>>2340229Nuke Tel Aviv
Nuke Cyprus
>>2340220A lot of thoughts and prayers and twitter denouncing from the """"ummah"""
Nothing else really
>>2340282Democratic centralism was a mistake.
All for organic centralism.
>>2340244>That's the only explanation I've got for why there's this pathological posting of Iranian "cucking" when we're seeing the direct video evidence of the most significant attacks on Israel since, what, the yom kippur war? I think people are talking with their feelings. I was elsewhere online and people were arguing about why Iran doesn't overwhelm Israel's AD all at once, and others were saying Khamenei has a master plan to apply pressure gradually (but they don't actually know that), but they had not considered looking up how many missile launchers Iran actually has. Which is reportedly around 150 before the war started. And they've launched as many as that in a single night. There was one missile strike that was in two waves that was around 150 ballistic missiles. The number has gone down since then, and one can only speculate why. I think it's a combination of having some of them destroyed, and they're dispersing others to prevent them from being destroyed, so they're still capable of launching missiles, but not as many as they could during the outset.
There are just certain hardass material constraints on what Iran can do. I don't get the sense that they're cucking. These ballistic missiles BTW are some awesome motherfuckers. Israel's anti-missile systems are the best in the world, but you see the damage these weapons can do when they break through the missile defense bubble. It's only now that everyone has a camera on their phone and can film an incoming ballistic missile attack and we see what it looks like.
>>2340275>I sometimes wonder what Stalin's rationale was?I think part of it was cynical realpolitik to undermine British interests. Israel also had more support among liberal Roosevelt types in the U.S. (and also American Jews) than in Britain, whose troops were getting shot at and bombed by Jewish insurgents in British Mandate Palestine. The British did allow Jewish immigration until the White Paper put a stop to it in 1939 (which the Jews saw as a betrayal) and also trained a few thousand of them during World War II in case Rommel took Egypt, but they really weren't friends at all in 1948. The British also really didn't like the Jews smuggling in and stockpiling weapons under their noses (which they did). And Stalin was more partial to these liberal types in the U.S. than the British and he wanted to split them, I think.
Another and possibly cynical motive was that an Israeli victory would spark social revolutions in Arab countries. There is some anecdotal evidence that Soviet diplomatic correspondence coming out of the Middle East at the time mentioned this as a potential upshot. The weapons came from Czechoslovakia, not directly via the USSR, (a lot of captured Axis weapons) and it wasn't like today where you have these people online who track down the origin of weapons by looking at pics of them on the internet.
>>2340280>Stalin himself was an anti-Semite who wanted to relocate all the Jews outside of the USSR.I think he wanted to relocate the Jews in Eastern Europe but not the USSR. They didn't allow Jews to emigrate from the USSR, and that became a point of contention with the refuseniks in the 1970s. But there were still hundreds of thousands of Jews sitting around in DP camps in Eastern Europe under Allied military authority. So what do you do with all these people? They had lost everything. Then there's some Polish family sitting in a house that used to belong to a Jewish family. Do the communists go and kick that family out and give the property back? It sounds like the right thing to do, but I don't think they wanted to do that.
>>2340275https://www.marxists.org/archive/rothstein-andrew/1953/03/zionism.htm
> The frightful massacres of the Jews in the Nazi-occupied countries of Europe from 1939 to 1945 proved a powerful recruiting agent for Palestine among the survivors. By 1946 there were 600,000 Jews there, and today there are 1,450,000—with a national minority of 120,000 Arabs: many hundreds of thousands of other Arabs were driven out of the country. In the course of the second world war the Zionist leaders had shifted their allegiance once again to the highest bidder—American imperialism, with hundreds of millions of dollars to invest—and when the new state of Israel was set up in May 1948, after bloody and protracted armed struggles, Jewish millionaires in the U.S.A. tools over in practice the leadership of the world Zionist organisation and liaison with the rulers of the new state, lending them $100 million—a sum which by the end of 1952 had (with grants) been nearly trebled.
>The Soviet Union, with the object of ending bloodshed, proposed in May, 1947, that the United Nations should recommend a dualnation democratic state in Palestine, or, failing that, separate states for Jews and Arabs. In doing so, its spokesmen always made it plain that they were concerned for the fate of the ‘Jews in Palestine’—as well as of the Arabs—and were not giving support to the Zionist pretension that Israel was to be the ‘national home’ of Jews throughout the world. The Soviet Union and the People’s Democracies established diplomatic relations with the new state as they would with any other state, capitalist or feudal, which wanted peaceful and friendly relations with them. When they gave material support to Israel, during the 1948 hostilities with the Arab States (which were incited by British imperialism to attack Israel), it was to help the Jewish people living there to defend themselves, not as backing for Zionism. As Ilya Ehrenburg wrote in a famous article in Pravda (September 21, 1948):
<In adition to invasion by Anglo-Arab hordes, Israel knows another invasion, less noisy but not less dangerous—by Anglo-American capital. . . . It is not representatives of the workers who head the State of Israel. We have all seen how the bourgeoisie of the European countries, with their great traditions and their ancient statehood, has betrayed national interests in the name of the dollar. Can Soviet people expect the Israeli bourgeois to have more conscience and foresight than the bourgeois of France or Italy? Hardly . . .
>Ehrenburg was right. The bourgeois Zionist rulers of Israel, not satisfied with maintaining capitalist exploitation in their own country, with national oppression of the Arab minority, have harnessed themselves in the service of the dollar. Their diplomatic missions have served the ends of American and British espionage in the countries of socialism. Their official spokesmen have incited the most savage hatred of the U.S.S.R.—the country which, by its victory at Stalingrad, signed Hitler’s death warrant and saved millions of Jews from destruction. Just as Herzl, in his Jewish State, promised ‘Europe’ that the Zionist state in Palestine would be ‘the outpost of civilisation, stemming the tide of barbarism’, so now his worthy successors are appealing to the U.S.A. to treat them as ‘the focal point of Western influence in the Middle East’ and ‘a better base for meeting Russian aggression than Egypt’ (Daily Telegraph New York correspondent, reporting a visit of the Israeli Ambassador to the State Department, February 12, 1953). >>2340345This is just whining at a word like some autist who cares deeply about what category the discussion is placed under, rather than just addressing the discussion
You need to go in the Anglo Box tbh
>>2340351Gili Cohen comments:
I would put a big question mark over the next two weeks, for two reasons: yesterday we heard Trump on camera displaying clear impatience; and in two weeks - 7/4 - is American Independence Day. I would guess that Trump would want the event, certainly if it includes American involvement, to be finished by then, and not just beginning.
>>2340381Then Слава Великая Россия
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>>2340351Is it fair to assume he's lying again and just setting up a surprise attack on Iran in the next few days?
Trump is fucking obsessed with manipulating the media. The Iranians would be really dumb to not prepare for a US strike in the next few days.
>>2340382If they need manufactured consent for the war, then there just isn’t going to be one. People remember and know WAY too much.
>>2340402>>2340399Yeah, it’s a sham poll.
>>2340368And how are they going the assassinate the Ayatollah? Most Israeli assassination were conducted with missile strikes. Missile assassination, the most common assassination tactic used by Israel only works with an element of surprise, where political leaders and high-ranking military officers are forced to conduct their daily business around certain governmental buildings as they can't go into hiding indefinitely under conditions of relative peace. Now that Israel is openly broadcasting to the world that they want to kill Khomeini, you really think that he hasn't been moved to a bunker under one of those several huge ass mountains that Iran is riddled with? Why hasn't Israel killed the Ayatollah in the first wave of Israeli strikes?
The same can be applied to a hypothetical Mossad sleeper agent tasked with murdering the Ayatollah. Why hasn't this agent reached him? Why would this agent be able kill him in the coming the days in particular of all possible moments in time if in all likelihood the Iranian secret service tightened security around the Supreme Leader and restricted the pool of people that are allowed to have direct contact him?
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https://tempestmag.org/2025/06/the-middle-east-in-flames-yet-again/The Middle East in flames—yet againby Imran Kamyana
In the opening days of Israel’s assault on Iran, Imran Kamyana assessed the social forces at play in the conflict. First published in the Asian Marxist Review.
>The Pakistan-India conflict in South Asia has not yet fully subsided when, in the Middle East, the flames of war between Iran and Israel have once again flared up. Fundamentally, this is a continuation of Israel’s unchecked aggression in the region, during which Gaza has been ravaged and the genocide of Palestinians continues unabated. Against this backdrop, the ongoing tensions between Iran and Israel have, since last year, intermittently escalated into direct confrontations, including missile and drone attacks on each other.
>But this time, the intensity of the conflict is many times greater and its nature far more serious. It began on June 13 with a barrage of Israeli missiles on Iran—marking the largest attack on Iranian soil since the Iran-Iraq war. The assault is still ongoing, and according to Israeli officials, could continue indefinitely. Notably, this strike came precisely at a time when nuclear negotiations between Iran and the United States were underway. Trump had repeatedly suggested that he did not want a new war in the Middle East and preferred resolving matters with Iran through dialogue. However, following the Israeli attack, the continuation of these talks has become virtually impossible—just as Netanyahu would have wished.
>But the problem now is not just the scale or intensity of the attack, but the nature of the damage inflicted on Iran. In the early stages of the assault, not only were most of Iran’s top military leadership, including heads of the army and the Revolutionary Guard, killed—alongside key nuclear scientists—but critical nuclear facilities and military infrastructure also suffered severe damage. This is a far greater humiliation for Iran than the July 2024 assassination of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran at the hands of Israel. It also indicates that Mossad’s network within Iran is far more extensive and effective than previously estimated. Meanwhile, contrary to its outward bravado and bold rhetoric, the Iranian state appears internally hollow and fragile, with its counterintelligence system repeatedly proving ineffective.
>This vulnerability stems not only from imperialist sanctions, pressure, and sabotage but also from decades of internal repression, widespread corruption within the clerical elite, and deep internal contradictions. (In fact, it’s even questionable how trustworthy the replacements for the slain military commanders will be.) Fundamentally, this is an ideological crisis of the Iranian state, now manifesting in political and military terms. In such circumstances, the possibility that the Iranian state might collapse under the weight of intense external aggression and pressure cannot be ruled out.
>However, Israel’s own situation is far from stable. A prolonged war or state of conflict—largely dependent on Iran’s capacity for resistance—could spark major unrest within Israel itself. Netanyahu and his clique may face a potential popular uprising, and even the imperialist powers, fed up with this gang’s relentless adventurism, could be pushed to take drastic measures.
>Following the Israeli attack, it took Iran nearly 18 hours to regain its composure, consolidate its military capabilities, and decide on a response—despite the fact that the Israeli assault had been largely anticipated. Yet Iran had no option other than to retaliate against Israel. This counterattack—or series of counterattacks—was ongoing at the time of writing [June 14], with claims that Israeli military bases and airfields have been damaged. Despite Israel’s modern and highly effective air defense systems, several missiles have landed in the capital, Tel Aviv, reportedly causing dozens of injuries and multiple fatalities.
>Although Iran’s latest attack may not match Israel’s in terms of effectiveness and destruction, it is nonetheless extraordinary and unprecedented. Moreover, Iran has issued threats to target U.S. and other Western bases in the event of their direct intervention. Thus, the situation remains fluid and rapidly evolving, with the potential to spiral into a large-scale catastrophe.
>These fears are already being reflected in rising oil prices in global markets and plunging stock exchanges. Clearly, if the war drags on or expands further, the already crisis-ridden global economy could plunge into a deep recession. A steady stream of condemnations and appeals is coming from major powers. However, the so-called “international community”—including the United Nations, China, and Russia—is, in practice, playing the role of a helpless spectator or, particularly in the case of the major Western powers, actively engaged in apologism for and facilitation of Israel’s actions.
>Behind Netanyahu’s unchecked aggression lie several driving forces: his desperate attempts at political survival, the internal crisis of Zionism, and Israel’s rapidly deteriorating global image. But just as importantly, the historic crisis of U.S. imperialism and its increasingly weakening grip over its own puppets also play a critical role. This is once again evident from the vague—and at times contradictory—statements made by U.S. officials following the Israeli attack. This confusion is not merely a matter of American hypocrisy; it reflects a deeper fragmentation and internal confusion within the U.S. state itself, a disarray that has only intensified under Trump’s second term in office.
>For several years now, the situation has reached a point where, at every crucial juncture, the U.S. finds itself compelled to follow Israel’s lead and justify its actions—even when unwilling to do so. Trump is, at his core, a narcissistic, ill-mannered, volatile, reckless, and unreliable individual who changes his stance every few hours. He is fond of making loud boasts, but when faced with stronger opposition or serious threats, he quickly backs down. Under such conditions, it’s not hard to imagine the extent to which even his allies and subordinates actually trust him.
>But if today the reins of the most powerful economic and military empire in human history are in the hands of such a person, then this is not just an individual failing—it is a reflection of the deep crisis of the entire existing imperialist system. History is replete with examples where declining systems brought incompetent or clownish figures to power, who then only accelerated the collapse of the very system they ruled.
>The current devastation in the Middle East has a historical backdrop rooted in centuries of colonial plunder, the carving up of the region, and its division into artificial states—spearheaded primarily by British and French imperialism. The establishment of Israel in 1949 as an outpost of Western imperialism was a continuation of this legacy of domination and exploitation. The unnatural Zionist state has been nurtured as a brutal and ruthless enforcer to maintain foreign imperialist control over this oil-rich region. As long as it exists, the region cannot hope for stability or prosperity.
>However, the theocratic state of Iran, born out of a bloody counter-revolution in 1979, holds no progressive credentials either. Granting it political legitimacy or support under the guise of being “anti-imperialist” is a blatant ideological crime. The hands of this sectarian religious regime are also stained with the blood of countless innocents—both within Iran and beyond—including tens of thousands of communists, workers, and women. In the past decade and a half alone, Iran has witnessed at least ten major protest movements, all of which were brutally crushed. Yet the right to determine Iran’s future belongs solely to its people, and only they—through class unity and revolutionary action—can confront and overthrow this oppressive theocratic state while replacing it with something better.
>A fundamentalist, grafted, illegitimate, and imperialist thug-state like Israel can never be a liberator of the Iranian people, nor does it have any right to intervene in or launch “pre-emptive strikes” on any country in the region. Strategically, every blow landed on Israel is welcome. However, the present situation also makes it clear that Israel cannot be defeated on religious-ideological or capitalist-economic grounds. This is not merely a military issue, either. This cancer—whose roots also lie deep within the reactionary and subservient Arab regimes—requires revolutionary surgery to be eradicated.
>Clearly, this historic task is tied to dismantling imperialist capitalism across the entire region, including Iran—a task that only the working masses of the Middle East can fulfill. >>2340500Do Americans really think eliminating Khomenei will end the theocracy?
>>2340518Sanders is a Senator, this is a House resolution.
>>2340524This is her. Yashar Ali is a Bernie fan Iranian American. He strongly dislikes the shah while also disliking government. He's gay
Look at how she talks to him. She is an Iranian monarchist jew
>>2340523webm is video, webp is image
what are you even trying to say
Only 65% of the missiles launched by Iran in the last 24 hours were intercepted
Israel is legitimately fucked.
https://www.nbcnews.com/world/middle-east/live-blog/live-updates-israel-iran-reactor-hospital-rcna213904#rcrd82778
>Only 65% of the missiles launched by Iran in the last 24 hours were intercepted by the country's iron dome system versus almost 90% the day before, a senior intelligence official in Israel told NBC News.
>"Iran still has very advanced missiles, and they are making use of them," said the former top level Israeli intelligence official, who still receives daily government briefings.>>2340600>“Until yesterday, we got an early warning of about 10 to 11 minutes before the missiles actually fell. But this morning, it was six or seven minutes. It means that the missiles were probably much faster than the previous ones," the person said. "More importantly, the Iranians do have a navigation system for the final phase of the attack that helps them to be very precise and to attack exactly the targets that they wish, like the hospital today in Beersheba.”
>Iran still has advanced missiles, Israeli intelligence official says, continued
>A longtime observer of Iranian activities in the region, the official added that the regime, despite having suffered significant leadership losses when Israel launched its surprise attack last week, still has missile stockpiles that could sustain their retaliatory strikes for long stretches, describing their approach as “strategic patience.”
>Arguing that some in Israel and across the region have written off the country’s response ability prematurely, he added that the regime has “the resolve and the ability to continue and to sustain the attacks so we have to be much more careful whenever we speak about the imminent collapse of the regime, which is far from being true.” >>2340639lol @
Dr. Mengele
>>2340645She kinda looks like the red woman in game of throbbed
thrones
https://newpol.org/it-is-time-to-distinguish-our-position-decisively/It Is Time to Distinguish Our Position Decisively
<Collective Statement Against War, Warmongering, and Illusions About Foreign Invasion
>By: Iranian Intellectuals Against Israel-Iran WarJune 16, 2025
>This statement is an invitation to think about responsibility and agency in the current momentous situation. The signatories call on all to open an alternative pathway to counter both the Iranian regime’s warmongering and those who have set their hopes on foreign invasion and encourage it.
>The war has started. Every war has a background and various causes. Highlighting this or that cause should not lead us to ignore the immediate cause. If so, all wars become inevitable. The immediate cause that has made this war inevitable is Israel’s attack on Iran. This attack was launched with the knowledge of the U.S., and has relied on U.S. intelligence sharing and what Trump called “great American equipment” which makes the U.S. a partner. It has been praised by the president of the U.S.
>Israel’s pretext for this attack was to counter a nuclear threat from Iran. Let us not forget that Israel itself is a country that has been pursuing a secret military nuclear program and has not joined the Treaty on the Nonproliferation of Nuclear Weapons. It is currently promoting the biggest mass slaughter of the century and has become infamous for its brazen and rogue behavior in international relations. Therefore, it should be the last country entitled to opine on the nuclear programs of other countries, much less use this as a pretext to engage in military action against them.
>Iran’s rule by Islamic Jurisprudence shows off its power by repressing women, workers, retirees, university students, intellectuals and others who seek freedom, justice and an end to discrimination. Although it cannot match the wave of Israeli assaults which might soon expand through direct U.S. collaboration, it continues its warmongering.
>The regime of Islamic Jurisprudence resorted to uranium to survive. What started as a strategy for survival, gradually expanded. A large security, technological and economic establishment was built around it. The ruling class benefited from it. When sanctions were imposed on Iran, it viewed them as an opportunity to make money by smuggling goods in and out, raising prices in the production and distribution network, and increasing the intensity of exploitation. The cult of uranium and its enrichment organization was placed at the center of the military-ideological-economic multiplex of the rule of Islamic Jurisprudence. This regime gambled the entire wealth of the country on uranium enrichment. The obvious result of uranium enrichment became the impoverishment of the county and the further impoverishment of the dispossessed. The economic and security benefits of the ruling establishment created a stagnation force which led to the regime’s rulers not recognizing the gravity of the latest situation. And now the regime is doing irreparable damage to the country with its warmongering.
>However, we also need to view the problem from the vantage point of the responsibility and agency of civil society and political forces that demand freedom, justice and peace. It is regrettable that Iran’s nuclear program did not become a major issue in the public sphere. This is due to the lack of sensitivity to the topics of nuclear militarism, environmental pollution, and war in general. We can also attribute this to nationalist thought that considers nuclear capacity “an absolute right” and to the paucity of theoretical and analytical discussion concerning the role of the cult of uranium in the repressive establishment and political economy of the regime.
>We should have turned Iran’s nuclear program into a topic of discussion and enlightenment at the public level. We should have consistently highlighted the connection between uranium enrichment and the impoverishment of the county. We should have tied every protest against poverty and deprivation to this issue. At opportune moments, we should have demanded referenda on the nuclear program, as the program on which the regime is gambling the entire wealth of the country. Now we need to make up for this negligence.
>War darkens and polarizes the political atmosphere. The regime will continue its usual style of polarizing the environment and will present itself as the side which can defend the country and win the war. We should not side with the regime. Instead, we should consistently remind people about its warmongering, the failure of its authoritarian plans in the region and its baseness and bullying.
>However, there is another effort at polarization which presents itself as the alternative to the Iranian regime’s war of “right against wrong.” In this alternative, Netanyahu and Trump present themselves as “right.” Simply saying that people’s desperation makes them set their hopes on foreign invasion does not take away from the stupidity of this “alternative.” From the time of the Constitutional Revolution [1906-1911] to the present, the people of Iran have struggled for freedom and equality. It is beneath them to set their hopes on killers, authoritarians, racists and enemies of democracy and human equality.
>Confusion in taking positions has a long history, and all of us have contributed to it by not doing enough critical thinking. This confusion has become very dangerous. We must play a decisive role in clarifying and distinguishing positions, and shed illumination on the reasons which have brought about the current situation. We call on all to comment on this by focusing on the current war. The main question is how to achieve peace and freedom.
>Our specific demands:
<End the war: Put pressure on the Iranian regime and international pressure on Israel and the U.S. and their allies who promote war. >End the insane nuclear program. We need to demand a referendum inside Iran. <Strengthen ties among forces who demand an end to the rule of Islamic Jurisprudence but also rely on the people and foundational norms of freedom, equality and an end to discrimination.
>In the alternative politics that we seek to strengthen, the principle of coming together is the means and ends. We believe that war and setting hopes on foreign military powers is definitely not compatible with the goal of freedom, justice and independence. https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/iranian-abyss-will-us-take-the-plunge
>There is one thing to explain it, which takes us to the main point of this article. Israel clearly expected a very swift capitulation by Iran via a series of debilitating decapitation strikes which only partially succeeded. When that didn’t happen, and when Iran began raining down retaliatory blows, the Israeli-led bloc panicked and began to exert tremendous pressure on Trump to save the ‘chosen’ kingdom.
>Part of it has to do with Israel not being equipped for long, drawn-out attritional warfare: https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-858121
>The Jerusalem Post article above confirms:
<“Neither the US nor the Israelis can continue to sit and intercept missiles all day,” said Tom Karako, director of the Missile Defense Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “The Israelis and their friends need to move with all deliberate haste to do whatever needs to be done, because we cannot afford to sit and play catch.”
>Israel needed a quick operation to disable Iran, and was likely counting on the US to enter the war. But this should be tempered with the fact that Israel does claim they have prepared for the potential of a long-running conflict, but presumably only under the total aegis of the US and the West completely backstopping them in every facet, particularly weapons, fuel, etc.
>So what did Iran do? Iran, it appears, has chosen a similar strategy to Russia—which is to deliberately slow the conflict down and stretch Israel’s resources. Israel expected Iran to “splurge” and launch its entire complement of missiles not only to immediately exhaust itself, but also to invite a huge ‘tragedy’ that can be used to incite the US’ entry into the war. Instead, Iran chose to bleed Israel dry slowly with the ‘death by a thousand cuts’ strategy developed by Russia against the Atlanticist empire in Ukraine.
>Thus, Iran is now sending small volleys of missiles daily to grind down Israel’s social, economic, and political resources.
>Why has Iran chosen this strategy? Because it’s the only one with a chance of success, as giving Israel a massive “shock and awe” campaign would merely play into its hands and give the Israelis exactly what they were looking for. One report indicated that Israel had prepared for 5,000+ Israeli casualties from the Iranian strikes and clearly did not expect Iran to instead choose a slow-broil method: >>2340829Topkek
I don’t like him because of his sliminess and opportunism but this was good
>>2340829How is he just now noticing this?
Every pro-West twitter account is Indian and every pro-BRICS twitter account is Pakistani. This has been true for years.
>>2340830Frieza=Israel
Namekians=Palestinians
Saiyans=Iranians
Super Saiyan=Hezbollah
>>2340839trvke
everybody online is indian or pakistani or an ai bot
https://www.thomasfazi.com/p/ukraine-and-iran-two-fronts-of-a?
>Indeed, as Tariq Ali noted, Trump’s threats against Iran should be seen as part of a wider plan against China:
< The main purpose for destabilising Iran is to get concessions from them. And the concessions are not simply on nuclear reactors. I think there’s a more serious plan to which is to make it impossible for Iran as a sovereign state to negotiate and sell oil and gas directly to China.
< The US would like to be the power that determines to whom energy is sold and under what conditions. It’s part of their big plan to surround and lay siege to China… they are concerned and worried about the development of China as a major economic power and they want to control it. So in my opinion, the threats against Iran are more to do with that than anything else.
>In such a scenario, Russia and China would likely respond — not necessarily with direct military intervention, but by flooding Iran with weapons, intelligence and possibly extending a nuclear umbrella as a deterrent. Indeed, China is already backing Iran. As one X user noted:
<Iran’s recent missile strikes have become notably more precise, largely due to China granting it access to the advanced BeiDou satellite navigation system. If Pakistan is visibly supporting Iran, it’s unlikely to be acting alone. China supplies most of Pakistan’s military hardware, and its logistical and technical backing is essential to any sustained Pakistani operation. https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/aipac-democrats-israel-iran
>The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) has been furiously urging House Democrats to release messages of steadfast support for Israel in its war with Iran, the Prospect and Drop Site News have learned, even as bipartisan lawmakers come together on a War Powers Act resolution to prevent U.S. troops or funds being used in yet another Middle East conflagration.
>One member relayed that a colleague had received literally 100 phone calls from members of AIPAC and its allied pressure groups. AIPAC wants House Democratic members to state explicitly that they “stand with Israel” in its actions against Iran aimed at destroying the Islamic Republic’s nuclear capability, and add that Iran “must never have a nuclear weapon.”
>In addition, AIPAC has taken particular pains to denigrate the moderate pro-Israel group J Street, both in private conversations with members of Congress and in public, picking a fight aimed at blocking any Democrats from using J Street as cover to deviate from AIPAC’s maximalist position. “They’re worried their members in Congress may start to shift toward J Street and they’re trying to head that off,” said an aide to one Democrat.
>“I did see that AIPAC took issue with my statement,” said Rep. Pramila Jayapal of Washington state. “They were taking on J Street for endorsing me, which was ridiculous.” To get a sense of how extreme AIPAC’s demands are, note that J Street’s own statement merely calls for diplomacy while still supporting Israel. “We urge the Trump Administration to meaningfully pursue a diplomatic resolution to this conflict as quickly as possible while making clear the US will do what is necessary to defend Israel and US troops from retaliation,” the statement read.
>AIPAC issued the same tweet in response to any statement that fell short of its expectations, such as one by Rep. Greg Casar of Texas, which called for a diplomatic resolution: “Consistent pattern: J Street endorsees issue anti-Israel statements. @jstreetdotorg is many things, but it’s not pro-Israel.”
>The messages reflect one way special interests shape policies in Washington, where a conforming statement is a metric lobbyists can cite to show their dominance. While not everyone received this bombardment of communications from AIPAC officials—particularly progressives who have made their views known about Israel’s actions—judging by a substantial portion of House Democrats, the effort appears to be having an effect.
>According to a review of member statements at their congressional websites and on social media, 28 House Democrats have issued messages saying explicitly that they “stand with Israel,” or some close variation thereof. Another 35 express unequivocal support for Israel without using the magic words “stand with Israel” precisely, but they leave no doubt as to the member’s support. And 16 others express “soft” support for Israel, without quite the same inflammatory language.
>Three statements have been held up by AIPAC in particular, according to sources familiar with the situation, as models for others to follow. Those are from Reps. Greg Landsman (D-OH), Mike Levin (D-CA), and George Whitesides (D-CA). All are “frontline” members who had relatively close elections in 2024.
>“Israel is justifiably defending itself and its people,” Landsman said in his statement. “Iran’s nuclear program isn’t just an existential threat to Israel and the Middle East, it’s a threat to the world … I stand with Israel and the rest of the West as we confront this threat together.” Levin similarly states that “the Iranian regime … must never obtain a nuclear weapon … No nation can be expected to stand by while another openly threatens its existence.” Whitesides, a freshman from northern Los Angeles County, followed suit: “The government of Iran, which has sown death and destruction across the Middle East for decades, cannot be allowed to develop an operational nuclear weapon, and we must stand with our ally Israel.”
>The “stand with Israel” caucus includes some usual suspects who have long backed up Israel’s actions, from Reps. Ted Lieu and Brad Sherman in California, to Reps. Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Lois Frankel in Florida, to Problem Solvers and New Democrats like Josh Gottheimer (D-NJ) and Brad Schneider (D-IL). But freshman and swing-state members are also well represented—precisely the type of members who survive on large campaign donations from the likes of AIPAC.
>First-term representatives Johnny Olszewski (D-MD), April McClain Delaney (D-MD), Herbert Conaway (D-NJ), John Mannion (D-NY), and Suhas Subramanyam (D-VA) were all in the explicit “stand with Israel” caucus, while freshman members Luz Rivas (D-CA), Sarah Elfreth (D-MD), Maggie Goodlander (D-NH), Laura Gillen (D-NY), and George Latimer (D-NY) agreed with the sentiment but without the explicit “stand with Israel” wording. Other members in perennially difficult electoral battles, like Reps. Jared Golden (D-ME) and Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (D-WA), stood with Israel as well, along with numerous members of the Congressional Black Caucus.
>Rep. Mikie Sherrill (D-NJ), who recently won the nomination for governor of New Jersey, also released a statement that reflected hard support for Israel. Her race in the general election against Republican Jack Ciattarelli will be prohibitively expensive. >>2340895>SaltNice one
>>2340220>What do you think would happen if Israel Samson'd the black islam cube?Not even CIA want a war with Iran, they're prioritizing Taiwan now
>>2339654Just like this Lenin anon told us
>>2340921you may have lost your son, but I had to postpone mine's wedding
We are all the same in this war, peasa–uhhh I mean, comrades!!
>>2340923it's Mr Bigiff Troo
He was shot
>>2340933if "hezbollah sleeper cells" kills random americans, you know it's mossad
if "hezbollah sleeper cells" kill every single aipac donor 1 by 1 then you know it's really them
>>2340889This is one of the weirdest memes to come out at this particular moment.
We're seeing a terrible number of terrible things happening. And a gradual, but seemingly ceaseless, escalation of terrible things.
Yet the meme is that Nothing Happens. Insane! We are, as awful as it is, living through a historical period.
And yes, you do still have to go to work. Even in the middle of bombardments and total war that are happening right on top of them, people still have to go to work. Going to work is not a metric for things happening or not happening. Life continues amidst change, rather than ends.
>>2340937Hey, that's not true. What about… uh… Well there's that… the uh… Hold on, uh… Just…
Well there's Gal Gadot. She's pretty, right?
>>2340956Plus any false flag is going to immediately divide people on
>it wasn’t real or
>it was real and we deserved itI mean I think they already scrapped the Nimitz false flag because even the crew caught on.
>>2340953Again, it's so weird to say this while also pointing out, as evidence, a clear destabilization of the world order. And in a thread about a major war, done in the middle of a genocide.
It really seems like your idea of "something happening" just death. This is not something happening. This is the end of anything happening. Dying, and the world breaking, is the final, total "nothing ever happens." But it's not something that happens to history, it's something that happens to YOU.
Things happen during change, are the things that are in fact, bringing about the change. And when we look back, if we as individuals are still alive to see it, we will remember this as a period of tragedy and change.
>>2341000Tamra, a city in northern Israel where four members of a Palestinian family were killed by a missile fired from Iran this week
Multipolaroids will defend this
>>2341000>“In the occupied territories: in the West Bank and certainly in Gaza, the situation is far worse – residents are not only left unprotected against foreign missile attacks but are also defenceless in the face of … Israeli daily attacks.”I'm telling you iran needs to use those drones to hit the west bank settlements specially those closest to jordan
>>2341004I trust this guy
>>2341034I think it's not exactly this kind of arms dealer attitude, because then we would expect them to "sell to both sides." Actually they really want to destroy one side. They believe their fates are closely tied to the primacy of the US and thus want to use thier power to dominate or destroy its declared enemies. They aren't necessarily trying even to just do something as simple as "make money", and they definitely don't want to build technology for humans or advance science for the sake of knowledge. They want power to control and dominate.
They do see this an opportunity to sell tech to Israel, specifically, they understand that the "unregulated" warfighting of Israel opens new technology markets that sell products that do almost comical, villainous things with new technology and AI in particular. Humanoids, drones, and missiles, augmented with AI, that are designed not just to kill but to enforce terror and demoralization. They want to get creative with the ways that new technology like this can be used offensively and weaponized.
>>2341058I know this is from a while ago but
>25Eesh.
>>2341060twitter. just go to the xcancel alternate front end, search "massacre' and filter by video
More than 45 martyrs and hundreds of injuries, the Nasser Medical Complex arrived as a result of the massacre of the occupation for the right of citizens waiting for aids on the solution roundabout in Khan Younis Governorate this morning.death to israel. burgers should million man march on the aipac headquarters
For Trump, ‘two weeks’ is always the magic number.
“Within the next two weeks.”
That is when President Trump now says he will be ready to make his decision about bombing Iran or not. This new timeline was offered by the White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt at her briefing Thursday afternoon. But as she read the president’s statement aloud, some in the room couldn’t help but feel that this new time frame sounded a little … familiar.
As almost everyone in Washington is by now aware, “two weeks” is one of Mr. Trump’s favorite units of time.
Asked eight weeks ago if he could trust Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, Mr. Trump replied, “I’ll let you know in about two weeks.”
Tax plans, health care policies, evidence of conspiracy theories he claimed were true, the fight against ISIS, the opening of some coal mines, infrastructure plans — all were at one point or another riddles he promised to solve for the public in about two weeks.
It is a slippery thing, this two weeks — not a measurement of time so much as a placeholder. Two weeks for Mr. Trump can mean something, or nothing at all. It is both a yes and a no. It is delaying while at the same time scheduling. It is not an objective unit of time, it is a subjective unit of time. It is completely divorced from any sense of chronology. It simply means later. But later can also mean never. Sometimes.
Is the United States going to bomb Iran? We don’t know. Will we actually find out the answer to that question within two weeks? We don’t know that either.
A reporter in the briefing room tried to bring Mr. Trump’s timeline into our shared space time continuum but the White House didn’t seem ready for that voyage.
>>2341069spam the video in this post
>>2341059 at Laura Loomer
>>2341057>>2341063SEYMOUR HERSH ARTICLE - WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD IS COMING IN IRAN
>This is a report on what is most likely to happen in Iran, as early as this weekend, according to Israeli insiders and American officials I’ve relied upon for decades. It will entail heavy American bombing. I have vetted this report with a longtime US official in Washington, who told me that all will be “under control” if Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei “departs.” Just how that might happen, short of his assassination, is not known. There has been a great deal of talk about American firepower and targets inside Iran, but little practical thinking, as far I can tell, about how to remove a revered religious leader with an enormous following.
> I have reported from afar on the nuclear and foreign policy of Israel for decades. My 1991 book The Samson Option told the story of the making of the Israeli nuclear bomb and America’s willingness to keep the project secret. The most important unanswered question about the current situation will be the response of the world, including that of Vladimir Putin, the Russian president who has been an ally of Iran’s leaders.
> The United States remains Israel’s most important ally, although many here and around the world abhor Israel’s continuing murderous war in Gaza. The Trump administration is in full support of Israel’s current plan to rid Iran of any trace of a nuclear weapons program while hoping the ayatollah-led government in Tehran will be overthrown.
>I have been told that the White House has signed off on an all-out bombing campaign in Iran, but the ultimate targets, the centrifuges buried at least eighty meters below the surface at Fordow, will, as of this writing, not be struck until the weekend. The delay has come at Trump’s insistence because the president wants the shock of the bombing to be diminished as much as possible by the opening of Wall Street trading on Monday. (Trump took issue on social media this morning with a Wall Street Journal report that said he had decided on the attack on Iran, writing that he had yet to decide on a path forward.)
>Fordow is home to the remaining majority of Iran’s most advanced centrifuges that have produced, according to recent reports of the International Atomic Energy Agency, to which Iran is a signatory, nine hundred pounds of uranium enriched to 60 percent, a short step from weapons-grade levels.
>The most recent Israeli bombing attacks on Iran have made no attempts to destroy the centrifuges at Fordow, which are stored at least eighty meters underground. It has been agreed, as of Wednesday, that US bombers carrying bunker bombs capable of penetrating to that depth, will begin attacking the Fordow facility this weekend.
>The delay will give US military assets throughout the Middle East and the Eastern Mediterranean—there are more than two dozen US Air Force bases and Navy ports in the region—a chance to prepare for possible Iranian retaliation. The assumption is that Iran still has some missile and air force capability that will be on US bombing lists. “This is a chance to do away with this regime once and for all,” an informed official told me today, “and so we might as well go big.” He said, however, “that it will not be carpet bombing.”
>The planned weekend bombing will also have new targets: the bases of the Republican Guards, which have countered those campaigning against the revolutionary leadership since the violent overthrow of the shah of Iran in early 1979.
>The Israeli leadership under Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hopes that the bombings will provide “the means of creating an uprising” against Iran’s current regime, which has shown little tolerance for those who defy the religious leadership and its edicts. Iranian police stations will be struck. Government offices that house files on suspected dissenters in Iran will also be attacked.
>The Israelis apparently also hope, so I gather, that Khamenei will flee the country and not make a stand until the end. I was told that his personal plane left Tehran airport headed for Oman early Wednesday morning, accompanied by two fighter planes, but it is not known whether he was aboard.
> Only two thirds of Iran’s population of 90 million are Persians. The largest minority groups include Azeris, many of whom have long-standing covert ties to the Central Intelligence Agency, Kurds, Arabs, and Baluchis. Jews make up a small minority group there, too. (Azerbaijan is the site of a large secret CIA base for operations in Iran.)
>Bringing back the shah’s son, now living in exile in near Washington, has never been considered by the American and Israeli planners, I was told. But there has been talk among the White House planning group that includes Vice President J.D. Vance, of installing a moderate religious leader to run the country if Khamenei is deposed. The Israelis bitterly objected to the idea. “They don’t give a shit on the religious issue, but demand a political puppet to control,” the longtime US official said. “We are split with the Izzies on this. Result would be permanent hostility and future conflict in perpetuity, Bibi desperately trying to draw US in as their ally against all things Muslim, using the plight of the citizens as propaganda bait.”
>There is the hope in the American and Israeli intelligence communities, I was told, that elements of the Azeri community will join in a popular revolt against the ruling regime, should one develop during the continued Israeli bombing. There also is the thought that some members of the Revolutionary Guard would join in what I was told might be “a democratic uprising against the ayatollahs”—a long-held aspiration of the US government. The sudden and successful overthrow of Bashar al-Assad in Syria was cited as a potential model, although Assad’s demise came after a long civil war.
> It is possible that the result of the massive Israeli and US bombing attack could leave Iran in a state of permanent failure, as happened after the Western intervention in Libya in 2011. That revolt resulted in the brutal murder of Muammar Gaddafi, who had kept the disparate tribes there under control. The futures of Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon, all victims of repeated outside attacks, are far from settled.
> Donald Trump clearly wants an international win he can market. To accomplish that, he and Netanyahu are taking America to places it has never been. >>2341076>There is the hope in the American and Israeli intelligence communities, I was told, that elements of the Azeri community will join in a popular revolt against the ruling regimeBASED TRUMP is expanding the
AZERI SSR just in time for the
Restablishment of the USSR!!
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/far-more-americans-oppose-us-strikes-iran-support-them-pollFar more Americans oppose US strikes on Iran than support them: Poll
<Nearly half of all respondents also said they believe Iran's nuclear potential could pose a threat to the
>Fewer than half of Americans surveyed oppose US strikes on Iran, with that figure dwarfing the number of people who do support military action, a new poll published by The Washington Post on Wednesday has found.
>A random sampling of 1,008 US adults was texted by the paper to respond to several questions on what may be impending US operational involvement in air strikes on Iran, following Israel's attacks, which began on 13 June.
>Results showed that 45 percent of respondents oppose US strikes "at this time" and only 25 percent said they support them, creating a significant 20-point margin.
>The remaining 30 percent of respondents said they were "unsure".
>Among Democrats, two-thirds oppose US military action, while among Republicans, only 24 percent are opposed.
>Those who said they do not identify with either political party largely oppose the strikes, at a figure of 44 percent.
>The results showed that households with links to the US military showed less opposition to US strikes than those with no links. Still, in both cases, the majority of respondents do not want the US to attack Iran.
>When The Post asked how much news they've heard about Israel's attacks on Iran and Iran's retaliation, 39 percent of respondents said "a good amount", but it was unclear what their sources of news were.
<Opposing military action
>However, The Post noted that support for US strikes on Iran was highest among people paying the most attention to the news. The caveat is that even within this particular group, more respondents oppose military action than support it.
>Nearly equal amounts of US adults - 31 percent and 30 percent, respectively - said they either heard "a great deal" of news or "little to nothing" about Israel and Iran.
>Only one-fifth of all respondents said Iran's nuclear potential poses "an immediate threat" to the US. Most are Republicans.
>Nearly half of all respondents, 48 percent, said it is a "somewhat serious threat", while 23 percent said it is a "minor threat".
>Just seven percent of respondents do not believe Iran's nuclear potential poses any threat to the US at all.
>Among Republicans, Democrats, and those who identify with neither, between 45 and 50 percent of respondents said the threat is "somewhat serious".
>The vast majority of those surveyed, 82 percent, expressed concern about US involvement in the conflict, with 39 percent saying they are "very concerned".
>Democrats looked to be the most concerned, while Republicans were the least concerned, the results showed.
>The figures come as President Donald Trump reportedly weighs the prospect of dropping a one-of-a-kind 30,000 lb "bunker-buster" bomb on Iran's Fordow nuclear plant. Israel has made it clear it wants the US to join its attacks on Iran, not only to dismantle its nuclear capability, but also to collapse its governing structure.
>Iran maintains that its nuclear research and enrichment are only for civilian purposes and to meet its energy needs.
>The UN's nuclear watchdog and US intelligence assessments both indicate that Iran does not yet have the required elements to build a nuclear weapon. >>2341076All of this is the US neocons banking on Iran being another fragile dictatorship that will all come crashing down the moment the Ayatollah is out of the picture. This isn't the case. His assassination would probably spur Iranians to finish their nuke and drop it on Tel Aviv in retaliation.
I don't know how neocons consistently fall for the "it'll be a quick and easy operation" meme.
https://cunnyx.com/moshimoshimoan/status/1935495933489242456?s=42I jack off at the thought if America joining the war and Iran being flattened
Iran:
Religious theocracy
Anti-Marxist ideology
Leftist suppression
Western alliances
>>2341120Camerman calls it anarchist at 0:08
MLoids shitting themselves in anger
>>2341158Republicans like this might split the party, there are now starting to come entire sections of "MAGA" opposed to Zionism considering Israel a burden to the US (under the view that AIPAC is serving foreign interests and that America first is top priority).
Awesome stuff, I hope it unravels.
Watched a video about 12 hours ago of a guy with a US flag wrapped around him and a MAGA hat arguing against a zionist, calling him anti-american because he saw him coming in with an israel flag at some event. If anyone has it please do post, can't seem to find it anymore.
CNN: The hope among Trump and his advisers is that Iran will relent on its hardline position and agree to terms it had previously rejected, including abandoning its enrichment of uranium, according to US officials.
CNN: Witkoff and Vance were ready to be dispatched to the region earlier this week, but Trump grew wary and they were never sent
CNN: US officials have low expectations for the meeting between European officials and Iranian representatives on Friday.
CNN: Two US officials say Iran has "consistently" told them they will not engage in talks with the US unless the Israeli operation ends
CNN: US officials say Iran has given no indication it will give up on nuclear enrichment. No talks between the US and Iran have been scheduled.
CNN: Trump appears to be placing hope in a diplomatic solution that is out of reach
CNN: In the situation room meetings, Trump has "quizzed advisers" about the likelihood that US bunker-busters would actually work, and how long the operation would last
CNN: Trump is insisting that he wants to avoid a multi-year conflict, citing concerns from Steve Bannon, who he had lunch with on Thursday
CNN: Trump is worried about a longer-term war, and advisers have told him it is impossible to predict, which Trump has not found satisfactory, according to one official
CNN: An Israeli intelligence official said they are dismayed that Trump won't make a decision one way or the other
CNN: Trump will continue to convene top-level intelligence briefings over the coming days and will return early from his weekend trip to his property in New Jersey
CNN: US diplomats have been given no guidance on what to tell US allies on the diplomatic efforts
CNN: US allies are frustrated and relying on Trump's public statements to determine their military posture
CNN: Secretary of State Rubio has been close by Trump as he is weighing his options
CNN: Multiple sources say Iran has responded to messages from third parties, but has given the same response every time, even as Witkoff tries to actively engage them
I'm actually shocked that Iran isn't playing the Palestine card, i.e, offer for Khamenei to step down, if Netanyahu resigns, bans Gvir and the other literal Kahanists (I am not kidding, look it up, they're part of that ultra faction) from government, and withdraws from Gaza.
Make that an open offer and precondition for any negotiations on the Iran nuclear issue. If Israel doesn't withdraw from Gaza, Iran will keep fighting, and its nuclear program is non-negotiable.
It'll instantly force the mainstream (i.e, not nutjob) left to rally around Iran, cause centrists to acknowledge the insanity Israeli politics is causing, and so on.
It is the obvious move.
>>2340238>>2340213>arrowCan anyone confirm the OP vid actually shows arrows rather than like david's sling or some shit?
Arrows are supposed to be the long range or high altitude ones and that missile looked (from purely vibes) like it was maybe already a bit close
>>2341183Of course they ruin it by trying to draw parallels to the Ukraine war. I'm sorry, but Ukraine isn't asking for other countries to send their armies into into Russia and detonate massive bombs on their facilities, they just ask for aid (that usually ends up being a fraction of what Israel gets).
I know many people here don't like Ukraine, but comparing these two things really undersells the absurdity of what Israel/Trump wants to do. The US may be going to war and sacrificing thousands of lives, just because another country asked us to.
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