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Not reporting is bourgeois


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<Abolish The Family.
<Abolish Religion.
<Abolish Wage Labour.
<Abolish Money.
<Abolish Work.
<Abolish Commodity Production.
<Abolish the State.
<Abolish Class.
<Abolish Private Property.
<Abolish the Nation.
<Abolish Patriarchy.
<Abolish Gender.
<Abolish Town and Country.
If you don't think these are the ultimate goals for a communist party or organization to achieve, I'm sorry to say this but you're not a communist but rather just an edgy social democrat.
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>>2388114
it's just a crypto transphobic dogwhistle

>>2388307
Abolishing gender just means to stop assigning people gender at birth. It's only a knock on effect that if no one's cis, no one's trans either, not the foremost goal.

>>2388305
So what decides whether someone is a communist or not?

>>2388323
If you're a socialist that would want to move forward to communism from socialism after socialism is achived.

Sublate*

>>2388164
>>2388153
I don’t feel the emotionally attached to historically specific categories of domination enough to embrace anti-communism, unlike you

>>2388319
The two different physical sexes have differing medical needs you fucking idiot

>>2388191
>can easily be removed.
And who will be doing this removing? Maybe Mr Bronstein sitting in the Café Central?
I won't even get into what you believe is natural or "forever existing". You have to be "idealist" or metaphysically inclined to look at the issue (or any issue) like that in the first place.

the family has to a large extent already been abolished. it has not been abolished idealistically, but materially: birthrates plunge and you stick your parents in a retirement home. you are no longer economically interdependent. first the extended family gave way to the nuclear family, and now the nuclear family implodes.

everyone who reacts badly to this is horrified at the idea you might abolish the family, but they're perfectly comfortable with the fact that the family has already mostly been abolished, they would recoil in horror if you told them that they were now legally obliged to observe filial piety and do as their daddy tells them.

>>2388743
I don't believe anything is natural or forever existing.

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>>2388767
Well, that's good

>>2388744
this. people forgot that there generations ago people used to live in multigenerational housing, then two generations ago we got the nuclear family, and now we're getting rid of that, too.

>>2388767
read heraclitus or lao tzu
λόγος is the eternal order in chaos, like 道

>>2388821
>>2388744
Wez all gonna fraternize in le rental communal housigs as le working class?

>>2388528
Sex =/= gender

>>2388319
literal trans erasure

>>2367418
Go back to hexbear then

>>2388319
Healthcare pls

>>2388128
There are unknown knowables, known knowables…

>>2388839
well, probably. Read Cockshott in Towards a New Socialism, the chapter on the Commune

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>>2388854
I mean, me, I am an old man. So I may be susceptible to the occasional crude joke.
We love our trans lads and ladies around the real communist table tho.
It's a different timeline to the point it is a disparate concept in reality tho. Saying if no one's cis "normal", there is no more trans as a concept is quite distinct from saying "trans people don't exist right now", which you know, no one with any clue or connection to reality holds this view.

Abolishing the concept of gender itself is as much an aggression as communism is "prole erasure". I think it shows people can talk about very different things while appearing to be on the same page at least to some extent.

<Abolish The Family.
<Abolish Work.
<Abolish the Nation.
<Abolish Gender.
Good thing I'm an Anarchist so I don't have to believe edgy shit like this

>>2388839
Private homeownership is petty-bourgeois. Personal renting is not. No need to do some commune bullshit when the commie block and the tenement hall already exist. Sadly, the reactionaries are fighting like hell to preserve urban sprawl.

>>2389437
What kind of anarchist are you if you believe in preserving the fucking NATION?

>>2389513
Federalism, Socialism, Anti-Theologism by Mikhail Bakunin
<Recognition of the absolute right of each nation, great or small, of each people, weak or strong, of each province, of each commune, to complete autonomy, provided its internal constitution is not a threat or a danger to the autonomy and liberty of neighboring countries.
<The League will recognize nationality as a natural fact which has an incontestable right to a free existence and development
<revolution, i.e., the emancipation of nations and men.

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Abolish the Jew.

>abolish mommy because she doesn't let me smoke weed everyday in his basement!!!!!

Damn, wow, what a radical communist position!

>>2388825
Ancient philosophers should not inform your ideology.
>>2388839
I think the perfect living setup can be inspired by Tulou and big blocks of flats. Every individual gets their own bedroom, large enough for a single bed, desk and booskhelf (or whatever the building allows, if this is far in the future they can be as big as anyone wants) because a private, personal space is important for mental health and wellbeing. Sharing a bedroom sucks and we don't need to do that anymore, concrete is cheap after all. 5-10 rooms will make up a unit or apartment, who will share a kitchen, dining room and toilets. Generally you can hang out with everyone here to watch TV, cook meals for each other (or on your own if you don't want to), socialize on a day to day basis etc.. Then there will be floors or sections, or just the whole building if it is a smaller one. Each floor will allow everyone in it, maybe a hundred people, to go between units without being stopped so they can socialize with everyone. They will share recreation area and will do cultural festivals together in a central area. All the units will lead out into the central space. This space can also have lots of like community arts and crafts, pop up factories etc.. And then there is the whole building.

>>2389796
This would be the perfect living enviroment for me. Yes I really enjoyed university halls of residence.

>>2373266
>you cannot have the state and money
did you mean the state without money?

>>2373266
I mean really the state is an artifact of trade, money is just arbitrage par excellence. The state arises from trade because the trade in goods and services leads to the trade in workers and any system of slavery needs violent enforcement which is found under capitalism in the unrelenting violence of the state against the reserve pool of labor. The function of the state is not to oppress the workers, the function of the state is to oppress the reserve pool of labor. The capitalist pays the managerial strata to buy and sell labor, the capitalists and the managerial strata wash their hands of the violence themselves. The state and money are only a means to buy and sell workers, it is the buying and selling of workers which is the problem.

It follows to abolish money that the slaves must take up the slave trade themselves. LinkedIn, HR, all these services for selling the body must be seized by the working class and democratized. Only then can we abolish the wage and the state.

>>2389574
Commie blocks where workers have personal freedom is a communist position.

>>2389549
the fact that the nation is mentioned here does not mean you have to reify the nation as a concept.
the entitlement of every province to complete autonomy already implies within itself the abolition of nations, as such. granted complete autonomy there are two possibilities: regions will converge in such a way as to blur national boundaries, or regions will diverge in such a way as to blur national boundaries. even today, i wouldn't consider it contentious to say that (say) the scots at the scottish border and the english at the english border have many more things in common with one another than with their supposed co-nationals in the far north and far south respectively.

or, indeed, within scotland and england you could point to orkney+shetland or cornwall: they are not so nationally distinct as to have major independence movements, but they have high regional conciousness and a distinct ethnic/cultural background. to cut them off from scotland and england as different nations would be inaccurate, but it would equally be inaccurate to imagine them as just scottish or english. they're one of those awkward cases that shows the nation is really a weird little abstraction that doesn't necessarily stand up to close scrutiny - a nation is what a nation is, but at a certain point where every 50 square km is its own "nation", the nation has functionally been abolished.

In Communism, judaism is abolished because judaism = zionism.

Jews will never be free until Judaism is abolished, as Karl Marx demonstrates. Judaism must be abolished because judaism = zionism = capitalism. Humanity will never be free until judaism is abolished.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/
Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew – not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man – and turns them into commodities. Money is the universal self-established value of all things. It has, therefore, robbed the whole world – both the world of men and nature – of its specific value. Money is the estranged essence of man’s work and man’s existence, and this alien essence dominates him, and he worships it. The god of the Jews has become secularized and has become the god of the world. The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange. Once society has succeeded in abolishing the empirical essence of Judaism – huckstering and its preconditions – the Jew will have become impossible, because his consciousness no longer has an object, because the subjective basis of Judaism, practical need, has been humanized, and because the conflict between man’s individual-sensuous existence and his species-existence has been abolished. The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.

>>2390687
>Jews will never be free until Judaism is abolished, as Karl Marx demonstrates. Judaism must be abolished because judaism = zionism = capitalism. Humanity will never be free until judaism is abolished.
This is completely backwards, the whole point of "On the Jewish Question" is that simply doing away with Judaism or singling out Jews does nothing, as we are all the stereotypical archetype of the "Jew" in capitalism. Zionism in isolation is also not something which is equivalent to capitalism, its simply a ethno-nationalist settler colonial ideology, in the same lineage of all prior western settler colonial ideologies. Even it's conception of the state as ethnically based isn't unique, that's how all western states were conceptualized post the Treaty of Westphalia, of which Israel is just the latest iteration.

>>2390736
There will be jews under communism

>>2390739
>There will be religion, particularly religion as it's understood now, in communism
Funny.

>>2371046

worst bait I've ever seen

>>2390683
I mean no one is suggesting that the nation is a very concrete thing, to do that would be to fall into bourgeois nationalism, which Bakunin advises against as in actuality nationalism only serves to destroy actually existing organic nations in the quest for a singular reified nation to be utilized by the state.
>regions will converge in such a way as to blur national boundaries, or regions will diverge in such a way as to blur national boundaries.
National boundaries for us exist as they are, not as they somehow ought to be, as for the bourgeois nationalists. In both of these cases nations, distinct communities of people with distinct cultures, continue to exist, in some form or another, and that is what we mean by "free existence and development"

If you’re a westoid you’re not a communist.

>>2391141
If you westoid you die
Nothing personnel

>>2391151
Especially vile Anglos

>>2371046
Back in my day, trolling took effort 👴😵‍💫🥴

We can abolish the gender, but can we ablosh the biological sex?

>>2390736
Ooooh, so antisemitic of Marx.

>>2367220
You should put a gun to your head and
<Abolish life

>>2367220
Marx did none of the things listed here in the OP and was still a communist so I think it's fair to say that none of these are strict rules that are absolutely required.

>>2396631
in practice: yes. you wouldn't abolish it by name, but there are plenty of varied facets of the human condition that only come up in very specific contexts. blood type, for example, is a trivial medical detail for anyone not seeking a transfusion, and yet it takes on social roles beyond that practical matter, which are bizarre to an outside observer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_type_personality_theory#Discrimination

>>2367957
Why are you conflating nation with nation-State? You're dumb.


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