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>>2313621>>2315194at this point, I am convinced that the US will move forwards to jailing immigrants and put them in concentration camps, like slaves, and pay them $10 a day.
it will set an interesting precedent for Americans when they travel abroad.
>>2315209 (me)
Or if they do go after us it'll be lumped in with hundreds of other "leftist" web-sites.
>>2315190told ya
The case for the internal enemy is a way to empower fascists and pre-empt the left organizing. Because they are, in the west, married to neoliberalism. They have to keep bribing the bourgeoisie which increasingly can't be distinguished between domestic and foreign thanks to the liberal globalization that they imposed on the entire fucking planet.
So the western powers have already determined to drive the liberal system into the ground. And only worry that the resulting upheaval ends up in something other than socialism AKA fascism.
>>2315232First they came for Iron Felix, and I did not speak out because I did not read Joe Slovo
Then they came for Sandanistanon, and I did not speak out because I was not Brazilian
Then they came for Theilschizo, and I did not speak out because he called me a permachudded zoomer one time
Then they came for me, and by then nobody else was posting
>>2315252>>2315258Hey, uh.
In case you forgot, being shoved underground is how we FUCKING LOST EVERYTHING the last time.
And that was BEFORE we lived in a world where one run-in with the cops could ruin your entire life immediately with no hope of recovery because everyone knows everything about all you're doing and you have to live paycheck to precarious paycheck.
>>2315264True, true. ..
Now tell me how trump is about to crush the Chinese economy with tariffs
>>2315261And if you get out of the American cultural matrix, that makes you a total weirdo. A total outsider. You can't even relate to average Americans anymore because their lives revolve around American media and that thought matrix.
Lol I instinctively grabbed a movie reference for visual illustration for my post, and that's exactly what I'm talking about we can only speak through the cultural canon that already exists within that matrix.
>>2315269But what if the ruling class foments a framework that is cripplingly awful. What if they don't give two shits if the average person is a high functioning retard, Aspergers becomes the default and everyone is a pre-diabetic drug addict?
Well, China happens. And then you have a population fit only for fascism and war, unless rehabilitated. So you speedrun fascism and hope to get there before the stupefying spell breaks.
>>2315285saw a clip of his stream where he says this on X
>>2315283what is pickle?
>>2315284if Hasan truly gets yeeted, I will start liking Trump
>>2315295I celebrate Hasan getting deported because it comes after trump said he will stop deporting hardworking construction, agricultural and hotel workers.
This shows a shift, from deporting immigrant proles to deporting smug immigrant bourgeois. That is a correct Soviet line. Trump is promising after all
>>2315293>well… the matrix didnt invent the word matrix. maybe paruze a thesaurus and find a more "fancier" word.>ParuzeWhere did I claim they invented the word matrix? I was using it in the dictionary sense you fucking ESL.
>>2315269>American cultural matrix,I actually thought of the image of the Matrix movie because it was a good illustration of a band of outsiders. It was metaphorical for real life leftists, anarchists, etc.
>>2315315Argentina??! Really? Fuck YES.
Thank you Trump, thank you Vance.
Argentina is legit much better than my country. Thank you MAGAtards.
>>2315310nonsens,,, htehg turmp maga STATE will creat the ocnditions for full gamer communism with TARRIF IMMIGRANT DESTRUCITY…. thgus is the correct soviet line
HELLUVA BOSSES are SEETHING from my innately superior theory brain
>>2315327the bourgeois is alright if he has proleterian vibes I guess?
Ameritards just want one big show after all, who gives a fuck about objective reality
>>2315337Why do people draw Rouge with smaller breasts than in game models
Only character i know that happens to
>>2315335>>2315336>isolate one thing and pretend the rest isn't realclassic libshit tactic, this is why you need to be put to death
marx worked to overthrow the capitalist order, these streamers own capital
>>2315340>deporting everyone who ever collaborated with bernie sandersgood
>>2315336and did Hassan produce anything comparable to Marx and Engels for the proleterian movement?
Jeff Bezos does unironically much more for the worker's movement by driving small mom&pop petit bourgeois shops into oblivion and thus sharpens the bourgeois vs proletariat divide.
Hasan is a parasite.
>>2315345zoophilic pedo bullshit
shame on you
>>2315337It probably will fizzle
Trvmp already cvcks out because of pushback from agro and hospitality porkies
My greatest hope is that AmeriKKKans will learn from this episode that migrant workers are an untapped source of labour mobilization but i'm not hoping much, capitalism breeds a hustler mentality that encourage you to undercut your fellow worker than unionizing with them
>>2315359succdem = bourg
Le Piker's best is already his worst.
>>2315363So your excuse now is it it's a party? Come on man don't deflect be honest here. You told me Utah has no committed Zionist politicians. I literally provided you that both senators are that.
Why are you doing this? Here is one
>>2315373nope
Kautsky goes first
>>2315374you won, Mr Utah Expert
you are too smart
>>2315380Okay so how this talk started is I showed the new York mayor candidate being pressured to be pro Israel. He told me that is only a new York issue that in other states you don't need to be pro Israel. Then I mentioned Utah. He said Utah has no committed Zionist politicians. Then I provided both their senators are that
What is the problem?
>>2315374Man have you to be obnoxiously retarded
Zohran Mamdani has a hard time winning in NY because NY has a lot of zionist jews. The Satmar rebbe already voiced his opposition to Mamdani. This is why every NY politician shouts out from the fooking rooftop that they support Israel.
Israel is not a big issue in Mormon areas becaue Mormons believe that America is actually Israel and Mormons are the chosen people. If you want to run for office in Utah you won't be saying shit like "Israel is our overseas district" unlike NY politicians because its not a fucking hot button issue.
>>2315373well, I wasn't arguing whether it is bad or not that hassan is deported, rather his political inclinations.
but cry nothing, he's from a nato country. he's not getting deported to El Salvador. he'll be back to his nato outpost, living as good as hi live in the US because both are part of the imperial core.
>>2315399NOOOOOOO
WE NEED TO PRESERVE THE LEADER'S LINEAGE
>>2315390So now you turn to insulting me instead of just admitting you were wrong that Utah does have committed Zionist politicians contrary to what you said.
You are approaching this as if Americans are fairly and accurately represented by their politicians based off their values and not like candidates are pushed to the top of their party by ideological donors and lobbyist. These people are not electing zionist constantly just because a portion of their population is evangelical. It is they don't have other choices as these are who are going to be propped up due to being zionist views and forced into pushing zionist views to be able to be politically successful in the USA. This is not a new York problem this is a USA problem across all states
>>2315397Bundist and secular Jews don't identify themselves as Jews. They identify themselves as LGBT, based on average income, location etc before they identify as a cohesive Jewish block. This is why it is very hard to get left wing jewish voters as a block since they don't identify as a block.
Religious Zionist Jews however do vote as a block because temples provides an avenue for mass mobilization and religious identity is an easy way to determine friend/enemy distinction. It would be better if we get more pragmatic religious Jews who aren't die hard on Israel like Reform or Conservative Jews but they're basically the Jewish version of liberal protestants a.k.a a dying breed
>>2315381fam, don't do this. there's no law that will absolve you from legal consequences if you hurt or kill someone ramming over people with your car.
not even in the cuckooland Florida is.
>>2315390when I was a mormon i got something called a patriarchal blessing that designed me a descendent of one of the lost tribes of israel
I was taught that when jesus returns the 10 lost tribes will be reunited in new zion (utah)
>>2315450Well if he do that he'll be forced to reveal to his voters that migrant workers are in the country because of the capitalist system and not because they are imported by helluva bosses and hazbin hotels
I think he will just quietly roll back this shit. Or he will incite another right wing cultural war issue, like trans people or black people, to distract his voters from his turning back on his words
>>2315313Isn't support for Israel just taken for granted in Utah. There's no demand to pledge allegience because it's assumed to be automatic.
New York City is a huge and really diverse place. It has the largest Jewish population in the country and also the largest Palestine protests.
>>2315492mormons are less insufferable than liberals and conservatives
I would gladly hang out with mormons if they want to
>>2315494BLM, CHAZ/CHOP, we've seen all of this before
/USApol/ = /ISG/
America is the first fully digital country. Your corporeal self no longer exists, sorry. Subscribe to Premium membership for ad-free existence.
>>2315510Crazy thing for the jannie to be going onto twitter and saying instead of you know, simply banning the autistic weirdo who spams twitter screenshots in /USApol/ and etc. It's not like he doesn't get reported a ton.
Jannies will do anything but their job, it's kind of insane.
>>2315507 (me)
a lot of the shit that's happening culturally here has echoes in what happened with the lost generation, the rise of otaku culture and reactionary radicalization thereof in the 90s and 00s. It's the same process of capitalist decay and digital life dovetailing, just happening in two different cultural and political contexts
Disney adults and gamer incels are just American Otaku
>>2315521Why do people hate disney adults??? Idgi
I get why people hate gamer incels since these guys always try to insert themselves to all kind of situations (uninvited) but disney adults?
>>2315539There's a difference between being an adult who likes disney (which I feel I need to stress is *totally fine*), and being the kind of person who invites the label Disney Adult where you define yourself through it
I have plenty of nerdy hobbies myself (I watch *Gundam* for chrissakes), but I'm not trying to make it the center of my life
>>2315535anarkkkists are literally the biggest cops
totalitarian, middle class shitbags
>>2315508it's so funny that the entire pretense of the trumposphere in terms of foreign policy, leading up to the election, was that their strategy was going to be different than the democrats. the democrats wanted endless quagmire proxy wars in Ukraine, Taiwan, while the trumposphere believed it could get based trad orthodox christian capitalist russia on our side even after breaking our promise of no more NATO expansion like 14 times since 1997. Like these retards really thought PRC/RF would fall for another Kissingerian sino-soviet style split attempt. now that it's apparent that isn't going to work, trump is tweeting that pootler has gone mad and we have to go to war with iran.
like there is so much schizo shit being juggled. we are really supposed to believe that the bourgeoisie can do all of the following simultaneously:
>kick out migrants>bring back outsourced jobs, esp. manufacturing>raise wages>increase exports and have them priced competitively>keep the dollar strong in terms of purchasing power>prevent dedollarization>decrease imports with tariffs>rebuild factories>pry China and Russia apart from each other>use Ukraine against Russia>use Taiwan against China>use Israel against the entire Middle East>use the gulf monarchies against Yemen>win the new space race>win the new cold war>keep our global empire of lily pad bases and aircraft carriers>continue to expand NATO with impunity>fix climate change FAKE AND GAY
It's clearly unsustainable schizo shit. even more ambitious and schizo than the Turd Reich. some of these goals are mutually exclusive so we have to somehow do two opposite things at once.
>>2315559Yep
Everybody is an escapist since escapism is fun and when communal socializing spaces collapse it literally becomes the easiest way to connect to other people as weird as that is.
I don't view disney adults any different than people who collect trains. Heck a lot of them might be neurodivergent. Is this just bullying aspies disguised as le deep anti consumerism message
>>2315549I think the conversation around this stuff gets stuck between stupid extremes.
There's nothing wrong with liking nerdy shit, everybody likes escapism and popular myth, just don't make it the only thing you interact with.
>>2315567>I don't view disney adults any different than people who collect trains. Heck a lot of them might be neurodivergent. Is this just bullying aspies disguised as le deep anti consumerism messageThat's fair, I'm inclined to agree. Like I said here
>>2315570 I think the conversation honestly gets stuck around stupid extremes and is really just a proxy for yelling at cringe stereotypes.
Nothing wrong with liking nerdy escapist stuff, but again, there's a difference between having nerdy hobbies, and having that be your whole life and the only thing you interact with.
I could tell you a million different things about the production histories of famous anime. That doesn't mean I'm not gonna do other shit with my time as well, like check out a book at the library, or take a walk, or listen to an album I've never heard before in a genre I don't normally interact with.
>>2315581soon posadist chads
the fifth international will be held in space
>>2315567also
>Everybody is an escapist since escapism is fun and when communal socializing spaces collapse This is where I kinda get into the hot take zone a bit. I think the ultimate takeaway from the persistence of legacy IPs is that these big franchises are just the alienation of folklore production under late capitalism, which is why I don't really have it in me to get mad at fanfiction or fanart. If you enjoy something, you might as well do something with it yourself instead of getting mad online that your bourgeois masters didn't pander to you specifically
>>2315539Widespread arrested development is a symptom of a society in decay.
That and the ultra-consumerist nature of worshiping a corporation.
>>2315617>um noConfederates are just as much victims of:
<CONTRA EL IMPERIALISMO Y EL YANKEE FASCISMO!Have you read Shay's manifesto? Southern states are nothing more than internal colonies under Yankee imperialism.
>>2315648Did you read your own article?:
>During the "memorial period" that ran from the late 19th century through the 1920s, the use of Confederate flags broadened and became the symbolic embodiment of the Lost Cause.[21] The Confederate battle flag was added to the state flags of three former Confederate states. The flag of Mississippi included the battle flag from 1894 until 2020, and the flag of Georgia did from 1956 until 2003.[22] The 50th anniversary reunion at Gettysburg in 1913 was a turning point in obtaining national acceptance of the flag and other Confederate symbols. The flag appears prominently in The Birth of a Nation (1915), a highly successful and influential film which promotes eugenics. Woodrow Wilson made this the first ever film to air at the White House during his term as president. Margaret Mitchell's novel, Gone with the Wind, led to a brief but intense period of nostalgia for the Old South during which the Confederate flag appeared widely.[23] In the film adaptation, the flag flutters over a scene of vast carnage. It was always popular in the South.
>>2315705why would zionists enslave white people
rich white people benefit from using israel to keep the middle east enslave
>>2315714I dunno, I was at a pro-palestine protest last week and maybe 30% of them were all jews.
Perhaps this is some extreme psyop.
>>2315705Nick Fuentes has done the anti trump in a way that his arguments are based in reality and very hard to argue against from a far right perspective. He articulates it well so he has actually even gained support overall thru Trumps obvious hypocrisy he points and warmongering
Richard Spencer went the opposite way he became an unironic pro ukraine democrat making arguments that just make no sense and decimated his support. Literally no one talks about Richard Spencer anymore despite him still tweeting daily.
>>2315718the CPUSA does things still
last year the IWW had enough funds to pay for a memorial
>>2315714Nick is an affluent white guy from Chicago suburbs and went to an elite university. He despises rural people and has said he much rather live around liberals than rednecks literally.
Please watch this video of him talking about it. Took me a few minutes to clip it
>>2315785Also Benjamin Disraeli converted to protestantism long before he became prime minister. So he was only Jewish in terms of heritage. He was not a practicioner of Judaism. Unless of course you believe in the "false conversion" accusations that are often leveled at ex-Jewish converts
(not sure why you used a picture of Disraeli here when you could have just talked about the British mandate in Palestine or something that came after Disraeli)
>>2315760right
no source then
got it
>>2315705Fuentes is a true white nationalist, yes. BUT he also enjoys being the fringe outcast too much. He would hate his ideas to actually become mainstream.
And that is super comfortable, once your ideas become mainstream, its contradictions will be become apparent to all.
It is easy to stay on the margins and say "DA JOOZ" at every problem.
>>2315754>>2315751two truthnukes:
1. Jews do not control america
2. Zionists do control america
if you disagree you are retarded
>>2315802Zionism and American Imperialism is an alliance of convenience for both the American imperialists AND the Settler Israelis.
There is no fucking way Zios actually directly control America. Their genocidal project is cleverly aligned perfectly with American (imperialist) interests.
>>2315804white nationalists hate
1. DA JOOZ
2. Other white nationalists
They aint securing a future for their /\RV/\|\| children like that lol
>>2315808 (me)
A much weaker and smaller analogy would be Rhodesia and Apartheid South Africa. Neither 'controlled' the other. But their interests were perfectly aligned and thus they helped each other out.
>>2315816mamdani is a persian kang
not a pajeet
>>2315827 (me)
I meant this
>>2315827 for you
>>2315823 >>2315813If you oppose Israel you are an antisemite
This woman is an unhinged Lebanese disapora Christian btw
>>2315791https://www.jewishideas.org/article/benjamin-disraeli-ongoing-enigma
>Was Disraeli a Zionist before there was an official Zionist movement? Yes…and no. Like so much about Disraeli, there is ambiguity. On the one hand, he spoke and wrote emotionally about the Jewish attachment to the holy land, and to their ultimate return to Israel. But on the other hand, he did not actively initiate or pursue any policies that would lead to a Jewish return to the land of Israel.
>In his novel, Alroy, the Jewish hero states: “You ask me what I wish: my answer is, a national existence, which we have not. You ask me what I wish: my answer is, the Land of Promise. You ask me what I wish: my answer is, Jerusalem. You ask me what I wish: my answer is, the Temple, all we forfeited, all we have yearned after, all for which we have fought, our beauteous country, our holy creed, our simple manners, and our ancient customs.”
>One of Disraeli’s political associates, Lord Stanley, wrote in his diary that on one occasion Disraeli spoke to him “with great apparent earnestness on the subject of restoring the Jews to their own land….The country, he said, had ample natural capabilities; all it wanted was labour, and protection for the labourer; the ownership of the soil might be bought from Turkey: money would be forthcoming: the Rothschilds and leading Hebrew capitalists would all help.” These words were spoken a half century before Herzl’s The Jewish State (1897). Yet, Stanley went on to note that Disraeli “never recurred to it again. I have heard of no practical step taken or attempted to be taken by him in the matter” (Kirsch pp.909-91).
>Disraeli described himself as the blank page between the Old and New Testaments. He belonged to both Testaments in part, and to neither in full. He was born a Sephardic Jew and remained very proud of his Jewish roots. He was a member of the Anglican Church, and expressed loyalty to its teachings. But in spite of his being baptized as a child, he was still thought of as a Jew. Winston Churchill put it very well: “I always believed in Dizzy, that old Jew. He saw into the future.” >>2315836yes
I can do better
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>>2315871blackredguard's face makes me angry
Idk what it is
There's something about his facial expression, makes me wanna punch him
Knowing that he would fold my ass in four with ease
>>2315873sick of that mark levin
need more marx lenin
>>2315881lmao I saw that
It was hilarious to see maoist tough guy go on such goofy show to talk about petty neighbour squabble hahahahaha
>>2315885Marco Rubio is absolutely pro israel. he also happily printed out and waved around gore pics of gaddafi being
raped with a knife in congress to prove a smug point
>>2315909>Americans that's your mistake
It is not an alliance between 'Americans' and zionists, but between American IMPERIALISTS and Zionists.
Now think of all the benefit for the American imperialists and you will understand. By thinking of the nations instead of the dominant classes of said nation, you are making a classic liberal mistake.
>>2315935We already had control over the Middle East through the Saudis tho. Is Israel just meant to represent controlled opposition? idgi they exist on a worthless strip of land that only serves to damage relations with all their neighbors and make them hate America. It seems really counterproductive for an empire to invest so much into a colony at its own geopolitical expense without any resource or political benefits.
>>2315940That's not quite the point. Saudi people despise Israel even if their ruling class doesn't. Its presence in the region directly damages American influence.
>>2315945>That's not quite the point. Saudi people despise Israel even if their ruling class doesn't.see
>>2315925>It is not an alliance between 'Americans' and zionists, but between American IMPERIALISTS and Zionists. now apply this to Saudi Arabia too
>>2315891They terk er jerbs
Imagine being so retarded, someone without any formal education can perform better than you. Let alone someone who is not good with English.
>>2315945>We already had control over the Middle East through the Saudis thothats not true
>It seems really counterproductive for an empire to invest so much into a colony at its own geopolitical expense without any resource or political benefits.american capitalists do get benefits from this relationship because israel is a massive trading partner
>>2315708lol
>>2315786Fuentes seems more like a Pat Buchanan type, and I've read that Buchanan figures really highly for him as an influence. Like a very old school Catholic right that was sympathetic to fascism. In the '30s, Fuentes would've been a total Coughlinite.
Obviously, Trump has tapped into these sentiments on the right, but Trump is also a cipher for various people to project many contradictory things onto him.
>>2315804White nationalists constantly tear each other down, so that's not surprising. Well, at least the hard neo-Nazi scene is very ugly and violent.
>>2315840I read she got her start working for a propaganda station for the South Lebanon Army, which was a Christian militia armed by Israel. Also the station co-broadcasted (or something like that) with Pat Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network.
>>2315877lol
>>2315892He's just standing there menacingly
>>2315932I can't be bothered to look it up now, but when J6 was going on there was a funny video of an older, very liberal white guy (the kind of guy who looks like he reads the New York Times) in D.C. yelling to a black woman in her car about how THESE FUCKING CRACKERS were running rampage and she was like "I know really!
>>2315957Not prominent American right wingers. They demand zero immigration and shut borders entirely
Qatar and uae love immigrants but only under giving them zero rights. Qatar and uae are majority immigrants countries but they have no rights. Americans right wingers would NEVER allow this they would scream they are being replaced
Who does support it yes are rich capitalist as you say who employ undocumented people quietly. You won't find Qatar or uae politicians or activist ever demanding to close borders or end immigration
>>2315906>You put up an image of an actual Maoist.i was just using it as a reaction pic, not asserting anything about the "majority" of black people which is what you are doing.
All I said was
<Have you taken a survey of all black people? I think you might be overstating your case.A question you didn't answer. Reminder that a question is not a contrary assertion.
>>2315955>american capitalists do get benefits from this relationship because israel is a massive trading partner>>2315959>Israel doesn't produce anything, its "trade" is largely just a welfare state funded by American taxes.>>2315964>but muh soda streamI think this argument that Israel doesn't make anything is wrong, it's actually much darker and eviler than that. Israel a major research & development hub for weapons, and is very closely interlinked with the American military-industrial complex, so there's a lot of joint research between Israeli and American MIC firms. The military aid to Israel also acts as an indirect subsidy to the U.S. MIC because it's conditioned on buying American bombs and airplane components and other things. I think there's a lot of military stuff that also doesn't get mentioned a lot like radars and software (because it's boring), but I think is important and involves a lot of money. Missile defense. Point-defense laser weapons to shoot down drones. I think part of another reason for this is because the U.S. MIC moves rather slowly while Israel tends to rush and adopt weapons much faster, so it works as a sort of IRL laboratory tested on human beings.
>>2315971I get too paranoid.
>>2315991The way Muslims avoid charging interest is hilarious. They will sell you the loan essentially at a far higher price that you will owe them. So they technically didn't charge accruing interest but you paid a big upsell cost of the loan amount
Samething
>>2316002Zoomers are such a failed generation.
When we read it in the 00's everyone just giggled at being allowed to say a slur and then we moved on and it stopped being funny once the themes of the book became clear.
>>2315521I would also compare to the similar situation of networked reaction in Korea. More paranoidly, it's the colonial boomerang coming home to the Anglosphere.
Semi-relevant:
- Akihiro Kitada. "Japan's Cynical Nationalism." Fandom Unbound: Otaku Culture in a Connected World, Edited by Mizuko Ito eta al, Yale University Press, 2012.
- Fujioka, Brett J. and DeCook, Julia R.. "Digital cynical romanticism: Japan’s 2channel and the precursors to online extremist cultures." Internet Histories, vol. 5, no. 3-4, 2021. doi:10.1080/24701475.2021.1919966
- Hack, Brett. "Subculture as social knowledge: a hopeful reading of otaku culture." Contemporary Japan, vol. 28, no. 1, 2016. doi:10.1515/cj-2016-0003
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