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>>2306136 >>2306967fuck it, one struggle
we can talk about cuba later
>>2307014capitalism is liberal
conservatism is liberal
duginism is liberal
>>2307045The reason Carl's work is read and appreciated isn't because he is a Nazi. It is despite that he was able to articulate legal theories well and put out writings that can teach you quite a few things. This isn't like randomly thinking main Kampf is good
Have you ever actually read Carl's work?
>>2307039The Mexican Immigrants are men with nothing left to lose. Trump is itching to deport them, so they're going to use all they've got to fight back.
I'm still skeptical if this riot will lead/result in anything.
>>2307054Sanders understands that the more you lose the more socialistic you are. If you ever win, that's like "authoritarian" and bad.
Bernie is a lifelong, professional heel afterall.
>>2307063this is some real retarded memecommunist "i learn theory from video games" shit. the real movement refers to communism being proletarian association itself and not some faraway ideal society
>>2307074>escalate this quicklytheres protests every fucking year in burgerland
>>2307047>Have you ever actually read Carl's work?I haven't but I corresponded with someone who studied under Schmitt scholars who went to China to attend some of those conferences and he gave me a rundown about why he caught their interest. It's kind of complicated and actually occurred when China was opening up and experimenting with liberalism in some ways, and the way I heard it explained to me, they were interested in exploring liberalism, as Schmitt is talking about liberalism, and also doesn't write about liberalism in a way that essentially indicts illiberal forms of government as a negative comparisaon (because he was a Nazi, but I don't think that's strictly relevant).
One of the core things in Schmitt for example is the "state of exception," which is when the "sovereign" suspends the law to protect the state, which is the highest priority. But Schmitt also sees this existing within liberal and nominally "democratic" systems. It does provide a theoretical rationale for a relatively authoritarian state. There were some other things too but I have to go dig up the correspondence.
I don't know what Dugin's fascination with him is.
>>2307080damnn dat's craazy
How do they plan to counter Drumpf's obscure "Nobody will stop me" loophole?
>>2307123chud control of the media is an objective fact.
legacy media all pivoted towards the "center"
elon controls twitter, zuck controls like the rest of social media, google (which means search, youtube…) has bent the knee, tiktok struck a deal with the administration. If they want the protests to fuck off they can just weak the algo to supress. You don't grasp how fucked things are
We're the biggest leftist space that is independent and we get like 100 people a /USApol/ thread.
>>2307106>>2307123>>2307136i know i shouldnt expect better from this shithole but stop pretending whatever social media circle you waste your time on represents real life
>>2307144reducing left wing to just mean communism is so useless you end up with these retarded conclusions
>>2307141well get there when we get there
>>2307146Real talk, how much better would things have been had he survived?
Would his version of Reconstruction been more radical or would he have gone through with that whole "send them back to Africa" plan?
>>2307156anime profile pic is confusing liberalism with leftism.
He thinks the DNC is socialist lol
>>2307177Things are escalating so quickly, jesus.
I know the whole "it's a le distraction!!!" talking point is tiresome and dumb but I do have to wonder if this massive overreaction is an attempt to get past the whole "Elon called Trump a pedophile" story.
>>2307182That and learning lessons from Israel's treatment of Palestinians.
IDF trains US police and works closely with the US military.
>>2307170I bet if I joined the PSL and was a well read Marxist who could cite theory on the post, give lectures on various theorist without needing any planning for an hour straight but I disliked black people or was really against transgenderism they would push hard to get me kicked out
But if I was super pro trans and wanted to go to BLM protest but said AOC is what true socialism is they would support me
>>2307185Trump has done so much illegal shit with zero pushback.
Until a judge has the balls to arrest him and his underlings it doesn't matter what illegal shit Trump does.
We live in a clown country where the poor are brutalized and the rich and powerful can do whatever they want.
This is the goofiest military takeover ever.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/california/article/national-guard-california-photos-20368334.php<‘Wildly underprepared’: National Guard troops seen sleeping on floors in exclusive photos>President Donald Trump’s rush to deploy California National Guard troops to Los Angeles has left dozens of soldiers without adequate sleeping arrangements, forced to pack together in one or more federal buildings, resting on the floors of what appear to be basements or loading docks, the Chronicle has learned.>The state troops federalized by the Trump administration over the weekend to confront immigration protesters, without the approval of Gov. Gavin Newsom, were “wildly underprepared,” said a person directly involved with the deployment, who asked to remain anonymous because they were not authorized to speak on the issue.>The troops — whose makeshift quarters are shown in photographs exclusively obtained by the Chronicle — arrived without federal funding for food, water, fuel, equipment or lodging, said the source, who was granted confidentiality under Chronicle policies. This person said state officials and the California National Guard were not to blame.>“This is what happens when the president and (Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth) demand the National Guard state assets deploy immediately with no plan in place … (and) no federal funding available for food, water, fuel and lodging,” the source said. “This is really the failure of the federal government. If you’re going to federalize these troops, then take care of them.”>>2307214The IDF will have to deploy to stand in a circle around Gal Godot's star before leveling most of Hollywood Blvd.
>>2307218I'm not a PSL member but I somehow doubt they would go to bat for AOC from what I know about them. You're tilting at windmills.
>>2307240same.
im not a fan of his but his stream has the best footage of the protest
>>2306982no, retard
also they weren't ""left communists""
>>2306971LOL
The only humanitarian thing the IDF has ever done
>>2307277>try not using what was linked>>2307272yeah, but freetube works
no sound, but idk if on yt it has sound
>>2307244we're past the deadline and so far only someone threw a bottle at the cops, no reaction. the guy who threw a bottle got reprimanded by the organizers
>>2307246twitch.tv/hasanabi
>>2307289Accurate,
This is how /leftypol/ should handle them
>>2307269The third world bourgeoisie never got a break from a constant proletarian threat, so they understand that the class war is real and are ready to make concessions when it gets too heated.
In comparison, the US enjoyed a placated proletariat for the past 30 or so years, so the US bourgeoisie is full of failsons that throw tantrums at the smallest demonstrations, as can be seen with the current overreaction, the Marines for a small riot, lmao. It will escalate from here on out, all of it caused by their own stupidity.
>>2307297christ
rightoids really are just dumb cattle huh
>>2307269you're being a willfully ignorant doomer if you don't see how many different things are conspiring together right now to force things further left. we already saw all this shit happen in 2020 and it was even bigger then, but it fizzled out and accomplished nothing because it happened towards the end of Trump's first term and the Dems had a window to step in after people really desperately wanted things to go back to normal. Biden won, he pretty much entirely fumbled the bag and the Dems have only become even more out of touch and irrelevant since 2020 to the point that they couldn't even give a meaningless symbolic acknowledgement of a fucking genocide that has been extensively publicly visible.
now shit is popping off again this early into Trump's second term and the whole year the Dems have been completely burying whatever goodwill they may have still had with their constituents by doing absolutely nothing and actively trying to cater to the mythical centrist fencesitter voter. there is no controlled opposition right now to recuperate what's happening and it's only going to continue to build up.
>>2306970>Funds the Mujahideen never happened.
at best they financed the Maoists inside Afghanistan.
>Funds the Monarchists in Nepalwhat monarchy? the one that ended its existence in 2008?
gee I wonder what factors caused the end of the monarchy in 2008 and the arrive of a socialist party.
>Funds Pinochetists in ChileNAME ONE SINGLE BUILDING, BRIDGE, PORT, OR HOUSE BUILT BY THE CHINESE>Funds Contras in NicaraguaNAME ONE SINGLE CONTRA CELL OPENLY STATING THEY RECEIVED SUPPORT FROM CHINA>>2306972>le China funds israelyeah buddy, israel existence is fully dependent of what China does.
you two will never be communists.
>>2307297I mean… do it.
Like no seriously, first world countries would literally collapse overnight if such a measure were implemented.
>>2307312It's because the military sells their surplus to the police.
That's a big reason the police in the US is so over the top compared to other liberal democracies, they want an excuse to use their toys.
>>2307319He's a retard who harps on and on about equality and democracy for starters, lol. The second biggest red flag is believing the reason communism hasn't happened yet is because of fucking computers.
Concerning yourself with the calculation problem at all is evidence of being an academic completely out of touch with the proletarian movement, but what else can you expect from some wealthy engineer really?
>>2307334Sorry I'm not a loser middle classer refreshing a thread every 5 seconds, faglord.
>implying anarchismMajor retardation.
>>2307339I'm not even joking when I say that Vance probably wrote this.
We know that Elon posts on /pol/.
>>2307297yes please
Im sick and tired of seeing all my educated skilled friends moving to USA, Canada, Australia and UK
My country literally gives sons and daughters of workers free education and healthcare only for the fuckers to go suck whitoid cock in their twenties and come back only when they're 60 years old in order to horde property and cash in the old age pension
>>2307335>>2307311lmao you cant measure left-right shit
police have been troglodytes since they got invented, why the fuck would their actions lead us to da revolushun now of all times?
>>2307347you have no idea what you are trying to connect to there with Cockshott.
the fact you are butthurt because Cockshott sees through your radlibery idpol hurts you?
aw, gu-gu ga-ga baby must voot for kamala.
>>2307360>>2307362communism, or "proletarian association" relies on continuously expanding science and technology, which dislodges non-materialist ways of thinking and doing. Dialectical materialism = the ever-growing scope of science.
You talk of 'proletarian association' as if workers are magicians who will hold hands and figure things out through the power of love. You are a prime example of a humanities-educated dimwit who acts all snobbish in front of STEM Gods.
>>2307327Not just bout labor distribution or black market. Most first world countries have terrible worker reproduction problems. They'd probably wouldn't be able to afford most of the socdem concessions without a constant influx of tax paying migrants. Without taxing the wealthy more, or reducing profits, but that's not happening ever.
And the dependency they create on third world countries, through remittances is also an important factor that would go away. It's not just people seeking better lives for themselves or fleeing the consequences of imperialism. A big incentive is that, once you migrate you can send, even if you barely survive at the rich country, the money back and that money is of a much higher value at home. Some states live off remittances.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/05/by-looking-to-tax-remittances-us-escalates-its-economic-war-against-its-own-backyard.html >>2307345>He's a retard who harps on and on about equality and democracyHe proposes different labor vouchers pay based on individual worker productivity.
He talks about direct democracy as a necessary political form of a socialist economy because all electoral systems are populated by an aristocracy that would benefit from a return to capitalist relations. This is what happened in the USSR.
>The second biggest red flag is believing the reason communism hasn't happened yet is because of fucking computers.The lack of information technology made soviet planning more difficult. Many of these challenges are trivialized by modern computers.
>Concerning yourself with the calculation problem at all is evidence of being an academic completely out of touch with the proletarian movementRigorous rebuttals of run-of-the-mill anti-socialist cliches are a good thing.
>but what else can you expect from some wealthy engineer really?Cockshott is a proponent of the liquidation of capitalists and landlords as a class, and gives concrete steps on how to achieve this. This is what you can expect from him, because he's based.
>>2307374all researchers are not communists, but all researchers contribute to the advent of communism, yes.
The forefathers of Marx and Lenin are Darwin and Newton.
>>2307399>Soviet Union collapsed because they failed to export the revolution on an international level + a bureauKKKrat revisionist class eating itself and the country for Western buxdirect result of not enough computer
this is well known
>>2307399>export revolutiontypical burgoid retardation
no one can export revolution you moron. People of Morocco will have to undergo their own revolution. No one will ship it to them.
>>2307414They aren't the majority though.
Never have been.
The issue is that the majority is largely indifferent.
>>2307427how is one country exporting revolution to other countries a global revolution?
how do you know masses of other countries will welcome it? Will it not move masses towards the reactionaries who will use this 'export' as a 'foreign occupier' boogeyman?
you are a retard
>>2307458the continuous and never ending expansion of science does not mean that the conditions of communism are not here and we have to wait for it.
You have misunderstood my post and you are replying to a claim I never made in the first place
>>2307472>cockshott>bloggerso retarded
just say you're mald over idpol and move on, please
>>2307476>destinynot beating the lib allegations
>>2307481leftcoms arent a thing
>>2307472please learn computational mathematics first and then try to shit on cockshott.
The man knows more than 10 000 like you will ever know.
>>2307493that's not..
this fucking thread. fucking burgs.
>>2307512> getting people to build on his workyou do understand Paul's work is not some pet project you can tinker with on Sunday right?
How are you expecting his work to be applied in current conditions exactly?
>>2307541uhh I dont follow you here
you want Paul to do a thorough examination of what exactly?
His examinations on economics and planning are very thorough imo .
And just a question in good faith, have you studied linear algebra?
>>2307540*penectomy
you get a two-in-one for the price of one .38 round!
>>2307559oh ok
this is why it would be nice if you studied mathematics and computing and understood and criticised his theories by yourself.
You can't always have other people doing the heavy lifting for you.
>>2307571that dude is really retarded lol
Why did AOC not endorse Cockshott's research lmao
>>2307536>people act as if total nuclear war will end LITERALLY everything, > if you live in a town relatively out of site of nuclear fallout (which is most people btw due to thermonuclear bombs being the standard) it'll be total dogshit to live in Generation Z morons are like "I found out today that Angela Davis was a fictional character, I actually know the truth unlike you sheeple who believe their lies! 😏"
>>2307539>destiny is some idealist obscurantist nonsenseLiberals always naturalize the current state of things as axiomatic laws of the universe, like "black people have more heart disease"
In fact, Black Americans are forced into living in toxic segregated areas of industrial pollution that cause them to have more health problems. I'm sure you can also find Palestinian children who "naturally have more asthma" (because of their segregated housing under the apartheid state that forces them into nazi ghettos filled with cancerous chemicals in their water and air and food)
>>2307589it's not about STEM vs Humanities
STEMbros can be chudlords I know. It's just that there cannot be a communist movement without people strong in maths and natural sciences. Yeeting religion and idealist 'philosophy' in favour of hard sciences IS materialism.
>>2307604go read Marx and Lenin
one does not come to leftypol for education
>>2307608academics contend with Cockshott all the time
What do you mean by 'academia'? The bougies at MIT and Harvard who suck cocks of Silicon Valley sugar daddies?
>>2307579I was pretty young when wonder woman came out, all I remember was wanting to wife her
>she served in the idfAnd she can be rehabilitated
>>2307431>the extremely fucking obvious divide and conquer tactics the only divide and conquer shit is idpol, you radlibshit.
>to pit gay liberation against the liberation of the oppressed nationshe only points out idpolism, you moron. you are obsessed out with nothing, looking beneath rocks to screech
>REEEE LE HOMOPHOBIC.>Pinkwashing, rainbow capitalism and homonationalism aren't new subjects.and here you are, being and idpol radlib.
>>2307632I dont know how you can watch those DCEU movies and not be fucking sick of that stupid Wonder Woman theme by now
DuhduhdaNANANANANA NANANANANANANA NANANANANANA NANAAAAAAAAAAAH
>>2307620the consequences of his anthesis to political economy become a thesis to a new, higher form of political economy.
Things are never fixed, smug retard, dialectics 101
The critique of something is used to build another 'thing' but better, you would understand if you studied real stuff
Humanities retards must be shot
>>2307663True. China has a bourgeoisie in a permanent state of kneeling to the state, but even though they're kneeling they're still what they are.
Having a state that can be summed up as "capitalist with socialist vibes" is good enough I guess, especially given that its on its way to crush US imperialism.
>>2307684>>2307690I don't care about her acting ability or personality, I can imagine up a new one.
Please post a picture of what you consider a very attractive woman. Yes, this is political.
>>2307720I dont see how Sorel relates to a discussion about Cockshott
Cockshott will not run a computer program to know when you must fuck your wife
Cockshott is simply engaged in socialist ways of organising the economy, that is production, distribution and consumption
>>2307736hot take
I do not find high heels attractive at all
>>2307740no it is because he is one of the few (if not the ONLY) to deal with the mathematical aspect of socialist planning
something which socialists sleep on, unfortunately
>>2307731I'm a STEMfag and a programmer.
The first time I was exposed to Cockshott's ideas on politics was on 4chan's /wsg/ board, where a webm of him explaining Athenian democracy was posted. I instantly knew this guy was legit. I only learnt later that the speaker was Cockshott. This was before I learnt how to code. The reason I like Cockshott is his rigor in analysis. He gives historical examples, mathematical and physical analogies, actual statistical measurements etc. He has an actual scientific attitude to Socialism.
>>2307725I kinda see it
It seems jews are eugenicists, their woman have a proverbial strangehold on my Cock.
Why is this?
>>2307763That's post-wall
>>2307779A week ago l'd say you're right but if Trump actually throws him in fucking prison then he becomes the primary antagonist of Donald Trump.
Dems will rally to him and normies will se him as being "persecuted by the system" just liked they did with Trump (as normies by definition do not look closely into any of this shit).
1. Going to war with Trump on immigration gets him the """progressive""" wing of the party (along with the cover of being from a "progressive" state)
2. lsrael support and mild anti-trans bigotry gets him the boomer/establishment dem vote
3. Being prosecuted by Trump gets him popular with propetually anti-establishment normies making him popular in polls and "electable" in the eyes of the media.
l really think its gona be him dude.
lf Trump really does go after him you'll se figures like AOC and Bernie calling him one of the bravest leaders in the country.
>>2307801Trump is not gonna throw him in prison lmao. if it came anywhere close to that Newscum would immediately capitulate to Trump just like he's been doing consistently with the right these past six months.
>>2307807you love to see it. total pig death
>>2307801Arrest him for what? Trump can't just have people arrested. If Newscum is arrested, we're fucked beyond him running for president. If Trump starts arresting public officials for essentially upsetting him, than there's a good possibility there won't even be an election in 2028.
>>2307809I'm surprised Fat and Horny is still around. I haven't heard about him in a while.
>>2307816true,
Pritzker could also get the same opportunity if they start going this sort of shit in illinois.
>>2307836in what, chicago?
nothing else will happen in the rest of the state
>>2307835>Trump can't just have people arrested. why not
>than there's a good possibility there won't even be an election in 2028.they're certainly discussing this
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