The current setup with the TOR node in-site creates an absurd fucking system that punishes rule-abiding posters twice over while offering literally zero reason for the most atrociously malignant posters to follow the rules.
People flagrantly break the rules and then ban-evade without even trying to hide what they're doing, going so far as to continue posting with the exact same static name, and their original IP ban doesn't even get a single minute of increased ban length from all I've seen so far.
So everyone else not only has to follow the rules, but they also get to watch as the people who break them on a repeat basis simply mock them for reporting them. The number of people who use it in good faith could be counted on one hand.
Not reporting is bourgeois is put on the very top of the screen on every fucking thread but
WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT OF REPORTING PEOPLE IF THEY CAN JUST CASUALLY EVADE ANY PUNISHMENT WHATSOEVER? Supposedly there's supposed to be a feature that helps prevent abuse of TOR in the future, but as it is it's a BROKEN FUCKING FEATURE that has only annoyed everyone who doesn't use it. FINISH your fucking project before you IMPLEMENT IT!
https://take.supersurvey.com/poll5514023xad9144c1-163>>2314094I'd like to add that there are legit tor posters, but, since there is no enforcement possible and YOU, yes YOU, the normies have been encouraging to hide "glowposters" then there is literally no incentive to use the onion for anything but shitposting. This is a result of insufficient mod action against trolls and spammers. Letting the user with the only recourse of hiding the glowposting spam.
Now, you may think stricter measures may fix this, but I guarantee you I will be posting as "Anonymous" from tor no matter what you do. And If I can, everybody you purportedly aim to filter, who is actually malicious can as well.
>>2314094One problem of "user moderation" in social media is that it's a sham to cover for data mining and encourages the worst habits of users to favor the platform's financials. It is also sourced from a need to extract free labor from users. But here, traffic is low and moderation is unbound form the profit motive or thinktank shilling.
I propose the following, user moderation (by clearnet users only) that up or downvotes posts resulting in them being "hidden" (collapsed) if they go sufficiently negative for Glowposters only. That way quality posting is encouraged and the userbase can potentially deal with raiding and malicious use of the onion. This would also require the regular users to behave and not knee-jerk downvote, but
if you are correct and the problem is torposters then you shouldn't have any issues.
Though, again, I do not think that the problem is that mods are overwhelmed by a deluge of torposters, or that torposters are that much of a problem even when on their worst behavior, but rather that the userbase feels helpless about the supposed impunity.
>>2314131 (me)
OR maybe I'm just trying to pervert your platform
>>2314136You seriously need to touch some grass.
>>2314143>functional sitePretty sure it still works as intended.
>>2314138>reddit with more autismI mean yes? Less autism but yeah that's one notorious example of horrible user moderation. But just as well I could compare the current state of the /leftypol/ (main, lets be honest)board with the abrasive nihilism that permeates anonymous imageboards. Would you like to be compared to 4chan? Because you are only smaller and shittier by comparison, and every day less of a communist.
In fact you are exactly what one would expect if a leftist board cut itself off the greater userbase and sailed into obscurity. Soon, only the shitposters will remain and then they'll be gone too when they realize it.
>>2314094Well how else am i supposed to break rule 13 without consequence?
>>2314105Isn't sharty one of the more active altchans?
>>2314131When I was a mod, the prevailing notion was that by making leftypol a "free speech platform," people would be attracted to post here because they could say and talk about things they couldn't elsewhere on the internet. Policing shitposting and encouraging effortposts was discouraged as supposedly "the community" would police itself. I guess you could say it did because gradually the people actually doing anything, including the reading, effort posting, and educating chose exile instead of putting up with cunts that shit up and on absolutely everything.
At the end of the day a forum has to be dedicated to some purpose, otherwise there's no point in using it. Outside of a few ongoing generals, the vast majority of threads on the 35 page leftypol graveyard serve little purpose aside from giving cranks the chance to vent their spleen and try to accumulate precious (you)s, not by engaging in any kind of constructive discussion but just to piss people off. Jerks and assholes have made out like "chan culture" is and should be all about them, when they're the biggest detriments to leftypol, and if nothing is done to remove this tumor on "chan culture" then leftypol is just going to keep withering until finally dying empty and forgotten, and no one will even notice or care.
>>2314258Yeah, there's a contingent of posters that act like tripcodes create annoying, self-important posters or somehow destroy the primary virtue of anonymous boards, which is that posts and arguments are evaluated on their merits rather than some kind of cult of personality or shit like that.
But honestly if a tripcode is all its takes to destroy a poster's ability to evaluate a post on its own merits or demerits then I don't think it's the tripfag that's the problem.
>>2314118>>2314203>>2314273If you want every conversation traced to your real identity then why don't you just use Facebook? You'll get more palantir goodboy points that way.
>>2314127Then use Tor yourself.
>>2314160>>2314155Just ignore shit posts.
>>2314394Mods might actually need to step up moderation but the issue is what you think is a decent post a mod might not and vice versa.
imo image posting should be disabled for Tor posting to eliminate illegal spam altogether.
>>2314474yeah you lost
i won
>>2314558>>2314568hey they ended up helping OP
it was even funny until they started spamming CP
>>2314902You do t have to like it but we have rules.
If you want a site without then go make it.
>>2314985>>2314986There will always be a way to ban evade, from changing your dynamic IP to getting free and paid VPNs to Tor to mobile data to public Wi-Fis which are everywhere nowadays etc. A moderation team, without an account-based system, can only set up friction in the ban evading process. Every imageboard suffers from this to some degree.
The most efficient way of dealing with bad posters is just deleting all of their posts, preferably before anyone else gives them attention. This works well with the slow pace of Leftypol, where users check it every few minutes/hours instead of every second like in 4chan.
>>2315005It's something that needs to be done carefully because posts are disembodied from identities here, most of the time at least. There are a few posters who are infamously shit and never contribute with anything, but the occasional ban from a regular user is like, two or three offending messages from a long post history of normal posts. Thankfully it's easy enough to select the bad apples from post history. I was more talking about dedicated trolls, who have all of their trollposts in a single IP. If you feel like you had your other posts deleted in a cross-fire, please report that on /meta/.
>>2315010>did it to protect against bansThat does not work LOL
>>2314985>It's a nice way to get all the people too stupid to use VPNs in one place.This is true but what is the point of that if you never use it to your advantage!
>one or two anons who actually need TorNo one needs it.
>>2314990>I use free ones and all they can do is track my activity They sell everything you do, including what you type.
>this website no one gives two fucks about.Yeah, surely the fascists looking for internal enemies will look the other way.
>>2315108>No one needs it.fyi as soon as the USA government decides leftypol is an extremest organization you can be arrested and jailed for up to 15 years for coordinating with and "abetting terrorists."
https://archive.nytimes.com/roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/21/what-counts-as-abetting-terrorists/ >>2315676It's not the chats that matter but protecting your identity and connection to the chats.
Western leftists are spoiled and seem to think they will never be disappeared despite what's happening with ICE. ICE is just the warm-up.
>>2315686It doesn't matter if you post or do anything currently illegal. Read into Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project. Even being associated with what the government considers "terrorists" will be enough. and they can expand the definition to anything they want as Trump has been doing. They are already trying to blame PSL for the riots and frame them as behind it. Eventually they will drive leftists underground. We should have a full understanding of encryption tech and be ready to use it.
>They'll probably go for the twitter users and streamers first.Sure at first. However leftypol is explicitly a leftist site and a boogeyman for /pol/tards. Even if it's nothing like they think eventually glowies will be looking in this direction.
>>2315726It's already happening.
Seriously western leftists are to stupid to live.
>>2316016And where is your glow moniker?
There is easy ways to hide yo ass
I do not say banning tor is optimal even but probably the best this gaggle of incompetents can do
for the moment
>>2315779>western leftists are too stupid to liveClearly. But are they a challenge to anything? Also clearly not.
So relax, enjoy your social outings and/or shitposting.
That reminds me I ran into a climate action by total coincidence once. These guys were blocking the road and all got taken into custody. Actually they just snapped pics of them and took down ID. Anyway, they are in the database, while most of you I can tell are not at all.
Point is, they don't care what's in your head, if anything they care about disruptive potential, that's all.
Paranoia is ok to some extent but keep it contained, productive.
>>2314155I hope this doesn't need to be explained to people here as most of us are or have been on the run from polyp infestation on some level. I haven't been on 4chan since 2016.
Garbage has a knock-on effect. People won't post good in a sea of trash.
I am only still here cause there is as far as I know nothing really better.
I would go on reddit, I don't care. I am not part of the "principled anti-reddit aktion". But there is nothing.
>>2318470<he believes in freedom of speechsorry anon, this is an 18+ website.
Go back to /pol/ or discord or wherever you came from.
>>2318477Not sure where you got that from. I don't, it evidently does not exist.
In fact, the total opposite. I made decisions some might call illegal. I'm saying put a limit on how nervous you are about that.
Also you can hide your ass easier and better anyway. Have you tried posting over the node lately? It's shit.
That specific formulation.
Well, there was a song supposed to go with it.
I'm not gonna post the same post yet again.
>>2318501two ==
equal sign== on each side of the text block you want big red
dunno how it treats line breaks but we'll see right now
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