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>>2304789 >>2306161silence, chuddha
>>23061731905 was a "nothingburger" except it resulted in the failed reforms that put russia on the road to 1917
>>2306177this
>>2306251To free the slaves.
And to kiss other men.
>>2306279>>2306280I asked this question on 4chan and they are saying it's 30 year old boomers who are doing it
>>2306282i was never really a fan of democracy, it's the steam chart thread of political ideologies.
>>2306289I actually asked a random /trash/ porn thread that
>>2306298maybe, but these people have the majority opinion. I would ask r/asmongold but like. I hate reddit.
>>2306286IT'S ABOUT PROLETARIAN DEMOCRACY OVER BOURGEOIS DEMOCRACY
>It is ridiculous to think that Mr. Kautsky could find in any country even one out of a thousand of well-informed workers or farm labourers who would have any doubts as to the reply. Instinctively, from hearing fragments of admissions of the truth in the bourgeois press, the workers of the whole world sympathise with the Soviet Republic precisely because they regard it as a proletarian democracy, a democracy for the poor, and not a democracy for the rich that every bourgeois democracy, even the best, actually is.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/prrk/democracy.htmPROLETARIAN DEMOCRACY IS ESTABLISHED AT GUNPOINT WHETHER THE MAJORITY HITHERTO BRAINWASHED BY THE BOURGEOIS MACHINE THINK THEY WANT IT OR NOT. ONCE THEY GET IT, THEY'LL REALIZE IT'S BETTER
>>2306306oh my god
WOULD
YOU
STOP
GIVING
A SHIT
ABOUT
THE FUCKING
ASMONGOLD FANS
Jesus fucking Christ dude almost nobody actually knows who cares who that is, and if they're aware of him and not already turned off by the fact that he's the herald of Nurgle then they're a lost cause that's not worth appealing to or caring about.
>>2306395OPEN BORDERS FOR IMPERIALIST STATES SO THAT THE IMPERIAL CORE CAN BE INVADED BY THE WRETCHED OF THE EARTH
CLOSED BORDERS FOR SOCIALIST STATES SO THEY CAN PLAN PRODUCTION AND PREVENT BRAIN DRAIN
IT'S THAT SIMPLE
>>2306408a communist is for planned economy, planned workforce.
One cannot allow the country to become a free for all orgy, where workers are leaving and entering without any control. It is also parasitic against Mexico and the other countries who are losing their workforce for the American porky's benefit.
>>2306411>OPEN BORDERS FOR IMPERIALIST STATES SO THAT THE IMPERIAL CORE CAN BE INVADED BY THE WRETCHED OF THE EARTHMore like so they can export slave labour lmao
Communists don't need to have an opinion on migration policy other than it's a facade trough wich capitalists regulate the export of massive labour reserves
>>2306419okay, but America isn't a socialist country, its barely even a real county at this point
>>2306275just because someone dosn't vote dem dosn't make them a republican
>>2306421not everyone is a terminally online American retard
you think the whole world is bothered with Kendrick vs Drake, Hasan vs Asmongold cringe bullshit?
>>2306436i believe theyre sucking trump's cock but i dont want to seek them out myself to confirm
>>2306437top lel
>>2306439I dont have e-celebs
I know about them because you American retards keep shoving them on every corner of the internet
>>2306444honestly, much better than I've expected, kek.
except for the closing clause where they draw themselves into some sort of prophetic movement, it's much better than some "true patriots" voices.
>>2306471we have not reached the stage where the national guard are mutinous
yeah they sleep on the floor but they're fed pepperoni pizza MREs and just stand around
>>2306495Oh wow, so fighting means selling cheap goods to Amerikkkans. Maybe in another 2000 years chinese socialism will win if they're not too busy further liberalizing their markets
>>2306496By doing nothing, yeah. Masterful gambit, sir
>Communist China leads the third-world to global peace and prosperitybait or cope
im calling baipe
>>2306519Are there even any protests currently?
>>2306543they're only less lethal when the cops use them correctly, which they never do
>>2306544what do we think happens when someone ends up getting killed? also, who is getting killed first: a protestor or a pig?
>>2306550>what do we think happens when someone ends up getting killed? also, who is getting killed first: a protestor or a pig?this is california, nobody can open carry, a protestor is much more likely to die
marines don't carry riot weapons
>>2306553>nobody can open carryguns arent the only things that can kill people doe
>a protestor is much more likely to dieyeah, i agree
>>2306562Looks like it. 500 US Marines vs some guys and gals with flags and concrete pieces isn't an even fight.
If the protestors defend their barricades somebody is going to be shot.
>>2306564are there any barricades right now?
all the livestreams im seeing are only of the union rally
>>2306588did the news get it wrong originally? or did trump change his mind on a whim?
we'll never know lol
>>2306580I suspect Palantir will play a central role in the coming panopticon prison nation.
Nobody enters. Nobody leaves.
>>2306382It’s 100%
>I didn’t realize they were going to deport the immigrants I like!I feel most American are more reactionary in theory than in principle.
>>2306605>>2306606I think the question is how much do Americans give a shit about ICE deportations and authoritarian oppression.
Unfortunately my guess is "not much" so I'm still on team fizzle
>>2306606SLAUGHTER THE LAMBS, THE REST SHALL BOW DOWN TO THEIR NEW GOD
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
>>2306609i mean, running away from tear gas is probably for the best. that shit sucks.
>>2306610I feel like Mexicans and immigrants might still care quite a bit. LA is mostly latino and half of the city is part of a mixed-status family, so its more personal for them than it is for most burgers
>>2306611truthnuke
>>2306639Good, this means you know where the Marines are and can ambush them with ease.
Remember: They literally do not have doctrine for how to fight without fire support. They NEED their bombers, their artillery and their tanks, and they do not have them and cannot use them here. They would withdraw from ANY resistance.
It is your job to physically demolish the United States government. If you are not willing to do what Hamas and Hezbollah are doing, you are objectively not a Communist and never will be.
>>2306639the military is not allowed to carry out domestic law enforcement, so this was always going to happen.
unless something big happens (the insurrection act being invoked or protestors attacking the marines or guard, etc), its just going to be 2 thousand piggies standing still and roasting in the LA heat
>>2306600and evangelical christians like him are zionists, no?
i thought that was a major talking point here every time someone dared to not cocksuck the chosen, which is it now?
>>2306621I guess I don't want to believe that because I feel powerless if stupidity is causing everything.
It's all very postmodern isn't it though? American capital falls due to the very strength of its cultural hegemony. I have a hypothesis that much of the material base of ideology is its coding into technology and commodities. I suppose it makes sense that when the tech bubble is slowing down that the internal contradiction between ideology and capital intensifies.
Basically, knowledge workers/the intelligentsia have started proletarianizing for a while now due to technology, outsourcing and so on. Also AI. IMO once knowledge work becomes mostly proletarianized cultural hegemony will necessarily seize to be an effective tool of control. But I didn't imagine it would happen by the capitalists starting to believe their own propaganda though.
>>2306653You should not be planning to die as a martyr, you should be planning to WIN. It can be done. It has been done before, by people with fewer resources and less education than you.
It requires only will and organization.
>>2306645yeah that being an election year hurt a lot of the momentum
>I'd argue the stagnation and misery under Biden made people check out of politicsidk. it certainly made people angrier. and anger is a way better motivator to get people to break windows and set cop cars on fire
>>2306668Bloody Sunday was caused by militant leftists intentionally agitating and escalating until the state was forced to use violence to crush them. Troops were ambushed and attacked until they were cornered.
This is what you should be doing, but alas, none of you cowards have the guts. Nothing ever happens because none of you ever make it happen.
>>2306681>leftists blah blah blah
communism or bust
>>2306695priest gapon was also know to be a tsarist agent saboteur aka a fed.
it's dialectical you see. it takes a naive fed to set of a revolution
>>2306501Wrong. The security of Communism is established. Victory has been achieved
>>2306495Gambit means lose material to win. Communist China never sacrificed anything. There was no gabmit. You are liberal
>>2306660I've been speculating that years of trials, the indictment, two impeachments and the assassination attempt made him very vindictive. With all these heavy handed measures it's like he's saying: "You kept calling me a corrupt dictator, so I'll show you a corrupt dictator!"
>>2306665I agree that it angered people but it also demoralized them too when normal never came back and things just got worse.
>>2306705Boring ass display
Wake me up when casualties pile up like this
>>2306649i miss the old alex, the calling out the zionists on 9/11 alex, the exposing the bohemian grove alex, the free palestine alex, i gotta say at that time i'd like to meet alex
i hate the new alex, the ozempic alex, the hebraic golem alex, the always shilling for zion alex
>>2306725>>2306730The ones who fear plantain are the same ones who told us to be afraid of privatization of the NSA because "capitalism is more efficient." Couldnt be more wrong. Or that capitalist plantain wont be held to same legal standard as federal NSA. Utter nonsense legal standard dont matter. Notion legal standard matters is democrat liberal argument
Being anti-plantain is pro-deep-state pro-cia and therefore incorrect.
>>2306751Paris' instance on maintaining direct democracy during the war is what doomed them.
Even Marx recognized that Blanqui would have been the ideal leader of the Communards.
>>2306738clip starts with
>I don't support the palestinians and you're hyping up the guy who's always been a retarded lolbertarian just because he used to be slightly less reactionary. just admit your entire politics is ZOGnoticing and you've given up communism
>>2306762>>2306770vidrel
>>2306772the post is literally about pointing out how he shills for israel you inbred retard
another thing that I think is notable is that a lot of people this year (certainly myself at least) have been in a state of constant dread and despair over the US going full mask off fascist (it always was but they tried to keep it invisible, which was scarier in a way), and this has been part of the Trump regime's strategy. keep people scared, confused, and ultimately disengaged and try to make a grab for power as fast as possible.
whether or not these protests accomplish anything, they represent a dangerous feedback loop for the Trump regime: everyone who is against what's been happening is seeing that other people have had enough and are willing to throw down. more people will feel emboldened to join in, to start talking to other people who feel similarly, and start organizing. in a way it's actually probably better for things to play out in a slower and less spectacular way than the Floyd riots, because it'll give people time for it to become normal to be engaged in serious organized resistance rather than it being a one-time rupture in normalcy that already existed in a period (covid lockdowns) where nothing was normal.
>>2306761I have been thinking about this problem for years and I think it's especially pertinent to the material conditions of the United States that for any organized left to be successful, it would need to follow the "open source insurgency" model that John Robb observed in the middle east. the US has a lot of territory and a lot of different sorts of people distributed across it, but we also live in an age where everyone has access to sophisticated communications technologies that for most of modern history were only available to formal militaries.
basically, the left needs organization, but a big monolithic Bolshevik Party org is probably not realistic for the US nor is it necessarily ideal. what the left needs is a lot of small, very tightly organized groups, with a diversity of tactics, leaders, and ideologies that are all highly in communication with each other. one big dragon versus thousands of snakes.
>>2306796>you showed up and sucked off alex joneshmm, no
i'm pretty sure i called him a hebraic golem, that's the opposite of sucking him off
>>2306803don't play dumb
>>2306738>i miss the old alex, the calling out the zionists on 9/11 alex, the exposing the bohemian grove alex, the free palestine alex, i gotta say at that time i'd like to meet alexthe "old alex" in that clip was spouting lib zio "i don't support palestine BUT" bullshit
you are hands down the dodgiest and most dishonest cunt on this website.
>>2306835he never even said the USSR no longer was a socialist state
his views were obstructive toward the USSR
AT THE TIME after the war it was pointless to fight over such things like collectivisation and worker ownership
the USSR literally supported countries with trotskyist elements
>>2306836i ❤️ hamas tho they are fighting to liberate mankind
>>2306801>we believe real socialism works, not venezuelabased based base-
>not cubaaaaand it's over, off to prison
>>2306849NOTHING
EVER
HAPPENS
EVILALWAYSWINS >>2306871there is no nightgang
there is only
fizzle
>>2306824Wrong. The anti-party, anti-Communist, anti-Leninist trotskyites are eternal enemies of socialism because, least of all, they reject the fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism and strive for the death of all proletarian dictatorships.
>>2306831You are liberal who fails to grasp the course of history. Communist China opposed soviet revisionist socialist imperialism and promoted conditions of self determination for the oppressed.
>>2306823Privatizing the NSA is far greater blow to the bourgeoisie than the proletariat.
>>2306881BURGERSTANI BLUBBERBITCHES INCAPABLE OF SO MUCH AS LIFTING EVEN ONE FINGER AGAINST THEIR OPPRESSORS
LIVESTOCK LIVESTOCK LIVESTOCK READY FOR THE SLAUGHTER IGNORANT SLAVES BLIND DEAF DUMB AND STUPID
>>2306801first four years lmao
The first four years they were still cleaning up the mess left by WW1 and civil war. It wasn't great for anyone in the first 4 yours. Trots will never admit it, but the USSR became a nice place for people as from collectivisation of 1928.
>>2306882Social imperialism is worse form of imperialism than monopoly capitalism. Kruschev followed the example of Hitler.
Chairman Mao pointed out that “the present Soviet Union is a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, a dictatorship of the big bourgeoisie, a German fascist-style dictatorship, a Hitler-type dictatorship.” (5) Chairman Mao’s analysis profoundly revealed the class nature and social origin of Soviet revisionist social imperialism, exposing its fascist nature and the lie of the Soviet revisionist renegade clique that the Soviet Union is “a country for all the people.” When the Soviet revisionist renegade clique came to power, it tried very hard to strengthen its fascist dictatorship organ. It not only used the most modern scientific and technological means to equip its police and intelligence agencies to strengthen its suppression of the people, but also widely stationed secret agents in factories, farms, organizations, and associations to keep the masses in line. Today’s Soviet Union is under a reign of white terror. Whoever dares to show discontent and resist the Brezhnev clique is watched, tailed, interrogated, or sent to a “mental asylum,” concentration camp, or prison for the alleged crime of “slandering the Soviet Union or sabotaging the social order.”
You support social imperialism in retrospect. You are an actual hitlerite. You are a lesson on the dangers of the trotskyite
>>2306190indefinite martial law in LA, mass arrests for shit like violating curfew, eventual escalation with mexico at the border
>>2306313you DON'T want a stateless society? lmao so maybe you DO have a badge, eh?
>>2306914>Tariq nasheedreactionary grifter
>Foundational black AmericanKnow Nothing Movement for black Americans. They literally lash out at Jamaicans and shit the same way the Know Nothings lashed out at Irish
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