>Therefore, June 10 (the date of ᴉuᴉlossnW's declaration of war) was for me what you call a great day. But now that Hitler has grown soft, I begin to lose the trust I had placed in the Axis to strangle and pull down the so-called British colossus, that is, the greatest exponent of capitalism. They are afraid of bringing down England, they are afraid because they know that with it, the whole capitalist system will collapse. […] I still hope that Hitler will not renounce the struggle, and will go all the way, to the extreme consequences.
<The great and authentic revolutionaries of the world are two: ᴉuᴉlossnW and Hitler. But ᴉuᴉlossnW's past shows that Il Duce has always been against the plutocracy and against the democracies, which paralyze the life of nations.
>Stalin, allying himself with London and Washington, has betrayed the cause of the proletariat. Moreover, I can say that on this I agree with Il Duce, when he says, as he did in his speech from last November, that if there is a man who desperately wanted the war, who first prepared it and then instigated it, it is the American president. From my point of view, however, I clarify that Roosevelt is nothing but the exponent of supercapitalism that aims at the conquest of a totalitarian imperialism.
Whaddafug, wholesome critical support to Hitler and ᴉuᴉlossnW????
121 posts and 29 image replies omitted.>>2372986Remember faux german is never a good sign.
Except that one game / anime, Steins;Gate.
Are you, a "ultra-gauche" (or whatever you wanna call it, un-real socialisms, as long as we know what is meant), complaining about repetition? Cause it sounds like that's what you are doing. All that I feel like saying to that is: Buddy, my (so-called) alleged frenemy (fellow "commie"), my guy that has left this plane of existence and left us poor people on our own in this reality, invest in a mirror.
>>2372981Well, that's just stupid
>>2372979None (explicitly). I do not know these new guys. Or "new", they probably should take some time out of their super busy sched and try to get some more additions.
Anyway, Wvobbly seems at least tethered to reality. It's not that I like the
guy dude person. But they is the most "dependable" ideologically.
Anti gone, Krates gone. Now most that are left are frankly imbeciles and I say that with very little emotional attachment. If this place dies, it dies.
The rest is most accurately described as just incompetent, regardless of tendency or professed belief or whatever.
Then there is barb who I just assume has fucked off again. Maybe in the next major crisis they turn up again.
I won't even try to get into the moffinzank garbo (welcome back, ᴉuᴉlossnW)
also I left lmoaMy element is throwing Javascript errors
good
What a shit app / program. Always has been, always will be.
>>2372813>>2372849Ok so what do we have here?
First article - Anti-War Protests in Gaza:
>Muh gaza anti hamas protest/the gaza genocide is an "interimperialist conflict". Basically, muh both sides badSecond Article - Workers Have No Country: No to Nationalism, Yes to Class Unity!:
>right off the bat refers to oct 7th as a "raid">Neither Israel nor Hamas>Muh hamas nationalism Third article - There Is No State Solution: Only Class War:
>(talking about oct 7 in the first paragraph) From a Palestinian liberationist perspective, this looked like triumph. But over a thousand civilians were indiscriminately massacred throughout the day>Glazing the PA compradors (they're a better option for "peace")>"The enemy of the Israeli worker is not the Palestinian worker but the Israeli ruling-class.">Israel is not colonialist, plus like who cares about colonialism anyway>we must reject palestinian nationalismFourth article - The Descent from Fantasy to Reality in the "Arab-Israeli Conflict":
>But muh oct 7th tho>muh raversJesus CHRIST dude, I can't believe I actually wasted my time on actually reading this zionist shit, I was completely correct in my initial reading of the headlines and this is exactly the shit Im talking about. How you thought I would find any of this garbage to be "very agreeable" is beyond me. Their platitudes about about how israel is le evil imperialist state, like literally every other state in the world in their mind, does not disguise that the crux of their argument is that Palestinian resistance to their own occupation and ethnic replacement is basically the same thing as zionist settler colonialism.
Idk if you were trying to make left communism look more appealing with this, but if you did, you failed in a miserable way. I respect leftcoms way less now that I read this shit
>>2373579>leftcom.org>site has timed outOh thank Fuck
Left com must mean after the communists have gone, all that is left. Trash people
>>2372475>>2372472Two seconds of googling tells you that he said this to ᴉuᴉlossnW's secret police, as that is literally the source of that quote. It comes from the cop he told it to. This is such a common fact it shows active maliciousness when people quote it, like when people pretend that Nietzsche's Will to Power wasn't just the ravings of his actual Nazi sister who published it. It's common knowledge but people keep putting it out there in an attempt to confuse people without knowledge of the subject.
You social democrats (MLs) can never argue on good faith. Once a freikorp, always a freikorp. Anyone continuing to argue is a moron, and even if you pull the "actually meant it" bullshit, it's in such clear contradiction with his views on international bourgeois conflict and campism that's it's obviously bullshit. You guys can just never be honest, since you're youtuber sycophants like the mods.
>>2373591Here's a fun one for ya
All 4 articles:
<ctrl+f: genocide>1/1>"as the language of politicians stopped just about short on calls for genocide"All 4 articles:
<ctrl+f: hamas>56/56I swear to god man these people
>>2373612>Two seconds of googlingThe op is obviously in bad faith you fucking retard. I'm not going to waste time on it because nothing hinges on bordiga's opinions, shitty or otherwise.
You are actually so fucking stupid.
Shame on OP for the millionth time for not providing the full text that a quote is sourced from. It's not difficult. Nobody's gonna take off points for not providing a proper APA7 citation, we just want any indication of where it comes from.
This quote is from archived interviews between Bordiga and fascist police informants cited in the book
Gli anni amari di Bordiga: Un comunista irriducibile e nemico di Stalin nell'Italia di ᴉuᴉlossnW (
Bordiga's bitter years: An irreducible communist and enemy of Stalin in ᴉuᴉlossnW's Italy). Unfortunately, as far as I know the full original interview isn't publicly available in Italian or English. Hilariously, the easiest-to-find English-language source for this quote is a partial translation of an Italian "left" anti-communist article (
https://libcom.org/forums/history/bordiga-leninist-who-put-his-hopes-axis-27122017). I'll also push back against some others in this thread like
>>2372488 over here.
>"But now that Hitler has grown soft, I begin to lose the trust I had placed in the Axis to strangle and pull down the so-called British colossus, that is, the greatest exponent of capitalism."This rancid re-invention of Second Internationalist substitutions of anti-imperialism for vulgar "anti-hegemonism" and the re-carving of the world by other imperialisms (identical to the modern "theory of the three worlds", "global class war", and "multipolarism") is in essence largely in-line with Bordiga's stances before and after the war. For instance, before the Fascist coup he stated that
>"If the Fascists destroy parliament, we shall be delighted.">>2372695Average ultra theorycel's knowledge of history.
>ChinaChina was a pre-capitalist semi-feudal society in the early 20th century. Outside the treaty ports and especially Shanghai there was not a bourgeoisie and proletariat, the vast majority of the population were peasants and the major exploiting class was an agricultural gentry.
>German Empire, Japanese EmpireLate to industrialize, develop capitalist relations, and unify/engage in imperialism. Easily cast as "proletarian nations" in the way ᴉuᴉlossnW cast Italy. They also both were not democratic and the democracies were almost always cast as uniquely inefficient, morally corrupt and rotten by fascist propaganda. If you look at Nazi writing from 44 and 45, when they admit the war is lost and imagine how the peace will go they always predict the victory of the USSR over the Western democracies and it's because of this, often explicitly. Bordiga was an anti-democracy autist in a distinct way but there is definitely some overlap.
>French EmpireYour only decent point but by the 40s they were already on the same page as London and Washington anyway.
There is less of a stark difference between how the US is perceived today and how the British Empire was perceived even into the early postwar period too. Knowing now that America and Russia won the war for Britain and that the British Empire was going to begin falling apart within a decade it's easy to project that knowledge back onto the people of the time but Britain still had the image and reputation of the world's superpower and looked very imposing and stable. This was the country where capitalism developed and it had a direct territorial empire that covered a quarter of the planet. Fascists and Stalinists were both convinced for different reasons that it was rotten and going to topple over any day but then they thought the same thing about all the "plutocracies" including America.
>>2375630I'm all for shitting on the western leftoid but what do you know about it?
I'd be mighty surprised if you had human contact beyond the strictly necessary and incessant shitposting.
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