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The bourgeois family–the family as it exists today–is creepy as fuck. Every parent I've known develops some bizarre predilection with their child's sexuality, which stems from a sense of ownership over the child. You don't "own" your child. You're mandated by state to raise them.

The fact so many people view children as a burden is exactly why we need to annihilate the bourgeois family. And folks with kids don't feel any different, and they treat their kids accordingly. Raise kids in state-run boarding schools. Let people who like kids raise them.
57 posts and 6 image replies omitted.

>>2289341
>Let people who like kids raise them.

Lol no thanks.

>>2289874
he doesn't mean pedophiles you retard

>The bourgeois family–the family as it exists today–is creepy as fuck.
Trump's creepy incestuous view of his family is a perfect example of Actually Existing Bourgeois culture
> Let people who like kids raise them.
hell yeah I believe in parental rights…parents have the right to SHUT THE FUCK UP! 💀💀💀💀💀💀

>>2290034
>hell yeah I believe in parental rights…parents have the right to SHUT THE FUCK UP! 💀💀💀💀💀💀
can you either read the room or fuck off?

>>2289789
prison and work can be compared
but school cant…?
your cognitive dissonance is showing
in fact, school is worse since its also unpaid, involuntary and you can even get shot up these days.

Communes will instantly set up prisons, schools and family units again

>>2289341
Parents are concerned especially father's because they know how perverted, fuckboyish and sex obsessed moids are.

>>2289789
>>2290358
Prison is closer to slavery than wage work and an apt replacement for it after slavery as a dominant, legal, and scalable mode of production in the US collapsed in 1865.

>>2289547
>Now tell me what Marx said on child labor.
Learning a trade and helping children mature and become independent faster is like the complete opposite of child slavery.

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>>2289479
>>2289484
If I were a pedophile like Foucault I'd also see schools as indistinguishable from everything else.

>>2290763
school is also a mode of slavery.
thats my point.

>>2290856
>vibes and aura

>>2289529
>irrelevant time wasting allusion to non-present debate on twitter
>>2289640
>That's just the prevailing ideology on these sorts
>on these sorts
Source: Vibes and thing noticing

>>2290860
tell me the differences between school and prison

>>2291807
Are you retarded?
School you can leave at the end of the day.
At the beginning of the day you can do a 360 at the school gates and turn around to go and smoke weed with your mates.

>>2291809
okay, so the two differences are that you leave at the end of the day (to do homework)
and you get to smoke weed?

>>2289678
10000 mt truth fusion bomb

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>>2291811
> (to do homework
<he doesn't know
lmao. you didn't actually have to do it, anon. I don't think i ever did a single piece of homework after year 7.
>and you get to smoke weed?
No, you utter imbecile, the key takeaway was that you can turn around at the gates and not even you know, enter the school.
Do you know what a prison is?

>>2289341
>You don't "own" your child. You're mandated by state to raise them.
Wtf, I love anti-natalism, and childfree movement now.

>>2291846
>you dont have to do homework and you dont have to go to school
you know youre talking shit because youre sageposting

>>2289341
>The bourgeois family–the family as it exists today–is creepy as fuck.
>posts some furry shit

>>2291908
Yes i'm pretty sure that was the joke, anon.

>>2291869
<nooo why would you sage my shitty /siberia/ tier threads which only exist to shit the front page up
Truly a mystery, anon.

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>>2289531
mein gott, schools under capitalism are going to be instutions where you get literate enough to participate in society (as a wage worker). it's the baseline expected of average labor power. society has advanced that much that there is a need to have higher baseline expectation of the general population so that they may (under someone else's directive, if under capitalism) operate society. but it this sense they are progressive because a mediaeval peasant wouldn't be able to operate in modern society, for example.
now of course if you aren't retarded this makes sense because modern schools are developemnts of the prussian school which needed to exactly that - get a large population educated quickly so that they may operate with the state machinery, and even get some professionals quickly.
schools are, this is all very true, and especially with the bologna reform in europe, fordist assembly lines of average labor power and professional labor power.
are schools going to look like this under communism? probably not. the soviet union and china followed the model that historically worked to get on par with imperialists. that's understandable. how are schools going to be organized? probably something like yugoslavia's model + less nonsense taught (marx writes somewhere that children's education should also enhalt actual factory work - i agree!). so a more developed form of prussian schools. but this is, also, understandable (if you are not an idiot) because you have to construct socialism out of real existing things. you can't just imagine a new system ex nihilo.
and that's my main gripe with anarchist talking points like this (yes, talking about the 'end' of proletarian dictatorship (i.e. communism) and how 'that' would look like is anarchist because it's utopian) is that they contribute nothing to the real movement but just make it harder to make communism a mass movement by demanding that all members of the movement have an opinion on every retarded take you can think of.

>What we can now conjecture about the way in which sexual relations will be ordered after the impending overthrow of capitalist production is mainly of a negative character, limited for the most part to what will disappear. But what will there be new? That will be answered when a new generation has grown up: a generation of men who never in their lives have known what it is to buy a woman’s surrender with money or any other social instrument of power; a generation of women who have never known what it is to give themselves to a man from any other considerations than real love, or to refuse to give themselves to their lover from fear of the economic consequences. When these people are in the world, they will care precious little what anybody today thinks they ought to do; they will make their own practice and their corresponding public opinion about the practice of each individual –and that will be the end of it.

>>2289529
they hated anon because he called them out as the children they were

>>2292035
>schools elevate labour power (by not teaching anyone any skills)
does this also imply that immigrants cannot perform the labour fitted for people with over a decade of public schooling?
>medieval peasants couldnt perform contemporary wage slavery (like standing behind a desk)
>mass education
would you say the general population is "educated"?
>anarchism
i never mentioned anarchism, freud, foucault, postmodernism or abolishing the family - yet all these kneejerk terms were thrown out at me because i simply questioned the legitimacy of the contemporary school system (by even praising an aristocratic system of boarding schools). see the issue? everyone is so quick to defend the status quo yet are hesitant to criticise it. you are doing the same with this bullshit pragmatics.

>>2292063
>does this also imply that immigrants cannot perform the labour fitted for people with over a decade of public schooling?
what do you mean? there are immigrants and there are immigrants. those poorer, less educated emigrate (as labor power, towards where the actual wealth is) and then work in 'lower class' jobs (no education sans elementary) or turn to crime (as poor people tend to). those immigrants coming from a comprador bourgeois or petty bourgeois background are not going to be part of this part. see the issue with lumping people into categories which obsfucate class?
>would you say the general population is "educated"?
putting in under quotations makes it possible for you to continuously argue about the meaning of 'educated'. yes, the general population is more educated than the previous generations. yes, there are also more and more examples of bourgeois intellectuals mystifiying reality and selling crackpot education, but this is due to the system being in crisis
>i never mentioned anarchism
you don't have to, since honest communists can smell ideas stemming from petty bourgeois vagabundism.
>because i simply questioned
oh you poor you oh boo hoo you and your simple questions
get a grip
>everyone is so quick to defend the status quo yet are hesitant to criticise it. you are doing the same with this bullshit pragmatics.
socialism is built with real persons and real things already existing not with utopian ideas dreamt up by delusional anarchists. you can't even argue about the merit of this 'alternative schooling system' without, and let me put this very clearly, WITHOUT TAKING STATE POWER and actually PUTTING YOUR IDEAS INTO PRACTICE TO TEST THEIR VALIDITY. the prussian system produces educated workers quickly and efficiently. this will clearly be necessary under a proletarian dictatorship, in a worker's state, since you'll have to retrain thousands of technicians tied to dying industries (like oil) and you'll have to educate millions to upkeep and build green energy etc. the efficacy of the prussian system together with proletarian dictatorship (like in the ussr and china) has been historically proven to work and there's literally no reason to discover warm water all over again. once we actually get to the civilization level of the ussr (or near it) can we actually talk about new and improved things.

>>2292063
>>2292148
>the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class to win the battle of democracy
>the proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest,all capital from the bourgeoisiecentralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State
>the State i.e. the proletariat organised as the ruling class
>to increase the total of productive forces* as rapidly as possible
>in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property by means of measures which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which necessitate further (!!) inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.
>these measures will be different in different countries
>in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable
>…
>10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c
please read the the festo ;__;
*this does not mean heavy industry, read the the german ideology

>>2289386
It’s school but competent
Ok

>>2290763
It's a (literal) joke, don't take it seriously.

>>2290358
🍔
You don't have schools in your country. You have no right to speak on the subject.

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>>2289380
>>2289476
Yes, not everything is learnt like fun and games and there has to be a standardized teaching curriculum irrespective of whether the child likes it or not. Grow up.
It's great to talk about making learning interesting etc etc but without some strict line of compulsion regarding certain subjects you'll just end up with retarded kids who can't read or do sums at the age of 10.

>>2290358
A lot of people here are mentally stuck in highschool and can't cope with the idea that schools are designed to do that. You try to raise serious qualms with school, bourgoise family structure, or anything else logistically involving children and they revert back to their discontent for not having the movie highschool experience^tm and make posts like this >>2289529 to extinguish the conversaion they aren't mentally prepped to process.

>>2293307
>A lot of people here are mentally stuck in highschool
As opposed to retards who think complaining about school is communism.

Unironically grow up. Communists are against giving anyone rights in the first place. But with children in particular it's because they lack the mental faculties (so do many adults but that's besides the point) to comprehend the consequences of their actions. They must be protected from themselves and others.

Before you reply with some shit about how this authoritarian and elitist, yes it is. Letting idiots (and children are idiots at least temporarily) exercise their own judgment results in such wonderful things as the antivax movement.

>>2293307
>>2290358
Also, calling school worse than jail is peak retardation.

>leftoid society mother
<no timmy, you cant stay home and play video games all day
>she was then put against a wall and shot by the peoples militia

>>2293313
>calling school worse than jail
<The bourgeois family–the family as it exists today–is creepy as fuck. Every parent I've known develops some bizarre predilection with their child's sexuality, which stems from a sense of ownership over the child. You don't "own" your child. You're mandated by state to raise them.
<The fact so many people view children as a burden is exactly why we need to annihilate the bourgeois family. And folks with kids don't feel any different, and they treat their kids accordingly. Raise kids in state-run boarding schools. Let people who like kids raise them.
No one cares which is "worse," using the badness levels of jail to defend how schools are right now is nonsense.

>>2293313
>>2293337 (me)
Oh it just occured to me you were talking about >>2290358 , don't know why you quoted me for that.

>>2293311
>As opposed to
Vibes and thing noticing
>Unironically grow up.
Criticizing load-bearing institutions required to keep society running is juvenile?
>Communists are against
Communism is a mode of production after socialism, schools will work different under socialism than under capitalism, and will work different under communism than under socialism, ad infinitum.
>Before you reply with some shit about how this authoritarian and elitist,
Ah, you're a recovering(?) anti-tankie redditor. Read Max Stirner and Marx.

>>2289341
You are trans

you just mad your parents don't love you

>let people who like kids raise them

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>>2293297
>please stop criticising school even though i cant make a list of its benefits
>>2292148
>what do you mean?
your claim is that 13 years of school raises the labour power of a nation by presumably teaching them skills. my claim is that school doesnt teach you skills, since immigrants can do most jobs in the west to the same rate that the natives can. you are then found in an error, where in fact, baseline labour power is not increased by education at all.
>yes, the general population is more educated than the previous generations
educated in what?
>oh you poor you oh boo hoo
thats a very odd response to my claim of questioning power. clearly you believe in a whiggish system of "progress" where things just get better on their own. thats why you dont want to disturb the plan.
>the prussian system produces educated workers quickly and efficiently.
if that were the case, it wouldnt take 13 years to create barely-literate citizens.
>ussr
the failed russian experiment?
>once more assuming im an anarchist
cite me where i criticise the idea of a state. you are just reactive, grasping onto explanations of how anyone could criticise the failing system of western capitalist schooling.

>>2293570
All the effort to achieve compulsory education and we now have retards wanting to "liberate" children from it.

>>2289498
Our education system sucks, but this comparison is stupid. The worst that could happen when you ditch school is lose credits or get in trouble by your parents. Escaping from prison could get increase your sentence or even killed.

>Raise kids in state-run boarding schools. Let people who like kids raise them.
You know kids get molested in those places more than by priests right? And how the fuck are those two related? You think everyone gets a job they like? Sage and ban if there ever was one.

Youth Liberation sounds like the name of a really cheesy pop punk/melodic hardcore band and that's all it should ever be.

>>2289358
and you should and I will teach them mathematics and linux

>>2293570
>>ussr
>the failed russian experiment?
oh i see you're a retard lol don't have to reply further lmao this fucking retard is reducing the Soviet union to a "failed Russian experiment" hahahaha kys anticommunist rat

>>2294286
so we shouldnt improve anything?
>>2295043
>not going to school just gets you in trouble with your parents
no, if you dont go to school, your parents go to jail and you are forced to go anyway. you have no choice.
>>2295252
so the ussr succeeded?
also, i havent gotten a single example of what is good about school yet.


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