What the fuck is happening in Chile and why is socialism having a comeback there. Did the working class just decide that shitlibbery and being right-wing is cringe?
>>2370111jara is the only leftist candidate. the others are different flavors or rightoid so the vote gets split.
if anything this shows we're fucked and some right winger will win in the 2nd round.
>>2370123I love that the next chilean election is just
>Communist vs
<Escaped nazihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Kast>Michael Martín Kast Schindele (2 April 1924 – 9 May 2014) was a German-Chilean officer and businessman, along with being the founder of the Kast family in Chile. After Nazi Germany's defeat following the end of World War II, he settled in Chile, where many of his descendants have had important roles in Chilean politics, such as Miguel, José Antonio, Pablo and Felipe Kast.>Rebolledo and Guzmán also wrote that Kast (along with his son Miguel) were associated with the Pinochet dictatorship's National Information Center, taking part in the capture and forced disappearance of Pedro Vargas, who had been organizing workers at Kast's business.<Biological weapon manufacturer war criminal>Like Kast, Matthei has a father who will pose his own challenges for his daughter. Fernando Matthei Aubel, the son of a German military officer who was trained by the US Air Force, returned to Chile after the 1973 coup to become a general. During the dictatorship, General Matthei is said to have led the programme for the testing of bacteriological weapons against political prisoners.>His daughter, Evelyn, joined the military dictatorship government at its tail end to privatise the pension system. In 2024, The Economist said of her that she is the ‘woman who will lead Chile’s counterrevolution’. While Matthei tries to hide her extremism, she recently said that the deaths during the military dictatorship were inevitable.https://www.ciperchile.cl/2024/03/13/el-instituto-butantan-produjo-veneno-para-que-la-dictadura-chilena-asesinara-a-opositores/Literal cartoon villains
>braindead gringos once again shilling electoralism but this time its le based because its in le """third world""" and theyre using le Hammer and Sickle™actually do some minimum amount of research before clapping like morons lol
>>2370537>>2382679lmfao unironically kill yourselves, jara is doing the typical radlib shit during elections time of disavowing anything that might make her seem like an "extremist"
>>2370145>she isnt like that filthy socdem boric!!!!!!!!!!<she only had to do concessions to get accepted by the parties, making her in practice more of the same bullshitLMAO
>If she was part of Boric ideologically she would join his socdem party as well, wouldn't sheyou were a special needs kid werent you
I think Jara is good and she's gattering an amount of support never seen before for a communist in this country (actual chances of winning) in one of our most reactionary moments since 1990. This user is
>>2382810 >>2382819 is salty because his generic ML/trot splinter party is not getting the attention he wants. Simply ignore him.
>>2382810I'm not saying that it's good or bad that red socdems came to power. You're an idiot if you think that doing nothing rather than backing socdems against literal fucking nazis is a good idea. Like Kast and Matthei would grind you up as fuel for the rich. Do you want to be like Peru? Having a dumb cunt girl boss just massacreing people at the behest of both the west and china?
>not true socialismStill better than pinochet nazis coming to power you utter retard.
>>2383228This is retarded nonsense.
The first thing fascists do is cracking down on unions and leftists.
>>2383310That's not how it works you dumbfuck. Conditions will worsen because of the falling rate of profit, not because of fascism. Fascists will just make revolution less likely because they will kill everyone who may oppose them.
You only need to look at germany, italy, spain and hungary to understand.
>>2383316>retarded nonsensewhy, because you don't like it?
>The first thing fascists do is cracking down on unions and leftists.so do bourgeois democracies, but cracking down never stopped communists, the october revolution happened in spite of a reactionary government, liberal revolutions happened in some of the most extreme reactionary countries (like spain in 1931 and so on)
>>2383319>That's not how it works you dumbfuck. Conditions will worsen because of the falling rate of profit, not because of fascism.both can be true, but conditions worsen more for the average worker under fascism, which actually creates revolutions more than the rate of profit falling
>Fascists will just make revolution less likely because they will kill everyone who may oppose them.You only need to look at germany, italy, spain and hungary to understand.
you can kill a generation of revolutionaries but it was never even effective, the communists in italy were weak even before the fascist regime, yet when it fell they were strengthened the most, the yugoslav partisans for all their problems came out the strongest despite being under one of the harshest fascist occupations in history, the only one that is accurate there is spain, but in every other case it made revolution more likely
>>2383027>Xiposting<they're a communist because they call themselves a communist (ignore the milquetoast liberal program)It's funny how Haztards get banned on sight but electoralist garbage is given free reign.
>salty because his generic ML/trot splinter party is not getting the attention he wantsI'm in a union, not any irrelevant party.
>>2370111In 1999 Jara asked to vote for Lagos when Gladys and the "communist" party abstained in the second round, around that same time she stopped her communist militancy, supported Pavez against Gladys Marín lol.
No single communist union leader would have even met the big bosses of Chile, that's all I'm saying. Jara is not going to give a shit about us. Barbara Figueroa did the same shit with Sutil.
These "renewed" "communists" valen callampa. 🍄
>>2383228>and often after a fascist or hyperreactionary regime, the response is highly revolutionaryOr conservative. People seem just as likely to want stability under some Christian Democrat party after fascist radicalism.
>>2383326>the october revolution happened in spite of a reactionary governmentDidn't the October Revolution overthrow a socdem government? It was the Februrary Revolution that overthrew the Tsar.
>>2383717Yes but until you have emboldened the class consciousness of people and strengthened the revolutionary movement
through electoralism you will be left with a revolution with no vanguard
>>2383726>class consciousness means when you think about communismLol you are a massive fucking retard. Class consciousness is when the proletariat associates with each other in struggle against capital, not when voting, especially not when the poorer you are the less likely you are to engage in electoralism anyway.
The proletariat is not dumb, they already realized on their own that electoralism mostly benefits the middle classes.
You know we're filled with retarded libs who just repeat idiocy they saw on some tweet that sounded smart to them because every fucking thread devolves into a discussion about Fascism(tm).
>>2383729>fascism is not an ideology, but a material reality<this is why it can happen multiple times because I conveniently defined it in abstract liberal terms instead of as a distinct movement with its own basis and characteristics"Capitalism in decay" is one of the most retarded and vague leftoid sloganeering ever. Fascism was a specific historical movement in response to the growing proletarian association and middle-class anxiety of the time.
>>2383738>this is why it can happen multiple timesIt can and has.
> I conveniently defined it in abstract liberal termsNo, just a definition accepted by the Comintern in the 1930s.
>Capitalism in decayThat is the shortened down, overly simplified version of what was written in Fascism and Social Revolution.
>>2383734>still not understanding what "class consciousness" meansIt's terminal.
To you morons fascism becomes an alibi for more "acceptable", "desirable", "conducive" forms of bourgeois society, yet the conclusions of any analysis of political economy and bourgeois society means that any form of it is inherently oppressive, most especially to the proletariat.
You annoying liberals are ultimately asking the working class to distinguish the pissiness between cat piss and dog piss, if it's cat piss or dog piss, when their interests lie in cleaning the piss up in the first place.
>>2383739>erm I'm right because I'm using terms as accepted by the Comintern>no I will not elaborate furtherThe absolute state of this shithole, man.
>>2383743>radicalized by the Bernie ratfuckLmao. Can you explain what the fuck this actually means in practice?
>democracy is part of the popular political consciousnessYeah and exactly why communists are against it. Communism is not about "the masses".
>>2383807Liberal truth nuke
Marxists are against leftism (liberalism)
>>2383997>"democratic centralism"semantics
Lenin viewed democracy as a flexible method of organization, not an eternal truth. He was against democracy in principle as he was for abolishing class, the state itself and their superstructure. The proof of this is in democratic method being relegated to workers councils and unions, and no essential party affairs.
>>2384048All of this is even more ridiculous when you realize that we have right before our eyes a fucking ancap psycho as a neighbor, the example of Bolsonaro in Brazil and also whatever the shit Trump is doing.
"Elections don't matter" my ass, i still remember how some leftist ""intellectuals"" claimed that Milei was gonna govern the same way as Fernandez/Massa, now they look like clowns.
>You people care way too fucking much about purity or terminology nobody gives a fuck about.Remember, this is leftypol. This site gathers the weirdest people of leftist ideologies as much as /pol/ does it for the right wing.
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