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Not reporting is bourgeois


 

Is the fact that the Scandinavian countries have some of the strictest immigration laws in the world a form of social murder?

I’m autistic, queer and chronically ill. I currently live in America and am petrified of being a victim of eugenics. The Trump administration has made it clear they do not want me or any of my other autistic comrades to exist. RFK will soon move forward in finding a way to eradicate autistics. Same thing with queer people. The big bill that was just passed also cuts Medicare, which is crucial to my survival.

Since I’m unable to work a real job or be politically active in the streets due to my autistic and disabled identities my best option would be taking refuge in one of the Scandinavian countries. I’m particularly drawn to Iceland and Finland. All Scandinavian countries have some of the best healthcare in the world. They have the best benefits and aid for disabled and chronically ill people in the world. Very mutual aid-based cultures. And they’re basically autistic utopias since Scandinavians don’t do small talk, are very quiet and reserved, and don’t look people in the eye when they talk. Their languages are also very direct and much less ambiguous. They’re also very solitary people. I know society is what disabled me so if I could move to a Scandinavian country my disabilities would no longer be a problem and I’d be free.

But Scandinavian countries have some the the tightest immigration restrictions in the world. They don’t allow refugees fleeing from wars in so of course they won’t allow autistic comrades fleeing eugenics in. I’m fucking livid about it. Moving to Iceland, Finland or any other Scandinavian country is my only hope and the only hope of millions of other autistics in America. We are literally on the verge of being exterminated and yet we still can’t take refuge in the only countries that can save us.

So does this count as social murder, as Engels says?

>>2366681
i mean you can extend it to that point (for whatever reason you want to) but it was already social murder when medicare was cut and i dunno if this is a genuine question or a high level troll to get us to say that border control is social murder

>>2366681
I'm sorry but your post is very lol. You are saying you want to move to a Scandinavian country for the sole purpose of living off disability? What do you think would happen if they had lax immigration rules?

>>2366695
Not just disability benefits but a culture that accommodates me fully. Autism isn’t considered a deficit in Scandinavia because Scandinavian culture is largely autistic in essence.

>>2366704
>cultural essentialism
marx weeps

China also has closed borders. In fact, it’s almost impossible for foreigners to migrate to China. Is that “social murder” too?

>>2366681
you do realise these countries cannot take in millions of people, right?

you do realise these countries are not magically 'awesome to live in', they have a social system which requires people to work for it, right?

'verge of being exterminated'
stop swallowing scaremongering propaganda, you'll be fine

>>2366738
OP does not want to go to asiatic Zhongguo. OP wants to go to Aryan Socialist Paradise, Scandinavia

>>2366746
trvke nvkem

>>2366681
come to Mauritius

dafuq? if the situation is so dire then just flee to a third world country, even if youre a giga autist people will just chalk it up to you being a foreigner

>>2366681
>autistic and disabled identities
how is this an identity?

>>2366757
not OP but keep talking anon. I want to know more about your Island Nation

>>2366744
you do realise this is bait, right?

>>2366987
you can't tell nowadays
specially with amerikkkan 'leftists'

>>2366933
you can get citizenship if you buy a property (or 'invest') of like 500,000USD here
we have a flat tax of 15% for everyone and everything

so if you are a rich crackka and you want to be a beach bum, hit me up

With a palestine flag. Very clever. This is now the same mf who has posted the trans copypasta cause he became bored of this thread.

>>2366838
It’s a different way of experiencing the world, like queerness or blackness.

>>2367198
speak your truth, queen

>>2367198
I’m deaf in one ear. I need earring aids which are a pain in the ass. I would like very much to not have to use earring aids and to have earring restored to one of my ears, thank you very much.

>>2366681
Bro, you can’t just barge into another country and leech off their services. The amount of entitlement in your post is through the roof.

>>2367229
Not OP, but you do realize autistic masking is deadly for us, right? Masking is what Marx would label as invisible labour. Getting asylum in a country where you don’t have to mask would be a life saving improvement and no different from Mexicans or Salvadorans coming to the US for a better quality of life.

>>2367256
That still doesn’t justify demanding the right to suck off resources from a country you have no connection to. FFS you sound like a fucking Zio who wants to create an autistic Israel in Finland.

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are dogs bourgeois?

>>2367312
dogs are good boys

>>2367304
>autistic Israel in Finland
you have a way with words, incredible

>>2367312
Yes, they are carnivorous, meaning they eat (exploit) other animals' (proletarians') meat (surplus value).

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>>2367312
t modern day dog culture is reactionary and they are used to defend private property, and used by the police state.

Why is it dog owners always come into a butcher shop and demand free bones? I never see cat owners do this

>>2367256
>muh masking
Who cares?

>invisible labour

Prove it.

Why do autists feel like they’re entitled to things neurotypicals aren’t entitled to?

>>2367383
If you are so neurotypical why can't you realise this is bait?

>>2367388
It’s clearly bait. I’m saying this isn’t the first time I’ve seen someone use autism as an excuse to get what they want no strings attached.

>>2367383
Siege thinking, Manichaean worldview, rigid thinking, believe they can’t be wrong about anything, feel the need to be in control all the time.

>>2366681
>Is the fact that the Scandinavian countries have some of the strictest immigration laws in the world a form of social murder?

This is actually quite an interesting way of putting it. I guess the question becomes whether or not countries that can provide a refuge to oppressed peoples fleeing persecution should be obligated to open their doors and share their resources.

>>2367422
they are not obligated

>>2367448
Why not?

>>2367304
>That still doesn’t justify demanding the right to suck off resources from a country you have no connection to.
Nta, but spooks
>FFS you sound like a fucking Zio who wants to create an autistic Israel in Finland.
Every western country is funtionally an Israel in a global and historical context, Israel is just late to the game. Denying this is either out of bias or ignorance.

You have my full sympathies but neither Iceland nor Finland is part of Scandinavia and do you have any sources for
>All Scandinavian countries have some of the best healthcare in the world
?

I only have anecdotal evidence but from what I've heard from people who have experienced in Sw*distan an abroad, our healthcare fucking sucks. And all sorts of welfare have been slowly and methodically gutted during 3-4 decades of neoliberal austerity; there's no easy gibs to get here anymore. You will have to run a bureaucratic gauntlet and then maybe you'll get some scraps, typically continually tested.

Anyway, interesting question. Yes, it's absolutely social murder. Perhaps even social genocide?

>>2366681
Everytime people claim leftypol is 'left-wing' just put them to the litmust test with the eugenics question and you'll instantly get all of the disgusting freaks crawling out of the woodworks to prove you wrong in a heartbeat. Look at the attitudes and sentiments in this thread, 'leeching resources' lmfao as if they're Malthusians and as if the purpose of communism isn't the recognition of post-scarcity, as if the basic amenities required to survive aren't overflowing in available abundance.
REMINDER: OVERPOPULATION IS A EUGENICIST, REACTIONARY MYTH AND SUCH A MISANTHROPIC SENTIMENT IS ANATHEMA TO THE HUMANISTIC KERNEL OF MARXISM.

>>2367383
All people should be entitled to the basic standards of life. This is leftism 101, retard.

Sorry but ableism will be gone only in the far future communism

>>2366704
Lmao, that's american projection if I ever seen it

>muh leftypol
Leftypol fetishism

>So does this count as social murder, as Engels says?
Yes

Just dont mask bro. There are thousands of homeless and poor people. You will joint them


>>2367632
Some populations will have it hard bro. Your only hope is solidarity of other workers, but you cant force it by yourself. You are weak alone and isolated. You will just have to accept death

>>2367616
It's less about "muh limited resources" and more about the entitlement Americans have, that they can simply emigrate to any country they want without barriers.

It's like showing up at someone's house uninvited, demanding that they give you all the food in their fridge, and when they get angry you say "BUT I'M AN AMERICAN, THIS IS ALL RIGHTFULLY MINE" to shut them up.

>>2367616
>>2367617
So why not fight for free healthcare and better disability welfare in America instead of fleeing and demanding Finland provide that stuff for you?

>>2366681
>Is the fact that the Scandinavian countries have some of the strictest immigration laws in the world a form of social murder?
Depends on how you look at it.

Every single social democracy has to prioritize its own citizens first and foremost. Can I move to Mexico and demand free tequila for the rest of my life? Are rich/imperialist countries obligated to take in anyone who is suffering and wants to put their hand in said country's cookie jar of abundant resources? What about the fact that those nations only have an abundance of resources like healthcare because they leech off the labour of Third World labourers? After all, aren't the biggest corporations in Scandinavia oil companies like Maersk?

Zizek actually made a good point when talking about the Syrian refugee crisis: Syrian refugees would enter the Schengen Area through Greece, there was no war in Greece yet the Syrian refugees didn't want to stay in Greece, they all wanted to go to Norway and demanded the aid agencies take them there. Yet, there were plenty of Greeks who wished they could have moved to Norway. And once in Norway, the Syrians realize the "Norway" they envisioned and romancitised doesn't even exist in Norway anymore, due to years of austerity measures.

The point Zizek was making is that many migrants and refugees who flood into the West have bought into the illusion of the West's wealth. They think the streets are paved with gold so to say, when the streets of Paris and London are actually paved with shit. It seems like you, OP, are buying into the same propaganda. You and your fellow Aspies will arrive in Helsinki only to realize Finnish culture isn't anything what you envisioned and no one is going to show you sympathy or throw you a bone.

>>2366681
If you want to move to Finland, you will be required to speak the Finnish language, which is ridiculously hard to learn (even more so if you're autistic). You will probably spend years in limbo like most other immigrants and in that time you won't be entitled to most of the benefits you desire.

>>2366681
Pretty sure the Nordic countries are prioritizing Palestinian and Sudanese refugees who are actually fleeing for their lives rather than spoiled brat Americans who just want a larger slice of pie.

>>2366681
Good luck finding affordable housing in Scandinavia.

>>2367616
Assuming OP isn't a troll, there's no way the Swedish or Finnish governments would allow them to come in, given they would be seen as a "drain" on their countries' economies given their autism and numerous health issues.

>Scandinavian countries have some of the strictest immigration laws
They don't

>>2367723
Does it if the faggot is or not? You already know he is a troll anyways,

>>2367671
>(even more so if you're autistic)
Autism isn't a learning disability.

>>2367659
Because the Trump administration is already here and moving forward with their plan for autistic people.

>>2367728
Why don't you google that.
>Autism isn't a learning disability.

>>2367730
It factually isn't. It's a neurodevelopmental disorder that causes problems like sensory sensitivity, overload for executive function and their distinct internal world makes it harder for them to understand allistic social dynamics, but they are not diminished in their ability to learn things. Don't tell me to Google something when I'm more educated on the subject than you.

>>2367732
Google will tell you that the average autistic has a sub 100 autism score

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>>2367734
A learning disability doesn't start when you have less than 100 I.Q. points. With that reasoning the vast majority of the planet would have a learning disability according to you. The I.Q. distribution of autistic people is characterized by two bell curves. One section of people with autism has above average intelligence and then another section has below average intelligence, because the latter is mentally retarded as an additional condition that isn't the autism itself.

>>2367728
It's a social-pragmatic language disorder.

t. boyfriend works with autistic children

>>2367737
>because the latter is mentally retarded as an additional condition that isn't the autism itself.

Autism is the largest cause of intellectual disability.

If ID has nothing to do with autism, what causes it then? Nutrient deficiency? Brain damage at birth?

>>2367740
>Autism is the largest cause of intellectual disability.
If autism were the cause then it would apply to all of them and not a part.

>>2367746
Not all autism is the same. It's called a SPECTRUM for a reason.

>>2367726
You can't just show up in Finland or Sweden and demand they give you healthcare and disability benefits. You have to go through the lengthy immigration process and they can deny you for any reason.

The only way to successfully migrate to either is to already be an EU citizen with the Schengen Area and all that.

>>2367737
>, because the latter is mentally retarded as an additional condition that isn't the autism itself.
>if you are retarded and autistic it doesn't count.

>>2367749
You're backpaddeling here, because your point revolved around autistic people in general being mentally retarded, while I stated from the get go that there is an in-group variance with distinctions. The claim that "autism causes mental retardation" must mean that everyone with autism is mentally retarded.

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Norwegian here, our tightly controlled borders protects the integrity of the welfare state and defend working-class gains from global capitalist exploitation. Norway’s strong labor protections, universal healthcare, and generous social programs were won through decades of struggle and depend on high levels of social trust, economic contribution, and democratic control. Moreover, when the state is forced to stretch limited public resources without corresponding increases in revenue or infrastructure, the working class—both native and immigrant—suffers most.

Norway’s culture, identity, and social cohesion are rooted in its shared history, language, and traditions, which are threatened by large-scale immigration. Rapid demographic change can erode national unity, strain public institutions, and lead to cultural fragmentation. To preserve Norway’s way of life, values, and social harmony, immigration must be strictly limited, prioritizing those who share or can easily integrate into the country’s cultural fabric.

>>2367763
That's cool. Why don't you let in the autismos of the world? They will fit right in.

Despite its reputation, Norway’s immigration system is not as tight as it should be to fully protect national interests and cultural cohesion. Loopholes in asylum and family reunification policies, combined with EU and Schengen obligations, allow for continued inflows that strain housing, education, and healthcare systems—especially in urban areas. Integration outcomes remain uneven, with growing concerns over parallel societies and declining trust in public institutions. For those who believe in strong borders, Norway’s current policies fall short of ensuring long-term stability and cultural preservation.

Rødt seeks to fix this.

>>2367765
You are an LLM.

>>2367759
>The claim that "autism causes mental retardation" must mean that everyone with autism is mentally retarded.

Fallacious. "Smoking causes cancer, but not all smokers develop cancer, therefore smoking doesn't cause cancer at all."

So what causes intellectual disability in high needs autistics if it's not the autism itself? Show me some evidence.

>Is all the world robots and retards.
>Is all the world robots and retards.
>Is all the world robots and retards.
>Is all the world robots and retards.

>>2367728
>Autism isn't a learning disability.
It's a language disability. Learning a new language as a grown adult is almost impossible for an autistic person, which OP will have to do if they ever plan on moving to Finland since you need knowledge of Finnish to get permanent residency.

>>2367723
>given they would be seen as a "drain" on their countries' economies given their autism and numerous health issues.
Oh it's worse than that. They won't let you in if you tell them you're disabled and looking to migrate for gibsmedat. Social democracies have hella strict immigration rules for exactly this reason: they don't want to share with foreigners.

>>2367768
>"Smoking causes cancer, but not all smokers develop cancer, therefore smoking doesn't cause cancer at all."
"Cause" means that something necessarily follows from another. If something causes something else it happens 100% of the time. That people say "smoking causes cancer" is just a lazy approximation, as people generally do in language. It's rather that smoking is likely to cause cancer in tandem with other factors that will bring the cancer about.

>So what causes intellectual disability in high needs autistics if it's not the autism itself? Show me some evidence.

You are the one making a positive claim so the burden of proof rests on you.

>>2367778
>You are the one making a positive claim so the burden of proof rests on you.
This is a cope. I would rather trust the evidence which shows a link between autism and intellectual disability. 27% of autistic people are intellectually disabled and require a lifetime of special care. That's a hard statistic.

>It's rather that smoking is likely to cause cancer in tandem with other factors that will bring the cancer about.

Okay so autism is LIKELY to cause intellectual disability. Which it does in 25-27% of cases.

>>2367780
>This is a cope.
It's a scientific standard.

>I would rather trust the evidence which shows a link between autism and intellectual disability. 27% of autistic people are intellectually disabled and require a lifetime of special care. That's a hard statistic.

You have no evidence that autism causes mental retardation, you have your personal interpretation of the statistic data that doesn't mean what you think it does. For now, there is only a correlation.

>Okay so autism is LIKELY to cause intellectual disability.

Yet again, the burden of proof is on you to show it.

masterfully crafted bait, I salute you fellow redditeur

>>2367657
A state isn't a house. And Scandinavia can accommodate a lot of people provided proper resource distribution, which has as of yet not been scientifically considered in in-kind economic terms by Europe. This isn't to mention all the things the EU and its sphere does to fuck over all the countries mass-migration has started from. See Palestine, Yemen and Syria for contemporary examples. It's not a stretch to say that the simple reason for the migrant crisis has been sparked by the endless rampage on the MENA region committed by NATO, and the unwillingness to accommodate the people who were displaced by economic and military violence displayed by EU member states is an abdication of moral duty and a legacy of racism.

>>2367665
>what about this racist made up nonsense zizek once said?
fuck off

>>2367804
I wasn't talking about the actual refugee crises at all. I was saying OP is an entitled shit if he thinks he can barge into any one of the Scandinavian countries as an American and demand resources. Actual refugees and immigrants go through a process before they're able to get those benefits. And in order to claim asylum you have to have actual proof you're in desperate need of it, e.g. fleeing an actual genocide or war. You can't just say "Trump and RFK scare me, let me in and give me disability benefits". That's not how it legally works.

>>2366681
>I’m particularly drawn to Iceland and Finland.
You also have money and employer? Without those you are not even going to get a visa to stay. Language is also nowadays mandatory requirement. Also you are not going to get any social benefits as long as you only have normal tourist visa.

>>2367817
Pretty sure OP is stupid enough to think Finland or wherever will grant him asylum. He thinks he can LARP as a refugee and get away with it. Meanwhile, actual refugees take years to get vetted.

>>2367804
>by EU member states is an abdication of moral duty and a legacy of racism.
Okay but what moral duty does an EU country have to take in an autistic American who simply wants more disability gibs?

>>2366681
Diagnosed Spergs aren’t allowed to migrate.

>>2367812
>>2367824
Just checked the op again. My bad, continue bashing the burgerfat

>>2367824
Other than being annoying nothing, the point is that the USA is also practising social murder, I'm sure OP could contribute to society somehow since they can type multiple paragraphs

>>2366681
> Is the fact that the Scandinavian countries have some of the strictest immigration laws in the world a form of social murder?
Yes, so long as Capital is free to move across the globe the enforcement of borders against proletarians serves no other purpose than maintaining the global arbitrage of labor and the social murder associated with poverty

Don’t even need to read the rest tbh, I know this is all a reactionary meme but proletarians owe absolutely nothing to the capitalist national states that dominate the world, they absolutely should take advantage of their welfare systems and engage in mass protests and other destabilizing maneuvers against the class dictatorship of the bourgeoisie

The nation and the volk only exist to latch the shackles on the necks of the proletarians

>>2367817
OP said he’s autistic and can’t work and needs Scandinavian healthcare to survive.

>>2366681
Why can’t you link up with a mutual aid group in America before engaging in destination addiction?

>>2368513
Mutual aid means giving.

>>2368530
It also means taking.

>>2368553
If everyone gjves and takes then noone really took or gave anything

>>2368530
>mutual aid
Also known as "family"

>>2366744
I would apply for asylum on the basis I’m escaping an autistic genocide. If they refuse to give me refuge they will have committed social murder against me and all other autistic folks.

>>2367229
How am I entitled? Because I fear for my life under the genocidal and eugenicist Trump administration?

>>2368736
Yes. And?

>>2368738
All autistic people deserve to seek refuge in nations where we are perfectly accommodated. The fact these countries have extremely strict immigration laws is social murder and very evil.

>>2368782
You with be “perfectly accommodated” in any of these countries. You will have to deal with the insufferable cost of living. Even if you’re granted asylum on some bullshit eugenics claim, the governments of these countries don’t give refugees free housing and free food. Wait lists for housing in several Swedish cities go for ten years. You will be dumpster diving and couch surfing your full time there.

>>2368782
All proletarians deserve the right to go wherever they desire

>>2367617
Autistic people are entitled to things all other workers are entitled to. They’re not entitled to more just because they have an autism diagnosis. If you’re homeless you’re entitled to a home, not a landed estate.

>>2369077
What if I need a landed estate for my sensory issues and as reparations for eugenics? /s

>>2366681
>>2366691
QRD on “social murder”?

>>2366681
>I’m autistic, queer and chronically ill. I currently live in America and am petrified of being a victim of eugenics. The Trump administration has made it clear they do not want me or any of my other autistic comrades to exist. RFK will soon move forward in finding a way to eradicate autistics. Same thing with queer people. The big bill that was just passed also cuts Medicare, which is crucial to my survival.

How old are you? Are you still on your parents' insurance? Is the ACA how you afford healthcare?

Do you live in a city? Because rural areas are going to be the most fucked by the Big Beautiful Bill. American hospitals are notoriously understaffed already and this bill will only make it worse given the massive Medicaid cuts.

Also, are you white? You sound white. I have never seen a person of colour insist on leaving the US and migrating to Europe because they don't like the current president.

>>2366704
Scandinavian culture is hella conformist and you'll be pretty fucking marginalized for being an American and not speaking the language or having a full grasp of the culture.

And if you think austerity measures aren't going to kick in soon, well I've got a bridge to sell you.

Interesting how autistic people always want to move to white European countries that are “quiet” like Finland and never Black or Brown countries. Mexico isn’t committing eugenics against autists yet autists would rather live in Northern Europe.

>>2370953
"Mexico is too loud and chaotic for my autistic brain to handle!"

>>2367616
how is belief in overpopulation eugenicist? if anything it's anti-eugenicist. a eugenicist would just think it's not a problem and the strong will survive. why do you think all those nazis are pronatalists

>Hello leftypol I fear my native country will kill me, Can I enter so my life will be spared?
>Haha stupid burger thinking he's entitled to free gibs while REAL people in need have to do YEARS (of pointless means testing and busywork and paperwork) to get in? Have you no respect for the laws or the process? Medicine and 100sq foot apartments don't grow on trees you know! What if you can't contribute back and become a drain on society?
This site is european liberals larping as american leftists larping as third world leftists

>>2371633
I don't think you understand how difficult it is to claim asylum in any country, much less countries with air-tight immigration restrictions like the EU. OP (assuming he's legit) is a fucking moron for thinking Finland will roll out the red carpet for him, especially since he's not escaping a violent conflict where his life is in guaranteed danger.

>>2371636
sounds to me like he's perfectly aware they won't do that

Hi Warrior-Z

>>2371637
Sure, but how is that social murder?

It's almost impossible to migrate to China and become a Chinese citizen. Is that "social murder" too?

>>2371646
sure why not

It’s this easy to run up engagement bait nowadays huh

>>2371649
You will have to elaborate.

>>2371633
>>2371636
The "autism registry" isn't going to happen. The worst that will happen to autists under Trump is losing Medicare and Medicaid like all other Americans.

>>2371636
Autistic masking and the burnout that comes with it is the top reason autistic people commit suicide. Moving to Finland where autistic people don't have to mask could very well be a matter of life and death.

>palestine flag
>hi guys I'm an assburger queer trans plus sized black lesbian migrant in a wheelchair
>is Scandinavian countries not having open borders *checks notes* 'social murder'?
Lmao even.

>>2371685
>Moving to Finland where autistic people don't have to mask could very well be a matter of life and death.
Emotional blackmail.

Unemployment and feeling like an utter failure in life also contribute greatly to suicide. Do I get to claim asylum in China on that basis alone? Is China not allowing me in "social murder"?

>>2369828
>And if you think austerity measures aren't going to kick in soon
Anon, they've been ongoing since the early 90's

>>2371699
They're bound to get worse. Didn't Denmark just raise its retirement age to 70?

You need to arrive in Finland before you can apply for asylum.

https://www.infofinland.fi/en/moving-to-finland/non-eu-citizens/asylum-in-finland

Also, says nothing about disability being a category that you can use to apply. It will take time to vet you, so you have to have a means of surviving in Finland until then.

>>2371704
Yes, that's what 'ongoing' means.

>>2371714
>You need to arrive in Finland before you can apply for asylum.
So if OP is autistic, chronically ill, and can't leave the house, and has no money for a plane ticket (cheapest flights I'm finding from NYC to Helsinki in August are a whopping $600) he can't file for asylum?

>be the most social democratic country in the imp core
<nobody's allowed in
and people say it's not about imperialism

It feels like all countries collaborate with each other to hold the workers hostage or something


Chris chan is in finland. Maybe you can do the same

>>2366681
>Scandinavian countries have some of the strictest immigration laws
That's not true at all, what are you talking about

Sorry, we have too many autismos already.

Scandinavian countries are AEL (actually existing leftcumism)

>>2370953
Perhaps because these countries aren't equally progressive when it comes to how they handle autistic people?

uyghur you're retarded.

>>2371691
Is your unemployment an inborn condition?

>>2372218
People are born unemployed, they have to get access to jobs to be employed. But there is elitism in hiring practices or something, so some people have hard time getting employed. Autism probably has something to do with it

>>2370953
>would you live in a country that's reasonably safe or a country where a cartel can end your life at any time
hmmm it really is a mystery why they would pick the former

>>2372221
Scandinavia isnt safe either. Never know when Breivik or Varg Vikernes types are going to kill you for Evropa

Is OP brown?

Shitty bait
A for effort though

>>2372222
the Scandi countryside isn't controlled by armed neo-nazis.

>>2366681
OP your solution doesn't tackle the real source of your problems.

The essence of disability issues is centered on the professional and managerial strata and the real subsumption of labor and the trade in wage slaves. The essence of a manager is to buy and sell wage slaves and take credit for the work of underlings, it is labor arbitrage. The essence of a professional/labor monopoly is to objectify labor-power and produce technics (technology as a means of control). It is the professional strata which makes the means of production inaccessible and the managerial strata who commodify labor-power.

If you want to strike back at the professional strata, the doctors and the technicians, then the solution starts with consumer boycotts. When professionals/labor monopolies produce goods and services, you are not the customer but the product. Boycotts cannot target capital in general but they can target the labor monopoly strata.

When it comes to the managerial strata then ultimately you want to strike at the state. You should organize to waste the time and money of cops and doctors and protest for lower interest rates, more jobs and less violence. Capitalists do not care about blood and bodies they care about money. Capitalists will only increase employment when public welfare and cops become more expensive than the extra amount of profit they can extract by inflating unemployment.

>>2372216
There is no fear of eugenics in Mexico.

>>2372342
To expand, I am not expecting you to get into firefights with the cops. But there are plenty of "legitimate" reasons the reserve pool of labor has need to access public services and cops. There are a ton of nonprofits and other social sector bullshit an organised group of lumpen have "legitimate" reasons to flood and waste the time and money of. As scary as it is, I would focus on wasting the time and money of cops first over psychiatrists. Do that kind of protest and you give capital a reason to lower interests and stimulate more jobs.

>>2372216
How does Mexico treat autists?

>>2366681
Finnish healthcare isn’t free. It’s cheap but not free. Abd they don’t give it to non-citizens.

>>2366681
>”I adhere to the social model of disability, it’s SOCIETY that disabled me, if I lived in Finland I wouldn’t be disabled!”

>”also, I need to move to Finland because I need all their disability benefits”


Pick one. Just one.

>>2372673
You‘re one of the worst posters on here.

honestly either move up north (canada) or somewhere in europe like the UK or france, though your time there would be limited. another suggestion would be china or vietnam, but that's more difficult.

>>2372775
Agreed.

Could someone explain what social murder is and why Nordics not wanting foreigners to mass-migrate to their countries is a form of it?

how is this even considered "bait?" op is basic retard sarcasm. this is why your movement fails in this country. fucking idiots.
>>2366681

>>2372775
She’s not wrong.

>>2372917
samefag

>>2372775
Then surely you should be able (see what i did there btw) to counter her argument.

>>2366681
What kind of "eugenics" is Trump committing against you?

>>2373584
Trump canceled my medicaid and bow im going to die

>>2373592
Get a job maybe? If you think losing free money because the requirements for receiving some of the spoils of imperialism are slightly stricter is going to kill you then you might be too weak for communism

>>2373594
I have a job but i have to limit my hours to stay below the poverty line to keep my medicaid

>>2373594
Most people who will lose medicaid have jobs. Bait and ban.

weak bait, though many bites

>>2373584
Autism registry

The further demonization of autism as a “deficit” in need of “curing”

RFK putting money into “autism cures” that take away autistic folks’ dignity as human beings

Cutting Medicare and Medicaid

Forcing me to mask which makes me suicidal

Overall forcing me to live in a society increasingly hostile to me all all other autistics

>is it wrong for a country have some standard for let people inside?

Would you let anyone inside your house before you knowing them?

>>2374651
Not the same

>>2374651
A country isn’t a house. And yes I would let people who are desperate in my house and provide them with food like any compassionate human being would.

>>2374653
Yo uygha, where you at, I'm packing already.

>>2374652
It's literally the same logic, would let anyone inside your house before you knowing anything about them ? If you say "yes" for a country, then let anyone inside your house, people and countries have right to know who are they dealing with.

>>2374653
>>2374653
You would be eating alive if you think like that

>>2374662
If I’m about to be exterminated via eugenics I deserve refuge in an autism friendly nation.

>>2374668
I'm not against immigrants or refugees, but I'm not a open border retarded that thinks all people are good and nice equally or are respectful, if you are a nice decent person and you prove that, than you can go some other country, if you're not that, then you deserve to out of the country or expelled.

>>2374662
It's not at all the same thing you total child.

>>2374668
no one is exterminating you
you live better than most of the world already
if you deserve refugee status, then most of Africa, Asia, and Latin America should be ahead of you
Man up and fight your oppressors, stop wishing for Super-Scandis to save your sorry ass
retard.

Am I the only one who’s getting fucking sick and tired of autistic idpol?

When did autism replace queer liberation as the new “hot topic” of the left?

>>2374879
any new fad but God forbid the western left entertains the liberation of the workers again

>>2374850
Answer the question: would you let anyone in inside your house before you knew anything about them?

>>2374879
It’s mental masturbation combined with the innocence fetish.

>>2375007
Letting someone into your house isn't the same as immigration you fucktarded shitheap.

the nordics do not owe you shit

>>2375316
Elaborate

>>2374867
I won’t have to mask in Scandinavia.


>>2377093
>jacobin

>>2366681
Go be mentally ill in Africa

>>2377439
Please address the arguments.

I have no idea why leftists are pro-immigration.

You're literally diluting the labor pool for the benefit of the capital.

What is wrong with you

>>2377499
OP doesn't see himself as an immigrant but an asylum seeker running from eugenics.

>>2377525
Neurodivergent people have it difficult everywhere though, they're the victims of soft eugenics everywhere because modern society isn't built for their brains.

>>2377499
>why are you increasing productivity through technology for the benefit of capital and displacing le workers? Yes i am a luddite, how could you tell?

>>2377536
>”soft eugenics”
No such thing

>>2366681
>I’m autistic, queer and chronically ill
yeah I can see, no need to clarify

>>2366681
>Is the fact that the Scandinavian countries have some of the strictest immigration laws in the world a form of social murder?
phil retard moment

>>2378248
Being excluded from the dating pool for not being normal enough absolutely is soft eugenics, whether it's a good thing or not is a completely different matter.

>>2378512
no one is obligated to like you, much less fuck you

>>2378512
No one is obligated to date you. Sex and romance are not basic needs society has to provide everyone.

>>2378512
>soft eugenics
anarchists love reducing everything to vibes and aura man

>>2378603
>>2378625
Not wanting to have a sexual relationship with an autistic person is the very definition of eugenics, yes.

>>2378691
what is the relevance of the autism here?
I am not autistic (or so I believe) and there are many women who do not want to fuck me. And that is normal.
But if I was autistic, then it would be eugenics?
What?!

>>2378691
im glad you arent adding your genes to the pool tbh

>>2378694
>>2378698
Dating preferences are often shaped by the eugenicist nature of capitalist society.

>>2378705
cool, im concerned with ending class society altogether not alleviating its many "ills"

>>2378706
Eugenics is the VERY BASIS of capitalism. You can’t fight capitalism without fighting eugenics.

>>2378707
hmm nope, pretty sure its class

>>2378707
I think the inheritance of private property is a large part of capitalism but I wouldn't call it the only part.

>>2378714
where capital comes from is irrelevant

>>2378709
The disabled were the first class. All class oppression comes from ableism.

>>2378733
communism isnt about oppression in the abstract either

>>2378809
That’s exactly what HistMat and DiaMat are about.

>>2378691
What about women who have autism themselves and don't want to date autistic men because we want to prioritize our support needs before his?

>>2378691
>>2379317
In primitive communist societies elderly and sick were killed in celebration of life. Dont be individualist moralist

>>2366681
You wont get refugee status because america is considered "safe" country for some reason. You can try to work for 7 years without citizenship and then claim it but I doubt you can do that with all your disabilities. Maybe you should move to Canada instead?

>>2379383
More like, they didn't have the medical technology to save sick and disabled people.

Down Syndrome? You'd probably die as a newborn infant since heart surgery didn't exist.

Tetanus? You'd die painfully due to no vaccines.

Rabies? See above.

High needs autism? You'd probably die from seizures, or from running off away from the tribe, or by drowning from running into a lake or river.

The only reason we have so many disabled people around today is because of medical interventions and tech. Before modernity, most disabilities were a death sentence.

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>>2377499
>Implying
By this logic, he also reduces the labor pool of where he's coming from.

>>2366681
>I’m autistic
that's the problem, you start giving yourself labels, modern psychology is built to destroy your potential, read Deleuze.

Autism is caused by shitty parenting

>>2366681
I think Scandinavia and Scandinavians are pretty funny. They complain about immigration about wanting to RETVRN despite the fact that to this still they are still the whitest fuckers on earth and still have their treats(welfare). They are some of the most privileged people on earth and the fact I've been seeing little pussies on the internet crying about modernity while having a home in a peaceful country with low immigration and high standards of living. Honestly I feel just like immigrants who come from third world shit holes who come to America and get annoyed when they see privileged Americans complaining about their country. You mother fuckers are relatively far more privileged than we are in even America.

>>2379689
>read deleuze
Yeah right. Just take anti oedipus and read with no references and no preparation. Le genius

>>2379700
I'll give you a tldr. Basically modern psychology and psychiatry focus not on curing you, but on making you someone useful to the system. You are not a person, an individual, but a diagnosis, and institutions, even your own family will treat you as a subhuman because you have the label autistic, bpd, or whatever.

>>2379716
Has there ever been a communist party that even reviewed deleuze's work?

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didnt we JUST have some retarded 600 reply glow in the dark thread about how communists should stop focusing on the proletariat and instead go work in homeless shelters with op ignoring every single reply and just repeating the same argument over and over again lmfaoo

>>2379738
If God did not take bait, it's up to /leftypol/ to take it.

For the nth time, communism isn't some feel-good save-the-world project, it's class struggle for proletarian interests. Acting like it’s about humanity as a whole is classic petty bourgeois cope that strips it of its actual content.

>>2379950
Shouldn’t the disabled be included in class struggle?

>>2380568
Yes, you should attempt to contribute to society instead of wasting everybody's time

Like I'm not trying to be harsh here, but you could at least make a blog post on >>>/edu/ or go cry in the Grace thread in >>>/siberia/ where people are more likely to be kind and understanding

>>2380589
You just admitted to supporting eugenics.

>>2380590
How is asking you to apply yourself to something, anything other than repeating yourself in this thread eugenics?

>>2380599
What if I can’t contribute? Should I be excluded from the revolution because I’m disabled?

>>2380625
Excellent excellent; I haven't had the opportunity to so this for a while
You can study theory!
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm
Read book plz
Tankyoo

Pretty sure a country that aborts Downies at a rate of 95%+ doesn’t want to deal with autists coming in from abroad.

>>2380656
some well needed trvke in this embarrassing yankeeslop thread

>>2380568
<it's class struggle for proletarian interests
By disabled do you mean illiterate retards like yourself or what

>>2380625
the revolution is not a fun party you know

if you can't do it, you can't do it
Nothing to cry about
you can always be a librarian or something like that


>>2380631
>you can contribute by reading :))))))))))))) it doesnt matter what just Read
lmao

and of course its fucking stalin

>>2367616
>>2366681

Masterclass bait. I'll see you in Valhalla OP

>>2366681
My sister is a paranoid schizophrenic. Can she claim asylum in Finland too?

>>2381090
No unless you live in a war torn country.

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>>2381090
>>2366681
do you really want to live in picrel?!

>>2367081
A did a bit of research on island nations to fuck off to, don't you guys have the same issues of the average western neoliberal nation?

>>2381150 >>2381150
oh no
we are much more backwards (both in infrastructure AND in mentality/culture) and poor than the western states
But what I like is that the system is kind-of 2 tiered. It's not completely neoliberal across the board like in america.
For example, while we do attract rich foreigners due to low tax rates and they get all their private services for price from their desired private companies, for the rest of the population there's a lot of social services.
Education is free (including university), Healthcare is free, transport for students and senior citizens is free. A minimum salary was introduced recently. Vaccines are done in public hospitals for free. Old age pensions, widow pensions, disabilities pensions etc are given.
So if you do not have Money to go to private schools and be among crackkas, there's always the free public option. It is kind of a self-imposed apartheid which tries to benefit the majority.
Being a small island with a small population however, there are natural limits: beyond the luxury hotel with nice beaches schtick, there's not much. I studied engineering, but there's no mineral mines, manufacturing etc here, so job opportunities are very limited. The few opportunities there are, salaries are shit.

>>2380568
Only on Friday
>>2380590
No, I only do so on Mondays

>>2381154
So basically it's still a terrible idea to move there if you aren't shitting gold. Sad.


>>2378512
>>2378691
Protip: relationships built on guilt tripping and emotional blackmail are never going to be healthy or stable.

>Return to thread about whether or not disabled immigrant proles should be genocided for the needs of the Fatherland
<Return to see Leftoids defending the bigoted romantic norms of capitalist society in the name of defending white women (as usual)
When I’m in a Hitler competition vs a leftist

>>2383236
It’s not bigoted to point out how guilt tripping people into romantic relationships will never result in a healthy relationship.

“You only reject me because you’re immersed in capitalist ideology, be my gf or else” isn’t going to end well. A relationship isn’t a broken person looking for someone to make them whole, but two wholes coming together to form something new.

>>2383236
“I don’t want to be my disabled boyfriend’s caregiver” is a perfectly legitimate reason to turn down a relationship. Especially when women’s care work is always uncompensated, and her bf is too low on spoons to get a real job or help her out with housework. She might as well adopt a disabled child if she wants that workload.

>>2383236
Since when are the Scandinavian countries in particular obligated to be the world’s breadbasket?


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