Is the fact that the Scandinavian countries have some of the strictest immigration laws in the world a form of social murder?
I’m autistic, queer and chronically ill. I currently live in America and am petrified of being a victim of eugenics. The Trump administration has made it clear they do not want me or any of my other autistic comrades to exist. RFK will soon move forward in finding a way to eradicate autistics. Same thing with queer people. The big bill that was just passed also cuts Medicare, which is crucial to my survival.
Since I’m unable to work a real job or be politically active in the streets due to my autistic and disabled identities my best option would be taking refuge in one of the Scandinavian countries. I’m particularly drawn to Iceland and Finland. All Scandinavian countries have some of the best healthcare in the world. They have the best benefits and aid for disabled and chronically ill people in the world. Very mutual aid-based cultures. And they’re basically autistic utopias since Scandinavians don’t do small talk, are very quiet and reserved, and don’t look people in the eye when they talk. Their languages are also very direct and much less ambiguous. They’re also very solitary people. I know society is what disabled me so if I could move to a Scandinavian country my disabilities would no longer be a problem and I’d be free.
But Scandinavian countries have some the the tightest immigration restrictions in the world. They don’t allow refugees fleeing from wars in so of course they won’t allow autistic comrades fleeing eugenics in. I’m fucking livid about it. Moving to Iceland, Finland or any other Scandinavian country is my only hope and the only hope of millions of other autistics in America. We are literally on the verge of being exterminated and yet we still can’t take refuge in the only countries that can save us.
So does this count as social murder, as Engels says?
>>2366681you do realise these countries cannot take in millions of people, right?
you do realise these countries are not magically 'awesome to live in', they have a social system which requires people to work for it, right?
'verge of being exterminated'
stop swallowing scaremongering propaganda, you'll be fine
>>2366987you can't tell nowadays
specially with amerikkkan 'leftists'
>>2366933you can get citizenship if you buy a property (or 'invest') of like 500,000USD here
we have a flat tax of 15% for everyone and everything
so if you are a rich crackka and you want to be a beach bum, hit me up
>>2367198speak
your truth, queen
>>2367256>muh maskingWho cares?
>invisible labourProve it.
>>2367304>That still doesn’t justify demanding the right to suck off resources from a country you have no connection to.Nta, but spooks
>FFS you sound like a fucking Zio who wants to create an autistic Israel in Finland.Every western country is funtionally an Israel in a global and historical context, Israel is just late to the game. Denying this is either out of bias or ignorance.
>>2366681Everytime people claim leftypol is 'left-wing' just put them to the litmust test with the eugenics question and you'll instantly get all of the disgusting freaks crawling out of the woodworks to prove you wrong in a heartbeat. Look at the attitudes and sentiments in this thread, 'leeching resources' lmfao as if they're Malthusians and as if the purpose of communism isn't the recognition of post-scarcity, as if the basic amenities required to survive aren't overflowing in available abundance.
REMINDER: OVERPOPULATION IS A EUGENICIST, REACTIONARY MYTH AND SUCH A MISANTHROPIC SENTIMENT IS ANATHEMA TO THE HUMANISTIC KERNEL OF MARXISM.
>>2367616It's less about "muh limited resources" and more about the entitlement Americans have, that they can simply emigrate to any country they want without barriers.
It's like showing up at someone's house uninvited, demanding that they give you all the food in their fridge, and when they get angry you say "BUT I'M AN AMERICAN, THIS IS ALL RIGHTFULLY MINE" to shut them up.
>>2366681>Is the fact that the Scandinavian countries have some of the strictest immigration laws in the world a form of social murder?Depends on how you look at it.
Every single social democracy has to prioritize its own citizens first and foremost. Can I move to Mexico and demand free tequila for the rest of my life? Are rich/imperialist countries obligated to take in anyone who is suffering and wants to put their hand in said country's cookie jar of abundant resources? What about the fact that those nations only have an abundance of resources like healthcare because they leech off the labour of Third World labourers? After all, aren't the biggest corporations in Scandinavia oil companies like Maersk?
Zizek actually made a good point when talking about the Syrian refugee crisis: Syrian refugees would enter the Schengen Area through Greece, there was no war in Greece yet the Syrian refugees didn't want to stay in Greece, they all wanted to go to Norway and demanded the aid agencies take them there. Yet, there were plenty of Greeks who wished they could have moved to Norway. And once in Norway, the Syrians realize the "Norway" they envisioned and romancitised doesn't even exist in Norway anymore, due to years of austerity measures.
The point Zizek was making is that many migrants and refugees who flood into the West have bought into the illusion of the West's wealth. They think the streets are paved with gold so to say, when the streets of Paris and London are actually paved with shit. It seems like you, OP, are buying into the same propaganda. You and your fellow Aspies will arrive in Helsinki only to realize Finnish culture isn't anything what you envisioned and no one is going to show you sympathy or throw you a bone.
>>2367728It's a social-pragmatic language disorder.
t. boyfriend works with autistic children
>>2367737>because the latter is mentally retarded as an additional condition that isn't the autism itself.Autism is the largest cause of intellectual disability.
If ID has nothing to do with autism, what causes it then? Nutrient deficiency? Brain damage at birth?
>>2367726You can't just show up in Finland or Sweden and demand they give you healthcare and disability benefits. You have to go through the lengthy immigration process and they can deny you for any reason.
The only way to successfully migrate to either is to already be an EU citizen with the Schengen Area and all that.
Norwegian here, our tightly controlled borders protects the integrity of the welfare state and defend working-class gains from global capitalist exploitation. Norway’s strong labor protections, universal healthcare, and generous social programs were won through decades of struggle and depend on high levels of social trust, economic contribution, and democratic control. Moreover, when the state is forced to stretch limited public resources without corresponding increases in revenue or infrastructure, the working class—both native and immigrant—suffers most.
Norway’s culture, identity, and social cohesion are rooted in its shared history, language, and traditions, which are threatened by large-scale immigration. Rapid demographic change can erode national unity, strain public institutions, and lead to cultural fragmentation. To preserve Norway’s way of life, values, and social harmony, immigration must be strictly limited, prioritizing those who share or can easily integrate into the country’s cultural fabric.
>>2367759>The claim that "autism causes mental retardation" must mean that everyone with autism is mentally retarded.Fallacious. "Smoking causes cancer, but not all smokers develop cancer, therefore smoking doesn't cause cancer at all."
So what causes intellectual disability in high needs autistics if it's not the autism itself? Show me some evidence.
>>2367728>Autism isn't a learning disability.It's a language disability. Learning a new language as a grown adult is almost impossible for an autistic person, which OP will have to do if they ever plan on moving to Finland since you need knowledge of Finnish to get permanent residency.
>>2367723>given they would be seen as a "drain" on their countries' economies given their autism and numerous health issues.Oh it's worse than that. They won't let you in if you tell them you're disabled and looking to migrate for gibsmedat. Social democracies have hella strict immigration rules for exactly this reason: they don't want to share with foreigners.
>>2367768>"Smoking causes cancer, but not all smokers develop cancer, therefore smoking doesn't cause cancer at all.""Cause" means that something necessarily follows from another. If something causes something else it happens 100% of the time. That people say "smoking causes cancer" is just a lazy approximation, as people generally do in language. It's rather that smoking is
likely to cause cancer in tandem with other factors that will bring the cancer about.
>So what causes intellectual disability in high needs autistics if it's not the autism itself? Show me some evidence.You are the one making a positive claim so the burden of proof rests on you.
>>2367778>You are the one making a positive claim so the burden of proof rests on you.This is a cope. I would rather trust the evidence which shows a link between autism and intellectual disability. 27% of autistic people are intellectually disabled and require a lifetime of special care. That's a hard statistic.
>It's rather that smoking is likely to cause cancer in tandem with other factors that will bring the cancer about.Okay so autism is LIKELY to cause intellectual disability. Which it does in 25-27% of cases.
>>2367780>This is a cope.It's a scientific standard.
>I would rather trust the evidence which shows a link between autism and intellectual disability. 27% of autistic people are intellectually disabled and require a lifetime of special care. That's a hard statistic.You have no evidence that autism causes mental retardation, you have your personal interpretation of the statistic data that doesn't mean what you think it does. For now, there is only a correlation.
>Okay so autism is LIKELY to cause intellectual disability.Yet again, the burden of proof is on you to show it.
>>2366681> Is the fact that the Scandinavian countries have some of the strictest immigration laws in the world a form of social murder?Yes, so long as Capital is free to move across the globe the enforcement of borders against proletarians serves no other purpose than maintaining the global arbitrage of labor and the social murder associated with poverty
Don’t even need to read the rest tbh, I know this is all a reactionary meme but proletarians owe absolutely nothing to the capitalist national states that dominate the world, they absolutely should take advantage of their welfare systems and engage in mass protests and other destabilizing maneuvers against the class dictatorship of the bourgeoisie
The nation and the volk only exist to latch the shackles on the necks of the proletarians
>>2366681>I’m autistic, queer and chronically ill. I currently live in America and am petrified of being a victim of eugenics. The Trump administration has made it clear they do not want me or any of my other autistic comrades to exist. RFK will soon move forward in finding a way to eradicate autistics. Same thing with queer people. The big bill that was just passed also cuts Medicare, which is crucial to my survival.How old are you? Are you still on your parents' insurance? Is the ACA how you afford healthcare?
Do you live in a city? Because rural areas are going to be the most fucked by the Big Beautiful Bill. American hospitals are notoriously understaffed already and this bill will only make it worse given the massive Medicaid cuts.
Also, are you white? You sound white. I have never seen a person of colour insist on leaving the US and migrating to Europe because they don't like the current president.
>>2366704Scandinavian culture is hella conformist and you'll be pretty fucking marginalized for being an American and not speaking the language or having a full grasp of the culture.
And if you think austerity measures aren't going to kick in soon, well I've got a bridge to sell you.
>>2371637Sure, but how is that social murder?
It's almost impossible to migrate to China and become a Chinese citizen. Is that "social murder" too?
>>2371685>Moving to Finland where autistic people don't have to mask could very well be a matter of life and death.Emotional blackmail.
Unemployment and feeling like an utter failure in life also contribute greatly to suicide. Do I get to claim asylum in China on that basis alone? Is China not allowing me in "social murder"?
You need to arrive in Finland before you can apply for asylum.
https://www.infofinland.fi/en/moving-to-finland/non-eu-citizens/asylum-in-finlandAlso, says nothing about disability being a category that you can use to apply. It will take time to vet you, so you have to have a means of surviving in Finland until then.
>>2366681OP your solution doesn't tackle the real source of your problems.
The essence of disability issues is centered on the professional and managerial strata and the real subsumption of labor and the trade in wage slaves. The essence of a manager is to buy and sell wage slaves and take credit for the work of underlings, it is labor arbitrage. The essence of a professional/labor monopoly is to objectify labor-power and produce technics (technology as a means of control). It is the professional strata which makes the means of production inaccessible and the managerial strata who commodify labor-power.
If you want to strike back at the professional strata, the doctors and the technicians, then the solution starts with consumer boycotts. When professionals/labor monopolies produce goods and services, you are not the customer but the product. Boycotts cannot target capital in general but they can target the labor monopoly strata.
When it comes to the managerial strata then ultimately you want to strike at the state. You should organize to waste the time and money of cops and doctors and protest for lower interest rates, more jobs and less violence. Capitalists do not care about blood and bodies they care about money. Capitalists will only increase employment when public welfare and cops become more expensive than the extra amount of profit they can extract by inflating unemployment.
>>2372775Then surely you should be able
(see what i did there btw) to counter her argument.
>>2373584Autism registry
The further demonization of autism as a “deficit” in need of “curing”
RFK putting money into “autism cures” that take away autistic folks’ dignity as human beings
Cutting Medicare and Medicaid
Forcing me to mask which makes me suicidal
Overall forcing me to live in a society increasingly hostile to me all all other autistics
>>2374668no one is exterminating you
you live better than most of the world already
if you deserve refugee status, then most of Africa, Asia, and Latin America should be ahead of you
Man up and fight your oppressors, stop wishing for Super-Scandis to save your sorry ass
retard.
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