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• Fresh blasts: Israel detected more missiles launched from Iran on Sunday evening, with an explosion seen in the coastal city of Haifa, after residential areas of Tehran were hit with multiple strikes. Earlier on Sunday, for the first time, Iran launched a daytime barrage against Israel, but there have been no reports of significant damage.
• Trump rejects assassination plan: A US official told CNN the US president rejected a plan by the Israelis to kill Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. However, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his spokesperson have denied the reports of such a plan, calling them “false” and “fake.”
• Israeli toll mounts: At least 14 are confirmed dead in Israel in the hostilities. Visiting the scene of a strike that killed 4 people, Israel’s PM Netanyahu said “think what would happen if Iran had atomic weapons.” A stated goal of the Israeli operation is to stop Iran developing a nuclear bomb.
• Iranians flee: Some Tehran residents have been escaping north to safer rural areas while others have been stockpiling essentials. The metro system is open around the clock so people can shelter. Scores are reported killed but no official figure has been given.
• No end in sight: Israel’s operation against Iran is expected to take “weeks, not days” and is moving forward with implicit US approval, according to White House and Israeli officials. US President Trump said his country “had nothing to do with” the Israeli attacks but later acknowledged that US involvement in the conflict is a possibility.
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-strikes-news-06-15-25>>2327615>>2327618here
>>2317172retards forgot to archive it
>>2327497Latest wave was probably a test: They launched 30-50 missiles. With ~15 hits.
They're seemingly having issues both with having enough interceptors, as well as having enough launchers.
I've noticed a pattern were several times in the past 48 hours, waves were launched each targeting particular area of Israel. Seems obvious to me they're mapping the extend of Israeli air defenses before making their next move.
>>2327513No he won't, why would he? Allowing the war to escalate means less aid to Ukraine, as well as higher oil and gas prices which benefit Moscow, and reduce the ability of Europeans to both replenish their own armament stocks, as well as fund the Ukrainian war effort.
>>2327530Why would you believe the figures? Think about it: Both sides have a reason to inflate the numbers. In the Iranian case, listing senior officers and scientists as dead, even though they're not, is useful strategic deception.
One should ALWAYS exaggerate losses except if they're gonna to try clap someone like Khamenei. Even to the point of faking hits by missiles and drones that were actually intercepted.
>>2327582>>2327575 (me)
IRGC-funded populist cuck says what?
ok, so you did know who he was.
now, you can next say regime too.
but the point is the importance of what's said.
before the fist day of raining missiles over zionistland and after the first attack of zionists over Iran, he stated that zionists will pay the price.
>>2327617because I did an oopsie poopsie.
>>2327644No more brother wars
Neoliberalism will win in the end!
>>2327632>Iran should:>1. Do a nuclear test immediatelyCan't.
>2. Bomb the oil fieldsWhat, their own? Why?
>3. Close the Strait of HormuzDoable but would lead to literally everyone invading simultaneously.
>4. Eliminate Al-JolaniDoable.
>5. Eliminate Abdullah IIDoable.
>6. Eliminate the Saudi Royal FamilyCan't.
>7. Eliminate SisiDoable.
>>2327632Iran should:
1. Do a nuclear test immediately
2. Bomb the oil fields3. Close the Strait of Hormuz
4. Eliminate Al-Jolani
5. Eliminate Abdullah II
6. Eliminate the Saudi Royal Family
7. Eliminate Sisi
>>2327638*licking
the Portuguese to English translator ain't working or what?
>>2327660tbh it probably is possible to kill IDF commanders in their bunkers by just launching so many missiles at a single point that it caves in on itself, but it's probably a waste of resources and not guaranteed to work.
Easier to demoralize the Israelis into lynching Netanyahu.
>>2327660everyone knew israel was going to attack
iran is just mediocre and didn't bother taking the necessary precautions
>>2327659>Who was killed?Are you not following this story?
>Israel’s targeted attacks on Iran’s nuclear and missile infrastructure early Friday took out at least 20 senior Iranian commanders, inflicting a significant blow to Tehran's governing theocracy.
>The Israel Defense Forces strikes took out Gen. Hossein Salami, the leader of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC
>Gen. Mohammad Bagheri, the chief of staff of the Iranian armed forces, was also killed. His death further escalates the gravity of the strikes and their implications for Iran’s military structure.
>Ali Hajizadeh, the head of the IRGC Aerospace Force, was also killed, as was Lt. Gen. Gholamali Rashid, who was the head of the IRGC's Khatam-al Anbiya Central Headquarters, which coordinates joint Iranian military operations.
>Lt. Gen. Gholamali Rashid, commander of Iran’s Khatam al-Anbiya Central Headquarters.see the picture:
>>2327645 >>2327673I get the feeling Bibi's death would unravel the entirety of Israel's geopolitical ambitions. The guy is a total psychopath and willing to do anything to achieve his goals, but he's also fairly intelligent.
Replacing him with the religious lunatics like Ben Gvir would result in the quick collapse of the regime as they simply are incompetent.
>>2327720I know it's mostly just glowies showing up, pretending they're Leftcoms, but how is it so difficult for actual commies to stop being awkward around reactionary and class traitor proles?
Yes, cops are proles. Yes, cop unions are real unions. They are also class traitors. Stop this nuisance.
>>2327732yeah they've literally wars against each other
>>2327734if you don't like it you can always go hang yourself
>>2327759>class conscious IsraeliUhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
There are some Israeli Arabs?.. They vote for Hadash?
>>2327576Here's proof latinxs and brazilians are the most zionist people of the world
The poll is actually not about news sources but social media posts
>>2327791North America, Australia, UK pro palestine
OK LOL
>>2327794The people of these nations unironically are more pro palestine
The government doesn't reflect it but it's an empirical fact
>>2327766Basic Marxism? Dunno if the original poster was joking, but there's a lot of people who genuinely argue cops are just proles. And shit like "baristas can't be proles".
>>2327756True true
>>2327778Here's a trvth nvke for ya: All jobs under capitalism perpetuate capitalism. Even teachers and doctors. They're all "bullshit jobs" the same way investment banking and insurance are.
The difference is not in whether these jobs are "capitalist", it's their relationship to property relationships, ownership and capital itself.
Cops exist to maintain the status quo it self. They enforce the existence of commodities, as commodities. Of capital, as capital. Of property, as property.
Capitalism can function without teachers, nurses, doctors, insurance agents, real estate brokers or paralegals. But it cannot function if people stop treating goods as commodities entirely and refuse to accept the sanctity of private property.
>>2327767Moffin' ciao !
Where's our good friend Houdini?
Im genuinely scared ICE sent his ass to El Salvador?
>>2327791news are openly israel cocksuckers btw, when israel attacked iran the "progressive" news (globo is not even that but okay) had multiple parts saying that israel was just concerned, that actually they only hit millitary personel then did the tipical jornalistic dishonesty of presenting the other side but oppening with how evil they are, in this case saying iran is a financer of terrorism, so people gets influenced to their side.
tdlr brasilian journos need to hang.
>>2327812There are over 400 million Indian Muslims and the poll most likely take native language as source
ESL indians are all zionists because these are just upper caste porkies
>>2327814>pay us to go away from uslol the feds are fucked up
just shows that burger citizens are just property of the burger state
property worth a mere $5k
>>2327823ESL Indians are all zionists
that is plain wrong lol
In ESL Indians, you find many right-wingers, liberals but also communists
The real nazis are found in the non-ESL population. Something intense about the clay of the earth common folk which the angloids can never replicate
>>2327831news influence the views of things people are massively uneducaded about.
when jornos + your local priest and friends what you think is gonna happen.
>>23278341 dude said something
>all MLs said and believe this but also
>why do MLs equate 1 Kurd's beliefs to all Kurdish people uWu >>2327832there are people who still hold this view some have even moved to the west bank and into arab villages to stop or at least document the settleroids progroms
obviously is a micro minority but is not like """israelis""" are just biologically determined to remain being settleroids their whole life
>>2327845see
>>2327834 >>2327841if they put a price on my head, at least flatter me and crank it up to a few millions
So Putin can just pay $2k can get me? Damn im a cheap hoe hahahah
>>2327847Larry Johnson is the worst one because he is always claiming to have some secret source it says some story that doesn't exist anywhere and says it is true
Ritter and Doug may be wrong on their takes quite often but it's at least from their analysis of what they can see. Larry is like Alex Jones secret sources told me x
>>2327853I can't. Sorry. Shit's fucked, and it's getting worse.
I suggest moving to South America or something.
>>2327853Buddy, there's a good chance we get it within 3. This shit is popping off, no matter how much the nothing-burger bots cry about it.
Societies have all descended into idiotic strains of fascism who don't know how to maintain and continue the civilizations they've been inherited. War will come with diminishing resources and increasing chaos. It always does.
We could see WW3 this year. Israel threatens everyone with the Sampson option.
>>2327854Ok but the poll is about normies posting stuff about the issue in social media not actually about the content news sources
Poll is basically showing most macacques in social media are rabidly pro zionism
>>2327846fax, but rightoids are like that everywhere, look what they were posting in the american part of twitter when palestine was being bombed, only a ideological holocaust against the right wing wild civilize them.
but i believe rightoids here in brasil are much more chimp out, cowardly and vile than most places, maybe because they speak my language, so i have to hear their dementia more.
>>2327871Poll shows the vile and genocidal americans are a pathetic minority, American people are unironically majority pro palestine
The complete opposite in Brazil case, what a sick society you people have
>>2327867as long as you don't go near são paulo or santa catarina there is zero chance you will meet him.
but don't come here gringo, go to Brittain or some shit.
>>2327890Wrong, they're BELOVED in Brazil and most of latam
Everywhere else tho. Yeah, a pariah state
>>2327889im not a gringo, comrade
im probably the only non-whitie in this thread
>>2327898The Cold War was almost entirely composed of proxy wars because of the fact there were nuclear weapons.
The Korean War only had Chinese and US Troops fighting directly because China had no nuclear weapon at the time. Soviets only came as volunteers.
>>2327898We would be in a better world if he fired the missiles which is black pilling.
The radiation would be cleaning up by now and humanity would be humbled. Communism might have actually won sooner.
>>2327888r/socialism is nearly dead, r/ultraleft is peak "both-sides"ism (and tiny), r/worldnews and r/politics are predictably disgusting, which mostly leaves stupidpol (which has its own share of MAGAcom/"anti woke"/"socially conservative but economically progressive" retardation) and fan subs for people like Hasan Piker.
And subs like antiwork ignore geopol (almost?) entirely.
>>2327853I always thought it would truly kick off somewhere in the arctic tbh, could have another front there as well.
Time is running out for the old world, that timeline of yours would make sense for them to have their last stand.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/true-promise-3-iran-responds-with
>The scenes were almost too unreal to believe, like something from an over-produced Michael Bay blockbuster. Among the targets was the Haifa refinery and Israeli research center of the Weizmann Institute for Science in Rehovot, near Tel Aviv:
< What role does Haifa’s refinery have, that Iran targeted? The Haifa Oil Refinery in northern occupied Palestine supplies more than 60% of Israel’s fuel needs, from gasoline and diesel to jet fuel for the Air Force. With these facilities damaged in tonight's Iranian attack, Israel’s will face a fuel problem. This successful attack on Haifa’s refinery is a strategic blow to Israel's economic and military backbone. The fact that Israel remains silent on the impacts on its refinery, and has not yet said anything but focused on the impact in Tamra—which I believe was caused by Israel’s own failed interceptor missile (we’ll have to see), shows that the damage was painful. And it’s only the beginning…
< The New York Times, citing images shared with them, reports that Israeli research centre, The Weizmann Institute for Science, has been damaged by an Iranian ballistic missile in the most recent attacks on central Israel. The building is located in Rehovot, south of Tel Aviv, and a fire has reportedly broken out in one of the buildings which contains laboratories.
>Meanwhile, Israel had likewise hit Iran’s largest natural gas field—the South Pars—which also happens to be the largest in the world:
< Israel is bombing Iran's ability to export oil and natural gas. This will remove Iran's ability to export about 2 million bpd, most of which goes to China. Iran's South Pars natural gas field is shut down, Shahran oil field is on fire. Multiple oil refineries in Iran are reportedly on fire. This will cause gasoline and diesel shortages in Iran. Oil and natural gas prices will skyrocket when markets open on Monday.
>However, Israel’s first round of strikes predictably did much less damage than claimed. Most people have no idea how to do BDA and simply jump to conclusions based on emotive images of one “destroyed” object or another. Some anti doomer evidence follows where he points out at all the talk of total Israeli domination after the attack was vastly overplayed, plus some speculation on what comes next from the concerned parties.
Remember when Iran (let in by the US) ethnically cleansed Palestinians from Iraq because pali babies were "Ba'athist elements"
But trust me guys its all geopol and good vs evil just like in my marvels no class war involved
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Iraq>>2327916r/worldnews, r/politics, r/europe, any of those alone are bigger than all the "pro-palestine" sub around.
>>2327926Been trying to tell people this, including that you shouldn't simply believe the figures both sides are reporting regarding the Iran strikes, because strategic deception means the Iranian side is heavily incentivized to exaggerate losses.
>>2327930>actual nuance and history introducedanons itt will just insinuate you're israeli
>>2327937right on queue
>>2327929Indeed. Chile is the sole exception in Latam most likely because of the Palestinian diaspora there descendants of the Nakba
You guys are allright
Russian thinker Alexander Dugin:
Israel threatens to detonate a nuclear weapon in Europe and the West if it fails against Iran.
Here's what you can't imagine about the paths of the Israeli-Iranian war
The End Explosion: Israel threatens a comprehensive nuclear explosion… The Jewish scenario is Samson's option to force the West to support it!
Israel threatened the Samson nuclear option if Operation Rising Lion failed.
The Russian philosopher Alexander Dugin said:
Israel warned that if Operation Rising Lion failed, the alternative option would be Operation Samson Option, which includes the direct use of nuclear weapons against Iran and Yemen, and, if necessary, the detonation of dirty bombs inside Israel itself as a suicide plan.
At the same time, Israeli ministers are threatening to launch nuclear strikes against European capitals if EU countries support the two-state solution and recognize the state of Palestine, which they have already done.
If Israel established cells inside Iran as part of Operation Rising Lion, with the aim of eliminating military leaders, scientists, and sensitive sites, and succeeded in sabotaging equipment in Lebanon and killing Nasrallah and Hezbollah leaders, then what it may have prepared in other countries is unimaginable.
Thus, the "Samson Option" operation may turn into a real end of the world.
In the United States, a sharp and irreversible split has occurred within the MAGA (Make America Great Again) camp.
The vast majority of Trump supporters oppose US involvement in a war alongside Israel against Iran.
Only neoconservatives like Lindsey Graham push for war.
The overwhelming majority of Americans are strongly opposed this time, and even Elon Musk is hinting at his disapproval on his platform, which has become a hub for the MAGA movement, though he doesn't state it directly.
In contrast, Democratic Party representatives have resorted to political terrorism. Today, a "No Kings!" campaign organizer deliberately shot two Minnesota senators and their families.
Protesters across America are raising slogans like "86 47," which in code translates as "Kill the 47th US President." Everything is moving toward a civil war scenario.
At the same time, Pakistan issued a statement saying that if Israel launched a nuclear attack on Iran, Islamabad would use its nuclear weapons to retaliate against Israel.
Saudi Arabia, for its part, has publicly declared its support for Iran.
Therefore, it is very likely that the Samson option will be activated, Dugin concluded.
https://x.com/mog_china/status/193432394200240169>>2327955so was this post false?
>>2327930if so, explain the real history for the benefit of those unfamiliar with it.
>>2327974>haha im just gonna repeat myselfI'm asking you to explain why the anon is wrong because I am unfamiliar with the history they were trying to bring up. Do you have any reading recommendations. Obviously a wikipedia link isn't a very good source from them.
Do you come here to have real conversations about geopolitics or just troll?
>>2327978But there would be no American carrier to imminently support Taiwanese defences.
I jest, of course. You should be more concerned there’s three aircraft carriers heading to the Middle East.
>>2327975Carriers are useless in the South China sea anyway.
And considering their speed, it's going to take a while (~5 days) for them to get there.
>>2327971called them a bunch of victimists.
nothing else really.
>>2327972you forgot about millei uygha ?
https://larrycjohnson.substack.com/p/the-zionists-are-crying-uncle-sam
>Israel’s initial euphoria over its Friday morning strikes on Iranian targets is fading as Israeli inhabitants get a taste of their own medicine. Israel’s much touted Iron Dome is a total bust. I have posted a couple of videos below that show the Iranian missiles arriving unimpeded.
>In his latest video, BORZZIKMAN reports that the Iranian strike yesterday on the IDF version of the Pentagon destroyed a THAAD air defense system that was deployed to “protect” the building.
>Pepe Escobar was interviewed earlier today by Nima and provided some important news from his impeccable Russian sources. Israel, with help from the West, hit Iran with a cyberattack early Friday morning (Tehran time) that disabled Iran’s air-defense system. Israel and the West anticipated this would disable Iran’s ability to track and attack inbound missiles for several days. According to Pepe, Iranian technicians got the system up and running in ten hours.
>The Potemkin Village propaganda generated by Israel and spread by Western media is coming apart at the seams. While many in the West still believe that Israel has struck a fatal blow on Iran and that Iran is just days away from a collapse, the Iranian missile force is alive and well and bombing the shit out of Israel. I suspect that Iran is employing Houthi tactics with their ballistic missiles that are fired from mobile launchers — i.e., instead of relying on fixed sites, Iran is deploying its missiles around the country on mobile launchers, which are virtually impossible to detect and destroy in a timely manner. As I write this, Iran reportedly has launched an eighth-wave of missiles. Iran is going to engage Israel in a tit-for-tat battle until Israel ceases its attacks on Iran.
>The following report from AXIOS is indicative of Israeli panic:
>The following videos highlight the problem confronting Israel… it can’t stop Iranian missiles.
>Another reality confronting Israel is that the United States does not have unlimited supplies of air defense missiles, and other weapons, to send to Israel. For example, consider the limitations of the THAAD and SM-3 anti-ballistic missile systems… the US can only manufacture 50-75 THAAD and 60-84 SM-3 interceptors per year! I read another report today — can’t find it now — that the US is sending weapons intended for Ukraine to Israel. I’m sure Zelensky will be thrilled with that news. If this report is true, Ukraine’s days are numbered. Without sustained US military and intelligence support, Ukraine cannot sustain its military operations through the summer.
>I want to remind you of the Strategic Partnership Agreement that Russia and Iran signed on January 17. Here are the critical sections pertaining to the current war with Israel:Article 3
<3. In the event that either Contracting Party is subject to aggression, the other Contracting Party shall not provide any military or other assistance to the aggressor which would contribute to the continued aggression, and shall help to ensure that the differences that have arisen are settled on the basis of the United Nations Charter and other applicable rules of international law.
>So, what does this mean? The right to self-defense is recognized in Article 51 of the UN Charter, which allows countries to defend themselves if an armed attack occurs. This self-defense must be:
<In response to an actual armed attack
<Immediate and necessary
<Proportional to the threat
>Israel’s attack on Iranian nuclear facilities, under the terms of this agreement, means that Iran, with Russian support, will be fully entitled to respond militarily. Russia sent Israel and the United States a clear warning… Russia has Iran’s back.
>Article 4 is particularly revealing because it admits that Russia and Iran have separate agreements governing cooperation between their respective intelligence and security agencies:Article 4
<2. The intelligence and security agencies of the Contracting Parties shall cooperate within the framework of separate agreements.
>Article 5 reveals that Russia and Iran have agreed to a comprehensive level of military cooperation that covers everything from training to military exercises to responding to attacks:Article 5
<1. In order to develop military cooperation between their relevant agencies, the Contracting Parties shall conduct the preparation and implementation of respective agreements within the Working Group on Military Cooperation.
<2. The military cooperation between the Contracting Parties shall cover a wide range of issues, including the exchange of military and expert delegations, port calls by military ships and vessels of the Contracting Parties, training of military personnel, exchange of cadets and instructors, participation – upon the agreement between the Contracting Parties – in international defence exhibitions hosted by the Contracting Parties, conduct of joint sports competitions, cultural and other events, joint maritime relief and rescue operations as well as combating piracy and armed robbery at sea.
<3. The Contracting Parties shall interact closely in holding joint military exercises in the territory of both Contracting Parties and beyond by mutual consent and taking into account the applicable generally recognized rules of international law.
<4. The Contracting Parties shall consult and cooperate in countering common military and security threats of a bilateral and regional nature.
>Donald Trump came into office with the backing of millions of voters who believed his promise not to embroil the US in needless foreign wars. Looks like he is breaking that promise. He apparently learned nothing from George HW Bush, who promised, “no new taxes,” and then broke that promise. Voters did not forgive him. If Trump intervenes on behalf of Israel, he will likely suffer a similar political fate; only instead of not being re-elected, he will see his political support among a key segment of his base crumble. >>2327983how many did they sent against the houthis? that was a total failure though in that case the houthis attacked them since the begining and Iran might not want to do the same
>>2327989if you don't like it you can go fuck yourself
>>2327986Carriers represent rapid response.
Lets say every US carrier fucked from from Asia to deal with some crisis in the gulf. Weeks away from Taiwan. China could launch an invasion, if they had it all prepared beforehand of course, and take the whole island before the US could respond. Bye bye chips.
>>2327983The Americans will
never of to war against China over TaiwanThe Chinese will
never annex China by warfare https://www.councilestatemedia.uk/p/hey-israel-dont-start-a-war-you-cantIsrael f****d around and now it is finding out<It's time for Israel to learn the hard way
>It has been a strange couple of days.
>On the one hand, we’re facing the real possibility of World War III and on the other hand, we’ve felt the therapeutic effects of Israel finally getting its comeuppance.
>As someone who is fiercely opposed to war and hates to see human suffering, I have felt some contradictory emotions. There has been a constant sense of dread, but I’d be lying if I denied feeling a hit of dopamine when I saw fireworks light up the sky above Tel Aviv.
>I’d certainly be lying if I denied laughing when an Israeli who gloated about Palestinian suffering was crying that they’re now hiding in a shelter. Remember when it was cowardly to hide underground?
>One interesting turn of events is the revelation that Israel is using human shields, quite literally. I already knew it keeps its intelligence buildings in the middle of cities, but there are even claims it has bases located under hospitals that are hard to verify. All I’m gonna say here is nothing would surprise me.
>The Kirya headquarters in Tel Aviv (above) were struck by Iranian missiles and the bombardment inevitably resulted in civilian casualties. I certainly don’t want to gloat about civilian casualties, but I do want to remind you that Israel set this precedent in Gaza and Israel bombed apartment buildings in Iran. I will also remind you that 91% of Israelis support the genocide in Gaza. The best thing for Israelis to do now is leave.
>Israel must be stopped and sadly, that will only be achieved militarily. If Iran stops fighting now, it will end up looking like Gaza, and Israel will topple all of the Middle East then move onto Pakistan. Iran’s only option is to dismantle Israel militarily. It is showing it potentially has the capability to do that. The claim that the balance of power had irrevocably shifted in Israel’s favour looks foolish.
>Just know that both the US and the IAEA concluded recently that Iran was not currently building a nuke. All the destruction you’re seeing in Tel Aviv was because Netanyahu wanted to stay in power. Either he knew Israel was going to face huge levels of destruction or he is so incompetent, he had no idea. Either way, he has screwed his own people and apparently fled to Greece.
>His Wing of Zion plane certainly landed in Greece, but Israel denies he was onboard so maybe he is just hiding underground in Jerusalem.
>Knowing this war was coming, I’ve been researching the military capabilities of both sides for a while so I wasn’t surprised to see Iran hit back so hard. The mistake Israel made was to think its sophisticated fighter jets would be the deciding factor, but this seems one hell of a miscalculation. Who needs fighter jets when the enemy is in range of your hypersonic missiles?
>If you spend time learning about Iran’s military bases that are buried under mountains, you will understand just how absurdly difficult it is to take them out. The way everything is buried so deep and reinforced with advanced concrete and compartmentalised with blast doors means even if you somehow got explosives down there, you could not take out the entire base. These things are huge and Iranians have thought of everything, including vents that divert the blasts away from critical infrastructure. These bases are so difficult to take out, I’m not even sure nukes could do the job, but don’t be surprised if Israel resorts to nukes in its desperation.
>Given the difference in size of the two countries, it would be far cheaper for Iran to take out Israel than for Israel to take out Iran. Israel is a small target with all its military infrastructure on the surface and its fabled iron dome seems more or less useless.
>So far this has been a hugely expensive error for Israel. It has wasted large sums of money bombing Iranian decoys and barely scratched Iran’s military hardware. It boasted that it had taken out Iran’s air defences, but there are claims Iran has shot down two, maybe three F-35s. The claims have been made by Iranian media outlets such as Tasnim, Fars, and Mehr News Agency, but we are yet to see definitive proof. If the claims are true, it would make Iran the first country to ever shoot down a fifth generation fighter.
>Meanwhile, Iran has overwhelmed Israel’s iron dome with cheap drones and old missiles, and when the failing iron dome is depleted, Israel will be almost defenceless. Iran fired one of its hypersonic missiles and it cut through Israel’s air defences like they were nothing and then the lights in the area went out.
>Once Israel’s air defences have gone, Iran plans to switch to its more expensive modern missiles and drones which will cause far more more damage. It has been claimed that even the old missiles Iran has fired contain bigger warheads than Israel’s and are capable of doing more damage, meaning the worst could be yet to come.
>Obviously, it’s hard to confirm claims in the chaos of war and there is always going to be propaganda flying around as well as genuine errors or confusion. However, given the success of the Iranian missiles in breaching the iron dome, it’s a safe bet that many claims are correct.
>For example, there are reports that Iran has struck Israel’s biggest air bases such as Nevatim and Ramon, possibly damaging or destroying F-35s, F-15s and F-16s. It will be interesting to see if Iran really has taken out Israel’s fighter jets. If not, that could be a matter of time and Israel certainly seems concerned. Without its air force, Israel is done.
>The US, UK and France are leaping to Israel’s defence, initially to provide air support from their fighter jets, but that would be hopelessly insufficient and would simply make us military targets. Meanwhile, the Houthis have joined the battle with their hypersonic missiles and Pakistan is saying it will support Iran in any way it can. You can guarantee Russia and China will do the same because they know what’s happening here.
>Since the war on terror began, enemies of the empire have been toppled one after another. If Iran falls, Pakistan (China’s close ally) believes it will be the next target. With Iran and Pakistan out the picture, Russia and China would be left isolated, meaning this battle is existential for them too. Given the stakes, we are facing some scary possibilities.
>While Trump would be happy to join the war, the American people are opposed. The only thing that could shift their opinion would be a false flag. It would have to be a devastating event. Something so emotional that people cease to think rationally and are overcome with anger. Something that could justify emergency powers to punish anyone who speaks out. It would likely be bigger than 9/11. This false flag could come from Mossad, but it could equally come from the CIA. Just know that if it comes, Iran had nothing to gain and Israel had everything to gain.
>The second worry is that of nukes. Even with the help of the US, Israel will probably lose this war.
>Iran’s virtually undetectable fast boats and stealth submarines, new drone carrier and hypersonic missiles, mean it can potentially threaten US aircraft carriers. No one knows if it would actually be able to sink them - not Iran, not the US - but finding out would be a huge gamble for Trump. If a single US aircraft carrier is lost for Israel, that’s the end of him.
>What this all means is that we have desperate people who will resort to desperate measures. They could very easily resort to nukes. I’m not just talking about tactical nukes either and I’m not just talking about military targets. I’ve already explained why I think nukes probably won’t work against Iran’s underground bases. This leaves the chilling possibility they might nuke Tehran. Israel has stated that if Iran doesn’t stop defending itself, Tehran will burn. Is that what they meant? Iran’s nuclear-armed allies need to offer a nuclear umbrella to ensure this stays a fair fight. If they do, Israel’s reign of terror is over. If they don’t, this world is about to get fucking terrifying. >>2328014Iran is one of the leading countries in the world in AI (surprised me too) and Hypersonics research. Saudis are have also been building up their own biotech sector which is growing rapidly.
And obviously the entire Arab peninsula is well known at this point for their extreme engineering projects.
It's the most important region in terms of energy, and much of the world's trade passes through Suez.
Stop watching burger/lib/zionist propaganda. This middle east isn't stuck in the 6th century.
>>2328027Seems obvious to me the plane is in Greece to prevent it from being hit. Same goes for civilian planes.
Ukrainians didn't do this, leading to widespread civil aviation losses.
>>2328014I'm from NA(though I live in America currently), people don't talk politics that much except to shit on Israel. MENA is united in our hatred for Israel. Everything else leads to coups and infighting. Only hatred for Zionism brings us together.
Also, pretty much the entire modern history of MENA is western powers interfering in our affairs and it backfiring spectacularly in their faces because arabs are an obstinate bunch. The general sentiment is as long as Arabs continue resisting imperialism eventually the century of humiliation will end, just like China. Giving in to the Zionists is the only defeat. Anything else is just part of the long path of resistance.
>>2328024they were comparing mount fuji to another iranian mountain and did a penis banter
>>2328038if what you're saying is true, hell it must be true, then they should really work on their global image and counter zios and their propaganda shit
>>2328049>>2328047i guess it's true, there's nothing you can do but resist the shit situation you've been put into, you gotta admire them for not giving up
They picked a pro Israel Palestinian. This guy works for the Atlantic council he's a pathetic person
Israel has killed over 30 of his family members and he still shills for Israel
Here is a great video exposing him
https://youtu.be/GCFT85WjajY?si=f4DdiGFOzOws5PvP>>2328106The Nakba was in 76 years ago
Palestinians are doing better now.
>cheer for the bombing on IranNo you should cheer for the death of Iranian workers like you always do.
>>2328099Don't forget the SBU blackmailing Russians into becoming suicide bombers.
The fact they don't give a fuck about optics anymore or how this will be perceived by the rest of the world is proof of the extend things are escalating.
Across Eurasia governments already perceive a world war in the coming years as inevitable.
>>2328121how many generals/scientists now vs. iran's big fat 0?
iranian public should start asking questions about this fireworks circle jerk pretty soon
>>2328124they already are
there were protests for further acceleration at the first day of these strikes
>>2328113Where in any of the previous threads have I been cheering for killing Iranian workers? What's happening now is sad, on both sides. And stating what I think will happen is not condoning what is happening at the moment..
Christ dude. I was accused of basically shedding tears for Zionists settlers a few threads ago because I didn't think shit like killing children should be celebrated or that every jew or Israeli alive today is ontologically racist and genocidal.
>>2328093I'm sure they will be, yeah, but what do you think the result is going to be if Israel does employ nukes? You think it'll be just one? Even nuking just Tehran would be a humanitarian crisis of unprecedented proportions, but what about its other major cities as well? What do you imagine the result is going to be if the regional capitals are nuked also? The millions of people suddenly being vaporized alone would devastate whatever is left of the government’s ability to coordinate a response, but that's to say nothing about the infrastructural damage, destruction of supplies and supply lines, the elimination of communications, and so one. And beyond that, anyone lucky enough to not be in the direct line of nuclear hellfire is going to have to deal with weeks or even months of radioactive fallout, and all the horrors which that entails.
I'm sure you're right that the Iranians would be angry at Israel, but I think that after a certain point of devastation, and it needn't necessarily be nuclear, survival and other interests take precedence, especially if you're some nationalist psycho or wahabist head chopper funded by Washington or Riyadh or whatever.
>>2328152>but what do you think the result is going to be if Israel does employ nukes?Pakistani nukes dropped on Israel. At best wiping out much of its military assets and economic infrastructure. Worst case, entire cities (Tel Aviv, Haifa) being vaporized by multi-megaton city killer warheads.
Yes, Pakistan will get hit. But if they don't retaliate, the leadership will either get couped by hardliners, or lynched by frothing fanatics. Doesn't leave much choice.
Even if it ends there, much of the region is fucked, and possibly the world depending on how accurate nuclear winter/summer predictions are.
I'm way more worried about this conflict going nuclear, than Ukraine, or possibly Taiwan.
This is his real name
It is like Hitler designed this person and picked all the features on create player mode
https://www.jns.org/how-i-became-a-west-bank-settler-meme/>>2328178>saw /pol/ tourists posting the meme>got curious and looked it upIs that how I'm guessing it went down for you?
So is it pronounced Vee-leh?
>>2328177only Kemet uyghas
Eg*ptians are imperialist by definition
Behold! He is coming with the clouds! And every eye shall be blind with his glory! Every ear shall be stricken deaf to hear the thunder of his voice! Let the men, women, and children of the Earth come forth to gather and behold the power of Atom! Let those who dwell here in his favored land attend now to the words of the Prophet of Atom! Come forth and drink the waters of the Glow, for this ancient weapon of war is our salvation, it is the very symbol of Atom's glory! Let it serve as a reminder of the Division that has occurred in the past and the resplendence of the promise of our division in the times to come! Give your bodies to Atom, my friends. Release yourself to his power, feel his Glow, and be Divided. There shall be no tears, no sorrow, no suffering, for in the Division, we shall see our release from the pain and hardships of this world. Yea, your suffering shall exist no longer; it shall be washed away in Atom's Glow, burned from you in the fire of his brilliance. Each of us shall give birth to a billion stars formed from the mass of our wretched and filthy bodies. Each of us shall be mother and father to a trillion civilizations. Each of us shall know peace, shall know an end to pain, and shall know Atom in his glory. I urge you, my friends - come, drink with me and pray… Glorious Atom, I give unto you these feeble bones. I present to your will this frail body. I beg of you to use me as your vessel, guide me to your brilliance, divide each particle and give relief to this rotten flesh. Cast the fragile form of this ephemeral body into new life in the forge of your Glow. Atom, come bestow your presence on your unworthy servant. We stay true, until the Day of Division, until the dawn of your return to His humble world.
>>2328184kemetism is a dead meme
although I fucking hate the muslim brotherhood the same way so I dunno
colour revolutions are gay
>>2328189so it's all a meme for you huh
you get what you deserve: muslim brotherhood
>>2328194everything is a meme
a spectacle, you might say
>>2328197This guy literally works for Israel lmao. Al Jazeera caught him with decoys
https://electronicintifada.net/content/censored-film-reveals-israel-projects-secret-facebook-campaign/25486In a conversation also revealed in the leaked video excerpts, Jordan Schachtel, who worked for The Israel Project at the time, tells the undercover Al Jazeera reporter about the logic and extent of the covert Facebook operation.
The undercover reporter, known as “Tony,” was posing as an intern at The Israel Project.
“We’re putting together a lot of pro-Israel media through various social media channels that aren’t The Israel Project’s channels,” Schachtel states. “So we have a lot of side projects that we are trying to influence the public debate with.”
“That’s why it’s a secretive thing,” Schachtel adds. “Because we don’t want people to know that these side projects are associated with The Israel Project.”
Tony asks if the idea of “all the rest of the non-Israel stuff is to allow the Israel stuff to pass better.”
“It’s just that we want to like blend in everything,” Schachtel explains.
>>2328086schlomo there are many ethnicities in Iran
Which is also why they changed the English name from Persia to Iran. Persians are one ethnic group. There are also Azeris, Kurds etc
'Iranian' groups all of them.
>>2328189people want to revive ancient egyptian religions for real? i thought it was a joke
it's like those rich iranian diaspora women who call zoroastrianism empowering despite one of it's monks proposing communalising women for sex
i hope they do though, ancient egyptian pagans were wild, they had sex in the nile to boost fertility, they believed the world was jizzed by god into existence, one of their gods is a gay rapist and the other fucked hippopotamuses, they invented beet to calm down world eating beasts
Der Spiegel Rhetoric on Cyrus the Great Anger Persian Jews
Persian Rabbi accuses Der Spiegel of inciting anti-Semitism
18 July 2008
By N. Yazdani for CAIS
LONDON, (CAIS) – De Spiegel in a recent article called Cyrus the Great a "despot" questioning his benevolent deeds as a "hoax" and “propaganda” has caused outrage among the Persian Jewish community as well as Iranian Muslims, but according to a Persian Rabbi the neo-Nazis, anti-Semitic groups and Eurocentrics have found a spokesman.
Yohanna Hamadani, a prominent Persian Rabbi firmly believes that the article is targeted at the Jewish population and on Wednesday accused the Cyrus-bashing article of inciting anti-Semitism and called for Jews all over the world to condemn his racist remarks.
Der Spiegel’s article “Falling for Ancient Propaganda; UN Treasure Honors Persian Despot”, written by someone named Matthias Schulz published on July 15, attacks Cyrus the Great and calls his deed of freeing Jews from Babylonian captivity as a hoax.
The Rabbi said this is a dark coalition of anti-Semitic Neo-Nazis, fundamentalists and Eurocentrics embodied in an article.
"I feel in this article, Cyrus is opposed by a 'dark coalition of anti-Semitic Neo-Nazis, fundamentalists and Eurocentrics', that an immense animosity surrounds his historical figure" said Rabbi.
The Jewish and Persian Connection blog, quoted the “German reporter and Der Spiegel as having crossed the ‘redlines’ with their anti-Semitic pseudo-article.”
Sadeq Khalkhali, Aytollah Khomini's right hand man who was known for his brutality in post-revolution Iran, in the same style as Schulz attacked Cyrus the Great historical figure in 1974. He called Cyrus the Great a "despot", and called his Cylinder currently housed at the British Museum as a "hoax and fake" that was made by Jews to give them legitimacy for taking over Jerusalem.
Matthias Schulz's article remarkably resembles Khalkhali’s derogatory and anti-Semitic comments. Khlakhali was compared to and known as the Heinrich Himmler of the Islamic Republic.
Der Spiegel's attack on Cyrus the Great who Jews consider as the ‘anointed of God’, seriously offended Iran’s Jewish community.
“Publishing such a racist article made it clear that the Germans have once again crossed "redlines" in their relationship with Jewish communities internationally,” said Rabbi Yazdani.
A Persian-Jewish blogger writes: “Der Spiegel with its Nazi style stance attacking Cyrus, grants legitimacy and supports the anti-Jewish stance by the Islamic Republic. The article is inflammatory, anti-Semitic in nature and it is in line with the policy of the fanatical regime in Tehran who are wishing that the Israeli and Jewish people will “vanish from the pages of time.”
“For Der Spiegel, Cyrus-bashing is perhaps is a way of a rebirth of the Neo-Nazis bolstering their status with anti-Semitic states in the Middle-East,” the blogger argued.
Another Iranian blogger suggested: "Spiegel should invite Nasser Pourpirar, Abbas Salimi Namin and Mahmood Ahmadinejad to work with Schulz in completing their Iranian-bashing and anti-Semitic task force."
The blogger suggests: "rather than the German newspaper and Mr Schulz wasting their time in rewriting history and attacking the man history has given him the title of 'the Great'. The man that his good deeds are recorded in the Old Testament and in the Greek historical accounts considering him as a role model of any great leader - they should concentrate on clearing the mess of their leaders' committed the biggest atrocity in human history, massacring over six million innocents lives, in the most savage and barbaric manner."
>>2328230chat is that true chat
chat,chat,chat, is foreal foreal?
like no cap, chat?
@grok is this true? >>2328224>people want to revive ancient egyptian religions for real?No no no it's not that.
It's the idea Egyptians are "not arabs" and are a "separate" people from a civilizational perspective.
I could go into detail with what I agree and disagree about that, but it's irrelevant and frankly uyghling on about the differences between each MENA people isn't progressive or beneficial to anybody.
>>2328187I apologize. I failed to recognize the alt, sub, quasi, post, micro-imperialism of Bhutanese, Burundian and Paraguayan finance capital.
>>2328204THAAT battery got damaged/destroyed. Refinery hit. Israelis complaining parts of Tel Aviv and Haifa look like Gaza now. Trump and zionists begging for de-escalation. Barrage of 30-50 missiles launched, with ~15 hits reported indicating they're running low on interceptors. Word Pakistani officials stated that if zionists nuke Iran. Pakistan will nuke Israel. Iraqi air defenses now aiding Iran in shooting down drones/missiles heading for Iran. American carriers being moved to the middle east. Several car bombs in Tehran which reportedly have killed senior officials and scientists but no clear footage (might be strategic deception on part of Iranians, or might be real). Also several Mossa agents caught, as well as trucks with drones, and a Mossad drone assembly plant within Iran.
>>2328257and to be fair, although I disagree with him, he did not call them 'subhuman'
you gotta stop with this "why do you want to see us dead" exaggeration
>>2328267I already did: I'm asking you to clarify.
>EvilIs moralist nonsense btw. And no I'm not going to "condemn" Iran in this war. Nor am I going to cheer on "regime change". Come back when there is an actual anti-war movement numbering in the millions, or actual mass protests in favor of labor rights, unions, worker power that extends beyond vague calls to "replace the government".
>>2328292So you're an actual lib. Good to know.
>Oh no what about the poor smol bean antisemitic expansionist sanation regimeDon't care. Should have invaded sooner so Barbarossa would have met soviet troops in east Prussia.
>>2328318>>evilSo you added a word that wasn't in my post and responded to it.
You're truly something lmao
>>2328312I think we're going to see hits on desalination and power plants soon.
No water, no electricity as a result of Netanyahu launching this war, on top of dead hostages and many still captured and the Gaza war still going on in parallel is going to sour the mood. It's easier to bear this when "your side" was attacked, instead of having instigated it. Especially after the other side's negotiators - including moderates who were willing to agree on almost everything, including no nuclear weapons, no enrichment beyond that vital for operating nuclear power plants and extensive monitoring in return for lifting sanctions - were murdered in cold blood.
>>2328331>lesser evil imperialist states???????
>>2328333but it is happening
monopoly capitalism is desperate, the american empire howls.
>>2328344this is actually depressing to look at
second hand embarrassment
>>2328318So Iran is imperialist per
>>2328187 and you have no response yet you're going to still support Iran regardless because lesser evilism. Nice
>>2328341I'm just extrapolating what you're arguing from. You support Iran while still acknowledging that it is a worker-murdering capital-exporting imperialist shithole.
>>2328364because if you're a third worldist revolution is theoretically impossible to take place
>third worlders can't do revolution cuz they have to support their wholesome bourgeoisie >first worlders can't do revolution cuz they're labor aristocracyif you're a third worldist you're the labor aristocracy
>>2328376Oh.
Well the three carriers are the HMS Prince of Wales, USS Carl Vinson and the USS Nimitz which is sailing to the middle east from Malaysia.
>>2328408they also arrested a member of the israeli communist youth
they're repressing the only anti-genocide coalition left
>>2328352Yes and? If tomorrow the US military started bombing "imperialist" Burundi, Bhutan and Paraguay are you going to to argue we should remain silent as well, or cheer on the collapse of these states in favor of some vague "regime change", in complete absence of a socialist or militant trade unionist mass movement?
I'm not saying the Iranian working class shouldn't push for concessions. But vague calls for "regime change" is lib nonsense. Only when the bourgeois state refuses to accept any more concessions (see German Revolution) is there reason pursue violent insurrection by a socialist mass movement. I wouldn't argue any different in case of Ukraine/Russia or other places.
There's also the question of war aims. What is the goal of the zionist regime? Is it integration of Iran as part of Israel, with all Iranians becoming equal Israeli citizens? No. Same goes for Gaza btw.
It's a brutal genocidal settler-colonial regime. And this changes the context and what are to be the desired outcomes in this war.
If Israel was a non-racist, multi-ethnic, mildly "socialist" or even merely "northern European" style socdem state, not hell bent on exterminating or expelling an entire people, I'd be a lot more comfortable with openly condemning the Iranian side.
But that's not the case. The victory of Israel in this case will not mean a more unified, prosperous middle east. It will mean the (now) unopposed genocide of over a million people in Gaza, and the destruction the Iranian state, which might descend into a Syria level civil war.
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>>2328187??
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>>2328438What did you write? You said Iranians are too subhuman to organize which is proven wrong by the post you're replying
>>2328352 then wrote a liberal word salad that no one is reading
congrats you lost to an inanimate comment while conceding on your eariler claim of Iran not being imperialist (it is imperialist but if they're not going rape workers someone else will!111111)
>>2328469it's both the workers feeding and protecting as well being protected and feeded, if one or the other don't exist the nation won't exist.
i simplified for retard consumption.
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>>2328435a person can be a communist without being working class (Engels for the most obivous example) and a person can be a worker without being communist.
>>2328429living in a settler-colony has nothing to do with whether you're a reserveless wage worker or not; worker is not an ethical category it's an economic category
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