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>>2323679 >>2325178correct them or rope
your snark does zilch
Reposting
>>2325138The mass demonstrations definitely helped. There's nothing more popular than popularity.
I think though that Bernie also benefitted from being personally likeable, having a message that resonated, a coherent vision of the future, but most importantly of all a strong bureaucratic institution behind him to induct and onboard people. One of the Dem party's few virtues was its organizational ability to connect, collect, and conduct people. A major fault I've seen with local socialist orgs is that they manage to interest people, who come to a meeting or two, see how disorganized or directionless they are, and lose interest and drift away.
>>2325176The donothing-ism of leftypol is a genuine brainrot, I think most people here are thoroughly demoralized and alienated beyond belief.
Or are only interested in leftism if it means they can post on imageboards all day.
>>2325208communism is when you gamble on countries to save you
communism is when you randomly decide that the people you're talking to are wealthy white liberals who smoke weed and have orgies without knowing anything about them in order to wiggle out of having to explain yourself
>>2325225To make fun of retards like you who think communism is liberal activism and to discuss current events with people who actually know what the fuck they’re talking about aka not you. Don’t you have a pussy hat to wear or something?
>>2325228Because Russia and America are identical. Actual fucking retard right here
>>2325258>Natodeath to nato
>israeldeath to israel
>usaiddeath to usaid
>immigrantshaha one of these things is not like the other magafaggot
>>2325132isn't that another schizo
like a less popular less right wing larouche, but just as culty
>>2325231Majority of the people attending probably want to choke Schumer and Jefferies with their own intestines, they just go there because it's the closest and most accessible protests they're aware of
People are getting angrier, don't cry
>>2325255>I feel like its just taking up pace to prevent anti-war protests against Trump's and Israel's unprovoked and illegal war on Iran.To a certain extent, yeah. People are unhappy with Trump, but dem voters were pissed with their party. They really want them to "do something" about Trump, and the official line coming from party leadership is "no."
So the progressive wing is taking advantage of popular discontent in order to a) direct energy towards their midterm candidates and b) prevent any actual resistance from forming outside of the party.
So one of the tasks of actual communists right now is to try and recuperate these discontents and keep them from getting sheepdogged in the Dem party.
>>2325211This
That is why I'm pro MAGA
>>2325255If republicans can become anti-western anti-NATO solely because they think Ukraine is libtarded and Biden, libs can and have been more open to viewing the increasing escalation of war as trump's fault and adopt anti-war anti-zionist position
the suits no, normies yes, and they'll love to be anti-war again
Probably harder with the No Kings thing, but people were waving Palestinian flags in the LA protests and "people" still called them libtard gusanos because only libtards care about their neighborhoods not being militarily occupied
>>2325288And that's his intention and I'm just picking up what he's putting down, finally you communist democrats are getting it
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
>>2325208>wealthy white liberalsare they all tho
people here said that about LA too
what do you think about boat dealership owners at jan 6, honest question for anyone with this position
>>2325263Not to say that radicals shouldn't practice info sec but I feel like one way or another you're going to end up on government surveillance and for a radical ending up in jail shouldn't stop your radical activities.
Like other anons have said, try and keep your identity covered, but your org should be planning for its members to end up in jail.
>>2325294Holy christ.
Was the military parade today in the US the worst military parade in modern history? I've only seen parts of it but it looks genuinely awful, soldiers out of sync and can't even march cohesively, tank drivers not staying in formation, drones dropping out of the sky a few times, like what the fuck lmao.
>>2325263There were plenty of genuine radicals at my local protests today and despite being 100F a ton of people still had their faces and heads covered.
A guy with Mao on his shirt was waving a sign about Palantir and telling people to cover their faces, especially with all the journos around and people recording everything.
>>23252621. Russia had bolsheviks while america doesnt
2. america isnt backwards
3. the average american would rather off themselves if they can't go shopping in the mall anymore
>>2325343I usually love saying that Americans are worthless fat docile creatures but I'm starting to regret it
Certain people love saying that only when people attempt to do anything at all, just to shame anyone for even trying to start the first steps away from being fat and stupid
>>2325369>ferguson unrest tightly related to BLM>hmm how convenient of you to ignore blm, hmm must be a conspiracyu okay fren
>>2325366Your expert critical analysis turned you into a defeatist pussy?
>>2325355>I usually love saying that Americans are worthless fat docile creatures but I'm starting to regret ityes, our job as communists is to educate people and not dehumanize people
would you have learned how to use the potty if your parents had just smeared your face with shit and called you a worthless animal every time you pooped your diaper? no, someone had to hold your hand, make you sit down on the potty, and be patient with you. teach you how to wipe and to flush and to wash your hands
>Certain people love saying that only when people attempt to do anything at all, just to shame anyone for even trying to start the first steps away from being fat and stupidyes
>>2325394lmao
You didn't ask a question, you threw an insult and got upset when it came back at you. Then you lap as some community organizing wise sage. You're not organizing anything but your browser tabs, retard. Keep playing pretend faggot this is hilarious.
>>2325489WE GOT A CASUALTY
REVENGE
>>2325552>Can you not into English? The design is the flag. No, it isn't you fucking retard. THIS is a flag. A design is not a flag, it's a different word. Taking a flag and wearing it as a cape, a skirt, turban, whatever is what you're thinking about.
>cnbcI don't give a fuck about nike cancelling some bullshit products, you're fucking stupid.
>>2325583Thats why I can’t help but laugh even though I should cry
Because even though everything is going to shit it’s going to shit in the stupidest way possible
>>2325589<The United States Flag Code establishes advisory rules for display and care of the flag of the United States. It is Section 1 of Title 4 of the United States Code (4 U.S.C. § 1 et seq). This etiquette is as applied within U.S. jurisdiction. In other countries and places, local etiquette applies.>The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed, or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use. Advertising signs should not be attached to the staff or halyard.>The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform, except that a flag patch may be used on the uniform of military personnel, firefighters, police officers, and members of patriotic organizations. >>2325589I don't give a fuck what your dumb libshit cnbc article says about it. Eat my dick.
If you take an ACTUAL US flag and cut it up to make a bikini or a cape, that's a different story. That used to be illegal under state desecration laws. Some of those laws are still on the books.
THE FLAG, not the design.
>>2325603My god you dumb motherfucker. You don't know what you're talking about. I gave you the code right here:
>>2325600You are fucking illiterate. The flag is in fact the design. Flag means a cloth flag, but it also means the fucking design. Are you ESL or is this how far literacy has fallen in our country?
>>2325605>but it also means the fucking designNo it doesn't, retard, otherwise it would say "the design of the flag" not "the flag".
THE FLAG is not the same word as "design".
Are you ESL?
>>2325611This is just getting goofy. What is this image? Can you recognize it? What would you call it?
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title4/chapter1&edition=prelim>The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed, or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use. Advertising signs should not be attached to the staff or halyard.>The flag …should not be …printedHow can we print a literal cloth flag?
>>2325612>I can't believe posting titty flag pic caused an argument about the fucking flag codeIt's even dumber than that. Literacy has fallen so far that every conversation needs to turn into an English lesson. Common core education.
>>2325629Yes. The US flag should not be printed on a hat, it should not be printed on a mat, it should not be printed on a bat, Sam I am. How is this so hard for you to understand.
>The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed, or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use. Advertising signs should not be attached to the staff or halyard.>The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform, except that a flag patch may be used on the uniform of military personnel, firefighters, police officers, and members of patriotic organizations. >>2325638That's not the flag you dumb fuck. It's a design meant to look like one. Look at the stripes, they don't even go the same direction as the flag. Look at where the stars are on the underwear they're on both sides!
Holy shit you're so stupid!!!
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title4/chapter1&edition=prelim>The words "flag, standard, colors, or ensign", as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America. >>2325645It says that a picture or representation counts as the flag only if the average person, without thinking too hard, would believe its the U.S. flag. That's exactly why modified designs, different number of stars, alternate colors, artistic variations fall outside that definition. They dont "evidently purport" to be the flag. Theyre clearly inspired by it, not representing it. That's the whole point of the design differences.
Now shut the fuck up, retard.
>>2325643It's written in legalize you idiot. They wrote it in no uncertain language you ginormous idiot. There is no ambiguity in the language.
>>2325645Just keep rereading this paragraph until you understand it. It answer every stupid question you've raised 10 times in a row.
>>2325650>It's written in legalize you idiot. They wrote it in no uncertain language you ginormous idiot. There is no ambiguity in the language.Read what I wrote here
>>2325649 then fucking kill yourself
>>2325357>sudden flood of "please don't do anything" and extreme defeatismDon't make me tap the sign:
<Lenin: What Is To Be Done? BURNING QUESTIONS of our MOVEMENThttps://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/> There is no middle course (for mankind has not created a “third” ideology, and, moreover, in a society torn by class antagonisms there can never be a non-class or an above-class ideology). Hence, to belittle the socialist ideology in any way, to turn aside from it in the slightest degree means to strengthen bourgeois ideology. There is much talk of spontaneity. But the spontaneous development of the working-class movement leads to its subordination to bourgeois ideology, to its development along the lines of the Credo programme; for the spontaneous working-class movement is trade-unionism, is Nur-Gewerkschaftlerei, and trade unionism means the ideological enslavement of the workers by the bourgeoisie. Hence, our task, the task of Social-Democracy, is to combat spontaneity, to divert the working-class movement from this spontaneous, trade-unionist striving to come under the wing of the bourgeoisie, and to bring it under the wing of revolutionary Social Democracy. The sentence employed by the authors of the Economist letter published in Iskra, No. 12, that the efforts of the most inspired ideologists fail to divert the working-class movement from the path that is determined by the interaction of the material elements and the material environment is therefore tantamount to renouncing socialism. If these authors were capable of fearlessly, consistently, and thoroughly considering what they say, as everyone who enters the arena of literary and public activity should be, there would be nothing left for them but to “fold their useless arms over their empty breasts” and surrender the field of action to the Struves and Prokopoviches, who are dragging the working-class movement “along the line of least resistance”, i.e., along the line of bourgeois trade-unionism, or to the Zubatovs, who are dragging it along the line of clerical and gendarme “ideology”. >>2325660>A fierce struggle against spontaneity was necessary, and only after such a struggle, extending over many years, was it possible, for instance, to convert the working population of Berlin from a bulwark of the progressionist party into one of the finest strongholds of Social-Democracy. This struggle is by no means over even today
>But why, the reader will ask, does the spontaneous movement, the movement along the line of least resistance, lead to the domination of bourgeois ideology? For the simple reason that bourgeois ideology is far older in origin than socialist ideology, that it is more fully developed, and that it has at its disposal immeasurably more means of dissemination. And the younger the socialist movement in any given country, the more vigorously it must struggle against all attempts to entrench non-socialist ideology, and the more resolutely the workers must be warned against the bad counsellors who shout against “overrating the conscious element”, etc. The authors of the Economist letter, in unison with Rabocheye Dyelo, inveigh against the intolerance that is characteristic of the infancy of the movement. To this we reply: Yes, our movement is indeed in its infancy, and in order that it may grow up faster, it must become imbued with intolerance against those who retard its growth by their subservience to spontaneity. Nothing is so ridiculous and harmful as pretending that we are “old hands” who have long ago experienced all the decisive stages of the struggle. >>2325670You are just factually wrong,
>The words "flag, standard, colors, or ensign", as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.> by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.If the design is recognizable as the representing the US flag, it is against the code.
>PicrelThe design on the hat.
> by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.Any average person without deliberation understands that it represents the US flag
meaning that it should not be printed on the hat.
>>2325700>who cares about any fucking flag LMAOI don't really. I just made a simple point about how flag clothing isn't actually patriotic and is actually a desecration of the flag by the code. Then this guy start spazzing out about some shit he is unfamiliar with instead of familiarizing himself with what he's spazzing about.
Also on that topic. People who put up all those flag decorations are also breaking flag code.
>>2325716In these threads, yeah. Outside them, we still have a good bit of coverage and insider info.
>>2325720Medic bag
>>2325701Only if it's non-US men cumming on it
I have no respect for this rag
>>2325733but they broke the heckin flag code
the CODE
>>2325767>Holy fuck u motherfuckers are still talking about flag shit. Stop taking the bait.Leftypol is a proud vexillologist board sir.
>>2325750Destroyed. "Patriotic??!?!" Napkins?!?!?! THIS AGAINST THE CODE!!!
>>2325176You are reducing political critique to a performance test:
>if you don't do the thing you claim is better, your theory is fakeThis is not an argument, it's moral policing.
It's like saying:
<unless you personally start a revolution, shut up about revolutionIt's a moralistic disqualification, not a rational counterpoint.
Clarity is the prerequisite for any real action. Instead people here replace critique with a demand for instant action, "action" completely in the abstract too. Instead of debating what kind of political practice is effective, it turns everything into a callout about personal failure.
>>2325176I went to my local one. It was stupid. I actually went to one before they did and it was almost exactly the same. They haven't figured out their PA system at all. First one I went to, I think I could kind of hear the speaker, but there was no possible way to see them from the back of the crowd. This one, not only could I not see, it was impossible to hear them from relatively close to the stage because they had no speaker facing that direction. I even went back in the crowd where they had a speaker setup, and then for some reason, it just cut out. So eventually I found places I could hear the speakers and you guys would really go bananas at all the libshittery. Well I'll tell you the last one I heard I remember, but this lady said:
>Every man here, do protective–?? I don't know progressivism? I don't know something like that about how the men need to protect the trans! (Cheeer) the non-binaries!(cheeer) the woman! (cheeerrr) and everyone!>so every man here needs to make sure that everyone gets back to their cars safely, because the working people can't afford to get arrested.<Also make sure to go up to one of these many lovely police officers and thank them for their service and protecting the communitysomething like that. I tried to get it as accurate as I could. I'd have to really stretch my mind right now to get it word for word, but I think that's pretty accurate.
>>2325767While impassioned arguments about Flag Law is kinda funny, Euros forget Americans are made to pledge allegiance to the flag every day at school until they graduate high school. Just make everything in the world covered in them make people go crazy.
And putting 50 stars in a flag is a stupid design choice making it even worse.
>>2325780Will result in nothing because a right-winger did it. Fizzle.
>>2325827To read too many posts is harmful.
t. Mao
>>2325810>bipartisancringe
he's focused on internet issues so as long as he sticks to that, I guess
>>2325901White isn't an ethnic group. Even as sordid as the history of the concept of whiteness is, it was a concept that served to remove ethnic division.
And while certain ethnicities enjoyed greater establishment and influence, like the Anglo-Saxon Protestants, the United States wasn't a country specifically founded for them or around them. This can't be said for most nations in the old world. I didn't claim that the United States was founded as a perfectly equal pan-ethnic utopia.
>>2325986http://weforum.org/people/shyam-sankar/>Brought to the US from Nigeria to escape the violence and corruption that the country faced at the time. Developed an early love of software, going from engineering degrees at Cornell and Stanford to stints as a developer, start-up founder, and executive at Xoom, a payments company serving the developing world. While each of these experiences imparted knowledge, it was family's journey – from upheaval, through several entrepreneurial failures, to establishing firmer footing – that most profoundly shaped aspirations. Joined Palantir in 2006 as the first business hire. Today, as President at Palantir, oversees all customer engagements, product strategy, and day-to-day operations worldwide. >>2325956Imagine being a career soldier and some rich techfag skips all training and dealing with army life but gets handed the position above you. Then he nasally commands you to die for Israel.
These guys will end up getting fragged once there is a real war.
>>2326012There's a few Asians and Hispanics. One Black guy almost cut out of frame.
>>2325827>This is not an argument, it's moral policing.It's not "moral policing" to tell you to talk with your fellow Americans, twat.
>It's like saying:><unless you personally start a revolution, shut up about revolutionNot at all, this is what I'm saying:
<unless you have a better methodology to go about starting a revolution, shut up about revolutionWhich is 100% true if you're just at home not doing shit, stinking up your room
>>2326043True. AP must have had a laugh when they saw the photo.
On the whole trump's birthday parade has unexpectedly brightened my mood.
>>2326062literally me
>>2326162Obv this irish nazi would think that since most of his knowledge of a roight proppa military march came from watching German goose stepping edits. In Anglo armies they prefer quick march which resembles fast walking , you can see this too with ex-anglo colonial forces like in India or Nigeria
The problem with the US isn't because they walked but because their movement isn't uniform, their formations nearly breaks at some point. If i have to hazard a guess Trump either announce this parade without giving the Army enough time to prepare or there is some infighting between Pentagon and the tech CEOs
>>2326314how can this not go through liberals thick skulls
they think because the democrats are more surgical and clandestine in their repression that they're the radical opposite of the republicans
>>2326332AES deserve strong borders to prevent brain drain
imperialist countries deserve weak borders so that they are overrun by the victims of imperialism
it's that shrimple
>>2326326I HATE THE FREEMASON OCCUPIED GOVERNMENT!(FOG)
I HATE THE FREEMASON OCCUPIED GOVERNMENT!(FOG)
>>2326273what's the fcuking point of a military parade if the soldiers goose stepping will look to scary to Timmy
wtf burgoids
>>2326404Trump lost the dick measuring competition not one to Putin, but to Macron of all people!
Oh shame shame shame!
>>2326592he’s so mad that he got caught
Yeah bro try and claim twitter posts are arguments worth debating some more, real big brain shit
>>2326604You’re replying to multiple people, halfwit.
>got caught What are you a cop with משטרת ישראל? Or do you just write and act like a toddler?
>>2326630We’re on an anonymous medium where reactionaries have a reputation for astroturfing, in a thread where we get 4chan halfwits all the time.
Yes, I’m incredulous and will assume someone is acting in bad faith when they spend days sperging out conflating anti-Zionism with anti-semitism
>>2326686just call everything bourgeois "bad"
the BAD millionaires the BAD landlords the BAD imperialist wars
>>2326768Survey questions:
>Item 1) Abortion should be illegal.>Item 2) The government should take steps to make incomes more equal.>Item 3) All unauthorized immigrants should be sent back to their home country.>Item 4) The federal budget for welfare programs should be increased.>Item 5) Lesbian, gay and trans couples should be allowed to legally marry.>Item 6) The government should regulate business to protect the environment.>Item 7) The federal government should make it more difficult to buy a gun.>Item 8) The federal government should make a concerted effort to improve social and economic conditions for African Americans.These are all topics which are relatively divisive among the right, with some supporting (or at least not caring about) things like gay marriage while they're pretty much unanimously agreed upon by the Democrats.
>>2326768this image has been making the rounds and would've been nice for dunking on liberals if they didn't already know they're full of shit
the underlying study never went far left enough to be applicable to anything but the radlibs here,
though >>23267841 no 2 yes 3 no 4 yes 5 yes 6 no 7 no 8 yes
some of these are just retarded questions.
>All unauthorized immigrants should be sent back to their home country.anyone who says "yes" is ignorant, retarded, or wants the country to implode.
>>2326789That's arguably why the republicans were more "diverse", because the republican positions on most of those topics are braindead takes which anyone who cares to think about it would disagree with.
So a decent chunk of self-identified republicans will agree with the democrat stance while the opposite rarely happens.
>>2326972precisely my point
the PSL and DSA is already a political force, now it can become a genuine political opposition.
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