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Last night the Czech Parliament voted to legally equate Communism and Naziism and thus move it towards being a banned ideology. It needs approval in both the senate and to be signed by the president.

https://www.forum24.cz/komunismus-stejne-jako-nacismus-snemovna-schvalila-navrh-na-zakaz-propagace-komunismu

This needs to happen again

And yet everything is called Nazism these days and thus nothing is Nazism.

first they came for the communists

ok yeah whatever cool anyway here's the historical materialist party. our symbol is a wrench and a scythe

oh no our party is illegal now i guess we have no choice but to abandon communism go underground and do some red dead redemption type shit

>>2291832
>nazbol flag
lol

>>2291787
>Last night the Czech Parliament voted to legally equate Communism and Naziism and thus move it towards being a banned ideology.
The irony here is that they're 100% doing this for ethno-nationalist reasons. Anti-communist sentiment in the Butthurt Belt of Europe rests upon a foundation of ethno-nationalism, specifically the idea that the communist period was our glorious nation being humiliated and exploited by the vile, barbaric Russian Asiatics.

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Shame, they had a nice flag.

>>2291834
In all honesty, I'm surprised they're only doing it now because I've been to Prague about 5 times throughout the 2010s and every single time there was some kind of event or public demonstration seething about either specifically the Prague Spring or just its communist past in general, which tbh I took at the time as just impotent seething at the masses of Russian tourists I imagine Prague and the Czech economy make quite a bit of cash from.

Won't the EU step in - oh wait no they wouldn't with Ukraine.

>>2291839
They wouldn't anyway, EU trade laws specifically ban (or at least strongly discourage) the kind of nationalisation that an elected communist party would want to start off with, so even if they want to rhetorically claim they don't ban any specific kind of party, the reality is that they'd throw so much litigation at a communist party for breaching trade laws that they simply just wouldn't be able to do anything with their mandate, unless they also convince their electorate to leave the EU as well.

>>2291832
>countless injured
what do they mean countless? can i get an estimate? what is the highest number these mongs can count up to?

Watch. Czechia, Poland, the Baltic States etc. are all going to ban Communism and liberals will pretend it's a nothingburger.

>>2291821
Clearly, they came for the nazis first. It is the equation of communism with nazism that is the legal mechanism for it to be banned. If one thinks that nazism should be banned for being evil, why should communism not be banned?

>>2291988
Except, of course. Nazism isn't banned. Because Nazis are more than supportive of the current way Europe is going.

Czechia is one of the worst, most reactionary places I have ever had the displeasure to visit. Let's start with the culture. There is none. Besides a slew of Central European dishes, I have not once seen some sensible celbration of the Czech national culture. Nothing. All streets are filled to the brim with cars. There is constant noise, everywhere. Countless monuments to victims of communism. A thousand and one place to consume and nowhere to create.
I was there during the elections. Truly, had I not my communist instict then with me, I would not even have noticed the propaganda. Promotional material is well woven into commercials that you can't tell them apart. They are alcoholics. The people support Israel. Everything is payable. There is not a single faucet of Czech life that isn't monetized. The land is barren and boring and most everyone is a hickbilly. The language is disgusting, coming from another Slav. I hate the Czech 'cock-in-your-mouth' language. That's what they sound like.

They have taken every dimension of their existance from the Western European swamp and forget all the civility the Soviets tried to teach these animals. The Czechs, and Hungarians for that matter, are nations that deserve to be dismantled like Prussia.

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Communist Party support between 2002 and 2021

>>2292020
Seems like support reached its zenith in terms of percentage of the vote in 2013, but then in 2014 there was the coup in Kiev, annexation of Crimea and start of the Ukrainian Civil War that was all highly publicised and in Eastern Europe communism is always equated with Russia, so my armchair political analyst theory is
>Lots of hysteria about Russia invading Ukraine
>Plays into the existing narrative in the Czech Republic of Czechoslovakia being occupied by the Soviet Union (who are, for all intents and purposes, just Russians)
And therefore support for Communism is support for invaders and occupiers which is ironic for a nation that seems very proud of its current status as NATO members and supporters of US conflicts.

>>2292018
This but replace all mentions of Czechia with Poland.

>>2292048
Poland wants to ban a communist party with 300 members. The KSCM has 18,000 members. Poland is like Czech neolib anti-communism on steroids.

>>2291991
You don't support a movement by banning the parties and even their symbols. How many people have been arrested for displaying the sickle and hammer. If you think the EU is anti-communist now, wait until they not only ban the symbols of communism but the proxxy parties like Die Link as well

>>2292067
They're already banning the symbols. Several MEPs have been lobbying for it in the European parliament recently.
They'll ban the ML parties, then they'll accuse DemSocs of being ML too and ban them. Only neoliberals who pretend to be socdems, not even real socdems, will be allowed to exist.

>>2292071
>They're already banning the symbols.
They're not, why do choose to live in this fantasy?

>>2292071
and yet things will continue to get worse and people will notice. and eventually the anticommunists will be forced into a position where they either admit their political system is a failure, or they say that no, even neoliberalism is secretly communist somehow.

>>2292078
Neoliberalism will just mutate into a form of genuine class-collaborationist fascism. It is the only way to keep the system intact.

>>2292078
>>2292079
Telling yourself a story that sounds plausible to you, does not make it real. Stop being delusional. No communist parties or symbols are being banned

>>2292092
They already started banning them in Europe 15 years ago.

>>2291787
then call yourself a social democrat, that's what the bolsheviks did because communism was illegal
the only relevant piece of information here is that there are no left-wing parties in that parliament, for there not a single vote against. that's the actual problem, not a ban on a symbol or some neoliberal maneuver to reinforce their narrative

>>2292077
>>2292092
They are illegal in: Poland, the Baltics, Ukraine, Romania, Hungary, Albania, Georgia,

>>2292092
They already banned them in the butthurt belt, why are you lying?

>>2292095
>>2292099
>>2292102
It's banned in Latvia and Lithuania, but not as party symbols. It's a meaningless gesture to right-wing parties that isn't enforced. If the EU was cracking down on communism they would start with labeling antifa as a terrorist organization, banning communist parties and arresting communists. They would be thrown in jail like they Greece did with Golden Dawn. You're just pro-immigration activist who work for free

>>2292113
> If the EU was cracking down on communism they would start with labeling antifa as a terrorist organization, banning communist parties and arresting communists.
Ukraine did this already though.

>>2292113
Antifa isn't an organisation with a leading body you fool. What is this reactionary mindset?

>>2292113
The EU is legally establishing communism as equal to naziism, with the explicit aim to make laws regarding fascism apply to communism.
https://diem25.org/new-eu-resolution-how-anti-fascism-and-fascism-became-the-same-thing/

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total neolib destruction
total EU death

>>2292124
Meaning, they're not actually banning it. It's a meaningless inclusion to pacify right-wing parties. They're banning nazism, the inclusion of communist symbols is there to make the retarded evangelicals think this won't apply to them.

>>2292120
Neither is pro-white activism, yet it is still banned. This glib non-sense would not be a valid legal defense if the EU wanted to crack down on communism.

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It has been approved. Not a single vote against. Promoting communist "propaganda" is punishable in Czechia by up to 35 years in prison.
But sure, let this retard >>2292130 live in his dream world.

Just do what Nazis do and campaign for communist everything without using the name

>>2292133
Again, it's "banning" communism on the heels of banning nazism. Meaning, it's not going to be enforced. Czechs think communism is a proxxy for pro-Russian sentiment, which is that they are actually banning. Everyone knows this, and outside of this leftypol thread, people don't bother to pretend otherwise.

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>ban communism
You cannot ban an idea.
You cannot ban the class struggle.
You cannot ban the future.

Thinking that this means anything gives uneeded legitimacy to an illegitimate anti-communist system that can never be reformed but only toppled. To do so is peak liberalism.

so true friend, heil zelensky.

>>2292130
>Meaning, they're not actually banning it. It's a meaningless inclusion to pacify right-wing parties. They're banning nazism, the inclusion of communist symbols is there to make the retarded evangelicals think this won't apply to them.
The law would make it illegal to promote communist ideals or present symbols. It is what it says in the linked article.

>>2292130
>pro white activism
what do u mean pro white activism? Azov parades free in EU cities, in Britain and France the far right is on the verge of taking power and in Italy a neo fascist party is already in power. Notice how this nazi faggot invoke Golden Dawn which was in prison because they participated in human trafficking, illegal prostitution and racketeering. Outside of Germany that's how neo nazi orgs get banned, they usually ran afoul of the law by engaging in murder or cross border smuggling

>>2292150
They should just call it something else like empathyism which frees people from the rich lmao

neo nazis genuinely believe the neoliberals are somehow in league with communists

>>2292113
in many places in Europe the legislation against Nazi symbolism existed first before those got expanded to include leftish symbols decades later, symbolically representing the EU's rightward shift

>>2292153
and also the murder of Pavlos Fysass, Rest in Power

>>2292160
With the exception of Latvia, Lithuania, and Ukraine, communist symbols are not banned and in those they are banned as a proxxy for pro-Russia politics. It's not actually targeting communist, but Russians and sympathizers

>>2292141
sure buddy, like it's banned in the baltics and in ukraine, and you have hollywood movies glorifying nazis in the baltics and bandera as a national heroe.
you are a moron, a deserve to have your anus probed by a communist flag pole.

>>2292170
You "people" think there is no difference.

>>2292170
get enrolled for the next nazi glorifying movie in the Czech Republic. dimtwat.

>>2292172
You're a delusional idiot,

>>2292173
Clearly people know the difference. You're not worried about the state knowing you're a communist, but confusing you for someone who likes Putin or something. You need to be careful about watching clips where Tucker Carlson is included, the algorithm might think you have pro-Russia sympathies.

>>2292174
lol, you're one of those retards who thinks that any movie that doesn't kiss the USSRs ass is a pro-nazi movie

>>2292177
Europe is using the situation in Ukraine to clamp down on any and all anti-NATO, socialist and or communist rhetoric. If you don't believe this you are blind.
>any movie that doesn't kiss the USSRs ass is a pro-nazi movie
correct

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>>2292177
>that doesn't kiss the USSRs ass is a pro-nazi movie
literal nazi collaborators, you imbecile.
<Forest Brothers (movie)
https://archive.ph/NCVPq#selection-2205.63-2205.81
>Very few Latvians, Lithuanians, or Estonians chose to withdraw and fight for Stalin, but in a dark chapter of Baltic history, they fought in droves for the Nazis. Anti-Semitic militias quickly and aggressively rounded up the Jewish population for extermination.

>One of the most ruthless of these militias was the Latvian Arajs Kommando unit. In 1943, Germany formalized the alliance by forming Baltic fighters into Waffen SS troops. Latvia alone provided enough to man both the 15th and 19th Waffen SS divisions.


again, go enroll yourself for the next cast list candidates for the nazi movie in the Czech Republic.


don't forget the literal SS estonian movie

>>2292184
man, with these fucking radlibs:
>>2292172
>>2292177
>>2292141
>>2292130
deserve the gulag.

answer me, little cretin(s) I bet you are samefagging, how many "communist heroes" movies have been made or national heroes have been declared in these countries? in so far?

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Forever lmao'ing at all Slavic states who are still butthurt about being lifted into sentience by the USSR

What the fuck is happening in this thread, do we have a dedicated NAFO brigade now?

>>2292203
No, just reactionaries being reactionary.

>>2292179
>anti-NATO, socialist and or communist rhetoric
They aren't, all their propaganda is pro-mass immigration and anti-nationalist, with some anti-Trump stuff on either side.

>>2292182
Those militias were the only anti-communist forces they had. of course they are going to remove their actual ideology in the movies to "sanitize" them.


>>2292208
>communism is when mass immigration and self-hate

damn guess the class struggle is going to stop because they made it illegal

>>2292211
>implying there are anti-mass immigration communists
>implying there are communists who dislike the anti-white race hate of the EFF

>>2292218
>the EFF hate white people
proof?

>>2292218
>>2292211
>>2292208
communism is neither for or against immigration

Just don't use Soviet symbolism
Easy

>>2292125

Correct. Total death of "western civilization"

>>2292224
the czech communist parties symbol is a fucking pair of cherries that's not going to stop them from being purged

>>2292228
>a fucking pair of cherries
did they just choose it because its red

>>2291787
I hope this will radicalize Czechian communists into more determined action.

>>2292208
>of course they are going to remove their actual ideology
ooooh, ok, ok! I see, that justifies they promote nazi collaborators openly.
now, answer me how many pro-communists movies or national heroes with a sanitized face there are in these countries?

are we really this stupid?

Unfortunate. Jaroslav Hasek didn't die for this

>>2292235
>now, answer me how many pro-communists movies or national heroes with a sanitized face?
Plenty. The main focus of Hollywood movies is either to promote patriotism or Holocaust guilt. In the former the nazis are sanitized, in the latter communist are occasionally praised.

>>2292236
They're not promoting nazism yopu idiot, they're trying to create patriotic symbols for the EU because they don't have any. Using communist forces would put the heroes on the side of Russia in the eyes of most people, while using nazis is pro-Lithuanian or Latvian

>>2292242
So the EU are nazi apologists.

>>2292242
>Plenty.

NAME THEM
Protip, their bios in wikepedia must say they were communists.

>they're trying to create patriotic symbols for the EU because they don't have any.

oh, ok, so this "nationalism" is ok, despite they are being colonized by nato and the EU?
is also nato and the eu pro-nazi collaborators, too?

I want to repeat this:

Europe must be civilizationally annihilated. It is the most degenerate place on earth, save for its settler-colonial offshoots in North America.

Let them liberalize and privatize everything. It will be good when a large portion of their population is selling their organs or choking to death on their own vomit from drug overdoses.

Our job as communists is to profit off of their decadence and fund our movements in place that don't have anywhere near the same level of liberal and fascist mindvirus infections.

>>2292255
shut up yankee, post this again when you get some revolutionary potential

>>2292228
I think another symbol or name or colour can always picked
The real is issue is that you and me are in fucking eastern europe there every normie is a nazi

>>2292257

Hahaha I'm not a yankee. Είμαι Έλληνας.

Η Ευρώπη πρέπει να καεί, η Αμερική πρέπει να πεθάνει.

What was the quote from Zhukov? "We liberate Europe from fascism. The problem is, they will never forgive us for it.

Total death of "western civilization" ✅

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>>2292255
europe is irredeemable. no resources, no population and no future. it's only a matter of time before they return to the tried and true method of starting a global war when things get difficult

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>>2291787
>click on thread about Czechia
>it's full of posts about Baltics and "pro-white activism" or some shit
/leftypol/™

But anyway, let's clear this mess out. I don't know why OP uses Forum24, which considered to be just yellow press trash cheerleading for the government even here in Czechia.

The lower house of parliament voted on a reform of the penal code, not "the ban of communism".

Czech News Agency:
https://www.ceskenoviny.cz/zpravy/snemovna-schvalila-reformu-trestniho-prava/2664188
>Broader changes to criminal law, which were approved by the Chamber of Deputies today, should help reduce the number of prisoners, reduce recidivism and save the state budget. The government's amendment to the Criminal Code gives greater priority to alternative punishments, including fines, and partially decriminalizes some acts. Among other things, the Lower Chamber has relaxed the rules for growing and possessing cannabis, adjusted the rates for some cannabis offenses and allowed treatment with psilocybin. It has supplemented the draft with a so-called child certificate, which is to be valid for life.
(…)
>The Chamber of Deputies has clarified the definition of the crime of promoting a movement aimed at suppressing rights and freedoms in the amendment. According to the amendment by Martin Dlouhý (TOP 09), the law is to explicitly mention the Nazi and communist movements. The amendment is based on the call of memorial institutions to punish the promotion of communism in the same way as in the case of Nazism.

Here's how it will look like:
https://www.psp.cz/sqw/text/orig2.sqw?idd=252880

>It is proposed to amend Section 403, paragraph 1 of the Criminal Code. Current wording:


<§ 403

<Founding, supporting and promoting a movement aimed at suppressing human rights and freedoms
<(1) Whoever establishes, supports or promotes a movement that demonstrably aims at suppressing human rights and freedoms, or that promotes racial, ethnic, national, religious or class hatred or hatred towards another group of persons, shall be punished by imprisonment for one to five years.

>Modified text:


<§ 403

<Founding, supporting and promoting a movement aimed at suppressing human rights and freedoms
<(1) Whoever establishes, supports or promotes a Nazi, communist or other movement that demonstrably aims at suppressing human rights and freedoms, or that promotes racial, ethnic, national, religious or class hatred or hatred towards another group of persons, shall be punished by imprisonment for one to five years.

>Reasoning:

>In Czech society, there has still not been a proper reconciliation with the communist past in the field of criminal law. As follows, among other things, from the attached joint statement, there is an observable disproportion in society and in legal norms between the punishment of Nazism and the punishment of communism. The aim of this amendment is to correct this disproportion at least in part.

For 35 years our country has seen many anti-communist laws. Usually, they weren't very effective and were easy to bypass. Not sure about this one, though

>>2292264
>Total death of "western civilization" ✅
Based

>>2292542
>or promote class hatred
Sounds like ziggas will be ok

>>2292243
>So the EU are nazi apologists.
You're to dense to think, they don't have a patriotic figures connected to WW2 and they can't choose communists because that would be seen to side with Russia in the current year, so they have to pretend the nazis weren't nazis.

>>2292576
…so they're nazi apologists

bad idea

>>2292251
>oh, ok, so this "nationalism" is ok, despite they are being colonized by nato and the EU?
is also nato and the eu pro-nazi collaborators, too?
What do you mean by this?

>>2292580
That's not what apologist is, they are not trying to make nazism look good, they are trying to make the EU and NATO look like the patriotic alternative.

>>2292587
That is literally what apologism is. It is rationalising nazis and those who fought for the nazis.

One should understand that for Easter Europe using Soviet symbols is equivalent to advocating for Jim Crow laws in modern US - schizoid, extremely bad optics and also predominantly done by lumpen-nazies that wish to see the average modern leftist executed in the streets for intruding upon their rural shitholes social norms (usually in hopes that Stalin would put the pesky gays and European environmental regulators away).

But of course leftypol isn't ready for that discussion and just sees ideologies as shallow stickers, even if those stickers are paraded by Euro-version of John Birch Society types.

>>2291812
>1948 coup d'etat
yeah, there was one, a reactionary one and it failed, lol. everything the KSČ was legal. czechoslovak communists came to power legally, lol

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>>2292604
Wikipedia andy

>>2292599
My favorite type of retarded tankies are the ones who deny their own successes because they can't stomach them to match their ideal vision of the past. USSR did a masterful strategic move of couping or soft-couping all the post-WW2 free nations in the east via getting the USSR-aligned candidates grab the powerstructure ministries. Was it a piece of shit move? Yeah. Was it good politics? About as good as US destroying the entirety of Western European far-left in the cold war or genociding all of Indonesian communists. But its too yucky for you, so you'll just live in a fantasy land where people "just wanted communism that much"

>>2292018
thats funny i really liked czechia. they actually seemed far less butthurt anticommunist to me than polish or especially baltics. the red army cemetary in prague is well maintained and people lay flowers there regularly, theres still plaques commemorating red army liberation or random communist figures (like a random bust of founder of bulgarian cp) even around the busy tourist districts of prague. was able to talk politics politely about the socialist period with people in bars. ran into some real shameless reactionaries too, and the general sentiment around roma is disgusting. but all in all i did not get the sense that contemporary czech culture revolves around anticommunist butthurt to nearly the same extent as some of the other former east euro countries, so this news is surprising to me. maybe my impression was wrong, maybe the attitude is very different in rural areas as i only stayed in prague and pilsen.

>>2292599
>>2292604
>>2292617
Who gives a shit if it was "legal" or not? Laws are arbitrary and only exist to protect the authorities currently in place, they have little to nothing to do with morality. The October Revolution was by all accounts "illegal" yet I dont see anybody here complaining about that.

From what I've read it was technically a coup due to the fact that the primary method the communists used to wrest control from Benes and pals were police units, many of which were either infiltrated by or heavily sympathetic to the communist party. A rare case of the pigs not being reactionary, although they might have simply just seen where the wind was blowing and trying to get ahead of the curve.

>>2292593
You have a point, however, aren't you aware that psychopaths in Eastern-European media and institutions are just going to declare a "communist" everyone who is more left-wing than Nixon?

>>2292624
> very different in rural areas
AHAHAHHAH, you are so out-of-touch. The rural areas will be the places that simp for USSR the most due to a combination of "fuck EU regulations" and "them f*gs weren't so uppity back in mah day". Ostalgia is most predominantly a trait of reactionary retards.

>>2292042
>Seems like support reached its zenith in terms of percentage of the vote in 2013, but then in 2014 there was the coup in Kiev, annexation of Crimea and start of the Ukrainian Civil War that was all highly publicised and in Eastern Europe communism is always equated with Russia

wrong

it has nothing to do with Russia

there are two main reasons for this >>2292020 happening

1) old people nostalgic of socialism dying out
2) the rise of all-tent populist party ANO2011 of oligarch Babiš, and the anti-imigrant party SPD (yes, that's the nationalist party led by literal japanese)

All KSČM did was empty populist sloganeering for people who just wanted the communist social policies back. The party was always full of red-liberals and red-reactionaries. Marxism? Leninism? They didn't care.

So when the new parties with far better marketing strategies appeared they were completely unprepared and couldn't offer anything new, or different and lost a mass of voters.

>>2292619

Based & realpolitikpilled.

I often say I make no excuses for our overwhelming loss in the late 80s.

We lost precisely because we were not the totalitarian monsters the west claimed us to be.

Next time we have to go full Judeobolshevik Asiatic Hordes led by a Great Red Khan that abolishes all freedom forever.

>>2292631

Sounds like an easy base. I mean fuck the eu is already KKE approved praxis.

All we have to do is add that its true fags are gay and fuck around too much publically?

The nazification of Europe continues
also just change the names around

>France and Spain has a bigger chance of becoming communist than former-communist nations.

>>2292651
It'd real nice if they have a successfull socialist revolution right around the same moment half of their populations becames Arab.

>>2292631
okay yes i am out of touch about a country and region i am not from that is true and i did not claim otherwise. and yes based on communist party of russia that makes sense as they seem to largely be nostalgic conservatives and nationalists, but i did not know if that was similar among czechs.

>>2292660
>trotskyist uses far right talking points
like clockwork

>>2292661
Its similar across the whole region. Just look at AfD.

>>2292649
True to an extent, but remember that you'd be leftist nerd competing against Johnny K-word-sayer, the lovable country bumpkin domestic antisemite that vibes with these lumpen rubes on a far more spiritual level, while also being far more societally disruptive, hence getting the all-important offshore funding from, *akhem*, third parties interested in regional instability.

>>2292640
Ok maybe I can see USSR surviving if it went full-Juche, but then consider - what the fuck do you actually want to achieve, what is your horizon? Is it just nihilistic "anything beats this", or do you want a decent alternative?

>>2292599
*everything the KSČ did
>>2292604
retard

reactionary ministers tried to resign which they hoped will push Beneš to create a caretaker government which they would control. But they didn't have the majority of the government, so Beneš just asked Gottwald to replace them, lol.

>>2292626
>Who gives a shit if it was "legal" or not?
me

because I care about historical facts. sure, we should not care much about our actions being legal or not under the capitalist system, but that's a matter of a different discussion.

>From what I've read it was technically a coup due to the fact that the primary method the communists used to wrest control from Benes and pals were police units

But that's probably wrong as well, I've never seen a single piece of evidence for "communists taking over the police force". Reactionaries were just butthurt that their people in the police who were suspected in collaboration with nazis got replaced by a communist minister, so they started fear-mongering.

>>2292662
But… I think half of "Western Roman" Europe becaming Black or Arab would be actually a good thing. A perfect reparation for colonialism.

>>2292683
Also, for example, Ho Shi Min wouldn't have became Ho Shi Min if he hadn't studied in France.

>>2292683
>far right talking point but with "it's a good thing" spin

>>2292683
>u see, we'd use the colonialism to beat the colonialism
<turn europe into a reactionary crapsack like what the US did with the middle east
the absolute state of trots

>>2292683
majority of those migrants are due to imperialism in the first place ya fucking retard. some "reperations", oh boy my country is ravaged by extractive industries if not outright proxy war, this is great because now i can leave my home and go to france if im not sold into slavery in libya on the way there

>inb4 a caste of opportunistic brain drain migrants somehow contradicts this overall tendency

>>2292683
common Trot L

>>2292672

On your first point, don't get me wrong, I was being facetious. I don't hold much hope at all for socialism in Europe; Its mostly a cesspool of reactoids & liberals of various flavours.



As to your second point.

The production and reproduction of human life is my foundational ethical concern. The USSR surviving certainly the death rate from exploding and the birth from collapsing in the 90s (especially if it avoids the kosygin reforms). Ironically or not, in practice this means a lot of people alive today simply need to be killed.

And yes I do indeed sympathize with the DPRK; Though I worry to what extent its economy is kosygin-libermanized, on the whole it is the least degenerate of the remaining officially declared socialist countries.

And yes this does express itself socio-culturally: Lgbt doesn't exist there conceptually for the majority, so its both impossible to be a faggot hating obsessed reactoid and a sex obsessed parade consuming liberal pervert.

>>2292701

*certainly prevents
*especially if earlier it avoids the kosygin reforms, which being totalitarian (ie. moving towards planned economy & society) would imly

>>2292227
when you've given up on revolution and just want ebin bebenge

>>2292721

A socialist revolution of sufficient scale worldwide logically implies the destruction of western civilization (since its very basis the individual, private property, etc.)

Even materially: I often say to my comrades in West Africa if a substantial portion of the continent was united under socialist government this would seriously hamper western economies in the medium/long run, because they would their financial, technological, skill based & natural resource oligopolistic rents.

>>2292737
No it means the destruction of western imperialism and capitalism and all forms of exploitation, not your dogmatic ultra cultural war view.

>>2292743

>it means the destruction of western imperialism and capitalism […]


Ie. The destruction of the material basis of western civilization, which leads to…

The destruction of western civilization. ✅

>>2292747
Then what you are referring to is not "western civilisation" but western imperialism. And by extension all capitalist societies. Capitalism rots away culture, neoliberalism especially has rotted away the proletarian attributes of culture.

>>2292753

Is it really just a mere semantic disagreement though?

Where did capitalism & liberalism originate? What is the ideological superstructure and material basis of western civilization?

Its quite obvious I am not referring to cultural things; Blue cheese, opera, odin worship, etc. are not the target when I use the term "western civilization"

Hot take: The actual Western civilisation is Middle East/Mediaterran/Balkans (as opposed to Eastern civilisation centered in China and Central civilisation centered in Indus alley). Europe is just an overgrown scavenger that eventually turned into a parasite.

>>2292776

Interesting thesis for a Trot.

Call it what you want. "Occidental civilization" or whatever.

>>2292771
This is all true but you have stated that the Europeans deserve mass devastation due to the nature of the system they live under. Now, European economic collapse is inevitable due to the conditions of capitalism, but their reactionary thought will collapse when these capitalism inevitably devours itself.

>>2292624
i never said it was explictly anticommunist. it's just extremely capitalist and bourgeois.

>>2291833
GANG GANG

>>2292785
W H I T E J U C H E

>>2292784
oh, thats true. but im coming from the US which is far worse in that regard in every way.

The elections in Poland seem to be going in the direction of the far-right. Polish communists are next on the menu.

>>2292737
>I AGREE WITH GVNTHER FEHLINGER!!! DESTROY ALL WESTOID PUBLIC TRANSIT NOW
<sounds like you just want revenge
>umm no actually western civilization is individualistic and upholds private property, this is is why I want the remaining public transit privatized
?????

>>2292783

Eh… maybe this is a "liquidation of the kulaks" kind of phrasing issue.

End of the day, people who live in Europe will be devastated when western civilization is destroyed, even if not a single one of them dies as a result, because they will no longer be who they were, fundamentally.

That said I do thing the reactionary mentality will remain for a little while after. There is usually a lag in changes in consciousness.

>>2292815
was this no different to imperial russia in the early days of the revolution? the popular masses will achieve class consciousness, those who retain reactionary politics will either fizzle out, become educated or be cast out.

>>2292809

It accelerated their decline & thus weakens them geopolitically, yes. Plus its what they themselves believe is ideal at the highest levels, at least in theory.

Why not use it to our benefit in whatever modest ways we can?

>>2292819

Could be. Just don't expect anything instantaneous.

Also: beware the reemergence of petty bourg. views in new forms.

>>2292824
Whose "we"? Stop being an accelerationist.

>>2292828

I mean the global communist movement, generally speaking.

And what exactly is the problem with the strategy of taking advantage of "acceleration" (ie. decline/decadence/degeneration). Trying to stop it, particularly in the imperial core, is a phantasmagorically monumental opportunity cost.

>>2292834
Because socialism is not when we make the proletariat worse off

>>2292737
>western civilization (since its very basis the individual, private property, etc.)
PragerU moment

western civilization is when john adams

>>2292836

Didn't say it was. Non-sequitur.

Look, its really this simple: If as a hypothetical, the bourgeoisie, petty bourg. & labour aristocrats decide to legalize heroin, we should to sell it to them, full stop.

Revolutionary organizations need funding, and it cost less than 75$ usd a month to fund the full time wages of a shop floor African worker.

>>2292848

*That's less than 75 usd to have a full time cadre working for a party or related mass organization.

>>2292542
so the same thing basically has been going on across the Slav world, that promoted nazism, disguising it with the ban of communism.

>>2292593
>>2292619
>>2292631
>>2292672

and quoting everyone who engages with that moron:
>>2292701
>>2292649
>>2292661
>>2292629
>>2292640

ignore, don't engage.



today, I have to remind once again:

>>2291812
Why is it called a coup when it was in self defense??

>>2291816
Or maybe in a present context where fascism is everywhere, "everything" being called fascism (note: this doesn't actually happen) is warranted.

>>2292588
It's "rationalising" nazis, it's hiding that they were nazis. Also, apologizing in the context means to argue in favour directly or indirectly. You don't know what apologia is, nor what rationalizing means, you have no coherent thoughts about anything.

>>2292986
seethe, i miss him and he's better than many retards, yourself included

>>2291832
This ^ Western communists should stop being impotent moralists and start robbing banks again.

>>2292018
>I have not once seen some sensible celbration of the Czech national culture.
Wrong! They have this annual celebration, where they let drunk pedos beat the shit out of young girls.
Very normal country.

>>2293459
seething? no sweetie, I am waiting for the like of you and him to again say that the CIA is da jooz for the ML in the context of CIA evidence meddling in the ukr nazism formation, through operation aerodynamic so I can laugh at (You) when you get banned.
because that's what you get for being a radlib.

>czech gang bang

>>2293488
maybe engels had a point

I hate czechs so much it's unreal

>>2293484
>This ^ Western communists should stop being impotent moralists and start robbing banks again.
Ok, I agree. But you first.

>>2291787
I mean, I know this isnt a good or productive thing to think, but sometimes I feel like people deserve their fate.

>>2293488
Not gonna watch the breadtube-tier crap you posted, lol

I don't know where are you taking the bullshit about pedos. Because the target population of this Easter Whip tradition are kids/youngsters. Young boys are visiting girls to whip them, so they stay forever young or some shit. (It has some pagan roots, I suppose) And after that they receive some treats. (often colored boiled eggs). The "whipping" is not supposed to be painful or humiliating but of course, it depends on a person doing it.

There is another custom, that is often completely omitted noawadays - after noon it's girls' turn - and they on their part are supposed to pour cold water over men so they stay strong.

It's true, however, that grown up men often also participate in the whipping, which often results in a cringe shitshow. (Considering that a grown up man often doesn't receive sweets or eggs as a treat but a shot of some hard liquor.)

Personally, I've never participated in this even as a kid, because a) the only thing I care about easter are the holidays, I am an atheist, b) I hate the boiled eggs, they stink like shit, c) I am a sort of antisocial fuck, so these kind of traditions make me cringe

>>2293488
fam, ngl, that video seems the anecdote of a person that appeals to emotions, rather to reality.
I'd rather hear a panel of experts showing concrete evidence of this being a torture that degrades women rather just some lib that posts content of how horrible their motherland is in a plain English to bamboozle libs in the west.

>>2293488
Oh look, a self-colonizing liberal branding her own culture as evil based anecdotal experiences and by applying modern views of relations between genders on a several centuries old tradition.

The event exists in every V4 country with several variations. Sticks might be made of different, lighter material (Poland) or not be there at all and only the dousing women with cold water part exists (Slovakia, Hungary). Or both parts exist, but it's the men who are to be doused with in retaliation spanking (seems to be a Czech regional variation). And obviously it isn't required for women to be hurt. Even if that does happen a lot of the time. But why can't the tradition be reformed? Why does it have to banished entirely? Considering that at least here in Hungary a much more sanitized version has already appeared several generations ago where in the coreography of
>man approaches the woman with a poem
>man douses the woman with water
>woman gives the man painted eggs as a reward
cold water has already been replaced with parfume. This shouldn't a surprise when communism has already achieved almost everything in terms of women's rights by integrating women into the workforce, so if it was really nothing but abuse, then why did women let it continue to this day?

If you think about what event could've meant a century ago, it's obvious that this was nothing more than a matchmaking event. It takes places on Easter Monday. People already went to church on Sunday, but they still have one church-issued holiday before everyone goes back to work. This is when people from a cluster of villages met up in one place and tried to look for a partner. That's really it.

Personally I've only practiced the sanitized version, and even that one was mostly forced on me by parents. The practice slowly dwindled as the years went on which came as a relief because I didn't want to visit female classmates for any reason whatsoever. Note that I come from an urban area this might be different in more rural areas.


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