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>>2283038 a mass shooting in Philly. apparently near a public park where people were gathering to do different activities.
2 killed
9 injured.
https://www.fox29.com/news/multiple-people-including-juveniles-injured-after-shooting-near-lemon-hill-park-reports>>2284778reminder that the only difference between adventurism and guerrilla warfare is organization.
it's the job of the communist party to provide that organization. Luigi and Elias could have been revolutionary soldiers if there was a party willing to lead them.
>>2284798Assassination works when it's targeted and timed to achieve a specific goal. for example if Israeli leftists assassinated an American politician during a visit to Israel it would flip the entire Gaza genocide situation on its head. Trump would be forced to admit that not all Israelis are "our friends" and the Israeli government would be forced to crackdown domestically which means resources that aren't being spent fighting Hamas.
Assassinating random assholes out of pure opportunism is just retarded though.
>>2284803Mangione wasn't just an adventurist though. He planned and engaged in political activism, tried contacting his politicians, engaged with both parties to try to achieve change, and only resorted to going after Thompson because he had no other options left.
Also, he didn't just shoot him out of opportunism. He knew Thompson would be there for an investor meeting and stalked him waiting outside his hotel. That's the kinda thing Leftists should be doing, making the bourgeois feel unsafe to walk the streets. Not because it would achieve direct political change but because the vibe shift when billionaires feel vulnerable and proles feel like they have power over them would do a lot.
>>2284804>he wasn't a middle-classer, see he tried all the shit middle-classers already doCome on man.
Disillusioned libs going from activism and voting right to individual murder attempts is just what you'd expect from them IMHO.
>>2284803>significant step in the right directionPotD has never been a step towards anything remotely relevant to proletarian association.
People love applying OOC quotes like "no excuses for the terror" to fucking anything.
>>2284761disorganized "revolution" without years of preparation and discipline is just a clumsy march into slaughter. If anything a march into slaughter is the
prelude to the beginning of true revolutionary organizing. Like Bloody Sunday in 1905 Russia. It took 12 years after Bloody Sunday for the successful revolution to happen.
>>2284833We already knew this. Remember this dude?
The right has been using attractive people to push their politics for centuries. Any competent leftist is aware of human psychology instead of being in denial of it. Even the CCP pushes attractive Chinese women in the media to promote the party's interests.
https://wtop.com/virginia/2025/05/trump-pardons-former-culpeper-co-sheriff-sentenced-to-10-years-in-cash-for-badges-scheme/Trump pardons Virginia sheriff convicted of federal bribery chargesSummary:
>President Donald Trump granted a pardon on Monday to Scott Jenkins, a former sheriff in Culpeper County, Virginia, just hours before he was scheduled to begin serving a decade-long federal prison sentence. Jenkins was convicted last December for accepting over $75,000 in bribes in exchange for appointing untrained, unqualified donors as auxiliary deputy sheriffs. During the trial, prosecutors presented photos, videos, audio recordings, and financial analyses showing Jenkins discussed and spent bribe money personally. Trump described Jenkins as unfairly targeted by an overreaching Biden Justice Department and announced that he had issued him a complete and unconditional pardon. The pardon cancels Jenkins' prison sentence, sparking debate over judicial overreach and the implications of Trump’s intervention in the justice system. https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/osec/osec20250523US Department of Labor Announces New Set of Bourgeois Ghouls for Wage and Hour DivisionThe U.S. Department of Labor today announced five political appointees for the Wage and Hour Division, including an acting administrator and four policy advisors.
The team will help Secretary
Lori Chavez-DeRemer and Deputy Secretary
Keith Sonderling carry out the presidential administration's objectives.
Donald M. Harrison III began serving as acting administrator of the division on April 1, 2025.
Before joining the department, Don held several positions with the Alabama Department of Workforce, formerly the Alabama Department of Labor, including general counsel and deputy secretary. Prior to serving in Alabama’s state government, Don worked for nine years as an attorney in private law practice in Birmingham. Don has a B.S. from Auburn University and holds a J.D. from University of Alabama School of Law.
Caroline Brown serves as a senior policy advisor.
Prior to this appointment, Caroline spent her career at Fisher & Phillips LLP where she developed expertise in federal and state wage laws. She received her B.S. from the University of Florida and her J.D. from Nova Southeastern University.
W. Glenn Viers serves as a senior policy advisor. From Atlanta, Glenn previously
provided legal advice as the vice president & general counsel of the Hillstone Restaurant Group Inc. for more than three decades, overseeing wage and hour, OSHA, EEO compliance, and governmental affairs. He began his legal career practicing labor and employment law with Alston & Bird LLP after clerking for Hon. J. L. Edmondson on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit in Atlanta. He received his J.D. from the Wake Forest University School of Law.
Garrett Buttrey serves as a senior policy advisor. Before joining the department, he was chief counsel of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions, and practiced law in the private sector, focusing on labor and employment matters. He received his B.A. from the University of Tennessee and J.D. from George Mason University’s Antonin Scalia Law School.
Dana M. Deason, PHR, SHRM-CP serves as a policy advisor. She has over twenty years of experience in the private sector. Before joining the department,
she held several senior management positions with Arkansas-based transportation companies, focusing on labor relations and human resources compliance. She received her B.A. from Westminster College.
ICE Probably Spied on YouMay 20, 2022 by Farrah Hassenhttps://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/20/ice-probably-spied-on-you/As part of the homeland security reforms following 9/11, Congress created the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency in 2003 to ostensibly fight terrorism and enforce immigration law. But the truth is, ICE went on to use its newly established authority to spy on nearly everyone in the United States.
An independent, two-year investigation has now revealed that ICE collected data on hundreds of millions of Americans under a legally — and ethically — questionable surveillance system largely outside of public oversight.
Georgetown Law’s Center on Privacy and Technology uncovered this dragnet after filing over 200 Freedom of Information Act requests and reviewing ICE’s contracting records from 2008 to 2021.
In its report, released May 10, the Center found that ICE has spied on most Americans without a warrant and circumvented many state privacy laws, such as those in California. The authors conclude: “ICE now operates as a domestic surveillance agency.”
ICE has carried out this surveillance by turning to third parties like state Departments of Motor Vehicles, large utility companies, and private data brokers like LexisNexis Risk Solutions.
From these sources, ICE gained access to driver’s license data for 3 in 4 adults living in the United States, and scanned a third of the license photos with facial recognition technology. ICE is also able to view over 218 million utility customers’ records across the country, including for over half of California’s residents.
>>2284940She's only his stepmom.
>A Florida nurse told her 15 year-old stepson she was 'horny' then raped him - with the sex abuse only interrupted when her lineman husband walked in, it's claimed.
>The teen said he had sex with Von Yates after they had spent time vaping cannabis oil and playing video games before watching a movie together.
>Von Yates is alleged to have started telling the teenager about 'how horny' she was after not having sex for two weeks because she had been on her period.
>He told investigators that Von Yates had been making jokes about her sexual appetite the whole week before they allegedly had sex.
>The teenager described in detail how he started kissing her neck, with Yates allegedly saying: 'I wish you were 18, because you're not old enough.'
>Yates is said to have kicked off her underwear before engaging in oral sex and intercourse without the use of a condom.
>The affidavit also describes how they 'heard something in the garage' but 'kept going' before the boys father walked in.
>The teenager told investigators he ran to the bathroom with his pants around his ankles as his father walked in.
>He was then taken to his grandparents' house, with his father allegedly telling him that he had 'ruined his life'.
>According to the teenager his father had made a stop on the way for a six-pack of beer and was drink driving.
>Describing the jokes about her being 'horny', the teen said they had spent time together at a gym where he says she said: 'I bet everyone thought you were my little boy toy'.
>On another alleged incident, he said Yates had made sexual references with a can of whipped cream, putting it on her tongue and sticking it out at him.
>He told investigators that he had likened it to scenes in pornographic films he had viewed before. She also asked as: 'Oh you like that?', as she did so.
>The following day the teen called Yates who then told him that he wished his father hadn't caught them, the affidavit adds.
>She had also made references to the size of his penis, and rated his sexual performance as 'seven out of ten', it is claimed.
>After the boy's father failed to inform the authorities of the incident, a family member eventually informed the police.
>According to the arrest report, several of the relatives of the teenager had attempted to discourage him from disclosing to police what had happened. >>2284951I went to
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>>2284945>>2284940>She's only his stepmom.Still in a position of authority and fucking a 15 year old. Not being biological parent only makes it a little less bad.
>According to the arrest report, several of the relatives of the teenager had attempted to discourage him from disclosing to police what had happened. Yeah this is why this kind of thing happens so much and for so long. People are more worried about embarrassment than abuse.
>>2285181I thought the same thing.
It seems like your first reaction should be kick the woman out and protect your son.
>>2285238>the British Empire is historically progressive go outside for a little bit
breath a little bit of fresh air, and revaluate what you just said.
>>2284897This is why American trade unionism is a dead end. These workers know that the things they make are being used to murder people all around the world, and they are fundamentally ok with that.
You can't educate them to go on strike for Gaza, and even if you could they'd lose their jobs in the process.
The absolute maximum you can get from union power in America is some mild economism. There is absolutely zero revolutionary potential inside the AFL-CIA, and that is by design.
>>2284852I can't wait for the AI grandpa to tell me all about his woke Hitlerite reasons for "totalen krieg" on the periphery, and then hit the refusal wall when asked about anything NATO/Israel.
THat's the dumb thing about LLMs, they undo the carefully upheld consensus around propriety that the media observes to keep liberalism normalized. You don't need to keep to the questions that will get get you money, or access, or wont get you blacklisted and end your career/life. You can ask simple, common sense questions in layman's terms and watch the digital avatars of Liberalism short circuit before your eyes.
>>2285428I wish Trump and republicans in general resorted to more transphobia. It's a shitty sideshow of the culture war now. And it's pretty much the only thing that gets leftists to do shit, even if it's just tailing liberals.
Honestly, they care more (and express it politically) about the abstract harm to a sexual minority at home, than the do about waging bloody war on the entire fucking planet. Hell, they care more about liberal idpol around transpeople than they do about *literal* genocide done in their name, for their interests, explicitly.
I mean, mind boggling. But whatever, put a gun to every transperson's head if that's the only way your can feel outrage anymore.
>>2285486Retarded post.
The entire force of the online right wing is banding around mocking and harassing the family of a dead 17 year old trans girl. They celebrate dead gazan babies all in the meantime.
They suffer absolutely no political repercussions in doing this – they don't lose votes, they don't become unelectable. Optics aren't fucking real, bro. The culture war DOES matter, because it is a literal war – a physical, mental, and spiritual assault on all of their enemies all at once.
>>2285486>>2285496I was reading an article the other day about trans people arming themselves because of fear of trans democide by the US govt due to project 2025. and there was this interview with a trans woman in her 20s, she owns her own home and shit, and she's like "I've hoarded 30,000 rounds of ammunition in my garage." and that just baffled me…. like… how is that gonna stop the govt. from killing you? you need to get organized. not just hoard a small armory on your private property that you cannot wield by yourself. you are not a many-armed God. You are one person with two hands. you need other people lol. Imagine if they sent 30,000 rounds of ammo to Hamas instead of hoarding it in their garage.
Here's the article
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/05/more-transgender-americans-are-arming-themselves-under/
>She has filled her garage with “20 to 30,000 rounds of ammunition” and up to a year’s worth of estrogen—reaching the outer boundary of the drug’s one- to two-year shelf life.
>“Starting with the election, I became very concerned,” she told Uncloseted Media.Also just hoarding estrogen… does that have a shelf life? Is she driving up the cost of estrogen for other trans women by hoarding it like that?
>>2285521The result of the left checking out of the culture war is that all the war-capable men are rightoids who think commies should be tortured and killed. They have all the guns. All the vigor. All the willpower. They dominate every inch of culture. Every workplace is chudded up. Every hobby is filled with chuds or sneering libs. Leftism is seen as more cringe than it was in the 2000s with the videos of those fat anime nerd maoists.
Leftists "read theory" in hopes that it will materialize Stalin. Right-wingers seize material reality, censor their opponents forever, and win.
>>2285526>counterrevolutionarydidn't say that (or >IMPLY it)
>everything they haveit was a throwaway joke because that's a ridiculous amount of ammo for one person to own by themselves. I don't actually expect anyone in the continental US to donate literal weapons to hamas. there's no way to do that without a huge network of smugglers between here and the levant. you would get arrested immediately.
>distribute it freelythey didn't say that in the article
so far you have
<made up shit I didn't sayand
<made up shit they didn't say >>2285544>falling back on "I was just joking libtard" when called out on shitty takesCome on, that's just lazy
<uuuh they didn't say it in the articleWell maybe you should actually talk to some queer antifascists now and then rather than making assumptions?
>>2285540>1991Gorbacuck: ok we will dissolve our communist party, our socialist superpower, and our military alliance, as long as you stop expanding your military alliance eastwards and let us transition to European style social democracy….
NATO: Deal
Gorbacuck: Happy to do business with you
NATO: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH FUCK YOU EAT SHOCK THERAPY BITCH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH WOMEN WITH PHDS WILL SELL THEIR BODIES FOR PENNIES. ENJOY CHEESEBURGERS AND KROKODIL AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA WE WILL BRING SEVERAL MORE NATIONS INTO NATO AND ALSO DESTROY YUGOSLAVIA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FUCK YOU
why did they fall for this, bros?
>>2285555>shitty takesshitty takes you made up. i never said trans people are counterrevolutionary. And no I don't really expect the home owning individual with enough reserves to buy 30,000 rounds of ammuniation who by no means represents the average working class trans person to throw away their comfortable life by donating their mini armory to hamas. It's not a "fallback" it's the truth. If you scroll back up I said "imagine if" they donated that. "imagine if" doesn't denote an actual expectation.
>Well maybe you should actually talk to some queer antifascists now and then rather than making assumptions?I wasn't talking about queer antifascists I was talking about an article I read.
>>2285569Then what's the point? You posted this article in response to me saying that defending Palestine and defending queer people domestically aren't mutually exclusive positions, so I fail to see what was even the purpose of bringing it up unless you think there's something contradictory about that which your article supposedly exposes. And again, this in response to the federal government withholding funding to an entire state because of ONE (1) trans girl doing track and field
I'm sorry if I'm a bit tense and automatically assuming bad faith, shit's just really bad everywhere and it's hard to keep calm and collected sometimes.
>>2285599To be fair, you dont know from the article that she isn't organizing on top of everything else. As far as we know she's got an affinity group or cadre going and she's helping to train others in militant action against the state. It could be the case that she's mostly doing it for her own benefit, but from my personal experience "militant queers" or whathaveyou tend to be rather receptive to vanguardism and organizing in general.
>>2285601'salright, the chan format makes it inherently difficult to tell if someone is actually interested in discussion or if someone is just engaging in bad faith. We're all comrades here regardless of tendency and we're all stuck in the same sinking ship called America, and all the coast guard sends to us are boats full of clowns.
Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I think we've got just enough regular participants in this thread and Americans that use this site in general that if we coordinated we could actually form a revolutionary organization if we set our minds to it. The rest of you can fun of me for my perceived naivete if you wish, but it's probably more productive than just sitting here arguing all day.
>>2285613<LGBTYour country banned abortion for like half of all people recently and actually, in real life killed infants and mothers and generally ruined lives because of it.
But it's June again.
And unlike LGBT(but really only the fringiest groups like trans-people) the Dems are not willing to give a group as big as women any say over policy.
So I guess medicare for transpeople and legalize poppers.
>>2285624>Your country banned abortion for like half of all people recentlymaybe
Let's
Guillotine
Bourgeois
Tyrants about it
>>2285627Remember, the entire thrust of burger foreign policy at this present juncture is to redo Kissinger's hail mary: The Sino Soviet Split, but this time in reverse. Nixon and Kissinger got China to normalize trade relations with the US and abandon its alliance with the USSR. But this was after tensions between the USSR and PRC were already high for several reasons. Burgers want a repeat. They want to break trade based orthodox christian capitalist Russia away from the PRC. They think it will be easy by appealing to "western cvltvre" and other spooks like that. but the calculus is off because NATO is pissing off Russia and Europe has spent the better part of 5 years calling Russia irredeemable asiatic orc jungle hordes trying to ruin the garden of Eden with their pillaging. So you have clowns like Tucker Carlson going over to Russia to interview Putin and saying "please sir fight the chinese with us" and Putin going "lol you're CIA, kys".
Trump was sort of the last hope for this strategy and now he's saying "woah, putler is hecking evil?!?!" and that's throwing the whole strategy in the trash can. So the state department is trying to save face and stick to the strategy that was never working. Another example of tragedy then farce.
>>2285428Don't forget the real problem is Racism even though half this country is brown who voted for this and there's never going to be any mass deportation.
Also 90% of mainstream transphobia comes from leftist theology and is propagated by Great Replacement's most fanatic ideologues, JK Rowling comes to mind. In my country the biggest anti-trans activist also spent half of her life tagging BNWO feminism stuff in all of Paris. Very common archetype. Even this website used to be hotbed of violent anti-trans sentiment before it was too irrelevant to bother posting there.
I am not fond of rightists, even less in their current incarnation, but it have to be said. Plenty of leftists support such sadism.
>>2285516>you need to get organized.Meaningless statement. On the level as "you should pray jesus bro!".
Hoarding one billion gun in your basement in the hope youll fire at the ennemy eventually isnt a political solution either but it is still more relevant and vitalistic than sitting there and "organizing" which means nothing if you do not have elite connections or live in a densely populated area that is full of other people like you.
>>2285624>Your country banned abortion for like half of all people recentlyHalf of women voted for this, rendering it a non issue.
>>2285651TERF shit isn't "leftist" by any stretch of imagination. But it is true that transphobia is pretty deeply ingrained in western society thanks to heavily funded propaganda efforts, it just makes it all the more important for the few of us that actually give a shit to do something, especially on behalf of those who cant defend themselves like this literal child. Maybe this is all pointless and a lost cause to begin with, but I guess I'm just too damn stubborn to surrender the future to braindead chuds and their AI soyjak singularity.
>>2285662Well to be fair this IS the guy who posted the Putin cum tribute after all. Sexually repressed puritans tend to be big sheet freaks
>>2285659The political climate, ideologies and demographics at play are so different i don't even know what is the point in posting this.
>>2285661She is, and understand herself as such.
>>2285667>TERF shit isn't "leftist" by any stretch of imagination.It's not because it's gross and you don't like it that it's not the left, or an emanation of it.
>>2285673>bosseswhy is this cartoon afraid to say "capitalist"?
your "boss" is your manager, not the owner.
ive noticed this though. even the communist propaganda in my city is about fighting "oligarchy", ever "capitalism". its a censored word today.
>>2285674define "leftism"
do you think marx would have accepted trans people?
>>2285682i hate sloganeering
>>2285681marxs social values are irrelevant and he would have 'accepted' proletarian trans people anyway
>>2285685he earned the right to be a queen given the context of his time
>>2285686this is just banter that middle classers and academics take to mean anything deep
>>2285684>he would have 'accepted' proletarian trans people anywaydo you think marx would have thought it is possible for a man to become a woman?
>>2285683good. you are an independent thinker.
also, i havent seen a definition of "leftism" yet
>>2285688im sure posting online is quite different from the context of 1900 tsarist russia
>>2285690>also, i havent seen a definition of "leftism" yetmorons here define leftism to be indistinguishable from communism lol
>>2285694>muh artmiddle classers are still mad culture lies outside the bounds of class struggle
>His personal social views were irrelevant.yeah, because culture is irrelevant to communists
>>2285697>culture lies outside the bounds of class struggleany examples?
>>2285699just say "marx was an 19th century man, of course he wouldnt accept the claims of trans identity" and it will be over.
>>2285706yes and I also know the difference between sex and gender, though also back then little boys would wear dresses until they were 3-5 years old. It was called "breeching" when a boy was first allowed to wear pants (breeches).
did you know clown fish literally will just change their sex? we will unlock true chromosome changing technology through neo-lysenkoism
>>2285677because capitalist has 4 syllables and boss has 1
burgers love saying shit like "boss" and "worker" instead of "bourgeoisie" and "proletariat" because we're fast talking dummies not a bunch of fancy pants europeans
>>2285711>boys would wear dressesboys wear dresses today, but that doesnt make them a girl. "crossdressing" implies a cis identity, for example.
>clown fish literally will just change their sex?yes i did know that. its very interesting.
>we will unlock true chromosome changing technology through neo-lysenkoismwhy would you want to change your chromosomes?
>>2285750there's the whole concept of non-genders and gender-fluidity and a third, non-descriptive or "attributable" one
it isn't exactly tearing apart the whole notion of sex
>>2285752>non-genders>gender fluiditysounds like a phase
>it isn't exactly tearing apart the whole notion of sexwell it isnt even conceiving of its own notion.
>>2285753>abolishing genderwhat would that entail?
>>2285758>what would abolishing gender entail?women can be soldiers
men can change diapers
etc.
>>2285778No. Turning dollars-to-gold would imply money is backed by the gold standard.
What Disantis has allowed people to do in practice is to use gold for physical exchanges. If you've ever seen those "goldbacks" rightlibs use you'll know.
>>2285667>But it is true that transphobia is pretty deeply ingrained in western society thanks to heavily funded propaganda effortsComing back to this again.
Respectufly, i disagree with that. The top-down propaganda part.
While there is obviously top-down consent manufacturing for more transphobia, most of it happenning today is a different beast than transphobia from the immediate past.
Transphobia back then just fell under generalized bigotry of everything that was alternative or othering in some kind of way. It do not think the average American in the 1950s, or even the average German in the 1940s was transphobic more than they were close-minded. I mean that they also hated slavs, jews, blacks, homosexuals, liberated women etc pretty much everything that stuck out. It was part of a greater worldview, it wasnt even personal in a way, and most never even envisaged a transsexual actually.
Nowadays it an unhealthy nihilistic fixation, the mania of a civilization that have become so maximally inclusive of everything that exist it doesnt know what it is and why it does things anymore, it's the lashing of rootless degenerates that needs a scapegoat to save the Republic and feel appart of a group as any other meaningful markers are either destroyed (the traditional family), on the verge of being destroyed (nations) or being made illegal (white ethnostate). It also allow for brown people, who are reaching critical mass in western countries, to integrate/subvert by indulging in anti-trans mania too. Any goblin from the slums of Manilla can become a trve westerner now, but not trans people.
It ressemble Rome's last century as miltary defeats, Christian subvertion, class decay, wide scale ethnic replacement in both the elite and underclass as well as litteral vitalistic barbarian raids showed their nose and St Augustine's partly blamed the current state of things on the Gallus* class who in his eyes represented the decadence of the times despite going way back. He did while advocating for the advent of christian values around sexuality, theology and presentation as potential salvation. Rome got terminally raped by BVLLbarians afterward, of course. We are in the phase of history that rhymes.
*A male born eunuch cult who occupied functions such as prostitutes, muses, priests/divination or bureaucrats, they intented to pass as women and look female-like using body modification and likely primitive form of HRT. As many statues made of them featured small burgeoning breasts. Basically ancient MtF transgenders.
That famous hermaphrodite statue at the Louvre was likely based one of those people, although it was a reproduction of a now lost bronze statue dating back to ancient greece, so it likely wasnt a Gallus proper but a similar religious cult. Sorry for the wordcelism.
>>2285681Sorry I was busy with classwork, but you know what I'll take a stab at it. Even though nobody here can really agree on what "leftist" means or if communism is "leftist" (it is, but not all leftists are communist) I'm going to give the best description I can muster that comes from personal experience and shared traits between ideologies and movements. It's sure to be a definition that pisses some people here off but whatever
"Leftism", broadly speaking, I would define as anything that sees the current state of affairs, namely capitalism, as undesirable and seeks to replace it with a more equitable system. More equitable being the key term here, otherwise "leftism" would also include reactionaries who want to turn back the clock to a more stratified society. Leftism in turn meanwhile can be broadly divided between liberal leftism, which seeks to achieve a more equitable society via reformism and working through existing institutions; and revolutionary leftism, who believe that the current system needs to be overthrown by means outside of the system's accepted institutions and discourse. Communists and anarchists fall squarely into the revolutionary category, while demsocs and succdems fall into the liberal category.
Again this is broad and will not please everyone, but when people say "leftism" this is usually along the lines of what they mean. As for whether or not Marx would accept trans people, irrelevancy of the question aside, Marx was a scientist and a materialist. While trans people have existed in some capacity throughout history, during the 19th century there was basically no research on it so the thought wouldn't even cross Marx's mind. However, if you showed him stuff from the 21st century that explained the science and biology behind being transgender he'd probably be fine with it
>>2285795>marx's feeling toward trans people is irrelevant to him being a leftistoh really? so will you revoke your statements; that transphobes cannot be leftists?
>While trans people have existed in some capacity throughout historyif you are implying that they existed before modernity, you are wrong
>marx would be fine with itbut would he accept the postulation that a man can become a woman?
>>2285794Maybe. But the particular eunuch demographics i described they mirror others well with the MtF transsexuals of today: Bureaucrats, lumpen prostitutes/pornstar, classy models and muses for artists (Amanda Lear inspired and dated Salvador Dali, Bowie, Bryan Ferry, Brian Eno, Mick Jaegger).
They also looked alike a whole lot based on various depictions and descriptions.
They're not identical but they do rhymes.
>>2285804>oh really? so will you revoke your statements; that transphobes cannot be leftists?In this day and age when it's settled science and opposition to being trans comes purely from moralistic idealism, yes absolutely you cannot be a leftist if you are transphobic. In the same way you shouldn't pretend to be a leftist if you believe in creationism.
>if you are implying that they existed before modernity, you are wrongThey did though
>but would he accept the postulation that a man can become a woman?Inaccurate and disingenuous framing of the situation. Marx would accept the postulation that one can be assigned male at birth yet not be "male". Again, it's science
>>2285813>In this day and age when it's settled sciencewhat is?
>you cannot be a leftist if you are transphobicso heres the interesting thing. all that bullshit you wrote before goes out the window. the only difference to you between being a leftist or not is your attitude toward transgender people. it is the "unforgivable sin".
>They did thoughany examples?
>Marx would accept the postulation that one can be assigned male at birth yet not be "male"so, would marx accept the postulation that a male can otherwise not be male? or would he call this a contradiction? if you wanted to explain transgender identity to marx, how would you frame it?
>>2285830im not. im just trying to unravel your logic.
your claim is that to be transphobic is not to be leftist.
i ask, would marx be transphobic?
to which i got endless excuses
thrn finally, you assert that marx wouldnt be transphobic (how convenient)
now i ask, in what capacity would marx not be transphobic? how would you explain it to him?
>>2285843it's on the booru lefty.pictures.
https://lefty.pictures/post/view/24822I don't feel like downloading it on this particular computer
>>2285851the perfect answer was a yes or a no.
the question itself is rheorical because the answer is implicitly a negative. thats why everyone started making excuses for why they didnt have to answer it.
>>2285848Eh I for one dont think this was a false flag, just someone rightfully really pissed about the genocide in Gaza who while well meaning engaged in some rather foolish adventurism. Which granted is a step up from doing nothing, but only barely.
>>2285854Starting to think we should do something about this
>>2285871Also their "armed wing" is literally a biker gang that styles themselves as "the Sadistic Souls"
Like come the fuck on man
>>2285888nothing ever happens
billions must fatten
>>2285871Also
>the NSM was run by literal satanists and their uniforms are edgy and cringeHaven't you heard? Joy of Satan rebranded earlier this year. Now they're the "Temple of Zeus" and their website finally doesn't look like a relic of geocities.
>>2285904Satanism seems to have fallen off hard, yet a thing that is undertalked about in between all these tradcaths is in fact a raise in pagan beliefs
>>2285902Yeah, I have like a big theory as to why chuds seem to have stopped caring about fitness these days. It's a work in progress and is very terminally online though
>>2285915Modern chuds are the most demonic, consoomer-brained morons in human history tbh.
An easy way to see this is by examining how chuddy a fanbase is vs how out of shape it and artistically unskilled it is. Stuff like gachaslop or vtubing or nu-anime are filled with frail weaklings or fat slobs and are also chudded up to fuck.
>>2285908Do you have any reading comprehension? The fact that he wasn't more indiscriminate is why it looks like a false flag.
>>2285889It changed the headlines from being about Israeli forces shooting at European diplomats to being about Israeli diplomats being shot.
>>2285918I would say based, but as the Kolovrat was literally invented by neo-nazi Alexei Dobrovolsky (aka that funni German LARPer from TNO, he was arguably even weirder irl) I'm not really sure if that's appropriate imagery.
Or maybe we should just accept the fact that spinny wheels are objectively cool looking, idk
>>2285920this is even weirder than TNO wtf
fucking Gorby gave Russia a lobotomy or something
>>2285947One, Neo-Nazism is seen as peak edgy politics, and Satanism is seen as peak edgy religion. As such if one were attracted to Nazism because of its anti social tendencies, one would adopt other views based on shock value.
Two, many Neo-Nazis see Christianity as either corrupted by the Jews or a Jewish program outright, meant to enslave the Aryan race to weakness and abandon their true gods which gave them power or something. Usually this results in them going towards some bastardized neo-paganism like Wodenism or just making racism a religion itself, see the Creativity Movement, but sometimes they see Satan as an antagonist towards the Jews and celebrate that. It can vary heavily.
>>2285777What's wrong with this statement? I'm trans myself and this is true. In fact, I'd say identity politics are a mechanism with which lumpen is created.
>minority is discriminated against>minority is not hired anywhere>minority has to live in very mercenary an unstable ways due to not being hired anywhere>minority is now lumpenBeing an autist trans woman makes me impossible to hire. People look at me with disgust as soon as they see me or as soon as I start talking. So I'm forced to be a fucking leech.
And this is not unusual. We wanna fucking work but nobody wants to work with us!
>>2285959trvthnuke.
reminder that Israelites are white pretending to not be white, needs correction.
>>2285978>The quality of life for trans people usually depends on the politics of the country and quality of healthcare infastructure.Not exactly. There aren't that many countries where trans people can receive care and even in those countries your wealth determines the outcome. Generally speaking it's never worth it to transition if you're already vulnerable. Only the bourgeois have good outcomes, everyone else just ends up ruining their life. Yes, you'll be living a lie, but at least you'll be living a lie with a roof over your head and not homeless on the street because you wanted to wear a dress.
This sounds really cruel but it's the advice I'd give any young person looking to transition: Take care of your financial needs first, and only take the plunge once you're in a stable place. Otherwise you WILL regret it.
>>2285986I can't really help you there honestly but I am sure in the future we will find cures to mental illness and stuff in the future. A lot of issues in society in general are systemic and its pretty hard to overcome them because its not really your fault.
>>2285992I mean the issue with current material society is that the global communist movement is very weak. The Bourgeois obviously get access to better treatment and medical care, don't think I am defending social democracy or something. That wasn't the point I was trying to make. Some countries don't even have access to healthcare at all or their system is miserably bad.
>>2285976lol being trans in chile is a lot better than being trans in the rest of latam
>>2285978um im pretty sure theres rights and public healthcare for trans people in chile, id know it being one too
>>2286000Yeah but the bigger problem for me is the autism. Once when looking for employment a guy working there told a joke and I didnt get it. I just stood there silently, frying in my own anxiety. Then I muttered some sort of "uhh……..?" and the guy just looked at me and then started ignoring me as if I was vermin. I have lots of experiences like that. As an autist I just never pass the vibe check and people make sure to punish me as harshly as they can. Hell, I discovered that I'm a transhumanist not even that long ago but the autist issues were always there.
Most people ain't lumpen by choice they're just excluded from everything and then forced to live like rats.
>>2286001I'm not trans or diagnosed autistic, but I was messed up by social anxiety when I was younger. I used to beat myself over how I came off to people, replaying moments in my head, thinking I spilled my spaghetti. What helped me was just re-framing the situation.
Let's say some asshole treats you like you're beneath them, whatever passive-aggressive bullshit they try. Your instinct is to internalize that, assume you messed up socially. But no. Fuck that shit. That asshole? That piece of shit acting like you're an alien? That's the vermin. He's so spineless he can't handle someone not being "normal", whatever his little dumb brain decided that to be. It's weakness disguised as superiority.
So why the hell would I want the approval of someone like that? What value does his respect even hold? I get you were there for a job but still. It's like trying to impress a cockroach.
I understand it's harder when you're trans or visibly different, because the world's full of asses who'll treat you like shit or a threat just for existing outside the "normal" bubble. What it means is that they're actually scared of you. You don't scare people by being wrong, you scare them by being something they can't control or box in.
These people are just noise, static. Ant people I call them. Their approval means nothing, it's like a stinky fart. They're beneath you. Realize that and it won't matter as much. Makes you come off colder and more of an asshole but there's some benefit to it. Anyways hope you get better.
>>2286029>These people are just noise, static. Ant people I call them. Their approval means nothing, it's like a stinky fart. They're beneath you. Realize that and it won't matter as much.>>2286030>I think of amor fati and the Aphorism 341 from The Gay Science because otherwise I would go insane with bitterness and despairThe Nietzsche thing I like is about the eagles and the lambs. So you imagine a beautiful green meadow where there are beautiful, fluffy lambs who keep getting killed by eagles in brutal ways. The lambs grow to hate the eagles, who they think are evil, and that lambs (and other creatures that are most like lambs) are good. But the eagle doesn't actually hate the lambs, the eagle loves the lambs because they're tasty and have little delicious pink noses. The truly lofty creature is incapable of hatred, they love the world that gives them the freedom to swoop.
There are all these people who read Nietzsche and think they have power because they act like dickheads to other people. The preen their feathers and like to squawk a lot and think that makes them eagles. That's one reading. Another reading is that if you hate anything at all, have even the tiniest bit of resentment in your soul, even towards your most despised enemy, then you'll never fly.
>>2286117This brought a tear to my eye
The Jews must pay
>>2286175You could always publicize or create carnage
Might be fun
Alright enough is enough. We all know what we have to do. We all know the solution to the American question. We're going to save the world from imperialism, and we're going to start it today with the formation of the
Leftypol All-tendency Revolutionary Partisans organization
Bylaw 1: Everyone who joins our group does so understanding that we share a common goal of bringing about communism first to the territory known as the United States and then to the world. The particular name of the tendency you belong to is irrelevant, what matters is our goal.
Bylaw 2: Racism, homophobia, transphobia, and other such petty bigotries not explicitly directed at the enemy are prohibited, and outright forbidden among comrades.
Bylaw 3: Vodka is to be provided at all party meetings. Cannabis however is right out, I've seen how folks function at political events while high and they aren't very helpful. Save that shit for when you get home.
Bylaw 4: The organization shall adhere to the doctrine of leaderless resistance, with different cells encouraged to act autonomously provided they advance the goal of bringing communism to this land and do not contradict the bylaws
Bylaw 5: While there is no official leadership, there will be a designated ideological vanguard, membership of which is restricted to those who either demonstrate their knowledge of Marxist and Anarchist theory or have proven themselves in some way, details of which we'll elaborate on. As the name implies the purpose of the vanguard is to provide ideological guidance and direction to members of the organization, as well as handling official communications to the population at large and those outside of our organization.
…wew, okay this is actually a little harder than I thought. Anybody got any ideas?
>>2286191Yeah but I wanted to preempt people from calling me a soyboy cuck, otherwise I agree
REVISED BYLAW 2: Racism, homophobia, transphobia, and other such petty bigotries are explicitly prohibited
>>2286197Don't think we're gonna have to utter the words "President Noem", even in this shitty timeline where we have to say "President Trump", but they're 100% gonna go for another neolib fuck given that they ousted David Hogg for the incredibly radical idea of "Hey, maybe we should let the younger members of the party with some more progressive views have a shot instead of letting these out-of-touch living corpses cling onto their seats and antiquated decorum for dear life at the expense of everything else?"
They're fucking worthless as a party and even more worthless as a vehicle for socialism now that they've abandoned any concerns for the working class & the working class has abandoned them in turn, all while the ruling class has found more use in the Trumpist fascism of the GOP when it comes to upholding the capitalist hegemony and preserving their own capital.
>>2286211You might be right if we were actually waging physical war, but the inclusion of commanding officers and such seems unnecessary when we're low on numbers and mainly probing the state. Which I think is good, keeping membership limited to those who have the drive to commit to a revolution. We could write a couple of things into the bylaws ensuring a level of discipline among cells, or allow individual cells to vote on an internal chain of command.
That said since our goal IS communism, and we do have the material conditions to actually see it in practice rather than just "low stage socialism", it seems reasonable that we behave according to our principles. We're not fighting for a stratocracy that will build the "productive forces", nor just another state that will align itself to China and Russia instead of Europe: both would be far too easy for opportunists to coopt and then the revolution will be for nothing.
>>2286245so what is your point, that the us liberals and cons (fascists) would never go to war with one another? there have been several inter-capitalist civil wars.
or perhaps you believe socialists could not possibly take advantage of the situation?
the purpose of the popular front is to push for more radical demands and not have it just be a shitlib conflict
>>2286255Lmao, believing that there's more in common between communists and left-wing liberals than left-wing liberals and right-wing liberals.
>fascistsDon't be stupid. Anyone who fits the definition of fascist today is a larping loser and even put together they are politically irrelevant.
>>2286257>Lmao, believing that there's more in common between communists and left-wing liberals than left-wing liberals and right-wing liberals.Your only choices are being enemies of one group or being enemies of both
>Don't be stupid. Anyone who fits the definition of fascist today is a larping loser and even put together they are politically irrelevant.everyone in the trump administration is a fascist
>>2286282yes, here you go
>The US is not a dying economy or fracturing capitalists are not divided.delusional, the three branches of the government are openly undermining each other as we speak
>The security state works not just for leftists and you are not seeing it flex because it has no need to. incomprehensible sentence
>You are incapable of getting off the ground from the left, against just the surface of PR and liberal bureaucracy yes, the left is failing as an independent political movement
>and you think you can welcome and keep liberals in check to do a revolution? Sure. May as well invite the feds and the billionaires.this would not be a revolution. revolution is impossible in the current circumstances. if we push and get very lucky it may spiral into a revolution. it would get rid of a large chunk of our most radical enemies however and force many concessions we want though
>You'd be screaming bloody fascism if it was 2001 and the PATRIOT ACT was happening before your eyes and every liberal was screaming for blood.this is revisionist history, libs in 2001 largely signed on to the patriot act
>And yet here you are, two decades downstream, thinking *that* was normality and it's what we have now that has crossed a threshold.there is no "threshold", social breakdown is a continuous process
>You know, the fad that will go away after Trump's second term?you're completely delusional, there is no "after his term"
>>2286292>democracy brainedis it you again?
>It is ridiculous to think that Mr. Kautsky could find in any country even one out of a thousand of well-informed workers or farm labourers who would have any doubts as to the reply. Instinctively, from hearing fragments of admissions of the truth in the bourgeois press, the workers of the whole world sympathise with the Soviet Republic precisely because they regard it as a proletarian democracy, a democracy for the poor, and not a democracy for the rich that every bourgeois democracy, even the best, actually is.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/prrk/democracy.htmSURELY LENIN WAS ONLY SPEAKING METAPHORICALLY
SURELY LENIN REJECTED DEMOCRACY AND DIDN'T ACTUALLY BELIEVE THERE WAS ANY SUCH THING AS PROLETARIAN DEMOCRACY
>>2286292>proletarians dont need to be the majorityit certainly helps
https://www.marxists.org/archive/johnstone/1983/xx/majority.htm
>Marx was well aware that, particularly in countries with a peasant majority, universal suffrage could be used to hold back the working class and sanction reactionary regimes. He discussed this process very clearly in The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte. However he did not conclude from this, like Blanqui, that the peasant majority should be disenfranchised and dictated to by the revolutionary workers of Paris. On the contrary, he stressed the need to work for unity between the peasantry and the urban workers – ‘their natural ally and leader’ – so that ‘the proletarian revolution will obtain that chorus without which its solo becomes a swan song in all peasant countries’.
>For Marx and Engels, proletarian revolution did not presuppose the necessity for the working class to have become sociologically the majority of the population, as has sometimes been asserted [108], but rather, whether this was the case or not, to have won majority political support. It was not enough to have obtained the backing of the majority of the working class, if this only constituted a minority of the people as a whole. A proletarian revolution, wrote Engels in 1847, ‘in the first place will inaugurate a democratic constitution and thereby, directly or indirectly, the political rule of the proletariat. Directly in England, where the proletariat already constitutes the majority of the people. Indirectly in France and in Germany, where the majority of the people consists not only of proletarians but also of small peasants and urban petty bourgeois, who are only now being proletarianised and in all their political interests are becoming more and more dependent on the proletariat and therefore soon will have to conform to the demands of the proletariat. [109] In 1895 Engels insisted that for French socialists ‘no lasting victory is possible unless they first win the great mass of the people, that is, in this case, the peasants’. [110]
>For Marx and Engels the democratic nature of a socialist revolution was not determined by whether conditions allowed it to be carried through peacefully or violently, constitutionally or unconstitutionally. It depended on its enjoying the support of the majority of the people. The majoritarian nature of the proletarian movement was emphasised, as we have seen, in the Communist Manifesto, which went on to declare that its ends could ‘be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions’. [132] Similarly, in an interview with the Chicago Tribune given on December 18, 1878, Marx explained that although ‘there will be a bloody revolution in Russia, Germany, Austria and possibly in Italy … these revolutions will be made by a majority. No revolution can be made by a party, but by a nation’. [133]
>The winning of a majority was considered essential by Marx and Engels not only on grounds of expediency, but also because of the democratic nature of the socialist project. If Engels was to write in 1885 that ‘if ever Blanquism – the fantastic idea of overturning an entire society by the action of a small conspiracy – had a certain raison d’être, that is certainly so now jn Petersburg’ [134], it was because he saw it as an ‘exceptional case’, where such action against the ‘unexampled despotism’ of tsarism could ‘release explosive forces’ among a people who were ‘approaching their 1789’ [135] – i.e. a bourgeois revolution. Such methods would be quite inappropriate for a socialist revolution aiming to establish ‘the self-government of the producers’ [136] with ‘the haughteous masters of the people’ replaced by ‘their always removable servants … continuously under public supervision’. [137] In such a revolution, wrote Engels, where it is a question of a complete transformation of the social organisation, ‘the masses must themselves already have grasped what is at stake, what they are going in for with body and soul’. [138] Moreover the prospect of the withering away of the state was based, as Engels made clear, on ‘a free and equal association of producers’. [139] to the effective development of which minority rule would constitute an insuperable obstacle.
>From the beginning Marx had rejected the elitist and doctrinaire approach which proclaimed, ‘Here is the truth, kneel down before it!’ As against that, he wrote in 1843: ‘We develop new principles for the world out of the world’s own principles. We do not say to the world: Cease your struggles, they are foolish; we will give you the true slogan of struggle. We merely show the world what it is really fighting for, and consciousness is something that it has to acquire, even if it does not want to.’ [140] This was the spirit in which Engels wrote to Kautsky forty years later, arguing that a socialist government should give independence to colonial countries and let them find their way ‘completely of their own accord’ – even though it would involve all sorts of uncertainties and disorders – through whatever ‘social and political phases (they) have to pass before they also arrive socialist organisation’. And Engels emphasised: ‘One thing alone is certain: the victorious proletariat can force no blessings of any kind on any foreign nation without undermining its own victory by so doing.’ [141]
>Marx’s and Engels’ whole political philosophy and practice marks them off unambiguously from the elitist Jacobin-Babouvist-Blanquist political tradition with what Talmon calls its ‘totalitarian democratic ideal’ and of which he curiously claims Marxism to be ‘the most vital among the various versions’. [142] >>2286237Well I hope to
fuck we would hold members
of a communist organization to higher standards than the average prole.
>>2286312do i have to be an orthodox uyghur with all the right opinions to become a jannie
also can i have vendettas against certain posters and ban them simply because i hate them and think they are wrecking the movement
>>2286245Semi-feudal is still "fully" capitalist. It's analogous to having lower grade citizenships or having political autonomies for reactionary organizations and churches ala mormons.
Transitional states don't exist, it's either-either - and maybe some holdouts. Majority peasantry under capitalism is like today's African agrarian nations where agrarian workers are working like peasants for their landlords, have no free market access, forced into uneven trades with chocolate companies, etc etc
>>2286429The problem is they have much larger userbases than us and, more importantly, more sites. If they get derailed, they laugh it off or go to another site. When we get derailed, the effects last for 5+ years because only 30-40 people regularly post here.
>creating a hostile environment and forcing people to rehash the same stupid basic bullshit over and over instead of moving on to other more productive matterswheredoyouthinkweare.png
>>2286204>Governor Gavin Newsom has clarified with KCRA that transgender students will be “scored separately” from cis girls and boysNeoliberalism is simply fascism that cloaks itself as meritocratic free markets that aren't actually merit based or anarcho-capitalist at all (actually Newsom probably does support child trafficking like Bookchin's PMC anarchist allies!)
>>2286783>Workers of the world will continue to be loyal patriots of their respective nation states until globalization destroys all linguistic and national bordersIf "historically progressive" globalists destroy national myths, reactionaries will simply invent a new one that has incorporated critiques of socialists being traitorous Jews or whatever
>>2286911Sexual obsession with WHAT?
That took a helluva turn
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