The current setup with the TOR node in-site creates an absurd fucking system that punishes rule-abiding posters twice over while offering literally zero reason for the most atrociously malignant posters to follow the rules.
People flagrantly break the rules and then ban-evade without even trying to hide what they're doing, going so far as to continue posting with the exact same static name, and their original IP ban doesn't even get a single minute of increased ban length from all I've seen so far.
So everyone else not only has to follow the rules, but they also get to watch as the people who break them on a repeat basis simply mock them for reporting them. The number of people who use it in good faith could be counted on one hand.
Not reporting is bourgeois is put on the very top of the screen on every fucking thread but
WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT OF REPORTING PEOPLE IF THEY CAN JUST CASUALLY EVADE ANY PUNISHMENT WHATSOEVER? Supposedly there's supposed to be a feature that helps prevent abuse of TOR in the future, but as it is it's a BROKEN FUCKING FEATURE that has only annoyed everyone who doesn't use it. FINISH your fucking project before you IMPLEMENT IT!
https://take.supersurvey.com/poll5514023xad9144c1-163>>2314990>I use free ones and all they can do is track my activity They sell everything you do, including what you type.
>this website no one gives two fucks about.Yeah, surely the fascists looking for internal enemies will look the other way.
>>2315108>No one needs it.fyi as soon as the USA government decides leftypol is an extremest organization you can be arrested and jailed for up to 15 years for coordinating with and "abetting terrorists."
https://archive.nytimes.com/roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/21/what-counts-as-abetting-terrorists/ >>2315676It's not the chats that matter but protecting your identity and connection to the chats.
Western leftists are spoiled and seem to think they will never be disappeared despite what's happening with ICE. ICE is just the warm-up.
>>2315686It doesn't matter if you post or do anything currently illegal. Read into Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project. Even being associated with what the government considers "terrorists" will be enough. and they can expand the definition to anything they want as Trump has been doing. They are already trying to blame PSL for the riots and frame them as behind it. Eventually they will drive leftists underground. We should have a full understanding of encryption tech and be ready to use it.
>They'll probably go for the twitter users and streamers first.Sure at first. However leftypol is explicitly a leftist site and a boogeyman for /pol/tards. Even if it's nothing like they think eventually glowies will be looking in this direction.
>>2315726It's already happening.
Seriously western leftists are to stupid to live.
>>2316016And where is your glow moniker?
There is easy ways to hide yo ass
I do not say banning tor is optimal even but probably the best this gaggle of incompetents can do
for the moment
>>2315779>western leftists are too stupid to liveClearly. But are they a challenge to anything? Also clearly not.
So relax, enjoy your social outings and/or shitposting.
That reminds me I ran into a climate action by total coincidence once. These guys were blocking the road and all got taken into custody. Actually they just snapped pics of them and took down ID. Anyway, they are in the database, while most of you I can tell are not at all.
Point is, they don't care what's in your head, if anything they care about disruptive potential, that's all.
Paranoia is ok to some extent but keep it contained, productive.
>>2314155I hope this doesn't need to be explained to people here as most of us are or have been on the run from polyp infestation on some level. I haven't been on 4chan since 2016.
Garbage has a knock-on effect. People won't post good in a sea of trash.
I am only still here cause there is as far as I know nothing really better.
I would go on reddit, I don't care. I am not part of the "principled anti-reddit aktion". But there is nothing.
>>2318470<he believes in freedom of speechsorry anon, this is an 18+ website.
Go back to /pol/ or discord or wherever you came from.
>>2318477Not sure where you got that from. I don't, it evidently does not exist.
In fact, the total opposite. I made decisions some might call illegal. I'm saying put a limit on how nervous you are about that.
Also you can hide your ass easier and better anyway. Have you tried posting over the node lately? It's shit.
That specific formulation.
Well, there was a song supposed to go with it.
I'm not gonna post the same post yet again.
>>2318501two ==
equal sign== on each side of the text block you want big red
dunno how it treats line breaks but we'll see right now
>>2318452>>2318497Don't listen to Mr FBI here. People get arrested for shit they say online all the time. Imageboards are watched and monitored in western countries.
Socialism and communism are considered "extremist" to liberals. They see it as destabilizing to society. And as things get worse they will be cracking down on resistance.
>>2326552>he's fbi, you're fbi >is there anyone here who's not FBI?blabla
I have already pre-bunked all that.
Let me cut to the heart of it. I am not saying there is no risk (I am not even saying tor should be shut down indefinitely, at all), I say you specifically are not at risk as you are no threat. Statistically, that is what I read here.
And it's an attempt to make yourself feel better about yourself.
>>2326571>I say you specifically are not at risk as you are no threat. Stop fedposting.
Police officers spy on and ensnare people in vegan groups and hippy anti-war activists. Anarchists get thrown in jail for running blogs.
>>2326574I am quite sure I have been over this and even said much the same
But that means there is nothing special about this place, doesn't it?
>>2318452like
???
that's what I said
And you're overly paranoid still
Just because things such as getting a knock on the door over dumb shit can and do happen, doesn't mean you can't still go overboard on paranoia
>>2326571>I have already pre-bunked all that.Calling people FBI, CIA, Glowies is just a way of saying you represent state interests and repeat their talking points, not that you are necessarily an agent, genius.
>I say you specifically are not at risk as you are no threat. States are interested in the inner lives of citizens and are constantly trying to nip problems in the bud. Look at any court docket in any western country and you would know that. States are particularly interested in potential political change for obvious reasons.
>>2326574Seriously. 61 protestors over Cop City in Atlanta got hit with RICO charges almost 2 years ago and they are still in jail waiting. Insanity.
>>2326585>And you're overly paranoid stillIt's true there are some diminishing returns for being overly paranoid. But basic caution over internet communications and using simple anonymity software like TOR is low level. We shouldn't pretend TOR is some crazy or forbidden super tech.
>>2327748At least you actually use the node.
>potential political changeI fail to see how this is relevant to here to be perfectly honest
>61 protestors over Cop City in Atlanta got hit with RICO charges Well, they actually did something. This also just goes into my overall point.
>inner livesThis in general, I would very much contest. Or it doesn't matter who is interested in what.
Thought can not be controlled or read. That's why it is said "the thoughts are free". It's the only thing that's truly free.
I know you probably meant something else however I guess we are just gonna be really nitpicky now
>is some crazy or forbidden super techIn fact I use it myself. You are conjuring "positions" out of thin air repeatedly.
Anyway I lost interest. This mod team is a personal disappointment to me.
>>2330084>Well, they actually did something. This also just goes into my overall point.This is an anonymous imageboard you special needs. you don't know how active anyone here is or isn't. you don't know one Anonymous or Glownonymous poster from the next.
If all you want to do is piss and wine you're free to fuck off back to reddit or wtf.
^
demented lol
As you are not wearing the glow moniker, why and how should I try to engage with this?
As said this place and admin is a disappointment and this may (may!) color my perception to the point of inaccuracy.
But I don't think so.
>>2328134>if you give them your IP they are absolutely going to use it to log your online political commentaryGood, make yourselves useful for once.
In seriousness there's actually an argument for Tor use but the other way around. The more people use Tor the harder it is to disentangle. So using it unnecessarily is 'good' in that abstract sense.
>>2330084>fail to see how this is relevant to here to be perfectly honestAny potential political change includes small forums. Doesn't matter if you think it's too small to do anything there will always be a Sheriff Chitwood looking to make his career.
>Thought can not be controlled or read. That's why it is said "the thoughts are free". It's the only thing that's truly free.States like oaths, confessions, reputation in society and people who will vouch for your character in order to get the best possible view inside their citizens minds. Obviously your true though are hidden but the state wants to know it's citizens think correctly. Look at any court case and it will show that the state is very interested in motivation and what people think.
>>2330151If that makes you feel better about yourself. No matter, give me a place to fuck off to. As is, you are very unproductive but you know that yourself.
It's like we are stuck in this place and this conversation, such as it is.
>>2332948Well, like me, you have access to alternatives to the tor node.
>Any concerted successful effort to remove anonymous access to this site You know that's a long way away, as in that won't happen ever, realistically.
As mentioned, I don't think shutting off tor is an optimal solution at all. If the moderation didn't insist on making theyselves so damn scarce, it would be way less of an issue. So there's an easy fix to most everything.
Anyway, I've taken this opportunity to complain about other things (you know how it is).
>>2332948NTA but i couldn't use a clearnet in a lot of 23/24, (mostly before the 'glownonymous' bullshit tag i think but could be fuzzy on thi) without the tor node you wouldn't have had a lot of palestine generals, nor almost all the news in it, or the videos, as 3 of the most regular news/video posters were using tor.
People whining endlessly about the tor node are for the most part bad actors just trying to create issues and shit the place up.
>>2333366 (me)
Honestly i think a part of it is just burgers not understanding how the world works, not understanding that yes, it is technically even illegal to say a lot of what people regularly say and post here, and no, the courts are not going to take 'it was a meme' as an argument.
Again, again
if you "need" the node, there is a certain level of incompetence present (there's better options, even posting on tor [damn!]). Therefore, it makes sense, statistically, this is a numbers game, like most anything, to cut down on it to bring up quality. Sacrifices are part of everyday. I am not saying there aren't downsides (to most anything).
I don't work like that, I know there are different aspects to (most) anything.
We're very much retreading the same ground. But hey, that's fine, more opportunity for me to pontificate (on somebody else's problem, which is the best way to do it).
>>2333371sry for late reply, but I know for a fact one of the big culturally-significant anons is in a country where their atheism (let alone communism) makes it legal to kill them.
Death to liberalism, but shit if it doesn't have its perks in the quiet times.
>and no, the courts are not going to take 'it was a meme' as an argumentThe people who take the 'in minecraft' and 'i disavow my posts etc etc' memes seriously are so damn funny. Courts aren't robots, this isn't harry fucking potter where saying 'well ackchually' will save your ass.
[polite sage]
>>2333426>tor node is controlled where otherwise the real glowies would just use advanced VPN tricknologies where good faith communist posters use tor nodeTor is a technology developed by the US Navy for a specific purpose, and it requires adoption at scale to achieve that purpose. When I considered donating to it, I released around 30% of its funding IIRC comes from the US government.
Therefore, I'm pretty confident that US state actors use it, it's not simply 'a honeypot', and therefore any backdoor or exploit, if/when they exist, would have to be burned the moment an adversary discovers it. That doesn't mean it can't exist temporarily, or that exploits don't exist - Tor Browser is actually one of the most private and least secure modern browsers if you aren't using the safest mode (Firefox ESR-based monoculture is a far easier target compared to rolling release Chromium).
That said, obviously malicious actors, whether clickfarms or glowies, have access to botnets and other proxies (VPNs? rofl just admit you're posting vibes comr8). Imagine if you could block them just by blocking Tor exit nodes, shit would be hilarious. Some glowlib just solving Cloudflare captchas for hours, imagine if they all did that. We'd have self-driving cars working by now.
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