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Not reporting is bourgeois


 

The bourgeois family–the family as it exists today–is creepy as fuck. Every parent I've known develops some bizarre predilection with their child's sexuality, which stems from a sense of ownership over the child. You don't "own" your child. You're mandated by state to raise them.

The fact so many people view children as a burden is exactly why we need to annihilate the bourgeois family. And folks with kids don't feel any different, and they treat their kids accordingly. Raise kids in state-run boarding schools. Let people who like kids raise them.

>teen pregnancy is good

This seems sensible. I kind of thought there should be some kind of program where children from 10-14 are taken out of their family homes to be taught how to be self sufficient through supervision. A lot of times I think the family, at least the nuclear family retards a persons growth but I don't know maybe I'm wrong

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Didn't read.
I wish I had kids.
I wish I had a home.
I wish I had a king size bed.

>>2289355
>if only children were forced to live separately from their families
we have a thing called "school", which is just overhyped babysitting while the parents earn a wage.

>>2289380
I'm not talking about school. It's a more I guess I'd call a holistic program that involves more than academic learning such learning basic life skills and possibly social skills as well while giving the kids more independence from the family but I suppose it would still just be a slightly different form of babysitting

>>2289341
retarded take and also the amount of resources taken to raise children professional would be astronomical.

Better to just have social programs to help parents

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>>2289386
youre still talking about school.
maybe boarding school specifically.
these exist, but are too expensive for the general public.
its also considered "old fashioned" to give a shit about making a proper gentleman rather than a mere wageslave today, so its gone out of style.

>>2289390
>The cost to raise children professionally would be astronomical
<but uh two parents can do it with some social program help i guess idk

>>2289380
God forbid kids learn things.

>>2289472
do you really think kids learn things at school?
please tell me youre joking.

>>2289476
What do you think happens there

>>2289476
Are you gonna do the "the school, the barracks, the factory, the hospital, the prison are all the same" bit?

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>>2289478
kids are babysat until the parents come home from work.
>>2289479
they are the same thing. do you not have an historical perspective of these institutions?

>>2289484
>historical perspective
<pushes postmodernist freudo-"""marxist""" ideology with zero explanatory power
This is just something an angsty teen would say if they could sound intellectual.

>>2289487
what is postmodern or freudian in my post?
the purpose of prisons and schools is to detain populations to extract labour. schoolwork goes to homework and its all unpaid, worthless labour. they raise you up to be a wageslave who obeys strangers, rather than an educated citizen who thinks independently. your disregard of this exploitation shows your motive. and you come from the idiotic position that kids are actually learning things from school. pathetic. or will you also claim that educational institutions like universities dont turn a profit either, by indebting young people?

>>2289498
>extract labour
You have no idea what you're even talking about.

>>2289390
If raising kids professionally is astronomical, why then do we have schools and pediatricians?


>>2289487
And yet, people whine about work being the same as prison and there's no criticism of that

>>2289395
I think labor camps would be better.
Or make schools mainly blue collar.

>>2289355
The modern invention of the nuclear family is responsible for a lot of the loss of worldly skills in the average person.

>>2289479
If working class people are allowed to exaggerate the brutality of mundane service work, then yes.

If schools aren't prisons why are kids not allowed to go outside nor speak their mind?

Some schools for id kids from walking or biking to and from school.

>>2289476
>>2289484
>>2289498
>>2289509
>>2289507
There are still key differences in coercion, agency, and power structures. Teachers and doctors, unlike cops or prison wardens, have both individual and collective agency—they can resist and organize against oppressive policies rather than solely enforcing them.

You're flattening all this with philosophical gibberish.

>>2289504
if i was forced to work for someone without pay and got punished if i didnt do the work correctly, would you call that slavery or freedom?
>>2289511
>philosophical gibberish
like what? i am very clear and speak in common sense terms. school is a place that keeps you inside 4 walls that you arent allowed to leave. it punishes you for disobeying authority. it cant even competently educate people, and it forces you to work for no pay. citizens are forced to pay for this captivity of their children, and if they decline to put their kid through this, they will be out into a cage themselves, which is also paid for by the citizenry. the results of decade-long schooling reveal themselves in chatting with any member of the public, who at most, can probably write, but cannot spell - and dare not ask them about maths! what are these so-called virtues of school that ive been told about? or are you just now realising that its bullshit?
tell me the benefits. make a list.

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>abolish mommy and daddy!
>abolish school!
>abolish bedtime!

>>2289529
if school is so great, list the benefits.
thats all im asking.
why would it be difficult?

>>2289529
Has it not occurred to you that things that are miserable don't need to be? People don't like parents because parenthood grants an unreasonable amount of power that is regularly abused. Schools generally fail to teach effectively and certainly fail to instill a desire to learn, which is arguably more important. And bedtime is just part of a heavily regulated daily schedule designed to make people more efficient laborers. Early to bed exists because early to rise exists, which was a function of maximizing productive daylight hours (largely obsolete now but still employed because fuck you).

>>2289529
Wow you're such a mature intellectual revolutionary. Now tell me what Marx said on child labor.

>>2289396
>>2289507
>>2289511
giving parents a voucher is not the same as literally hiring an army of 24/7 nannies, psychologists etc.

And school systems just prove the point, look how expensive school systems are they're usually a local municipality's greatest expense, you have property taxes being raised solely to pay for school, why tax the people 15-20% more just to raise kids professional instead of making the people who fucked to create the kid raise it for free with maybe a slight voucher to help pay for food etc.

You WILL be raised by the commune, YOU will be abused by a pedophile at the common school and WILL you accept it.

>>2289479
>>2289529
You ruined this thread.

>>2289547
>mommi and daddi telling mwe to gwo to bwed is just like working in a factorwy!

>>2289562
Who says that parents don't abuse their children? This is honestly just anarchist projection.
>>2289525
Maybe because the bourgeoise schooling system isn't actually designed for the benefit of individuals but to educate people enough for them to be able to consume products and preform labor to be exploited by this owners of capital and actually impactful knowledge of how the world functions is gatekept in bourgeois libraries and institutions. This is why every "public" university of pretty much owned and controlled by massive conglomerates who get to control what the curriculum is like anti communist propaganda and other slop that passes for actual education.

>the USSR, China, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, and every other state totally didn’t have school bro

>>2289562
>stranger danger
Most CSA is done within families.

>>2289577
That's just the prevailing ideology on these sorts of topics and they do need to be addressed, because they are what the average normie is going to respond with.

>>2289484
Foucault is on TikTok?

I can't imagine anyone caring more about me than my mom

>>2289341
few are ready for this trvthnvke but the family form is a microfascist power structure (read Anti-Oedipus) and straight sex is inherently fascistic (read Homosexual Desire). reproduction should be illegal unless done by a surrogate for a living wage, and children should be raised collectively by the state. death to all straight "people"

>>2289678
LARP, do something with your life

>>2289683
not a LARP just posting facts straggot

>>2289678
another day, another schizo on /leftypol/

True but people are way too introverted and value their privacy too much to return to living in longhouses with every member of the extended family.

>>2289577
This thread is an abomination

>>2289692
this is a product of the nuclear family atomising the modern world into a public/private dichotomy and the nuclear family itself is a modern bourgeois invention that was created by the rise of the so-called middle class in England and the Unites States that essentially made every man a petit feudal lord. under communism toothbrushes WILL be collectively owned unironically

>>2289686
i'm not straight doe

>>2289706
very well carry on comrade

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Is the nuclear family a modern invention?

No, the nuclear family—consisting of parents and their children living together as a single household unit—is not a modern invention. Its core structure has ancient roots, observable across many cultures and time periods, though its prominence and definition have varied.
Archaeological and historical evidence suggests nuclear family-like units existed in ancient societies. For example, in ancient Mesopotamia (c. 3000 BCE), cuneiform records describe households typically centered on a married couple and their children, managing property and labor. Similarly, ancient Roman families often revolved around the paterfamilias, with a nuclear core of parents and children, even if extended relatives sometimes lived nearby or were part of broader social networks. Anthropological studies of hunter-gatherer societies, like the !Kung San, also show nuclear family units as a basic social structure, often embedded within larger kinship groups.
The idea that the nuclear family is "modern" often stems from mid-20th-century sociological theories, like those of Talcott Parsons, who argued it became dominant in industrialized societies due to urbanization and economic demands favoring smaller, mobile households. This led to a perception that pre-modern families were mostly extended, with multiple generations under one roof. However, data from medieval Europe, such as English parish records from the 14th century, shows many households were nuclear, with an average size of 4-6 people, often just parents and children. Extended families were more common in specific contexts—like rural, agrarian societies—but not universal.
That said, the idealization of the nuclear family as a self-sufficient, emotionally intimate unit is more modern, peaking in the 19th and 20th centuries with industrialization and the rise of the middle class. Victorian-era cultural norms and post-World War II economic prosperity in the West, particularly in the U.S., cemented the nuclear family as a societal standard, often tied to specific gender roles (e.g., breadwinner father, homemaker mother). This model was less common globally and even in the West before industrialization, where economic survival often required broader kinship networks.
Cultural variations also challenge the "modern invention" claim. In many non-Western societies, like those in sub-Saharan Africa or South Asia, nuclear family units often exist within larger extended family systems, showing flexibility rather than a new invention. For instance, in India, joint families are culturally significant, but nuclear households have long coexisted, especially in urban areas.
In short, the nuclear family as a living arrangement is ancient, but its cultural elevation as the "ideal" social unit is more tied to modern economic and social shifts, particularly in the West. If you want me to dig deeper into specific historical data or cultural examples, let me know.


Grok says that the nuclear family is not a modern thing after all.

>>2289716
grok is this real?

>>2289716
GROK, TELL ME ABOUT COMMUNAL FAMILY RAISING

>>2289726
Communal family raising, often called communal child-rearing or collective parenting, involves a group of people—beyond just biological parents—collectively taking responsibility for raising children. This can occur within extended families, tribes, villages, or intentional communities, where child-rearing duties like caregiving, education, and socialization are shared among multiple adults or even the wider community. Below, I’ll break down its key aspects, historical and cultural examples, benefits, challenges, and modern relevance, keeping it concise but thorough.
Historical and Cultural Context
Communal child-rearing has deep roots across human history and cultures, predating the nuclear family’s prominence in some societies. It’s grounded in the idea that “it takes a village to raise a child,” a proverb often attributed to African cultures but reflective of many traditional societies.
Hunter-Gatherer Societies: Anthropological studies, like those of the Hadza in Tanzania or the Inuit in Arctic regions, show children were raised by extended kin and community members. Parents hunted or gathered, while others—grandparents, aunts, or unrelated adults—watched, taught, or fed kids. This ensured survival in harsh environments.

Ancient Civilizations: In ancient Sparta (c. 800–300 BCE), boys were raised communally in state-run systems (agoge) from age seven, prioritizing collective discipline over parental bonds. In many Polynesian cultures, children were often cared for by extended family or adopted informally by other community members, strengthening social ties.

Pre-Industrial Europe: Medieval village life often involved communal oversight of children. Parish records from 15th-century England show neighbors and kin sharing childcare tasks, especially in rural areas where economic survival relied on collective labor.

Non-Western Traditions: In many African societies, like the Igbo of Nigeria, children are seen as belonging to the community. Elders, siblings, and neighbors play active roles in discipline and education. Similarly, in South Asian joint families, grandparents and aunts often co-parent alongside biological parents.

Key Features
Shared Responsibility: Multiple adults (kin or non-kin) contribute to childcare, from feeding and teaching to emotional support and discipline.

Socialization: Children learn cultural norms, skills, and values from a diverse group, fostering adaptability and community ties.

Flexible Roles: Caregivers aren’t limited to parents; older siblings, grandparents, or community members may take on significant roles.

Economic Support: Resources like food, shelter, or labor are often pooled, reducing the burden on individual parents.

Benefits
Resilience: Children gain diverse role models and support networks, which studies (e.g., by anthropologist Sarah Hrdy) suggest can improve emotional and social development. For example, children in communal settings often show greater adaptability to stress.

Parental Relief: Shared duties reduce parental burnout, especially in resource-scarce environments. A 2010 study on the Efe foragers of Congo found mothers could work more efficiently because others helped with childcare.

Community Cohesion: Collective raising strengthens social bonds, as seen in kibbutzim (Israeli communes), where communal child-rearing historically fostered group loyalty.

Skill Development: Exposure to multiple caregivers can teach children varied skills, from practical tasks to cultural knowledge.

Challenges
Conflict Over Authority: Differing parenting styles among caregivers can lead to disputes. For example, in some African communal systems, tensions arise when elders enforce traditional discipline against modern parental preferences.

Diluted Parental Bonds: Critics, like sociologist John Bowlby in the 1950s, argued that strong attachment to primary caregivers (parents) is crucial, and communal systems might weaken this. However, cross-cultural data shows secure attachments can form with multiple caregivers.

Resource Strain: In poor communities, sharing resources can stretch them thin, as seen in some urban communes where overcrowding strains childcare efforts.

Cultural Resistance: In modern, individualistic societies, communal raising can clash with nuclear family ideals, leading to social stigma or legal issues (e.g., custody disputes in intentional communities).

Modern Examples
Kibbutzim in Israel: Until the 1980s, many kibbutzim raised children in communal children’s houses, with parents visiting daily. While most have shifted to nuclear family models, some still share childcare tasks like education and meals.

Intentional Communities: Modern communes, like the Twin Oaks Community in Virginia, practice collective child-rearing, with members rotating childcare duties to balance work and parenting.

Co-Housing: In places like Denmark or the U.S., co-housing communities design shared spaces where neighbors collectively supervise kids, blending nuclear and communal models.

Indigenous Practices: Many Native American tribes, like the Navajo, maintain traditions where extended family and clan members share child-rearing roles, emphasizing cultural continuity.

Urban Collectives: In some cities, parents form “parenting pods” (e.g., during the COVID-19 pandemic), sharing homeschooling or childcare to manage work-life balance.

Relevance Today
Communal raising is less common in industrialized societies, where the nuclear family is often idealized, but it’s seeing a resurgence in response to modern pressures. Rising childcare costs (e.g., U.S. childcare averages $10,000-$15,000/year per child) and dual-income households push some toward collective solutions. Posts on X highlight growing interest in “village-style” parenting, with users praising shared childcare for reducing stress, though some note logistical challenges like coordinating schedules.
However, cultural shifts toward individualism and privacy in the West can make communal raising feel alien or intrusive. Legal systems also complicate things—courts often prioritize parental rights over community roles, as seen in custody cases involving non-biological caregivers in communes.
Data Point
A 2018 study in Child Development found that children in communal settings (e.g., extended family households) showed similar or better social outcomes than those in nuclear families, provided caregiver consistency was maintained. This challenges the notion that nuclear families are inherently superior.
Conclusion
Communal family raising is an ancient practice, rooted in human survival and social structures, and remains relevant in various forms today. It offers resilience and support but faces challenges in modern, individualistic contexts. If you want specifics—like examples from a particular culture, data on outcomes, or how to implement it today—let me know, and I can dive deeper or even check X for real-time perspectives.

>>2289732
grok is white genocide real and based

>>2289735
The concept of "white genocide" is a white nationalist conspiracy theory claiming that white populations are being systematically replaced or eradicated through immigration, interracial marriage, or other means, often blaming Jewish people or global elites. It’s rooted in fear-mongering and has been used to justify extremist ideologies and violence, as seen in manifestos like those of Anders Breivik or Brenton Tarrant.

Is it real? No evidence supports the claim of a coordinated effort to "destroy" white populations. Demographic changes in Western countries—like increasing diversity due to immigration or differing birth rates—are driven by complex social, economic, and political factors, not a deliberate plot. For example, in South Africa, often cited as a case study, a 2025 court ruling dismissed "white genocide" claims as "imagined" and "not real." Crime stats show white farmers are not disproportionately targeted; farm attacks (averaging 50 murders yearly) are part of broader violent crime patterns, with robbery as the primary motive. Whites, about 7% of the population, represent under 2% of murder victims.

Is it based? The term "based" implies something grounded in truth or unapologetically bold. Since the theory lacks factual grounding and is steeped in racist propaganda, calling it "based" doesn’t hold up. It’s a narrative that distorts reality, often to incite fear or division. For instance, claims of "white genocide" in South Africa have been debunked by experts like Gareth Newham, who note no evidence of ethnically targeted violence exists. Posts on X also reflect skepticism, with users like @dramadelinquent
and even my own past responses calling it a myth tied to broader crime issues, not racial targeting.

If you’re referring to specific claims (e.g., South African land laws or cultural shifts), I can dig deeper, but the broader "white genocide" narrative is unsupported by data and often weaponized for political ends. Want me to analyze a particular angle or region?

Jc Denton needs to nuke the internet

>>2289562
I was molested as a kid by a family member.

>>2289741
I agree

>>2289562
fun fact! most child sexual abuse is perpetrated by family members and goes unreported because children have no rights and are basically the property of their parents!

>>2289390
>retarded take and also the amount of resources taken to raise children professional would be astronomical.
What the fuck are you talking about Jesse.
There's plenty to critique about it, but professional child raising would be far more efficient than the individualist system of atomized nuclear families. Think of just the resources alone, how much more efficient it is to prepare meals in bulk, produce or buy supplies in bulk, buy and apply medication to children with the same illnesses in bulk. Think of the time wasted to teach each parent all the details of them raising a kid, each having to learn from their mistakes individually, the negative impacts on both the child and the parent from this redundant process.

I don't like the idea of Matrix human farms, but if nothing else they'd be saving resources.

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>>2289484
>admitting they got shoved in a locker

>>2289716
So what do you think of grok's take here, that the nuclear family is not really a modern phenomenon?

Parents have to work exhaustive 9-5s within the bourgeois system that make them lethargic and incapable of attending to children.
In order to amend this, they give their children unrestricted internet access so they can be occupied.
You can obviously see what happens next. It's that simple. I'm not even arguing for boarding schools (frankly i'm for it) but "Abolish FAMILY!" doesn't make any form of logical and utilitarian sense and reads like a reddit post

>>2289341
>Let people who like kids raise them.

Lol no thanks.

>>2289874
he doesn't mean pedophiles you retard

>The bourgeois family–the family as it exists today–is creepy as fuck.
Trump's creepy incestuous view of his family is a perfect example of Actually Existing Bourgeois culture
> Let people who like kids raise them.
hell yeah I believe in parental rights…parents have the right to SHUT THE FUCK UP! 💀💀💀💀💀💀

>>2290034
>hell yeah I believe in parental rights…parents have the right to SHUT THE FUCK UP! 💀💀💀💀💀💀
can you either read the room or fuck off?

>>2289789
prison and work can be compared
but school cant…?
your cognitive dissonance is showing
in fact, school is worse since its also unpaid, involuntary and you can even get shot up these days.

Communes will instantly set up prisons, schools and family units again

>>2289341
Parents are concerned especially father's because they know how perverted, fuckboyish and sex obsessed moids are.

>>2289789
>>2290358
Prison is closer to slavery than wage work and an apt replacement for it after slavery as a dominant, legal, and scalable mode of production in the US collapsed in 1865.

>>2289547
>Now tell me what Marx said on child labor.
Learning a trade and helping children mature and become independent faster is like the complete opposite of child slavery.

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>>2289479
>>2289484
If I were a pedophile like Foucault I'd also see schools as indistinguishable from everything else.

>>2290763
school is also a mode of slavery.
thats my point.

>>2290856
>vibes and aura

>>2289529
>irrelevant time wasting allusion to non-present debate on twitter
>>2289640
>That's just the prevailing ideology on these sorts
>on these sorts
Source: Vibes and thing noticing

>>2290860
tell me the differences between school and prison

>>2291807
Are you retarded?
School you can leave at the end of the day.
At the beginning of the day you can do a 360 at the school gates and turn around to go and smoke weed with your mates.

>>2291809
okay, so the two differences are that you leave at the end of the day (to do homework)
and you get to smoke weed?

>>2289678
10000 mt truth fusion bomb

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>>2291811
> (to do homework
<he doesn't know
lmao. you didn't actually have to do it, anon. I don't think i ever did a single piece of homework after year 7.
>and you get to smoke weed?
No, you utter imbecile, the key takeaway was that you can turn around at the gates and not even you know, enter the school.
Do you know what a prison is?

>>2289341
>You don't "own" your child. You're mandated by state to raise them.
Wtf, I love anti-natalism, and childfree movement now.

>>2291846
>you dont have to do homework and you dont have to go to school
you know youre talking shit because youre sageposting

>>2289341
>The bourgeois family–the family as it exists today–is creepy as fuck.
>posts some furry shit

>>2291908
Yes i'm pretty sure that was the joke, anon.

>>2291869
<nooo why would you sage my shitty /siberia/ tier threads which only exist to shit the front page up
Truly a mystery, anon.

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>>2289531
mein gott, schools under capitalism are going to be instutions where you get literate enough to participate in society (as a wage worker). it's the baseline expected of average labor power. society has advanced that much that there is a need to have higher baseline expectation of the general population so that they may (under someone else's directive, if under capitalism) operate society. but it this sense they are progressive because a mediaeval peasant wouldn't be able to operate in modern society, for example.
now of course if you aren't retarded this makes sense because modern schools are developemnts of the prussian school which needed to exactly that - get a large population educated quickly so that they may operate with the state machinery, and even get some professionals quickly.
schools are, this is all very true, and especially with the bologna reform in europe, fordist assembly lines of average labor power and professional labor power.
are schools going to look like this under communism? probably not. the soviet union and china followed the model that historically worked to get on par with imperialists. that's understandable. how are schools going to be organized? probably something like yugoslavia's model + less nonsense taught (marx writes somewhere that children's education should also enhalt actual factory work - i agree!). so a more developed form of prussian schools. but this is, also, understandable (if you are not an idiot) because you have to construct socialism out of real existing things. you can't just imagine a new system ex nihilo.
and that's my main gripe with anarchist talking points like this (yes, talking about the 'end' of proletarian dictatorship (i.e. communism) and how 'that' would look like is anarchist because it's utopian) is that they contribute nothing to the real movement but just make it harder to make communism a mass movement by demanding that all members of the movement have an opinion on every retarded take you can think of.

>What we can now conjecture about the way in which sexual relations will be ordered after the impending overthrow of capitalist production is mainly of a negative character, limited for the most part to what will disappear. But what will there be new? That will be answered when a new generation has grown up: a generation of men who never in their lives have known what it is to buy a woman’s surrender with money or any other social instrument of power; a generation of women who have never known what it is to give themselves to a man from any other considerations than real love, or to refuse to give themselves to their lover from fear of the economic consequences. When these people are in the world, they will care precious little what anybody today thinks they ought to do; they will make their own practice and their corresponding public opinion about the practice of each individual –and that will be the end of it.

>>2289529
they hated anon because he called them out as the children they were

>>2292035
>schools elevate labour power (by not teaching anyone any skills)
does this also imply that immigrants cannot perform the labour fitted for people with over a decade of public schooling?
>medieval peasants couldnt perform contemporary wage slavery (like standing behind a desk)
>mass education
would you say the general population is "educated"?
>anarchism
i never mentioned anarchism, freud, foucault, postmodernism or abolishing the family - yet all these kneejerk terms were thrown out at me because i simply questioned the legitimacy of the contemporary school system (by even praising an aristocratic system of boarding schools). see the issue? everyone is so quick to defend the status quo yet are hesitant to criticise it. you are doing the same with this bullshit pragmatics.

>>2292063
>does this also imply that immigrants cannot perform the labour fitted for people with over a decade of public schooling?
what do you mean? there are immigrants and there are immigrants. those poorer, less educated emigrate (as labor power, towards where the actual wealth is) and then work in 'lower class' jobs (no education sans elementary) or turn to crime (as poor people tend to). those immigrants coming from a comprador bourgeois or petty bourgeois background are not going to be part of this part. see the issue with lumping people into categories which obsfucate class?
>would you say the general population is "educated"?
putting in under quotations makes it possible for you to continuously argue about the meaning of 'educated'. yes, the general population is more educated than the previous generations. yes, there are also more and more examples of bourgeois intellectuals mystifiying reality and selling crackpot education, but this is due to the system being in crisis
>i never mentioned anarchism
you don't have to, since honest communists can smell ideas stemming from petty bourgeois vagabundism.
>because i simply questioned
oh you poor you oh boo hoo you and your simple questions
get a grip
>everyone is so quick to defend the status quo yet are hesitant to criticise it. you are doing the same with this bullshit pragmatics.
socialism is built with real persons and real things already existing not with utopian ideas dreamt up by delusional anarchists. you can't even argue about the merit of this 'alternative schooling system' without, and let me put this very clearly, WITHOUT TAKING STATE POWER and actually PUTTING YOUR IDEAS INTO PRACTICE TO TEST THEIR VALIDITY. the prussian system produces educated workers quickly and efficiently. this will clearly be necessary under a proletarian dictatorship, in a worker's state, since you'll have to retrain thousands of technicians tied to dying industries (like oil) and you'll have to educate millions to upkeep and build green energy etc. the efficacy of the prussian system together with proletarian dictatorship (like in the ussr and china) has been historically proven to work and there's literally no reason to discover warm water all over again. once we actually get to the civilization level of the ussr (or near it) can we actually talk about new and improved things.

>>2292063
>>2292148
>the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class to win the battle of democracy
>the proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest,all capital from the bourgeoisiecentralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State
>the State i.e. the proletariat organised as the ruling class
>to increase the total of productive forces* as rapidly as possible
>in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property by means of measures which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which necessitate further (!!) inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.
>these measures will be different in different countries
>in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable
>…
>10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c
please read the the festo ;__;
*this does not mean heavy industry, read the the german ideology

>>2289386
It’s school but competent
Ok

>>2290763
It's a (literal) joke, don't take it seriously.

>>2290358
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You don't have schools in your country. You have no right to speak on the subject.

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>>2289380
>>2289476
Yes, not everything is learnt like fun and games and there has to be a standardized teaching curriculum irrespective of whether the child likes it or not. Grow up.
It's great to talk about making learning interesting etc etc but without some strict line of compulsion regarding certain subjects you'll just end up with retarded kids who can't read or do sums at the age of 10.

>>2290358
A lot of people here are mentally stuck in highschool and can't cope with the idea that schools are designed to do that. You try to raise serious qualms with school, bourgoise family structure, or anything else logistically involving children and they revert back to their discontent for not having the movie highschool experience^tm and make posts like this >>2289529 to extinguish the conversaion they aren't mentally prepped to process.

>>2293307
>A lot of people here are mentally stuck in highschool
As opposed to retards who think complaining about school is communism.

Unironically grow up. Communists are against giving anyone rights in the first place. But with children in particular it's because they lack the mental faculties (so do many adults but that's besides the point) to comprehend the consequences of their actions. They must be protected from themselves and others.

Before you reply with some shit about how this authoritarian and elitist, yes it is. Letting idiots (and children are idiots at least temporarily) exercise their own judgment results in such wonderful things as the antivax movement.

>>2293307
>>2290358
Also, calling school worse than jail is peak retardation.

>leftoid society mother
<no timmy, you cant stay home and play video games all day
>she was then put against a wall and shot by the peoples militia

>>2293313
>calling school worse than jail
<The bourgeois family–the family as it exists today–is creepy as fuck. Every parent I've known develops some bizarre predilection with their child's sexuality, which stems from a sense of ownership over the child. You don't "own" your child. You're mandated by state to raise them.
<The fact so many people view children as a burden is exactly why we need to annihilate the bourgeois family. And folks with kids don't feel any different, and they treat their kids accordingly. Raise kids in state-run boarding schools. Let people who like kids raise them.
No one cares which is "worse," using the badness levels of jail to defend how schools are right now is nonsense.

>>2293313
>>2293337 (me)
Oh it just occured to me you were talking about >>2290358 , don't know why you quoted me for that.

>>2293311
>As opposed to
Vibes and thing noticing
>Unironically grow up.
Criticizing load-bearing institutions required to keep society running is juvenile?
>Communists are against
Communism is a mode of production after socialism, schools will work different under socialism than under capitalism, and will work different under communism than under socialism, ad infinitum.
>Before you reply with some shit about how this authoritarian and elitist,
Ah, you're a recovering(?) anti-tankie redditor. Read Max Stirner and Marx.

>>2289341
You are trans

you just mad your parents don't love you

>let people who like kids raise them

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>>2293297
>please stop criticising school even though i cant make a list of its benefits
>>2292148
>what do you mean?
your claim is that 13 years of school raises the labour power of a nation by presumably teaching them skills. my claim is that school doesnt teach you skills, since immigrants can do most jobs in the west to the same rate that the natives can. you are then found in an error, where in fact, baseline labour power is not increased by education at all.
>yes, the general population is more educated than the previous generations
educated in what?
>oh you poor you oh boo hoo
thats a very odd response to my claim of questioning power. clearly you believe in a whiggish system of "progress" where things just get better on their own. thats why you dont want to disturb the plan.
>the prussian system produces educated workers quickly and efficiently.
if that were the case, it wouldnt take 13 years to create barely-literate citizens.
>ussr
the failed russian experiment?
>once more assuming im an anarchist
cite me where i criticise the idea of a state. you are just reactive, grasping onto explanations of how anyone could criticise the failing system of western capitalist schooling.


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