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>>2280935 >>2283065BIRTH STRIKE UNDER CAPITALISM!!!!
UPHOLD MARXISM-ZARDOZIM!!!!
THE GUN IS GOOD!!!!
THE PENIS IS EVIL!!!!
>>2283081>>2283088unless the US starts literally invading other countries, they have no reason to do anything other than sit back and let us destroy ourselves, and that's exactly what's going to happen.
within the next few years we're going to see more and more unemployed people and more homelessness which will be the result not of there not being any jobs or homes but because perverse incentives like tax cuts that will make it more in the interests of bosses and landlords to have vacant homes and jobs even if it means every business is run more poorly and every town and city falls into ruin. there will be more food insecurity and malnutrition, more epidemics that will be swept under the rug by the media and that social media will make people believe isn't happening even as they are literally dying from covid-69 and unable to go to a hospital because they've lost their Medicaid and the nearest hospital is now four hours away. normal people will turn to sex work out of desperation and be preyed on by various opportunist scammers, life expectancy is going to fall to 50, a handful of billionaires are going to consolidate even more power and have ascended beyond even being just capitalists to being a neo-feudalist ruling class. it's gonna be 1990s Russia levels of immiseration and no one is going to do shit about it.
>>2283115>Death to America>spitting on a guard>trying to burn down the embassy with molotovsBased behavior, but my gut tells me that it's motivated by him not seeing US as doing enough to support Israel
>dual german us citizenship Probably
>>2283115another day another misguided lone wolf action that attacks symbols, individuals, or buildings
When will someone, preferably an organized group, actually STOP THE FLOW OF WEAPONS AND MONEY TO THE GENOCIDAL MANIACS
ports exist
railroads exist
factories exist
as for the embassy, if you're going to go for something purely bureaucratic like that might as well target the think tanks that lobby the politicians
>>2283138that's too intelligent
these people are often not very intelligent
>>2283140that is genuinely the way forward
those sorts of protest groups, like the just stop oil people were affective, constructive and managed to force change. Americans need to co-opt lessons learned in Europe. Instead of having an incel moment.
>>2283188a really really shitty video game
although it correctly guessed a few things so I dunno
>>2283196Christian Zionism summed up:
>Israel needs to exist so the Muslims can destroy it to usher in the endtimes and rapturing all Christians(not Jews or Muslims) to heaven>To achieve this plan we must ally ourselves with the Jews and keep Israel well fed with treats and gibs so that we can maximize the amount of death when the end times happen>Jesus would totally support this plan to "force" the end times by triggering a global catastrophe and this totally isn't just a Neocon/Zionist psyop to win Evangelical votersAmerican Christians are the stupidest people on the planet.
>>2283190first review is complaining about racism and implying that whites and hispanics are being racist to black people. It's less about complaining about immigrants exclusively. Second review is also complaining about the work conditions and the inability to communicate if you don't speak spanish… I don't think either of these reviews are characteristic of this quote from earlier:
> 200 bad reviews from blacks who couldnt tolerate working with the migrants.There's a lot more wrong with these work places than just the migrants is what I'm seeing: high temperature, racism from the employers, terrible conditions, inability to communicate with co workers (and therefore organize)… All situations in which the capitalist can be blamed and not merely the migrant workers. I don't see merely a lack of tolerance for migrants here. I see a lack of tolerance for abuse. Which has potential. If there is an intolerance for migrants it is confused with the labor conditions rather than a form of unconditional hatred. A good party line could scrub the labor movement of that kind of rhetoric easily.
>>2283079>I really hope you faggots don't think that Russia and China are gonna save your asses from what's coming. OH absolutely not.
They are gonna be chanting "no class but class war" at every single turn where the breakdown of US hegemony leads to conflict. Doing nothing domestically because that falls outside the scope of the psyop. Right up to the point where the USA starts declaring the nonexistent communist movement the internal enemy and blackbagging them.
And THEN, it will be China's fault AGAIN for not gifting USAno communists a revolution.
>>2283222All supremacists are gravediggers of the very people they claim to protect. Nazis were the gravediggers of the German volk. Zionists are the gravediggers of the Jewish people.
if I said "I am against white supremacy but not white people" and someone responded "but the majority of white people are white supremacist therefore you ARE against white people!!!!" that person would be rightfully laughed at.
But if I said "I am against zionism but I am not an antisemite" and someone responded "but the majority of Jews are zionist therefore you are against Jews!!!!" somehow this argument is taken seriously even though zionism is nothing other than Jewish supremacism, and Israel is nothing more than Rhodesia for Jews. An ethnostate.
So when someone says "Zionism is antisemitism," it is correct. It doesn't matter if the majority of zionists claim to love Jews, or if they majority of Jews are zionist. Intentions don't matter. Consequences do. And the consequences of zionism is that people are learning to associate Jews with a reactionary ethnostate, and to think all Jews are inherently nazis. The zionist is the gravedigger of the Jewish people, and there have always been Jews who recognize this.
>>2283213Yep. The right's principle strengths are historical inertia and a relatively carefree attitude to using whatever tactics help them dominate the immediate situation.
>>2283208Exxon renamed to Exxonia.
>>2283230>The zionist is the gravedigger of the Jewish people, and there have always been Jews who recognize this.https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/mideast/agedict/ch03.htm
>In 1925 the most vehement protagonist of total abstentionism, Jacob Klatzkin, the co-editor of the massive Encyclopedia Judaica, laid down the full implications of the Zionist approach to anti-Semitism.
<If we do not admit the rightfulness of anti-semitism, we deny the rightfulness of our own nationalism. If our people is deserving and willing to live its own national life, then it is an alien body thrust into the nations among whom it lives, an alien body that insists on its own distinctive identity, reducing the domain of their life. It is right, therefore, that they should fight against us for their national integrity Instead of establishing societies for defense against the anti-semites, who want to reduce our rights, we should establish societies for defense against our friends who desire to defend our rights. [4] >>2283252Spain observed covid in wastewater dated to Mar 2019
https://web.ub.edu/en/web/actualitat/w/sars-cov-2-detected-in-waste-waters-in-barcelona-on-march-12-2019keep saying it's "schizo nonsense".
burgers leaked Covid before they wanted to and then blamed it on the Chinese.
>>2283257yeah I'm aware of the issue with medieval antisemitism in Christian kingdoms outlawing Jews having normal jobs and forcing them into despised roles like tax collector and money lender which led to their overrepresentation in finance in banking during the rise of capitalism… I am also familiar with the fact that if you bring this up to poltards they will screech and throw a fit and start strawmanning you as saying something like
>jews had no choice but to be exploitersanyway… I leave you with Graeber
>>2283272Bernie's job was to guide the US labor movement back into the democratic fold. "Independent" Bernie Sanders cut a deal with the Dem party in the 1990s to do this and in exchange they wouldn't run anyone against him in Vermont.
Watch this one too.
>>2283114>>2283120>lmao how do these people happenAmerica is a big circus, and you are there to watch. this is another example, "pro-life progressives".
>>2283293no wonder he worker for the MI6.
>>2283302I'll say one thing about the worldbuilding of 1984… ignoring the fact that Orwell was an anticommunist, racist, and snitch who worked for British intelligence, it really does feel like the world is re-polarizing into 3 spheres of influence, one in "Oceania" (NATO) One in "Eurasia" (Russia) and one in "East Asia" (China)
We may be getting something like the Orwell spheres of influence but none of the rest of his world building. But even then, Orwell was just doing 3 worlds theory in a novel.
>>2283336these motherfuckers say they deserve all the money for "taking on risk" and then literally sue when the market underperforms hahaahhahahahahaha
waaaaaaaaaaaaah I didn't win the jackpot at the casino so now I'm suing them waaaaaaaaaaah
execute these scumbags
>>2283369he was also in favor of WW1 and opposed the pointless slaughter of proles in that war. so he always sucked ass
>>2283371the bar gets lower with each reply
>>2283358Animal Farm is unironically what started me down the path towards communism.
Personally, I think 1984 is useful not for understanding the USSR but rather the modern USA.
>>2283384oh boo boo crying because their thingies got destroyed in Kiev?
oh boo boo ga ga poopie in his diapies
>>2283372>he was also in favor of WW1I need you to source that.
>>2283386It’s dual critical
>>2283387Storytelling is an excellent tool for teaching. To say otherwise is foolish.
>>2283384technofascists must be so angry about high autism score trad white people killing each other
haha
>>2283421I remember when Reddit were convinced Putin had cancer in 2023 and Joe Biden would just steamroll through Russia once he dies.
Whoops….
>>2283421Sometimes history starts as a farce, and repeats as an even bigger farce
>>2283422Hey maybe if Putin finally dies we can finally get the CPRF in power and proceed to be disappointed by them instead
I highly recommend you open EDGE and go to MSN and just read what the Boomers have to say about everything. Brother, the Boomers love Trump, and they love what he's doing, and they love the fact that this country has no future. I don't understand why everyone over the age of 60 is essentially irredeemable, but there is no greater plague than the fuck-you-got-mine Boomer mindset, dude. The only way you can save this country, and this is like me just waking up having my thoughts for the day, is to just literally let everyone who's over the age of 60 die. Like, I think it may be a good thing that they're getting rid of Medicaid. These Boomers don't want it anyway. Let them get rid of it. Let them get rid of Social Security. Like, honestly, fuck the Boomers. I hope they get rid of Social Security, so that way they don't have a chance to retire. Fuck them. You can come work, like the rest of us. Anyone who is talking about American politics and doesn't acknowledge this generational gap is just blind, deaf, dumb, and ignorant.
>>2283448You didn’t need to type all of that. I simply mistakenly tagged you into a different conversation.
>>2283458This isn’t a gotcha. This is a misunderstanding. I had thought they were referring to Orwell, not hitler.
>>2283852>he was an imperial pig in BurmaHis family forced him into police work in Burma. And he hated his job the entire time.
>he snitched on Communists in EnglandThere is a theme in the list of people you haven’t elaborated on. A very consistent one.
>none of his Spanish Civil War experience shines through in 1984 at all.The Spanish civil war is quite literally the main reason the book was written, including his experiences shortly afterwards.
>>2283870Anon, Orwell's already dead and has been for decades now. I don't think they could possibly be referring to any crime if they're implying one outside of maybe burning all of his books.
Probably more likely that they're saying Orwell deserves to be treated the same way that Stalin treated Yezhov.
>>2283509I remember being a lib(ertrian) in technical college and seeing the news of Libya. I remember thinking
>WTF I thought dems hated warAnd
>well now everyone is going to turn on obamaAnd then reading news comments and seeing libs justify and praising obama leveling Libya. I really wish Americans would understand how imperialism is fucking up the world.
>>2283917>George Orwell>Proletarianlol
<His great-great-grandfather Charles Blair was a wealthy slave-owning country gentleman and absentee owner of two Jamaican plantations;< His grandfather Thomas Richard Arthur Blair was an Anglican clergyman. Orwell's father was Richard Walmesley Blair, who worked as a Sub-Deputy Opium Agent in the Opium Department of the Indian Civil Service, overseeing the production and storage of opium for sale to China.kek you dig yourself deeper with each post
>>2283923Rotmind
>>2283925Your attempts to look at this on individual level makes you ignorant to it on the systematic level.
>>2283928You really tried to pull a sins of the father tier argument here.
>>2283937>Individual level mattersOkay oil exec.
>>2283938Blatant revision of what actually happened
>>2283941You need to be coherent first.
>>2283954The opps are afraid of our progress in destroying America, they're pulling out all the stops to derail conversation with irrelevant bullshit. Obviously that means we're close. We cannot falter now, not in our moment of triumph which will come in a couple of weeks or so or your money back
>>2283957I'm sorry saar, I will post le glim glam from now on
>>2283947>Calling people nazi and zionist is moralismWeird self outting Mossad
>>2283953>George Orwell was not an industrial wage workersNor are many proletarians.
>from a bourgeois family with generational wealthFriedrich Engels
>>2283973>Friedrich Engels cared and collaborated with workersAs did Orwell
>George fucked off to an island in the outer Hebrides because he fucking hated workers. Just like he hated asians.There is no indication of any of this. He simply hated his job.
>>2283974Not aware of any private property under his ownership.
>>2283975Really mossad?
>>2283996how would they "get killed" for not serving in the IOF?
Kill em all.
>>2284054>When you have a lot of servants you soon get into lazy habits>But it was not of this that I was thinking when I found the English 'lower classes' so much more repellant than Burmese 'natives'. I was still thinking in terms of my early-acquired class-prejudice. When I was not much past twenty I was attached for a short time to a British regiment. Of course I admired and liked the private soldiers as any youth of twenty would admire and like hefty, cheery youths five years older than himself with the medals of the Great War on their chests. And yet, after all, they faintly repelled me; they were 'common people' and I did not care to be too close to them. In the hot mornings when the company marched down the road, myself in the rear with one of the junior subalterns, the steam of those hundred sweating bodies in front made my stomach turn. And this, you observe, was pure prejudice. For a soldier is probably as inoffensive, physically, as it is possible for a male white person to be. He is generally young, he is nearly always healthy from fresh air and exercise, and a rigorous discipline compels him to be clean. But I could not see it like that. All I knew was that it was lower-class sweat that I was smelling, and the thought of it made me sick.<this is merely orwell being a snobYes
So it happened…again…
<Shooting on South Carolina charter boat leaves 11 injured: Police
<Shots rang out in Little River, South Carolina, over Memorial Day weekend.
>May 26, 2025, 10:45 AM
>At least 11 people were injured Saturday night when gunfire erupted during a Memorial Day weekend gathering on a docked charter boat in Little River, South Carolina, police said.
>Horry County Police said in an online statement Monday morning that 10 of the people hurt in the shooting were hospitalized with gunshot wounds, including one who was in critical but stable condition. An eleventh victim suffered a non-gunfire-related injury, police said.
>A motive for the shooting remains under investigation, and detectives are working to identify those responsible for the shooting.
>"Thus far, the investigation indicates that the shooting was an isolated event that resulted from an altercation during a private Memorial Day weekend gathering on a charter boat," police said in the statement.
>The incident unfolded around 10 p.m. Sunday in Little River, a town about 24 miles north of Myrtle Beach.
>Numerous police officers and firefighters responded to the scene of the shooting near Watson Avenue near the Intracoastal Waterway and began treating injured victims. Police said some of the victims arrived at hospitals in private vehicles.
>"As the shooting is believed to be an isolated incident, there is currently no associated risk to the community," according to the police statement.
>>2284062>>2284091It’s funny how you tried to avoid the rebuttal.
>>2284093Like I said. Disgraceful and improper.
>>2284147>that became a government mouthpieceThis is cope
>he's not a pedophileCorrect
>he just hates poor, colonized people by his nation!He’s a snob and a germaphobe. Everything you said right there is your head canon.
>but if you want to hear his merits, it's the same as hitler by the eyes of Mises, he saved europe from the bestial masses of the west by making a novel that projects British behavior into socialismPure cope babble right here.
>>2284153>c-copecope
>he's not a pedophile, he just lusts for kids skin>He's just a snob bro, working for the government his entire life both as a cop against colonized then against socialists is detail bro.holy cope, orwell's meat toiled on the thread can't even make a counter argument to anything other than say le cope and le seethe.
>>2284166Then do tell where you got
>that became a government mouthpieceFrom. Oh wait, you can’t. Because they didn’t happen, did it?
>he's not a pedophile, he just lusts for kids skinOnce more, you make it apparent that you simply nitpicked the passages for your “evidence”. There was no indication of lust, and actually bothering to read more of the passages shows snobbery and a disdain for perceived “grossness”, not lust. Your failure to disprove the additional context is quite disappointing.
>can't even make a counter argument to anything>>2284062The counter is right there. Additional context from the book itself. Your refusal to analyze the text merely shows your true dishonest intent.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/orwell/1937/road-wigan-pier.htmThere is only two things you actually care about when it comes to Orwell. The Spanish civil war and the snitching. Your refusal to engage in these two topics is quite telling.
>>2284186Trump: PUTIN IS CRAZY!!!1!
Libs: Finally, you are acting presidential Mister Donald John Trump Sir.
west wing theme song plays >>2284233>it was…le human nature!You definitely glossed
>wow le ussr was just…le bad! >then yes it's anticommunist propagandaThere it is. There it is.
>>2284261>>2284260>>2284263>>2284259>>2284267Look who’s getting antsy. Look at all this squirming. Look at all the dread.
>>2284266Early in life, he was. Later in life, not so much.
>>2284268Oh, but it is not, despite your feelings. It was not I who proudly proclaimed Orwell was a snitch without context. I hold no burden for that act.
>>2284275>>2284274>>2284276You already know the answer.
>>2284277The cia bought the rights, produced a film, and spread the published books among the public in order to curb USSR influence.
The book however were published with Secker & Warbur, and was not funded by government.
Also, you are still dodging.
>>2284030>29 yo, never really had a full job, just odd jobs as ESL teacher Damn how long did it take your to save up the 9400? If 10 years, that's not great, but not terrible, especially considering you don't have full time employment.
> in global terms, or using the USA as a reference: how poor am I?I don't know, you are asking in the USA thread. I guess it all depends on the cost of living in Argentina. How much is a downpayment on a house in Argentina? I think that's the main shit anyone has to worry about:
>How will I afford my own place?>How will I afford food>How will I afford transportation.Then after that maybe healthcare but a lot of us do without. I haven't been to a doctor in years.
>>2284302not wasting any more brain cells on your stupid shit.
ignored.
Okay dumbasses, I’ll say it.
What did everyone in that list have in common?: They were all stalinists/ML’s
What was Orwell’s ideological position? Anti Stalin leftist.
Why was he pissed at stalinists/ML’s?: The Spanish civil war and the resulting aftermath
Are you stupid and prideful: yes
>>2284312Silence dummy
>>2284315>>2284314>>2284317>confirming that anyone who supports orwell is a wrecker>Anarchist>>2284319>anarchistWhat was said here is not implicitly what he thought. This is simply what he reported.
>in fact most are not even supporting of russiaIncorrect and a blatant lie.
>found the (((Stalinist Pattern))) in the clounds huh.No, I found it on just about every single source I could find about the list. Your denial about his anti Stalinism is embarrassing.
>>2284320>the USSR under Stalin saved the world from fascismThe USSR merely stopped (after it bargained with) a more aggressive form of fascism. It did not save the world from it (look out the window), merely trimmed it a little.
>>2284322Anarkiddie. And coverup? I’m the one who steered here in the first place.
>>2284325>ifunny>>2284326Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact
Now that was quite the pounce. And then you had the audacity to your starting statement. Shameful.
>>2284343yeah anyone who supports giving lists to feds is a wrecker.
because those people on that list are almost assuredly talking with other people not on that list, it's effectively an attempt to burn out the whole left.
And you're a moron.
>>2284350>yeah anyone who supports giving lists to feds is a wrecker. An absolutist statement quickly blown away by mere nuance. Fools like you are gleeful about “using the tools of the enemy”, then get scared away like a wild rabbit.
>it's effectively an attempt to burn out the whole leftThis is a cope, and a shield. You hide behind those you normally disregarded. Cowardice.
(snitches get stitches, no nuance here sorry) >>2284343>What was said here is not implicitly what he thought. This is simply what he reported.yes, and he reported an anarchism to the british inteligencia.
>Incorrect and a blatant lie. <38 names but only 12 has either remarks of being pro-USSR, Sympathiser or suspicion of being a sympathiser, majority of the remarks is about them being members of the communist party of brittain.wow what a lie, it's almost like you didn't read the fucking list, it's almost an anti proof of your non argument of being stalinists because majority of the people are just suspects of association to the communist party…
>No, I found it on just about every single source I could find about the list. Your denial about his anti Stalinism is embarrassing.first, show a source for your non argument, smug snowflaking ain't a source, second the list does in no way show they are ebil stalinists, just communists in general that was sold by a government plant know as orwell.
>The USSR merely stopped (after it bargained with) a more aggressive form of fascism. It did not save the world from it (look out the window), merely trimmed it a little.yes, because most of these fascist by the form of the operation paperclip and operation bloodstone were to go live in the US, Grand brittain and west germany, as shown by the fact NATO had Franco and Salazar as members, you know, fascists.
>Molotov-Ribbentrop Pactreaction against the denying of an anti-fascist pact against germany with france and brittain, to monique treaty, the open support by Britain and france to the rearmament of Nazi germany, an nation they put on checke with the Versales treaty that disarmed it, and taking of czcheckoslovakia,an ally to the soviets with poland, with them barring soviets sending troops to the defense of their ally.
wew, this really show how people that defend orwell, an guy that openly joined as a spook to the regime responsable for Nazi germany becoming an danger it became and openly starting the war in Spain he malds about, are openly dishonest, disgraceful!.
>>2284392God that looks hideous to live in
Anyway we have various laws that require you to set aside a certain amount of space for parking depending on the size of the store or shopping area, and in a lot of areas the legal ratio can be ludicrously lopsided towards parking spaces
>>2284396>Anyway we have various laws that require you to set aside a certain amount of space for parking depending on the size of the store or shopping area, and in a lot of areas the legal ratio can be ludicrously lopsided towards parking spacesYeah, I doubt the company really wants to pay for parking they don't need. Wonder why the cities require so much. They can just keep adding businesses and buildings into that strip mall until the ratio gets better.
Just put some businesses in like so.
Then that suburb needs a lot more trees. Looks like the people at the bottom have some nice tree coverage, but most of the ones in the pic didn't even get a single tree.
Israelis marched today thru Muslim towns chanting death to arabs and may your villages burn
They were accompanied by politicians
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-jerusalem-nationalist-march-ben-gvir-0c6471592182aac205115150d1b3a552>>2284407God no, there's no fucking way.
>>2284435I wonder if they translated it to make it sound less warlike. Did you know the Hebrew word for occupation is the same as conquest (כיבוש, sounds like "kibush").
>>2284482>ethicalhurr
best case scenario they get each other killed so go ahead
>>2284485the revolutionary potential of drug dealers
A reminder that internet moderation is policing of a form.
>>2284377>yes, and he reported an anarchism to the british inteligencia.Except as explained earlier, he didn’t. You shouldn’t take the descriptions too literally.
>wow what a lie, it's almost like you didn't read the fucking list, it's almost an anti proof of your non argument of being stalinists because majority of the people are just suspects of association to the communist party…You went on with this little tangent just for me to say this: you took the list too literally.
>show a source for your non argumenthttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwell's_listhttps://blog.nationalarchives.gov.uk/george-orwell-surveillance-and-the-state/https://www.orwell.ru/a_life/list/english/e_listhttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/george-orwell-snitch-list-reactionary-grass-blacklist-communists-information-research-department-ird-government-celia-kirwan-a8414066.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/books/2003/jul/01/georgeorwell.societyhttps://www.chartist.org.uk/orwell-and-stalin/>yes, because most of these fascist by the form of the operation paperclip and operation bloodstone were to go live in the US, Grand brittain and west germany, as shown by the fact NATO had Franco and Salazar as membersAnd the USSR became the Russian federation
>reaction against the denying of an anti-fascist pact against germany with france and brittain, to monique treaty, the open support by Britain and france to the rearmament of Nazi germany, an nation they put on checke with the Versales treaty that disarmed it, and taking of czcheckoslovakia,an ally to the soviets with poland, with them barring soviets sending troops to the defense of their ally.A lot of words for
>we made deals with fascists
>an guy that openly joined as a spook And you still lie.
>openly starting the war in Spain he malds aboutHe joined the war in progress. What a nonsense statement saying he started a war.
>>2284401>The only time you should give info to feds is to mislead or clog the systemYou just agreed with me. But this is the thing I am trying to show. The emotion driven response to the statement I had made earlier was not of material thought. There was no analysis, it was simply reaction. No nuance, no thought. A toxic absolutist position.
I think what Orwell did was reckless, but understandable. He shouldn’t have done what he did, or at least not use such a tactic as a way to purify the movement. He used the dangerous tools of the enemy to rid the public of what he saw as deceivers and false comrades. I don’t not blame him for thinking this way.
But the people who smear him as an enemy anti communist quite frankly disgust me. They lack critical analysis when it comes to situations like this, and it is disappointing. Worse, they do not even take the time to reanalyze their positions. They feel no doubt, only pride.
>>2284381Anti left communist nonsense.
>>2284405The materialist explanation is that he didn’t see them as communists in the place.
>>2284505>Except as explained earlier, he didn’t. You shouldn’t take the descriptions too literally."The Information Research Department (IRD) was a secret propaganda wing of the UK Foreign Office, dedicated to disinformation warfare, anti-communism, and pro-colonial propaganda. The IRD was created in 1948 by Clement Attlee's Labour government, and became both the largest wing of the Foreign Office and the longest running covert government propaganda department in British history. "
"In 1949, shortly before he died, the English author George Orwell prepared a list of notable writers and other people he considered to be unsuitable as possible writers for the anti-communist propaganda activities of the Information Research Department, a secret propaganda organisation of the British state under the Foreign Office."
why you sources goes against your claims ?.
>You went on with this little tangent just for me to say this: you took the list too literally.you are going on your little tirade about taking it too seriously, yet does not change that he snitched on people on many communists for the suspicion of Stalinism, down to anarchists, as the document shows in his remarks, guess his remarks about the character of the people he listed is totally a nothingburger that can be ignored.
>And the USSR became the Russian federation after a coup by people of the same ideological calliber(gorbachev and his decries about "brutal stalinism that controlled the government before him") gained power, and just like gorbachev he cucked out to the capitalist global reich(Banking, buying and spreading his books.).
>A lot of words for >we made deals with fascistsif this is how you can reduce the entire context about the MR pact why are you malding and trying to appeal for context that don't exist to orwell.
>>an guy that openly joined as a spook >And you still lie.a non argument to say.
>he worked for the government as an informant and propagandist, but i have no argument against it okay so you are lying.>He joined the war in progress. What a nonsense statement saying he started a war.yes orwell's meat toilet, hitler totally did not aid the Francoist forces.
what rubish i have to deal with liberals on leftypol, thinking being smug is a substitute for actual arguments, recomend returning to Agent Kochinski's discord.
>>2284538>why you sources goes against your claims?.They quite literally don’t. You are just describing the organization he used right now.
> ‘yet does not change that he snitched on people on many communists for the suspicion of StalinismYou really can’t get your head out your ass. There was no suspicion. They explicitly were. And communists? Debatable. The important thing here is that isn’t as black and white as you claimed the situation to be.
>why are you malding and trying to appeal for context that don't exist to orwellBecause there is additional context for Orwell, and practically none that justifies the MR pact.
>gorbachevA symptom, not the cause.
>a non argument to sayYou are correct. It’s a statement. Here’s the argument: he wasn’t a spook, he was an informant.
>he worked for the government as an informant and propagandistThe blatant dishonesty in your argument. He was an informant, not a hired propagandist.
>hitler totally did not aid the Francoist forces.And even more dishonesty. That statement was never made by me. Orwell was never affiliated.
>what rubish i have to deal with liberals on leftypol, thinking being smug is a substitute for actual argumentsRecognizing irony is above you it seems
>>2284174epic ziggie fail
Putin should execute the people that told him to send funds to the alternate right back in 2015
>>2284625>The chuds think the USA is winningBoy oh boy.
The USAno draft can't arrive soon enough
>>2284652because why the fuck would China and Russia fall for something Kissinger did 60 years ago a 2nd time? See
>>2283533>>2284730> Once Putin finishes seizing Ukraine and inevitably pivots back to NATO<implying "seizing Ukraine" was the goal<implying Putin is going to "pivot back to NATO that never let him join in the first place and caused the war"yeah you're a lib
>>2284736They didn't say anti imperialism was the goal. They simply denied that annexation was the goal. Preventing NATO from expanding into Ukraine, a place where they could place missiles 30 minutes launch time from Moscow, meaning Moscow will not have time to respond, is strategically wise and doesn't have to be "anti-imperialist". Defer to Norm Finklestein on this.
>ziggerA thought terminating cliche
>>2284735How it started:
>Bro Cuctin would never invade Ukraine despite the fact that NATO keeps expanding beyond where they promised they would in 1991, he's an Atlanticist at heart after allHow it's going:
>Bro Cucktin is going to go back to sucking our Western toes any minute now, the moment he's done annexing Ukraine, which was totally his goal, you're le ZIGGER if you think otherwise >>2284746he will and he's proven it with actions, not words, huge difference, i also don't call people ziggers
>>2284747>Ukraine is strategically useful for a ground invasion as well in a way that Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Romania are notyet finland and turkiye are also strategically useful for such a goal, and he has made two of them a NATO member when they otherwise weren't
>>2284656That's not the average. You're getting information from a filter bubble of a minority of Petite-bourgeoisie idiots that post on reddit. Most people don't bother posting on reddit. The majority of Americans don't live like this.
Stop making the mistake in assuming the minority of people that post on the internet is any indicator of the actual majority of people.
>>2283302>1984 was LE well written thoughWhat's LE?
>>2283380>that zionists are almost universally Ashkenazi supremacists.Bro, what little support there is in Israel to end this genocide comes from Ashkenazi bleeding hearts (I don't count the left because it hardly even exists). Mizrahi and Sephardites are filled with bloodlust.
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