Last night the Czech Parliament voted to legally equate Communism and Naziism and thus move it towards being a banned ideology. It needs approval in both the senate and to be signed by the president.
https://www.forum24.cz/komunismus-stejne-jako-nacismus-snemovna-schvalila-navrh-na-zakaz-propagace-komunismu>>2292020Seems like support reached its zenith in terms of percentage of the vote in 2013, but then in 2014 there was the coup in Kiev, annexation of Crimea and start of the Ukrainian Civil War that was all highly publicised and in Eastern Europe communism is always equated with Russia, so my armchair political analyst theory is
>Lots of hysteria about Russia invading Ukraine>Plays into the existing narrative in the Czech Republic of Czechoslovakia being occupied by the Soviet Union (who are, for all intents and purposes, just Russians)And therefore support for Communism is support for invaders and occupiers which is ironic for a nation that seems very proud of its current status as NATO members and supporters of US conflicts.
>>2292067They're already banning the symbols. Several MEPs have been lobbying for it in the European parliament recently.
They'll ban the ML parties, then they'll accuse DemSocs of being ML too and ban them. Only neoliberals who pretend to be socdems, not even real socdems, will be allowed to exist.
>>2291787then call yourself a social democrat, that's what the bolsheviks did because communism was illegal
the only relevant piece of information here is that there are no left-wing parties in that parliament, for there not a single vote against. that's the actual problem, not a ban on a symbol or some neoliberal maneuver to reinforce their narrative
>>2292124Meaning, they're not actually banning it. It's a meaningless inclusion to pacify right-wing parties. They're banning nazism, the inclusion of communist symbols is there to make the retarded evangelicals think this won't apply to them.
>>2292120Neither is pro-white activism, yet it is still banned. This glib non-sense would not be a valid legal defense if the EU wanted to crack down on communism.
It has been approved. Not a single vote against. Promoting communist "propaganda" is punishable in Czechia by up to 35 years in prison.
But sure, let this retard
>>2292130 live in his dream world.
>>2292141sure buddy, like it's banned in the baltics and in ukraine, and you have hollywood movies glorifying nazis in the baltics and bandera as a national heroe.
you are a moron, a deserve to have your anus probed by a communist flag pole.
>>2292172You're a delusional idiot,
>>2292173Clearly people know the difference. You're not worried about the state knowing you're a communist, but confusing you for someone who likes Putin or something. You need to be careful about watching clips where Tucker Carlson is included, the algorithm might think you have pro-Russia sympathies.
>>2292174lol, you're one of those retards who thinks that any movie that doesn't kiss the USSRs ass is a pro-nazi movie
>>2292177Europe is using the situation in Ukraine to clamp down on any and all anti-NATO, socialist and or communist rhetoric. If you don't believe this you are blind.
>any movie that doesn't kiss the USSRs ass is a pro-nazi moviecorrect
>>2292177>that doesn't kiss the USSRs ass is a pro-nazi movieliteral nazi collaborators, you imbecile.
<Forest Brothers (movie)https://archive.ph/NCVPq#selection-2205.63-2205.81>Very few Latvians, Lithuanians, or Estonians chose to withdraw and fight for Stalin, but in a dark chapter of Baltic history, they fought in droves for the Nazis. Anti-Semitic militias quickly and aggressively rounded up the Jewish population for extermination.
>One of the most ruthless of these militias was the Latvian Arajs Kommando unit. In 1943, Germany formalized the alliance by forming Baltic fighters into Waffen SS troops. Latvia alone provided enough to man both the 15th and 19th Waffen SS divisions.again, go enroll yourself for the next cast list candidates for the nazi movie in the Czech Republic.
>>2292184man, with these fucking radlibs:
>>2292172>>2292177>>2292141>>2292130deserve the gulag.
answer me, little cretin(s)
I bet you are samefagging, how many "communist heroes" movies have been made or national heroes have been declared in these countries? in so far?
>>2292179>anti-NATO, socialist and or communist rhetoricThey aren't, all their propaganda is pro-mass immigration and anti-nationalist, with some anti-Trump stuff on either side.
>>2292182Those militias were the only anti-communist forces they had. of course they are going to remove their actual ideology in the movies to "sanitize" them.
>>2292208>of course they are going to remove their actual ideologyooooh, ok, ok! I see, that justifies they promote nazi collaborators openly.
now, answer me how many pro-communists movies or national heroes with a sanitized face there are in these countries?
are we really this stupid?
>>2292235>now, answer me how many pro-communists movies or national heroes with a sanitized face?Plenty. The main focus of Hollywood movies is either to promote patriotism or Holocaust guilt. In the former the nazis are sanitized, in the latter communist are occasionally praised.
>>2292236They're not promoting nazism yopu idiot, they're trying to create patriotic symbols for the EU because they don't have any. Using communist forces would put the heroes on the side of Russia in the eyes of most people, while using nazis is pro-Lithuanian or Latvian
>>2292242>Plenty. NAME THEMProtip, their bios in wikepedia must say they were communists.
>they're trying to create patriotic symbols for the EU because they don't have any.oh, ok, so this "nationalism" is ok, despite they are being colonized by nato and the EU?
is also nato and the eu pro-nazi collaborators, too?
>>2292228I think another symbol or name or colour can always picked
The real is issue is that you and me are in fucking eastern europe there every normie is a nazi
>>2292257Hahaha I'm not a yankee. Είμαι Έλληνας.
Η Ευρώπη πρέπει να καεί, η Αμερική πρέπει να πεθάνει.
What was the quote from Zhukov? "We liberate Europe from fascism. The problem is, they will never forgive us for it.
Total death of "western civilization" ✅
>>2291787>click on thread about Czechia>it's full of posts about Baltics and "pro-white activism" or some shit/leftypol/™
But anyway, let's clear this mess out. I don't know why OP uses Forum24, which considered to be just yellow press trash cheerleading for the government even here in Czechia.
The lower house of parliament voted on a reform of the penal code, not "the ban of communism".
Czech News Agency:
https://www.ceskenoviny.cz/zpravy/snemovna-schvalila-reformu-trestniho-prava/2664188>Broader changes to criminal law, which were approved by the Chamber of Deputies today, should help reduce the number of prisoners, reduce recidivism and save the state budget. The government's amendment to the Criminal Code gives greater priority to alternative punishments, including fines, and partially decriminalizes some acts. Among other things, the Lower Chamber has relaxed the rules for growing and possessing cannabis, adjusted the rates for some cannabis offenses and allowed treatment with psilocybin. It has supplemented the draft with a so-called child certificate, which is to be valid for life.(…)
>The Chamber of Deputies has clarified the definition of the crime of promoting a movement aimed at suppressing rights and freedoms in the amendment. According to the amendment by Martin Dlouhý (TOP 09), the law is to explicitly mention the Nazi and communist movements. The amendment is based on the call of memorial institutions to punish the promotion of communism in the same way as in the case of Nazism.Here's how it will look like:
https://www.psp.cz/sqw/text/orig2.sqw?idd=252880
>It is proposed to amend Section 403, paragraph 1 of the Criminal Code. Current wording:
<§ 403<Founding, supporting and promoting a movement aimed at suppressing human rights and freedoms<(1) Whoever establishes, supports or promotes a movement that demonstrably aims at suppressing human rights and freedoms, or that promotes racial, ethnic, national, religious or class hatred or hatred towards another group of persons, shall be punished by imprisonment for one to five years.
>Modified text:
<§ 403<Founding, supporting and promoting a movement aimed at suppressing human rights and freedoms<(1) Whoever establishes, supports or promotes a Nazi, communist or other movement that demonstrably aims at suppressing human rights and freedoms, or that promotes racial, ethnic, national, religious or class hatred or hatred towards another group of persons, shall be punished by imprisonment for one to five years.
>Reasoning:>In Czech society, there has still not been a proper reconciliation with the communist past in the field of criminal law. As follows, among other things, from the attached joint statement, there is an observable disproportion in society and in legal norms between the punishment of Nazism and the punishment of communism. The aim of this amendment is to correct this disproportion at least in part.For 35 years our country has seen many anti-communist laws. Usually, they weren't very effective and were easy to bypass. Not sure about this one, though
>>2292251>oh, ok, so this "nationalism" is ok, despite they are being colonized by nato and the EU?is also nato and the eu pro-nazi collaborators, too?
What do you mean by this?
>>2292599>>2292604>>2292617Who gives a shit if it was "legal" or not? Laws are arbitrary and only exist to protect the authorities currently in place, they have little to nothing to do with morality. The October Revolution was by all accounts "illegal" yet I dont see anybody here complaining about that.
From what I've read it was technically a coup due to the fact that the primary method the communists used to wrest control from Benes and pals were police units, many of which were either infiltrated by or heavily sympathetic to the communist party. A rare case of the pigs not being reactionary, although they might have simply just seen where the wind was blowing and trying to get ahead of the curve.
>>2292042>Seems like support reached its zenith in terms of percentage of the vote in 2013, but then in 2014 there was the coup in Kiev, annexation of Crimea and start of the Ukrainian Civil War that was all highly publicised and in Eastern Europe communism is always equated with Russiawrong
it has nothing to do with Russia
there are two main reasons for this
>>2292020 happening
1) old people nostalgic of socialism dying out
2) the rise of all-tent populist party ANO2011 of oligarch Babiš, and the anti-imigrant party SPD (yes, that's the nationalist party led by literal japanese)
All KSČM did was empty populist sloganeering for people who just wanted the communist social policies back. The party was always full of red-liberals and red-reactionaries. Marxism? Leninism? They didn't care.
So when the new parties with far better marketing strategies appeared they were completely unprepared and couldn't offer anything new, or different and lost a mass of voters.
>>2292619Based & realpolitikpilled.
I often say I make no excuses for our overwhelming loss in the late 80s.
We lost precisely because we were not the totalitarian monsters the west claimed us to be.
Next time we have to go full Judeobolshevik Asiatic Hordes led by a Great Red Khan that abolishes all freedom forever.
>>2292631Sounds like an easy base. I mean fuck the eu is already KKE approved praxis.
All we have to do is add that its true fags are gay and fuck around too much publically?
>>2292661Its similar across the whole region. Just look at AfD.
>>2292649True to an extent, but remember that you'd be leftist nerd competing against Johnny K-word-sayer, the lovable country bumpkin domestic antisemite that vibes with these lumpen rubes on a far more spiritual level, while also being far more societally disruptive, hence getting the all-important offshore funding from, *akhem*, third parties interested in regional instability.
>>2292640Ok maybe I can see USSR surviving if it went full-Juche, but then consider - what the fuck do you actually want to achieve, what is your horizon? Is it just nihilistic "anything beats this", or do you want a decent alternative?
>>2292599*everything the KSČ did
>>2292604retard
reactionary ministers tried to resign which they hoped will push Beneš to create a caretaker government which they would control. But they didn't have the majority of the government, so Beneš just asked Gottwald to replace them, lol.
>>2292626>Who gives a shit if it was "legal" or not?me
because I care about historical facts. sure, we should not care much about our actions being legal or not under the capitalist system, but that's a matter of a different discussion.
>From what I've read it was technically a coup due to the fact that the primary method the communists used to wrest control from Benes and pals were police unitsBut that's probably wrong as well, I've never seen a single piece of evidence for "communists taking over the police force". Reactionaries were just butthurt that their people in the police who were suspected in collaboration with nazis got replaced by a communist minister, so they started fear-mongering.
>>2292672On your first point, don't get me wrong, I was being facetious. I don't hold much hope at all for socialism in Europe; Its mostly a cesspool of reactoids & liberals of various flavours.
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As to your second point.
The production and reproduction of human life is my foundational ethical concern. The USSR surviving certainly the death rate from exploding and the birth from collapsing in the 90s (especially if it avoids the kosygin reforms). Ironically or not, in practice this means a lot of people alive today simply need to be killed.
And yes I do indeed sympathize with the DPRK; Though I worry to what extent its economy is kosygin-libermanized, on the whole it is the least degenerate of the remaining officially declared socialist countries.
And yes this does express itself socio-culturally: Lgbt doesn't exist there conceptually for the majority, so its both impossible to be a faggot hating obsessed reactoid and a sex obsessed parade consuming liberal pervert.
>>2292701*certainly prevents
*especially if earlier it avoids the kosygin reforms, which being totalitarian (ie. moving towards planned economy & society) would imly
>>2292721A socialist revolution of sufficient scale worldwide logically implies the destruction of western civilization (since its very basis the individual, private property, etc.)
Even materially: I often say to my comrades in West Africa if a substantial portion of the continent was united under socialist government this would seriously hamper western economies in the medium/long run, because they would their financial, technological, skill based & natural resource oligopolistic rents.
>>2292743
>it means the destruction of western imperialism and capitalism […]Ie. The destruction of the material basis of western civilization, which leads to…
The destruction of western civilization. ✅
>>2292753Is it really just a mere semantic disagreement though?
Where did capitalism & liberalism originate? What is the ideological superstructure and material basis of western civilization?
Its quite obvious I am not referring to cultural things; Blue cheese, opera, odin worship, etc. are not the target when I use the term "western civilization"
>>2292776Interesting thesis for a Trot.
Call it what you want. "Occidental civilization" or whatever.
>>2292783Eh… maybe this is a "liquidation of the kulaks" kind of phrasing issue.
End of the day, people who live in Europe will be devastated when western civilization is destroyed, even if not a single one of them dies as a result, because they will no longer be who they were, fundamentally.
That said I do thing the reactionary mentality will remain for a little while after. There is usually a lag in changes in consciousness.
>>2292809It accelerated their decline & thus weakens them geopolitically, yes. Plus its what they themselves believe is ideal at the highest levels, at least in theory.
Why not use it to our benefit in whatever modest ways we can?
>>2292819Could be. Just don't expect anything instantaneous.
Also: beware the reemergence of petty bourg. views in new forms.
>>2292828I mean the global communist movement, generally speaking.
And what exactly is the problem with the strategy of taking advantage of "acceleration" (ie. decline/decadence/degeneration). Trying to stop it, particularly in the imperial core, is a phantasmagorically monumental opportunity cost.
>>2292836Didn't say it was. Non-sequitur.
Look, its really this simple: If as a hypothetical, the bourgeoisie, petty bourg. & labour aristocrats decide to legalize heroin, we should to sell it to them, full stop.
Revolutionary organizations need funding, and it cost less than 75$ usd a month to fund the full time wages of a shop floor African worker.
>>2292593>>2292619>>2292631>>2292672and quoting everyone who engages with that moron:
>>2292701>>2292649>>2292661>>2292629>>2292640ignore, don't engage.
today, I have to remind once again:
>>2292018>I have not once seen some sensible celbration of the Czech national culture.Wrong! They have this annual celebration, where they let drunk pedos beat the shit out of young girls.
Very normal country.
>>2293459seething? no sweetie, I am waiting for the like of you and him to again say that
the CIA is da jooz for the ML in the context of CIA evidence meddling in the ukr nazism formation, through operation aerodynamic so I can laugh at (You) when you get banned.
because that's what you get for being a radlib.
>>2293488Not gonna watch the breadtube-tier crap you posted, lol
I don't know where are you taking the bullshit about pedos. Because the target population of this Easter Whip tradition are kids/youngsters. Young boys are visiting girls to whip them, so they stay forever young or some shit. (It has some pagan roots, I suppose) And after that they receive some treats. (often colored boiled eggs). The "whipping" is not supposed to be painful or humiliating but of course, it depends on a person doing it.
There is another custom, that is often completely omitted noawadays - after noon it's girls' turn - and they on their part are supposed to pour cold water over men so they stay strong.
It's true, however, that grown up men often also participate in the whipping, which often results in a cringe shitshow. (Considering that a grown up man often doesn't receive sweets or eggs as a treat but a shot of some hard liquor.)
Personally, I've never participated in this even as a kid, because a) the only thing I care about easter are the holidays, I am an atheist, b) I hate the boiled eggs, they stink like shit, c) I am a sort of antisocial fuck, so these kind of traditions make me cringe
>>2293488fam, ngl, that video seems the anecdote of a person that appeals to emotions, rather to reality.
I'd rather hear a panel of experts showing concrete evidence of this being a torture that degrades women rather just some lib that posts content of how horrible their motherland is in a plain English to bamboozle libs in the west.
>>2293488Oh look, a self-colonizing liberal branding her own culture as evil based anecdotal experiences and by applying modern views of relations between genders on a several centuries old tradition.
The event exists in every V4 country with several variations. Sticks might be made of different, lighter material (Poland) or not be there at all and only the dousing women with cold water part exists (Slovakia, Hungary). Or both parts exist, but it's the men who are to be doused with in retaliation spanking (seems to be a Czech regional variation). And obviously it isn't required for women to be hurt. Even if that does happen a lot of the time. But why can't the tradition be reformed? Why does it have to banished entirely? Considering that at least here in Hungary a much more sanitized version has already appeared several generations ago where in the coreography of
>man approaches the woman with a poem>man douses the woman with water>woman gives the man painted eggs as a rewardcold water has already been replaced with parfume. This shouldn't a surprise when communism has already achieved almost everything in terms of women's rights by integrating women into the workforce, so if it was really nothing but abuse, then why did women let it continue to this day?
If you think about what event could've meant a century ago, it's obvious that this was nothing more than a matchmaking event. It takes places on Easter Monday. People already went to church on Sunday, but they still have one church-issued holiday before everyone goes back to work. This is when people from a cluster of villages met up in one place and tried to look for a partner. That's really it.
Personally I've only practiced the sanitized version, and even that one was mostly forced on me by parents. The practice slowly dwindled as the years went on which came as a relief because I didn't want to visit female classmates for any reason whatsoever. Note that I come from an urban area this might be different in more rural areas.
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