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Is the fact that the Scandinavian countries have some of the strictest immigration laws in the world a form of social murder?

I’m autistic, queer and chronically ill. I currently live in America and am petrified of being a victim of eugenics. The Trump administration has made it clear they do not want me or any of my other autistic comrades to exist. RFK will soon move forward in finding a way to eradicate autistics. Same thing with queer people. The big bill that was just passed also cuts Medicare, which is crucial to my survival.

Since I’m unable to work a real job or be politically active in the streets due to my autistic and disabled identities my best option would be taking refuge in one of the Scandinavian countries. I’m particularly drawn to Iceland and Finland. All Scandinavian countries have some of the best healthcare in the world. They have the best benefits and aid for disabled and chronically ill people in the world. Very mutual aid-based cultures. And they’re basically autistic utopias since Scandinavians don’t do small talk, are very quiet and reserved, and don’t look people in the eye when they talk. Their languages are also very direct and much less ambiguous. They’re also very solitary people. I know society is what disabled me so if I could move to a Scandinavian country my disabilities would no longer be a problem and I’d be free.

But Scandinavian countries have some the the tightest immigration restrictions in the world. They don’t allow refugees fleeing from wars in so of course they won’t allow autistic comrades fleeing eugenics in. I’m fucking livid about it. Moving to Iceland, Finland or any other Scandinavian country is my only hope and the only hope of millions of other autistics in America. We are literally on the verge of being exterminated and yet we still can’t take refuge in the only countries that can save us.

So does this count as social murder, as Engels says?
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>>2367671
>(even more so if you're autistic)
Autism isn't a learning disability.

>>2367659
Because the Trump administration is already here and moving forward with their plan for autistic people.

>>2367728
Why don't you google that.
>Autism isn't a learning disability.

>>2367730
It factually isn't. It's a neurodevelopmental disorder that causes problems like sensory sensitivity, overload for executive function and their distinct internal world makes it harder for them to understand allistic social dynamics, but they are not diminished in their ability to learn things. Don't tell me to Google something when I'm more educated on the subject than you.

>>2367732
Google will tell you that the average autistic has a sub 100 autism score

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>>2367734
A learning disability doesn't start when you have less than 100 I.Q. points. With that reasoning the vast majority of the planet would have a learning disability according to you. The I.Q. distribution of autistic people is characterized by two bell curves. One section of people with autism has above average intelligence and then another section has below average intelligence, because the latter is mentally retarded as an additional condition that isn't the autism itself.

>>2367728
It's a social-pragmatic language disorder.

t. boyfriend works with autistic children

>>2367737
>because the latter is mentally retarded as an additional condition that isn't the autism itself.

Autism is the largest cause of intellectual disability.

If ID has nothing to do with autism, what causes it then? Nutrient deficiency? Brain damage at birth?

>>2367740
>Autism is the largest cause of intellectual disability.
If autism were the cause then it would apply to all of them and not a part.

>>2367746
Not all autism is the same. It's called a SPECTRUM for a reason.

>>2367726
You can't just show up in Finland or Sweden and demand they give you healthcare and disability benefits. You have to go through the lengthy immigration process and they can deny you for any reason.

The only way to successfully migrate to either is to already be an EU citizen with the Schengen Area and all that.

>>2367737
>, because the latter is mentally retarded as an additional condition that isn't the autism itself.
>if you are retarded and autistic it doesn't count.

>>2367749
You're backpaddeling here, because your point revolved around autistic people in general being mentally retarded, while I stated from the get go that there is an in-group variance with distinctions. The claim that "autism causes mental retardation" must mean that everyone with autism is mentally retarded.

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Norwegian here, our tightly controlled borders protects the integrity of the welfare state and defend working-class gains from global capitalist exploitation. Norway’s strong labor protections, universal healthcare, and generous social programs were won through decades of struggle and depend on high levels of social trust, economic contribution, and democratic control. Moreover, when the state is forced to stretch limited public resources without corresponding increases in revenue or infrastructure, the working class—both native and immigrant—suffers most.

Norway’s culture, identity, and social cohesion are rooted in its shared history, language, and traditions, which are threatened by large-scale immigration. Rapid demographic change can erode national unity, strain public institutions, and lead to cultural fragmentation. To preserve Norway’s way of life, values, and social harmony, immigration must be strictly limited, prioritizing those who share or can easily integrate into the country’s cultural fabric.

>>2367763
That's cool. Why don't you let in the autismos of the world? They will fit right in.

Despite its reputation, Norway’s immigration system is not as tight as it should be to fully protect national interests and cultural cohesion. Loopholes in asylum and family reunification policies, combined with EU and Schengen obligations, allow for continued inflows that strain housing, education, and healthcare systems—especially in urban areas. Integration outcomes remain uneven, with growing concerns over parallel societies and declining trust in public institutions. For those who believe in strong borders, Norway’s current policies fall short of ensuring long-term stability and cultural preservation.

Rødt seeks to fix this.

>>2367765
You are an LLM.

>>2367759
>The claim that "autism causes mental retardation" must mean that everyone with autism is mentally retarded.

Fallacious. "Smoking causes cancer, but not all smokers develop cancer, therefore smoking doesn't cause cancer at all."

So what causes intellectual disability in high needs autistics if it's not the autism itself? Show me some evidence.

>Is all the world robots and retards.
>Is all the world robots and retards.
>Is all the world robots and retards.
>Is all the world robots and retards.

>>2367728
>Autism isn't a learning disability.
It's a language disability. Learning a new language as a grown adult is almost impossible for an autistic person, which OP will have to do if they ever plan on moving to Finland since you need knowledge of Finnish to get permanent residency.

>>2367723
>given they would be seen as a "drain" on their countries' economies given their autism and numerous health issues.
Oh it's worse than that. They won't let you in if you tell them you're disabled and looking to migrate for gibsmedat. Social democracies have hella strict immigration rules for exactly this reason: they don't want to share with foreigners.

>>2367768
>"Smoking causes cancer, but not all smokers develop cancer, therefore smoking doesn't cause cancer at all."
"Cause" means that something necessarily follows from another. If something causes something else it happens 100% of the time. That people say "smoking causes cancer" is just a lazy approximation, as people generally do in language. It's rather that smoking is likely to cause cancer in tandem with other factors that will bring the cancer about.

>So what causes intellectual disability in high needs autistics if it's not the autism itself? Show me some evidence.

You are the one making a positive claim so the burden of proof rests on you.

>>2367778
>You are the one making a positive claim so the burden of proof rests on you.
This is a cope. I would rather trust the evidence which shows a link between autism and intellectual disability. 27% of autistic people are intellectually disabled and require a lifetime of special care. That's a hard statistic.

>It's rather that smoking is likely to cause cancer in tandem with other factors that will bring the cancer about.

Okay so autism is LIKELY to cause intellectual disability. Which it does in 25-27% of cases.

>>2367780
>This is a cope.
It's a scientific standard.

>I would rather trust the evidence which shows a link between autism and intellectual disability. 27% of autistic people are intellectually disabled and require a lifetime of special care. That's a hard statistic.

You have no evidence that autism causes mental retardation, you have your personal interpretation of the statistic data that doesn't mean what you think it does. For now, there is only a correlation.

>Okay so autism is LIKELY to cause intellectual disability.

Yet again, the burden of proof is on you to show it.

masterfully crafted bait, I salute you fellow redditeur

>>2367657
A state isn't a house. And Scandinavia can accommodate a lot of people provided proper resource distribution, which has as of yet not been scientifically considered in in-kind economic terms by Europe. This isn't to mention all the things the EU and its sphere does to fuck over all the countries mass-migration has started from. See Palestine, Yemen and Syria for contemporary examples. It's not a stretch to say that the simple reason for the migrant crisis has been sparked by the endless rampage on the MENA region committed by NATO, and the unwillingness to accommodate the people who were displaced by economic and military violence displayed by EU member states is an abdication of moral duty and a legacy of racism.

>>2367665
>what about this racist made up nonsense zizek once said?
fuck off

>>2367804
I wasn't talking about the actual refugee crises at all. I was saying OP is an entitled shit if he thinks he can barge into any one of the Scandinavian countries as an American and demand resources. Actual refugees and immigrants go through a process before they're able to get those benefits. And in order to claim asylum you have to have actual proof you're in desperate need of it, e.g. fleeing an actual genocide or war. You can't just say "Trump and RFK scare me, let me in and give me disability benefits". That's not how it legally works.

>>2366681
>I’m particularly drawn to Iceland and Finland.
You also have money and employer? Without those you are not even going to get a visa to stay. Language is also nowadays mandatory requirement. Also you are not going to get any social benefits as long as you only have normal tourist visa.

>>2367817
Pretty sure OP is stupid enough to think Finland or wherever will grant him asylum. He thinks he can LARP as a refugee and get away with it. Meanwhile, actual refugees take years to get vetted.

>>2367804
>by EU member states is an abdication of moral duty and a legacy of racism.
Okay but what moral duty does an EU country have to take in an autistic American who simply wants more disability gibs?

>>2366681
Diagnosed Spergs aren’t allowed to migrate.

>>2367812
>>2367824
Just checked the op again. My bad, continue bashing the burgerfat

>>2367824
Other than being annoying nothing, the point is that the USA is also practising social murder, I'm sure OP could contribute to society somehow since they can type multiple paragraphs

>>2366681
> Is the fact that the Scandinavian countries have some of the strictest immigration laws in the world a form of social murder?
Yes, so long as Capital is free to move across the globe the enforcement of borders against proletarians serves no other purpose than maintaining the global arbitrage of labor and the social murder associated with poverty

Don’t even need to read the rest tbh, I know this is all a reactionary meme but proletarians owe absolutely nothing to the capitalist national states that dominate the world, they absolutely should take advantage of their welfare systems and engage in mass protests and other destabilizing maneuvers against the class dictatorship of the bourgeoisie

The nation and the volk only exist to latch the shackles on the necks of the proletarians

>>2367817
OP said he’s autistic and can’t work and needs Scandinavian healthcare to survive.

>>2366681
Why can’t you link up with a mutual aid group in America before engaging in destination addiction?

>>2368513
Mutual aid means giving.

>>2368530
It also means taking.

>>2368553
If everyone gjves and takes then noone really took or gave anything

>>2368530
>mutual aid
Also known as "family"

>>2366744
I would apply for asylum on the basis I’m escaping an autistic genocide. If they refuse to give me refuge they will have committed social murder against me and all other autistic folks.

>>2367229
How am I entitled? Because I fear for my life under the genocidal and eugenicist Trump administration?

>>2368736
Yes. And?

>>2368738
All autistic people deserve to seek refuge in nations where we are perfectly accommodated. The fact these countries have extremely strict immigration laws is social murder and very evil.

>>2368782
You with be “perfectly accommodated” in any of these countries. You will have to deal with the insufferable cost of living. Even if you’re granted asylum on some bullshit eugenics claim, the governments of these countries don’t give refugees free housing and free food. Wait lists for housing in several Swedish cities go for ten years. You will be dumpster diving and couch surfing your full time there.

>>2368782
All proletarians deserve the right to go wherever they desire

>>2367617
Autistic people are entitled to things all other workers are entitled to. They’re not entitled to more just because they have an autism diagnosis. If you’re homeless you’re entitled to a home, not a landed estate.

>>2369077
What if I need a landed estate for my sensory issues and as reparations for eugenics? /s

>>2366681
>>2366691
QRD on “social murder”?

>>2366681
>I’m autistic, queer and chronically ill. I currently live in America and am petrified of being a victim of eugenics. The Trump administration has made it clear they do not want me or any of my other autistic comrades to exist. RFK will soon move forward in finding a way to eradicate autistics. Same thing with queer people. The big bill that was just passed also cuts Medicare, which is crucial to my survival.

How old are you? Are you still on your parents' insurance? Is the ACA how you afford healthcare?

Do you live in a city? Because rural areas are going to be the most fucked by the Big Beautiful Bill. American hospitals are notoriously understaffed already and this bill will only make it worse given the massive Medicaid cuts.

Also, are you white? You sound white. I have never seen a person of colour insist on leaving the US and migrating to Europe because they don't like the current president.


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