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>>2325153>>2328286It is insufficient.
>I was at one and there were a healthy amount of anti billionaire anti oligarchy signsThis is not calming. Any actual anti capital protesting going on in No Kings WILL be co-opted by liberals. And as this guy said
>>2328296Those anti billionaire and anti oligarchy signs may be more specific than they seem. Targeted against certain administrations and governments rather than the whole system.
The real movement is not to be mistaken for anything immediately visible or materially effective. It is not a union drive, not an insurrection, not a protest encampment. Those are symptoms, at best. The real movement is what underlies them: the historical current that abolishes the present state of things while remaining largely undetectable, especially to those looking for results. It proceeds without fanfare, outside headlines, and ideally without anyone declaring what it is. The moment something calls itself the real movement, it isn’t. The real movement doesn’t need to prove itself because its reality is theoretical, and thus more enduring than anything that might happen.
The real movement isn’t something you join, or even something you see, at least not right away. That’s the mistake people keep making. They think it has to look like action, like results. But the real movement is deeper than that. It’s the underlying shift, the transformation that’s already happening beneath appearances. It doesn’t announce itself. It doesn’t need recognition. In fact, the more visible something is, the more likely it’s just spectacle, recuperated, commodified, neutralized.
The real movement abolishes the present state of things not by confronting it directly, but by rendering it obsolete. It’s slow, uneven, often imperceptible. But it’s real precisely because it doesn’t depend on affirmation. You can dismiss it, ignore it, laugh at it, but it keeps unfolding. That's how history actually moves.
>>2328440"Marx has been like a blight that creeps in and kills everything it touches to European socialism, an immense power for evil, numbing self-thought,
insinuating false confidence" The Marxist deterministic faith in the inevitability of things should by steadfastly opposed by any sensible socialist, we must actively prepare to assert our revolutionary will – not await passively some predestined capitalist collapse.
>>2328345>>2328350he's making fun of
>>2328306 you retards
>>2328497I understand the frustration, but I think that interpretation of Marxism misses something important. It's not about waiting passively for capitalism to collapse under its own weight. It’s about recognizing that there are underlying forces shaping events which are the patterns that emerge whether or not we approve of them. Marx didn’t call for resignation, he called for clarity.
The idea of the “real movement” isn’t that we sit back and let history do the work. It’s that revolutionary action becomes effective when it aligns with the direction things are already moving. That takes analysis, patience, and, yeah, some humility. Charging ahead with sheer willpower might feel more heroic, but without grounding, it often just burns out or repeats old mistakes.
I don’t think determinism and agency are opposites. Understanding structure is what gives action its weight. Otherwise, all we’re doing is asserting ourselves loudly into the void, hoping volume will substitute for strategy.
>>2328583Zoomers love Adam Sandler
>>2328594This will kill his campaign
When we speak of the real movement, we are not referring to what is merely visible or loud. There are many actions and protests that claim urgency, but their immediacy often masks their lack of depth. Those are surface ripples, fleeting responses shaped by circumstance rather than by the deeper forces at work.
The real movement is something else entirely. It moves beneath appearances and beyond slogans. It is real because it is connected to the material conditions that shape consciousness itself, not just momentary expressions of dissatisfaction. What is not real is what can be co-opted, packaged, or easily dismissed. Those things serve to stabilize the system even as they seem to challenge it.
The real is not about spectacle. It is about substance, continuity, and an unfolding logic that cannot be undone by temporary setbacks. The real movement persists quietly because it is grounded in the contradictions that will not be resolved without fundamental change. Recognizing the real means learning to see beyond the immediate, beyond the obvious, to what endures beneath it all.
>>2328523The movement is a result of the willful and intentional action of the proletariat, if the movement is not developed enough then it must be developed by the action of the conscious elements of the proletariat, it will not do so by itself.
>>2328537>revolutionary action becomes effective when it aligns with the direction things are already moving.Revolutionary action becomes effective when it determines the direction things are moving, otherwise things are moving in result of the actions of the bourgeoisie.
>Charging ahead with sheer willpower might feel more heroic, but without grounding, it often just burns out or repeats old mistakes.Charging ahead with sheer willpower, in a heroic, that is aggressive, manner, is the only method by which the proletariat can reject bourgeois paralysis and set the movement of the classes upon a road to revolution.
>>2328615>The movement is a result of the willful and intentional action of the proletariatWillful, intentional action is a symptom of the movement.
>if the movement is not developed enoughThen you aren’t going to do very much. It doesn’t mean you’ll just be sitting necessarily, but you aren’t going to force it like that. Anything you do is a symptom.
Of course, those movements rushing to be seen and applauded are textbook bourgeois theater. They flaunt their hashtags and slogans like status symbols, trading depth for applause. The system loves them because they turn rebellion into a spectator sport, neat enough to scroll past, loud enough to distract, but never sharp enough to cut.
They mistake their own noise for meaning, as if shouting louder somehow bends reality. Visibility is not victory. It is a performance carefully choreographed to make resistance look like a trend rather than a rupture. By craving recognition, these movements willingly pass the baton to the very powers they pretend to defy. It is revolutionary consumerism: dissent packaged, branded, and sold back to the masses with a smile.
But this is not just clumsy co-optation. No, it is far more refined. These movements fence themselves in without knowing it, building broad arenas for many voices but shallow waters where the status quo never drowns. The real movement does not bother with spotlights or applause. It is a quiet undercurrent, inscrutable and patient, thriving in complexity and obfuscation. Because real change, true fundamental upheaval, cannot be commodified, rushed, or celebrated in fifteen-second clips. It requires waiting, watching, and knowing when not to be seen at all.
>>2328681>Zohan is tasked with capturing his long-time arch-rival, Fatoush "Phantom" Hakbarah, a Palestinian terrorist who also possesses superhuman traits. After engaging Phantom in a fight, he fakes his own death and subsequently smuggles himself to NYC. Phantom's supposed success in killing Zohan garners him much fame across the Arab world, leading him to open the "Phantom Muchentuchen" restaurant chain.
>Michael subsequently befriends Zohan, taking him to his apartment, where he lives with his mother Gail. Zohan encounters a fellow Israeli immigrant, Oori. He recognizes Zohan and vows to keep his true identity a secret before bringing him to an area in Lower Manhattan predominantly populated by other Middle Eastern immigrants, including Israeli and Palestinian Americans.
>At Oori's suggestion, Zohan attempts to secure a job at the salon of a Palestinian woman named Dalia. As he lacks experience, she only allows him to sweep the salon's floors without pay, because her salon is facing financial difficulties. When a stylist unexpectedly quits, one of the customers asks Zohan to cut her hair, and he accepts.
>Zohan is identified by a Palestinian-American taxi driver Salim. He then meets with his friends Hamdi and Nasi, convincing them to help him kill Zohan. After unsuccessfully attempting to contact Hezbollah, Salim contacts Phantom in Amman, Jordan. He threatens to publicly disclose the truth about Zohan being alive, but Phantom makes a deal with him and prepares to find Zohan himself.
>Meanwhile, Zohan has fallen in love with Dalia, but she rejects Zohan because of his military background. He decides to quit, hoping to keep her safe from any inter-ethnic strife. Zohan later confronts Phantom in a championship Hacky Sack game sponsored by Walbridge. However, the confrontation is cut short when he learns that the Middle Eastern neighborhood is being attacked by unknown assailants.
>As their businesses burn, Zohan calms the Israelis and the Palestinians, as both sides blame each other for the violence. When Phantom appears, he confronts Zohan, who refuses to fight after being deeply inspired by Dalia's pacifism.
>Dalia then discloses that she is Phantom's sister and convinces her brother to cooperate with Zohan against the arsonists, who are revealed to be a group of white supremacists on Walbridge's payroll. The Phantom works with Zohan to save the block. The arsonists are defeated, and Walbridge is arrested by the police; however, the overexcited Phantom accidentally destroys all the remaining shops with his superhuman screams.
>With the Israelis and Palestinians now working together, the block is rebuilt and transformed into a collectively-owned mall. Zohan and Dalia, having now married, open a beauty salon together. Zohan's parents visit from Israel and approve of his new job and lifestyle. >>2328684The comparison to Calvinism show you completely missed the point. This is not about some fixed fate handed down from above that we simply accept. It is about carefully studying the conditions that shape history and understanding how change actually happens. It is not resignation or passivity. It is a commitment to acting with clarity and awareness, not reckless hope or blind faith.
To suggest it is anything like predestination ignores the role of human agency that is central here. We don’t wait helplessly; we prepare and act in ways that are informed by the realities on the ground. It is about working within the contradictions of the system, not surrendering to them. So no, this is not fatalism disguised as theory. It is a serious approach to revolution grounded in analysis and patience, not divine decree or blind acceptance.
>>2328802Communists in America must cease the futile endeavor of imposing an abstract blueprint upon the material conditions of the present. The real movement is not a construct of voluntarist agitation or hastened rupture. It is the objective dialectic of capital’s contradictions unfolding within the fabric of society. Our role is to discern where these antagonisms concretize and to intervene in a manner consonant with the existing relations of production and class struggle.
This requires eschewing premature generalizations or theatrical displays of militancy. Instead, we must cultivate praxis that embodies the negation of the commodity form and alienated labor in the quotidian without succumbing to the fetishism of immediacy or spectacle. True revolutionary praxis aligns with the historical process, patiently advancing the conditions for proletarian self-emancipation in a manner that transcends superficial agitation. The real movement is therefore neither accelerated by rhetoric nor defined by mass visibility. It is an immanent, material process whose unfolding we must interpret and inhabit with theoretical rigor and strategic patience.
>>2328835Then you misunderstand entirely. It is not a question of resignation but of orientation. To act without understanding the terrain is not freedom, it is flailing. You speak of directing or altering history, but without grasping the forces in motion, such direction is imaginary. The seriousness I emphasize is not a justification of passivity, but a call to shed illusions and locate the concrete levers of transformation where they actually exist, not where we wish them to be.
You reject my conception of reality, but reality does not require your consent. It exerts itself regardless. The task is not to wait but to read, to interpret, to intervene where contradictions sharpen, not where the ego demands action. What you call fate I call the dialectic. To refuse its movement because it is not to your liking is not revolutionary. It is idealism draped in urgency.
>>2328604no we dont
kevin james on the other hand…
>>2329102I didn’t make that meme,
>>2329098 this guy did. Learn to read bitch.
>>2328859>>2328754>>2328665>>2328612>>2328560>>2328537>>2328834>>2328476>>2328440All ChatGPT btw. I was trying to coach it to be subtley satirical.
https://chatgpt.com/share/684f6b1e-9fd8-8005-9788-4877a7a24476If you're interested in how I was prompting it.
(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST) https://houdini-magazine.itch.io/little-sermons-in-socialism-by-abraham-lincoln I updated the 1910 pamphlet Little Sermons in Socialism by Abraham Lincoln to a book version, and am hoping to get this printed and properly published soon
I think this is a strong piece of propaganda that would be very useful right now. I added a selection of bible verses and overhauled the formatting to give it more of a proper book feel, plus some additional materials to make it more worthwhile. I think the religious angle is strong and important to play into for specific parts of the working class, Lincoln is well, Lincoln.
This works to combat the "socialism is godless and anti human" propaganda of the red scare while also showing that socialism has always been part of the conversation here.
>>2329198mostly reformatting the work so that it is easier to read and process, this is really designed to be the type of thing you give to someone who might not know anything about socialism. I have had entirely too many uber drivers to have given me sermons on greed and the pharisees without a lick of socialist knowledge to know that we gotta meet people where they are.
Am worried about this coming off patsoc or revisionist tho, but propaganda isn't for the people who have already gotten the message you know what I mean?
Maybe if your discussions weren't indistinguishable from LLM slop you wouldn't be trolled so easily. I was trying to purposely get it to be stupid as satire of the assinine discussions you get into here everyday.
<Baristas, as a class fraction, occupy a peculiar position within the reproduction of bourgeois social relations. They do not own capital, true, but their function is deeply embedded in the circulation and aestheticization of consumption. The barista mediates not production in the classical sense, but the presentation of consumption as lifestyle, as identity. In this way they serve not merely coffee, but the ideology of personal taste and curated experience, all under the guise of casual labor.
<Their labor reinforces the petit-bourgeois fantasy of ethical consumption and individualized rebellion. The workspace becomes a theater of distinction—latte art, reclaimed wood countertops, hand-stitched aprons—all masking the commodification of leisure and the deepening abstraction of social life. Baristas do not exploit labor directly, but they perform a stabilizing function for capital. They make exploitation palatable. They aestheticize alienation.
<In this role they are not revolutionary subjects but custodians of soft bourgeois ideology. They do not confront the relations of production; they foam milk over them.
>>2329205>mostly reformatting the work so that it is easier to read and processMakes sense, glad to see it.
>Am worried about this coming off patsocHow do we avoid this? When we meet the people where they are, do we tail the most reactionary sections of the people? No, if we did that, then we would become patsocs. And this would entail taking the most backwards aspects of American history and saying that all socialists must embrace these aspects because the (most backwards sections of) the people also embrace them. No, we must meet the most progressive aspects of the people where they are. If we are to use US history and religion to do so, then we must separate the most progressive aspect of US history and religion from the rest to do so.
Follow the guideline of uniting with the most progressive sections of the people, and you will avoid becoming a patsoc. Once we have brought the most progressive sections of the people to our movement, then we win over the intermediate. And once we win over the intermediate, then we convince as many of the backward sections that we can.
As for being a revisionist, you aren't a Marxist, so I don't know what specific advice I could offer you. I guess you should find the most fundamental principals of anarcho-communism, and make those your North Star, so to speak.
>>2329236Are you not paying attention? The LLM doesn't have a mind. I could've coached it to get it to be a closer approximation of the real conversations I've seen here time and agian.
<Baristas are not proletarians. They are the curated face of capitalism’s soft power, the voluntary stewards of aestheticized exploitation. Unlike factory workers, who are embedded in the material core of value production and whose labor is indispensable to the functioning of capital itself, baristas exist almost entirely in the realm of capitalist ornament.
<They do not produce commodities. They sell ambiance. They are not the exploited core of the economy; they are its lifestyle clerks, its affective decorators. Their labor revolves around crafting the illusion that capitalism can be personal, ethical, even artisanal. In doing so, they actively mystify the reality of class domination. They speak the language of “community,” of “connection,” while participating in the daily reproduction of bourgeois ideology in one of its most insidious forms—friendly, caffeinated, and thoroughly defanged.
<They are closer to the class they serve than to any revolutionary subject. Their grievances tend to be aesthetic, their politics steeped in moral affectation rather than material analysis. They romanticize their own servitude, valorizing alienated labor because it comes with a pour-over technique and a tattoo. Factory workers break their bodies in silence; baristas livestream their discontent with hashtags and merch.
<No, they are not comrades. They are the ideology of late capitalism in an apron.Main problem is ChatGPT has it's particular smarmy writing style baked into it that you can't prompt out of it.
>>2329249I’m starting a study group, but the issue is that I’m the most theoretically educated person in it.
>>2329239It’s really not hard to find parts of the Bible that reinforce a socialist outlook. At its core, if these people truly are Christians, then using progressive rhetoric within their own belief system makes far more sense than trying to start from scratch.
If someone has no college education, to them, Lincoln is the guy who saved America, freed the slaves, and lived in a log cabin. The average American has roughly a sixth-grade education level, so we have to factor that into our outreach. Lincoln? They know Lincoln. Jesus? They know Jesus. You meet them where they are. You speak their language. You build from that foundation.
The sermon aspect implies that the person reading this is either presenting these parts as a sermon series or interpreting them as such. This means the book could serve as the basis for a study group. It’s a tool—and since it hasn’t been republished, we can use it to generate funds. That money can then go toward growing the magazine, brand, study groups, and outreach, all of which are key parts of the five-year plan to reach the masses.
>>2329177Waste of time. Just bring mask, goggles and guns.
>>2329193Might as well complain about smart phones, grandpa
>>2329274>I’m starting a study group, but the issue is that I’m the most theoretically educated person in it.That's no issue at all. Learning is not a one way process. Even the less educated members can teach you things, and offer up critiques that are valid. It's up to you to keep and open enough mind to evaluate these things on a case by case basis. And eventually, they will be up to your level, and their critiques will require much less interpretative work on your part. This is all part of the process.
>f someone has no college education, to them, Lincoln is the guy who saved America, freed the slaves, and lived in a log cabin. The average American has roughly a sixth-grade education level, so we have to factor that into our outreach. Lincoln? They know Lincoln. Jesus? They know Jesus. You meet them where they are. You speak their language. You build from that foundation.Amen to that ;^)
>>2329260>I've read similar dogshit takes in the past, interesting that you can get Gippity to write them as wellYeah that's the whole point. A fucking machine can make the stupid arguments about absolute nonsense just as well as any of the what I assume are real people having them here every day.
>>2329265>I was only pretending to be retarded as a social experimentI wasn't pretending to be anything. That was all a glorified auto correct with light prompting and editing from myself. That's about level and value of the "Marxist" discussion you fags always shit this thread up with.
>>2329264>I can coach chat gpt to deny the Holocaust at poltard levelNot really. It's almost impossible to get it to anything controversial. It's almost impossible to get it to even take a hostile tone. If I used a better LLM that wasn't so trained to have a certain character and censor topics and etc. I could get way more convincing posts easily.
But that's the whole point. You are all "debate addicts" as some like to say here. Like debate club. You enjoy the act of debating and will delight in making whatever spurious argument just to enjoy the act of doing it. But like you said, you can just easily tell an LLM to make the same fallacious arguments. You people, academics and philosophers in general are just walking talking LLMs.
>>2329322>>2329329Ok Grok was just worse. Can't coach it to do anything even halfway believable. Reminds me of older versions of gippity.
https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMg%3D%3D_84980259-b099-49d2-b6c5-790bd6ed7410Last reply after a few iterations of coaching:
>Baristas aren’t proletarians, and if you think they are, you’re mangling Marxist theory. Proletarians produce use-value, transforming nature for social reproduction—think miners, machinists. Baristas? They churn out exchange-value, slopping overpriced coffee for bourgeois parasites who jerk identity their status fetishism to it. Their labor is superstructural, a cog in the ideological apparatus of capital, not the base of production. They’re no labor aristocracy either—just petty-bourgeois in spirit, peddling commodified culture. Their alienation doesn’t make them revolutionary; it’s just the cost of propping up consumerism. Class isn’t wages, it’s your relation to production. Baristas serve capital’s spectacle, not the historic mission of the proletariat. Don’t @ me with reformist drivel—I’m not here to organize, just to expose your theoretical slop.2nd to last:
<Baristas are bourgeois. Full stop. They’re not proles sweating for use-value like factory workers. They sling $8 lattes to tech bros, feeding the cultural machine of capital. It’s superstructural labor, propping up consumerist trash for the managerial class. Exploited? Sure. But they’re still a labor aristocracy, complicit in the spectacle. Their “unions” are a pathetic reformist LARP—begging for tips, not smashing private property. If you call them proletarian, you’re lost in liberal fog. This is class analysis, not a debate. Stop whining and read some Marx. >>2329218Can be boiled down to
>It's the baristas' fault they are forced to serve coffee to consoomerist bourgeois and some well-off workers in order to surviveHmmm… shifting the blame by wordceling. Where have I seen this tactic employed before?
>>2329269<Trump word salad coaxed into a "Silent Majority" speech>But the enemy is unspecified, hinted to be the forces of "the left"Are you smelling what the US is cooking yet? You are going to get your fascist revolution whether it's communists or mindfucked liberal cucks the forces of the state are clobbering, in the name of stamping out the internal enemy.
His deportation campaign is just a way of signalling that fascist escalation is a-ok government approved. Trump is just tasked to push things as far in that direction as possible. Sooner or later the liberal left will turn on you as well and denounce you as agents of China.
>>2328268>countered become or coopted by No Capitalists
otherwise you're just gonna be ACP tier
>>2328296People hate Musk because he's some rich billionaire cunt with an insane influence over our lives. They can also easily be informed about Thiel and his connections to Musk and his insane influence, and every other billionaire oligarch which that have already. And with that you have the groundworks for them hating the whole upperclass
You guys love fucking giving up and refusing to see anything useful and common with average normie libs, it's not fucking 2016 anymore, what is whiney defeatist bullshit god I hate this board sometimes
>>2329456The rebellious bishounen anti-authoritarian lucifer is communist
The baby eating father of lies lizard lucifer is a chud
>>2328993You can tell just by looking
the driver is a Long Islander
>>2329498WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SOMEBODY
THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SOMETHING
>>2329218One day Haz and Hinkle will be hanging from a tree. They would be based if they were a Maoist third wordlist but they just like the most reactionary amerilards
Didn't read btw I just felt like saying that.
>>2329414>>2329501This fat fuck fled on foot and the cops still couldn't catch him
Really fish, or porky
>>2329573Elias is based, but his targets were nowhere near as powerful as 2 senators.
Ultimately, the Zionist entity is just an appendage of the Great Satan, America. America MUST be destroyed if you want to destroy the Zionists.
Our goal should be to take every possible action which degrades, discredits and destroys the United States government. There is no better way to do that than physically eliminating it.
If there were any leftists in America worthy of being called Communists, they would be doing this sort of thing constantly. Most of these "people" don't have full time security, and their addresses are public knowledge. It's really not that hard, as has been demonstrated in Minnesota.
>>2329573anarchist adventurist disavowed by the vanguard party (PSL), actions like this are never acceptable. we will beat them at the ballot box.
If you aren't with the PSL at this point, helping us push towards winning the midterms with the Dems? You aren't a real revolutionary.
>>2329638Evidently not. Watch, he's next going to post that quote from the South African Communist Party about the "pure detonator theory" to justify his own inaction
>>2329642Because he's been doing this song and dance for years at this point and has nothing to show for it. If he really wanted to destroy America he would have actually done so by now
>>2329636>>2329633Because individual action is both suicidal and pointless. We need an army, not a few lone wolves.
>>2329665Killing two US senators does a lot more to hurt the cause of international Zionism than does shooting a low-ranking embassy employee.
>>2329607Hoping this is bait but if not: participation in voting is fine to get press and grow organization but actually thinking it will accomplish anything is foolish.
>>2329615Guy had more guts than most, guts socialism needs. PSL is unable to harness this.
>>2329683>Jewish stateLove it when they drop the fake pretense of being some liberal democracy and just say they want to exclude Arabs and be racist.
>>2329720Was he diagnosed with a mental illness? Which one?
>>2329769>But they did thoughThey didn’t
>To be fair they also got a lot of zoomer females as well so This also didn’t happen
>>2329855>Nothing is real.By definition it is not.
>>2329855>We are all chemical and electrical signalsOk, they have become self aware and have a sense of continuity, from which we derive our develop our identities.
>>2329855>>2329870If you guys are right then you should be perfectly fine dying for Israel.
>>2329885Only in Papua New Guinea.
>>2330009Do you think the democrats are opposing Trump? Can you point to me where the democrats are opposing Trump?
I think this board is very funny. You can get a few million people on the streets and you react with confusion at best. 10 people spray paint ACAB on a public toilet now, holy shit THIS is how we win.
>>2330342You are an idiot that did nothing and Lincoln lifted millions of people from effective subhumanity. End of the story.
>>2330344You are an idiot that did nothing and Lincoln lifted millions of people from effective subhumanity. End of the story.
>>2330370To be honest he could make the argument that african-american music and it's derivates have been a debasement of music, which is what Adorno said. But regardless, the creativity of the african-american ethnicity in the popular arts shields them from the "subhuman that cant generate anything" status, even from a ch.ud worldview it do not make any sense to say they have never contributed to anything besides picking cotton.
You also need to be aesthetically attractive and creative in order to subvert such an important art as music. So even if you think Miles Davis's Dark Magus is chaotic non-music, it still resonates with people both high opennes elites and provincials a lot.
>>2330298>he was gay?No, Abe Lincoln lived in the era before humans were domesticated into soulless neoliberal consumer NPCs who mindlessly sort themselves into marketized categories so that capitaist demons at Grindr or whatever can sell your data to finance ghouls in Wall Street.
"if you send a love letter to your friend or sleep in the same bed, you're gay" - soulless bugmen
>>23299701. Kill the boer
2. shoot to kill
3. brrrrrrrrrrap - PAH
>>2330474Probably? Was Lincoln the one with the mouth full of slave teeth instead?
What did Washington do? In my head they've always been the same person i think now you mention it.
>>2330531We're already involved with Iran, American troops using American equipment as part of the American military intercepted drones and missiles to protect Israel.
That's one of the main reasons why Israel was able to carry out this attack, because they know the US will intervene when Iran responds.
>>2330700I hate how this is actually decent propaganda.
>implying a black KKKEven predicted Kanye West.
>>2330699>Holy fucking shit. Some of us. Maybe most of us are actually retarded They both sit in the same place in american mythology, no?
To be fair anon i am not american, i should not be expected to distinguish between them.
>>2330971Gen-Z is seen as a highly valueable commodity and yet their stock value is overvalued. I think the libs figured that out over the cons these days.
>>2330975nah
>>2331003>Gen-Z is seen as a highly valueable commodityNo
>>2331065>401k>2025>>2331064The actual protests are being effective.
>>2331084>occupy Wall StreetOccupy wall street and the anti ICE protests were created under very different conditions. They are not the same at all.
>Whole thig was funded by billionaires to screw trump1.who cares if it screws Trump? Is that a problem or something?
2. Only the No Kings protest was funded. Everything else is grassroots.
>>2331087I guess you’ve never heard of Anecdotal Fallacy before.
>>2331081>>2331090One thing I think is consistent with this group is that they do things in such a way that everything has to go according to plan. They don't handle well is unpredictable variables being introduced in their situation. It's the same with the matching uniforms, there's no individuality allowed. It's like Step 1: Get in truck. Step 2: March towards Pride people. Step 3: Pride people get scared. But what if they don't get scared, but get angry? Uhh, run away?
As a subsection of that, it's very common in right-wing politics to view masculine energy and a soldier spirit as being incompatible with sexual liberalism. I keep thinking, do they think people at a Pride parade will let themselves get bullied by them? That is not at all the case.
>>2328258NO T(y)RAN(t)S=
No transWtf
>>2331155>strasseristThe Nazis always clung onto """anti-capitalist""" rhetoric. They just replaced class antagonism with class collaboration (yo if we all work for the glorious volkisch state we won't have class divisions or something) and anti-capitalism with anti JEWISH capitalism.
And if you fight JEWISH capitalism too violently, you are a redfront marxist Jew or something.
>>2330817designed by palantir
>>2331071Don't worry line will keep going up forever. Trust Blackrock.
>>2331265I had did a piece when they first announced the attack but the fog of war + amount of energy needed to provide actual coverage, dunno if it's in the cards for me rn.
I would LOVE a write up from someone else though, that's one of the reasons we accept and encourage submissions. The more submissions we get the more we can cover, I've been so busy with IRL shit this last two weeks as well.
I do plan on talking about it in this IRL discussion group we have planned though.
>>2331358Which one, Joe Slovo wrote a lot of stuff.
I hope you read 10 years of Umkhonto We Sizwe or Prospects for Armed Struggle in South Africa, which are probably his best works.
If you really want to get gigabrained, you should keep working and read the works that Slovo quotes in his texts. The Green Book, Strategy and Tactics of the ANC, The Struggle Continues by Oliver Tambo and especially "The Revolutionary Way Out" written by the SACP.
>>2331426Real answer?
Someone convinced him that global warming will cause Russia's permafrost to melt into farmable land and he extrapolated that to Greenland and thinks he can make another Louisiana Purchase type deal by buying Greenland while it's frozen, as if the Danes won't know any better.
>>2331511Christian music was always big and giant pop singers like Swift actively write songs to appeal to them, just without using the title "christian."
>>2331610Liberal society has many problems and dysfunctions. Don't like the way thing are? Maybe you need therapy! Don't change society, just try thinking about things differently!
Of course people will move away from this non-answer to their material problems. Evangelicals are waiting in the wings and will give people social networks, primitive safety net, order to their lives and a sense of social cohesion.
>>2331728It's too late nerds, you've been gassed and are now incapacitated.
You need to practice more, and get the proper filters.
>>2331771Leftists need to go beyond book clubs and bring back the Breakfast Program. Create local community organizations, charities and give people social structure.
>>2332044It's a "deal" they can't refuse.
>>2332036>iran signs "deal" with obomber<heheh we give you the money we stole back to you one penny at a time<in exchange you kneecap your own nuclear power plants and let the IAEA sniff around all the timeiran: "ogey"
>Playgolf Tweetler elected first term <Eye Ran you are mean to israel and you have nuclear and hillary is letting you steal our money that we stole from you<I will tear up very bad deal where we give you back our money we stole from you in exchange for you shooting yourself in kneesiran: "ogey ogey"
>Genocide Joe elected<beer brew here ooh earthrider thanks for the great lakes<no you can't have the deal back, that's in the past, fat. my hands are tied and that was donald duck's falt, man, c'mon, you aint blackiran: ",,,ogey"
>Trumplestiltskin erected agen<ok are you ready to sign another deal that we'll just tear up for no reason even if you hold up your own end?iran: "…………………no"
<wtf this is literally antisemitism you are trying to get nuclear wtf DIE DIE DIEHow are people falling for this? >>2332859going to go check them out again. they got swept last night but the anarchists are back. right now they are sort of in a holding pattern, ICE got several dozen of them.
i am sitting in a meeting now trying to figure out how to organize something around this. we can't allow revolutionary energy to dissipate and become unconnected with the mainstream of struggle.
>>2332900All the big socialist movements happened around war so this obsession with anti-war peace action is counter revolutionary. There's a Marx quote that goes something like "the immiseration of the proletariat preludes revolution" (I'm not looking up the exact quote) so the idea that revolution happens out of thin fucking air or out of a bleeding heart for the third world is pure religious thinking. Lenin called the people who supported peace in the second international a bunch of opportunists for a reason.
The other option is a slow death of the world.
>>2333109Thanks r/ultraleft I know that. I know what revolutionary defeatism is that text takes 5 minutes to read. The war is what caused the conditions for the overthrowing of the tsarist government, along with the assistance of Germany towards the Bolshevik coup, which paid off with the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. This would never have happened without the environment of a war.
Neither was I supporting campism anywhere in that text. That's just low literacy on your part.
>>2333116>Neither was I supporting campism anywhere in that textDid I say that?
>. The war is what caused the conditions for the overthrowing of the tsarist government, along with the assistance of Germany towards the Bolshevik coup, which paid off with the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. This would never have happened without the environment of a war.OK that's true but you said
>Lenin called the people who supported peace in the second international a bunch of opportunists.which is not what happened. he called the people who supported their own countries opportunists
>reddit ultraleft blah blah blah??????????? touch grass
>>2333166>>2333239If you guys live near an elbit site please organize PA for your country?
That stupid 'radical' bobo with the cunt name tried it but fucked it up as he's a fed.
>>2333368Kim uses the word comrade in his speeches so often, it's comfy:
>I believe that comrades, with their youth in their hearts, will embed in their minds and bodies the patriotic spirit of a strong man who performed brilliant feats on the battlefields of national liberation and defense, and will bravely overcome any storm and continue on the path to victory.<Workers and workers in the shipbuilding sector, all comrades of the working class of Chongjin Shipbuilding and Rajin Shipbuilding!As well as lines often being punctuated with simply 'Comrades!'. This text uses just 'Comrades!' as one line seven times;
http://www.kcna.kp/kp/article/q/37bca39e754f42000f558d30ec6da5fd.kcmsf >>2333460>x-city is like GothamRead a different comic book
They're also all already New York.
>LA is NYsentences uttered by the clinically retarded
>>2333542he can also ride a horse
I would like to see trump ride a horse
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