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>>2355954 https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/us-used-up-15-20-percent-global-thaad-arsenal-11-daysU.S. Used Up 15-20 Percent of its Global THAAD Anti-Missile Arsenal in Just 11 Days of Mid-Intensity Combat: Cost Over $800 Million
>The U.S. Army has been estimated to have consumed 15-20 of all munitions for its globally deployed arsenal of Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) long range anti-missile systems, after deployment to support Israeli air defences during the country’s 11 days of hostilities with Iran. A highly specialised asset designed to intercept medium and intermediate range ballistic missiles, the U.S. Army fields seven systems across five air defence regiments, and is set to operationalise an eighth by the end of the year. The systems are depended on to counter the arsenals of five potential adversaries including North Korea, China, Russia and Belarus, as well as Iran. Video footage has shown the launch of 39 interceptors to intercept Iranian missiles from June 13-24, although only a small portion of launches were captured on film partly due to the strict wartime censorship that was put in place in Israel. Presuming at a conservative estimate that the filmed launches from THAAD batteries accounted for 50-66 percent of total launches, total expenditure of interceptors amounted to approximately 60-80 interceptors during the 11 day conflict.
>The expenditure of 60-80 interceptors is significant when considering a combination of three factors: their cost, the small numbers available, and the relatively low intensity of Iranian missile strikes. With each THAAD interceptor launch costing an estimated $12-15 million, air defence operations using the system deployed in Israel cost an estimated $810 million to $1.215 billion. The expenditure of this many interceptors represents 15-20 percent of the entire U.S. Army’s arsenal, which has significant implications far beyond the Middle East, and particularly in the Pacific. The intensity of Iranian-Israeli hostilities was relatively low, with Iran having fired ballistic missiles at a modest rate well below its actual capabilities in order to maintain a proportional response to Israeli attacks, avoid escalation, and retain a capacity to respond should the United States escalate by fully entering the war. A further factor in the low intensity of operations is that the THAAD system in Israel had more support from other anti-ballistic missile systems than it would in almost any other location, with Israel’s Arrow and Barak 8 systems also optimised for intercepting such high altitude missiles, while nearby AEGIS destroyers provided support with their SM-3 anti-ballistic missiles.
>Had Iran launched more intensive missile attacks, including using more missile with multiple warheads, or had it sustained bombardment beyond the 11 day conflict, the THAAD system in Israel would have seen its ability to contribute to air defence operations rapidly diminish. The system’s limitations have very significant implications for its viability both in the Middle East, and globally where it is relied on to counter arsenals that are significantly larger and more capable than that of Iran. The first foreign deployment of the THAAD system was made in June 2009 to protect Hawaii from North Korean intermediate range ballistic missiles, with a second system deployed on Guam in 2013, followed by a third in South Korea from 2016. THAAD batteries and radars have also been tested on Wake Island, which has gained growing importance in American plans for a potential war with North Korea and China, and is expected to be protected by the systems in wartime. Russia’s recent introduction of the Oreshnik intermediate range ballistic missile, its sharing of the missiles with Belarus, and its procurement of North Korean Pukkuksong-2 medium range ballistic missiles, are expected to also lead to calls to also deploy THAAD systems in Europe. Thus the rate at which the arsenal of THAAD interceptors was depleted in Israel’s defence despite highly favourable conditions bodes ill for the systems’ viability in future medium and high intensity conflicts, as well as the affordability of its operations. HARDEN YOUR HEART O AYATOLLAH! INCREASE YOUR ATTACKS >>2357602>The point is that 400k of my neighbors don't care that he makes Jews feel unsafe. That's the real tragedy here.This is so friggin' WEAK. Do other Zionists feel any embarrassment reading things like this? I'm sure some of them do. Like where the hell is your dignity, Andres? Can I call you Andres? I know he's not reading this but I'm being rhetorical for a moment.
Because, listen, Andres. You want people to like you, right? I only say this because I'm a fag and we've had a lot of haters who wanted to throw us in AIDS camps and we were also victims of the Holocaust, so I think we can relate.
How do you go about achieving this strategic goal of getting people to like you? Do you launch a city-wide "Don't Dislike Andres!" campaign? Like with billboards, petitions, full-page ads, a couple of lobbying organizations and occasional sky-writing? Do you have another monotonous protest yammering "Hey, Hey, Ho, Ho, anti-Andres have got to go!?" Or do you live your life a bit differently, concentrating your time and effort on being the best "yourself" that you can be? Which involves living, learning, treating others well, and if a few people nevertheless persist in being haters you say "fuck you" and move on?
Clearly, any sane person would choose the latter, because the former is not only laughably ludicrous but incredibly demeaning and unforgivably ineffective. But for some reason, there are a bunch of Jews who not only persist in doing that, they prefer to wallow in a fundamentally IGNORANT relationship to their own rich and enlightening Jewish culture. I bet they don't even try to learn Hebrew… they're not even good Zionists! You think anyone finds this attractive? Your people have been subject to enslavement, expulsions, crusades, pogroms, inquisitions, and the entire WORLD watched six million of your people get butchered and you think you can REASON with antisemitism? You think you can sit there and
beg to be liked???
By the way, I'm also pretty sure the other Zionists in Israel – the real meatheaded ones – don't give a fuck what I think. When they bombed Iran, did they ask the world's approval? If the world disapproved, would they have not done it? For those in the world who do like Israel, did Israel ever gain that liking and respect by begging? No they didn't??? And you call yourself a Zionist.
>>2357643>This is so friggin' WEAK. Do other Zionists feel any embarrassment reading things like this? I'm sure some of them do. Like where the hell is your dignity, Andres? Can I call you Andres? I know he's not reading this but I'm being rhetorical for a moment.zionazis have two moods:
<it's so over, me being attacked on twitter is literally a second holocaustand
<hahaha the palestinian child died screaming, this is literally victory over hitler >>2357597probably not happening:
https://www.newsweek.com/nato-us-withdraw-senator-mike-lee-republican-effort-2090914
>Republican Senator Mike Lee has introduced a bill to withdraw the U.S. from NATO, which comes after a two-day alliance summit in The Hague.
>In reference to the alliance's acronym, the Utah lawmaker introduced the Not A Trusted Organization (NATO) Act to take the U.S. out from the bloc, which he said had "run its course" as he accused its European members of "making American taxpayers pick up the check for decades."
>The act would direct President Donald Trump to provide notice of denunciation of U.S. membership in NATO, consistent with Article 13 of the alliance treaty, Lee said.
>However, the bill faces uncertain prospects given prior bipartisan moves to prevent U.S. withdrawal from NATO. Also at the alliance's meeting on Wednesday, Trump welcomed increased defense spending among members.We've already seen Trump and even Tulsi side with "The Swamp" on the Iran/Israel issue. Why would they deviate from "The Swamp" on NATO?
>>2357630>>2357609this, vibes amongst the us are anyone under 30 either supporting palestine or has stopped supporting isreal out of apathy, and anyone over 50 has plugged their ears and stopped listening to save themselves from having to think about it or is pretending it's all fake. i havent touched bases with leftypol's opinion on the NY situation and Bernie-Sanders-But-He-Knows-What-Tiktok-Is recently but i dont think there's a more appropriate anecdote for the shift in perspective; it's not necessarily that the corbyn-ing isn't working, it's just that people don't seem to view it as a relevant issue anymore.
i think if if public opinion had truly flipped in support of palestine, the media circus wouldn't even try to run the story, but they're still trying because the general response is that those "criticisms" are still "valid" but they aren't the show stopper they once were
>>2357647That's because America has real power over them and. America is their source of money and weapons. If that is taken away then Israel fails. They can see the winds are shifting and are afraid.
On the other hand Palestinians are weak with no real ability or will to attack. 1700 Israelis have died compared to 50000 to 100000 Palestinians in the past 2 years. They know they can completely genocide them given enough time.
>>2357747Ashkenazi jews got BLEACHED for two thousand years in Central/Eastern Europe. They are now whiter than "white" Italians, Spanish and Greeks who have had much closer ties with Africa and Middle East over the last few centuries.
>>2357692But the US isn't going to be alone or close to alone. It would be team West vs. team East.
So
>Anglosphere+Europe+The honorary Asians in Europe+the cool ragheads and IsraelVs.
<China+Russia+Iran+NKThe US team is much bigger power wise. They can probably get India on the team and they'd be much bigger in absolute numbers as well.
But it won't happen because the world already solved the world war problem with MAD nuclear strategy.
>>2357755I guess DNA evidence is a big hoax to you? We know Ashkenazi Jews have large amounts of European DNA through modern studies.
But even if we didn't have that as evidence Jewish people literally have matrilineal decent because of how often their women just got raped by conquerors.
After all taboos don't matter to men when you don't need to take care of the resulting kid and the baby mamma has to go back to the ghetto.
>>2357769But IRL, the US will go for the first strike. I also think it is the best move actually. There is no point waiting for your enemy to strike first with the nuclear mass strike. How the fuck are you going to fight your enemy without nukes until they're losing, then they're going to do the first strike anyways? Or you lose and then you use the mass nukes. That's why it is better to just try and strike first.
But obviously the consequence of a nuclear war will always leave you worse off than if you didn't so that's why there will never be a hot war between the East and West.
>>2357774It's true DNA ancestry can be manipulated. In fact most Jews try to show they are mostly Middle Eastern and are "native" to Palestine as you said.
But do you know what can't be manipulated? Their fucking looks. Show me a random group of Sephardi, Mizrahi, Ethiopian and Ashkenazi Jews and I can pick out the white Ashkenazi 100 out of 100 times simply by their pale skin color and Euro facial features.
You can pretend no one ever interacted with them all you want but their looks alone prove you wrong. We can throw out all historical evidence of them living in Europe and still see they are white.
Also Spanish, Italians, and Greeks look darker than the rest of Europe. Again you can pretend cultural segregation kept them separate from the rest of the Mediterranean but their looks prove the opposite.
>>2357872>you backstabbers would turn on me in no timeDo you have a concrete reason for believing in this eventual backstab or are you just being paranoid?
>>2357886What specific retardation are you talking about? You made several posts referring to something yet you are being vague about it…
>>2357893>>2357898Bro, you are not Christ. Don't pretend to be some rejected religious savior who was martyred by the stupid masses when you haven't even had a leadership role. If everyone is rejecting you then it's probably for a reason. If everything around you smells like shit then look at your own shoe…
Seriously take a break and get some sleep. It sounds like you are having a manic episode or something.
>>2357915the greatest antithesis of bourgeois society - free bus tickets
>>2357924>neocolonial exploitationnah you fell off bro
>>2357925>>2357928What you are saying is you lead a little drug cult but since leftists wants some materialist arguments you feel rejected. This has caused you to throw a little fit and accuse us of being stupid for not obeying your will mindlessly.
Get off the drugs, man.
>>2357937>It's real. Never said it wasn't real. I was just saying there is a limit to small religious orgs and who they can convince. To make it bigger you need real arguments not just some interpersonal charm or drugs.
>My power has been confirmed by many experiences. Some people are easy to lead and want to take orders. Doesn't mean you are magic.
>Anyways I'm not arguing with you.I know. I was wondering what you contention was and you can't say specifically and leave it vague. Turns out you just upset we don't flatter your god complex.
>How do me and you intersect? Through this site obviously.
>>2357952>Never said it wasn't real. I was just saying there is a limit to small religious orgs and who they can convince. To make it bigger you need real arguments not just some interpersonal charm or drugs.Ok. My argument is god is real, your soul is real. You should abandon your civilized life as our lord Christ said.
>Some people are easy to lead and want to take orders. Doesn't mean you are magic.I am a skeptic. I have been informed by many non-verbal experiences with humans and not humans. I can certainly direct them purely by thought.
<I know. I was wondering what you contention was and you can't say specifically and leave it vague. Turns out you just upset we don't flatter your god complex.Believe whatever you want. If I could prove it to you, would you help me achieve my objectives? (I don't really know if I have any objective, I'd rather just quit this shit and leave you all to your own devices)
>>2357964>Le rushais this what you're referring to?
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/RuSHAGee I wonder what their interest would be in denying Out of Africa?
>>2357958>My argument is god is real, your soul is real. You should abandon your civilized life as our lord Christ said. So what happens after I believe it? What specific actions are supposed to come after?
>>2357961> If you could sacrifice self-service in an intellectual way on am mass scaleSo what specifically does this mean? Honestly it sound's like comrade Jim Jones method of reaching communism through "revolutionary suicide"
>>2357977According to this definition Foundational Black Americans are settler colonists. They displaced the American "indigenous" populations.
>>2357983>So what happens after I believe it? What specific actions are supposed to come after?A good question. My point I was getting at is I don't know myself. My goal would to be create peers and not followers. I don't want that responsibility.
>>2357983>So what specifically does this mean? Honestly it sound's like comrade Jim Jones method of reaching communism through "revolutionary suicide"It means as I already laid out, as I feel myself, I have no need for self-service, I have no need for insult by people. You are all retards. To be recognized by retards is frankly an insult.
>>2357983>According to this definition Foundational Black Americans are settler colonists.I don't think being bought/sold as slaves for the actual settler-colonists counts as settler colonialism.
>FBAIsn't this a national-chauvinist grift to pit US African-Americans against black immigrants? Wouldn't FBAs rather join forces with Haitians, Jamaicans, etc. who have also been oppressed in a similar way against the US white supremacist state? FBA always struck me as a psy-op.
>>2357987>I don't think being bought/sold as slaves for the actual settler-colonists counts as settler colonialism. Might not seem fair but they are still part of the colonial forces invading.
But lets just say for arguments sake Chattel slaves don't count. Does legal slaves who were convicted criminals count? Do indentured servants count? Immigrant labor? Do non-landowning workers count? What is the line of responsibility exactly?
>grift to pit US African-Americans against black immigrants? It's not really a grift if they are different culturally groups of people.
>Wouldn't FBAs rather join forces with Haitians, Jamaicans, etc. who have also been oppressed in a similar way against the US white supremacist state?They should work together but American Blacks are not Haitian, Nigerian, Somalian etc.They are immigrant labor, speak different languages and have different cultures from Americans.
>>2358019Read the thread. He's a paranoid schizo who's taken too many drugs and thinks he has magic powers. Sad!
>>2358028>Might not seem fair but they are still part of the colonial forces invading.who is that framing useful for?
>But lets just say for arguments sake Chattel slaves don't count. Does legal slaves who were convicted criminals count? Do indentured servants count? Immigrant labor? Do non-landowning workers count? What is the line of responsibility exactly?deliberately committing genocide against an indigenous population and invoking ideas like terra nullius to do so.
>They should work together but American Blacks are not Haitian, Nigerian, Somalian etc.They are immigrant labor, speak different languages and have different cultures from Americans. That's true but there's levels and distinctions to be made. I think the material interests are more common in some cases. Black Americans and White Americans share the same language and to an extent the same culture, but black Americans are (mostly) descendants of chattel slaves and white Americans are (mostly) descendants of settler-colonists. Meanwhile Haitians and Jamaicans for example, have different language/culture than black US Americans but are still part of the new world diaspora that was brought over as chattel slaves. Haitian immigrants to the US are largely a byproduct of the US fucking with Haiti through coups, and other forms of economic rape, like forcing them on threat of invasion to pay the French reparations for 150 years after their revolution, and then occupying them for over a decade in the early 1900s and building forced labor camps and assassinating their political resistance leaders, etc. So Haiti has been destroyed by the US army multiple times and people fleeing that country from the US are fleeing the consequences of US imperialism and going to where the standard of living is higher. It seems odd to and politically convenient for supremacists and imperialists to pit black US Americans against them through shit like "FBA" rhetoric. FBA strikes me as a psy op pushed by opportunists and grifters.
>>2358043uhhhhhhhhhhh
let me be clear
if you like your skin
you can keep it
>>2357935>I am absolutely SICK of Jewish peoples victim complex. >>2357602>>2357610>Literally a bunch of white people who feel unsafe because they have to interact with people of color as human beings. LOL this is hilarious because working class Jews are unsafe, and the proletariat is hanging out 24/7 with their friends in the racially oppressed underclass that nazism criminalizes!
You won't see these PMC Jews tweet the most basic proletarian discourse of: "the cops beat my friends in the ghetto, these disgusting fucking pigs would have lynched Jesus, and they did!!! And they would lynch Jesus if he returned, or more likely deported his refugee ancestor Ruth and prevented him from existing".
NYC Zionists who "feel unsafe" because of Zohran are not the class of oppressed workers who the nazis forced into ghettos. in fact they are the very nazis doing ethnic cleansing with housing segregation and redlining:
https://www.google.com/search?q=white+flight+disinvestment+%22finance%22+%22capitalism%22<Redlining and Disinvestment: Discriminatory housing policies, like redlining, denied access to homeownership for people of color, fueling the geographic concentration of poverty and further disinvestment.<Profit from Segregation: Financial benefits accrued to real estate developers, agents, and investors who used strategies like "blockbusting" and racially restrictive subdivisions to profit from segregation.>Bond Market and Exclusive Suburbs: White flight benefited homeowners through increased equity and also created a more lucrative bond market that could fund resources in the suburbs, further entrenching racial capitalism. >>2358039>who is that framing useful for?No one? It just a conclusion reached if we take the idea of settler colonialism as defined.
>deliberately committing genocide against an indigenous populationSo if it isn't deliberate then you are not part of the settler colonialists?
>invoking ideas like terra nullius to do so. Slaves can also be convinced of this and repeat the idea.
>politically convenient for supremacists and imperialists to pit black US Americans against them through shit like "FBA" rhetoric.They are just using the tools of identity politics and ethnic divisions already in existence and using them.
>FBA strikes me as a psy op pushed by opportunists and grifters.It often is.
Settler colonialism is interesting as a topic but that time has largely passed. Being aware of ethnic identity and culture is fine but communists shouldn't lean on it to unite the working class. There can always be new ethnic and national divisions created and used by capitalists. FBA is just a newer example. We should be deemphasizing race to side set this not trying to make it more important.
>>2358073>>2358084I think the question was interpreted more like:
<should the AmeriKKKan Empire bomb Iran without KKKongress' approval?I think there's no doubt, the average AmeriKKKaner labor aristoKKKrat absolutely agrees that bombing the Middle East is a good and necessary thing.
>>2358092when was the last time the "Taft-Hartley Act" was invoked
https://chatgpt.com/share/685eca5a-640c-8005-b84b-104f37a006f1ChatGPT said:
The Taft-Hartley Act (officially the Labor Management Relations Act of 1947) grants the U.S. President authority to intervene in certain labor disputes that threaten national health or safety, particularly by seeking an 80-day cooling-off period via court injunction.
✅ Last Known Invocation:
The last time the Taft-Hartley Act was invoked was in 2002, by President George W. Bush.
Context: A labor dispute involving the International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU) and Pacific Maritime Association (PMA).
Industry: West Coast ports.
Reason: A 10-day lockout of dockworkers was seen as a major threat to the U.S. economy, especially in the wake of the 9/11 attacks and ongoing economic instability.
Action: President Bush invoked Taft-Hartley to reopen the ports and force an 80-day cooling-off period.
Notable Previous Uses:
1978 – President Jimmy Carter: Sought to use it against the coal miners’ strike (United Mine Workers), but the judge declined to issue the injunction.
1971 – President Richard Nixon: Invoked during a national dockworkers strike.
Let me know if you want a full list of every time it's been invoked or attempted.
>>2358136>actually indiansyes that is also racist but he didn't bafflingly start his sentence with "I'm not going to get racist on you"
>Brazilian isn't a racenationality is regularly used as a proxy for race by racists. i.e. mexicans getting called beaners and wetbacks, etc.
>>2358141Birthright citizenship is dead, gay books are no longer allowed in schools, the Supreme Court says Trump can effectively do whatever he wants, and nobody here is even considering getting ready for a revolution.
So basically business as usual
>>2358076But this xenophobia thing, Europe included, goes far in excess of what's necessary to satisfy the cruelty of the rightoid bases. Like, you can't pogrom migrants in the first world. You can't actually pander to white nationalist demands without destroying your own economy either. Speed-running fascism makes no sense if one cannot
actually go to war without crashing the economy or launching the nukes.
It feels like they are building a fascist movement against a socialist revolution that isn't coming.
>>2357589So, I have a question: have the burger Supreme Court judges
really just completely undermined their democracy by kneecapping their own judicial system?
>>2358215Outlawing porn vaguely is retarded because what is defined as porn is based on pure vibes.
Nudists beaches aren't considered pornographic. It's ALL vibes. People who support porn bans are just retards who don't understand that it means "we can ban whatever we deem obscene".
Don't like someone being violent on main? They clearly have a gore fetish, lock them up, etc.
>>2358220that sounds based
>>2358221problem?
>>2358258maybe you could go on a suicide mission. two less billionaires and one less "rape fiend" is a good thing
>>2358257>the woke socialist US governmenttiresome
>>2358266what if all the reactionaries were right?
what if sheer barbaric force IS the only thing that matters in this world, and all else is a coping mechanism?
>>2358274>reheated Duhring's Theory of ForceRead
Anti-Duhring and
Socialism: Utopian and Scientific for a thorough rebuttal of this.
>>2358213That's not what the ruling says. The decision was basically "laws requiring porn shops to check ID at the door have been constitutional for decades, so therefore they can apply to the digital realm as well." It didn't really change the constitutionality of porn at all.
Porn sites will probably still be protected from shit like requiring 5 forms of identification specifically designed to harm their traffic and revenue
>>2358285Doubtful. A reactionary supreme court had every opportunity to shoot that arrow, but still refused to
The next fight for porn sites will probably be about the kinds of verification they're forced to do. Biometrics collection and data retention are unpopular among consumers.
>>2358220not even the USSR could ban porn.
https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/government/constitution/1977/constitution-ussr-1977.pdfhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Criminal_Code_of_Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic%2C_1961.pdfdon't gaze on silly stuff. they knew it was something that cannot be solved by a decrees or law by no reason. the only way to solve pornography is giving more opportunities to the US people, education, equality, equity and justice, so people, woman particularly because they are more vulnerable, have a need to do pornography.
Former Obama administration OMB Director Peter Orszag, the CEO of Lazard, sounded an alarm Thursday morning over the leftward direction of the Democratic Party, especially when it comes to its handling of antisemitism.
He spoke out on CNBC after far-left state Assemblyman Zohran Mamdani won the Democratic nomination for New York City mayor.
“I’m saddened to say the Democratic Party is becoming increasingly antisemitic and anti-capitalism… Turning away from your principles and towards antisemitism never works,” Orszag said on CNBC’s “Money Movers” this afternoon.
He went on: “The Democratic candidate for mayor has embraced the global intifada idea. The DCCC has distributed fundraising emails from a senior Democratic operative [James Carville] saying Jewish donors [are] only interested in tax cuts. The senior leadership in the party seems to have cognitive dissonance on Israel. It’s problematic.”
https://jewishinsider.com/2025/06/obama-omb-director-says-democratic-party-is-becoming-increasingly-antisemitic/>>2358316 (me)
>have no need to do pornffs. I need to read more often before posting.
>>2358335The internet has had adults preying on children since its inception. Real life has that too. Guess what no kind of policy is gonna change that. The only solution is teaching children proper online safety, just like you teach them not to trust strangers in real life you can teach them to not trust strangers online.
You're just looking to make life harder or more annoying for people who have no interest in your crusade. Just shut up dude.
>>2358359>Guess what no kind of policy is gonna change that. The only solution is teaching children proper online safety, just like you teach them not to trust strangers in real life you can teach them to not trust strangers online.didn't disagree with this
>You're just looking to make life harder or more annoying for peoplei never agreed with making porn illegal or even adding ID checks. actually all i said was
>there's a difference being a kid who goes out of their way to acquire porn and being an adult who actively peddles it to childrenand trigger happy idiots immediately assumed that meant I was siding with the conservacucks in the broader discussion
>>2358368>whose entire personality revolves around loudly proclaiming how against pedophilia you are at all times, huhyou get two responses on an anonymous imageboard, and assume that's my entire personality? anyway you're free to actually come up with a real response at any time instead of
>implying i'm a pedophile for being against pedophilia
>>2358333have they not, though? /pol/ is housed on one of the most degenerate places on internet, where in multiple occasions child pornography, zoophilia and other questionable pornographic material and other deviated behaviors have been shared.
infinite chan houses a /zoo/ board, and the silly /interracial/ while they discuss muh pure race and muh values with such an incredible enthusiasm.
>>2358330 (me)
see?
>>2358333 it wasn't sarcastic. lmao.
>>2358376>act shocked when this topic comes up while a guy literally named rape fiend is ITT screaming "let the kiddos look at smut"selective attention i see
>>2358377>well yes actually, problem?go do it IRL and see how long it lasts before people put you in your place
>>2358219>>2358350>>2358357Wrong. porn is banned in Communism because pornography is capitalist social relation
Article 152
Whoever, for the purpose of making profits or dissemination, smuggles pornographic movies, videotapes, magnetic tapes, pictures, books or periodicals or other pornographic materials shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not less than three years but not more than 10 years and shall also be fined; if the circumstances are serious, he shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not less than 10 years or life imprisonment and shall also be fined or be sentenced to confiscation of property; if the circumstances are minor, he shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not more than three years, criminal detention or public surveillance, and shall also be fined.
Whoever, evading Customs supervision and control, transports solid waste, liquid waste or gaseous waste from outside China into the territory of China, if the circumstances are serious, shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not more than five years and shall in addition, or shall only, be fined; if the circumstances are especially serious, he shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not less than five years and shall in addition be fined.
Where a unit commits any of the crimes as mentioned in the preceding two paragraphs, it shall be fined, and the persons who are directly in charge of the unit and the other persons who are directly responsible for the crime shall be punished in accordance with the provisions of the preceding two paragraphs.
Article 363
Whoever, for the purpose of profit, produces, duplicates, publishes, sells or disseminates pornographic materials shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not more than three years, criminal detention or public surveillance and shall also be fined; if the circumstances are serious, he shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not less than three years but not more than 10 years and shall also be fined; if the circumstances are especially serious, he shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not less than 10 years or life imprisonment, and shall also be fined or be sentenced to confiscation of property.
Whoever provides book numbers for another person to publish pornographic books or periodicals shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not more than three years, criminal detention or public surveillance and shall also, or shall only, be fined; whoever knowingly provides books numbers to another person who will use them for publishing pornographic books or periodicals shall be punished in accordance with the provisions of the preceding paragraph.
Article 364
Whoever disseminates pornographic materials including books, periodicals, movies, video-audio tapes and pictures, if the circumstances are serious, shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not more than two years, criminal detention or public surveillance.
Whoever arranges for shows of pornographic audio-video products including movies and video-tapes shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not more than three years, criminal detention or public surveillance and shall also be fined; if the circumstances are serious, he shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not less than three years but not more than 10 years and shall also be fined.
Whoever produces or duplicates pornographic audio-video products including movies and video-tapes and arranges for their show shall be given a heavier punishment in accordance with the provisions of the second paragraph of this Article.
Whoever disseminates pornographic materials to a minor under the age of 18 shall be given a heavier punishment.
Article 365
Whoever arranges for pornographic performances shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not more than three years, criminal detention or public surveillance and shall also be fined; if the circumstances are serious, he shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not less than three years but not more than 10 years and shall also be fined.
Article 366
Where a unit commits any of the crimes mentioned in Articles 363, 364 and 365 of this Section, it shall be fined, and the persons who are directly in charge and the other persons who are directly responsible for the offence shall be punished in accordance with the provisions of the Articles respectively.
Article 367
For the purpose of this Law, pornographic materials refer to obscene books, periodicals, movies, video-and audio-tapes, pictures, etc. that explicitly portray sexual behavior or undisguisedly publicize pornographic materials.
Scientific works on human physiology or medical knowledge are not pornographic materials.
Literary and art works of artistic value which contain erotic contents shall not be regarded as pornographic materials.
>>2358265>>2358268capitalist citizenship implies greater right than non-citizen therefore capitalist citizenship must be destroyed. buying rights is bourgeois
>>2358397Have you actually presented an argument about anything or is every post of yours just going to be
>oh my stars, a namefag is being edgy online, somebody stop him!or
>have i mentioned how much i hate pedos today? >>2358415you literally accused anon of being a pedo for being against pedophilia.
the rape fiend guy was spamming "cunny" memes the other day but suuuuuuuuure the people who think he's a freak are the REAL pedos. kys.
>>23584185 out of a population of 1.4 billion? in 2010? where many people watches porn (picrel)
again, you are fixated on unimportant things. It's given that the Chinese used their right to self-determination to curve whatever problem pornography causes by taking extreme measures, but you will have a massive debate that won't lead to a meaningful evidence of a working policy, that doesn't necessarily lead to socialism on other places, and get your hypothetical government completely disliked.
>>2358447>the -ACK>MANthe -ACK strikes again.
but he already won the DNC primaries, he's the de-facto demokkkrap candidate, is he going to pour those "hundreds of millions" into a rethuglican candidate?
>>2358438Anti-porn freaks want to criminalize something 60% of the population at minimum all do.
It's not about protecting children, but by stressing people and placing them in a perpetual state of paranoia by outlawing something so common and widespread that everyone is a criminal to be arrested whenever it is convenient to arrest them
>>2358456nor should you. one of the glownonymous tor posters is a perrenial troll whose entire schtick is defending social conservatism
under capitalism as communist because of passing resemblance to things in the PRC or USSR
>>2358516>PRC>USSRfunny, he ignored my post I did where it shows how the USSR didn't care about pornography. he probably will deflect to
muh failed project or
not true socialism because muh porn wasn't banned.
that's 100% a pol-tier moron. ugh.
>>2358438>Pan Suiming and western colleaguesbourgeois-minded baizou capitalist affiliated "sexologist" pseud whose brain was not washed hard enough. This lumpen-gooner "research" is totally faked as pretext to normalize capitalist degenerate content
>a massive debate that won't lead to a meaningful evidence of a working policyThere is no debate. Pornography consumption is massive waste of labor. Pornography consumption degenerates any society. Pornography consumption is anti-social. Pornographic industrial complex cannot exist under socialist relation.
>>2358497It's totally faked by a baizou enacting the capitalist agenda
>>2358514Wrong. The People's War on Drugs must be waged to destroy capitalist degeneracy. The People's War on Drugs is successful.
https://us.china-embassy.gov.cn/eng//zggs/202406/t20240620_11438701.htmhttps://www.mps.gov.cn/n2255079/n6865805/n7355748/n7355818/c10114681/content.html>ue to continuous stringent crackdowns, the market supply of heroin and crystal meth in China has decreased, with national retail prices continuing to rise, reaching 1,465 yuan/gram and 1,615 yuan/gram, up 16% and 33% year-on-year, respectively. Meth is ten times more expensive in nominal terms, fifteen or twenty times more expensive in real terms, in Communist China than ameriKKKa thanks to the successful People's War on Drugs.
>>2358497I think it's important to point out too that this is just another prong on the attack on civil rights in general, and that the "they're peddling porn to children!" is the same cover story they're using to attack public schools and libraries in Florida and the rest of the US.
It's all very cynical because these people supposedly advocating to protect "the children" have no qualms about exposing them to similarly "pornographic" material with "obscene" content when it suits their ideological purposes, like the Bible, or actually physically hurting children in other ways that they deem acceptable like contact sports or sexual conversion camps. They're only against "porn/obscene material" when it comes to children being exposed to sex education, concepts of bodily autonomy or consent, or novel sexual identities.
So in that regard if the disingenuous question is "do you support selling porn to minors?" the answer should be "yes", because the actual content of the argument isn't whether or not schoolchildren should be able to buy Hustler, but whether or not they have the right to access information which challenges or subverts the ability for reactionaries to dominate, control, and exploit them.
>>2358407To elaborate a bit more: I heard a guy once differentiate dialectical materialism from moralism by saying that dialectical materialism is about understanding history—warts and all—and not letting moral judgements corrupt your analysis.
Now to me that was quite a liberating thing; because if you look at history without trying to impose a moral framework on it, things like the liberal critiques of the USSR dissolve. Because you can recognize the inherent absurdity of Churchill weeping over the Holodomor while presiding over the Bengali famine. There was an ad I saw the other day on TV, and it was the most absurdly fascist thing I’d seen—it was called “The American Edge Project” and it started with this red-filtered image of guys in body armor clubbing a crowd of protesters; some deep-voiced narrator exclaims “China’s vision of the future is one of control; we can’t lose the AI race to them.” Then it extolled the virtues of American freedom and prosperity and tried to rally the viewer to find AI research. And you know, looking at it through materialist lenses, it’s just ridiculous. I can turn on the news and see videos of masked men kidnapping my countrymen in my city, but I should be worried about “China’s insidious agenda of total control”. Like you abandon moralistic notions of “inscrutable celestials” when you adopt a framework rooted in dialectical materialism.
Yet though that analysis is supposed to be directed towards liberatory politics and making smart strategic/tactical decisions, instead people utilize it to develop just another moral framework that allows them to imagine a society constituted around their individual wants, justifying their prejudices or perversions, and ultimately not escaping the trap of idealistic thinking.
What matters is achieving actual power, tangible change in the real world. But instead we’ve got jackasses wondering if communism will ban their least favorite art, or lower the age of consent, or if heterosexuality will be eliminated once communism gives us genetically modified femboys capable of getting boipreggers. It’s all speculating about a society that won’t exist because people only want to use Marxist tools to speculate.
Ms Taylor Greene suggested the GOP could learn from Mr Mamdani’s successful campaign, which will see him contest the November election as a front runner in a city that has not elected a Republican since 2005.
“I’ve watched quite a few of [Mamdani’s] videos and he did something pretty unique and very smart, even though I don’t agree with anything he says”, the congresswoman told Real America’s Voice.
Ms Taylor Greene added: “He really ran a campaign where he talked directly to the people. He was focused on their issues, focused on their problems and talking to the people about his solutions even though his solutions were insane, they’re socialist, probably communist, but he was talking directly to the people.”
She said: “When we’re not talking to the people and not working on the people’s problems we lose the people and the people will turn elsewhere.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/06/27/marjorie-taylor-greene-zohran-mamdani-smart/>>2358550She's not wrong. Part of the success of Fetterman's campaign involved him going to every county and talking to people. Making actual physical appearances and talking with people about their problems also majorly contributed to Trump's first election success. Howard Dean proposed a similar strategy way back when to beat Bush, though the dnc rejected it.
Part of the reason it isn't done more often is because it's so successful, but that success is a double edged sword. People expect you to follow through on your promises, and failing or refusing to deliver basically destroys your credibility. This has been a big problem for both parties for years, where republican voters ruthlessly punished "RINOs", and now Democrats are facing problems because outside of promises to "fight for x" they also don't deliver on any concrete gains for regular people.
>>2358556China does have a lot of AI slop though in general. Removing moralism also means being willing to use deceptive tactics to achieve your political goals so long as the means aren't damaging to your cause. China isn't above using AI for propaganda, it's all over Tiktok and Twitter.
The real point is just, dialectical materialism requires having an open mind. If you shed the moralist framing of banning porn then you just crash into a bunch of societal problems it creates for not much benefit beyond restoring the "dignity" of sex or whatever. Ironically China's porn ban is entirely framed as some moralist "spiritual purity" bullshit. Even the Chinese are aware that it makes no sense to ban porn, but they did it to combat Western-influenced traffickers.
>>2358293And how do you do that on the internet, where NOTHING can realistically stop you if you want to go someplace?
By placing a responsibility upon websites on pain of legal destruction that's so impossible to achieve that the site has to fucking shut down.
>>2358545>people only want to use Marxist tools to speculate.Your bourgeois mind fails to grasp the essence of dialectical materialism. Your bourgeois pessimism reduces the proletarian science to nothing. Dialectal materialism is not mere speculation, but the highest form of science. The bourgeois pseud denies that social development proceeds in conformity with objective laws, holding that scientific prevision of the future is impossible on the grounds that the future depends on people’s intentions and desires, which no one can prophesy. The plans and aspirations of the mass of the people are determined by the objective conditions of their lives. Therefore, knowledge of the tendencies resulting from the laws of development of contemporary society enables us to foresee the future course of events. The future does not arise out of nothing but merely realizes the possibilities inherent in the present. The power of human thought lies in its capacity to go beyond the bounds of the immediate moment, to understand past developments, and to foresee those of the future by means of the objective laws that it has discovered. By revealing the laws governing the operation and development of the forces of nature and society, Marxism-Leninism, only genuine, revolutionary science can always foresee the future. The proletarian science of the laws of social development enables us not only to chart the correct path through the labyrinth of contradictions, but to foresee the course events will take, the direction of historical progress and the next stages of social advance.
>>2358601Yeah, like that bill a few years ago, FISA I think? It had some revenge porn shit in it that was crazy. Basically any image or video hosting website would have to have moderators working round the clock, because penalties for hosting "unauthorized porn" started from the instant a complaint was received and compounded every hour that the allegedly offending image remained accessible. Essentially all it would take to destroy a site like leftypol would be for someone to upload a picture of their girlfriend onto it, submit a complaint while mods were asleep, and then wait for the government to hit the site with thousands of dollars in fines.
And that's all aside from the child porn database the government wants to set up.
>>2358550MTG in her insanity is right. it's a shame she doesn't want to implement the only tool capable of solving people's troubles.
>>2358565what's cooking, chef.
>>2358591>failing for b8s.lurk moars.
>>2358224the dsa will see him either elected->then he will abandon every declaration the dsa will make without kicking him off the dsa party/get sabotaged by the demokkkraps to the point of getting him in second place and they will keep tailing the DNC like good dogs.
fun show, fun times.
>>2358684have you not ever seen aoc abandoning every dsa resolution? on BDS, on war on terror, on israel, and then gleefully ignoring what she did, and never kicking her out? the D.FUCKING.S.A.? who bragged about having ties with the ned?
fun times, indeed. i love zionists coping hard, though.
>>2358556>>2358581>China does have a lot of AI slop though in general. Removing moralism also means being willing to use deceptive tactics to achieve your political goals so long as the means aren't damaging to your cause.Okay so this might verge on some liberal “just like my Harry Potter!!!!” take, but a buddy of mine watched Andor and was raving at how good it was, and said I’d specifically like Skarsgaard’s character. So I figure I’d read a brief description of the guy online and it turns out he’s this amoral spymaster, very much an “ends justify means” type of character. Now, that wasn’t the interesting part, the interesting aspect was reading some of the fan reactions.
Lots of people, apparently, thought that there’d be some twist where it turns out he was secretly a villain all along. Others couldn’t really comprehend a character that doesn’t fit in this stark “good or evil” moral binary, and it just seems to have broken their brains to think there’s a guy fighting for an unabashedly good thing using ruthless methods. We’re used to bad guys with good motives, good guys who swear a lot, but “good guy without moral fetters” is a trope that doesn’t get much attention these days. It runs against decades of programming that there’s always a third option or that such ruthlessness doesn’t pay off in the long run. It can deeply disturb people when you say:
>”Yeah, the guy that executes people for knowing too much, that cynically uses tragedies, and manipulates events to cause showy civilian casualties? He’s right.”And I think this kind of plays at a divide both within the Left and within radical politics as a whole. I’d say when it comes down to inner left disputes, you’ve got Anarchists taking the side of conventional morality and MLs asserting the need to go beyond that. Then within Left v Right, you’ve got a Right that’s completely unrestrained by moral conventions and a Left that’s ultimately a slave to moral concerns. This lack of restraint gives the Right a great deal of practical power because they only focus on the goal of attaining power and shaping the world how they want. Everyone knows Lindsay Graham takes it up the ass but no one cares as long as he serves their interests—while on the left we’ve got a million terms for orgs failing some standard of purity “oh they’re revisionist, they’re opportunists, they’re tailists, they’re idealists” and on and on and on, meanwhile Nazis are watching their wives get fucked and using meth and being degenerates but still lurching the world towards their vision ‘cause they use whatever they can. In Basketball terms, our team is bickering over the perfect defense, what strategy are we gonna use, and meanwhile our opponents are disorganized and just taking every shot they can. Liberals constantly use the threat of “the other guy is worse” to try and discipline the Left, and again and again we fall for it. Look at Macron in France sounding the alarm about the right, proposing an alliance with the Left, and then when the Left does better than expected in an election he… elevates the Right.
Use whatever works; lie, compromise, sacrifice, be ruthless cause everyone else is. Or sit on your hands and worry if Shakespeare is reactionary or whatever.
>>2358046Ah, yes, the Volume 1 and 2 of the Hammer Sickle Book.
The most dangerous of all Communist text. Zohran truly is on another level.
>>2358119No one alive today voted for the constitution. It's illegitimate if you believe in democracy.
>>2358620If even lib true believers like Hogg are publicly attacking the DNC you know they are fucking up big time.
>>2358745That's not the point I'm making actually. It's helpful to look at your (pet social issue) from a Marxist lens and identify how to frame it in a way that doesn't overly rely on liberal moralist slop. ie, Trans people deserve rights not because they're "heckin valid and sexy" but because they're your fellow humans and you should treat them with respect regardless of whether you think they're mentally ill or not, just like you would treat anyone else for their various personality quirks. Various left-wing cultures don't have the same LGBT culture America does, and that doesn't make them fake Marxists. I'm just using LGBT as the most obvious example but, you can in fact be a Marxist while still respecting the role of the family ie the state should aim to keep the divorce rate low to promote family units that can better support children. You can be a Marxist while being religious, for example Islamic Communism or Christian Communism.
You can be a Marxist and the only requirement is that you support the concept of a classless society. That's literally it. Everything else can be argued from that, like "women need equality because class and gender are interlinked and providing women with education and rights allows them to better contribute to society" or "trans people have just as much working class potential as anyone else and their needs should be considered by the state just like anyone else."
Actually what I'm realizing is that the framing of all these issues through a moral lens tends to encourage the current political climate. People say Republicans are responsible for America's moral deterioration but the Democrats are just as responsible for framing every issue as a moral imperative. When politics turns into two competing moral frameworks with zero political nuance it becomes impossible to develop your beliefs beyond what currently exists. Democrats can't ever compromise on their beliefs because that would be heckin bigotry and the end of the world for their big tent, and Republicans can't ever compromise on their beliefs because they are united by God to destroy the satanic cult of homosexuality infecting America. It's all so tiring trying to dig into people's brains to find common ground you can develop to achieve a better world but their brain is occupied by nothing but thoughts of their own moral superiority to everyone else.
>>2358761Tell her about China's meteoric rise and development while those Nordic countries have had stagnant economies based on American handouts for 70 years.
>>2358772you're just a faggot pseud that still thinks hating religion is edgy. religion is whatever you make of it. my ideal Marxist state has a state religion based around cute anime girls encouraging you to help your fellow man.
also, you aren't a Communist.
>>2358782reddit atheists like you really do hold this movement so far back, but you're too autistic to understand
hang yourself uyghur
>>2358784reddit theists outright bury the movement
hang yourself muslim christian shitlib pseud
>>2358772be careful with the interpretation of that screenshot. that happened for the various reasons, mainly related to the seditious and counter-revolutionary activities in which the church engaged, because the church had a lot of power under the tzar era (similar to the UK today, btw), thus it was forbidden to engage with activities that could be connected to the church.
also, note that it states "religious ceremonies". if a communist party wanted to pray in the comfort of his room, it wasn't forbidden.
>>2358761Ease into it. Say it's better than American but not your ideal. Socialism is when workers own everything. Nordic countries are so nice compared to USA because workers had more power than normal because of the USSR was giving capitalists outside pressure.
>>2358777>>2358778Norway has a big state owned oil company and uses the revenue to fund various benefits for citizens. Not real socialism but better than most.
The glowies want to make you shoot things up
They purposefully make bad and contradictory posts, the site itself glows with contradictory flags, they post out of context quotes. They want to make you think they're actually arguing that religion is perfectly compatible with Marxist thought and materialism, when in reality their real goal is to get you riled up to shoot up a church, a mosque or a synagogue.
Don't fall for it, its not yet the time to kill religious vermin.
"Religious communism" as a mismatch of words, just as Marx criticized Utopian socialism exist only to provoke and derail. The site is glowing with glowing mods and glowing full time employed users that try to tell you all about "islamic and christian communism", they're trying to get you riled up and go and kill a bunch of muslims and christians to get yourself in jail.
It's not yet the time to exterminate reactionary religious vermin, adventurism doesn't work and they have not set themselves as active reactionaries yet since there is no revolution for them to oppose nor any program for socialization and re-education. When the time comes the ones that need to be executed will be executed, until then wait and watch how liberal glowies cry about "reddit atheism" as if Marx was not an atheist and a critic of religion himself.
One of two things come from this post, either it gets taken down to defend liberal intersectionality idpol or it gets flooded with liberal religious modernizers posing as "communists".
>>2358791Glowie bait
don't fall for it
>>2358251Imagine if burgers would ban double citizens in elected charges and limit foreign money to politics.
In a post United Citizens world more probable is the comunist revolution lol
>>2358820All far right people do is post memes online they never actually go outside and organize of course he fears leftist more as they take real action in real life. There is no organized movements on right that are even anti Israel. Also the small groups on right that oppose Jews and go outside get called feds by everyone on the right
The left are the only side actually fighting against Israel and Jewish power in real material ways. They even attack weapons facilities that are sending weapons to Israel and block them. The worst things people on far right do is post viral tweets or share memes on 4chan, that's it.
He understands that the right isn't a threat to Jewish power.
>>2358756Good on you.
I think some element of Marx’s thought that gets kind of underwritten today is how our labor changes
us. I work with right wingers, I work with an Iranian expat that’s big on the Ayatollah falling, I work with vets, I work with trans people, I work with black and white and Asian people, I work with people of different faiths and sexualities and religions. And let’s take a moment to appreciate the fact that there was once a time where me working with a Muslim could’ve gotten me burned at the stake and then executed, or a white person and black person sitting down and having a meal would’ve gotten the Klan involved. Yet here we are working together and engaging in the same labor, lending each other a hand, socializing with one another.
And I think it’s a deviation from Marxism to say “oh this group and that is hopeless, this one or that is bad” because if you’re in the workplace and having a good relationship with your coworkers, you recognize they’re humans like you with human struggles. Shit the other day I saw this article from this contractor who said he stopped supporting Trump cause the guys he worked with were all undocumented and either were deported themselves or knew someone who was, and while liberals were raking him over the coals for his sins, I was thinking that while this guy made a boneheaded move not realizing that Trump wasn’t gonna just deport the “bad” Hispanics (which are mostly a right wing news trope) he at least recognized the humanity in them and experienced some kind of shame and disappointment. He wasn’t the huge companies calling ICE on their own workers. Laboring with people has a tendency to dissolve differences.
The goal of Marxists then, as you say, should be allowing people to contribute or be a part of the wider movement even if they don’t share the exact social views inasfar as those views don’t become a burden to organizing.
Well then the question seems to be “how do you make a conservative Marxist”, but I think that’s the wrong way to think about it. It’s not turning other people into Marxists, but getting them to accept you. You don’t need them to affirmatively say “I am a Marxist” if anything that interest can wait till later, if ever. An ironic example is that when Kerensky was fleeing the Bolsheviks, he supposedly claimed to see graffiti saying “Down with the Jew Kerensky! Long live Trotsky!” And as absurd as that sounds, it shows that the Russian Revolution reached past seemingly contradictory elements of the masses’ psyches to direct them towards a common goal.
>>2358872>the leftist equivalent of Siege?Marighella's Minimanual of the Urban Guerrilla
>Or The Turner Diaries?The Dispossessed by Le Guin
ADL declares Mamdani supporters OFFICIALLY antisemitic:
In a long, 18 paragraph X thread, the Anti-Defamation League has now declared that supporters of the NYC mayoral candidate Mamdani are officially antisemitic extremists.
https://x.com/ADL/status/1938653025716908541>>2358906They also recently declared Nazism "not an issue" when discussing antisemitism.
For the love of God just call these brazen hypocrites antisemites and Nazis right back in their faces
PLEASE.
>>2358898I think the value that White Nationalists got out of the Turner Diaries is it had some practical advice for how a terror cell in the U.S. would work, right? I thought I heard something like that.
That aside, I once brought up to some folks in the CPUSA that back in the day, generals used to do war gaming to train for real war. Over the years you had those games get more complex on the strategic level, but also a move towards more “individual” soldiers on the other end of the spectrum; which would later lead to Gary Gygax creating D&D. Hypothetically, you could homegrown a TTRPG style game that’s all about organizing a socialist revolution or electoral campaign or what have you. Some people thought it was cool, and it could serve the “edutainment” trait that Turner diaries does for Nazis.
>>2358985>push governments to cease military collaboration with IsraelWhich governments have ceased military collaboration with Israel?
>unseat ziocucks in political electionsWhich ziocucks have been unseated?
>>2358955Terrify the capitalists
Terrify the landlords
Terrify the bankers
Terrify the zionists
Terrify the hindutva
Terrify the scientologists
Terrify the Mormons
>be USA
>can print infinite USD
>used to flex “we have all the leverage”
>now begging China for “mutual respect” and rare earth magnets
>turns out America’s Achilles heel is rare earth magnets
>literally don’t have any
>magnets not just for EVs
>needed for wind turbines, hard drives, smartphones, speakers, headphones, mics
>also in MRIs, hearing aids, industrial machines, maglev trains, power tools, home appliances, car audio, safety systems, toys, gadgets, jewelry
>US Treasury Secretary now “confident” magnets will flow after deal with China
>China just slowed delivery to remind who’s boss
>so much for “all the leverage”
>>2359033>>2359047But the quote itself was inoccuous and said nothing really.
>The X State organizes the nation, but it leaves the individual adequate elbow room. It has curtailed useless or harmful liberties while preserving those which are essential.The quote says nothing. Its a description that would fit any possible kind of state.
>The state lets the people have their freedoms<but not freedoms which are harmful >>2359054>And what are these "useless" and "harmful" liberties exactly?Diddling kids, driving without a license, extortion, fraud, invasion of privacy, stalking, harassment. There is a lot of them, do I really need to write a complete list?
>Who decides them?The people or their representatives?
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