>I want to reduce suffering/increase wellbeing/ utilitarianism
>I want to see humanity progress beyond the current system into something better
>I'm selfish and see collective action as most benefitial to my personal interests
>I want to tear down the current system because thats what real uyghas do
-I'm not fond of an economy entirely centered around monetary exchange.
-I'm not fond of neoliberalism including globalist homogenization and the subsequent grasp that corporations and interest groups have regarding global policymaking
-I believe that shareholder primacy, a natural conclusion of capitalism, has eroded most beauty and charm of both the people, their language, and their artistic/intellectual expression
-I see people in my life entirely submerged by dopaminergic opiates, whether it be ultraprocessed foods, opioids, or short-form content on their phone. I fear of the irreparable mental regression that ensues from these habits for the masses.
-A society in which it's government is centered around capital will naturally conclude to various forms of it's infrastructure being gutted for the sake of shareholder efficiency.
-Our genuine ambitions, our goals and passions have entirely been rendered antiquated for a civilization ever-so curated to appease capital
-War profiteering and the Military industrial complex has lead to so much international displacement that there is little to no cohesion anymore
-Not to mention Planned obsolescence, Cartels, Megacorporations, Liberal economic guilds
We have lost so much directive regarding our purpose in our lives, essentially beings born to appease capital from birth. Technological, scientific, hobbyistic, aesthetic and artistic advancement and collaboration was our true purpose but has been suppressed in a framework entirely centered around markets, corporatocracies, and endless growth.
>>2358882In order to accommodate for the intellectual egoists on any coherent statement in the future, I should add "-because it benefits my ego" at the end of it even at how seemingly redundant it is to the actual discussion at hand, and makes me look like a cool kid who gives zero shits about anything.
Actual fucking stirnist philosophy would not have you using "but is it a spook doe?" to automatically void anything un-relativistic in nature as it was only ever useful for when you use terms that only serve as a repository of what you intangibly 'feel' is beneficial. It's contemporary use is as a memetic brainworm that deconstructs with absolutely zero substance.
>>2358871I visited /leftypol/ daily in the 8ch days, tought stirnerites were kinda dumb but they would fade away in time.
6 fucking years later, you dumbasses are still around kicking, imagine being over 16 and posting stirners.
>>2358802Honestly if you expected something like
>>2358856 or what you yourself posted then I will have to disappoint you
The predominant reason why I want socialism is not even altruism for me anymore. I just really REALLY fucking hate capitalist porkies and I want to hear them scream as they lose their power to rape us all. I want to put seething porkies in society where they can't boss around anyone amd everyone gets high quality public setvices just so I could enjoy their impotent rage at not being treated like royalty anymore
>>2358939>the dudes who unionized to give us the 8 hour worday didn't read shit,Yes they did. you are a liar.
Go back.
>>2358802the literal only convincing argument ive ever heard not to be is from comrade schopenhaur and even though i very much adore his philosophy and take on much of it i still find it very much lacking
the only other one that is midly interesting to humour is
<oh it literally impossible, capital is here to stay and humanity will always be subjegated to it>land, yarvin, fuckin Bertrand Russellwhich honestly just to me boils down to being a new truescots man
>>2358802All of the first 3 I suppose? I do see socialism as humanities only viable option for reducing suffering materially but also a socialist government would be significantly better for my political rights
T. Trans
Just being poor.
>>2359610That has nothing to do with anything, everyone has their own personal motivations for being a socialist. No one is doing it for "le greater good", not even you.
>>2359607If you're not a member of the bourgeoisie (or a rich kid) in one of these countries then you're poor as fuck China is still largely a developing country, that won't change anytime soon
>Capitalism lol
>>2358802A lot of it is nationalism. I see my country in the degraded state it's in, I know it was better and I know what happened to make it good. What happened is that the Communist Party got in power.
There is being poor, of course, but that can move you in any direction. Many poor people end up the most diligent bootlickers.
Sure, there are the feel good motivations you listed, but these are abstract. Nothing comes close to the certain truth that socialism is superior. None of my countrymen would have been alive if it wasn't.
>>2359610It does when at least 80% of the population agrees. About that many people also agree that every person who speaks about "Stalinism" as if that's a bad thing is a retarded liberal. And that liberals should be shot also.
>>2359698Unironically should assholishness be worthy of Mod warning?
I thinkwe should have this discussion because as
>>2360781 said this behaviour is not good for the site
>>2360793this kinda behavior should be:
>>2359735all its missing is a soyjak image.
and also this: >>2360006 tbh sry/not sry >>2360804If anything mods should clean up your shitty
>>>/meta/ whining and off-topic spam.
>>2360793>Unironically should assholishness be worthy of Mod warning?I think so, at least on the discussion boards. I think the general rule of thumb on any forum should be "does this encourage participation or discourage it?" If someone's posting is just making a place unpleasant overall to be in, is quashing discussion instead of encouraging it, and doesn't ultimately lead to anything that makes leftypol worth using, then why tolerate it?
Someone called expecting a modicum of politeness earlier "bourgeois civility" or some shit, but that's not what this is. "Bourgeois civility" is when you enforce the use of genteel tones to control what's talked about and how. A forum though does require some level of
working civility though because this is a collaborative effort, and just being a thoughtless asshole that makes life unpleasant for everyone else degrades that.
>>2360793Awesome, at this rate we're going to have mods banning people for using the R-word. I don't trust mods to even be able to separate what's someone being abrasive for trolling purposes and someone insulting someone else for being wrong, considering the ordinance meant to deter ACPtards from talking endlessly about baristas ended up with people getting banned even for posting Marx.
Funny how the grifters pushing for leftoid unity are the ones restricting the site the most.
>>2361329What do you care? You'll just switch nodes anyway.
All it seems to be coming down to is the socially maladjusted losers that can't live without being shitty on a forum and the posters that are tired of it. So you want to be a shithead and call someone a retard. Then what? You get banned for a day? And that's so terrible you can't deal with that? It doesn't even prevent you from reading the threads.
It just sounds like you're more interested in having a captive audience to be a dickhead to than actually having a functioning forum.
>>2361334>muh netiquetteJesus, this analogy sounds more like projection. Pretty sure we're all adults here or at least I hope so and should be able to handle criticism, even non-constructive.
You can always hide and filter posts too if it bothers you that much. The rules are already quite arbitrary and you want to give even more leeway to moderation?
>>2361347If you're wrong and confident about being wrong then expect to get called an idiot. And this would happen IRL too.
>socially maladjusted losersEven more projection. If you need some niche imageboard to be your replacement for not having friends you're better off actually leaving your mom's basement.
>>2361349If you're an adult then what's your problem with the expectation to act like one? The question was
>should being an asshole merit a warningAnd you're acting like people are calling for gestapo rule of the forum.
>>2361354So to you being an adult is just the license to be a dickhead however and whenever you want, but you can't be a fucking man and deal with being banned from an internet forum when other adults have had enough of you? Yeah, it's definitely everyone else that're the basement dwellers.
>>2360793no, definitely not. idk what the solution is bc i think the change is due to no longer having immediate common enemy due to proximity to 8/pol/ etc. and also just bitterness of us all getting old and almost seeing nothing but defeat, and the fact that what used to be constrained to /pol/ is now all over twitter and considered socially acceptable among many.
but no you cannot make a rule that says people have to be nice to eachother thats a terrible idea and would not work. at the very least it would be beneficial to site culture if people so inclined took initiative to discuss things in good faith and push back against debate addicts & other retards who act like being constantly obnoxious and needlessly combative is good for anything besides a temporary dopamine hit from typing things at a stranger
>>2361914for the record, even if that "worked", making /leftypol/ into an r/communism type fake-friendly echo-chamber and stifle the remaining dynamism and fun of the site. theres already plenty of completely sterile socialist "communities" like that on the internet, /leftypol/ is supposed to be an alternative
im not saying arguing or insulting shouldnt be allowed or even that they should be discouraged. individual posters bickering is one thing, but when threads are consistently killed & discussion completely derailed by completely humorless, self-serious posts that are usually just recycled strawmen and quasi-identitarianism: x is for spoiled westerners, y is lumpen degeneracy, z country has repressed communists before/has a domestic liberal movemrnt so if you want to discuss it in any depth you look like *this*, and this kind of shit gets a ton of reply that are basicslly the equivelant of upvote or downvote
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