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>>2302757 >>2303951*sent to work camp for 40 years*
uh oh
>>2303958Maybe we could petition China for support, communist solidarity and all that
Ahahah…ahah…yeah no
These riots are NOT about ICE, they’re about keeping America in NATO.
For the past seven months the deep state has been trying to foment an American Years of Lead, identical to what happened in Italy and Jamaica in the 1970s. They want to see American society be plunged into political chaos, confusion and mass destruction. This will cause the Trump Administration to destabilize and will ensure the Democrats win big in 2028, hence America stays in NATO and the Malthusian abortion lobby is able to keep reducing the human population.
Several events that have happened over the past seven months, such as the killing of the healthcare CEO, the multiple assassination attempts on Trump, violent Palestine protests, the Tesla burnings, violent attacks on right-wing activists, Governor Shapiro’s mansion being arsoned, the murder of two Israeli embassy workers and now the mass riots against ICE in LA are all a part of this grander scheme. It’s all about using sporadic acts of political violence with the intent of destabilizing America, creating an environment of chaos and confusion and seeing Trump’s attempts at having America leave NATO crumble. We also see fighting within the ruling class, as Trump wants to privilege ICE while dismantling the FBI while the deep state wants to maintain the FBI but has little interest in ICE.
DON’T FALL FOR IT. We do NOT need sporadic political violence but a PEACEFUL TRANSITION to an anti-imperialist government. DO NOT GLORIFY THESE PRO-NATO RIOTS. Don’t be surprised if you see liberals showing up to these riots holding Ukrainian flags. That’s the main agenda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qda4JY36BBA>>2303978"the killing of the healthcare CEO, the multiple assassination attempts on Trump, violent Palestine protests, the Tesla burnings, violent attacks on right-wing activists, Governor Shapiro’s mansion being arsoned"
You mentioned these things like it's a bad thing, only right wingers are pissed of by those things
>>2303967>the Malthusian abortion lobbyevery Z post is a false flag.
see how the completely reasonable position of opposing NATO is turned into this WEIRD FUCKING REACTIONARY BULLSHIT
>>2304041Wss about to post this
What does "liberate" even mean here? What will the admin consider success?
Doesn’t it feel like we’re being occupied—maybe even invaded—by the regime's forces? By ICE and similar goon sourcing orgs like the National Guard? Doesn’t it seem like the regime is deliberately escalating violence, hoping for a violent response so they can justify even more repression?
Picture this: You’re just sitting at brunch with your girlfriend, enjoying a normal day in America. Then, out of nowhere, 12 to 20 heavily armed, masked ICE agents storm the restaurant. Flashbangs go off. Screams. "Everybody up! Immigration enforcement!" as they storm the restaurant in full military gear. How long until they are trained to shoot to kill while doing these raids in our communities?
Imagine this: You’re at your child’s fifth-grade graduation, a proud moment. Your family’s been in America since the gold rush, 1865 at least. Grandparents, great-grandparents, all American. You’re there with grandma, ready to cheer, take photos, celebrate. Then, armed ICE agents in tactical gear storm in, no badge numbers, no remorse. They rip kids off the stage, arrest families, beat people in front of children, you're children aren't "illegals" but they still lose their graduation. This isn’t about immigration—it’s about destroying communities, ramping up violence, and enforcing cruelty to sow chaos.
These ain't isolated incidents—it's happening in cities across the country. Consistently, and with actions escalating every day. Each raid more violent than the last. Blackhawk helicopters unloading muntions that would be used on who? Doesn’t that strike you as completely outrageous?
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>LA PRIDE 2025 JUNE 8th. A military Blackhawk helicopter is unloading dozens of boxes of weapons and ammunition in Los Angeles "as if they were getting ready for a major battle."
This affects entire communities, not just undocumented immigrants. Your family might have been here 150 years, but your kids’ caregivers or coworkers could be undocumented. Some of the hardest-working people in this country are undocumented. Solidarity belongs with working-class people, not with those who decide who’s "illegal" to enrich themselves. They’d label you illegal if it lined their pocketbooks.
Let’s cut back to the George Floyd protests. Washington, DC was a rowdy, rowdy place. Instead of using the DC National Guard, the Trump administration sourced National Guard members from Utah to police DC. Why? The DC Guard, likely majority people of color and from the community, might share kinship with protestors. This is colonial occupation strategy 101: never let enforcers identify with the policed. Deploying external forces from Utah signals a lack of confidence in internal cohesion.
The decision to bring in outside forces during the D.C. protests suggests the regime questioned whether the local Guard would comply. It admits the possibility that class or racial solidarity could override orders—that some members of the regime's army would defect if ordered to kill protestors in their own communities. If the powers that be had to consider that their own troops might side with protestors, it shows their system’s ideological control is thinning. When the ruling class doubts its soldiers loyalty, it reveals a structural weakness. That weakness, is our resistance. Our communities and our solidarity are their biggest fear.
To me, it’s obvious: The regime wants chaos. They want tension. They want militarized police on every street, in every city. Those quiet brunches, those peaceful days out, those elementary school graduations—they’re coming to an end, whether we like it or not. The regime isn’t just allowing violence; they’re forcing it into our streets by turning them into occupied territory.
The reality is the regime is operating in a way that will almost ensure martial law gets enacted in the near-term future—or that mass protests erupt because of the regime's actions, which then lets them enact martial law or worse. That's the regime's goal. The regime wants these exact actions they're taking. They want the raids. They want the militarized police. They want the armored vehicles and the flashbangs and the mobs of newly recruited officers and the National Guard people.
This crackdown has three goals: First, to harm undocumented people, especially people of color. Second, to sow chaos and fracture communities, turning us against each other. Third, to create an underclass Americans won’t defend. When Trump says immigrants can’t be truckers, and truckers cheer because it means less competition, that’s how they break solidarity. That’s how they divide the working class by creating an permanent, just like they did with slavery, the prison industrial complex and now with immigration.
They want all of that on the streets, in the cities, to make you feel like you have to respond. The regime is doing everything it can to create the conditions for violence. The regime is the one occupying our streets. The regime is the one sending in military weapons, helicopters, munitions and preparing for war against us. The regime is the one killing us in our streets. The regime is the one doing the no-knock raids. The regime is the one abducting children, separating them from their families. The regime is the one flash banging restaurants and abducting people on the streets as they just try to enjoy their day.
>Ask yourself, has deploying the marines on American Soil against American citizens in American neighborhoods ever been a reasonable suggestion?
The regime wants you to accept that their violence is normal, natural, and there's nothing that can be done. They want it to become part of the day-to-day. "Oh yeah, sure, there's US Marines on the streets of LA. Yeah, there's militarized ICE members on every corner. That's just part of life in America now."
Will we accept that? I sincerely doubt it. We're entering the cool zone. And it has nothing to do with what we're pushing and everything to do with what they're forcing upon us. You don't build the terrain, you navigate it.
This isn’t about immigration. This is domestic counterinsurgency against a population not yet in open revolt. It's preemptive occupation. And their greatest weapon is the illusion that it’s too late to resist.
>>2303941>I know there’s the myth of the chud military but I think they’re far more split than the police and intelligence agencies.>>2303956>It's because national guardsman are more often than not regular people living normal lives with 9-5 jobs. Milley said an interesting thing about the National Guard here.
>>2303967>the deep state has been trying to foment an American Years of Lead … They want to see American society be plunged into political chaos, confusion and mass destruction. This will cause the Trump Administration to destabilize and will ensure the Democrats win big You. Will. COPE. This is all your precious "anti-imperialist" Trump administration's doing. They're the ones sending ICE agents in milsurp into L.A. to stage high-profile raids. For whatever reason, they believe they get some benefit out of intensifying polarization and divide-and-rule tactics.
>>2304079if that's how you justify it
>>2304082America must be destabilized, who cares how its done
>>2304113Conservatives are don quixote, chasing the windmills forever and creating their own problems.
This WILL escalate and radicalize people on an unprecedented level.
Fascists are too retarded to govern.
>>2304048So these are the internally colonized POC I always hear about…
>>2304059Lumpen riots are signals that the Bread and Circus is failing. They require actual man power to deal with draining the imperial coffers. Gives revolutionaries more options and opportunities and breaks down the current order. Riots can lead to revolution if taken advantage correctly. Crying about it doesn't change the fact of its existence.
>>2304112I don't think they're really so frightened. It's more of a political strategy by Trump and his people. The glowfag anon is doing a kind of "limited hangout" IMO by laying out a narrative that powerful forces in American politics are deliberately stoking social tensions, but he's trying to misdirect people away from Trump who is the one actually doing it with highly-visible ICE raids in blue cities.
This sort of rule is about constructing an "us vs. them" binary to maintain the loyalty of his supporters.
At the same time, I think Trump and his people want to encourage adventurism and "lone wolf" actions. They want opposition but they want to crack and disorient it, so it's a disorganized, impulsive, overly-emotional and rash opposition. They like to play the angles like that.
>>2304147I'm annoyed because it encourages retards like you to say stupid shit like this. This is class based repression you dumb fucker. Whether or not ice is targeting a particular section of it
right now is irrelevant because the overall intent is to inflict oppression on the entire working class regardless of race. Particularizing what we're seeing as being something inflicted on a discrete population for imaginary characteristics like their Hispanicness depreciates the primacy of class and encourages defective, race and ethnicity based analysis.
>>2304206happenings are a slow burn, a slow process. It starts slow and then it finally happens.
Many unbelievers here didnt think that was the case. Their denial was always foolish.
>>2304216so it wasn't an IDF ship?
they're literally less than a day away from the gaza strip
>>2304229sure it is
passing a law banning masks at protests will "fizzle" out, babes, that's the tea
>>2304243>>2304227 (me)
Huh, way to make me eat my words, lol.
>>2304266you do see Puerto Ricans mad
have you seen how fucking looted that place has become by venture crypto capitalists?
>>2304181>this is typically created by exploiting racial differencesIs it globally typical? White Britain exploited Irish, white Europe exploits white Slavs, brown Indians exploit the brown Dalit, etc.
When it comes to capitalism racial analysis often fails because for most of history people exploited people of their same race.
>>23042891. who's the current president?
>trump2. is he a democrat or a republican?
>republican3. are you a retarded liar?
>yes >>2304301the ship that intercepted them was not IDF
but they have means to believe they might be legitimately taken prisoner tonight
>>2304218They haven't entered the blockade zone yet. Sounds like a warning. (That didn't stop them from boarding the Mavi Marmara in international waters though.)
>>2304302If it's not IDF then who was it
>>2304303so you agree that this
<imperialist hegemony is exclusively a Democrat problemwas a lie?
>>2304339Oh, the gusanos?
I don't care about fat middle class people.
>>2304171>I'm so tired(KKK Karen sighing)
>Whether or not ice is targeting a particular section of it right now is irrelevant"The primary victim of nazis were Germans, not Jews you woke idpol imbecile" Pretentious armchair socialist philosophers are never going to escape their reputation for having their head up their ass
>>2304261>they've blocked a motorway<Los Angeles traffic jamhow would you know the difference?
>>2304360I think he seems like one of the more normal and more masculine rightoids actually. He does look pretty soy in just stills tho. But I mean compared to like Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, I don't know who else they got.
I could see Walsh as like a normal media person on any random channel.
>>2304363>"The primary victim of nazis were Germans, not Jews you woke idpol imbecile" The Nazi party was waging war on the working class, and part of its method for doing so was particularizing its attacks to certain sections of it. That "first they came for" poem illustrates how the mentality of focusing on those particularized aspects obfuscated the overall nature of that conflict until it finally caught up with them.
You ignorant liberal dipshit.
Anti-ICE rioters in Los Angeles are being organized by the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles (CHIRLA).
CHIRLA is funded by ActBlue.
https://x.com/nataliegwinters/status/1931685349803139308This is 100% a psy-op.
>>2304426I wouldn't say it's a nothingburger. vidrel.
it´s just that it is not spread across all Cal. like it was in 2020. just massive large marches localized in one point.
>>2304455>Their SOS is live. It's official, they've been captured.Ugh, I guess it was a rebranding rather than martyrdom.
I wonder how Greta's new character will evolve, considering her financial backers are at best liberal Zionists and, in any case, NATO aligned in the cold war. Which makes Israel untouchable.
Will she tone it down to a "two state solution"?
>>2304485YEAH BABY
SOROSBUCKS IS BACK ON THE MENU
and some more.
>>2304499then the account that shared the video lied, because it related the video with the marches today.
>>2304482She can't do JustStopOil stuff anymore because all her sugar daddies love war now. And greenwashing imperialism is just not viable when China is by far the greatest supplier of renewable tech and at the forefront of implementing it.
So unfortunately for Greta, it's quit a PR pickle going for Palestine. Sure, it will work now, at the peak of the genocide because all the western powers other than the USA (and Israel itself) want to wash their hands off the genocide. But sooner or later she will have to commit.
And let me tell you, the paths that keep her a career activist PMC are not anti-zionist at all.
fuck israel, man
>>2304514the ship she was on literally had a demsoc flag flying onboard, shut up moron
>>2304519that mentality is something I disdain from ultras
trots don't even act like that
>>2304499>god american football chants are shitNot American enough. Needs more barking. Arf! Arf!
>>2304524>is that a long-range acoustic device?Looks like one.
>>2304532americans and football don't mix, unfortunately
too much of a proletarian sport
>>2304598>revolutionary optimismgay af
>>2304599if you are only in it for the spectacle and nothing else then the post is not about you
>>2304605yea lmao
>>2304604thats common practice tbh, remember the palestine protests a few months ago?
>>2304610if there was any real left in america they would be escalating until the pigs opened fire.
>>2304604https://wiki.w9cr.net/images/2/27/Counter_Sniper_Guide.pdfdo something about it.
>>2304635lol youre closer to /pol/tards with your hyperfocus on a single person instead of the countless anonymous supporters of palestine
>>2304637>le masses rhetoricyup its all libshit here
>>2304598>revolutionary optimismone of the most retarded phrases ever thrust upon the Socialist movement in recent years. Optimism is the vice of the reformist, who does not see the path toward deliverance to be narrowly conditioned.
"The optimist in politics is an inconstant and even dangerous man, because he takes no account of the great difficulties presented by his projects; these projects seem to him to possess a force of their own which tends to bring about their realization all the more easily as, in his opinion, they are destined to produce more happiness."
"The pessimist regards social conditions as forming a system bound together by an iron law which cannot be evaded, as something in the form of one block, and which can only disappear through a catastrophe which involves the whole. If this theory is admitted, it then becomes absurd to attribute the evils from which society suffers to a few wicked men; the pessimist is not subject to the bloodthirsty follies of the optimist driven mad by the unforeseen obstacles that his projects meet; he does not dream of bringing about the happiness of future generations by slaughtering existing egoists."
>>2304614I want American Tiananmen Square
I want an ICE truck running over people in the streets live on stream
I want the America Federal government delegitimized
Let the bourgeois world order die already
>>2304660>>2304662>everyone i dont like is the same personlol take your meds loser
sorry i called out your obsession with great men of history, exactly the same shit zionists do hyperfocusing on greta or whoever is the newest flavor of the month to discredit the whole palestinian movement
>>2304668Oh you dishonest prick. you wouldn't say the same when they parade Jackson Hinkle around Yemen or Lebanon.
Because you know that Hinkle is just a paid for tool, with a paid for PR department. Same for Greta.
>>2304637>You sound like a zigger. Are you one?stfu.
t. a regular ukraine thread poster.
>>2304664I want some MAGAtard vigilante losing the plot and shooting a random innocent in the head in public
I want to see the American government doing all the heinous shit it accuses "regimes" of doing
I want to see NATO dissolve from popular opposition and sanctions against the United States
>>2304709Why? Do you remember that MAGAtard who killed a random hobo with a samurai sword? No one does but me.
Holy shit how am I not finding this by google. Help me out here y'all. I remember it as NY, White guy in a Tyvek coverall killed some random homeless dude with a samurai sword.
>>2304701on point. not only that, it seems to me that the guys in the Flotilla are based activists, not obsessed with the "reeeee free ukraine" bs.
it's a shame there's little of that nowadays.
>>2304725One of the guys on the flotallia literally traveled to attend nasrallah funeral
That is liberal to you?
>>2304729Jackson Hinkle did that as well, and got all chummy with the houthis, the actual organization. As well as praised by Hizbollah attendees at the funeral.
Would you say Jackson Hinkle is NOT a liberal?
>>2304719>>2304727>jackson traveled by bus from his home in Baltimore, Maryland to New York City on March 17 with the intention of killing black men in order to prevent white women from having interracial relationships with them, according to reports. He stayed at the Hotel Times Square on West 46th Street. On March 20, Jackson allegedly walked up to Caughman with an 18-inch sword and stabbed him to death in the Hell's Kitchen neighborhood. Jackson turned himself in to police on March 22. According to police, Jackson told them that he planned to attack more black men in Times Square.ah, yes, I remember. 4chan memes exploded with sojaks the day he confessed everything and stated his mission.
>>2304729the fuck told you I said Greta or the activists are liberals?
>>2304733I am not even going to sit there and counter signal Jackson hinkle it is so pointless to do. Guy is posting his own shit to millions of people in support of Palestine it is still better than Zionist spanning to kill all gazans.
There is other people worth my time more than that. It is pathetic to me to sit there dedicating yourself to insulting and raging at the singular flotallia that travels to Gaza while people around the Arab world give them praise and are not angry over it at all
Go be angry at people who support Israel. Greta is not the problem here nor anyone on that boat. It makes no sense to get so angry over them when there are millions of people literally shitting on Palestinians everyday
>>2304744Why is a fascist using a popular issue to gain even more support a good thing?
Lib brained fucktard
>>2304754Because it creates more support for Palestine you dumbass. It's a country to all the Zionist reporters shitting on Palestinians all day long. Anyone speaking up for them is a positive.
Go ask people in the Arab world or Palestinians they will agree. It's only people like you doing this stupid purity test getting angry at people posting statements in support of them instead of getting angry at people who literally say they want them all killed
>>2304759> Because it creates more support for Palestine you dumbassHoly fuck you’re a retard
No you mind warped dumbass, Jackson Hinkle is a nobody outside leftoid circles, he’s not boosting a popular issue because he never had a large audience, he’s gaining an audience by posting about a popular issue, so that even more people can get warped into his hitlerite conception of “socialism”
Jesus fuck the people here are dumb
Stop thinking about the morality of it all for once and consider the effects of empowering people you claim to oppose
>>2304764I am not thinking about morality whatsoever I am thinking about people making positive statements and people reading it. I will go against people who actually say Palestinians should die as there is millions of them all over
I am not going to waste my time insulting people who post in support of them. Palestinians would not waste their time insulting people who post support of them nor would people in the Arab world
It is literally only people like you who get mad and insult the single flotallia going to this place or get mad at people with large accounts posting pro Palestine stuff. It's such a waste of your energy.
>>2304750I am not. Greta is factually not a socialist and has factually spent most of her life, adult and child as a shill for greenwashed liberalism.
Even now under the cold war, her principles have been put to the test and she has found nothing to protest in the militarism beyond tokenly meeting Zelenskyy and joining the EU in pretending that "war" was a 2022 Russian invention. And greenwashing the self sanctioning of the EU with regards to Russia. She could have gone much much harder, even if it's against Russia, which is afterall the aggressor in her western frame of reference.
But she did not, presumably , and note here is my opinion being inserted, because her sponsors actually love the war and an anti-war stance is just not acceptable no matter which side is taken. Same for the doubling, tripling (quadrupling? more?) of the EU military budget. Those are very pressing issues that go squarely against the proliferation of fossil fuel usage that she has spent her entire fucking life on. But again… not a word.
Greta, regardless of how much agency she possesses, is at best a tool of neoliberalism IMO. And this, is a rebranding exercise because as stated previously, greenwashing western imperialism is no longer feasible.
>>2304769>Damn dude this Palestine business sure is bad!*Gains 1M followers for obvious statement during time when obvious statement is obvious
<“All true communist patriots would know to stand with President Trump to fulfill his mandate given to him by the American Worker to get all the terrorists and criminals poisoning the blood of Volksgemeinschaft and rioting on our streets and attacking our valiant patriotic police forces out of the country and back where they belong and break the anglo-zionist parasitic financial stranglehold over American politics and finally freeing the American nation and people once and for all!”Ah but you see it’s a good thing that 1M idiots will now here the bottom statement because America’s quirkiest little Hitler said an obvious statement that was obvious at a time when only people with the staunchest commitment to Israel and Zionism would refuse to say the obvious statement
>>2304779I guess I really believe in psychic energy like that example I used where perhaps aura was used correctly:
>>2304778>someone filming a random dude at a crosswalk from like the 20th floor and then he just turns and stares directly into the camera. Otherwise it seems like stupid shit trying to get in on a meme who have literally no clue what it should mean.
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