Teach Us About Financialized Capitalism
> You Are Not a Loan: Debtors Assembly

Education Justice

< Teach Truth: The Struggle for Antiracist Education

> The Blunt-Force Assault on Education: Resistance to Fascism
< Original Sins: The (Mis)education of Black and Native Children and the Construction of American Racism
> Community as Rebellion: Building Networks of Resistance Inside and Outside the University
< Labor and the Struggle for Higher Education

Housing Justice

> You Cannot Evict a Movement: Tenant Fights That Catalyze, Mobilize, and Win

< Lessons from Below: Learn from/with Palms Unhoused Mutual Aid (PUMA) and Build your own Abolitionist Network of Care
> Mapping Landlords and Their Technologies for Housing Justice and Rent Abolition
< The Proletariat Has No Homeland: Property and the Surplus Class

Imperialism & Anti-Imperialism

> State Violence and GI Resistance

< Ukraine Betrayed: Trump, Putin and the Struggle for Self-Determination
> Reviving the Bandung Spirit: Why Anti-Imperialism Still Matters
< The Battle for Global Hegemony: Trump and the US China Rivalry

Radical History

> Lessons from ACT UP for Today’s Solidarity Movements

< Wages for Housework: The Feminist Fight Against Unpaid Labor
> Eugene Debs: From Rail Labor Organizer to Socialist Agitator – Lessons for Today
< Literacy is the Foundation of a Revolution!: The Radical History of the 1961 Cuban Literacy Campaign
> Anti-Colonial Political Education: Amílcar Cabral and the PAIGC
< “Our Goal is to Dismantle the Whole Violent System”: Abolition Feminist Organizing in the 1970s

Climate Justice

> What’s at Stake: Organizing for Climate Armageddon

< Gulf to Gaza: No Sacrifice Zones
> Beyond Climate Despair: Rebuilding a Revolutionary Left in the Face of Catastrophe
< Power Lines: Building a Climate-Labor Justice Movement
> Climate Action to Transform Our World

Fighting the Right

> Disaster Nationalism: Trump and the Downfall of Liberal Civilization

< Rethinking “Parental Rights:” Movement Building Against the Right
> Fascists Are Trying To Recruit You!: Antisemitism, Conspiracism, and the Anti-Woke Left
< Perspectives on Right-Wing Politics and the Working Class
> Rethinking Antifascism
< Blocking the Right, Building the Base: The Work of Left Unity in 2025
> All You Fascists Bound To Lose: The Left’s Role During Repression
< Defeating the End Times Triad: Christian Zionists, Christian Nationalists, and Technofascists

Labor Movement

> How Worker-to-Worker Unionism Can Transform America

< Labor and Community Organizing Against the MAGA Billionaire Agenda
> The Use of Political Education in Union Campaigns
< Flores Magón, Workers Centers and Direct Action
> Politics on the Job, Politics from the Job
< UNION: Film Screening and Discussion

Skill Sharing

> Collective Liberation through Sex Education: How Sex Education Should be at the Root of All Organizing Spaces

< Against Abandonment: DIY Approaches to Clean Air Justice
> Revolutionary Accompaniment: Holding Each Other When Things Fall Apart
< Harm in A Time of Collapse: Practicing Responses to Harm in Leftist Spaces
> De-Escalation Training
< DIY Abortion

Socialist Strategy

> Becoming Working Class Revolutionaries: Lessons from the League of Revolutionary Black Workers for Today’s Class War

< Fighting Fragmentation: Building Cross-Sectoral Social Movements
> Organizing, Religion, and Revolutionary Love
< Roundtable: Political Education in the Time of Monsters
> “The Same Old Tools Don’t Work Here”: A Conversation with the Rural Defenders Union about the Role of Rural Organizing in Defeating Authoritarianism
< Reclaiming the Future: Outer Space as a Site of Organizing and Imagination
> Debate: Socialists, Independent Politics, and the Democratic Party

Culture & Art

> Heaven Looks Like Us: Palestinian Poetry

< Zine Making for Social Justice
> Art & Communism
< Building New Worlds: Poetry Writing Workshop
> Free the Presses

Gender-Sexuality-Liberation

> Gender and the Rising Right

< Enemy Feminisms: Reckoning with TERFs, Policewomen, and Zionist Feminists
> Trans Organizing in a Time of Repression
< Sexual Democracy, Moral Panics, and Trans Politics
> Abortion Bans as State Gender-Based Violence
< Making Sense of the Anti-Trans Turn
> Carceral Natalism: Technology and Surveillance in the Post-Dobbs Era
< Country Queers: A Conversation About Community Care and Memory Work in End Times
> Reproductive Justice Requires Palestinian Liberation
< United Struggles: Intersectional Resistance to Bodily Autonomy Restrictions

Indigenous Liberation

> Why Is Sex a “Thing”? Making Relations against Settler-Colonialism

< Indigenous Grounded Solidarity, Then and Now
> Refusing + Resisting Anti-Kashmiri Racism for a Free Kashmir
< A Time of Monsters: What Indigenous Horror Can Teach Us About Resistance
> Demon Mineral: Film Screening and Discussion
< A War Where All Wars Fit

Migrant Justice

> Internationalism and Solidarity in the Age of Trump: Cross Border Solidarity

< Nos Defendemos: Community Deportation Defense from Workplaces to Neighborhoods
> Immigration Detention, Inc.
< Building Abolitionist Campaigns To End Migrant Detention: Case Study on Dignity Not Detention (Free them all!)

Socialist & Marxist Theory

> Social Reproduction Theory and Practice

< Left-Internationalism from the Imperial Core: Then and Now
> Political Education 1: Basics of Materialist Analysis
< Political Education 2: Slavery, Colonialism, and Primitive Accumulation
> Key Figures in Marxism: CLR James
< Key Figures in Marxism: Rosa Luxemburg

U.S. Politics

> AI and the Techo-Fascist Power Grab for our Data, Lives, and Resources

< The Struggle for Collective Liberation: Class, Oppression, and the Politics of Resistance
> Covering Fascism While Surviving Fascism: A Media Meet-Up


Speakers & Performers

Boots Riley
Kim Tallbear
Sarah Schulman
Robin D.G. Kelley
Richard Seymour
Kali Akuno
Sophie Lewis
Omar Barghouti
Eve L. Ewing
Glen Coulthard
Eric Blanc
Jesse Hagopian
Lorgia Garcia Pena
Dean Spade
Micha Frazer-Carroll
Daniel Denvir
Mikaela Loach
Paisley Currah
Silky Shah

>>2279518
If you knew anything about the history of the DSSA this would come as no surprise. The DSSA is a militant anti-communist organization which was specifically founded to hamstring the new left and destroy any attempts to build power outside the system. Michael Harrington was kicked out of the SPUSA for supporting the Vietnam war and got so mad about it he dedicated the rest of his life to destroying the left.

>>2279528
>purity cult is when you don't allow Feds in
Pfft.

>>2279563
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Harrington

Jesus, no kidding.
>Harrington and Shachtman believed that socialism, which they believed implied a just and fully democratic society, could not be realized by authoritarian communism, and were fiercely critical of the "bureaucratic collectivist" states in Eastern Europe and elsewhere.[4]

<After Norman Thomas's Socialist Party absorbed Shachtman's ISL in 1957, Harrington endorsed Shachtman's strategy of working as part of the Democratic Party rather than sponsoring candidates as Socialists. Although Harrington identified personally with the socialism of Thomas and Eugene Debs, the most consistent thread running through his life and his work was a "left wing of the possible within the Democratic Party."[8]


>Harrington was present in June 1962 at the founding conference of Students for a Democratic Society. In clashes with Tom Hayden and Alan Haber, he argued that their Port Huron Statement was insufficiently explicit about excluding communists from their vision of a New Left.


>Arthur M. Schlesinger, Sr. called Harrington the "only responsible radical" in America. Ted Kennedy said, "I see Michael Harrington as delivering the Sermon on the Mount to America," and "among veterans in the War on Poverty, no one has been a more loyal ally when the night was darkest."


>By the early 1970s, the governing faction of the Socialist Party continued to endorse a negotiated peace to end the Vietnam War, a stance that Harrington came to believe was no longer viable.


What the fuck does that mean?

>Harrington said that socialists had to go through the Democratic Party to enact their policies, reasoning that the socialist vote had declined from a peak of approximately one million in the years around World War I to a few thousand by the 1950s.


>In 1982, the Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee merged with the New American Movement, an organization of New Left activists, forming the Democratic Socialists of America.


More like Democratic Sellouts of America

>>2279539
>n+1
WOW
ITALIAN LEFTCOM SPLINTERS
I DID NOT EXPECT THEM ON THE LIST HAHA

>>2279540
>is different than what Blumenthal spends it on.
And while i find his flirting with retards cringe. Max Blumenthal has been remarkably on-point regarding Palestine. He seems well read on the topic and knowledgeable about the workings of western support of Zionism.

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>>2279596
At the very least it looks like Blumenthal brought receipts while the response was basically "um well you're a cringe tankie and there's nothing wrong with taking CIA money."

>>2279590
>>2279598
Nvm wtf? There seems to be two different n+1's
This is the italian one V
https://www.quinterna.org/lingue/english/who_we_are.htm
This is the one listed on the site V
https://www.nplusonemag.com/

https://www.utopianmag.com/updates/reply-to-the-grayzone-slander/

Another rebuttal to grayzone's article that doesn't actually refute any of the points and just calls them tankies.

>>2279601
>By using the term ‘n + 1’, we wish to stress our distance from the marxist-leninist liturgy and language, which have become nothing but a symptom of conformism, comparable to many others existing in this society.

Not exactly building confidence imo

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>>2279609
It's actually hilarious. Because the Grayzone staff seem to go out of their way to never state directly they are communists or to proffer any specific political ideology. Despite being obviously socialists of one bent or another. But you gotta slap a label on them for denunciations.

This screenshot that Max keeps as his X header, comes to mind.

>>2279620
Keep reading:
>We have nothing to do with the huge historical falsifications still based on Marx’s name. Shortly before dying, Marx himself had to state not to be a ‘marxist’, in order not only to denounce the distortion of the revolutionary theory, but also and particularly to stress his rejection to identify a theory with a person.

>>2279609
>For decades, anti-Stalinists in the U.S. were denounced verbally and frequently attacked physically by the Stalinists of the CPUSA – slandered viciously meetings broken up, etc.
so bitchmade they have generational trauma wtf
>The “investigative” journalism the Grayzone prides itself on consists largely of demonstrating that oppositionists to their favored regimes receive money directly or indirectly from US government groups, especially the National Endowment for Democracy. The fact is that US imperialism will always try to infiltrate and otherwise influence and subvert oppositionists in these countries. That’s something to be aware of and to watch out for.
Matt Christman voice: "That’s something to be aware of and to watch out for"
>But the best way to take it on is to support genuine oppositionists
The best way to fight fascism is to parrot indigenous voices like Ukrainian anti-Stalinist holocaust fans
> stand for anti-statist, anti-authoritarian, libertarian socialism
"I'm literally a communist!" - pretentious neoliberals who have spent the last 15 years begging for Elon Musk's anti-Stalinist destruction of the state for the sake of consumer free markets

>>2279636
>accuse critics of slandering you
>offer no proof that you've been slandered
>reduced to emotional appeals by likening current events to stuff that happened a century ago
Unequivocally cooked

ICP was here in like January but I was too depressed to go

>>2279636
>>2279609
<the last article they ever uploaded is shortly after and dated the same as the grayzone rebuttal
jej

>>2279599
>tankie
You mispelled far right trumpist schizo, he's also a hack and many organizations in socialism 2025 actually supported Palesrine without working for the backers of Israel unlike him

>>2279636
>>For decades, anti-Stalinists in the U.S. were denounced verbally and frequently attacked physically by the Stalinists of the CPUSA – slandered viciously meetings broken up, etc.
holy based
beat up anti-stalinists until they learn

>>2279636
Why do they make the cuck cpusa sound so based?

>>2279734
>beat up anti-stalinists until they learn

the praxis of stalinists everyone

>>2279539
What if the CPC funded it?

>>2279780
You're right, we shouldn't even bother with re-education. Just put a bullet in "anti-campists".

>>2279786
Kys fascist

Stalinists lost forever and they still pretend 100 years have not passed
Build alternative structures in the old like capitalists did or continue doing nothing

>>2279801
no he's right

>>2279959
it's crazy how you guys always need usgov money to build these new alternative structures

>>2279631
That's chad behaviour, not gonna lie although his anti vax is kinda wack

>>2279959
>Stalinists
Stalinism is when you make Nazis suicide kill their families

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The grey zone are Feds themselves

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I’m a almsot homeless worker and have to beg for food I can’t afford this

>>2280902
Yeah yeah, I'm a fed, you're a fed, everyone's a fed.

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Ok I take it back maybe they are not . But comrade don’t you think it’s weird all they talk about is RW grifter shit and are still crying over COVID 5 years later

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I mean I used to watch the guy everyday but the jimmy dore right wing I hate liberals so much I’ll become a fascist because of “ grasps pearls . The twitter girls and COVID vaccines ..omg the horrors . I think hes Sus

>>2280909
Can you be specific about what you're talking about? I don't know what you mean by "all they talk about is RW grifter shit", and with covid, it depends on what exactly they're saying in regards to it because that's still ongoing. And searching "covid" on the site doesn't seem to bring up anything recent.

>>2279734
>>2279780
>>2279786
>>2279801
>>2279960
fell for it again award
god you guys are stupid as shit

>The Public Eye
>Religion Dispatches
>both publications of Political Research Associates
>which is itself funded by Public Welfare Foundation which has been involved in Democrat politics since the 30s

<The group provides public speakers, and has staff on hand to answer queries from journalists, researchers, and activists. Its annual funding of approximately $700,000 per year comes from foundation grants, individual contributions, and the sale of research materials. Expenditures are directed toward staffing, general & administrative expenses, programs and fundraising.[4] Among its major donors are the Public Welfare Foundation and the Ford Foundation.


Hmmm.

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>>2280902
Max and Anya are a bit different because Max actually comes from the Washington elite. They ran some hilarious articles shilling for Joe Kent (actual CIA guy and now director of the National Counterterrorism Center)

>>2283473
They're the number one detailers of US crimes of empire and Israeli genocide and that's all you got? They got multiple bodies of work and all you got is that time they glazed a CIA guy who is now in the Trump admin. It's weird that they wrote about that guy, no doubt, and it's an irrelevancy compared to their decades of work on LatAm and Israel. Last time you brought it up I spent a couple of hours searching and reading into it. You seem determined that it somehow casts doubt on everything Blumenthal and the Grayzone journalists have done.

Bump

Just one month to go till Glow-con! Looks like the schedule's been finalized: https://socialismconference.org/2025-schedule/


>>2279551
Glen Coulthard is kino

>>2283534
> They're the number one detailers of US crimes of empire and Israeli genocide and that's all you got
So was the intercept at one point, you fat bitch

>>2279518
If the so called US "Left" couldn't get even more funny.

>>2296297
$115 holy fuck, will they have an all you can eat buffet there?

>>2296665
nvm $155, the buffet comes in gold plates apparently

>YOU HAVE LOW INCOME? DON'T WORRY WE'LL CHARGE YOU JUST $65
this is a joke, this website isn't real
there's no conference, this is all a prank and someone set up this fake website to emulate the ideal champagne socialist

>>2296297
that's more expensive than my furry conventions.

>noooo they are financed bly glowies!!
>noooo they make me pay for the three day convention with a ticket costing less than a video game in brazil!!
Yeah stay inside chud

>>2296759
bourgeois

>>2296760
>i have to pay for my membership in a worker org to finance its activities??? Bourgeois!
Damn right, real gs get their money from Russia or USAaid

>>2296764
any self-respecting socialist organisation expects its members to pay dues relative to their material conditions

>>2279518
>Glow-Con
ngl, I lol'd. It's so simple, so unoriginal, and yet inexplicably very amusing to me. Maybe it's not so much the name but the images it conjures up of "Hello, fellow socialist" types at the event? I dunno.


>>2296670
I mean, you've got all these partners and organizers
>>2279539
And you've got people attending and paying between 65-250 dollarydoos, and for what? Who is this gonna help organize?

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>>2296759
Damn, should I start charging people to read my posts, then? Because that convention is worth less than just reading my shitposts.


>>2296974
Looks like generic AI slop. If you want that glow, you should use the raised fist symbol that they use in almost every one of their "revolutions".

>>2296996
What's more revolutionary than spending 165 bucks to hear about how indigenous sex is queering the revolution

Given as Haymarket Books is a well-known and relatively well resourced publisher for commie and radical theory, there is a place for the conference in the sense of activists and organizers attending in order to spread knowledge and connect. There's enough plurality in their works and ideas that they publish to which despite cringe things like platforming support for Syria in its current state that it's worth attending if you can afford the time and money.

I've attended before and there's enough there for issues that any leftist cares about. Like, ok, if you don't want to hear apologetics for Al Nusra, attend a workshop on tenant organizing or something.

>>2296979
>>2296670
>>2297051
The money is going towards the rent for a venue in downtown Chicago, and towards included professional childcare (which by itself would be a lot more than the cost of a standard ticket.) If you want to hold an event on this scale, you're going to incur costs.

That said, the cost is still hard to stomach for me with a session schedule that looks like that. I wouldn't even have to pay for hotel costs like I assume the majority of participants will, yet I'm still on the fence whether to cough up $155 (or even $65) to attend. A major deciding factor for me would be how much they tolerate heckling, which I'm guessing isn't much.

>>2279551
>Richard Seymour

That one hurts oof.

At least it's not the Australian 'Socialism' conference hosted by SAlt, the revolutionary-electoralist non-worker trotskyist split

>>2279631
>Calling it X

>>2283534
>They're the number one detailers of US crimes of empire and Israeli genocide
Citation needed.

>>2297014
>Daily Caller
Might as well have linked Breitbart

>>2297074
>The money is going towards the rent for a venue in downtown Chicago
Well, sure, but then why have it in downtown Chicago? Why have a physical event paywalled by tickets+travel+lodging etc at all?

>>2298019
The party's finest socialist market analysts have determined that books and Karl Marx branded coffee mugs are 10% more likely to sell at a convention table than if you only link them.

>>2298019
>why have it in downtown Chicago?
Because the offices of Haymarket Books are there, and they more than anyone else are the ones organizing the event. I'm not an expert on venue planning, but I'm not sure you'd be able to save a whole lot of money doing things outside a purpose-built convention center - sure, you save on rent, but then you have to haul in and set up tons of chairs and PA equipment to whatever rural warehouse you've picked out for cheap, then attendees have to rent cars from the airport and train station and figure out where to park… or you can just have a $100 cover charge and avoid all that hassle.
>Why have a physical event paywalled by tickets+travel+lodging etc at all?
There actually are groups that have decided that physical events just aren't worth it anymore, but the majority think that the excitement, comradery, and ease of debate and discussion makes physical events worth the expense. For a negative example, look at the SEP / WoosWoos's somnambulant "International Online Rallies". They might boast about how ever many thousands of people view them on Youtube, but watch this and tell me how many of them are inspired to take action.

>>2279539
Literally who?

holy fuck this is basically reddit

>>2279528
>the gayzone
the only part of your post worth a damn

>>2298046
>Literally who?
For real?

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>starts crying when forced to consider Israeli holocaust on Palestinians
Tell me about anyone else putting pressure on them like this before you criticize the Grayzone.

>>2298041
I suppose you have a point there as far as the utility of physical events.

>>2298056
Would be a funny word filter

>>2298070
Disgusting.

if there was a real left in america, they'd all show up for this…..




















…..armed with machine guns.

/leftypol/ chicago meetup lads?

>>2296297
I could not afford to go if I was invited ( i wasnt 😎)

Why not have it at a hotel conference room lmao why make it some ritzy event

Fucking larpers are conpletely detatched from the working class

>>2298070
pretty young for a holocaust survivor huh

>>2298070
Why didn't he just deck her? Americans are so pathetic.

>>2298070
>im a holocaust survivor

>>2298070
The second he says the G word the MK ultra experiments wake up from their coma.
>>2298337
Pussy culture and pussy people.
>>2298145
They arent larping, this is a glowie con.

>>2298070
I can do both look vaccines work and israel is bad

>>2298337
>Why didn't he just deck her? Americans are so pathetic.
Do you want to get a "hitting a girl" enhancement from a female judge? You'll be doing 20 years.

>>2298350
The imperialist form of gender equality is just flicking a switch between who is "more privileged" of the two genders. Under capitalism there needs to be inequality between groups or else they would start to see common interests between each other and try and form a class of common interest. Workers need to be constantly at each others throats hating each other in an artificial environment controlled by bourgeois influence. This is why men's rights groups are able to radicalize people because most of the things they say are true but they never actually choose to do a materialist analysis of society because that would involve talking about class interest and the contradictions between labor and capital.

>>2279539
>N+1
lmaooo who still reads that schlock?

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>>2298070
>glowie vs glowie
Fuck her and fuck the grayzone. Simple as. How about not kissing any boots and you know forming your own opinions loser?

>>2298369
>the quirky guy is just as bad as the genocidal lunatics
best cointelpro talking point?

>>2279546
'anti-kashmiri racism' lmao
Kashmiris are the biggest racists in South Asia

>>2298338
I'm inclined to think she misspoke in the heat of her self righteous indignation, but "holocaust survivor" seems to be getting stretched pretty far lately.

Cynically, I think it's because there just aren't that many direct survivors of the genocide left, and that's a detriment to the Holocaust industry, but that's just a shallow impression.

>>2298111
Erm, what the sigma

https://thegrayzone.com/tag/vaccines/

There are only like 4 articles on vaccines so what antivax stuff are you talking about exactly

>>2299240
Nvm I think I found it: https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/09/establishment-daily-beast-rolling-stone-intelligence-ties/

>On July 15, Rolling Stone announced Shachtman “will lead content, editorial strategy and manage [its] illustrious staff.” Among its initial bows to Shachtman’s ascendancy, Rolling Stone removed from its website, after 16 years, a 2005 article called “Deadly Immunity” written by Kennedy.


>Why go back that far to change the past? Kennedy’s piece was about thimerosal in vaccines. He had constructed the article around the previously secret transcript of a clandestine 2000 meeting between 52 pharmaceutical chieftains, academic researchers and public health bureaucrats in a remote Georgia retreat center known as Simpsonwood. The Simpsonwood transcripts show the participants plotting strategies for hiding a 1,135% elevated risk of autism among vaccinated children — compared to unvaccinated — disclosed by an alarming internal CDC study of the government’s largest vaccine database.


>Rolling Stone and Salon had both extensively fact-checked Kennedy’s controversial piece prior to publishing it. Under pressure by pharmaceutical companies, Salon removed Kennedy’s article in 2011 citing undisclosed “factual misinformation.” Rolling Stone steadfastly defended the article as factually accurate for an additional decade until shortly before Shachtman’s arrival. In an article headlined “How the Anti-Vaxxers Got Red-Pilled,” writer Tim Dickinson announced: “The story no longer appears on Rolling Stone’s website.”


Boosting Kennedy isn't great but I think the overall scope of the article is more than just being anti-vax, especially when it was written. Aside from that though even if they are anti-vax weirdos that doesn't mean their other reporting isn't valid.

>>2279518
I went there years ago and it was embarrassing. Trots from Spartacist League (US) defending ISIS and just outside some folks from RevCom were stomping on American flags shouting their Avakian BAsics slogans at the top of their lungs. I'm convinced to this day that one of the speakers at the event was a fed and since this was at the peak of the syrian war they were defending Levant forces in the FSA against "Russian and Assadist imperialism." Needless to say, I feel I wasted money and I wish I could blot that event from my memory.

>>2299344
Grayzone writers have terminal conspiracy brain so they immediately jumped on the Covid vax hype train.

Ben Norton cringed watching it happen in real time so he split off to do his own thing with the backing of the Chinese left.

>>2300049
I can't say that I blame them. Rfk jr and covid skepticism aside they frequently bring receipts.

And I don't know about everyone else but I'm really tired of guilt by association shit.

>>2300031
>I'm convinced to this day that one of the speakers at the event was a fed and since this was at the peak of the syrian war they were defending Levant forces in the FSA against "Russian and Assadist imperialism.
There was a trotskyist militia that fought for the DSA, not making that up.
I don't even hate Trots, at least not the RCI, but some almost seem to be contrarian on purpose.

Bumping to counter spam

>>2298345
Israel proved vaccines are shit.
Why are you so adamant about dying on the hill of vaccines? Out of all the medications out there vaccines are the ones that make you freak out.

>>2313244
Make your own thread if you want to argue over vaccine shit.

Bump

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Whatever this event is, it seems really important if the local glowies and negative nancies are making shit up about it. Hope it works out for everyone.


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