Is the fact that the Scandinavian countries have some of the strictest immigration laws in the world a form of social murder?
I’m autistic, queer and chronically ill. I currently live in America and am petrified of being a victim of eugenics. The Trump administration has made it clear they do not want me or any of my other autistic comrades to exist. RFK will soon move forward in finding a way to eradicate autistics. Same thing with queer people. The big bill that was just passed also cuts Medicare, which is crucial to my survival.
Since I’m unable to work a real job or be politically active in the streets due to my autistic and disabled identities my best option would be taking refuge in one of the Scandinavian countries. I’m particularly drawn to Iceland and Finland. All Scandinavian countries have some of the best healthcare in the world. They have the best benefits and aid for disabled and chronically ill people in the world. Very mutual aid-based cultures. And they’re basically autistic utopias since Scandinavians don’t do small talk, are very quiet and reserved, and don’t look people in the eye when they talk. Their languages are also very direct and much less ambiguous. They’re also very solitary people. I know society is what disabled me so if I could move to a Scandinavian country my disabilities would no longer be a problem and I’d be free.
But Scandinavian countries have some the the tightest immigration restrictions in the world. They don’t allow refugees fleeing from wars in so of course they won’t allow autistic comrades fleeing eugenics in. I’m fucking livid about it. Moving to Iceland, Finland or any other Scandinavian country is my only hope and the only hope of millions of other autistics in America. We are literally on the verge of being exterminated and yet we still can’t take refuge in the only countries that can save us.
So does this count as social murder, as Engels says?
56 posts and 3 image replies omitted.>>2367728It's a social-pragmatic language disorder.
t. boyfriend works with autistic children
>>2367737>because the latter is mentally retarded as an additional condition that isn't the autism itself.Autism is the largest cause of intellectual disability.
If ID has nothing to do with autism, what causes it then? Nutrient deficiency? Brain damage at birth?
>>2367726You can't just show up in Finland or Sweden and demand they give you healthcare and disability benefits. You have to go through the lengthy immigration process and they can deny you for any reason.
The only way to successfully migrate to either is to already be an EU citizen with the Schengen Area and all that.
Norwegian here, our tightly controlled borders protects the integrity of the welfare state and defend working-class gains from global capitalist exploitation. Norway’s strong labor protections, universal healthcare, and generous social programs were won through decades of struggle and depend on high levels of social trust, economic contribution, and democratic control. Moreover, when the state is forced to stretch limited public resources without corresponding increases in revenue or infrastructure, the working class—both native and immigrant—suffers most.
Norway’s culture, identity, and social cohesion are rooted in its shared history, language, and traditions, which are threatened by large-scale immigration. Rapid demographic change can erode national unity, strain public institutions, and lead to cultural fragmentation. To preserve Norway’s way of life, values, and social harmony, immigration must be strictly limited, prioritizing those who share or can easily integrate into the country’s cultural fabric.
>>2367759>The claim that "autism causes mental retardation" must mean that everyone with autism is mentally retarded.Fallacious. "Smoking causes cancer, but not all smokers develop cancer, therefore smoking doesn't cause cancer at all."
So what causes intellectual disability in high needs autistics if it's not the autism itself? Show me some evidence.
>>2367728>Autism isn't a learning disability.It's a language disability. Learning a new language as a grown adult is almost impossible for an autistic person, which OP will have to do if they ever plan on moving to Finland since you need knowledge of Finnish to get permanent residency.
>>2367723>given they would be seen as a "drain" on their countries' economies given their autism and numerous health issues.Oh it's worse than that. They won't let you in if you tell them you're disabled and looking to migrate for gibsmedat. Social democracies have hella strict immigration rules for exactly this reason: they don't want to share with foreigners.
>>2367768>"Smoking causes cancer, but not all smokers develop cancer, therefore smoking doesn't cause cancer at all.""Cause" means that something necessarily follows from another. If something causes something else it happens 100% of the time. That people say "smoking causes cancer" is just a lazy approximation, as people generally do in language. It's rather that smoking is
likely to cause cancer in tandem with other factors that will bring the cancer about.
>So what causes intellectual disability in high needs autistics if it's not the autism itself? Show me some evidence.You are the one making a positive claim so the burden of proof rests on you.
>>2367778>You are the one making a positive claim so the burden of proof rests on you.This is a cope. I would rather trust the evidence which shows a link between autism and intellectual disability. 27% of autistic people are intellectually disabled and require a lifetime of special care. That's a hard statistic.
>It's rather that smoking is likely to cause cancer in tandem with other factors that will bring the cancer about.Okay so autism is LIKELY to cause intellectual disability. Which it does in 25-27% of cases.
>>2367780>This is a cope.It's a scientific standard.
>I would rather trust the evidence which shows a link between autism and intellectual disability. 27% of autistic people are intellectually disabled and require a lifetime of special care. That's a hard statistic.You have no evidence that autism causes mental retardation, you have your personal interpretation of the statistic data that doesn't mean what you think it does. For now, there is only a correlation.
>Okay so autism is LIKELY to cause intellectual disability.Yet again, the burden of proof is on you to show it.
>>2366681> Is the fact that the Scandinavian countries have some of the strictest immigration laws in the world a form of social murder?Yes, so long as Capital is free to move across the globe the enforcement of borders against proletarians serves no other purpose than maintaining the global arbitrage of labor and the social murder associated with poverty
Don’t even need to read the rest tbh, I know this is all a reactionary meme but proletarians owe absolutely nothing to the capitalist national states that dominate the world, they absolutely should take advantage of their welfare systems and engage in mass protests and other destabilizing maneuvers against the class dictatorship of the bourgeoisie
The nation and the volk only exist to latch the shackles on the necks of the proletarians
>>2366681>I’m autistic, queer and chronically ill. I currently live in America and am petrified of being a victim of eugenics. The Trump administration has made it clear they do not want me or any of my other autistic comrades to exist. RFK will soon move forward in finding a way to eradicate autistics. Same thing with queer people. The big bill that was just passed also cuts Medicare, which is crucial to my survival.How old are you? Are you still on your parents' insurance? Is the ACA how you afford healthcare?
Do you live in a city? Because rural areas are going to be the most fucked by the Big Beautiful Bill. American hospitals are notoriously understaffed already and this bill will only make it worse given the massive Medicaid cuts.
Also, are you white? You sound white. I have never seen a person of colour insist on leaving the US and migrating to Europe because they don't like the current president.
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