Are they earnestly developing socialism, or have they become so compromised that it's really just a future of the people's sweatshops until the US is crushed and the Vietnamese bourgeoisie is properly overthrown and oppressed?
>>2361596Very nice….
but how did you get from:
>proles need to conquer state power in their respective country (dotp)to
>dotp = communism >>2361620So you concede that socialism isn't possible in one country.
I'm so confused why you bothered to bring up texts on dotp.
>>2361623listen carefully. i'm saying that if you really think china is capitalist, that's fine, but you can't really do anything about it unless you live in a country that is
A: Already Socialist
and
B: Stronger than them
WHY? Because…
If you have B without A it's just going to be capitalism vs capitalism
if you have A without B you're just going to lose to counterrevolutionaries
So all this whining about China not being socialist enough, whether true or not, comes from a powerless position. At best it is just whining, at worst you will be helping your capitalist government manufacture consent for war against another government (capitalist or not), which will get proles killed.
Capiche?
>>2361625Proletarian revolution is. But it has to spread rapidly or it will collapse like the USSR did.
>I'm so confused why you bothered to bring up texts on dotp.To add nuance. Not every statement is meant to be in direct contradiction.
>>2361180We had a poster from Vietnam a little while back who had some interesting views on recent events there.
Maybe if they are still lurking they could give their view/opinion.
>>2361660ok let's go by your logic. your ruthless criticism should be intended to inspire action otherwise it is empty whining. if the object of your criticism is china for not being truly socialist, then the audience for your criticism should be the chinese proletariat. you need to learn chinese and talk directly to the chinese proletariat and tell them why the PRC isn't really socialist and why they need another proletarian revolution. talking to other people speaking english on an english speaking forum will not accomplish the goal. if you're talking to people who are from the same part of the world as you, then the object of your ruthless criticism should be the part of the world you're from and the audience should be proles from that part of the world.
>All this "manufacturing consent" shit is just armchair geopolitiKKKal LARP.all this "I'm just doing ruthless criticism of all that exists" shit rings hollow if you don't actually intend there to be action resulting from it.
>>2361662made up shit nobody said award
didn't read the conversation before contributing award
>>2361678>if the object of your criticism is china for not being truly socialist, then the audience for your criticism should be the chinese proletariat. you need to learn chinese and talk directly to the chinese proletariat and tell them why the PRC isn't really socialist and why they need another proletarian revolution. Most of my criticism towards Dengoid China comes from Chinese communists not happy with the CPC's reviZionism.
>if you don't actually intend there to be action resulting from itI take it then that you're an expert at organizing then and you're weeks away from a Dengoid-Ziggerist with r/TheDeprogram characteristics in the Imperial core?
>>2361596>were fully expected by Marx and Engelsuyghas died before the Russian Revolution. They were guessing, what relevance does that have?
Not even disagreeing with them.
>>2361791don't jump in on my behalf and make him more confused
>>2361787where did "I deep throat dengoid cock?" point to a single post. it either isn't my post or you didn't understand it correctly and need clarification. there is rule 11 btw.
>>2361632Were both sitting on obscure image boards talking about communism, the US doesn’t need any of our help or posts to get consent to greenlight an invasion of China, nor does the CPC or any Chinese proletariat care if you or I or anyone else “empowers” them or considers them socialist or not. Neither of us can actually wield power behind our words and we’re just discussing on the internet.
This is a lazy, tired take.
>>2361845ok china isn't socialist and is capitalist revisionist …
what do you want to do about it in real life?>>2361856>heheh ur DENGISTpoint to where I said anything pro deng or even pro china.
>>2361861We’re talking on an image board, this isn’t a real response. None of us are doing anything about it in real life, you can only go organize in your local communities and get sharper on theory.
I’m not getting into some weird debate addict bit with you where you want receipts on which one of us is actually not an armchair general over if I think Vietnam or China is revisionist or not (they are)
Good night comrade, find someone else to spar with
>>2361213It makes them mad because their communism starts and ends with complaining about shit not being perfect.
It's got to be pure.
Are there civil liberties for the fascists? The passion some of our liberals feel for the enemies of the world is infinite.
Article 2
1. The State of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam is a socialist state ruled by law and of the People, by the People and for the People.
2. The Socialist Republic of Vietnam is the country where the People are the masters; all the state power belongs to the People and is based on the alliance of the working class, the peasantry and the intelligentsia.
https://tapchicongsan.org.vn/web/english/focus/detail/-/asset_publisher/FMhwM2oQCZEZ/content/the-13th-national-party-congress-resolutionVietnam is socialist. Latest Party Congress say they are socialist and will continue to become more socialist.
>>2361180The discourse surrounding Vietnam here is quite
interesting, especially after China and Vietnam signed the joint statement almost 2 years ago. It's looking more and more like Vietnam isn't going to be the Ukraine of Asia after all. Wonder how long before the GFVN and FULRO is taken out of cryo-stasis under Langley and we're all told them in the name of True Socialism.
>>2362149Asking people what they want to do IRL does not mean I believe words on imageboards matter. In fact it is evdience to the contrary.
>cryinganyone can make this characterization about any post. it is so lazy. actually you're the one crying and I am just stoically stating facts. (See how easy it is to stoop to this kind of rhetoric?)
>And saying you’re aiding in manufacturing consent for US invasion of ChinaNot precisely what I said. Let's revisit the full sentence in its context:
>>2361632>At best it is just whining, at worst you will be helping your capitalist government manufacture consent for warSo I am saying when people come here and say "self-described AES nations aren't really socialist" I am saying that they are whining. But if they do it in real life with a prominent platform they are manufacturing consent. So I already had built into the statement the criticism that came afterwards:
>>2361856>This would be valid if any of us went on somewhere like CNN or NYT or MSNBC, etc. not fucking leftypol lmaoThe person who said this thought I hadn't already considered that because of their uncareful reading.
and recall that I was trying to generalize this point to OP's question and wasn't even talking about china specifically. it was the misinterpreters of my initial post here
>>2361213 who made it about china and dengism without reading even though that subject was not even mentioned. Then they had the nerve to say zigger go die in a trench for putin even though that was not brought up either. There is a consistent overreactive anticipation on the part of my responders ITT: They're expecting a certain type of person to show up, and that type of person does exist but I am not them. I am making a significantly more nuanced points that has already included the critiques that my responders subsequently made without reading. Meanwhile my responders are responding to things I never said expecting I will say them when I have already said things to the contrary. Then they have the nerve to call me a debate addict while trying to perform epic owns of a position I don't have for an audience that isn't watching.
>>2362544Lel I remember when leftcoms were claiming that China was doing imperialism against Vietnamese rocks in the South China Sea just a couple of months ago.
Now Vietnam is suddenly twice as bad as China KEK
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