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Israel's war on Iran was made in USA: Trump supported attacks, while faking peace talks
Israel attacked Iran in an aggressive act of war. The US government supported the strikes, providing intelligence and planning with Netanyahu. Donald Trump cynically used nuclear negotiations with Tehran as cover, as he oversaw the joint US-Israeli operation.
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>0:00 USA supported Israeli attacks
<1:38 Trump's fake "peace talks" with Iran
>3:13 USA provided Israel intelligence
<3:49 Trump gave Israel green light
>5:07 US military helped Israel
<6:01 Marco Rubio's lies
>6:40 Israel: unsinkable US aircraft carrier
<7:15 Netanyahu is an American
>8:07 USA arms Israel
<8:45 USA protects Israel at UN
>9:37 ICC charges Netanyahu
<10:34 Trump threatens Iran
>12:41 Trump's 60 day deadline
<13:37 Iran nuclear deal (JCPOA)
>15:24 Lessons from Libya
<17:24 Israel's nuclear weapons
>18:37 Nuclear weapon free zone
<19:20 Alliance with apartheid South Africa
>20:26 Germany condemns Iran
<21:37 Western neo-colonialism
>22:20 France's Macron criticizes Iran
<23:07 Iranian civilian victims
>24:11 Human shields
<27:29 US & Israel: imperial bullies
>28:44 Iran hits back
<29:13 US military aid to Israel
>29:55 Outro
>>2324361Mossad had an operation where it droned a lot of Iran's air defenses recently
apparently it didn't work.
also, this piece of propaganda released by the zionists of their "drone miraculous operation" today, do you see something off?
>>2324494your zog obsession is driving you insane
get help sandiretard
>>2324498>Also Iran isn't even necessarily close to building one. They've been fear mongering about that for decades.point anon was probably making is iran has had the ability for a long time, just has chosen not to. if (now when) it makes that choice it doesn't take long.
I'm also ambivalent that it really changes anything once they have it though. If Iran wanted to destroy Israel it could do it with conventional methods.
>>2324498once you build one nuke, it is only a matter of time before you have a dozen, and then a hundred
OG madlads like the soviets cranked that number to 45 000
>>2324498The public doesn't really understand how nuclear bombs are built. Going from enriched uranium to a nuclear bomb is fairly trivial as the mechanisms involved are very well understood and publicly available. Iran has been enriching uranium for years for their nuclear power plants, and certainly has enough material for a bomb by this point if they were willing to go all-in on one.
The point is, you don't need much to "research" a bomb, if you have the materials and nuclear infrastructure in place it can be built in a few weeks in one of Iran's hundreds of mountain complexes safe from Israeli attacks.
>Doesn't Israel have several hundred nukes already?Yes, though not publicly disclosed they have at least a hundred nukes that they use to threaten the West to get what they want. That's not really in question. It's not a matter of "Iran will have nukes and Israel will be helpless" but rather "Once Iran has nukes and MAD is fully in place, Israel will be forced to reel back its extremely aggressive politics towards the Iranians as they can no longer act freely without fear of consequences". That's the whole logic of America abandoning harassing the North Koreans, the threat of nuclear annihilation is too great to play that game anymore.
>>2324530israel has hundreds and didn't even use them after getting bitch slapped by iran. nobody is actually willing to use them
>>2324534in the iran-iraq war burgers sold weapons to both sides
>>2324541So in short the exact argument every warhawk in the US has ever given for a new invasion
BIG day for anti-neocon alt-rightoids lmao
>>2324561 (me)
>>2324526another, more recent.
>>2323634>Iran guided Iraq against ISISremember when Iran sold bankrupted Iraq its own jets that it sent to Iran in the 90s while ISIS had half the country?
I memeber
well, nothingburgers can stay dormant.
I have to log off!
for media and updates.
TG:
@NAYAFORIRAQ
@M.B INSIDER (zionist intelligence media, careful with deception)
and
https://x.com/MenchOsint>>2324565Invading Iraq needed like 300k troops though. And this was in a situation where nobody gave a shit and the US was the premier world power which had just feasted on the corpse of it's enemies.
All it takes to break the USA is a few dubiously sourced highly advanced missiles finding their target in an air carrier. These things can have thousands of Km of range.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/06/lies-used-to-justify-war-on-iraq-get-reused-to-wage-war-on-iran.htmlLies Used To Justify War On Iraq Get Reused To Wage War On Iran
>Former CIA officer Larry Johnson opines:
< I believe that Israel’s attack was part of a planned international intelligence and military operation, which included the participation and support of the United States, the United Kingdom, France and Germany. We got the first clue on May 31, when a UN watchdog issued two reports designed to create a narrative that Iran is a rogue nuclear state: …
< This tactic was employed in 2002/2003 to gin up a justification to attack Iraq, who the US insisted had weapons of mass destruction. We now know it was a lie, but the propaganda was effective in producing support in the US and Europe to invade Iraq. We’re seeing a similar effort today, only this time Iran is being falsely accused of enriching uranium to build a bomb. The Iraq WMD lie, like the current calumny against Iran, only has one purpose… justify military action in order to achieve regime change.
>I have previously detailed the current IAEA operation to blame Iran over some alleged nuclear contamination which were found more than two decades ago.
>During the build-up to the 2003 war on Iraq there was another lie that famously used to 'justify' the attack.
>It was alleged that Iraq's leader Saddam Hussein was in cahoots with al-Qaeda, a terrorist group that had been created by the U.S. in Pakistan to fight against the Soviet supported government of Afghanistan.
>Al-Qaeda was alleged to have committed attacks in the U.S. on 9/11 2001. Associating Iraq, which had fought against al-Qaeda inspired groups, with al-Qaeda itself was the second most cited lie used to justify the U.S. war on Iraq.
>It is no wonder than that a similar narrative is now suddenly being build with regards to Iran.
>David Ignatius, the unofficial CIA spokesman at the Washington Post, was told to publish this nonsense (archived):
< But Iran has other means to hit back. One that has received little attention is its relationship with al-Qaeda affiliates. According to former U.S. counterterrorism officials, Tehran has built good relations with the new “de facto” al-Qaeda “emir,” Saif al-Adel, who took over in 2023 after Ayman al-Zawahiri was killed. These former officials say Adel helped manage WMD planning for Osama bin Laden.
< The al-Qaeda affiliate in Yemen may pose a special danger. It’s headed by Saad bin Atef al-Awlaki, who posted a chilling video this month threatening U.S. officials. “Go after the scum of the earth and its greatest criminals,” he urged his followers, naming Trump, Vice President JD Vance, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and former DOGE chief Elon Musk. “There are no red lines after all that has been happening to our people in Gaza,” he said. According to the Jerusalem Post, Awlaki urged Muslims in Europe and America to make sure there is “not a single safe place” for Jews.
>Who would be those "former U.S. counterterrorism officials"? Mike Pompeo, John Bolton, or some other notorious liars?
>Saif al-Adel, the "de facto" never declared leader of Al-Qaeda has since 2001 been rumored to be in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Egypt and Iran where he allegedly was once under house arrest and later exchanged against Iranian hostages held by al-Qaeda in Yemen.
>Over more than two decades the Shia Iran has fought the Sunni al-Qaeda wherever it could. Its operations against Sunni extremist in Iraq and Syria were largely wars against al-Qaeda affiliated forces. In Yemen Iran is allied with the Houthi who are fighting against U.S. supported al-Qaeda aligned groups in the south of the country. A similar situation exists in Lebanon where Iran supported Hizbullah forces have for years feuded against al-Qaeda aligned radicals.
>To claim that Iran is now somehow in cahoots with Saif al-Adel, an alleged but never declared leader of a more or less extinct al-Qaeda, is blatant nonsense.
>David Ignatius is a much read 'opinion leader'. That he was told to trot out those nonsensical claims is a signal for others to pick up on them.
>We can now expect lots of other second rated opinion writers to come up with similar tales.
>It is, like the attempt to associated Iran with weapons of mass destruction, a narrative that will be used to further escalate the current regime change war on Iran. >>2324644It's like they are throwing keywords together because the public has been successfully modeled like an LLM, conditioned to always produce a politically liberal, appropriate response, even if the input is gibberish. Years of posting, reading and finding meaning where there is none and feeding all that data into the propaganda machine.
So now you can just loosely string together
<al-Qaeda<Terrorist<Nuclear<Saddam Hussein<Weapons of mass destruction<Iran<"Death to America"and so on…
And the collective brain of the retard masses will throb, and formulate a legible narrative for those terms to make sense, as a sort of cognitive self defense against dissonance.
>>2324677Kinda, yeah. Most Americans are very low-to-no information on any given thing, for a variety of reasons. What they "know" is based off a lot of schizophrenic and mutually contradictory values that they rarely need to challenge in their everyday life, and most don't have the mental tools to do so even if they did.
The primary concerns of some 60% of Americans is just going to work and trying to pay their bills. Al Qaeda, Iran, they're scary because sometimes something scary happens and they get told that it's because of Al Qaeda, and they don't really know what that is or what that means, so it's just the bad scary thing. But they still gotta go to work tomorrow anyway, so since they can't do anything about it why waste time thinking about it? If the military can make the scary thing go away then fine, that's one less thing to worry about.
>>2324524the whole reason for the fear mongering about "iran's going to get a nuke any second now" has been to handicap their nuclear power plants. that's why the whole iran deal under obama (which trump unilaterally tore up in his first term) was "iran, we'll give you your own money that we stole back to you as long as you let the IAEA into your country to make sure you aren't building nukes"
so for trump to come out and be like "we had to let israel do this" when the US unilaterally ended the iran deal is a bit telling. they always wanted an excuse to attack.
>>2324518Friendship with phonk has ended. ABBA is my new war footage music now.
>>2324720No the fear mongering has always been a ruse for regime change. This is why, when one of the negotiators (who was killed) offered to give up their stockpile of highly enriched uranium, their capabilities for producing more, and was willing to accept extensive monitoring, in return for full sanctions relief was ignored.
Nukes are problematic, but to knee-cap the CPC in the future and achieve total dominance over the middle east, Iran has to fall.
>>2324621Ukraine is problematic. Iran is existential for almost everyone involved. The recent comments by Pakistan's minister of defense, Chinese ambassadors: This might be the moment where they draw a line in the sand.
I'm not saying a world war (pitting the burger reich, Israel, and allies, against Iran, China, Pakistan and their regional allies) will kick off immediately. But this is simply the end of the line. The fall of Iran means the end of much of the belt an road initiatives (with Russian/EU border almost entirely closed), it means total US/Western/Nato/Zionist dominance in the Middle East, and potentially cuts off China from vital energy exports in case of war.
The best case is both sides take the L and return to the status quo, with indefinite "negotiations" which lead nowhere.
But that would require for this position to not be completely untenable for the American big bourgeoisie. Just like this Zionist attack on Iran required wrapping up Syria and Lebanon (latter for the most part). The coming anti-China war mandates wrapping up the middle east first.
This is a lot closer to Serbia in 1914 or Poland in 1939 than people realize.
>>2324720Neocons weren't entirely wrong that the Iran Deal was pretty much worthless as far as preventing Iran's nuclear ambitions. Once again: building a nuclear bomb is not difficult. Trump tore up the Iran nuclear deal at the behest of the Israelis who fully believed that even if Iran was 100% adhering to the terms of the deal, allowing them to enrich uranium for power plants would make building a nuke trivial when they inevitably attack Iran. The Israelis have been planning to attack Iran for decades, so a nuclear-powered Iran is unacceptable. At no point did America or Israel ever actually care whether Iran's nuclear ambitions were true or not, because even if true a nuclear Iran would be unassailable for the Israelis.
I think currently the Israelis are in panic mode over their collapsing public support in the West. Iran has been biding its time, knowing they can just wait it out until America collapses and leaves and then rebuild their influence in the Middle East. This assault was a make or break moment for Israel, and the fact they failed all their initial objectives(crippling Iran's nuclear plants and missile systems) means their only option is forcing America to get involved. I fully expect an Isareli falseflag today or tomorrow on American soil to justify America entering the war on Monday.
>>2324777trips + who is the qt :3?
> I fully expect an Isareli falseflag today or tomorrow on American soil to justify America entering the war on Monday.Do you think Mossad will set off a suitcase nuke and do an OKC style attack!?
>>2324802which is why mass civilian death is the only answer
Khamenei BOMB THE MOST DENSE RESIDENTIAL AREAS FFS
>>2324801>Do you think Mossad will set off a suitcase nuke and do an OKC style attack!?I don't think it'll be that sophisticated probably just some vaguely arab-looking Mizrahis or Iranian Jews attacking a major liberal city, maybe NYC, to shift public opinion among Democrats as the party is desperate to regain control of their base that is rapidly abandoning the Zionists.
>who is the qt :3?idk lol she's all over random pinterests
>>2324839they do not control you
Americans are just to lazy to oppose them so you construct the narrative that they control you
Thus the American oppressor is suddenly the poor oppressed at the hands of the Omnipotent Zionist Entity
>>2324842you are retarded
you need the simple picture of the omnipotent Jew to orchestrate everything
>>2324874this is just like the sneedocaust
#prayforisrael
>>2324888No one's been more vindicated than Brother Kim
Only nukes can save you
Two Major Energy Facilities in Tehran Hit in Israeli Strikes
Tehran’s sky was engulfed in smoke and flame on Sunday after the city’s main gas depot and its central oil refinery were struck during Israel’s latest wave of attacks on Iran.
The Shahran fuel and gasoline depot, which has at least 11 storage tanks, was hit and set afire during the Israeli attack that began on Saturday night, Iran’s oil ministry said in a statement. Shahran is in an affluent neighborhood of luxury high rises.
Separately in the city’s south, Shahr Rey, one of the country’s largest oil refineries, was also struck, according to Iranian state news media. Emergency crews were trying to contain the fire, and a resident of Tehran, Reza Salehi, said he could see the flames from miles away.
Israel’s targeting of Iran’s energy facilities, a crucial source of export cash for the country as well as of domestic energy, represented a significant escalation in its military campaign against Tehran.
Earlier on Saturday, Israel had struck two key Iranian energy sites, including a section of the South Pars Gas Field, which is one of the world’s largest and critical to Iran’s energy production.
But the multiple massive explosions targeting energy and fuel targets in and around the capital spread fear among residents.
Israeli warplanes also struck sites in Tehran related to Iran’s nuclear program, including experimental laboratories, according to two Israeli defense officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share sensitive operational details.
Hamid Hosseini, a member of the energy committee of Iran’s Chamber of Commerce, said Iran’s municipality had been discussing moving the Shahran fuel depot from the residential area in northern Tehran for years, fearing an attack or an accident could be catastrophic.
The attack on the depot set off massive explosions, according to an official at the oil ministry, who said the depots were exploding one after another and threatened to significantly damage residential neighborhoods in the area.
The depot has about 8 million liters per day of gasoline entering its storage tanks and has a capacity to hold about three full days of fuel needs for Tehran, according to the ministry official.
>>2324949Xi is too smart to get involved in this shitshow
Putin is busy planning a 9 month campaign to take a Ukrainian village rich in resources (1 grocery store, 1 football pitch, 12 houses maybe)
>>2324830The US is helping Israel dipshit
Don't fall for the lies
>>23248683 civilians dead
that's nothing
we need 30,000 minimum
until then,
FIZZLING >>2324961fucking asshole
the moment he got 12 readers for his shitzine he thinks he made it big and ignores us
>>2324964lmao china is not falling
Iran had nothing to do with the great victories of the CCP
Iran will have nothing to do with the fall of the CCP (which will not happen)
The CCP-Century is here, with or without Iran
>>2324969Commissar Erik Houdini
The greatest Marxist since Gonzalo
>>2324981I dont
shit page where anything which does not echo their libtardism is deleted or downvoted into oblivion
>>2324981speak for yourself
it's trash filled with smug morons
>>2324982anti-zionism has become too mainstream
It's no longer fringe communist groups opposing Israel now. Even the most normie liberals have awakened. Even conservatives have many anti-zionists among them. The Zios had an impressive run, but they over stretched and now, like Adolf, a bullet in a bunker awaits.
>>2324972>>2324975Heard the same crap about Iran
Get ready to be raped by Big Porky Cock
>>2324986>>2324992>>2324993>>2324994stop coping uyghas. youve all had a tech problem once and had to find a solution on reddit. or you want to check on the community for your favorite show/game and the easiest place to find it is on reddit
theres even good genuine left wing political subreddits like trueanon, deprogram and others
>>2324996Sorry kiddie
The CCP literally does not depend on Iran for its survival and progress
There are some perks to adhering to the Immortal Science and not being an emotional religious moron, you know
>>2324999tech problems have dedicated forums where you get actual help instead of "uhmmmm take it to the Apple Store" of reddit
>favourite shows/gameI do not play games, Im no longer 12 years old
The only show I keep watching over and over again is the sopranos and Borko is the only community I need
Now go cry in a corner redditardo
>>2325001Sorry tardbro relying on numbers alone to bail you out only works if you have a population of a billion
Shut your mouth and kill yourself forever
>>2325011who talked about relying on numbers?
you make up arguments in your head , get help
>>2324999>had a tech problem once and had to find a solution on reddit. or you want to check on the community for your favorite show/game and the easiest place to find it is on redditthats the only reasonable use of reddit
for politics is completely trash
>>2324999Shut the fuck up anytime, uighur. Either go back there and stay there, or delete your account.
I always have and always will support making posts consisting solely of Reddit/Twitter screenshots a bannable offense here. "Wow, look at this terrible opinion of a literal who!" Good fucking job, dipshit.
>>2325019China will move forward with or without Iran
I like Iran and wish them the best, but stop exaggerating.
>>2325029you got your religious feelings hurt the moment I said the immortal science provides strength which no religious retardation compares
fuck off you moron
>>2325029>as relevant as JapanJapan, despite beingcucked by America, did infinitely more than Iran
I like the anti-Pahlavism and anti-imperialism aspect of Iran, but their theocratic side is really holding them back
A socialist Iran would go for the stars
>>2325038the thing is, most subreddits that aren't brigaded by hasbara like worldnews do constantly shit on Israel, no matter what the topic of the reddit is
even on the old school runescape subreddit I saw people shitting on Israel
>>2325035>>2325044India will be more powerful than the EU or Russia this century.
Numbers matter. Unity matters.
>>2325050I wish, but they will not
at least not without major changes in how they do things, which I am very pessimist about
>>2325045it's immortal because it can adapt to any material conditions, no matter time or place
something that liberalism with its retarded "muh liberal vs illiberal is the main contradiction!!!" can never achieve
>>2325056Heilig allen Völkern der Befehl:
Atomraketen auf Israel
>>2325064LIBS HAVE TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME
IF TRUMP SAYS THE SKY IS BLUE, THE LIB WILL CONVINCE HIMSELF THAT THE SKY IS IN FACT RED
>>2325067you dont get it
of course number matters
but it's not enough, you have to root those numbers in science and not reactionary retardation
>>2325080the caste system is a problem but you are oversimplifying things
the 'brahmin plague' as you put it, is a convenient boogeyman
India's problem is much more universal and deeper than the Brahmins
You are trying to apply "DA JOOZ" reasoning to India, it does not work like that
>>2325072never heard of the concept of combined and uneven development? okay
why are you replying to me? commit suicide immediately
>>2325080I also know nothing about India, Anon.
But I'd wager it has more to do with having a fascist government hellbent on "becoming the next China" through neoliberal policies that bring miserable conditions to workers in order to attract western capital. And this is partly enabled by the cold war and the demand for imperialists to "friendshore" their slave labor.
I haven't kept current with stuff but, at least before Azerbaijan got the official status of EU hidrocarbon proxy launderer, there were reports of India doing much of that as well regarding the self sanctioning from Russia.
>>2325079Israelis believed their own propaganda that the Iron Dome was untouchable. Turned out it was just a generic anti-missile defense system that they hyped up to attract foreign military investment.
>Spend billions in US taxpayer dollars developing a system that can intercept bottle rockets>Sign a bunch of contracts with other nations to build the same system for them>The first real test that isn't against bottle rockets causes the Israelis to get totally obliteratedlmfao
>>2325139>having a fascist governmentIndia's government isn't fascist or at least wasn't pre-Modi. It's kinda shortsighted to blame fascism for India's failures over the last century. Neoliberalism yes but Neoliberalism is just the default ideology of the bourgeois. India's government used to be pretty firmly split between hard-line socialists/communists/marxists, far-right religious lunatics, and centrist neoliberals. Over the decades the neoliberals formed alliances with the far-right, as they always do, and India's growth has stagnated ever since.
I can't claim to know a ton about India but I haven't seen anyone talking about India-specific factors for why they can't develop like China did. It's mostly just chalked up to corruption and liberalism.
>>2325250Death toll in Israel rises to 5: ReportThe Times of Israel is reporting that the death toll from an Iranian missile attack on northern Israel has risen to five.
The attack hit the city of Tamra, near Haifa, and all the deaths were of members of the Khatib family, it added.
Tamra is a predominantly Palestinian city.
this is moshe, rabbi, jidf AND mossad btw:
>>2325260they all shared the keyboard for this one
>>2325266Jews and Arabs are cousins so I can’t blame you
They look the same, they sound the same, they have similar names etc
>>2325292No need to get cunty
Not everyone has to be an expert in minor Semitic variations
>>2325202The Iraqi regime's biggest supporters and where most of the Ba'athist officials where from were in the west and north ie the last places to be captured, and Ba'athists (even though they rejected asymmetrical warfare cuz ego) had a complex system of intelligence and arms scattered all over the country (later fueling the insurgency). This all didn't matter as no one was willing to die for the regime. Same applies to Iran, but on the other hand I see the real Iraq war (as later put up by the insurgency) being mirrored in Iran which like Iraqi one would break the back of the US.
The first 3-4 years in Iraq caused the US almost as much casualties as its entire occupation of Afghanistan. This didn't matter because the Iraqi resistance was spontaneous, vaguely united, didn't have political organization and was defamed by Al-Qaeda's (CIA plant) targeting of civilians. Not sure how the Iranian resistance would manage.
>>2325305The Brazilian cunt is gonna end up making me an Israeli supporter if he keeps being a /pol/tard like this ffs
He pollutes every Israeli thread ALL THE TIME
HE IS ALWAYS ONLINE, RUINING EVERY DISCUSSION
>>2325304>>2325311>The Brazilian cunt is gonna end up making me an Israeli supporter if he keeps being a /pol/tard like this ffs why would you say this
this is literally the kind of shit he wants people to say
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT YOU'VE DONE
>>2325321Is because it has a sound similar to the French R
But not quite
The French R is smoother
The Hebrew one pisses me off tbh
It’s like a phlegm is gonna fly out anytime
>>2325336i don't know where that sample is from but people are getting ancient dna from burials all the time nowadays
there are even ancient dna samples from pre-agricultural times in eurasia
>>2325292I have never been to the Middle East, don’t know any Jews or Arabs, and don’t speak Arabic or Hebrew, how the hell am I suppose to tell the two Semitic languages/dialects apart, LMAO.
>>2325277This, its really fucking tragic that two groups that are so similar keep killing each other and can’t hash out some kind of fair peace agreement where each gets their own state, but I guess that’s too much to ask for in a region stuck believing in brain dead bronze age death cults in the 21st century, the one thing that zionists, evangelicals, and islamists all have in common, LOL.
>>2325348How do they know the corpse is from an Israelite? Could be from a Roman, a persian, a Phoenician etc
Genetics is great and all but the more they try to establish links with these millennia old people the more skeptic i get
It makes me think
Lysenko was right >>2325349>I have never been to the Middle East, don’t know any Jews or Arabs, and don’t speak Arabic or Hebrew, neither have i and i can. retard.
> its really fucking tragic that two groups that are so similar stealth ashkenazi jews are the indigenous people of the land comment
>>2325349Still nothing compared to the Yugoslavs lol
They’re literally the same but refuse to admit it lmao
>>2325364(I actually say why he's wrong and try to educate lurkers)
>>2325362(Sandi Retard just talks like a poltard and educates nobody)
>>2325367it's not about "protecting zionist feelings" it's about educating people instead of stooping to the level of a troll
>>2325368Lenin wrote thousands of pages in his life trying his best to educate people in an incredibly backwards country and never once did he go "well these people are unreachable so I'll just call them stupid faggots" even though he had to write, copy, and print things by fucking hand and didn't have a worldwide communication network at his fingertips. it really is embarassing how people here think actually having to use their brains and explain themselves and reeducate people is "not worth it" and "too much work"
>>23253975 deaths is too few to whip out the saxophone
Harden your heart Khamenei
Being a Cuck is haraam
flatten Tel Aviv >>2325395>hellisn't that where israelis rose from the depths of? why would i go there to samba?
i don't even like samba…
>>2325401Your lazy Brazilian ass can only salsa, tango or samba whatever the fuck you retards dance in your favelas with your transhumanists
The Jews are getting expelled to O Brasil
Prepare your fat asses
Moshe about to shove Christ the Redeemer up yours, Retardão
>>2325411Your Pele ass cannot bitch about racism
You wanted to play that game, I’m all for it
I hope your cybercafé is not closing anytime soon, O Retardão
>>2325409They dance passinho in the favelas, not salsa, tango, samba, or whatever.
It's midsummer here so we're all dancing the quadrille.
>>2325365The vast majority of Jews have positive perceptions of Zionism and back the existence of Israel as a Zionist state whatever concerns they may have about it's management. And let me tell you, it ain't gonna get any rosier if Israel collapses. All the Zionist filth will go into the "diaspora" and infect it. And for all the memes about dual citizenship:
1)Most Israelis do NOT have dual citizenship. Nor are they the stereotypical yuppies that go on Aliyah.
2)Zionism is a western project, to protect western economies from a more independent MENA and will continue being supported.
3)Most Zionists are neither Jewish, nor reside in Israel ,anyway.
So however you cook it, the fall of Israel is not going to dissolve Zionism into a butthurt generation that peters out. It would just spread the scum around and they would still count with the unflinching institutional support of many states. Zionists would continue to be a weapon, and their claim over Jewish identity would continue if not be reinforced.
For example, the vast majority of non-Israeli Jews are in the USA, which is also the main sponsor and beneficiary of Israel. So at the very least, Israel gone, the Zionism would still thrive there, and probably in the rest of NATO. And you can guess they would incentivize, the majority of Israelis and Jews converging there.
Also, Israelis and generally Zionists tend to be insufferable entitled bitches that are much to accustomed to their protected class status, and would be poorly received pretty much anywhere else they are not pampered.
>At least three people, including a 10-year-old boy, were killed and about 100 injured after a wave of Iranian missiles struck cities along Israel’s central coast near Tel Aviv, according to Magen David Adom, the country’s national emergency service. Three people died in an earlier barrage in Tamra, in northern Israel, bringing the total number of people killed in the overnight strikes to six.
>A research center at the Weizmann Institute of Science, a prominent Israeli university in Rehovot, in central Israel, sustained severe damage and caught fire after an Iranian strike.
>Alan Monziani, a 31-year-old Ph.D. student from Italy living in a dorm at the institute, said he was shaken by the destruction he saw when he stepped out of a shelter. “One side of the cancer research center was missing most of its walls — it was hard to tell whether it took a direct hit or was struck by shrapnel, because it was engulfed in flames,” he said. He added that the blast’s shockwaves shattered windows in nearby buildings.
>>2325197:^)
Both sides bad.
>>2325446I don’t care tbh
I just wanted to talk shit and channel my inner Sandinista
Threat to close Strait of Hormuz is Iran’s ‘trump card’
More on Iran’s threat to close off the Strait of Hormuz, a vital point in global energy transportation.
Jamal Abdi, the president of the National Iranian American Council, described the threat as “Iran’s trump card”.
“It’s a major form of deterrent, and it’s a threat that Iran has made before, but obviously never put into action. The view is [that] this would sort of strangle the global economy, have massive economic impacts, and it’s a very small body of water, so the type of sabotage necessary to make that a choke point, Iran likely does have,” he told Al Jazeera.
“We’re seeing the checklist of bad things that people have warned about for years, about what this war could look like, potentially coming into reality, and the Strait of Hormuz would be, I think, an action that would in the minds of a lot of world leaders, and in US minds, would be something that would then be used to say, ‘OK, you need to get involved and help support the Israelis against the Iranians’,” he added.
>>2325472I hope every US and Israeli occupier goes to bed with fear at night
With a fear that rivals the fears of the children of Gaza
>>2325506What investigation do you want lol?
Japan for the japs, it’s really simple
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2325538 (me)
*is NOT about nazism
>>2325534Because of Sunni-Shia rift
In Pakistan Shia Pakistanis who are in government or in high positions like banking often hide it or downplay it to prevent extremists from killing them
>>2325443I disagree on quite a few things but you bring up decent points.
>And let me tell you, it ain't gonna get any rosier if Israel collapses.As long as they're no longer terrorizing the middle east I don't care if they terrorize burgerland.
>So however you cook it, the fall of Israel is not going to dissolve Zionism into a butthurt generation that peters out. It would just spread the scum around and they would still count with the unflinching institutional support of many states. Zionists would continue to be a weapon, and their claim over Jewish identity would continue if not be reinforced. I actually think this would be beneficial for humanity if Zionists can no longer lean on Israel as a unifying state actor to sponsor their bullshit ideology. Even if all the zionists come to America to take over some random ass state like mormons in Utah I really doubt they'd have the same level of political influence they currently do in charge of a nuclear power. For as much as religious fanatics are insufferable, the Mormons(and Scientologists, and every other religion that doesn't have its own nation-state) have pretty minimal political influence outside of their bubble. Let the Israelis take over Wyoming as their new "Jewish Homeland" and kick out all the white people, I don't really care. They can be racist Zionist pieces of shit all they want in their little American Fiefdom. So long as they're geopolitically isolated it'll be a very preferable situation to the current Middle East crisis.
>>2325548No gay sex is not bad but you liberals are obsessed about it
You haul your American culture wars bullshit and try to view every country through it
If you didn’t, you would understand jPanese peoples opinion on immigration isn’t very different to Moroccans for example, or Botswanese
Open borderism is liberal retardation
(USER ALREADY BANNED) >>2325422>>2325413Since so many are talking about me, the so-called “both sider” who is being accused of being a “Zionist”, let me just say that I agree that Israel is the primary aggressor since the six-day war (this was an unjustified attack which should have never happened, and which caused the USSR to cut relations with Israel and fully switch to supporting the Arab side), and that they should have agreed to give the Palestinians a state along the 1967 borders decades ago. I also think it is fair to say that the Gaza war is an obvious genocide of Palestinian civilians carried out by the IDF.
Where I disagree with the board consensus, and sort of stray from the typical hardline “Anti-Zionist”, position is that I think that though it is would of obviously been much better if the Jews could have stayed in Europe, instead of mass migrating to Palestine, considering the circumstances of the Holocaust and the fact that Jews and Arabs are both Semitic ethnic groups, the Arabs probably should have accepted the 1948 partition agreement, and I think the Stalin USSR position on this was more justified then modern Communists want to admit. This dosent negate the fact that what Israel did in the Naqba was horrific, unjustifiable, and a genocide/ethnic cleansing, but it is tragic that the 1948 agreement couldn’t have been peacefully implemented, and I do think both sides were to blame for the violent unraveling of it tragic disaster which followed, and which is still unfolding as we post here.
I also think that Hamas fucked up with the October 7th attack, as all this did was provide the Fascist Natenyahu an excuse to completely genocide the Palestinians, while dealing only limited damage to Israel. Believe me, I get where Hamas was coming from, in that they have been placed in an open air concentration camp and subjected to regular massacres by Israel, while the West Bank is slowly colonized by violent Israeli settler, but as cathartic as it might have been, October 7th was a long term catastrophe for the Palestinians, and could be viewed in the future as the final death knell of any hope they will ever get a state if the Trump-Natenyahu ethnic cleansing plan is eventually implemented.
Finally, as a secular Communist I am not big on the fact that both sides of this conflict, with the exception of a tiny minority of Israeli leftists and some small Palestinian Communist groups like the PFLP/DFLP, are extremely brain dead reactionary death cult theocrats, so its hard to be optimistic about the future of the Middle East, LOL.
>>2325538You're a hitlerite (liberal) and there is nothing wrong with that as long as you don't share my class
We'll meet when you're against the wall
>>2325568ok but the USA
is fascist
>>2325556Capitalist nationalism: bad
Socialist nationalism: good
Average MLkiddie
>>2325551Oh shut up uyghur, beating up women is also tradition in countries like Turkey are supposed to be tolerant of local traditions in this case? Or infanticide in Mexico and such? When people talk about homophobia in Eastern Europe we're talking about people being killed or made homeless by their own parents for being gay, this is absolutely not "culture wars brainrot"
And i do not mind countries raising immigration barriers, in and on itself. But anons here go way beyond that, and some people explicitly support Japan banning foreigners from buying land which is crazy. Again i think a lot of this came from people fundamentally misunderstanding the Israeli problem as "foreign settlers buying land" not "foreign settlers committing genocide"
>>2325455Genuinely sad. Not just the dead kid (reports are up to dozens might be dead total this night, including 7 from one family). But that through this dumb war - which the Zionists themselves started by outright murdering Iranian negotiators after Trump stated multiple times he would NOT allow it - everything they build and achieved might be lost too. This whole state exists on the back of both the holocaust, the nakba, and the post-1945 expulsion of jews from Arab states.
And instead of appreciating what they have, what they've managed to build, and perhaps atone for some of their past decisions, they've decided to squander it all.
This night is also basically what Gazans have had to endure for almost two years now. Not saying that's a good thing, but part of me hopes at least some Israelis make the connection after tonight and change their minds because of it.
>>2325534Haven't checked if there's an actual source. (can't the read the full handle) But this is what I predicted would happen. There's just no way Islamabad will tolerate either Iran going full Syria, or having a Pro-Zionist and especially Pro-Indian Iran on its borders. It's existential, it's the "Ukraine joins NATO" of the middle east.
>>2325555It would have been better in the same way that getting stabbed in the gut instead of getting shot in the head is better.
Ultimately Israel is an imperialist project and a two-state solution would just cause them to utilize other methods of subjugation.
>both sides of this conflict, with the exception of a tiny minority of Israeli leftists and some small Palestinian Communist groups like the PFLP/DFLP, are extremely brain dead reactionary death cult theocrats, so its hard to be optimistic about the future of the Middle East, LOL.You really need to learn your history bruh.
The fact that the Middle East isn't secular isn't some accident or inherent quality to the region/people. It was a deliberate policy by the US and Europe. Iran used to be secular before the US staged a coup.
>>2325597nta but I think Hamas correctly calculated that keeping Netanyahu in power is the best possible path to destroying Israel, and to do that they needed to unite Israelis around him with the Oct 7th attack. I don't think Hamas was especially considerate of the lives of Palestinians or the lives of Lebanese or Iranians in their plan. They're all just "martyrs" because Hamas's singular goal is the destruction of Israel.
In that sense, Oct 7th worked out pretty damn well.
>Force Netanyahu to suspend elections and fill his cabinet with far-right lunatics that will be "tough on Hamas">Force Israelis into destroying Gaza and murdering 100,000-200,000 innocent civilians while the world watched>Created a situation where Israel is rapidly becoming the center of the world's anger towards imperialism>Turned the Israel/Palestine conflict into a major political issue in the US elections>Got Israel to commit to a war with Iran that will likely lead to mass Israeli deaths and a huge backlash against Netanyahu as the IDF cannot winI think this is actually working out pretty well for them. The only thing Hamas probably didn't expect is the mass deaths of Hezbollah from the beeper explosions.
>>2325581>>2325586>>2325591I agree with you guys that the Zionists were bad faith actors who ultimately wanted to genocide the Palestinians and steal their land. I just think that the Arabs still should of accepted the 1948 partition agreement, so they would have been able to claim the moral high ground when the Zionists inevitably screwed them over, instead of launching a failed attack which backfired and played into the Zionist agenda to genocide them.
>>2325587This is the right answer.
>>2325594I told you that I sympathize with why Hamas attacked on October 7th, I just think it backfired on them and played into the Zionist agenda like what happened back in 1948, because Hamas never had the military capability to ever defeat Israel, due to no powerful country backing the Palestinians, which is both one of the many tragic consequences of the USSR collapsing, and an indictment of China/Russia being in bed with Israel and Iran being pathetically weak.
>>2325601I understand that the US destroyed all secular leftist Arab nationalist movements, but that dosnet take away from the fact that region is now filled with tons of reactionary brain dead theocrats on both sides of this conflict, which makes it extremely hopeless from a secular Communist perspective.
>>2325610kek
>>2325619They really seem to have the understanding that they can really let loose and say the quiet part aloud when they are speaking in hebrew. Even while english language israeli media is despicable the Hebrew language media meant for internal consumption only is like a another hellworld of bloodthirst and scumminess.
>>2325628I hope Iran closes the strait of Hormuz soon
Be like “let me show you why it’s the Persian gulf not the Arabian one bitch”
>>2325628they will not listen
T-T
>>2325631oh trust me i know first hand the diffrence
there was two IDF pages on xitter, the english speaking one had your typical liberal support israel posts meant for english speakers, and the hebrew speaking page literally had the worst things i translated, like soldiers sharing in the pages their favorite mathods to wire an apartment for explosion or a checkpoint guard bragging about how many girls he forces to undress daily
>>2325689>I value survival.What does survival mean? Survival of your ideology? Survival of your nation-state? Your own personal survival? Survival of your organization?
Hamas is going to win.
>>2325675>they know when to back the fuck off, which is why they gave the Sinai back to Sadat and are now begging for de-escalation through indirect channelsabsurd gaslighting LMAO
your example on how zios "know when to back off" is them trying to fool the iranians into another "deal" right after attacking them
they will always continue to be hostile, if the palestinians took your advice they'd probably not exist by now
Houthis launch second wave of attacks on Israel
This latest wave of attacks overnight, from Saturday into Sunday, sent Israelis running to their bomb shelters repeatedly.
This time, Israel says that the missiles are coming not only from Iran, but also from Yemen, from the Houthis.
This is the second time the Houthis have done this in this latest wave of attacks.
They carried out a first missile launch on Tuesday. They said they launched two missiles, and in response, Israel bombed the Hodeidah port, which is held by the Houthis in Yemen.
The Houthis say that they’re involved in these attacks on Israel out of solidarity for the Palestinians, following the start of the war on Gaza. There was a pause in Houthi attacks, which launched drones and missiles previously to Israel when there was a ceasefire back in March, but as soon as Israel broke the ceasefire, the Houthis started launching missiles again. They are an Iranian supported group in Yemen.
If military installations have been hit, we wouldn’t hear about it, because there is military censorship in Israel. So we only hear if Iranian missiles have gotten through Israel’s Iron Dome and hit civilian targets. And we’ve seen that happen in both Tel Aviv and in Haifa.
>>2325635>The couple has three sons, with one of them serving as chief of staff to entrepreneur Peter Thiel.[60] >>2325679>>2325684Yes, unironically.
Not all but who gives a shit, it's an ungodly amount of people and he's like some background villain pulling levers. He funded Hulk Hogan's lawsuit against Gawker because they outed him out of the closet, also maybe them posting some stuff on Epstein had something to do with it. He also was behind the "millennials are poor because of avocado toast" meme
I only bring this up because I remember watching gamergaters like Carl of Swindon praising the death of Gawker and repeating the avocado toast thing. While my friends were posting Sam Hyde. Imagine fucking knowing all of this had some connection.
I wish I was a schizo because someone could make some insane infographic out of this. I'm just pointing out internet shit, not the big oligarch stuff that matters. But it goes to show you reactionary retards don't all come to their talking points on their own, and they don't all get popular just because they're talented.
>>2325684>jew jew jewtoo late for /pol/ to pretend they didn't support this and weren't supported by this
it's to deflect guilt
>>2325682They overextended with Iran. They didn't overextend with Gaza. The only issue they were having prior to Friday is how they were going to sell their "Final Solution" or at least find a place to deport all the Gazan survivors to.
>>2325695Survival of your country, community, family, way of life. Any combination of those.
Something the Finns and Chechens (see Ahmed Kadyrov) succeeded at. And Hamas increasingly hasn't.
>>2325704> they'd probably not exist by nowBased on what? Go ahead and please explain how accepting a compromise with Israel, recognizing it, ending the blockade, and then spending 30 years building alliances and an economy as a internationally recognized state, before trying anything radical would have immediately resulted in the end of the Palestinian people.
>>2325707Pathetic. But no, I'm not going to cheer on killing nine-year-old kids even if their parents were literally Ben Gvir or Smotrich because some here find my lack of sadistic glee "cringe".
>>2325739>They overextended with Iran. They didn't overextend with Gaza. The only issue they were having prior to Friday is how they were going to sell their "Final Solution" or at least find a place to deport all the Gazan survivors to. Indeed, but I think there's some irony in the fact Israel's hubris turned a sure-win in Gaza into a near certain defeat because they thought they could stand up to Iran.
>Survival of your country, community, family, way of life. Any combination of those.The thing is Gaza didn't have any of that. Israel was already determined to exterminate them. They were doing mass sterilization of Palestinian women, murdering all the men, kidnapping their children, etc. The "status quo" would've resulted in the annihilation of Gaza within a generation. I don't think you know what you're talking about insinuating they should've bided their time or negotiated a truce. The West Bank did that and all it means is Israelis constantly murder and kidnap their people while endlessly expanding settlements into their territory. Oct 7th and Israel's response guaranteed that will NEVER happen in Gaza because Gazans wish nothing but death on Israelis now.
>>2325739>Based on what? Go ahead and please explain how accepting a compromise with Israel, recognizing it […]stopping you right there because the PLO did recognize israel
>, ending the blockade, and then spending 30 years building alliances and an economy as a internationally recognized stateand then none of this did, just ziorat promises (AKA lies)
>>2325752the victims?
one druze palestinian child, two persian monarchists and another holocaust survivor
>>2325103you are super imposing the class system of today on caste identity
while th brahmins have some power, you are making it too simple
Even if all brahmins disappeared, India would still be a shitshow
India's problems are much deeper
>>2325587>>2325630you two are morons.
Arabs couldn't "build either strategic reserve or stall Israeli expansion diplomatically" when the US, the sole superpower unscathed after WWII decides to stomp in the middle east for their economical sustain.
Shut the fuck, and go back to reddit.
>>2325675>Their refusal to recognize Israel at all is also idiotic.Hamas?
Hamas since a long time ago wants a two-state solution. No regional faction is not accepting the two-state solution.
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