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Not reporting is bourgeois


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The Fourteen Hundred Million Zhonghua Renmin yearn for the Diaoyu Dao.

i would rather be a chinese person born now than an american born in 1950, but alas i am an american born in the 90s, a pathetic creature doomed to irrelevance

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Did some strategic country just join into the belt and road project.

It won’t matter to the western press but we’ll probably see an openly gay member of the NPC soon

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>>2371517
Mexico is going to the next brics summit

>>2371242 (pic)
>It's me, Xi
>I'm logged in
>Ready to upload data
<Hits ENTER key on the keyboard
<Cut to stereotypical "haxor" lines in green running on his computer screen
>I'm in
<Starts profusely typing on the keyboard, his typing speed is astronomical
<Objective completed

Have a nice day

>>2371266
YES

I WANT ORDER

I WANT DEVELOPMENT

I WANT CHYNAH 2050

COMRADE XI IS MY GUIDE

There have been more than thousand strikes in chynah this year. Chynah repressed workers and bend the knee to usa

>>2371266
Long live the supreme working class of the 4000 years old civilization known as China

Does Xi want to restore the right to strike in the Chinese constitution?

>>2371518
what the fuck anon, this is just you just making a blind claim.

It won’t matter to the western press but we’ll probably see an african chairman of the CPC soon

>>2371672
>Meanwhile, in FACT-land
There has been more than thousand strikes in China this year, as encouraged by the proletarian state apparatus of Chin@. Chin@ repressed its internal bourgeoisie and kept on overcoming the US economy.

u live in, and report from a parallel dimension, my friend!

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>>2371517
hey li'l uygha from across the country, lemme hold a kidney.

>>2371789 (samefag)
>>2371672 (samefag)
….. imagine being a paid CIA glowie shill and within two subsequent posts claiming that
>CHHONAH has strikes
but also
>ChÉÉNAh does not allow strikes
Like, (k)N-EE-GAHW, make up your mind

>>2371807
I'm not that other anon. I'm literally just asking a question.

>>2371517
China be like
>uygha, I took your kidney before
<IMA GONNA TAEK 3 KIDNEYS FROM YOU FROM NOW ON

>>2371672
>>2371804
>two posts
>no sources
ignored

>>2371809
I'm not that other anon either, but I'm thinking you might be developmentally stalled in one way or form

>>2371813
Either answer the question or don't.


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>>2371812
>>>>no sources
Niguh, "we" in the "West" are struggling due to inflation, which means that out real wages allow us access less and less to food and rent and shit, while the Chinese are experiencing deflation, meaning their real wages are automatically worth more, and their p-bourg cry about muh prices and having to offer more for less cash.

It's literally picrel, you utter faggot, you scum, you pestilence, you sociopath!

>>2371822
>inflation, which means that out real wages
* our

Sry

>>2371815
but i did

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>>2371819
>Another generic liberal party announced its dissolution after being BTFOed by the National Security Law and defunded by DOGE.

Were there strikes in china? More than thousand? Why? Why are chinese workers striking? Did party tell them to?

>>2371841
<a transitional country is experiencing the contradictions of building socialism
>so they are imperialist?

Tiny pp energy

China

>>2371841
>Were there strikes in china?
YES
>More than thousand?
ONE WOULD HOPE, YES
>Why?
BECAUSE THE FUCKING CHINESE DICTATORSHIP OF THE PLOTETARIAT ENCOUREGES THEM
>Why are chinese workers striking?
BECAUSE THEY HAVE CONCRETE REASONS TO
>Did party tell them to?
NO, THE "PARTY" DIDN'T "TELL" THEM SHIT, THEY STRIKED, BECAUSE THEY HAD REASONS TO

literal fucking CIA-glowuyghur reddit libshit

>>2371861
Rather controversial, tbh

>>2371861
I disagree with this statement.

>>2371841
>Did party tell them to?
Yes, anon, under totalitarian dictatorships (tm) everything that the people do are ordered by the party.

You are obviously not a libshit, btw, and your understanding of historic processes is great!

>>2371672
>There have been more than thousand strikes in chynah this year.
Based!

Long live the Chinese DotP!

>>2371266 (eternal)

>>2371266
China is literally the future, lmao

Would have never guessed that I'd be saying this in the 90's

Chinese police didnt do anything about strikes?

>In the midst of the “trade war” between the world’s two dominant imperialisms, the US Treasury Secretary made a trip to Beijing in the spring of 2025. A so-called “truce” was then negotiated in early June, resulting in much higher US tariffs on China and lower Chinese tariffs than those in place before January, when the new American government took office. Framed as an effort to accomplish fair terms for the U.S., these trade negotiations were in reality an act of gunboat diplomacy by US finance capital to subordinate the Chinese capitalist class which is currently grappling with an increasingly serious crisis. In the foreground of the talks a bubbling workers movement has begun to organize itself outside the official Chinese regime union structure taking independent combative action, representing a potential prelude to the future resurgence of the mass class struggle.

>While U.S. and Chinese officials spoke of finance and diplomacy, the reality behind their words was fear, of both economic collapse and the ever looming potential for such a crisis to result in a proletarian eruption from the industrial foundations of China. In recent years the Chinese labor movement has seen increasing activity. According to the China Labor Bulletin, there were 434 factory strikes in 2023, a dramatic increase compared to 2022 when only 37 occurred and only 66 in 2021. In 2024 the trend continued to grow with China Labor Bulletin (CLB) recording 1,509 labor protests/strikes, including 719 in just the first half of the year, indicating relatively sustained high levels of unrest. Between January and April of this year CLB reported that approximately 540 incidents were recorded, with 171 strikes in January alone.

>The upward trend of strike activity has only continued. As a result of the tariffs and factory closures, from April until the writing of this article in June, China has been the scene of escalating proletarian dissent and independent collective action organized outside the states domineering regime union structure. On April 24, hundreds of workers of Guangxin Sports Goods in Dao county went on strike after the company’s factory was shut down without paying employees their compensation or their social security benefits. Workers struck in the Shangda Electronics’ factory that manufactures circuit boards, after not being paid wages since the start of the year and social security benefits for nearly two years. On April 28, a large-scale workers’ protest broke out in Wuzhen, eastern China, over wages that have been reportedly unpaid since January where over a thousand went to the town hall to protest and a dozen were arrested. Workers at Yunda Express in Chengdu, Dongguan and Dao County went on strike and took to the streets against factory closures. Workers’ protests also took place in the autonomous region of Inner Mongolia, against the non-payment of wages. In the southwestern province of Sichuan, a textile factory was set on fire over unpaid wages, preceding the fire, affected workers had staged vigils, filed wage claims and protest sit=ins, decrying the absence of legal recourse, but state enforcement remained absent until the extreme act of arson forced their plight into the public eye, generating a viral response across Chinese social media. Online platforms quickly dubbed the arsonist “Brother 800”, with thousands of posts expressing sympathy, calling his act a desperate "lesson for exploitative bosses", and condemning delayed wage enforcement, though authorities later labeled the “800 yuan” narrative a rumor.

>The Chinese capitalist class, unable to resolve the crisis, has so far responded with state violence. Protesters are beaten, arrested, and disappeared. Amid the mounting repression, Hong Kong based Chinese Labor Bulletin which has for years reported on the developing Chinese labor movement mysteriously shut down operations starting on June 12 that it “can no longer maintain operations”, closing its website and social media.

>The All-China Federation of Trade Unions has echoed Chinese Communist Party leadership by emphasizing the need for “harmonious labor relations”, wage negotiation mechanisms, and workplace stability, particularly as it marked its 100th anniversary in April. While it has formally ignored directly commenting on the strikes in official comments, along with top CCP officials it has warned of “mounting employment pressures” and stressed that “jobs are the foundation of social stability”in recent public statements. Recently, ACFTU has also promoted state-guided collective bargaining reforms in provinces like Guangdong, feigned as democratization measures, while simultaneously working to defuse strikes or mass worker mobilizations.


>The rising proletarian activity is not a collection of isolated incidents, but the initial pangs of the working masses spontaneous return to class struggle, albeit not yet led by its party with its program of action, not yet organized within class unions, but already appearing again onto the historical scene with barricades, fists, and fire spreading throughout the world at the onset of the looming economic cataclysm of capital and it’s future inter-imperialist war. The American bourgeoisie watches with concern and calculation. Trump claimed to have struck a “quick deal” with China to “save them from what I thought was going to be a very bad situation”. The harsh tariffs were not partially revoked out of generosity, but because adequate concessions were made to shore up U.S. financial dominance while simultaneously balancing the reality that behind all of the U.S. maneuvers to destabilize the CCP it is tempered by the risk of inadvertently breathing life into a renewed class militancy within the Chinese working class who toil within the world’s preeminent industrial power house.

Unfortunately the CLB isn't necessarely trustworthy. The founder Han Dongfang has collaborated with Radio Free Asia. I wouldn't take their word without external confirmation.

>>2371923
Man, you are like a start student who says the answer before dumbass can answer the question. I wanted to see what they have to say, but no, you have to ruin it, smartass

>>2371924
Schizo

>>2371908
THEY ALLOWED THEM

how much influence does the new left faction have in the CPC?

>>2371918
>>2371914
>>2371912
>>2371910
U thought this was ethical formatting?

>>2371935
I didnt think

>>2371863
>>2371933
Anarchism is literally retardedness

>>2371934
How much influence does leftypol have in the U.S. government?

>>2371940
The U.S Government doesn't have a leftypol faction.

>>2371936
Based. Not thinking (like, at all) is very prole thinking (sadly): only the stomach matters


>>2371943
Yellow

There were no strikes. No proofs. Fengdong collaborated with le bad organization

>CPC offical Feng Wei in his speech in xiv plenum of cpc said that the amount of strikes are exaggerated. He also said the those few strikes are staged by the elements under the foreing influence

>>2371841
if there were no strikes in china, you would cite this as evidence the chinese proletariat are too cowed by the ccp to exert control over the means of production


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New J-20 variants (including the twin seats variant) have a new black stealth coating. Pretty cool. Wonder if it's done to differentiate between the naval fighter scheme which is light gray/white.

>>2372090
Aren't these ones designed to launch off the new flat-platformed carriers China has just finished building. Which would mean China is officially up to standard with even the newest American carriers.

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>>2372095
No, J-20 are for air force exclusively. You're thinking of J-35 which are also 5th gen fighters but smaller. They'll be adopted in the navy as carrierborne 5th gen complement to J-15 while the land and export based variant, the J-35A will be adopted for the air force.

The newest electromagnetic catapult American carrier, the Ford class (only 1 so far), hilariously enough can't deploy the 5th gen F-35C fighters.
Only 6 out of 10 of older steam catapult Nimitz class carriers can launch them. Shanghai shipyard is constructing second conventionally powered sister carrier to Type 003 while Dalian is constructing the first ever nuclear powered carrier - the Type 004. Yes 2 supercarriers under construction. And seeing how fast Chinese shipbuilding is, it's safe to say that at least one of them will be completed before America finishes the second Ford.

USN has 11 nuclear carriers. Oldest Nimitz is retiring next year. China has 3 conventionally powered carriers with 2 of them being Soviet style ski jump carriers and 1 with electromagnetic catapult. Granted their smaller amphibious assault (heli carrier), Type 076, has a single electromagnetic catapult meaning it can potentially launch 5th gen fighters too but it'll probably be a drone carrier instead. Meaning that even though only half of American fleet can launch 5th gen fighters, Americans still have quantitative and qualitative edge over Chinese carriers. But still this isn't really a fair comparison. China operationalized carriers for the first time a decade ago - Americans had carriers since WW2. Also Americans need (or at least needed* before the modern hypersonic carrier killer upset) carriers to power project across the world in order to support their 800 international military bases and global empire shenanigans. The Chinese don't even need half of that for national/regional defense - they're building it for prestige and BRI sea lane securing.

In 20 or so years, if this shipbuilding trend continues on both sides, China will catch up both in numbers and in quality since most of the 1980s Nimitz will be retired while Fords won't be constructed as fast.

Aircraft carriers are bourgeosie wunderwaffe degeneracy

>>2371517
Absolute state of western propaganda.

>>2372173
>t. doesn't understand modern naval warfare
Although to be fair with you, US Carrier Fleets no longer have the relevance and power they once had because China has developed a missile system that would make the effectiveness of carriers in the South China Sea obsolete. America would not be able to scramble its aircraft fast enough for it is struck by an anti-ship missile.

>>2372183
>warfare


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>>2372173
If you use them for power projection imperialism against tiny countries like Yemen, then yes. You'd be right.

But using them to counter American imperialism, even in a way where it's just a war by industrial attrition and not a direct engagement, then it's based.

Also it's nice to inspire the next generation to be feel safe and be patriotic AND to dab on the Japanese/American marines in Asia with freedom of navigation patrols.
If you want accurate tracking of Chinese carrier strike group patrols and exact number of J-15 sorties, then just follow the Japanese news and tweets. They can't shut the fuck up about them in a weird mix of seething, admiration and fearmongering type of way. Both Taiwanese and Japanese TV shit stirrers had to admit they were impressed that they never detected a single mishap by the Chinese during their various exercises in the region, despite the common narrative that Chinese military equipment is faulty.

Look at the reporter comparing Chinese carriers to Imperial Japanese carriers lol. Like dick measuring. It's interesting how the best Chinese military parade montages on Youtube are made by a Japanese guy https://www.youtube.com/@HakushinChannel/videos with even the Chinese writing in the comments how this guy is "more Red than our own media directors". No to be orientalist or racist or anything but Japanese culture is pretty unique in a way how they begrudgingly respect strength. They kneel to America now because they've been soundly defeated but they shared this type of feeling for Chinese Tang dynasty too. The best way to defang Japan is simply to intimidate them.

>>2372231
Japanese are samurais who think strength makes one right

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>>2372235
Yeah that's orientalism. I thought it, you said it.

>>2372268
>muh orientalism
Its materialism

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Nick Land is really living his life in xeno-China-X rigth now

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even the footsoldiers of anti china shitlib publications cannot deny reality after seeing china for themeslves

love seeing capitalism consume itself

>>2372454
now is the time of monsters

>>2372461
the flame is always brightest before its snuffed out

This video does not consider the thesis that another well-substantiated video argued: that Xi had not made a single appearance outside his residence after a sudden absence during a major party event. The thesis is he had a health crisis, which kicked off a power struggle, and he is now under house arrest. Even if this is false, BRICS is playing out as I predicted: all hat and no cattle (ex facilitating bilateral trade financial plumbing, which is very important). Even Mohammed Marandi, when Nima brought up BRICS in the past week, almost sighed when Nima mentioned BRICS and said what mattered was not BRICS but the idea of
BRICS and organizations like the SCO which were advancing the BRICS philosophy. That correction said to me was Marandi signaling that BRICS has been overhyped and the focus needs to be on the paramount BRICS aim of multipolarity, and not the supposed organization, which as of today, does not even have a budget.

>>2372447
I have to wonder what, assuming he's capable, Friedman is feeling right now. He's gotten everything he's ever wanted. All the rotten policies. All the anti worker regulations. All the rich men that his dreck has made even richer. He's gotten everything he desired and more, and now he gets to see what it all amounts to.

>>2371572
you, the reader

>>2372467
>The thesis is he had a health crisis, which kicked off a power struggle, and he is now under house arrest.
Any chance at all that this is true? I read an article by some spook in the NY Post about it, but it's so full of obvious propaganda that it's difficult to tell if there's a kernel of truth there or completely made up.

>>2372483
It's as true as Putin's third tumor.

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>>2372394
Love to see it.

>>2372483
sounds like obvious bullshit

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>>2372467
brics is about providing funding for projects so countries don't have to be dependent on western dominated financial instiutions like the world bank and IMF that are ran by neoliberal gangsters. it also partly focuses on trading in their own currency. and brics doesn't have a budget because they established theor own bank with equity participation called the new development bank. speaking of brazil, here's an old list of some the projects that have been funded as a result. also brics just expanded to 20 countries - 10 members and 10 partners - after adding Vietnam in june 2025.

BRICS+ now makes up 44% of world GDP (PPP) and 56% of the global population.

>>2372514
Good. The quicker Brics enforces dedollarisation the quicker the US Empire dies.

>>2371912
>China Labor Bulletin
lmao literal radio free asia shit
worthless

>>2372514
yeah but what he's trying to say is that BRICS is an economic association and nothing more, it doesn't have the weight in politics that people think it does. That's why India is a founding member despite its (mostly) western alignment

https://thefloutist.substack.com/p/chongqing-global-and-invisible

“Chongqing, global and invisible.”

<The West's 'wall of ognorance.'


<Guy Mettan, the prominent Swiss journalist, returns to The Floutist’s pages with this very fine piece on Chongqing, written after a recent visit. We like it for its exploration of China’s aspirations as these are manifest in advanced technologies and their applications. In this it is a reminder of how, obsessed as we are with China as a malevolent, globally ambitious menace, we are blinded to the nation as it is. More than this, Guy gives us a close-in view of a phenomenon that is evident to one or another degree across East Asia. This is the rediscovery among Asians of their Asianness—a salutary self-centeredness in the best meaning of this term. To modernize, at long last, no longer means to Westernize: This is a turn in consciousness of world-historical significance, in our view. Guy Mettan shows us what it looks like.

>>2372467
well BRICS isnt a military alliance and wasn't supposed to be. someone said recently that they dont even want multipolarity because multiple poles implies a sort of split hegemony, they want a world international law based system where countries are equals and BRICS is just a method for doing that financially in sectors where the US is coercive and ignores international law.

>is Choynah doing "stuff" that pisses off Westoids??
<Y
Good! Long live Xi

they doubted the immortal science of Xi Jinping Thought

>>2372580
They should be executef, then, including ,,(u)

>>2372584
Under the immortal science of Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for the New Era guided by Xi Jinping Thought, you will be taught to spell.

>>2372501
Cia, plz get new material, ok?

>>2372587
Im ok with that

>>2372593
India is literally an occupied territory. Due to the Naxal threat, they "had" to import foreign forces (USA).

>>2372473
>@31:48 You know, I feel like two and a half, three years ago, people were very, very optimistic about the rise of multipolarity and BRICS potential to challenge Western hegemony, especially seeing China's rise as a superpower, as an economic superpower. But that was before the genocide in Gaza. And what the genocide has shown is that the US empire is maybe not quite as close to collapsing as others as some may have liked may have hoped for and BRICS countries aren't really able to restrain the USIsrael alliance or come to the defense of its members. So I mean we're almost 2 years in into the Gaza genocide. it doesn't really seem to be slowing down and the devastation is just unimaginable. So I mean how do you evaluate multipolarity now like given all that and given the optimism surrounding it just a few years ago how has the balance of the balance of forces have they really changed?

>Well, I mean this is a very tough question because we're in the middle of major changes in world affairs. The first thing is in 2009 when the BRICS was formed as a body, it was effectively a trade body. These were large countries in the global south that understood that the markets in the United States and Europe after the big credit crisis in the North Atlantic states you remember the housing crisis in 2007 and 8. After that these countries felt look we need to trade with each other more. We can't rely on US and European markets for our goods and services. So the initial BRICS was basically a commercial trade venture. And there was some pushing and proddding at the edges on politics.


>For instance, permanent seats at the United Nations and so on. But even here there was a lot of disagreements. I mean China was not sure and continues to be not sure about India getting a permanent seat at the security council. There is no permanent Latin American seat, there is no permanent African seat. these issues were on the table but nobody really was putting them forward banging away you know why isn't there an African country with a permanent seat at this have you heard anybody no it's not a big issue over the course of the last decade particularly as matters have got more and more uneasy the United States really going crazy the pivot to China I mean what pivot to China that was in 2011 11 2 years after the BRICS was formed. You know what was the United States? What did they want to do? You know, you want to blow things up.


>The BRICS got a little more active at that time. You know, there was a little more concern about militarism. There was concern about, for instance, the bombing of Gaza in 2014. BRICS felt the need to make a statement about that and so on. And you began to see the BRICS position itself as a block of peace and development as against the western block of war and austerity. There was this slight disagreement between the BRICS and the global north on these issues. But it wasn't some major break because even when the BRICS created a new development bank the so-called BRICS bank when they tried to develop an alternative to the IMF the international monetary fund it was called a contingency reserve arrangement didn't really take off but all of these instrents were not so different than the western instrents they were not completely detached from western financial systems it's when the west started to sanction everybody everybody, you know, particularly Russia and and even China and, you know, when Trump first went after China with the trade war, these countries began to understand the world differently. Like, you know, if we're going to get attacked by the West, if we're going to get thrown out of the international financial system by the West, we've got to build our own stuff. So, they started actually to accelerate some of these processes.


>The term multipolarity comes from American political science which likes these binaries between unipolarity and multipolarity. I don't think these are useful I don't think there really ever was a unipolar system. I think the United States attempted to become unipolar but even then you know there were always so-called rogue states that were not obeying the great master there was always Cuba and there was Venezuela and these countries that said we don't agree with system, you know, we're not going to accept it.


>So these terms from US political science shouldn't be taken uncritically and just used. I don't think the BRICS wants to establish a multipolar order.

<What they want is a more balanced international order. They want a multilateral system, you know, where the United Nations is the core body and and you multilaterally deal with problems and so on. Not that there's a US pole and a Chinese pole and a nobody wants that. That's that's the worst way to think about world affairs. You know, the Chinese certainly don't want to create a Chinese pole. You know, they want to be part of a multilateral system, a multilateral international system, United Nations charter at the center center of it.

>So these terms I don't know where they actually came into popular discourse but but they are kind of nerdy US political science terms which I completely don't use and I think they are they are really not relevant to the actual developments taking place in the world. So I think there are great changes happening. There is an attempt by these countries to push for a more multilateral system but they have their contradictions between each other.


>You know things are not so easy. Many of them don't get along. They have very different political systems. China is led by a communist party. India has been since 2014 led by a right-wing political party. Russia is led by a patriotic block but it's not a left-wing block. These countries are all different. Brazil oscillated between the center left and the far right. I mean what are we talking about? Yeah they don't have the same political viewpoints. Very difficult for them to just come together and be like hey listen let's create a pole. It's not going to happen like that.

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>>2371517
CIA propaganda used to be believable

>>2371517
this is literally word for word Fulan Gong propaganda

>>2372593
yes you're right but BRICS is not the driving force of multipolarity, it's the beneficiary of it, China and Russia had to become superpowers first before they could offer an economic alternative for the rest of the world, because that's all BRICS is, not a diplomatic alliance but an economic framework based on trust

>>2371517
Vietnam joined BRICS despite the pressure. Also Iran is buying J-10s.

>>2372618
They are a partner member. But yes you are right. Americas trade deal with Vietnam is ironic but regardless Vietnam is now less under the economic influence of America than before.

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Another 10 gorillion printed monopoly money for another .png file on some pentagon boomer's macbook. This will surely help the rust belt import more Chinese alloys to counter the Chinese air force.

Guys do you remember the unironic NGAD schizo that used to post here few months ago? Wonder what he's up to ever since J-50 and J-36 first flew publicly. Maybe he went back to the /k/ope shed.

>>2372632
These are literal wundewaffles. The US knows they cannot out-manufacture the Chinese so they're building highly specialised garbage jets and defences to keep up.
Because that worked so well for the Nazis.

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I can't keep up with these developments: China has an EKRANOPLAN prototype. Dude WHAT the fuck a motherfucking ekranoplan revival out of nowhere? Imagine if they were to make an amphibious assault variant capable of carrying armored ground vehicles. Fuck barges or landing docks these things would practically teleport to Taiwan.

Sovietbros… We're so McFucking back…

vietnam may be joining BRICS full on in the upcoming BRICS summit in Rio

Eternal solidarity to the working classes of China

That is all


>>2372632
The Chinese alloy situation was already extremely limited and already happening.

>>2372654
Sorry, but bruh,
>EKRANOPLAN
I had to google this, Wiki this, and even afterwards I have no idea what an EKRANOPLAN is or supposed to be. Could you please knowledge me up on EKRANOPLANs?

Thx baby

>>2372654
neat. I hope they revive airships next



>>2372753
its a specific kind of vehicle thats basically a plane that only fly a few meters above water, exploiting the fact you get additional lift when you're close to the groud (or sea). It allows to lift very heavy load and be fast, but its cost and specific usage means its basically only used for military purpose, to do very fast naval landing

>>2372776
gottem

There are no strikes in Communist China

strait status?

>>2372756
actually, given there were projects for aircraft carrier airships… drone carrier airship when?



>>2372781
Thx bby

Imagine reading this thread as it stands 20 years in the future. Fucking barbarians, all of you, so called "China skeptics."

Barbarians, no exception. All of you.

>>2372933
humanity will be extinct in 20 years

I love how LeftyPol is the new testing ground for the next generation of psyop. But I also love how it'll be completely irrelevant once China gets its EUV and its drone swarms defeat the US in East Asia, cutting it from 40-50% of global semiconductor production.

>>2372611
a lot of very stupid people do believe it still.

>>2372933
in 20 years they will finally have caught up to where everyone else is now

>>2372733
They can cope that they "resolved" it but then there's an even bigger elephant in the room - rare earths. American MIC does not work without China. Simple as.

>>2373256
I doubt Americans will have their own space station and maglev in 20 years. Maybe in 40 if they reindustrialize instead of balkanizing. For now they should be focusing on last decade tech like 5G and hypersonics.

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>>2372857
>drone carrier airship when
Jiu Tian. Also referred to as "Drone mothership" is a High-Altitude Long-Endurance (HALE) drone capable of carrying and deploying both Geran/Shahed type kamikaze drones and normal quadcopters. Basically an infantry eraser.

In flight testing since May of this year, awaiting for mass production and adoption. Maybe even export since it was at Zhuhai.

>>2372756
They're already reviving it for ferrying and tourism. AS700 had conducted regional test flights few months ago and some have already been delivered to some operators.

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>>2372974
Our communist texts will be buried, ready to warn some future species just like a Mayan fucking calendar.

>>2372857
china gon make the arsenal bird

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>>2373483
Kino. Envious of HKers that got to see it up close.

>>2372376
Anyone who says China doesn't have freedom of speech needs to explain to me how a sentient meth rock has citizenship.
> Later, he moved to China and re-emerged as a figure on the political right
Thanks China!

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*blows up blue shell with mind*

>>2373500
China is doing everything Elon Musk claimed to be able to achieve, but they actually do it.

The Yomiuri Shimbun reports that the >Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force will export six Abukuma-class destroyer escorts to the Armed Forces of the Philippines to counter "Chinese expansionism" in the South China Sea.

>>2373525
Hot take I know, but I don't trust the Zionist supporting Chinese with chips in anyone's brain.

>>2373571
do you also think the Venezuelans are zionist

>>2373571
>Zionist supporting Chinese
Ok enough internet for today.

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>>2373571
kys glowie

>>2373574
>Chavez was trading with Israel while bashing them on television
kek what a sly dog

>>2372933
In 20 years Xi has been softcouped by a neoliberal nationalist.

>>2373605
>Xi has been couped
Source: Dude Trust Me I have an uncle in Beijing

>>2373599
>Lenin was trading with Britain while bashing them in literature
kek what a sly dog

>>2373605
>by a neoliberal nationalist.
That neoliberal? Xi Jinping.

>>2373629
explain how he is a neoliberal

>>2373599
>>2373627
It just proves that to be an effective socialist or communist leader you have to be highly opportunist and make tons of compromises. Ultras BTFO yet again.

>>2373640
trading essential resources with bourgeois nations does not compromise socialism, that's idealist nonsense with no basis in actuality.

>>2373622
my dad works for china and he could beat up your uncle

The 17th BRICS Summit opens in Rio de Janeiro.

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>CHINA BUILT 3,500 CITIES TOO MANY
wait, your country is building new cities?

>>2373685
building homes for every individual and family in china is actually le bad because it's a "waste of money" or something
now please worship my cult where we believe heaven is racially segregated and our organs have magical powers

>>2373687
Come on comrade, no need to circlejerk on this board.

>>2373685
They didn't built those 3500 cities, they just "emerged" as ghosts because of "spectacular missteps", probably some magic spell gone wrong.

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Han Kuang, the annual major military exercise of the Republic of China Armed Forces, is set to begin next week. With approximately 22,000 reservists to be mobilized, the most in the drill's history

>>2373712
the ghosts of thousands and thousands of red guard spectres build cities randomly without the CPCs permission, entirely out of their collective will to build the revolution

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>>2373685
china actually only has 300 million people

>>2373759
>47 days
has that passed already

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>>2373762
UPDATE: it collapsed

Why doesn't China infiltrate the Taiwanese government for a "color revolution" for their own gain? Amerikkka did this shit effortlessly with bigger countries that didn't belong to them

>>2373769
we did it reddit
we collapsed china

>>2373771
Because China isn't imperialist
China is known to infiltrate Taiwanese social media and support both the left Labor Party and the right KMT which both want Chinese unification. Taiwanese army officers also have a tendency to give China top secret information.

>>2373782
>Because China isn't imperialist
It wouldn't be imperialist if they put every soldier they had into Taiwan killing every taiwanese soldier there anyway. Taiwan is part of Chynah, no matter how much it makes westoids seethe and "Taiwanese" have no right to this place since they genocided the natives and their own people there anyway.

>>2373817
The point is there is no need to invade Taiwan until it is absolutely clear there is no peaceful alternative. Taiwan with its porcupine strategy is determined absolutely destroy itself and its strategic assets in the event of an invasion.

>>2372447
>even the footsoldiers of anti china shitlib publications cannot deny reality after seeing china for themeslves
Those who want to play the "china is still a developing country" will


>>2373989
Finally some truth coming out of that corpse of a president.

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this guy really just says random things and never provides any source

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>>2374089
If You Would Please Consult the Chang Graph

>>2374107
Chang Gang
Chang Gang

>>2373989
why is the trump clip so quiet

>>2373598
but china sometimes sells food and clothes to israel. checkmate leftoid.

China doesnt produce nato standard weapons, why would israel buy them

>>2373598
china is literally not on the graph because it's giving the weapons for free to israel to get some testing done because it's ML and wants to genocide proles for no fucking reason

>>2374222
do you have any source on that

>>2374226
he's being facetious

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>cuba will probably get high speed rail before america
absolute state

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>>2374508
>ethiopia and brazil will have higher EV adoption than america
Grim

>>2374558
that is the most beautiful container ship design I have ever seen
when is it being built

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>>2374560
It's not a container ship, it's a car carrier. Unlike RoRo ships, car carriers are exclusively for cars. BYD ordered a fleet of 8 ships because they're about to conquer the world and kill all legacy automakers. They're brand new. That one is being delivered this year.

If you're a Ford or a VW employee you'd rather see enemy nation's destroyers than these ships because Chinese EV companies will unironically do more damage to western economies than an outright war with Russia or whatever.

>>2374570
fuckkk im so upset they're not street legal in america. no fun allowed

>>2374573
BYDs aren't street legal?

>>2374577
yeah even if you buy a BYD in Mexico or Canada and drove it across the border you can't register it

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>>2374573
Yeah they're just delaying the inevitable. America will get stuck in the past while the rest of the world will be riding/flying Chinese automated solar powered wunderwagons. But Ford and friends will not use that time to improve because they can just lobby the revolving door puppets into letting them abuse the slave proles with their shit cars. Forever.

>>2374577
Americans imposed 100% tariff on Chinese cars, and Chinese companies don't even bother with American market. However in the past, before this whole schizophrenia started, you could technically drive Chinese EVs by importing them. But now you can't even do that anymore. They are taken off the streets due to good ol' "National Security Risks" because of course if even the Chinese coffee machines, TikTok and port cranes are spying on you then you can bet your ass Chinese cars do too. According to White House boomers that is.

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>>2374584
Btw the car that Ford CEO is talking about and that picture in Doug's webm is Xiaomi SU7. The very FIRST car Xiaomi, a mobile phone company (they make other home appliances but whatever) made. Their first attempt. It sold out in minutes and they later made track versions which broke records at Nürburgring.

Look at this picture. Only two cars are faster than it and they're Le Mans prototypes that are more formulas than cars. This thing is literally just a slightly upgraded base Xiaomi family coupe model but with a spoiler and body work lol. It costs THIRTY THOUSAND BUCKS ($30,000) and it absolutely OBLITERATED cars that cost millions of dollars (I am NOT kidding, Rimac Nevera lap time is considerably slower despite costing 2,200,000 fucking dollars lmao).

And this is their FIRST car. And one is made every hour in a lights out dark factory with minimal human input. They weren't even trying to dab on the legacy automakers yet they murdered them. To make things funnier, if you were to look at the picture again, the 4th place belongs to Lotus Evija - that's also a Chinese EV made in China since Lotus belongs to Geely.

If you want to piss off your normie friends then THIS is the topic to do it. Car brands are pillars of pride of the western industries and consoomer culture. And they're all about to get mercilessly massacred by nerds from Chinese telephone companies. Out of fucking nowhere.

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Will Asia fall for it?

>>2374640
Worst Korea might.

>>2374640
maybe india

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>Then in 1966 came the “cultural revolution”, which lasted a whole decade, a real disaster for China. During that period many veteran cadres suffered persecution, including me. I was labelled the "No. 2 Capitalist Roader" after Liu Shaoqi. Liu was called "commander-in-chief of the bourgeois headquarters" and I "deputy commander-in-chief". Many strange things happened in those days. For instance, people were told that they should be content with poverty and backwardness and that it was better to be poor under socialism and communism than to be rich under capitalism. That was the sort of rubbish peddled by the Gang of Four. There is no such thing as socialism and communism with poverty. The ideal of Marxists is to realize communism. According to Marx, communist society is a society in which the principle of from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs is applied. What is the principle of to each according to his needs? How can we apply this principle without highly developed productive forces and vast material wealth? According to Marxism, communist society is a society in which there is overwhelming material abundance. Socialism is the first stage of communism; it means expanding the productive forces, and it represents a long historical period. Only if we constantly expand the productive forces can we finally achieve communism. The Gang of Four's absurd theory of socialism and communism led only to poverty and stagnation. […] Certain individuals, pretending to support the reform and the open policy, call for wholesale Westernization of China in an attempt to lead the country towards capitalism. These people don't really support our policies; they are only trying vainly to change the nature of our society. If China were totally Westernized and went capitalist, it would be absolutely impossible for us to modernize. The problem we have to solve is how to enable our one billion people to cast off poverty and become prosperous. If we adopted the capitalist system in China, probably a small number of people would be enriched, while the overwhelming majority would remain in a permanent state of poverty. If that happened, there would be a revolution in China. China's modernization can be achieved only through socialism, not capitalism. There have been people who have tried to introduce capitalism into China, and they have always failed.

<Deng Xiaoping, We shall draw on historical experience and guard against wrong tendencies, April 30, 1987


>Taken together, these accounts tell a pretty compelling and straightforward story: a worker state led by a vanguard party has placed the productive forces developed by capitalism under human control once again, for the benefit of the many rather than the few, and so definitively begun the complex and difficult transition away from capitalism and into communism that we call socialism. Capitalists, sheltered and insular in their dealings with fellow human beings, don’t understand that they are not sympathetic characters, so they shamelessly self-victimize in the press in the hopes of winning sympathy from the masses, in a futile effort to rally the necessary fervor for military intervention. The situation looks grim for the forces of reaction… And then the Western Left bursts onto the scene with a litany of harsh recriminations, determined to build up China into a villain worthy of war: “China has billionaires.” “China still has inequality.” “China still has wage labor.” “There’s no free speech there.” “Suicide nets.” “Free Tibet.” “Xinjiang is East Turkestan.” “Liberate Hong Kong.” “Neither Washington Nor Beijing.” Their indulgence in atrocity propaganda is unparalleled, and they’ll often outdo original sources and even the most vicious reactionaries in their preening paraphrases of Chinese horror.


<Roderic Day, China Has Billionaires, 5th of April, 2021


>If private property, money, abstract value production, class society, and the state, are abolished prematurely, when the oppressive logic and power of capital still controls the entire world, China would become vulnerable to both external imperialist violence and internal reactionary sabotage (no doubt under the banner of “democracy”). The Communist Party would be immediately compromised by foreign backed elements; the country might be torn apart once again by civil war, and once again subjected to imperialist domination. The Chinese revolution, what so many millions fought, worked tirelessly, and sacrificed their lives for, will have been for nothing. Marxism is anything but rigid and dogmatic, and has always been about adapting to the ever changing objective conditions of each era, using what ever is available toward revolutionary goals. The opinion of those baizuo who think that China should have chosen the disastrous course of action described above, or at least remained underdeveloped, poor, and weak, in order to satisfy their fundamentalist interpretation of Marxism, should not be indulged. These myopic and short-sighted “left com”, “ultra-left”, or modern “Maoist” types love to denounce modern China as a betrayal of socialism, without considering that it is the failure of the Western left to do successful revolutions in their countries which made it necessary for existing socialist states to adapt to the global conditions of entrenched neo-liberal capitalism. Those who think that 1.4 billion people, who for 200 years suffered so immensely under vicious colonial rule and brutal capitalist domination, will so quickly forget what their true enemy is, don’t know much about capitalism, colonialism, or people.


<He Zhao, The Long Game and Its Contradictions, 27th October, 2018


>So, to build socialism it is necessary to develop the productive forces. Poverty is not socialism. To uphold socialism, a socialism that is to be superior to capitalism, it is imperative first and foremost to eliminate poverty. True, we are building socialism, but that doesn’t mean that what we have achieved so far is up to the socialist standard. Not until the middle of the next century, when we have reached the level of the moderately developed countries, shall we be able to say that we have really built socialism and to declare convincingly that it is superior to capitalism. We are advancing towards that goal.


<Deng Xiaoping, To Uphold Socialism We Must Eliminate Poverty, 26th April, 1987


>“I am convinced that more and more people will come to believe in Marxism, because it is a science. Using historical materialism, it has uncovered the laws governing the development of human society. Feudal society replaced slave society, capitalism supplanted feudalism, and, after a long time, socialism will necessarily supersede capitalism. This is an irreversible general trend of historical development, but the road has many twists and turns. Over the several centuries that it took for capitalism to replace feudalism, how many times were monarchies restored! So, in a sense, temporary restorations are usual and can hardly be avoided. Some countries have suffered major setbacks, and socialism appears to have been weakened. But the people have been tempered by the setbacks and have drawn lessons from them, and that will make socialism develop in a healthier direction. So don't panic, don't think that Marxism has disappeared, that it's not useful any more and that it has been defeated. Nothing of the sort!”


<Deng Xiaoping, Excerpts From Talks Given In Wuchang, Shenzhen, Zhuhai And Shanghai, 1992


>I think China is a socialist country, and Vietnam is a socialist nation as well. And they insist that they have introduced all the necessary reforms in order to motivate national development and to continue seeking the objectives of socialism. There are no fully pure regimes or systems. In Cuba, for instance, we have many forms of private property. We have hundreds of thousands of farm owners. In some cases they own up to 110 acres (some 150 hectares). In Europe they would be considered large landholders. Practically all Cubans own their own home and, what is more, we welcome foreign investment. But that does not mean that Cuba has stopped being socialist.


<Fidel Castro, Interview with La Stampa reporter Jas Gawronski, published 2nd of January, 1994


>"The modern factories that defeated the Germans in World War II had their origin in the many technical agreements signed with foreign firms […] By March 1930 the [USSR] had signed 104 contracts. Of the 104, 81 were with American or German companies […] Over 400 American engineers made the architectural drawings for the Magnitogorosk plant, the largest project in the First Five-Year Plan. […] In May 1930, McKee waws hired to supervise the construction as well. By 1931, 250 American engineers were working on the project […] McKee brought in engineers from General Electric to work on the huge electrical installation. New open-hearth furnaces were designed by the Freyn Company […] the American Morgan Engineering Company […] and the German Demag A-G.”


<Walter Dunn Jr., The Soviet Economy and the Red Army 1930-1945, 1995


>In speaking of the capitalists who strive only for profit, only to get rich, I do not want to say that these are the most worthless people, capable of nothing else. Many of them undoubtedly possess great organizing talent, which I do not dream of denying. We Soviet people learn a great deal from the capitalists.


<Stalin, Marxism Versus Liberalism, An Interview With H.G. Wells, 1934


>Get down to business, all of you! You will have capitalists beside you, including foreign capitalists, concessionaires and leaseholders. They will squeeze profits out of you amounting to hundreds per cent; they will enrich themselves, operating alongside of you. Let them. Meanwhile you will learn from them the business of running the economy, and only when you do that will you be able to build up a communist republic. Since we must necessarily learn quickly, any slackness in this respect is a serious crime. And we must undergo this training, this severe, stern and sometimes even cruel training, because we have no other way out.


<Lenin, The New Economic Policy, 1921


>The mainland will maintain the socialist system and not turn off onto the wrong road, the road to capitalism. One of the features distinguishing socialism from capitalism is that socialism means common prosperity, not polarization of income. The wealth created belongs first to the state and second to the people; it is therefore impossible for a new bourgeoisie to emerge. The amount that goes to the state will be spent for the benefit of the people, a small portion being used to strengthen national defence and the rest to develop the economy, education and science and to raise the people’s living standards and cultural level.

Since the downfall of the Gang of Four an ideological trend has appeared that we call bourgeois liberalization. Its proponents worship the “democracy” and “freedom” of the Western capitalist countries and reject socialism. This cannot be allowed. China must modernize; it must absolutely not liberalize or take the capitalist road, as countries of the West have done. Those proponents of bourgeois liberalization who have violated state law must be dealt with severely.

<Deng Xiaoping, Bourgeois Liberalization Means Taking The Capitalist Road, 1985


>China is not a free market economy. We tried. We let them into the World Trade Organization. We sent businesses over there. We made trade deals. They are a controlled top-down economy. You will never compete and win against them, unless you take back the means of production.


<Hillary Clinton, interview with Chatham House [now deleted from Youtube] (2021)


>China has found a way to use capitalism against us, and what I mean by that is the ability to attract investment into entities that are deeply linked to the state.


<Marco Rubio, interview with Face the Nation on Jan. 29, 2023


>Will it be possible for private property to be abolished at one stroke? No, no more than existing forces of production can at one stroke be multiplied to the extent necessary for the creation of a communal society. In all probability, the proletarian revolution will transform existing society gradually and will be able to abolish private property only when the means of production are available in sufficient quantity.


<Friedrich Engels, Principles of Communism, 1847


>Between capitalist and communist society there lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat.


<Karl Marx, Critique of the Gotha Programme, 1875


>Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.


<John Fitzgerald Kennedy, on the first anniversary of the Alliance for Progress, 13 March 1962


>Every demand of the simplest bourgeois financial reform, of the most ordinary liberalism, of the most formal republicanism, of the most shallow democracy, is simultaneously castigated as an "attempt on society" and stigmatized as "socialism". And finally the high priests of "religion and order" themselves are driven with kicks from their Pythian tripods, hauled out of their beds in the darkness of night, put in prison vans, thrown into dungeons or sent into exile; their temple is razed to the ground, their mouths are sealed, their pens broken, their law torn to pieces in the name of religion, of property, of the family, of order.


<Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852)


>The Japanese elite knew their country to be one among many confronted by the dangers of conquest or subjection which they had faced in the course of a long history […] what is perhaps more important, the Japanese elite possessed a state apparatus and a social structure capable of controlling the movement of an entire society. To transform a country from above without risking either passive resistance, disintegration, or revolution is extremely difficult. The Japanese rulers were in the historically exceptional position of being able to mobilise a traditional mechanism of social obedience for the purposes of a sudden, radical, but controlled 'westernisation' […] the 'Meiji Restoration' […] a drastic 'revolution from above' […] The parallelism between Japan and Prussia has often been made. In both countries capitalism was formally installed not by bourgeois revolution [against feudal lords] but from above, by an old [feudal] bureaucratic-aristocratic order which recognised that its survival could not otherwise be assured.


<Eric Hobsbawm, Age of Capital (1848-1875), Chapter 8

>>2374640
>the leftist west
lmao how fucking deranged, that writer is legit insane. He needs institutionalization at best.

>>2374795
Yeah it's a nice collection of quotes but instead of actually disproving any of the criticisms or reconciling these theoretical contradictions it just amounts to "china is right and if you don't agree it's because you're a white leftcom"

Why are Chinese people so rape-averse?

Chinese documentary with English caption on the fall of the ussr

>>2374643
Yeah India will definitely do the needful, they love jews so moving Israel there would solve a lot of problems.

>>2373817
China is economically imperialist for sure. What it is doing in Africa and Latin America comports completely with the Marxian definition of imperialism. It's just not a martial culture, and doesn't have a set of politically powerful interest groups pushing for war, like the US does.

>>2374836
>china is right and if you don't agree it's because you're a white leftcom imperial core reactionary
FTFY

>>2374632
mobile
automobile
what next?

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>>2373759
>>2373769
When did you realize China hasn't existed for almost a year now?

>>2374558
Morocco already has more high speed rail than the US

>>2374960
Here comes the lecture lol

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Xi Jinping in the cuck chair while the USA fucks the USA

ngl feel like starting to practice basic Chinese so I can eventually net a teaching job, move over these, become a citizen and get executed for accelerationist socialist revolutionary activities.

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>>2375668
>become a citizen
IIRC, it's hard for foreigners to become citizens of China
>and get executed for accelerationist socialist revolutionary activities.
And if you try to overthrow the CPC, you'll deserve it for being a CIA proxy.

>>2375674
>IIRC, it's hard for foreigners to get Chinese citizenship
Last I checked it was pretty hard without loadsamoney (many millions) or a marriage, do people just keep renewing work visas?

>>2373759
Tbh I'm starting to suspect the USAID trolls are now working on seeing what kind of shit they can get past the radar now. Pretending that Chinese have been entirely replaced by robots is probably a fun gimmick.

I know the guy who makes these artworks and is affiliated with leftypol is a british teacher in china.

>>2371811
>China Creates New Uyghur With 3 Kidneys

>>2374836
>disproving criticism
Well first, I wouldn't call anyone a leftcom, they are a historical oddity.
That's one thing. They are the ones insisting not only they are part of the communist club but going so far as to gatekeep their club from reality itself.
The other idea, I'd just start asking yourself questions and not just of everyone else. I think that's what it amounts to, really.
Like what is it I would need to modify my beliefs (falsifiability) ? Is there anything anyone can do (realistically) to "be communist" that isn't sitting around dreaming of a better world.
And so on.
>>2374795
I'll save that for repostin

I'm reading the governance of china. How exactly can I feel optimistic that China can implement or rather re-implement the soviet-style rights of working people by 2050/2049? I know the Chinese economy is much more state-controlled than meets the eye, but how can china carry out a grand revolution on land, private ownership and education without the same problems caused by ending the NEP?

>>2375701
There's no need for revolution on land because there's no peasantry anymore. Industrial society has consumed all of them already.

Private ownership is eeeeeh. The only place where it's dangerous is middle sized companies. Basically, the issue gets solved either by going bankrupt or by becoming large enough to qualify for direct party oversight

Chinese education and healthcare are top notch. Their problems are twisted by our westoid perception of the problem where we have to engage in corruption to get our basic needs met, and so we root for corruption, and in China, they have solved their problems, and now stamp out corruption

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>>2374795
>Their indulgence in atrocity propaganda is unparalleled, and they’ll often outdo original sources and even the most vicious reactionaries in their preening paraphrases of Chinese horror
This phenomenon is more than a little odd.
That's why I see more potential or usefulness (not to speak of moral righteousness) in the avg arab or muslim (either/or) than the avg [trot] (replace with ultragauche or whatever super special tendency as needed).
I might be wrong now but I don't think so.
If you can't see something that is staring you in the face this much, I would be very skeptical of your dependability.

Do I have a fellow feeling with anyone that professes to be communist (etc.)? No (not anymore).
It's kinda like this: “Before [practice], mountains are mountains and waters are waters; After [starting out], mountains are no longer mountains and waters are no longer waters; after enlightenment [i.e enough practice], mountains are once again mountains and waters once again waters.”

>>2375714
>Chinese education and healthcare are top notch.
But it isn't free.

>>2375701
I don't get it. Is that a genuine question or rhetorical?
Why is the starting point of your inquiry "how can I feel optimistic". That's all wrong, as I hope doesn't need much explaining. One needs (to endeavor) to look at things as they are. Seeking truth from facts.
As for China, strictly speaking I am agnostic. We will all have to "cross the river by feeling the stones". All things have problems / contradictions and there is nothing in this world that is otherwise.
Then there is the whole issue of what optimism even means in this context and what this whole thing has to do with your life, your immediate existence.


>>2374640
>>2374882
Pissreal is basically accusing the West of the 'historical nihilism that brought down the USSR, ironic as the West gets deeper in its suicide pact with the only democracy in the middle east


>>2374640
Chynah and Vietnam love Pissrael so yes

>>2375916
doesn't list china tho :3

>>2375675
>>2375674
The unironic best way to become a chinese citizen is to become a Taiwanese citizen first and then apply for mainland since Chinese law is required to treat all Taiwanese as equal to mainlanders. Taiwan is much cheaper and easier to move to, and you can get a proper CELTA to teach english in 1 month.

>>2376128
>Just imagine saying to a Chinese police officer: 'I'm a Westiod, I obtained Taiwanese citizenship, and now I want to enter the mainland.'

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>>2376160
why is that red hammer and sickle in german? is that from the manifesto?

>>2376162
yup. it's the world's largest hammer and sickle statue located in Yan'an, China. It has the Communist Manifesto carved in the original German

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>>2376166
That's brilliant. I keep forgetting when it comes to monuments the Chinese really are internationalist. They gave Marx's birthplace a new Marx statue.

After all… is China really socialist? Market socialist? in-between? Or just a state capitalistic?


>>2376175
It is in the process of building socialism.

>>2376177
>Special warfare combatant-craft crewmen
?????

>>2374558
Depends of BYD can drop the slave labour use or not
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/what-happens-next-workers-slavery-like-conditions-byds-site-brazil-2024-12-27/
https://www.argusmedia.com/metals-platf
orm/newsandanalysis/article/2693212-Brazil-sues-BYD-for-human-trafficking–slavery

>>2375248
Even Monaco has more high speed rail than the USA


>>2376197
>he's obsessed with trade and infastructure deals between israel and china but doesn't know that most of vietnams military equipment comes from israel

>>2376188
I hope you're merely pretending to glow.

>>2376179
Newfriend…

>>2376175
yes. i'm going to post a 4 part piece (or maybe even more) later this week about marxism in china including its contradictions, it'll be 3800+ words so i might just make my own thread.

>>2376175
I think the people themselves there are more liberal than actually socialist

>>2376188
Everything just gets replaced by robots. What else is new?

>>2376272
have you ever encountered chinese social media

>>2376272
Maybe liberal in terms of sensibility but there’s no way they actually want the debate and gridlock that comes from liberal democracy

An EFF/SACP alliance victory combined with Chile voting in a communist might just be the domino that triggers the collapse of neoliberalism.

>>2376281
Yeah I'm browsing Red Note from time to time. Large majority are nationalists or giga libs.

>>2376288
Maybe. I hope so.

>>2376326
XHS should be a big argument for why China isn't socialist, there's not a hint of socialist superstructure on that site. Zero solidarity with oppressed peoples, zero awareness of their enemies, a lot of dumb nationalism. I don't know how this reflects on the broader Chinese society, maybe it's just a place for dumb petty bourgeois kids to waste their time since it's compared to Instagram so much. It just makes my blood boil seeing the people who benefit from socialist construction be so fucking retarded and so far from proletarian consciousness, but I guess it wasn't all that different in the Soviet Union.

>>2376209
>>2376199
Isn't it interesting that he once spent over 100 posts dancing around this topic and refused to say that he supported Palestinian resistance and now he's the bestest friend of Palestine now that he can use this as a talking point.
>>2376430
>XHS should be a big argument for why China isn't socialist…
Yes because the Internet totally corresponds to real life.

>>2376430
I mean. Just because the people who aren't engaged in politics are libs doesn't mean the party itself isn't

>>2376430
the party tries to expouse Xi Jinping Thought and marxist history on state TV however the CPC was too successful at creating prosperity so the kids would rather play marvel rivals or post outfits of the day on XHS

>>2376503
The Party DILIBERATELY made the Leader suck ass in order to make Marxism less appealing to the youth. This is proof of their anti-communist counter-revolutionary nature.

>>2376503
>>2376536
I think the truth is that it's hard to make people remember class struggle when there is a lot of prosperity and upward mobility. class struggle is wedded to deteriorating conditions, longer hours, lost national prestige, etc. countries on the way down either become communist or fascist depending on whether reactionaries or revolutionaries organize faster

>>2376544
yeah in Blackshirts and Reds I think there's a part where Parenti mentions talking with someone from the intelligentsia of the USSR who in the 80s largely wanted market reform, and he asked a basic doubt about letting in capitalism like "What if a factory outsources labor and closes down?" to which the person replied "the government would just help those people find jobs". so decades of free healthcare, housing, and education left people completely naive regarding capitalism, they had less of a sense of class conflict than the left wing person they were talking to from the US at that point and thought they were simply asking for a better consumer market.

>>2376571
what zero systemic thinking does to a mfer

>>2376571
It seems to me that a lot of people from socialist or formerly socialist countries are basically boomers except they benefited from socialism instead of FDR's New Deal. Now that they have a bit of power they just want to privatize everything.

last week China opened a direct air cargo route to Havana. 2 20 tonne planes a week.

>>2376621
I'm writing my apology letter right now to Xi and will send it as soon as Cuba will recover!

>>2376617
They’re literally baby boomers. Benefited from a world order than gave them universal healthcare and schooling and housing. In the New Deal world they were able to have large amounts of savings. Now they are jealously guarding the wealth they gained because of people who had less than them fought for those gains.

>>2376571
Most people didn't want capitalism, they wanted Western lifestyle, but thought socialism would continue. They were very naive about the intentions of counter-revolutionaries. Ironically after counter-revolution some of them were brainwashed into believing that all the corruption and plunder were due to insufficient transition or their own culture being backward. Which is how you got this current cuck mentality among middle class in ex-soc countries.
>>2376617
>a lot of people from socialist or formerly socialist countries are basically boomers
>Now that they have a bit of power they just want to privatize everything.
Most boomers don't have any kind of power whatsoever. Most boomers didn't become oligarchs or compradors. Most boomers were at the other end of the stick and they oppose privatization because they are used to what socialism provided. Which is one reason why even after 35 years the ruling class hasn't been able to completely destroy all remnants of socialist era and some things in ex-soc countries are still a lot better than in the West.
People who became oligarchs or compradors were in fact people who already had some form of power during counter-revolution, they were opportunists from the party bureaucracy or economic management, or had ties with them. They didn't just pull themselves up by their bootstraps. It was a counter-revolution from above by opportunists who wanted to make a quick buck by either plundering the country for themselves or selling it off to foreign capital because they were in position to do so and they took advantage of the crises at the time.

>>2376732 (me)
The ultimate reason for counter-revolutions was serious lack of party discipline. All the mismanagement in the decades before was salvageable, as proven by China where party discipline remained strong.

>>2376779
xi jinping on historical nihilism is always worth a read (or re-read)
https://www.palladiummag.com/2019/05/31/xi-jinping-in-translation-chinas-guiding-ideology/

>>2376779
well the jiang zemin and hu jintao eras also happened in the 1990s and 2000s, when america had its triumphant Unipolar Liberal End-Of-History party. it's hard not to see the party next door and feel a little envy during those eras. however, that's not the situation today. after the party there's a hangover (2007 crash) and now the world watches the US with morbid curiosity. china's model has proven highly successful with it making rapid advances in tech, infrastracture, living standards, global influence, etc. its party sees this, and even the US and EU is taking notes from china, beginning to hark back to industrial policies. however, the contradictions of neoliberalism is becoming too great in the west and stifling progress. on the other hand, China has an ML system that retains the capacity for long term planning, institutional discipline and coordinated strategy. it's the US that is looking chaotic and reactive while china is strategic and focused.

>>2376503
sorry anon but that marx anime is str8 garbo

>>2376209
nah he is really a glowing retard constantly peddling anything that he think can embarrass the west enemies, good thing he is a namefag so you can filter his stupid ass

>>2376571
yeah remind me of an history in the 80s of some guys from our communist party meeting with some factory managers from eastern europe that were a bit jealous of the big cars their counterparts in the west had and the guy went like "what were your parent doing? small hands farmers huh? do you really think you could have became the boss of a factory without communism? you wouldnt have had a big car anyway"

>>2377054
>>2376571
My God. It really is that the Communists were too naive and trusting wasn't it? I guess it makes sense capitalism breeds cynicism and socialism doesn't but still. It's all so silly.

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>>2376943
>it's hard not to see the party next door and feel a little envy during those eras. however, that's not the situation today.
One thing I've read from various writers who grew up in Eastern Europe during socialism and Soviet-era "dissidents" too is that the West became a fascination because it wasn't easily accessible. That's the paradox of it. The more those governments tried to keep Western influence out, the more people were attracted to it. The higher the wall, the more you wanted to look over it.

It's hard to generalize about a country as large as China, but I suppose some generalizations are necessary to talk about this stuff. And my sense is that they have a less black/white view about the West (even this concept of the "collective West" that you hear in Russia to this day isn't how they do things) and do try to copy the U.S. in many ways if they think it works or can help them. I screenshotted an image in one video awhile ago and had to save it because it showed this paradox so well, students dutifully looking at Xi Jinping books in their college bookstore with American-style varsity jackets for sale in the background.

I think another factor might be cultural. I'm not sure there's a way to mention this without sounding like a reactionary, but there's just… I dunno… a Chinese kind of… "civilizational" or cultural confidence? At worst it can veer into a superiority complex about Chinese being better than other people. But the healthy side is like a deep-rooted pride that leads to calm sense that "we've got this" and "trust the plan." Eric Hobsbawm noted something similar in "Age of Extremes" while contrasting that with Russia where he wrote that everybody there knew they were backwards. Chinese are not like that. It's like, *we're* backwards? Bruh, we invented paper.

The Islamic countries have also struggled with this. They have a corrupt, wealthy elite who live Western lifestyles and want to get in on that, and then you have these Islamic revivalist movements and their militant expressions like Al Qaeda and ISIS who want to oust the corrupted rulers and restore the Khalifah. But they reject most "Western" things including scientific rationalism (more importantly) so it becomes like a clash of civilizations and mirroring primitive anti-foreigner movements in Chinese history like the Boxers.

>China has an ML system that retains the capacity for long term planning, institutional discipline and coordinated strategy. it's the US that is looking chaotic and reactive while china is strategic and focused.

I mentioned scientific rationalism and I think it's that. And all of those things too. I wouldn't overstate it though, I think they can be chaotic and reactive as well, and I reckon that in reality a lot of their plans are cobbled together or some crisis happens and they're like "oh shit, oh fuck" but ultimately something comes together. There might be something about the CPC forming in a long guerrilla war that encourages a culture of improvisation and getting practical results, fast and cheap. A guerrilla has to be quick on his feet and come up with plans on the fly otherwise he's a dead guerrilla.

>>2377428
>My God. It really is that the Communists were too naive and trusting wasn't it?
Well there was one dissident writer I was listening to in an interview who had become disillusioned with the West (because he had a hard time getting published and selling to a market; America didn't need any more dissident Russian writers) also say the KGB was naive. If the KGB only knew how these dissidents would actually be treated by the West, they would've thrown them out a lot sooner!


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>>2377533

What are these black boxes he is sitting on?

>>2377539
solid gold (for retrogame nerd price hikers)

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>>2377545
CRTs were cool, but they definitely got better over the years. The last CRT I owned was like from the 2000s and it was flat. But it wouldn't look retro quirky chungus tho. But it had far better picture quality than ones I had before it.

>>2377054
Which nation may I ask?

>>2376199
Because it's the first time I hear of Vietnam in relation to Israel, meanwhile China was brought up as one of the great supporters of palestinian liberation some months ago because they made a strongly worded letter about it.
>>2377034
>>2376209
Since when did the CIA bring up the truth?
Even the chinese goverment agrees with me that they're besties with Israel
> China-Israel ties bloom spectacularly
https://english.www.gov.cn/news/internationalexchanges/202203/07/content_WS6225601ec6d09c94e48a6238.html
Overall: cope and sethee

>>2376449
Only because the other guy was a complete schizo. I had explained my really simple position quite plainly at least 3 to 5 times. If he had had any actual interest in it he would have had his doubts cleaned by then. But instead he sperged out like a child, so I thought that I might as well have some fun watching him pulling his hairs out since he wasn't interested in a serious or real discussion anyway.

>always someone else's fault
Yep, it's narcissmo
Anyway this doesn't belong here.
There is several threads for following the unreal development.
If you don't care what happens (bc everything everywhere is the same and yada yada) in reality IRL I have a hot tip. Just don't comment on it. Close your eyes, walk away from the screen. Like what could possibly be the use of declaring you "don't care"?

germany has just accused china with shooting a "laser" at one of its planes in the red sea

>>2377539
Leftovers from the Boxers rebellion

>>2377623
Whats a GERMANY doing in RED SEA?


>>2377625
They're checking how their student is doing

Based china protecting le airspace of the red sea

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the largest war games in taiwanese history will happen this week

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>>2377627
>latvia
>estonia

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yep, another dengist classic

Le stocks

>>2377689
well we have to keep taiwan province safe

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>>2377698
It's Falun Gong, not Fulan Gong.

>>2377607
cringe liberalism as usual from the italian


>>2377752
> Everything I disagree with is liberalism

>>2377796
that's right

>>2377796
uh, yes?

>>2377698
>no ☑️ Mercury was in retrograde
one job

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I need the entire fascist european continent glassed and China seems to be helping with that
>BERLIN (AP) — Germany’s Foreign Office said Tuesday it has summoned the Chinese ambassador to protest after a Chinese warship used a laser against a German aircraft in the Red Sea.

>The surveillance aircraft was part of the EU mission Aspides, which is intended to better defend civilian ships against attacks by Houthi rebels based in Yemen. It was lasered earlier this month “without any reason or prior contact” by a Chinese warship that had been encountered several times in the area, the German Defense Ministry said.

https://apnews.com/article/germany-china-red-sea-laser-c0f7e743dd1446b262b3afbcefd7966d

>>2377891
Didn't China just build these Electronic Warfare jets, like literally last week?

>>2377891
uhhh ultrabros why is china helping the houthis??

>>2377917
Maube houthis dont attack chinese vessels

>>2377920
and why is that

>>2377920
that was already the case before this

>>2377920
no, they don't, the Houthis only attack ships that don't pay the transit toll. they make 180 million USD a month this way lmao

>>2377922
I dont know. Do you?

>>2377924
socialism with canal characteristics

Chinas ballsack has grown by about 10 times in the past 2 months or so. They know the US and EU won't do shit to them.

>>2377967
>ballsack
But not the shaft?

>>2377967
Because they means tested these sanctions and tariffs, they been watching Russia closely. They know their economy can take the hit at this point which means they can grow bolder. The US played it cards too quick and now they are caught with their pants down.

>>2377972
the shaft was always massive, it just didn't have the balls required to use it

>>2377891
>part of the EU mission Aspides, which is intended to better defend civilian ships against attacks by Houthi rebels based in Yemen
Uhh did they mention which ships exactly are being blockaded by Houthi """rebels""" and why? :^)

>>2377983
the western weapons MUST flow anon, they must flow.

>>2377973
People in China I talk to online aren't happy with the job market, but they probably lean gusano if they talk to random westoids. I always make sure to give them a dose of reality by emphasizing our low home ownership rate and massive job market anxieties.

More of an intrigue than a question but how easy is it for a socialist Chinese person to try and support the left wing elements within the CPC through local congress and politburo voting?

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>>2377987
In other words those people don’t know how good they have it. The only advantage the United States has is it’s incomes are the highest in the world but inside that country those incomes don’t get you very far these days. The smartest immigrants usually all think the same. I know this because I’m the child of immigrants and they think this way and almost everyone who immigrated here does the same thing. They make money here in the states to then buy land back home and make multiple incomes on that wealth they generate here. They never actually try to build their wealth INSIDE the United States which is to say buying a house then refinancing then buying another house and continuing the cycle until you are practically upper middle class if not rich. You occasionally have an immigrant that uses the cheap credit of the US to start a business but that usually doesn’t work out well and becomes a money sink. This is why the black community is so poor. They don’t have land nor a place to go back to. Some AAs are smartening up and going to Africa and buying land over there for cheap and contributing to the local economy usually through farming. The Chinese who are business minded know this already so when they come here to do business they know what they have and what they’d be losing if they fully committed to American citizenship. The lower classes in China aren’t aware of this cuz they haven’t been here and had to make it out here so they can have they gusano mindsets.

>>2376199
>most of vietnams military equipment comes from israel
Every image I've seen of the modern PAVN shows them using Soviet/Russian equipment. AKs, T-series tanks, MiG and Sukhoi fighters, etc.

>>2378054
>AKs
Until recently Vietnam used Galis, now they have developed their own domestic AK-based rifle called the STV, and gave shit ton of previously Israeli weapons to Laos instead. So Laos gets Israeli guns without having to give Israelis any money.

>TRUMP: BRICS IS GETTING 10% CHARGE PRETTY SOON

>>2378052
>The lower classes in China
Wrong. Class is abolished in Communist China. The exploiting class, as a class, has been eliminated.

>>2378058
Not even the CPC agrees with you on that.


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