>>2339335did you get banned for calling the stock exchange in tel aviv
the biggest synagogue in israel lol?
>>2339340thanks fren
but noone way the Israel and USA wouldn't go completely apeshit and EMP or even nuke Iran
>>2339344I mean, I assume here's how it goes:
Iran needs 2-3 days with Fordow ability to convert 60% HEU to 90% WGU. This will probably reduce 408 kg of HEU to 272 kg of WGU, not sure exactly how much, I'm not a specialist (and a specialist shouldn't be posting).
Iran, in a worst case scenario, would want to start by doing a nuclear test (that's one nuke gone), maybe a subcritical one, as a warning shot.
Next, if the Israelis and Americans continue to ignore it, Iran can potentially HEMP Israel, knocking out the entirety of unshielded Israel for months. That would probably require a major provocation, like killing Khamenei, after Iran tests.
If the US and Israel continue to choose to escalate, nukes on Israeli civilian or military targets.
So, you'd be looking at 4-5 gun-types, one used for testing, one used for HEMP, 2-3 left for Tel Aviv. The Iranians will likely get bored after they get their minimum, and they're not made out of HEU, so maybe they'll switch to implosion bombs (which are much more technically challenging, but more efficient in WGU).
Anyways, Fordow is still up, the Iranians are probably stockpiling gun-type nukes at this point, if they didn't actually have gun-types beforehand.
>>2339356That's not me making that comment.
I called that guy a cracker in response
>>2339379who I'm sure would rather be Palestinians
Now I'm confused who's the fed, me or tankanon?
>>2339380https://archive.is/FS47WHey, there are still Israelis with enough conscience to row row fight da powa but not enough to become terrorists.
Stopping Gaza involves allying with them, supporting them, and BDSing everyone else.
>>2339377Who gives a shit what Israelis think?
Also, no one's going to push them into the sea. The default position of Palestinian resistance fighters is a singular democratic state. Most of the 'Israelis' will move back to Europe when you take the ethnostate away from them.
Why did they delete the entire thread instead of banning OP?
>>2339368>I support anti-Kahanism, but not anti-Zionism.What did he mean by this?
>>2339377Like 85% of Israelis want to ethically cleanse Gaza.
You vast over estimate this so called left. They are more extreme than apartheid South Africa
>>2339387Actually, a lot of them wouldn't, because they've made roots in Israel, and they have a lot of good educational credentials and capability.
>>2339390Kahanism is a specific Israeli far-right ideology that's partially banned in Israel, but Kahanists are the key policymakers in the present Likud government.
Modern Israel is a Kahanist state. By attacking Kahanism, you can make allies with the remnants of the Israeli left, including the ones that want to lynch Netanyahu after this.
It's basically saying: "yes, you can have a Jewish state, but no, you can't have a Jewish settler-colonialist state."
>>2339397yeah the zionist nazi doesn't get banned but some dude makes a lighthearted joke about jew stereotypes and he gets banned
I'm thinking this website is JIDF comprimised bros
>>2339405If it were my website I would do things differently but it's not so I just go with what the rules say and I'm never banned for saying death to israel or the zionist lobby or anything like that.
if you read the rules, it says reactionaries are allowed to post here as long as they don't violate the rules. but the rules also say
>11) Posts should, overall, be conductive to an informed and productive discussion. /leftypol/ is not an academic journal, but it also should not be a cesspit of back and forth bickering and pointless insults. Users should attempt to argue for the point they are presenting in an honest and open way and should be receptive to information or arguments that do, in fact, challenge their views.the anti-kahanist is being polite while others are being /pol/-lite and violating rules 11 and 14 non stop. it would be so much easier to tell people why they're wrong without devolving into /pol/ shit but instead people break the rules that have been in place for years then cry that leftypol is run by zionists. I'm not saying mod team is always perfect (they're definitely not) but it's so easy to just not violate 11 and 14. nearly everyone who's regular here and constantly gets banned gets banned for those two and develop a massive persecution complex. Literally read your own post and check if it does that before hitting submit and you'll never incur the wrath of the mods. It's so fucking simple tbqh.
>>2339424>Death to israel and the zionist entityyou won't get banned for this and I say this all the time.
>hehehe the biggest synagogue in tel aviv just got bombed (a stock exchange)you will get banned for this so I don't say this.
how hard is it to simply not say /pol/ shit? show some restraint. if you sound indistinguishable from a /pol/ raider posting happy merchants you will get banned. This isn't a defense of zionism or even judaism. death to religion in general btw.
>>2339432What does that have to do with my statement? You just went off on a random tangent.
You posted:
>>2339419>11) Posts should, overall, be conductive to an informed and productive discussion. /leftypol/ is not an academic journal, but it also should not be a cesspit of back and forth bickering and pointless insults. Users should attempt to argue for the point they are presenting in an honest and open way and should be receptive to information or arguments that do, in fact, challenge their views.
< but it's so easy to just not violate 11 and 14.>>2339424>You know that 90% of the posts on this board violate rule 11 and no bans are incurred. We can clearly see ITT that 90% of the posts clearly violate rule 11. And this is all besides the point because the mods never cite rules in a ban. They simply write:
>Spam >>2339429>lost liberalDeath to Israel. Death to the zionist entity. Will mods ban me for this? No. I'm not a lost liberal. I know how to post here and not get banned.
>>2339434>when did the internet get so fucking pussifiedI'm not the one banning you, I'm telling you how not to get banned. I even prefaced all of it with "if this were my website I would do things differently." but somehow you ignored that part and took it as a defense of current moderation practice here.
>it's a jokeyeah this is what /pol/tards always say too. like seriously just think it through and you won't get banned. I post here every day and don't get banned but you call me a lost liberal for trying to show you how not to get banned. just don't post something that could be easily be mistaken for /pol/ shit. Like it's really not hard. Show some restraint. Don't get offended at someone trying to tell you how not to get banned and then act like I'm the one who's offended. I'm not a mod btw nor do I talk to them.
>>2339340you just know that if Iran HEMP'd Israel it'd get reported as "Iran Nuked Israel" in the west, just like the west is always
>implyingthat every nuclear power plant is a weapons plant
>>2339411So, back to my debate with Claude. Is Giant Baby Bibi a Kahanist Maniac or a is it just Bibi the Magician playing diabolical tricks again?
Crashing the Israeli economy would support the Bibi the Retard line.
>>2339442either this is a really elaborate troll or you really are a complete autist
>>2339455yeah you're a pussy. it's pretty obvious when a /pol/tard wander in because they are legitimate retards, so it's not a reason to flip out for a fucking joke lmfao
>>2339466So, you're telling us, go nuke Gaza to oblivion as well? Daily reminder that Gaza and the middle east is well within the fallout cloud.
Once again, are we pro-Palestinians or just disguising anti-semitism?
I think being anti-Kahanist as opposed to anti-Zionist is a stable, justifiable position.
>>2339462the bit is you and all zionist getting killed
>>233946548 palestinians are palestinians
>>2339478yeah they're zionists, you said there are no arab israelis. mizrahim are literally local arabs or north africans who either converted or were descended from non-settler jews and got israeli citizenship and became zionist collaborators.
you said
>there are no arab israeliswhen that's literally what mizrahi jews are to some extent.
this isn't some kind of defense of zionism, it's a basic fact about the region. (I'm not the anti-kahanist anon btw, death to israel)
>>2339484Is it reasonable to say that nuking Palestinians is bad? That is to say, we've been at this for 2 years because Palestinians are being genocided by the IDF and Kahanist Israel.
In essence, you're advocating for nuking Gaza? How are you different from a mainstream Israeli at this point?
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2339488I am out of empathy for Israelis. I have interacted with them, watched what they say, seen polls, their demands and what they continue to do
I am not the person you are replying to but at this point I genuinely don't care what happens to them.
>>2339481Finklestein and Chomsky are against BDS
They don't support bds
>>2339500Main point is that there's a considerable body of mainstream analysis pointing out that the present Israeli state is Kahanist, that it's very easy to stick to the anti-Kahanist position in the mainstream.
It's basically a good shield against Mossad / IDF / AIPAC subversion.
>>2339506> If Jews don't like it, they can leave Israel and go live somewhere elsea million imperialist nazis in europe cry out in pain as zionism comes to an end because it will mean the return of jews to europe lol
>>2339470>comparing a palestinian flag to a confederate flagwhat a fucking worm
>>2339440This might be a hot take.
But I unironically believe that anti-Zionism is inherently anti-Semitic as it leads to marginalizing Jews and incentivizes minimizing their suffering.
Still, it's not even a fraction as racist as Zionism, which at best
(being in favor of a 2 state solution with right of return) means minimizing the suffering of the Palestinians. Zionists do this by arguing that the state of Israel, which displaced the Palestinians as a people; Occupied them; vilified and mauled them throughout its whole lifetime and is currently genocide them. That it has a right to exist.
>>2339519Zionism is anti semitic actually because it says Jews belong in a doomed ethnostate with a suicidal ideology and serving as footsoldiers of European settler-colonialism.
Anti-Zionism says Jews belong in the diaspora where they are scattered among the nations and basically impossible to genocide.
Anyway Judaism will wither away under socialism along with all other religions and Jews will finally be free of their own religion which demands that they have ethnic supremacist beliefs that inevitably put them at odds with others.
>>2339518I support dropping 22000 missilies on Israel. Afterall, Bibi has said that 11000 missiles in equivalent to a nuke
>>2339523I don't care. Arabs don't execute kids
>>2339526>Zionism is anti semiticTRVTHNVKE
Herzl and Hitler essentially believed the same thing about the jews: that they are inherently incompatible with the rest of humanity and will never live in peace with non-jews
>>2339535>“In the Islamic Republic of Iran, according to reports, two 17-year-old boys were executed in a prison- where they were allegedly held- in Shiraz, south of the country. The children’s families and lawyers were reportedly not informed of the sentencing in advance.
>“Meanwhile, in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, reports were received of three children who were sentenced to death and allegedly executed on 23 April. I don't approve of executions, but this is not a correct assessment of what has happened. They don't even say what these "young adults" were charged with!
And besides, Israel executes children WITHOUT TRIAL, they just capture Palestinian kids they don't like and MURDER THEM. How fucking dare you compare lawful - even if law is evil or unjust to your eyes, not necessarily theirs - to blatant fucking warcrimes? And you have found 5 executed children - to 100 thousand deaths of Palestinians, majority of which are children
>>2339500>Over 85% of Israel supports ethincially cleansing PalestineAt least accurately quote the poll.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-05-28/ty-article-magazine/.premium/yes-to-transfer-82-of-jewish-israelis-back-expelling-gazans/00000197-12a4-df22-a9d7-9ef6af930000It's a 83% that support "transfer" in Gaza which is ethnic cleansing and horrible obviously. The numbers on "transfer" for Israeli Arabs are still bad but they're significantly lower (except among Haredi) especially among secular Jews and same thing for the questions which imply physical extermination like killing all the inhabitants of the conquered city or the questions about Amalek.
There is also some pretty fucking horrible polling of Palestinians btw. I'm a Mossad zio shill both sidesing a genocide, I know, but an absolute majority of Palestinians in the PA/West Bank were hardline Islamic fundamentalists according to the last reliable polling which was over a decade ago. Today I'm sure it would be worse.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/I'm not saying that there is a moral equivalence between people subjected to a brutal ethnic apartheid turning to reactionary religion for some comfort but there is an equivalence in the sense that it's reactionary ideology that could very conceivably fuck up any kind of truth and reconciliation process in a one state solution.
>>2339524I'm not in favor of the 1967 borders. I'm in favor of a secular, socialist one state solution with no ethnic. What I'm also not in favor of though is this apocalypticism where people are gooning to the thought of nukes wiping out the whole country or roving death squads killing every last Israeli. That's ressentimental and it's not relevant to what conceivably can happen. And if you'd rather every Palestinian go down in a blaze of nuclear fire than a single Jewish Israeli man, woman or child escape execution or expulsion then I do think it's fair to question whether you're an anti-Zionist or an antisemite.
>>2339554Let's just put it this way. Kahanism is Jewish mainstream ideology as much as Naziism was mainstream in Germany. But classical Zionism was willing to do a two-state deal with Palestinians until a Kahanist assassinated Yitzhak Rabin.
It's about pragmatism vs vitriol and Mossad radicalization.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR EVADING THEIR BAN) >>2339568>philosyou can't call me a zionist btw when I say zionism is antisemitic so you're reduced to calling me a jew lover which is… wow
(death to all religion btw)
>>2339565Palestinians are genetically similar to Jews. Palestinians are descendants of Jews who didn't leave. Whole of North Africa is technically Arabic - except they are not, they only speak the tongue
And besides, Jews don't have any ETHNIC or RELIGIOUS right to Palestine.
>>2339569>Sadly anyone is capable of murdering children.Israel murders them daily with bombs and guns, and does that WITH INTENTION TO KILL CHILDREN
>>2339506 out of Jewish supremacist ideology. Every. Fucking. Single. Day. And you dare to even compare it?
"Sadly" my fucking ass
>>2339560You said ethnically cleanse Palestine. Gaza isn't all of Palestine and as you can see, the numbers that want "transfer" for Israeli Arabs are significantly lower. The numbers that could conceivably be seen as supporting outright physical extermination of all Arabs in Palestine are lower than that.
I'm not arguing that Israelis are "good" or that Palestinians are as "bad".
>>2339566I'm not the anti-Kahanism anon and I was this anon here calling him full of shit
>>2339495What I support is a secular, socialist one state solution with no ethnic preference. And a drawn out process of truth and reconciliation and reparations. I'm also realistic enough to realize that doesn't look very likely right now though.
>>2339573>nazism is anti-german!!you just sound like a retard trying to get brownie points and not offend zios
cool slogan bro, but the vast majority of jews are behind this genocide regardless if (You) consider them to be anti-semitic against themselves
>>2339553I think the point is, as foreign supporters of the Palestinian cause, we can step back from Israel-Palestine tensions and think about what's best for Palestinians.
Correctly identifying the Kahanist turn (and Meir Kahane's Kach party is banned in Israel, although obviously Israel is Kahanist) gives us power via analysis. It also allows us to subvert Zionism, i.e, a campus screening of Assi Dayan movies that ends with a real Palestinian girl making an impassioned plea to stop Israeli genocide in Gaza. Bait-and-switch tactics, to provide the soft influencing power, while we BDS and Iran slaps missiles on the Kahanist state.
>>2339558The vast majority of the time it's employed in a sheer cope "actually I'm not the antisemite, you are the antisemite" like a coping 2016 Republican talking about how libs are the real racists. That's the entire reason the talking point exists, it's contrived as a result of Zionist framing.
>>2339559>NOOOO MOST JEWS AREN'T ZIONISTS THEY'RE WHOLESOME CHUNGUS!!!! ALL PROOF OTHERWISE IS ZIONIST PROPAGANDA!Cope
>>2339577I'm not trying to offend zios by calling zionism antisemitic?
>nazism is anti germanHitler killed himself after getting Germans rekt by the red army btw
>>2339586End of the day, Kahanism is the Israeli reality now, we give up very little by focusing on Kahanism instead of Zionism.
I personally support a secular socialist state with equal rights for Palestinians, as well as reparations totaling 50 billion USD a year for 50 years.
We simply have a disagreement in tactics.
>>2339596Zionism is anti-Semitic. It's an anti-Semitic plot to stuff all the Jews in Israel so they can be efficiently nuked off. Consider Israeli alliances with the Alt-Right, anti-Semitism is good for Israel because it drives Jews to Israel.
That said, calling it Kahanism gets around AIPAC, because even Israel acknowledges Kahanism is a racist, fascist ideology. They just deny being Kahanist.
>>2339599Which is Kahanist and has been funded by Israel. What else is new?
I'm just saying, say Kahanist instead of Zionist. What's the difference, besides the fact that the average Jew is brainwashed to support Zionism other than Kahanism?
>>2339593Seething because of this I assume
>if you'd rather every Palestinian go down in a blaze of nuclear fire than a single Jewish Israeli man, woman or child escape execution or expulsion then I do think it's fair to question whether you're an anti-Zionist or an antisemite>>2339594Zionism is also the Israeli reality right now and we agreed that Zionism is inherently ethnosupremacist so what's the point of using a different word? Kahanists are more irrational and less willing to negotiate but the negotiations in the 90s were not serious to begin with and this isn't going to be solved through negotiation. If we're being realistic it might not be solved period, certainly I don't have a lot of hope that if we do see a one state solution it's going to be socialist.
>>2339579nope. it's not like republicans saying anti-racists are the real racists. It's saying that zionists are suicidally reactionary, whether or not a majority of jews are zionists. being suicidally reactionary means your people will be destroyed by other people who are defending themselves from your suicidal reaction. that means you are bringing it on yourself. that is why zionism is anti semitic and nazism is anti german. the burger republican comparison is downright stupid because the underlying logic is completely different.
someone else said i was trying to brown nose zios by calling them anti semitic. that's delusioanl. then he said I was a jew lover (a "philo" to be exact) even though just like him I want all religion gone from this eath. it's sad how pathologically addicted some people on here are to deliberately misinterpreting what others are saying
>>2339616I was actually the guy that got Sandanistaflag banned for antisemitism repeatedly.
Either way, you want to keep arguing over whether Israel is Kahanist or whether it's a useful formulation?
We can go back to Iran knocking out IDF bases.
>>2339622The problem isn't Zionism it's Kahanism and Netanyahu. Israel can still be reformed.
t. leftypol pro
>>2339626kek
>>2339627Maybe they can team up with the rape rioters to push them over 5%, and just let them rape Kahanists instead?
>>2339635>and that's before the states even gets involvedrecycled straight out of ukraine copes
the US is already involved, just because it's not participating as much as it could be doesn't mean that they are not actively fighting iran right now
>>2339635At the very worst Iran has the means to assure destruction of Israel. In the MAD sense.
In reality, much more likely, Iran is holding back the same way Russia does - they have to keep a lot of their military on standby elsewhere to ward off NATO/USA from intervening
>>2339633I haven't seen any cluster warheads being used yet. Which is what I expect would be used to destroy aircraft on the ground.
Israeli F-35s are probably parked inside fortified hangars too. And there are probably a lot more hangars than they have combat aircraft. So in order to ensure they get at least some of them, they're going to have to hit many hangars with multiple missiles each which are relatively small compared to their CEP. And make sure several hundred get through Israeli AD, and that they have reliable intel. Because if they are hiding some of their F-35s, F-15s and F-16s at US bases in third countries, it's an entirely wasted effort.
It's much better to simply target infrastructure, or wait until Israeli AD has degraded to the point they can target air bases with swarms of drones.
>>2339655According to WSJ Israeli air defense is already degraded. More Shaheeds please!
But taking out F-35s would be the best outcome; Israel has around 40 of them, specially upgraded. The best way to knock them out would be on the ground.
https://www.khaama.com/chinas-secret-flights-to-iran-amid-iran-israel-conflict/China: any time an American / Western ally fights, I want potshots at them!
If the cargo is still moving, likely EW, SAMs, possibly even guntype cases.
>>2339676Some are combative by default.
>It's an imageboard, you're supposed to be crass, rude and obnoxious>Anything else is CRINGE and redditEtc etc
Why Israel wants US bunker busters to hit Iran’s Fordow nuclear site
The United States’s B-2 stealth bomber is currently the only aircraft designed to deploy the GBU-57 bunker buster bombs.
Officials and experts have suggested that the US’s 30,000-pound (13,000kg) bunker buster bomb is the only weapon capable of destroying the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant, a facility believed to be central to Tehran’s nuclear programme and carved deep into a mountain.
The United States is the only country to possess these bombs, which it delivers using B-2 bombers. If deployed against Iran, it would represent a major shift from primarily intercepting missiles on Israel’s behalf to conducting active offensive strikes against Iran.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/19/why-israel-wants-us-bunker-busters-to-hit-irans-fordow-nuclear-siteSCREENCAP THIS OFFICIAL KING LEAR PREDICTION
By the end of this week Trump will launch a massive U$ Air Campaign on Iran in which U$ B-2 Stealth Bombers dropping Smart Bombs (including GBU-57 Bunker Busters) combined with JASSMs launched by B-52 and B-1 Bombers and Tomahawk Cruise Missiles launched by Destroyers, Cruisers, and Submarines, will destroy all remaining Iranian Air Bases, MRBM/SRBM launchers, SAM Sites, Naval Bases, Nuclear Facilities (B-2 Stealth Bombers will use GBU-57 Bunker Busters to destroy the Fordow Nuclear facility), and Command and Control sites (including decapitation strikes on Irans entire Political/Military leadership, including the Supreme Leader, using GBU-57 Bunker Busters dropped by B-2 Stealth Bombers), followed by Kurdish, Arab, Balochi, and Azeri ethnic separatist uprisings, the last of which will include a joint Turkish/Azerbaijani invasion of Iranian Azerbaijan, which combined with a Pro-U$/Zionist Iranian Military Coup and subsequent Civil War will overthrow the “Islamic Republic of Iran”, with Iran Balkanized on Ethnic lines, with Iranian Azerbaijan annexed by Azerbaijan, a Independent Iranian Kurdistan (which will unite with the autonomous Iraqi Kurdistan region to create a independent “Republic of Kurdistan” ruled by the Pro-U$/Zionist/Turkish Barzani family), a Independent Arabistan (the Arab-majority Khuzestan province), a Independent Iranian Balochistan, and the remaining Persian-majority Iranian provinces will become a Pro-U$/Zionist/Turkish/Saudi puppet state ruled by the last Shahs son called the “Shahdom of Persia” in a restored Pahlavi dynasty (U$ air support will cause the Pro-U$/Zionist faction to win the Civil War for control of Persia, and they will restore the last Shahs son to the empty ceremonial “throne” in order to please their U$/Zionist masters), and as a result of these events, the Zionist State will officially Annex both the West Bank and Gaza, and order the Ethnic Cleansing/Mass Deportation of the entire Palestinian Arab population, with the Arab World agreeing to accept them in exchange for permanent normalization with the Zionist State under the belief that after the successful Genocide of Palestine, the Zionist State will not expand any further, with this combined with the Zionist destruction of the Al-Asqa Mosque in order to rebuild the “Temple of Solomon” (Saudi Arabia secretly supports this as it means the only major Islamic holy sites will be in Mecca and Medina), 😂🤣🤢🤮!
>>2339716>StealthA meme
>Smart Bombs A meme
>Tomahawk Cruise MissilesReplenishment rate so low they're going extinct. Sizable portion of remaining stock wasted on Houthis.
>separatistsWill be annihilated
>>2339747probably one of the most egregious osint "expert" claims i've ever read
you can measure how accurate something is at striking a coordinate without access to the coordinates used? this falls apart logically, osintfags have no shame
>>2339761>By geolocating the impact sites from video and comparing them to the claimed strike locations.that doesn't make sense
i will grant these two as known for the sake of argument:
>exact missile impact coordinates (xy, etc)>claimed target (hospital, military base, etc)the claim is that you can measure the delta between impact and target with these two but this is impossible because you cannot know how far away from [unknown target coordinate] the impact was
you can ASSUME a target coordinate based on the known target i granted and then you can measure based on that, but this is conjecture
>>2339775They'll run out before Iran runs out. One has been stockpiling pretty much any missile they can get their hands on for decades and produces large numbers of their own, the other runs off artisanally produced missiles made by hand.
Like they had to call off bombing the Houthis because they would have run out of Tomahawks at the rate they're going. They're pulling things from all over the world including Ukraine to keep their heads above water.
Russia also bombed a bunch of the AD in Ukraine as soon as the US said they were shipping it to Israel kek
>>2339775>The idea that the U.S. was going to let them run out of missiles against Iran is absurd.It's a question of whether the US can actually keep them supplied given the high rate of expenditure and slow rate of production of these interceptors. It often takes several to bring down one Iranian missile and they already cost like 10x as much.
>>2339786Enough with this shit. Securing a ceasefire is literally the whole point of retaliation and self defense. If Iran emerges from this with its nuclear program intact then it has won since it prevented Israel from achieving its strategic goals.
Interestingly but unsurprisingly, most supply aircraft from Western states don't stop at Israeli airports which would make them sitting ducks during unloading or idling, but instead stop at Amman or some other Jordanian airport and then presumably transport the supplies via land.
Iran can't target these because Jordan is ostensibly neutral.
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae145c,ae1241,ae1470,48d981,3f447aThese aren't the only ones, only most recent. I've noted this pattern earlier with a shitload of different aircraft.
>>2339766two more systems that can't go to ukraine, or taiwan.
keep draining them persiabros
>>2339787That isn’t a win. They just bought more time. The issue will come back eventually and they will have to deal with it again. An actual solid win is that the issue is handled permanently without total annihilation or their subjugation.
>>2339797This isn’t /pol/
>>2339805>>2339811And to continue operations against Iran in secret.
>>2339808I was here two years ago. That must’ve been a very minor incident then.
>>2339827>The US continued waging economic and proxy wars against Vietnam well into the 1980sI aware. This was already stated.
>Using your logic this means they weren't defeatedUsing my logic, this wouldn’t be considered the same scenario. These are fledgling attacks more akin to tantrums than actual power grabs.
>>2339829>Also Israel is definitely not going to invadeThat quite literally is their plan dumbass. Ever heard of greater Israel.
>you could even entertain such a ridiculous idea.Are you fucking smoking something right now? Goodness gracious.
>>2339825Americopers just say
>muh K/D>we could have won if we wanted to>containment was a success>we only left because of lack of political willThey'll say the same every time they lose unless it's an utterly humiliating defeat
>>2339786HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>2339842>>2339840>>2339843Good fucking lord dude. Why are you even trying to argue this with me? They’ve already demonstrated examples of invasive and expansionist behavior (as demonstrated by their greater Israel plan). They’ve already invaded and pushed their influence in multiple countries as is. Also, how are they going to get there? Fly? Drive? Are you stupid?
And also:
>I doubt USA and NATO would like that.Are you fucking with me right now?
>>2339844True
>>2339847True
>>2339847
It is a matter of it literally being impossible, Israel DOESN'T have enough troops to occupy, let alone take, the territory claimed under eretz israel. If Israel needed to send troops into Iran, that means the military didn't collapse, inspite of Israel killing all it's commanders, that the government wasn't overthrown/abandoned, that is, US/IS plan failed. The goal is to bomb everything/one needed in order to collapse, maybe bribe, and infiltrate some people/info to help the "allies"
>>2339787>Securing a ceasefire is literally the whole point of retaliation and self defense. If Iran emerges from this with its nuclear program intact then it has won since it prevented Israel from achieving its strategic goals.You seem to be misunderstanding the situation. Iran never intended to get a nuke. IF they wanted a nuke, they could have had it decades ago! This whole nuclear enrichment crap was their way to put on pressure on the US because they wanted to "force" them back on the negotiation table.
Israel has shown them that this whole pressuring tactic is just an illusion that there is no feasible way for Iran to have any negotiation basis, if Israel decides they want to strike Iran.
If Iran manages to secure a ceasefire, they will obviously declare victory. But what did they really achieve? Wooow a handful of missiles managed to hit Israel. Meanwhile Israel flew over most of Iran, bombed multiple cities to dust, caused a massive panic and millions of internal displacement, blew up oil depots, civilian industry, news agencies, killed dozens of leading figures UNPUNISHED.
Iran was showing they were cooperative for negotiations even before the war had reached Tehran. But once Israel attacked, they could not feasibly back off and call it a day, at least not if they wanted to save face in front of their supporters. Israel knew this and so they keep striking Iran, provoking them to strike back. Iran has nothing to win with this, unless Israel runs out of interceptive missiles (which they seem to do) but even if that happens, the USA will just join and support their greatest ally. The US seems to be readying for war, Trump refuses to have negotiations, and the media narrative changed from the very cautious "hmm maybe the things happening in Gaza ARE bad.." to a "WAR WITH IRAN, THERE ARE NO INNOCENT IRANIAN CIVILISTS!!"
Iran has nothing to win neither by negotiation nor by war… theyre fucked. The only thing they can hope for is to prolong their downfall
>>2339860>It is a matter of it literally being impossibleIt’s not impossible for them. It’s just that they can’t do it without razing the country down and using an excessive amount of munitions.
>>2339865True
>>2339871>Iran never intended to get a nuke.I never claimed they did, that doesn't change the fact that Israel's goal is to destroy their nuclear program and Iran's goal is to prevent that from happening and reestablish deterrence. Even having a civilian nuclear program means the ability to build nukes in short order.
>But what did they really achieve?Establishment of deterrence and prevention of Israel from achieving its goals. Iran didn't declare this war, they are waging a defensive campaign to get Israel to cease their attacks. A ceasefire is literally the goal of their operations.
>Meanwhile Israel flew over most of Iran, bombed multiple cities to dust, caused a massive panic and millions of internal displacement, blew up oil depots, civilian industry, news agencies, killed dozens of leading figures UNPUNISHED.But they didn't go unpunished. Iran has inflicted the same type of damage on Israel apart from killing high ranking people. They've destroyed oil refineries, penetrated Israel's missile defenses, damages civilian industrial targets, hit military and air bases, caused widespread damage to Israeli cities, and caused large scale panic and an exodus from the country.
>Iran has nothing to win with thisDenying Israel a victory is an Iranian win. It would be the same as repelling an invasion. Do you not understand the concept of a defensive war? If Ukraine managed to drive Russian forces out of their country and reestablish their 1991 borders would you still claim this was a Ukrainian defeat? You're trying to claim that Iranian victory conditions are unrealistic by massively distorting what those conditions are, going far beyond what the Iranians themselves claim they are. The goal of a defensive campaign is to get the attacker to abandon their offensive operations, if Iran achieves this then they win.
>The US seems to be readying for warReadying for war and waging war are very different things. I'm not at all convinced that the Americans will join, and even if they did it almost certainly wouldn't result in the collapse of the Iranian government since there would be no boots on the ground.
>Iran has nothing to win neither by negotiation nor by war… theyre fucked.The continued existence of their government and nuclear program, and deterrence of Israel is a victory. You're just setting impossible and unrealistic standards so you can justify your defeatism.
>>2339898>Syria didn'tThey had local proxies and the country was in the middle of a civil war. Iran is not, and while there are potential candidates they have yet to actually rise up. Syria also played out the way it did because large parts of the military defected early on, whereas the most likely candidates for local proxies in Iran are ethnic separatists.
>What is needed is separatism, bribes, assassination of elite, so power can be usurped etc…All of which are undermined by bombing the country. That tends to cause people to rally around the existing government.
>>2339890They’re already in the process of invading, they just don’t have physical boots on the ground yet.
Also:
>not without suffering staggering casualtiesThey already use their own population as human shields for the military facilities.
>>2339880Israelis are pathetic creatures
>Nooo you can't upload video of us getting shredded!!! Noooo our reputation!!! The only bombs that should be filmed are the ones we drop on children's hospitals!! We gonna make it illegal to film us getting our comeuppance now!!Filthy dogs
>>2339917The last update was almost exactly 60 hours ago
We'll assume it's going at just under top speed because it's going in a straight line, so 35mph
That's 2100 miles
It's already in range, they just haven't broadcasted yet
>>2339905Broke: Nukes aren't real
Woke: Nukes are used every day
>>2339931>>2339905big bomb =/= nuke
mushroom cloud =/= nuke
>>2339938>So has IranTechnically, in a defensive manner.
>What is your point? There is no invasion yet.Israel is seeking to take control of Iran’s airspace through aerial units. That’s is by all accounts an invasion, even if it’s just their airspace.
>>2339953We get it; you like shilling for Israel. Invading someone's airspace is not an invasion, just an act of hostility.
Please refrain from talking any further; you are making yourself look like a fool, not that you haven't already.
>>2339954Normal bombs don't typically create that effect, or at least I've never seen it. But a MOAB is a fuel air bomb with a bunch of aluminium powder/grain in it, so it could be aluminium dispersed in the general atmosphere lighting up.
This could explain why people think it's radiation interfering with camera equipment.
>>2339964Big bombs exist, just because there is a huge explosion, doesn't mean its a nuke (MOAB)
https://youtu.be/iHE8nnXSOCE?si=8vNJ2Rm6G-ntzNhq although the russian one seems to have disappeared.
>>2339956>We get it; you like shilling for IsraelIs that your fucking cope because you got the definition of invasion wrong?
>Invading someone's airspace is not an invasionIt quite literally is.
>Please refrain from talking any furtherHow bout you shut up instead. You’re the one who brought up this dumb conversation, and then didn’t even get it right in the end as well. Begone fool.
Taken from 4chan's /isr/ thread:
The Home Front Command confirms the report on Galatz: One of the missiles that exploded this morning in the Tel Aviv metropolitan area was a cluster munition, a “scatter munition.”
This is a missile that disperses several small bombs while at an altitude of about 7 km in the air. At this altitude, the missile's warhead opens and splits, and about 20 small bombs fly out of it within a radius of about 8 km.
The Home Front Command says that each small bomb that disperses weighs about 2.5 kg. These are bombs with a “hard-hitting mechanism” - meaning that when they hit the ground, they explode.
The Home Front Command emphasizes that this is a missile that was known and familiar until now. The damage caused by each small bomb is similar to that of a short-range Hezbollah rocket: "The threat is broader in geographical terms, but it is much smaller than the warheads of ballistic missiles, which weigh an average of 400 kg.
Following the incident, the Home Front Command launched a public awareness campaign today about the new threat of cluster bombs:
1. The defense is no different—as with any other threat, it is necessary to enter a protected space without change.
2. The scattering of small bombs means that there are quite a few duds - so the emphasis to the public is that wherever such a dud is identified - be careful, stay away and do not touch it - and of course report it to the authorities.
Great, now they're throwing fucking cluster bombs at us.
>>2339974>we're still getting rocketed but look, more stock money! we won!there's a joke there but it's too obvious
webp-poster with the constant flood of hasbara again
>>2339972You can play the mental gymnastics in your head about what an invasion is. You're cute; I'll entertain you for a bit.
Literally what it means:
While not automatically an act of war, violating another country's airspace can be a serious provocation and could escalate to war, depending on the context and the response of the targeted nation. It is generally considered a breach of international law and a violation of national sovereignty.
LOL SURE. I didnt bring up jackass.
>How bout you shut up instead. You’re the one who brought up this dumb conversation, and then didn’t even get it right in the end as well. Begone fool.You have nothing. Please leave quietly.
>>2339976>0:05that's actually what the lower floors of the world trade center looked like when they remote detonated the termite charges
luckily for mr larry they didn't have phone cameras, unlucky for whoever filmed that bibi and the glowzios are coming for their asshole
>>2339983>violating another country's airspaceIs this seriously what you had to bring to the table? Violation? This has gone beyond a mere violation. Sit down, you’re done.
>I didnt bring up jackassYou absolutely did.
>You have nothingThis is a cope.
>>2339982you're literally spreading malware when you post webp files
they're not just annoying because you have to convert them, webp google format cancer has been used in zero day exploits before
>>2340035yeah, vids like
>>2339976 make me think the damage sustained is much greater than they would have people believe, and all of the secondary effects and fear in the population are going to lead to issues
Arak reactor hit directly
>>2339980The webp files will continue until you buy a desktop or smartphone.
>>2340061even ignoring idf, if you think only 25 non-idf died you're braindead, simple as
it's the type of propaganda they put out for people watching tv and not researching anythin, if you think for 2 seconds about all the missile videos shown just in this general that number already falls apart
>>2340066at this scale it doesn't matter what they target, 25 is simply not realistic
you are a brainlet, this is basic arithmetics
>>2340072Iranian waves are tiny; last one was 12 missiles. IRBMs are shootable by Israeli BMDs unless they're saturated, and Israel gets early warning via US radars.
Also, at some point, Iran does want a ceasefire because it has other things to do than to bomb Israelis. Killing too many civvies makes it harder to peace out.
>>2340087Yeah, there was an opinion that a lot of early days Iranian losses were decoys because intact missiles didn't detonate
Furthermore, Israel was OPENLY CLAIMING that Israel is targeting people who try to RECLAIM MISSILES from destroyed sites - meaning that either missiles don't detonate or Israel is hitting at random
>>2340089It's mostly hearsay. But I remember vaguely reading a while back Iran has many decoy bases and other fun stuff.
Could be all wrong, but it could be possibility.
>>2340098I saw a video last night where a rocket hit a power grid, and it went dark immediately afterward. It could be that they are downplaying the situation.
severity.
>>2340103The US doesn’t have that long.
>>2340104I’m more concerned about additional elements to the situation (and I’ll leave it at that). But Iran does have enough missiles to fend off the Zionists.
>>2340077>Iranian waves are tiny; last one was 12 missilesAnd yet we're still seeing new videos come out, and the Israeli government is further tightening censorship. This indicates that even these smaller slavos are scoring hits.
>>2340085US entry into the war would still be disastrous for Iran because it would mean a major intensification of bombing plus the introduction of much stronger bunker-busters and stretching their ballistic missile arsenal even thinner.
>>2340097>pretending like Iran will win whe Israe has never been in a stronger position in its historyBoth those statements are true. Israel's position has never been stronger, but they still lack the capabilities to accomplish their stated goals.
>>2340000>webp google format cancer has been used in zero day exploits beforeThat's potentially true for
any filetype.
It's not the file it's the software that reads it.
tard.
>>2340062The mods are pretty open that they're just fanboys for thedeprogram (youtube is where they study theory), so inshallah race war now is to be expected. That's why any criticism towards the "axis of resistance" is met with a "zionism" ban, as if both can't be criticized.
>>2340063>proof: my feelingsThey had prior warning from Iran for the attacks in written form and by that stupid flag shit, there's bomb shelters everywhere. There are standing evacuation orders.
Living in fantasy is praxis. Let's keep making shit up until it's real.
>>2340030>realistically speakingThere is no proof whatsoever that Israel is bleeding hard and if they were, they would be suing for a ceasefire, which is what Iran is desperate for. On Al Jazeera a few days ago, they were reporting that Iran was hopeful Trump was going to end it, which that went to shit. Right now, Israel just wants Trump to give them the okay for the bunker busters to finish off the reactors, as they've already destroyed the surface facilities. They already destroyed Iran's anti-air and the US is covering the aircraft so they have free access to whatever they want to strike.
Now that they destroyed Iran's water plants, we're just going to ride delusions until every single Iranian is dead. But at least the "spirit of resistance" survives!
>>2340066>preferring strategic targets>in the same thread where people are exclusively cheering about strikes against Tel Aviv and all the videos of damage you can actually see are on random civilian structures >>2339976 >>2340122Which is it? That last one is a hospital which I was told is a sanctified location that shouldn't be struck with bomb, which is true. Why are these suburban race warriors all cheering for this?
>>2339977lol
>>2320398>>2333298>>2340132They have a blank check from the US government. It's the same reason the houthis piracy did absolutely nothing to stop the genocide in Gaza.
>>2340135 as this anon
>>2340146 said the money really isn't the issue. it's the material cost of building and transporting them. can the USA or Israel, whoever manufactures them, build them a fast enough rate to keep the necessary stock, and can they be put in place fast enough?
>>2340150the code your browser uses to render webp images could be exploited to execute harmful code that does bad things
the p in webp stands for penis, google developed webpenis alongside the CIA to penetrate your comouter and gives it aids
>>2340149>There is no proof whatsoever that Israel is bleeding hardExcept that they're tightening censorship and have banned citizens from leaving the country. Israeli citizens have also said that the shelters cant survive a direct hit. These aren't the actions of a state that is emerging from this conflict unscathed.
>if they were, they would be suing for a ceasefire which is what Iran is desperate forIran is waging a defensive campaign, so obviously they want a ceasefire. The missile attacks are retaliatory, securing a ceasefire is literally their entire purpose and they have said this openly. The Israelis meanwhile have the goal of destroying Iran's nuclear program, which they have as of yet failed to do, which is why they aren't asking for a ceasefire. Most likely they are banking on the US joining.
>>2340154Zionists have soft power.
>>2340158They sound frustrated
>>2340164The Israelis had a new idea, that they would be bombing everyone, and if nobody bombed them back, then everything would turn out okay.
But then something strange happened. It turned out, this was all a fantasy.
>>2340158 (You)
All the other posts were made by me. There are only two people you and me on this website.
>>2340285Obvious fake
Iran is too weak willed to use cluster munitions
>>2340328Gili Cohen comments:
I would put a big question mark over the next two weeks, for two reasons: yesterday we heard Trump on camera displaying clear impatience; and in two weeks - 7/4 - is American Independence Day. I would guess that Trump would want the event, certainly if it includes American involvement, to be finished by then, and not just beginning.
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