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Not reporting is bourgeois


 

Is the fact that the Scandinavian countries have some of the strictest immigration laws in the world a form of social murder?

I’m autistic, queer and chronically ill. I currently live in America and am petrified of being a victim of eugenics. The Trump administration has made it clear they do not want me or any of my other autistic comrades to exist. RFK will soon move forward in finding a way to eradicate autistics. Same thing with queer people. The big bill that was just passed also cuts Medicare, which is crucial to my survival.

Since I’m unable to work a real job or be politically active in the streets due to my autistic and disabled identities my best option would be taking refuge in one of the Scandinavian countries. I’m particularly drawn to Iceland and Finland. All Scandinavian countries have some of the best healthcare in the world. They have the best benefits and aid for disabled and chronically ill people in the world. Very mutual aid-based cultures. And they’re basically autistic utopias since Scandinavians don’t do small talk, are very quiet and reserved, and don’t look people in the eye when they talk. Their languages are also very direct and much less ambiguous. They’re also very solitary people. I know society is what disabled me so if I could move to a Scandinavian country my disabilities would no longer be a problem and I’d be free.

But Scandinavian countries have some the the tightest immigration restrictions in the world. They don’t allow refugees fleeing from wars in so of course they won’t allow autistic comrades fleeing eugenics in. I’m fucking livid about it. Moving to Iceland, Finland or any other Scandinavian country is my only hope and the only hope of millions of other autistics in America. We are literally on the verge of being exterminated and yet we still can’t take refuge in the only countries that can save us.

So does this count as social murder, as Engels says?

>>2366681
i mean you can extend it to that point (for whatever reason you want to) but it was already social murder when medicare was cut and i dunno if this is a genuine question or a high level troll to get us to say that border control is social murder

>>2366681
I'm sorry but your post is very lol. You are saying you want to move to a Scandinavian country for the sole purpose of living off disability? What do you think would happen if they had lax immigration rules?

>>2366695
Not just disability benefits but a culture that accommodates me fully. Autism isn’t considered a deficit in Scandinavia because Scandinavian culture is largely autistic in essence.

>>2366704
>cultural essentialism
marx weeps

China also has closed borders. In fact, it’s almost impossible for foreigners to migrate to China. Is that “social murder” too?

>>2366681
you do realise these countries cannot take in millions of people, right?

you do realise these countries are not magically 'awesome to live in', they have a social system which requires people to work for it, right?

'verge of being exterminated'
stop swallowing scaremongering propaganda, you'll be fine

>>2366738
OP does not want to go to asiatic Zhongguo. OP wants to go to Aryan Socialist Paradise, Scandinavia

>>2366746
trvke nvkem

>>2366681
come to Mauritius

dafuq? if the situation is so dire then just flee to a third world country, even if youre a giga autist people will just chalk it up to you being a foreigner

>>2366681
>autistic and disabled identities
how is this an identity?

>>2366757
not OP but keep talking anon. I want to know more about your Island Nation

>>2366744
you do realise this is bait, right?

>>2366987
you can't tell nowadays
specially with amerikkkan 'leftists'

>>2366933
you can get citizenship if you buy a property (or 'invest') of like 500,000USD here
we have a flat tax of 15% for everyone and everything

so if you are a rich crackka and you want to be a beach bum, hit me up

With a palestine flag. Very clever. This is now the same mf who has posted the trans copypasta cause he became bored of this thread.

>>2366838
It’s a different way of experiencing the world, like queerness or blackness.

>>2367198
speak your truth, queen

>>2367198
I’m deaf in one ear. I need earring aids which are a pain in the ass. I would like very much to not have to use earring aids and to have earring restored to one of my ears, thank you very much.

>>2366681
Bro, you can’t just barge into another country and leech off their services. The amount of entitlement in your post is through the roof.

>>2367229
Not OP, but you do realize autistic masking is deadly for us, right? Masking is what Marx would label as invisible labour. Getting asylum in a country where you don’t have to mask would be a life saving improvement and no different from Mexicans or Salvadorans coming to the US for a better quality of life.

>>2367256
That still doesn’t justify demanding the right to suck off resources from a country you have no connection to. FFS you sound like a fucking Zio who wants to create an autistic Israel in Finland.

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are dogs bourgeois?

>>2367312
dogs are good boys

>>2367304
>autistic Israel in Finland
you have a way with words, incredible

>>2367312
Yes, they are carnivorous, meaning they eat (exploit) other animals' (proletarians') meat (surplus value).

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>>2367312
t modern day dog culture is reactionary and they are used to defend private property, and used by the police state.

Why is it dog owners always come into a butcher shop and demand free bones? I never see cat owners do this

>>2367256
>muh masking
Who cares?

>invisible labour

Prove it.

Why do autists feel like they’re entitled to things neurotypicals aren’t entitled to?

>>2367383
If you are so neurotypical why can't you realise this is bait?

>>2367388
It’s clearly bait. I’m saying this isn’t the first time I’ve seen someone use autism as an excuse to get what they want no strings attached.

>>2367383
Siege thinking, Manichaean worldview, rigid thinking, believe they can’t be wrong about anything, feel the need to be in control all the time.

>>2366681
>Is the fact that the Scandinavian countries have some of the strictest immigration laws in the world a form of social murder?

This is actually quite an interesting way of putting it. I guess the question becomes whether or not countries that can provide a refuge to oppressed peoples fleeing persecution should be obligated to open their doors and share their resources.

>>2367422
they are not obligated

>>2367448
Why not?

>>2367304
>That still doesn’t justify demanding the right to suck off resources from a country you have no connection to.
Nta, but spooks
>FFS you sound like a fucking Zio who wants to create an autistic Israel in Finland.
Every western country is funtionally an Israel in a global and historical context, Israel is just late to the game. Denying this is either out of bias or ignorance.

You have my full sympathies but neither Iceland nor Finland is part of Scandinavia and do you have any sources for
>All Scandinavian countries have some of the best healthcare in the world
?

I only have anecdotal evidence but from what I've heard from people who have experienced in Sw*distan an abroad, our healthcare fucking sucks. And all sorts of welfare have been slowly and methodically gutted during 3-4 decades of neoliberal austerity; there's no easy gibs to get here anymore. You will have to run a bureaucratic gauntlet and then maybe you'll get some scraps, typically continually tested.

Anyway, interesting question. Yes, it's absolutely social murder. Perhaps even social genocide?

>>2366681
Everytime people claim leftypol is 'left-wing' just put them to the litmust test with the eugenics question and you'll instantly get all of the disgusting freaks crawling out of the woodworks to prove you wrong in a heartbeat. Look at the attitudes and sentiments in this thread, 'leeching resources' lmfao as if they're Malthusians and as if the purpose of communism isn't the recognition of post-scarcity, as if the basic amenities required to survive aren't overflowing in available abundance.
REMINDER: OVERPOPULATION IS A EUGENICIST, REACTIONARY MYTH AND SUCH A MISANTHROPIC SENTIMENT IS ANATHEMA TO THE HUMANISTIC KERNEL OF MARXISM.

>>2367383
All people should be entitled to the basic standards of life. This is leftism 101, retard.

Sorry but ableism will be gone only in the far future communism

>>2366704
Lmao, that's american projection if I ever seen it

>muh leftypol
Leftypol fetishism

>So does this count as social murder, as Engels says?
Yes

Just dont mask bro. There are thousands of homeless and poor people. You will joint them


>>2367632
Some populations will have it hard bro. Your only hope is solidarity of other workers, but you cant force it by yourself. You are weak alone and isolated. You will just have to accept death

>>2367616
It's less about "muh limited resources" and more about the entitlement Americans have, that they can simply emigrate to any country they want without barriers.

It's like showing up at someone's house uninvited, demanding that they give you all the food in their fridge, and when they get angry you say "BUT I'M AN AMERICAN, THIS IS ALL RIGHTFULLY MINE" to shut them up.

>>2367616
>>2367617
So why not fight for free healthcare and better disability welfare in America instead of fleeing and demanding Finland provide that stuff for you?

>>2366681
>Is the fact that the Scandinavian countries have some of the strictest immigration laws in the world a form of social murder?
Depends on how you look at it.

Every single social democracy has to prioritize its own citizens first and foremost. Can I move to Mexico and demand free tequila for the rest of my life? Are rich/imperialist countries obligated to take in anyone who is suffering and wants to put their hand in said country's cookie jar of abundant resources? What about the fact that those nations only have an abundance of resources like healthcare because they leech off the labour of Third World labourers? After all, aren't the biggest corporations in Scandinavia oil companies like Maersk?

Zizek actually made a good point when talking about the Syrian refugee crisis: Syrian refugees would enter the Schengen Area through Greece, there was no war in Greece yet the Syrian refugees didn't want to stay in Greece, they all wanted to go to Norway and demanded the aid agencies take them there. Yet, there were plenty of Greeks who wished they could have moved to Norway. And once in Norway, the Syrians realize the "Norway" they envisioned and romancitised doesn't even exist in Norway anymore, due to years of austerity measures.

The point Zizek was making is that many migrants and refugees who flood into the West have bought into the illusion of the West's wealth. They think the streets are paved with gold so to say, when the streets of Paris and London are actually paved with shit. It seems like you, OP, are buying into the same propaganda. You and your fellow Aspies will arrive in Helsinki only to realize Finnish culture isn't anything what you envisioned and no one is going to show you sympathy or throw you a bone.

>>2366681
If you want to move to Finland, you will be required to speak the Finnish language, which is ridiculously hard to learn (even more so if you're autistic). You will probably spend years in limbo like most other immigrants and in that time you won't be entitled to most of the benefits you desire.

>>2366681
Pretty sure the Nordic countries are prioritizing Palestinian and Sudanese refugees who are actually fleeing for their lives rather than spoiled brat Americans who just want a larger slice of pie.

>>2366681
Good luck finding affordable housing in Scandinavia.

>>2367616
Assuming OP isn't a troll, there's no way the Swedish or Finnish governments would allow them to come in, given they would be seen as a "drain" on their countries' economies given their autism and numerous health issues.

>Scandinavian countries have some of the strictest immigration laws
They don't

>>2367723
Does it if the faggot is or not? You already know he is a troll anyways,

>>2367671
>(even more so if you're autistic)
Autism isn't a learning disability.

>>2367659
Because the Trump administration is already here and moving forward with their plan for autistic people.

>>2367728
Why don't you google that.
>Autism isn't a learning disability.

>>2367730
It factually isn't. It's a neurodevelopmental disorder that causes problems like sensory sensitivity, overload for executive function and their distinct internal world makes it harder for them to understand allistic social dynamics, but they are not diminished in their ability to learn things. Don't tell me to Google something when I'm more educated on the subject than you.

>>2367732
Google will tell you that the average autistic has a sub 100 autism score

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>>2367734
A learning disability doesn't start when you have less than 100 I.Q. points. With that reasoning the vast majority of the planet would have a learning disability according to you. The I.Q. distribution of autistic people is characterized by two bell curves. One section of people with autism has above average intelligence and then another section has below average intelligence, because the latter is mentally retarded as an additional condition that isn't the autism itself.

>>2367728
It's a social-pragmatic language disorder.

t. boyfriend works with autistic children

>>2367737
>because the latter is mentally retarded as an additional condition that isn't the autism itself.

Autism is the largest cause of intellectual disability.

If ID has nothing to do with autism, what causes it then? Nutrient deficiency? Brain damage at birth?

>>2367740
>Autism is the largest cause of intellectual disability.
If autism were the cause then it would apply to all of them and not a part.

>>2367746
Not all autism is the same. It's called a SPECTRUM for a reason.

>>2367726
You can't just show up in Finland or Sweden and demand they give you healthcare and disability benefits. You have to go through the lengthy immigration process and they can deny you for any reason.

The only way to successfully migrate to either is to already be an EU citizen with the Schengen Area and all that.

>>2367737
>, because the latter is mentally retarded as an additional condition that isn't the autism itself.
>if you are retarded and autistic it doesn't count.

>>2367749
You're backpaddeling here, because your point revolved around autistic people in general being mentally retarded, while I stated from the get go that there is an in-group variance with distinctions. The claim that "autism causes mental retardation" must mean that everyone with autism is mentally retarded.

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Norwegian here, our tightly controlled borders protects the integrity of the welfare state and defend working-class gains from global capitalist exploitation. Norway’s strong labor protections, universal healthcare, and generous social programs were won through decades of struggle and depend on high levels of social trust, economic contribution, and democratic control. Moreover, when the state is forced to stretch limited public resources without corresponding increases in revenue or infrastructure, the working class—both native and immigrant—suffers most.

Norway’s culture, identity, and social cohesion are rooted in its shared history, language, and traditions, which are threatened by large-scale immigration. Rapid demographic change can erode national unity, strain public institutions, and lead to cultural fragmentation. To preserve Norway’s way of life, values, and social harmony, immigration must be strictly limited, prioritizing those who share or can easily integrate into the country’s cultural fabric.

>>2367763
That's cool. Why don't you let in the autismos of the world? They will fit right in.

Despite its reputation, Norway’s immigration system is not as tight as it should be to fully protect national interests and cultural cohesion. Loopholes in asylum and family reunification policies, combined with EU and Schengen obligations, allow for continued inflows that strain housing, education, and healthcare systems—especially in urban areas. Integration outcomes remain uneven, with growing concerns over parallel societies and declining trust in public institutions. For those who believe in strong borders, Norway’s current policies fall short of ensuring long-term stability and cultural preservation.

Rødt seeks to fix this.

>>2367765
You are an LLM.

>>2367759
>The claim that "autism causes mental retardation" must mean that everyone with autism is mentally retarded.

Fallacious. "Smoking causes cancer, but not all smokers develop cancer, therefore smoking doesn't cause cancer at all."

So what causes intellectual disability in high needs autistics if it's not the autism itself? Show me some evidence.

>Is all the world robots and retards.
>Is all the world robots and retards.
>Is all the world robots and retards.
>Is all the world robots and retards.

>>2367728
>Autism isn't a learning disability.
It's a language disability. Learning a new language as a grown adult is almost impossible for an autistic person, which OP will have to do if they ever plan on moving to Finland since you need knowledge of Finnish to get permanent residency.

>>2367723
>given they would be seen as a "drain" on their countries' economies given their autism and numerous health issues.
Oh it's worse than that. They won't let you in if you tell them you're disabled and looking to migrate for gibsmedat. Social democracies have hella strict immigration rules for exactly this reason: they don't want to share with foreigners.

>>2367768
>"Smoking causes cancer, but not all smokers develop cancer, therefore smoking doesn't cause cancer at all."
"Cause" means that something necessarily follows from another. If something causes something else it happens 100% of the time. That people say "smoking causes cancer" is just a lazy approximation, as people generally do in language. It's rather that smoking is likely to cause cancer in tandem with other factors that will bring the cancer about.

>So what causes intellectual disability in high needs autistics if it's not the autism itself? Show me some evidence.

You are the one making a positive claim so the burden of proof rests on you.

>>2367778
>You are the one making a positive claim so the burden of proof rests on you.
This is a cope. I would rather trust the evidence which shows a link between autism and intellectual disability. 27% of autistic people are intellectually disabled and require a lifetime of special care. That's a hard statistic.

>It's rather that smoking is likely to cause cancer in tandem with other factors that will bring the cancer about.

Okay so autism is LIKELY to cause intellectual disability. Which it does in 25-27% of cases.

>>2367780
>This is a cope.
It's a scientific standard.

>I would rather trust the evidence which shows a link between autism and intellectual disability. 27% of autistic people are intellectually disabled and require a lifetime of special care. That's a hard statistic.

You have no evidence that autism causes mental retardation, you have your personal interpretation of the statistic data that doesn't mean what you think it does. For now, there is only a correlation.

>Okay so autism is LIKELY to cause intellectual disability.

Yet again, the burden of proof is on you to show it.

masterfully crafted bait, I salute you fellow redditeur

>>2367657
A state isn't a house. And Scandinavia can accommodate a lot of people provided proper resource distribution, which has as of yet not been scientifically considered in in-kind economic terms by Europe. This isn't to mention all the things the EU and its sphere does to fuck over all the countries mass-migration has started from. See Palestine, Yemen and Syria for contemporary examples. It's not a stretch to say that the simple reason for the migrant crisis has been sparked by the endless rampage on the MENA region committed by NATO, and the unwillingness to accommodate the people who were displaced by economic and military violence displayed by EU member states is an abdication of moral duty and a legacy of racism.


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