>Therefore, June 10 (the date of ᴉuᴉlossnW's declaration of war) was for me what you call a great day. But now that Hitler has grown soft, I begin to lose the trust I had placed in the Axis to strangle and pull down the so-called British colossus, that is, the greatest exponent of capitalism. They are afraid of bringing down England, they are afraid because they know that with it, the whole capitalist system will collapse. […] I still hope that Hitler will not renounce the struggle, and will go all the way, to the extreme consequences.
<The great and authentic revolutionaries of the world are two: ᴉuᴉlossnW and Hitler. But ᴉuᴉlossnW's past shows that Il Duce has always been against the plutocracy and against the democracies, which paralyze the life of nations.
>Stalin, allying himself with London and Washington, has betrayed the cause of the proletariat. Moreover, I can say that on this I agree with Il Duce, when he says, as he did in his speech from last November, that if there is a man who desperately wanted the war, who first prepared it and then instigated it, it is the American president. From my point of view, however, I clarify that Roosevelt is nothing but the exponent of supercapitalism that aims at the conquest of a totalitarian imperialism.
Whaddafug, wholesome critical support to Hitler and ᴉuᴉlossnW????
139 posts and 35 image replies omitted.>>2372475>>2372472Two seconds of googling tells you that he said this to ᴉuᴉlossnW's secret police, as that is literally the source of that quote. It comes from the cop he told it to. This is such a common fact it shows active maliciousness when people quote it, like when people pretend that Nietzsche's Will to Power wasn't just the ravings of his actual Nazi sister who published it. It's common knowledge but people keep putting it out there in an attempt to confuse people without knowledge of the subject.
You social democrats (MLs) can never argue on good faith. Once a freikorp, always a freikorp. Anyone continuing to argue is a moron, and even if you pull the "actually meant it" bullshit, it's in such clear contradiction with his views on international bourgeois conflict and campism that's it's obviously bullshit. You guys can just never be honest, since you're youtuber sycophants like the mods.
>>2373612>Two seconds of googlingThe op is obviously in bad faith you fucking retard. I'm not going to waste time on it because nothing hinges on bordiga's opinions, shitty or otherwise.
You are actually so fucking stupid.
Shame on OP for the millionth time for not providing the full text that a quote is sourced from. It's not difficult. Nobody's gonna take off points for not providing a proper APA7 citation, we just want any indication of where it comes from.
This quote is from archived interviews between Bordiga and fascist police informants cited in the book
Gli anni amari di Bordiga: Un comunista irriducibile e nemico di Stalin nell'Italia di ᴉuᴉlossnW (
Bordiga's bitter years: An irreducible communist and enemy of Stalin in ᴉuᴉlossnW's Italy). Unfortunately, as far as I know the full original interview isn't publicly available in Italian or English. Hilariously, the easiest-to-find English-language source for this quote is a partial translation of an Italian "left" anti-communist article (
https://libcom.org/forums/history/bordiga-leninist-who-put-his-hopes-axis-27122017). I'll also push back against some others in this thread like
>>2372488 over here.
>"But now that Hitler has grown soft, I begin to lose the trust I had placed in the Axis to strangle and pull down the so-called British colossus, that is, the greatest exponent of capitalism."This rancid re-invention of Second Internationalist substitutions of anti-imperialism for vulgar "anti-hegemonism" and the re-carving of the world by other imperialisms (identical to the modern "theory of the three worlds", "global class war", and "multipolarism") is in essence largely in-line with Bordiga's stances before and after the war. For instance, before the Fascist coup he stated that
>"If the Fascists destroy parliament, we shall be delighted.">>2372695Average ultra theorycel's knowledge of history.
>ChinaChina was a pre-capitalist semi-feudal society in the early 20th century. Outside the treaty ports and especially Shanghai there was not a bourgeoisie and proletariat, the vast majority of the population were peasants and the major exploiting class was an agricultural gentry.
>German Empire, Japanese EmpireLate to industrialize, develop capitalist relations, and unify/engage in imperialism. Easily cast as "proletarian nations" in the way ᴉuᴉlossnW cast Italy. They also both were not democratic and the democracies were almost always cast as uniquely inefficient, morally corrupt and rotten by fascist propaganda. If you look at Nazi writing from 44 and 45, when they admit the war is lost and imagine how the peace will go they always predict the victory of the USSR over the Western democracies and it's because of this, often explicitly. Bordiga was an anti-democracy autist in a distinct way but there is definitely some overlap.
>French EmpireYour only decent point but by the 40s they were already on the same page as London and Washington anyway.
There is less of a stark difference between how the US is perceived today and how the British Empire was perceived even into the early postwar period too. Knowing now that America and Russia won the war for Britain and that the British Empire was going to begin falling apart within a decade it's easy to project that knowledge back onto the people of the time but Britain still had the image and reputation of the world's superpower and looked very imposing and stable. This was the country where capitalism developed and it had a direct territorial empire that covered a quarter of the planet. Fascists and Stalinists were both convinced for different reasons that it was rotten and going to topple over any day but then they thought the same thing about all the "plutocracies" including America.
>>2375630I'm all for shitting on the western leftoid but what do you know about it?
I'd be mighty surprised if you had human contact beyond the strictly necessary and incessant shitposting.
>>2372722At one point MLs really need to just take the name Stalinist if they view Marx and Lenin as “metaphysics”
Damn do I wish you nighas would just die
>>2372472The actual answer is that he was responding to a fascist cop and dying in prison just to protect your ego is obviously much stupider than living to fight another day
Of course, being pseud moralists with a very cowardly fascination with adventurism, MLs genuinely think it’s worth being executed to say a mean word to a fascist police officer (not them specifically since nobody on this site would ever risk their skin for anything)
>>2386657>The actual answer is that he was responding to a fascist cop and dying in prison just to protect your ego is obviously much stupider than living to fight another day.Like he lived to stand for anything like his peers, Leftcomnoids are yet to stand for such a thing instead living for abstract "correct communist line." always divorced from the proletariat struggles or in the specific case of mister bordiga dropping everything for hitler like a rat.
No wonder Georgy Dimitrov's line became popular to the socialists despite it's wrongness, being Courageous and daring is a value liked universaly by people.
>>2386742>all leftcoms now have to kill themselvesBlud thinks we don't know
> jfc siding with LITERAL IN˥OSS∩W AND HITLER instead of the USSR and stalin. Blud didn't see the first pic
>>2372477, or this pic
>its the kind of thing i would expect a moron to make up as a way to mock the concept of critical support.Blud thinks KKKritical support means something
>a complete misunderstanding of the nature of fascism, which is capitalism in crisisBlud doesn't know Bordiga literally wrote that too
>and instead misrepresents fascism as 'against' capitalismBlud misinterprets Bordigga
>>2386864>bordigoids bordigods*
>will try to justfiy this like magtards trying to justify trump saying there was no epstein conspiracyNo, Bordiga was speculating on WW2, his speculation did not commence.
>>2386874borediga critically supported hitler
>but hitler lost tho, so that makes borediga good againthe mental gymnastics commense
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