What's happening now
• Fresh blasts: Iran launched a new barrage at Israel on Sunday evening, with an explosion seen in the coastal city of Haifa. Israel said it began another series of strikes on military targets across Iran amid international pleas for diplomacy and de-escalation.
• Trump rejects assassination plan: Two US officials told CNN the US president rejected a plan by the Israelis to kill Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his spokesperson have denied the reports of such a plan.
• Terrified civilians and rising death tolls: The hostilities have killed at least 224 people in Iran and 14 in Israel, according to local authorities in each country. As Tehran residents flee the capital, Iran’s Ministry of Health said at least 1,481 people had been injured since Israel launched the wave of attacks on Friday.
• ‘Weeks’ to go: Israel’s operation against Iran is expected to take “weeks, not days” and is moving forward with implicit US approval, according to White House and Israeli officials. US President Trump said his country “had nothing to do with” the Israeli attacks but later acknowledged that US involvement in the conflict is a possibility.
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-strikes-news-06-15-25Reposting here before I'm again accused of "not replying">>2328352Yes and? If tomorrow the US military started bombing "imperialist" Burundi, Bhutan and Paraguay are you going to to argue we should remain silent as well, or cheer on the collapse of these states in favor of some vague "regime change", in complete absence of a socialist or militant trade unionist mass movement?
I'm not saying the Iranian working class shouldn't push for concessions. But vague calls for "regime change" is lib nonsense. Only when the bourgeois state refuses to accept any more concessions (see German Revolution) is there reason pursue violent insurrection by a socialist mass movement. I wouldn't argue any different in case of Ukraine/Russia or other places.
There's also the question of war aims. What is the goal of the zionist regime? Is it integration of Iran as part of Israel, with all Iranians becoming equal Israeli citizens? No. Same goes for Gaza btw.
It's a brutal genocidal settler-colonial regime. And this changes the context and what are to be the desired outcomes in this war.
If Israel was a non-racist, multi-ethnic, mildly "socialist" or even merely "northern European" style socdem state, not hell bent on exterminating or expelling an entire people, I'd be a lot more comfortable with openly condemning the Iranian side.
But that's not the case. The victory of Israel in this case will not mean a more unified, prosperous middle east. It will mean the (now) unopposed genocide of over a million people in Gaza, and the destruction the Iranian state, which might descend into a Syria level civil war.
>>2328449At a certain stage there is no point trying to untangle the mess of someone's head
You can explain it to him in the most basic terms possible it won't matter
They just refuse on a most base level to interface with reality.
>>2328449>>2328438What did you write? You said Iranians are too subhuman to organize which is proven wrong by the post you're replying
>>2328352 (You) then wrote a liberal word salad that no one is reading
congrats you lost to an inanimate comment while conceding on your eariler claim of Iran not being imperialist (it is imperialist but if they're not going rape workers someone else will!111111)
Retoasting
>>2328430I'm willing to acknowledge the possibility. That's basically the play that the US et al have been employing everywhere.
>impose sanctions<sanctions create hardship>hardship creates discontents<discontents demand reform>reforms are impossible or denied<alphabet agencies take advantage of the tensions by funding reformists and arming reactionaries>fault lines form from new political dynamics<western states exploit fault lines by applying economic, social, and military pressure>repeat process until regime changes or state collapses>>2328482so what? they need to be breaking the law and directly fihting anything short of that is meaningless denuntiation of a system that directly benefits them
how many palestinians have given their lifes to fight zionism but when it comes to self proclaimed communists they sudenly cant?
>>2328511"Pro-status quo": Opposing all capitalist imperialist war, supportive all efforts to educate the proletariat to reject imperialist war
"Anti-status quo", the "real movement to abolish the present state of things": cheerleading imperialist slaughter of proletarians by bourgeois states
>most intelligent ML >>2328514I'm both sider in that I want more class war. I'm not both sider in that I want peace
btw
>>2328539Is this a Zionist position or a ML position?
Its honestly stunning how incoherent ML politics are.
>>2328554correct
>>2328555they are certainly a comprador regime and allies with imperialists but not imperialist in their own right. imperialism is not "when country attacks and war" it is a stage of capitalist development(the highest stage). saudi arabia is a periphery resource exporter similar to russia but even less developed
>>2328525>Opposing all capitalist imperialist war,<turning your back historical realities and transforming it into a black and white, unmaterialist slop of interimperialism.>supportive all efforts to educate the proletariat to reject imperialist war<but no effective organization or praxis to achieve this education or organization in any relevant level, only empty appeals for the nebulous and idealized worker, that has no contradiction or influence.here Chuddy, start with this pic.
>"Anti-status quo", the "real movement to abolish the present state of things":>cheerleading imperialist slaughter of proletarians by bourgeois states<supporting a nation victim of imperialism that has millitary power to fight against a barbaric colonialist nation backed by the Pin of global capitalism is bad because both are bourgeous.let me guess, you think Marx was bad for supporting poland against the russian empire or the Union against the confederates ?, or this is different because it's the holy saint of the revolution Marx
>The most effective and sapient Leftcom. >>2327647>2. Bomb the oil fields<What, their own? Why?This makes the Saudi-Iran reapproachment look like a bad deal for Iran, because are they going to bomb Saudi oil and desalination plants now? The Saudis meanwhile released a statement condemning the Israeli attack when it happened, but have they said anything since? The Middle East is so full of snakes.
>>2327655>Mf thinks this is Dune>>2327851>Baron harkonnen does not believe in the state of israel.But Black Dynamite, the Baron Harkonnen is from Israel.
>>2327869>leftists across all platforms feeding into the idea that trump's negotiations are at all earnest>>2327895>It's mostly a vocal minority of terminally online MAGAcoms, "pat"socs and assorted typesI wonder if it will ever cross their minds that they might have been getting psyopped by Trump and the Israelis.
>>2327901>Nah, those are magacoms … I mean Trump sucks so bad at lying that you have to be retarded when he was like “no it wasn’t us, we totally didn’t approve the bombing of Iran, we are totally innocent in this totally neutral”.With Trump, the answer always seems to be "both," because when Israel did the attack, he jumped onto it to take credit for being a master trickster because it seemed to have gone well. And if it hadn't gone well, then he'd play coy about it. While coordinating with Bibi at every step of the process.
>>2328162>Antisemitism isn't relevant anymore, jews anywhere aren't materially underpriveleged and systematically oppressed like they actually were when the bolsheviks fought for their rights I think antisemitism is a bit different because it's articulated as taking on a powerful exploiter, so I don't think it requires Jews to be underprivileged or oppressed. Putting that aside, the main problem with it is that it makes people stupid, tends to go together with highly moralfagged and un-materialist ways of thinking, and fosters paranoia which can be counter-productive.
>>2328337>>2328490Those motherfuckers scare me (I mean ballistic missiles in general, not these particular ones because I'm not Israeli so lmao). Most Israelis have reinforced safe rooms built into their homes, and maybe they can stop shrapnel from the smaller Grad-type rockets fired by Hamas, but taking a direct hit from one of these coming in from outer space at Mach 6 is just going to blow a building to smithereens
>>2328512Silly commie
The Iranian/Saudi death squads are there because evil vs good marvel movie
>>2328580>barbaric nationsHello Sir Benito.
>poland against the russian empire >Union against the confederates I didn't know Israel was maintaining a pre-capitalist MoP! You learn something new from MLs every day I suppose.
>>2328575>Sir Saudi Arabia funding groups that fascialte its invesments in the region not imperialism
>is just them acting on behalf of the us saudi arabia has no material interestsit can be both and not be imperialism
marx didn't even have a theory of imperialism, and did not condemn all wars except class wars. if you want to invoke imperialism as a concept while remaining marxist you have to include lenins materialist analysis of how imperialism develops from monopoly. lenin did not say all wars are imperialist, if you want to say that a particular war is inter-imperialist and that communists should not take sides you have to demostrate through materialist analysis that both sides are in fact imperialist, which in the case of iran it is not.
saudi arabia can still be "bad" without being imperialist, but its incorrect to call them imperialist just because, like calling everything you dont like fascism
its even a stretch to say that israel is itself imperialist, but this does not mean that we should be against opposition to israel. settler-colonialism can be opposed on its own, and the actions of compradors should be opposed from the perspective that their actions align with imperialist interests, but that still doesn't make them imperialist themselves
if you are using an idealist or liberal definition of imperialism then there is no point in listening to you
>>2328626they likely don't actually give a shit and are pretty happy knowing that western governments are politically aligned regardless of what their people think.
the disdain for israel hasn't amounted to anything.
https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/israel-iran-sitrep-61425-geopolitical
>Let’s stop there for the moment. LJ doesn’t get into exactly what this major international op is actually directed at. As regular readers will be only too aware, I have long argued that Russia’s strong performance against the Western offensive through Ukraine is forcing the Anglo-Zionists to gin up a Southern Front against Russia (and China) through Iran and the Caucasus. The increasingly close cooperation between and among Russia, China, and Iran has forced the Anglo-Zionist hand. Regarding the attack on Russian air bases—which was eerily similar to the current attack on Iran—in this context that looks like a failed attempt to attain a weakening of Putin’s support, perhaps even regime change, as well as to set Russia back on its heels, to feel vulnerable and cautious. Netanyahu, be it noted, deployed his typical “Iranian bros, we’re really on your side, just get rid of your government and all will be forgiven” ploy. To go with the Trumpian ploy of, ‘Hey, c’mon, let’s do a deal while we bomb the shit out of you.’ It all does begin to look coordinated.
>Putin has apparently reacted, as reported in a video that LJ linked:
<By the way, Iran also increased the combat readiness of all its divisions. All of this indicates that a genuine regional war has begun. And if humanity fails to nip this war in the bud, the United States will have to join the war on Israel's side, which will in turn compel Russia to start providing military support to Iran, resulting in a risk that the world could plunge into World War III. US President Donald Trump also added oil to the fire. In particular, he officially stated that the United States would protect Israel in the event of a retaliatory strike from Iran.
<Against this backdrop, insiders in the Kremlin confirmed that Moscow has already warned Washington about the inadmissibility of US military intervention against Iran. Simply put, Moscow has made it clear to the Trump administration that if the United States goes to war against Iran, Russia will do everything possible to ensure that Iran wins this war. Even though Russia itself is fighting against the Ukrainian army and NATO forces, Moscow has enough opportunities to strengthen Iran's military potential.
>Was this exactly the response that the US attack on Russian air bases was meant to forstall? Could be.Article goes on to further speculate that all the talk about Israel air dominance is just bullshit to try and entice the US to join the dogpile. One issue brought up is that the f35 requires some 14 hours of maintenence for every hour of flight time. Another is that he doubts Iranian AD was disabled or hacked, but rather a deliberate choice to just tank the initial israeli wave from confidence it wouldn't substantially damage hardened Iranian infrastructure.
<As of the most recent data (2024–2025), the F-35 Lightning II requires about 10–14 hours of maintenance for each hour of flight time, depending on the variant and operating conditions. Despite improvements over the past few years, the F-35 still requires significantly more maintenance than legacy fighters like the F-16, which typically needs about 5–6 maintenance hours per flight hour. The total flight time from Israel to Iran’s border, and back, is a little more than three hours. Do the math… every F-35 used to attack Iran will be undergoing maintenance for at least 30 hours. I doubt that Israel will be able to sustain its current operations tempo for more than a week.The really intriguing hypothetical though is that this isn't just Israel at work, but it's acting as the proxy for nato to open up a southern front against Russia and China.
>What’s working against Warlord’s hopes is the possibility that LJ (and I—Brian Berletic also supports this) are correct that this is simply part of the bigger war on Russia and China—but represents an escalation born out of increasing desperation. Again I remind readers: Trump’s talk of “peace”—with Russia, China, or Iran—is NOT what it sounds like. “Peace” means “I win,” as in his “ultimatums” to Iran: make a deal—or else. This has been tried with Russia already and has failed. But it’s also important to understand that Trump is the frontman for an international consortium. >>2328637Zionists are not proletarian
Zionists are not human
>>2328633Current attitudes were unthinkable 20 years ago. Ever from the ~1990s onward Israel has been beyond reproach in the west.
Europeans sanctioning Israeli politicians? Some calling for Israel to be sanctioned as a whole? Unthinkable back then.
>>2328631Did every merchant empire in history have Capitalist
Mode of Production in your retard mind? Or do MLs not even know what "production" means?
>>2328630sorry it's too retarded to be chatgpt it's just liberal hallucinations that came to you in a dream
10 paragraphs on nothing burger
>>2328648You're not a communist if you're not ML
Period
>>2328659I agree with this picture
t. both siders should kill their bourgeoisie
>>2328605>Genocide and colonialism aren't barbaric.Hello hitler.
>I didn't know Israel was maintaining a pre-capitalist MoP!oh wait, the slaughter of proles is only okay when bourgeous do it to less developed capitalism, got it !.
Oh because Direct colonialism is totaly a modern day relation of capitalism that needs to be tolerated, eh retard.
but expecting any kind of thought from a leftcom is too much.
>>2328641No way Jose
Leftcom reefer madness
>>2328528>subhuman animalsironically the category of subhuman has nothing to do with the category of animals, because humans usually regard animals more highly than "subhumans". "subhuman" just means a human who has been dehumanized for some reason, usually political. Israelis dehumanize palestinians for example.
you can simply recognize israelis as reactionary humans who need to be defeated without pretending they are biologically some different species like a weirdo. people who dehumanize believe the masses are too stupid to fight an enemy unless they are depicted as aliens first.
>>2328679Q is anti Israel so we should be pro Israel
Otherwise we're the same as them
>>2328617>95% of people in the developing world would be defined as proletarianthen go and say for a worker on congo with their bought government made by france and the united states that he needs to shut the fuck up and do communism.
you know, maybe there is a reason Leftcom didn't even achieve popularity, at best they are anexes to real parties.
>>2328685Decimating the White Army in 1920 and the Wehrmacht in 1944 was horrible because
more dead proletariansGenocide of natives in the new world was alright because they were not
proletarians, but fucking savages >>2328683Lucid take. And has been pointed out before. Peaceful "vertical" development became feasible with the development of coal, and later oil as energy sources. Though it did not cease the violent expansion of markets, access to resources, and export of capital and settlers entirely.
Nazi Germany simply applied this logic in Europe on an industrial scale. And by their own admittance, much of it was inspired by an existing settler-colonial state: The United States. Even down to racial and antisemitic laws being inspired by Jim Crow era legislation.
>>2328735except, of course, it isn't
china for example does not own the entirely economic output of any african nation, as an example, unlike the French and British do in certain markets, especially mining in Africa and South America
>>2328721that's the joke. it's a redone version of
>>2328697 to have deng in the background instead of stalin
>>2328698It's just a general nihilism. There is no program, not even a hint or a direction.
I used to maybe think they had a certain optimism but if so it is utterly deluded.
They have simply detached from reality and decided to make their weakness a virtue.
>>2328733In what world is Iran imperialist?
>inb4 they are supporting resistance groups in iraqHow is that bad? How is supporting grassroots resistance movements bad?
>inb4 they are theocratic anti-communist regimeAbsolutely irrelevant when their enemy is fascist, settler colonialist, genocidal ethnostate. If anything, as leftists, we must give critical support to Iran and her people
>>2328744So you admit you're a Zionist?
Repeat after me: Death to Israel and death to Zionism.
>>2328764interesting that you did not even mention the natives
noble savages can just die I guess
>>2328759>In what world is Iran imperialist?idk the fact that they operate as one of three blocs within the middle east? they actively influence politics, set up local governments supportive of their interests, acquire preferential rights there, and so on
>Absolutely irrelevant when their enemy is fascist, settler colonialist, genocidal ethnostate. If anything, as leftists, we must give critical support to Iran and her peopleanother reason why anti-fascism is a dead-end strategy that only leads to preserved bourgeois rule
>>2328714>they are revolutionary.no, they have the potential to be revolutionary Because the placement of a proletarian on a capitalist society makes the Proletarian push society to new relations, but nothing is inherit revolutionary.
>they should indeed revoltthey will revolt to achieve real goals that they feel it needs to end, Colonized and opressed nations like congo won't want communism the most, they want independence first, beinga revolutionary class has no direct relation to being into achieve communism singlemindedly, because workers aren't homogenous.
>>2328759>>2328733>>2328779>>inb4 they are supporting resistance groups in iraq>How is that bad? How is supporting grassroots resistance movements bad? It's not bad. Iranian militias crossing the border to help British troops invade Basra then kill Iraqi workers who protest and strike against the US-backed regime 20 years later is historically progressive.
t. thankful Iraqi
>>2328808Was it wrong for the "capitalist USSR" to launch a counter offensive and eventually defeat the capitalist Nazi Regime, including saving millions of people from genocide?
Should they just have surrendered? Should militant workers have toppled the soviet government during the battle of Stalingrad, and made peace with the Nazis?
After all, continuing the war led to a lot of dead Soviet and German proles.
>>2328832and what happens when that party gets banned?
and what happens when the other clandestine communist parties in iran tell you you're not helping the conditions of the working class by pushing for "no war" against an aggressive neighbour?
>>2328841>and what happens when that party gets banned?such parties are already banned, by default, you'd build a network of exiles, then you'd use local contradictions within the country to springboard it
>and what happens when the other clandestine communist parties in iran tell you you're not helping the conditions of the working class by pushing for "no war" against an aggressive neighbour?either way they are being raped, most of those parties are disillusioned regardless
>>2328827Launch military attacks? No no no, my good friend, all of those would be better spent on killing civilians like my friends here so desire.
Killing soldiers in war is expected but never something for a Communist to create fucking fashwave-tier edits over. And yes, it was wrong for the USSR to respond with ethnic cleansings of civilians.
>>2328855DPRK had an extensive non-nuclear WMD program and were able to destroy Seoul using conventional artillery within 24 hours of the outbreak of a new all out war. It made a big difference in being left alone whilst they worked on nukes.
>>2328863What the fuck are you on about?
> it was wrong for the USSR to respond with ethnic cleansings of civilians.Very curious about these supposed post-Barbarossa genocides
>>2328882I absolutely will not shed a tear over nazi collaborators being shot or exiled (OUN). What happened to the Crimean Tatars and Chechens is tragic. But doesn't change that the USSR not folding and taking the fight to Berlin was praiseworthy, and saved not only millions of people in eastern Europe (including jewish survivors) from genocide, but also benefited the socialist cause world wide. Even now, after it ceased to exist, it's legacy lives on. Including successful revolutions funded and aided in third countries.
>>2328896All I'm seeing is Zionists failing to obliterate the Iranian nuclear program - by their own admittance - while clearly running out of interceptors and air defense batteries (with a hit on a THAAD battery reported as well), with long term economic prospects looking extremely dire if this isn't wrapped up quickly.
That is on top of a potential closure of the strait of Hormuz, and massive damage to energy infrastructure in the middle east, easily plunging the world in a depression. There's also the risk of foreign intervention on behalf of Iran (from the DPRK, Pakistan, even Iraq).
This "shock & awe", "20 minute adventure in and out" and "Iran will run out of missiles soon" is turning into a Ukrainian level miscalculation.
With the exception that western stocks are much depleted after three years of war in Ukraine, and the Iranian side can fuck up the world economy way more than Kyiv could ever dream of.
>>2328917They have infinite materiel inflow from the US. I've seen that particular point bandied around since before the settler slaying of 2023. First hypothetical, and then actual, and it has never come to pass. It is as delusional as claiming Russia will somehow run out of manpower before Ukraine does.
I likewise don't buy the economic damage theory. If it could have happened, it would have by now. The only reasonable deduction to make is that national income is again greater than expenditure.
As for everything else: why hasn't Iran done this then? Why hasn't any of the many, many factions that oppose the genocidal entity not exploited any of these venues yet? You can claim to be materialist and scientific until the sky goes green, but here is your opportunity to actually BE materialist and scientific.
>>2328932What I am posting is just my observance from browsing twitter a lot and /pol/ the past few days compounded with Gaza war. With Gaza casualties they would just go oh noooo my dead poor muzzies or something like that
With Iran they are laughing their asses off making compilations of Israel getting leveled and mocking Israelis in fear. Maybe support isn't right word but there is something viseracal about seeing a country you dislike get rekt that comes out of when so authoritarian. Don't get the same feeling seeing innocent's hurt when you have low empathy
>>2328826FOR FUCK SAKE FINALLY.
THIS IS ALL I WANTED, FOR FUCK SAKE! JUST A LITTLE BIT OF UNLIMITED GENOCIDE OF THE FIRST WORLD. JUST A LITTLE BIT. NOT EVEN A FULL PERCENTAGE POINT IS WHAT I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR.
A NOMINAL AMOUNT AS A POLITE AND RESPECTFUL GESTURE. THAT'S ALL.
>>2328939>Why haven't they do itBecause it will invite retaliation. It's not something that is to be done until the situation is completely dire. If they target Israeli economic infrastructure with a massive barrage, destroying desalination plants, power plants, and much of the port (including airport) infrastructure, there's no going back. Likewise, doing this also means you cannot do it a second time. Once those assets are destroyed, the only thing left is hitting military targets (which is less flashy), or terror bombing (which simply isn't effective).
>>2328946Your right. Rightoid fanatics are motivated by sadism. So they derive a lot more pleasure from crying, dead, wounded Israelis than they do from seeing suffering Palestinians. They're motivated by cruelty, not sympathy. (let alone solidarity)
>>2328524>Don't give girls the ick. Die for Israel.Will white feathers work in the modern age?
>>2328721Do you still expect people to make memes in MS paint?
>>2328924That definition of genocide mixes murder with changing of superficial culture. Cultural "genocide" where people are socialized to say "hello" differently, wear different hats and move to a different geographic location isn't the same as just murdering them.
>>2328925BRUTAL TRVKE
>>2328929Rightoidism ideolegy is based on three things and three things only, Cowardice, victimism and want for violence
they scream how they want to kill all the lefties and shit, but when they suffer a single and no group comes save them they bail.
same thing happens on international or historic level, they go fuck these hecking commies yet when Xi or Kim appear they look like they are sick, and when Stalin was alive they didn't talked shit like today, it was like he was gonna appear from the void and drag them to hell, they courage to shit on him only started when he was dead.
now that Iran is not looking like a bitch and shooting back while Israel cries Rightoids can't just get on their knees for israel without looking weak, that can make them on a position where they are alone thus easily targetable.
>>2328963Okay this is cope.
Iran DID the massive barrages.
Iran and Hezbollah DID target logistical infrastructure.
The primary achievement was a bunch of zios to dying from heart attacks (mashallah).
Occam's razor, fucker: Iran, Hezbollah, and all the other Axis of Resistance club members didn't and don't have the resources to strike. And now Tehran is without air defenses. Shit's fucked. We we live to see another settler colonial project come to its completion.
>>2328979I'd tell you to come with proof, but
>IOFKill yourself, tourist.
>>2328418dang shes cute.
meanwhile that IDF lady looks absolutely soulless.
>>2329010>bro believe israel when they said only 3 uyghas got killed haha.>bro ignore the videos of missile hiting buildings bro.>also ignore the news that Israel is censuring people from taking videos, it has nothing to do with the missile strikes.Iran has hit a cybersec building but Israel said nothing about it.
moral of the story, don't trust israel ever.
>>2328975They targeted a few military targets, and non-critical infrastructure. If you blow up the desalination plants or power plants (or either of the two) that means a 75% reduction in the water supply, and much of the Israeli economy being shut down for weeks, or months. This is not Ukraine where there are hydro power plants and nuclear power plants which are basically off limits because blowing them up could either kill hundreds of thousands or leave much of Ukraine (and neighboring states) irradiated.
But this would also mean destruction of the Iranian oil & gas industry. It's the closest to MAD without WMDs. So things have to get really bad on either side before this is going to be considered.
>>2328989You only have to check what's been happening: Conventional air strikes are down, and 90% of air strikes are done by (small) drones launched from within Iran. If they could drop bunker busters unimpeded 24/7 they would.
Zionists are in the same position as Israel: They need to project strength to their backers. if they state that they can't secure Iranian air space, or penetrate certain underground infrastructure, they both look bad to their domestic audience who might question if this is worth it, as well Trump, who might potentially get cold feet and "force" them to back up in favor of diplomacy.
It's questionable Netanyahu would survive the latter politically. So it's pertinent they project strength and success at all times.
>>2329020What do you mean "no one?" The communist party of Israel pointed iit out several days ago and was linked in an earlier thread.
https://maki.org.il/en/?p=32749
>US Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee has reportedly been meeting with ultra-Orthodox coalition members, as part of efforts to prevent Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s far-right government from collapsing. Citing diplomatic and political sources, Channel 13 news reported Monday, June 9, that Huckabee told senior Haredi politicians that “early elections would be a mistake.”
>One of the meetings was held Thursday with Minister Meir Porush of the United Torah Judaism party. According to the network, Huckabee stressed to Porush “not to break up the government.” Huckabee also met with Rabbi Moshe Hillel Hirsch, with Channel 13 reporting he told the leading ultra-Orthodox rabbi that it would be difficult for the US to back Israel if elections are held now.It's been pointed out repeatedly over the course of these threads.
Communist Party of Israel and Hadash Stand Against Netanyahu Government’s Attack on Iran
>In a common statement issued on last Friday, June 13, concerning Israel’s ongoing attacks on Iran, the Communist Party of Israel (CPI) and the Democratic Front for Peace and Equality (Hadash) condemn the actions of Netanyahu fascist government. “Netanyahu’s government is dragging the region into a broad and dangerous escalation,” they said.
>“Hadash and Maki oppose the large-scale Israeli attack on Iran that took place early this morning, as part of the attempt by Benjamin Netanyahu’s government, with the support of the parliamentary opposition, to drag the region into an even broader escalation. We call for stopping what today appears to be the start of a dangerous war, which could involve the entire Middle East.”
>The Front and the party reiterated their principled opposition to all nuclear weapons programs – in the Middle East and throughout the world, without exception,” and called on all countries to respect international treaties aimed at preventing humanitarian disasters in the world. It was also stated: “We warn: The Israeli government may exploit the situation it has created to carry out even more dangerous plans towards the Gaza Strip and the occupied West Bank, and the world is called upon to take real and genuine positions to stop the impending disaster. We call for a public protest against this escalation, while respecting the rules to protect the safety and well-being of residents.”
>All the Zionist Israeli opposition backed the war against Iran. The opposition leader, MK Yair Lapid has praised the attacks on Iran, and Democrats politician (Labor and Meretz parties) Yair Golan has also backed the strikes. However, “Netanyahu’s decision to strike at Iran had been borne of the stress of his political position and his addiction to blood and force,” Hadash MK Ofer Cassif told Al Jazeera. To Cassif’s regret, the move has won the support of the parliamentary opposition.https://maki.org.il/en/?p=32752 >>2328486Hamas are the ruling bourgeoisie? They own what means of production again?
The Hamas lads are just good old fanatic Islamists who are resisting the occupier.
Not ideal, I know, but ask yourself why is there no Communist resistance of similar size.
>inb4 PFLP and other similar groupsI said
of similar size >>2328533retarded Malema
toi-toiing like a moron is all he can do
good lord, the absolute state of my Africa, I'll move to Brazil if I ever have the means to
>>2329040No jets have entered Iranian air space since… Saturday. So so much for "air superiority".
The "air dominance" thing is a literal psyop so they don't look incompetent. IF they really had air superiority, do you think they wouldn't simply have F-16s and F-35s in the air at all times, dropping GBUs on every single military installation, import government buildings, and nuclear sites?
>>2329049I don't think Israel is capable of escalating without the US getting directly involved.
>All their air defenses are completely depleted>IDF is just a bunch of 19 year old conscripts that can't do shit>Mossad is already doing car bombings and terror attacks in Iran>Israelis are living under 24/7 terror from Iranian missiles>IDF can't breach Iranian air space without American helpThey're just begging Trump to save them from complete annihilation.
>>2329055when Iran does it, it's "attacking innocent civilians"
when Israel does it, it's "forced civilian displacement"
really makes you think.
>>2329059You sound like when the Russians claimed the war would be over in 2 weeks or whatever. I highly doubt the Iranians (who have been sanctioned and isolated for like 20 years) will destroy Israel so easily. If they could, they already would have.
While I agree israel is the single most evil "country" on earth, I still think it's copium to act like their judgement will arrive soon and be swift. I expect it to suck complete ass for another 10 years while no justice is served and the bad guys keep winning and dancing on innocent graves, just as they have done for the last 70 years.
>>2329072no it's gonna be a protracted conflict that might take years but the truth is Iran has more missiles than israel has interceptor and israel alone will not able to destroy those missiles even if it throws at it all it's airforce
they are desperate for american intervention but even that won't be enough to stop all missiles and israel will take loses
>>2329059Zionists have a history of taking the L when it's clear they can't win (Sinai, Lebanon). They also simply can't survive millions of people fleeing as happened in Ukraine, as this severely impacts the demographic balance of Israel as well as (future) military readiness and economic prospects.
If there is a chance Israel might simply be irreparably diminished in practice (by destruction of all critical economic infrastructure) or outright annihilated (being nuked by either Iran if they figure out how to make a bomb in the meantime, or Pakistan in case Zionists nuke Iran and Islamabad retaliates by glassing Tel Aviv and Haifa) then I think they'll simply back off.
Because however bad they imagine a nuclear armed Iran might be, guaranteeing Israel will simply cease to exist either entirely or as a distinctly "jewish" state is worse.
>>2329087there is push towards making a nuke in response to the attacks the fatwa issued against might be lifted at any time
>>2329090read the new useless ape
https://sonar21.com/the-silver-lining-in-the-dark-war-cloud-over-iran/
>As was the case with Ukraine’s failed attack on Russian strategic air assets on June 1, Israel’s first swipe at Iran was accompanied by AI-generated videos and images, along with breathless reports of massive, profound damage. While it is true that Israel hit a large number of targets in Iran, the attack failed to cripple Iran’s ability to fight back; which is exactly what it did today and will continue to do for the foreseeable future.
>I think that Iran has an advantage over Israel when it comes to a sustained military campaign based on air and missile assets. Iran has more drones and more missiles than Israel. Israel, at least for now, is relying on hitting Iran with its squadrons of F-35s and F-16s. Here is the problem: Israel’s air capability will degrade over time as the jet aircraft suffer mechanical failures from extended use and normal maintenance.
>As of the most recent data (2024–2025), the F-35 Lightning II requires about 10–14 hours of maintenance for each hour of flight time, depending on the variant and operating conditions. Despite improvements over the past few years, the F-35 still requires significantly more maintenance than legacy fighters like the F-16, which typically needs about 5–6 maintenance hours per flight hour. The total flight time from Israel to Iran’s border, and back, is a little more than three hours. Do the math… every F-35 used to attack Iran will be undergoing maintenance for at least 30 hours. I doubt that Israel will be able to sustain its current operations tempo for more than a week.
>Iran, on the other hand, has a clear advantage with ballistic missiles and drones. One tactic that Iran may employ is to fire older missiles and drones in a first or second wave attack in order to deplete Israel’s air-defense system. Iran can then follow up with launches of hypersonic missiles. If Russia, China or North Korea decide to resupply Iran, then Israel’s ability to fend off future attacks will deteriorate. >>2329072It's not about "winning" it's about the extend they can inflict MAD even through purely conventional means. This is not about territory. Regime change + no enrichment is a Serbian ultimatum.
I think, if they're smart, they'll go for the infrastructure they can reach, then back off (declaring victory), and perhaps plan an operation down the line, this time with direct US backing.
If on the other hand they allow things to escalate to a point where the Israeli economy suffers damage second only to Gaza, then it will lead to an exodus of Israelis. With Haredis, "left" leaning seculars and Arabs becoming the majority of the Israeli population, and this will end the political project of Netanyahu and his political allies practically forever.
Nor am I convinced the Iranian leadership is hell bent on Israel's annihilation as often claimed. They're not ISIS/Nazis. They're simply not apocalyptic on that level regardless of their ideological origins or constitution.
I think ultimately the escalation of enrichment was truly about having a card to play in return for lifting all sanctions
If they truly wanted a WMD program, they could have done this 30 years ago, or stuck to radiological weapons. Anthrax, Smallpox, Cobalt-60 and sufficient quantities of nerve gas would be enough to kill millions of Israelis and render much of Israel uninhabitable. You don't need nukes for that.
>>2329126Very problematic if Iranians keep hitting Ben Gurion and places. And keep Israeli air space shut down.
>>2329134Contractors'
porky gotta eat
This guy posted a thread of Russian women in a car crash in Russia and claimed it is an Iranian bombing in Israel and everyone believes it making fun of Israel for hundreds of comments lol
We need to use it out advantage that Russians and urkainians look exactly like Israels then use some footage from that war and say it is Israeli. They will believe it
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/507506979>>2329234I find it really fucked that Israel is allowed to completely censor the entire global media to not report their casualties and we all just go along with it because it's Israel.
Meanwhile every news org happily reports every single death in Ukraine or Russia or Iran and even reveals any sensitive info they can get their hands on for clicks.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2068497/putin-general-ww3-fears-iran-israel-strikesPutin's general calls for massive mobilisation as he declares 'WW3 has already started'
>A Vladimir Putin general claimed today that World War 3 has already started following Israel’s strikes on Iranian soil on Thursday night. Maj-Gen Apti Alaudinov, 51, urged the Kremlin to carry out mass mobilisation of up to one million fresh troops.
>In a message published on the social media platform Telegram on Friday, the deputy chief of the Russian armed forces' main military-political directorate wrote: "We need to declare mobilisation." Alaudinov, who is a prominent propagandist and the commander of the Chechnya-based Akhmat special forces, added: "We need to prepare at least half a million people in advance. But realistically one million people. We need to call them up and start preparing them for the fact that the war has already begun, which we already know is happening - World War 3. But it has already taken on a new turn and a new momentum.
>"And so that no one dares to play with us the way they played with all the other countries, and now with Iran.
>"Believe me, we all need to unite, unite, unite at all levels."
>Alaudinov has been closely involved with Russia’s effort to win back territory controlled by Ukraine in Kursk, the region partially captured by Kyiv's troops in a daring advance in August last year.
>He is also seen as a probable successor to pro-Putin Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov. NEW THREAD
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>>2329312>>2329302Aztec blood sacrifices are the Palestinians hate gays of old colonialism, just gets brought up by idiots wanting to defend genocide.
still Colonialist slop.
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>>2329346a general serving the Vladimirputin army
what's so hard to understand ?!
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