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>>2386955 >>2388152Try:
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>>2388228Heaven has infinite abundance to nurture man.
Man has nothing to recompense heaven.
Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill.
>>2388245no its funny
let the funny man dream of a yellow river of blood
>>2388243>>2388242China and Bolivia are doing just fine and it’s been decades since either of them have went to war
>>2388241It’s not essentialism because Americanism is an ideology, not an ethnicity or nationality, it’s a political movement same as Zionism
>>2388246It's a good thing this place will never have any part in anything that actually happens ever.
Legitimately psychotic.
>>2388134tbh communism will eliminate most ethnicity and nationality. You can speak your micro-languages and dress up in your historic costumes with your nerd friends but most people will be speaking commonese and wearing the coolest of Antarctica fashion
>>2388129>>2388144Onlyfans will make a killing off this. Sorry MILFs but kids are only an excuse for so long, it's time to go back to work.
>>2388255no, and it's more nuanced than you'd th0nk! (or try to paint)
just between nazis and fascist and their collaborators, yes,
>>2388274nasin mani pi lawa pi jan pali li kama lon tan kepeken ijo mute mute. ijo wan li kepeken pi kama sona. ni la o open e sona kepeken lukin e ijo wan.
ijo ni li lon anpa. ona li ijo lon sewi pi jan. ona li ken pali e wile pi jan. wile ni li ken tan pilin suli, ken tan pilin wawa — ona li sama.
mi wile ala sona tan seme la ijo li pali e wile. ken la ona li pali e moku lon pona. ken la ona li pali e pali lon tenpo kama. ni li ante ala.
ijo pi pali pona, sama kiwen walo anu lipu, li ken lukin kepeken lukin tu: lukin pi pona en lukin pi suli. ijo li jo e sitelen mute mute. tan ni la ona li ken pali mute. sona pi pali mute li pali pi tenpo pini.
sama ni la sona pi ilo pi measure pi ijo ni li tan kulupu. ilo ni li ante tan ijo ante en tan lawa kulupu.
>>2388309>The US doesn’t have the means to engage in a sustained ground war.Not against a similar-strengthed power, no. It hasn't the productive forces to sustain such a war. Every war on terror was a "success" (maintained control over assets vital for the economy) but always left the area less stable than before, often birthing, accidentally or not, groups worse than the one they just fought.
Fighting what amounts to literal imperialist conflicts in poorer countries is exactly what the US will do when it knows it is losing grip on hegemony.
>>2388297The only point you made is that you don't understand imperialism or revolution, like every other liberal.
>>2388303the funny thing is I'm probably the poorest person here, I work six days a week and am on the verge of homelessness, but you simply project your own background onto everyone else because you literally cannot imagine anyone not being rich like you.
>>2388089The dissident right is fake
The right has been doing PR and reinventing its image for the past ten years and as we can see they just always revert back to being neocons or just neonazis
It's a fake and gay term
>>2388341They got mad that Superman is an immigrant. These are the guys who say "leftists" are invading nerd """""culture"""" btw
Bovaria in the new movie is a metaphor for Israel
>>2388263What you're describing is 4channers who outgrew /pol/ and its schizo bloodthirst ideologies, but still wanted something edgy and remembered all the propaganda they heard about communism on /pol/ fox news and their uncle
Such is the shit you have to deal with when posting on imageboards
>>2388345the soviet one of course
>>2388347yeah they're fucking mouthbreathers who don't give a shit about the stuff they claim to love and defend
fox news or ben shapiro said it doesn't count because superman came here as a baby(they hate DACA btw)
anyways it's pointless to care about this but it's funny to see the "go woke go broke" shit just be some schizo wishcasting, normies really love the movie
>>2388342The term "dissident" was originally used for Soviet-era "dissidents" but some of them didn't even like the term. I don't know why people like to self-adopt that label. It sounds too similar to "dissonance" to me. Diss… meh!
This whole competitive struggle about who is more dissident than others is a waste of time. Frankly the whole rebel thing isn't what I find attractive about socialism, it's more about bringing things into accordance with a scientific plan. Rage Against the Machine is fun but there's a point to a revolution as a scientifically grounded stage in the development of civilization rather than some cathartic outburst. Anyways
The less you eat, drink, buy books, go to the theatre or to balls, or to the pub, and the less you think, love, theorize, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you will be able to save and the greater will become your treasure which neither moth nor rust will corrupt—your capital. The less you are, the less you express your life, the more you have, the greater is your alienated life and the greater is the saving of your alienated being.
>>2388310is there any app for learnin this
cant learn any other way
>Lovestruck US Air Force worker admits leaking secrets on dating appA lovestruck US Air Force employee has pleaded guilty to conspiring to transmit confidential national defense information after sharing military secrets information about the Russia-Ukraine war with a woman he met on a dating app
David Franklin Slater, a 64-year-old Nebraska resident and retired US Army lieutenant colonel, worked as a civilian employee of the US Air Force assigned to Strategic Command at Offutt Air Force Base and held a Top Secret security clearance from August 2021 to April 2022.
In this role, he attended briefings about Russia's war against Ukraine that were classified up to Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information (TS/SCI) — and signed a non-disclosure agreement stating that he understood that "negligent handling of SCI by me could cause irreparable injury to the United States or to be used to advantage by a foreign nation," according to court documents [PDF].
That didn’t stop Slater from sharing classified information with a woman who identified as a foreigner on an online dating platform.
Slater's supposed love interest is only referred to as "co-conspirator 1" in the indictment, and according to the Justice Department the two "regularly communicated over email and through an online messaging platform" from February 2022 until April 2022.
The start of their alleged online dalliance coincided with both Russia’s illegal invasion of its neighbor and Valentine's Day. The woman allegedly described Slater as her "secret informant love."
"During this time, Co-Conspirator 1 regularly asked David Franklin Slater to provide her with sensitive, non-public, closely held, and classified NDI, to which David Franklin Slater had access as a result of his employment with the United States Air Force," the indictment states.
And then it gets into the good stuff, with examples of co-conspirator 1's war-time pillow talk, which ultimately convinced Slater to transmit classified national defense information to his online paramour. This secret info included military targets, and Russian military capabilities relating to the war in Ukraine.
Here are some of the messages:
"Dear, what is shown on the screens in the special room?? It is very interesting."
"By the way, you were the first to tell me that NATO members are traveling by train and only now (already evening) this was announced on our news. You are my secret informant love! How were your meetings? Successfully?"
"Beloved Dave, do NATO and Biden have a secret plan to help us?"
"Dave, it's great that you get information about [Specified Country 1] first. I hope you will tell me right away? You are my secret agent. With love."
"Sweet Dave, the supply of weapons is completely classified, which is great!"
"Access to classified information comes with great responsibility," said US Attorney Lesley A. Woods for the District of Nebraska. "David Slater failed in his duty to protect this information by willingly sharing National Defense Information with an unknown online personality despite having years of military experience that should have caused him to be suspicious of that person's motives."
The charge of conspiracy to transmit national defense information carries a sentence of up to 10 years in prison, three years of supervised release, and a fine of up to $250,000.
The court has scheduled Slater's sentencing hearing for October 8. ®
https://www.theregister.com/2025/07/10/airman_admits_dating_app_leaks/ >>2388364>what does that mean "pro-semitic"Islamophobia
Against Islamic or Muslim people
Sees brown middle eastern people as subhuman
>>2388439>decent economyit is hard for America to truly fuck itself
the last time was in the very early 70's during the Yom Kippur War when a Saudi oil embargo brought America back to almost depression era conditions. That created Neoliberalism because there was no other option to restore economic growth and rates of profit for the capitalist class. America is the second biggest producer of oil and the first consumer of it, mostly from Saudi Arabia still. It's productivity levels are dropping but they're still second only to China. That's why all this tarrif 5D chess is an attempt to take back the advantage by literally stealing from the few capitalist nations left with a significant industrial output.
>>2388411Maybe Canada should nationalize their oil companies and put the profits directly into their social services instead of MAIDing themselves.
>>2388402writing the words out on index cards is the real life language app, zoomie.
>>2388509paywall:
https://archive.is/Oec7yCanada’s “deal” with the U.S. to drop the digital services tax, which benefits U.S. tech giants such as Meta and Netflix at the expense of Canadian fiscal sovereignty, and the Trump administration’s latest threat of a 35-per-cent tariff on Canadian goods perfectly encapsulate our current predicament: Washington no longer views Canada as an ally, but rather as a subordinate from which to extract concessions. It’s a stark reminder that trade diversification is no longer optional – it’s an urgent national imperative.
The rub is that our longstanding subordination to the U.S. is also holding us back from partnering with China, one of the world’s most important economies. To achieve economic sovereignty, Canada must break free from the made-in-Washington narrative that China is an unreliable trading partner bent on world domination. Instead, Canada must forge its own relationship with China – a relationship anchored in Canadian, not U.S., interests.
As the largest economy in the world on a purchasing power parity basis, China is set to be a core driver of future global economic growth. It also now accounts for a third of the world’s manufacturing output, more than all the G7 countries plus South Korea and Mexico combined. And not just low-cost manufacturing, but rather advanced production and world-beating technology. China leads in 37 of 44 critical technologies, from AI to green energy.
If Ottawa is serious about building a strong, independent economy, we must build a more reliable political relationship with China that supports access to its growing markets and tech hubs. With Canada in the throes of a productivity crisis, Canadian businesses need to be adopting and implementing leading technologies from around the world, including from China. Yet our federal government remains trapped in strategic paralysis, clinging to an Atlanticist-G7 worldview while our largest trading partner and “closest ally” treats us with contempt.
Ottawa’s acquiescence to Washington when it comes to Chinese technology creates self-inflicted economic wounds that are only getting worse. From the Huawei 5G ban to the Meng Wanzhou extradition case, Ottawa’s compliance with U.S. demands has alienated Canada from China and brought retaliatory measures in diplomacy and trade. The 100-per-cent tariffs that Ottawa imposed on Chinese electric vehicles on Oct. 1, 2024 – mirroring the Biden administration’s tariff and announced later the same day – eventually triggered retaliation against Canadian canola and pork, costing (mostly) Western farmers nearly $1-billion annually.
The irony? While Canada enforces Washington’s decoupling-from-China agenda, the U.S. quietly re-establishes its own commercial ties with China. Even as Washington pressures allies to shun Beijing, it is finalizing a bilateral agreement with China. Canada and other “allies” are enforcing rules that the rule-maker is ignoring.
On top of that, our government officials alienate China (and India) with lectures on values and the absence of like-mindedness, which restricts both sides’ political ability and willingness to expand economic relations. Yes, Canada’s pluralistic system differs greatly from China’s single-party system. But Canada trades with other countries with significantly different political systems.
Japan’s ruling Liberal Democratic Party has been in power almost continuously since 1955, and yet no one questions our economic relationship with Japan because of “different values.” Our Minister of AI is seeking investment from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to expand our AI infrastructure. And while the U.S. has a pluralistic political system similar to ours, its democratic institutions have eroded significantly. Yet we generally do not question our bilateral relationship with the U.S. on this basis.
To achieve economic independence, Canada must pivot. Between 2018-19 and the end of 2023, Mexico-China trade grew 66 per cent while maintaining U.S. ties. Why can’t we? We also need to improve technology transfer from China in ways that increase our economic strength, expedite our innovation and protect our sovereignty.
The greatest threat to Canadian sovereignty isn’t Chinese interference, it’s our servility to a U.S. that increasingly treats us as a vassal. When 95 per cent of global consumers live outside America, the fact that we rely on one increasingly unreliable partner for 75 per cent of our exports isn’t strategy, it’s strategic malpractice.
Prime Minister Mark Carney now faces a defining choice: double down on that Atlanticist worldview or embrace what Columbia University professor Jeffrey Sachs calls the “reality of the new multipolar world.” The relentless attack on Canadian prosperity and sovereignty over the past six months should make the choice obvious.
>>2388520redditors are a different breed, I don't know what that site does that turns normal people into complete freaks
or they're just elgin bots
so in other news
elon and drumpf's manufactured fight turned out to be manufactured
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c628d9mre3goMusk's Grok signs $200m deal with Pentagon days after antisemitism row>>2388554Was Foxman an MKULTRA/CIA guy?
I thought jewish new yourk guys like this always said they supported the black rights movement?
>>2388535Sperg
That’s why
>>2388565What's with them all wearing the same Palestinian flag shirt? Is this AI?
Also, Jesus, they're trying their best to piss people off aren't they?
>>2388526this guy is so fucking boring
generic white boomer
>>2388613It's completely true and relevant.
Unless they have been stripped of the right to Israeli citizenship, they are all latent Israeli dual citizens.
>>2388620No but for real Cloudflare having a complete monopoly on the internet just means it's extremely easy for governments to take down websites and spy on people across every site running Cloudflare.
Incidentally I wish Leftypol would drop Cloudflare.
>>2388621>Cloudflare having a complete monopoly on the internetIt doesn't
For one Cloudclare doesn't exist in China
>>2388616I've been in France and India and a ride at the french subway had FAR worse stank than the Indian one despite being more crowded with sweaty people
>It's the Arab immigrants fault!!Wagon was like 95% white
>>2388590The recipe of soap cleaned chicken marinated in gatorade and spiced with doritos shall be gifted to the cultureless whites, Yakub willing.
>>2388626Imagine the smell if the French imitated Indian hygiene. That would improve everything.
>>2388598Send the Brahmins back.
Dalits are cool and can stay.
>>2388723The thing I don't understand about these people is how they'll fly into hysterics because some random nobody said "Free Palestine" or some shit but the President and other members of the ruling party can regularly engage in egregious displays of actual antisemitism and they don't even bat an eye.
Granted my only interaction with these people is through your annoying need to post screenshots here so I could certainly be wrong.
>>2388411Canada is already fully Americanised. There are more differences between Texas and Seattle, between Florida and Massachusetts, than between New York and Toronto.
It would make great sense to the whole world that Canada integrates the United States of America.
>>2388218No country has a right to exist
The worst part about the western leftist Palestine movement is their general inability to actually articulate that because NO country has a right to exist nor commit genocide, Israel certainly does not
So long as you affirm nationalism you will affirm zionism, moral affront will never halt genocide
>>2388906meh, I've seen worse. like the other anon said it's a transliteration but also I often think of how schizo and inconsistent english spelling is
For example why does the ending -ough have six different pronunciations?
>cough,>tough>bough>through>thoughEnglish is in deep need of a Mao Zedong to come along and reform the spelling.
>>2388723>Breaking down over ElmoThe craziest thing is that this isn't the first antisemitic Elmo.
>>2388727>The thing I don't understand about these people is how they'll fly into hysterics because some random nobody said "Free Palestine" or some shit but the President and other members of the ruling party can regularly engage in egregious displays of actual antisemitism and they don't even bat an eye. Granted my only interaction with these people is through your annoying need to post screenshots here so I could certainly be wrong.When it comes to any random Reddit user, I don't fuckin know either. But I think a lot of pro-Israel types (who are more committed or work for actual organizations and the like, and have connections to the Israeli government) see the left as a bigger threat compared to the Elmos. On the one hand, they might be making a mistake because they're underestimating real Jew-bashing antisemitism and how dangerous it is. But perhaps they are correct – analytically – and see the left as more effective, or more likely to sync up with the Palestinian movement as an organized coalition (which the racism of the far right makes them ill-suited to do), which is more capable of producing future elites (i.e. Mamdani) who can get elected to public office.
On the sectarian left, there's a lot of talk about how Mamdani isn't radical enough. But it's not at all the case that mainstream Zionist organizations see a guy like that and think it's not a problem. They do think he's a problem. They don't want people who march in Palestine demonstrations getting elected anywhere because winning like that confers legitimacy in their world. The guy in the Elmo suit wandering around Times Square can barely sell pencils from a cup.
>>2388909<I am the best Russian writer, but I am forced to confess that I hate Russian language. Russian words are painfully long, they remind me of naked slimy worms. You know, those pink awful creatures that you can see on some hot summer night on path you walk. Worms get out of soil to copulate under the moonlight. Russian words are copulating on my table every day and night. I am looking at them with hate and I am screaming. I am gnashing my teeth. Why should put “icheskaya” to the end of “social” in “Social Republic?” Seven letters I am adding for what fuck? Fucking “icheskaya!” Hysterical, hystericheskii laugh goes out of me when I am imaging those fucking Urgo-Finns in their shadowy forests. They move in slow motion, they take their time. Why wasn’t I born in a clear lucid language dealing in “Achtung!” and “Shnell?” And when I think that Russians are only a handful of 142 million readers, it’s really depressing for a writer.– Limonov
>>2388822Absolutely
Antisemitism is repulsive but it is such a non issue in practice
The only people in this world who might actually hate Jews enough to harm them is Palestinians and that is because of a very understandable history
Iran can host as many holocaust revisionist conference all they want but when it actually came to attacking Israel they always drag their ass out of it. Even ISIS did not prioritize attacking Israel. Antisemitism is just a right wing lip service at this point
>>2388978>we are sublationright, and the synagogue of satan go to hell, no?
who professes to be jews and are not?
who is inwardly, rather than outwardly circumcised?
who is the chosen people?
>>2388967Christianity was just as sect of Judaism when it started out. Judaism actually had several competing sects when Christianity emerged: Zealots, Essenes, Pharisees, Sadducees, with Christianity as a sort of 5th sect that combined elements from the others. Why it managed to spread and become a world religion is because it dropped three things
>the demand for circumcision of the flesh (accepting Jesus as your lord and savior is by contrast framed as "circumcision of the heart")>the ethnocentric focus on other Jews: They preached to "the gentiles," mostly Greek and Latin speaking people in the Roman empire.>the demand for a kosher dietBy dropping these two things, but keeping the monotheism, and adding the principle of salvation, Christianity spread worldwide. It is ultimately derived from Judaism, but it is also distinct. Also Islam may have arrived through Jewish-Christians who went East and kept doing circumcision and kosher. The prophet Muhammad was supposedly raised Christian.
"Cultural appropriation" is such a silly way to frame these things. Culture spreads and evolves, therefore culture appropriates itself. People who get mad at such things are afraid of their own way of life becoming too popular. It's bizarre and insular. Samaritanism and Druze are dying out because they're even more restrictive than Judaism and you can't even convert or marry into Druze.
>>2388978And to further muddy the waters Islam also came out and claim to be sublation of Christianity
One of the downsides of Monotheism (or rather monism in general) is that there can only be 1 (one) correct way of describing reality so you have to claim that either everyone before you is either wrong or you are perfecting their methods
This is extremely different from pagans who are Rhyzomatic in nature. You can be a Hindu and a Buddhist at the same time. Hindus and Buddhists don't waste their time over who is the true party line
>>2388987the true israelis the spiritual israel of the christian church; thats the point.
>>2388986nichodemus was a saducee and was pulled toward salvation, while the pharisees put Christ to death, so that deepens the context of sectarianism
>>2388988muslims dont believe in the crucifixion, so it fails to grasp the message of salvation as spiritual resurrection
>>2388985>Circumcised at heart You do realize that all of the apostles are circumcised in practice and in spirit right. And the term circumised at heart is a perfect illustration of this; we internalized the covenant of Judaism, not destroying it. Think not that i am come to destroy the law etc etc
>Synagogue of satanThis does not mean what you think it is. I keep seeing this misquote in Burger youtube comment sections
>>2388993>we internalized the covenant of Judaism, not destroying itjews circumcise the flesh, not the heart. that is the direct meaning. christians are saved. jews are not.
>This does not mean what you think it is.explain what "synagogue of satan" means, then.
https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-made-it-harder-highly-paid-workers-to-swap-jobs-2025-7Florida is letting companies make it harder for highly paid workers to swap jobs, thanks to Ken GriffinOne of the most employer-friendly policies in the US has become law.
Florida enacted legislation that allows companies to enforce non-compete agreements for up to four years, up from the current two. The new law is a big win for Citadel CEO Ken Griffin, who advocated for it.
With the new arrangement, employees leaving a company would be relieved of their job responsibilities but severely restricted from working elsewhere. They would keep their pay and benefits but wouldn't be entitled to bonuses, which can make up a large chunk of pay in finance and management positions.
The rule applies to workers earning at least twice the average local wage in Florida, which is about $140,000 in urban areas, plus those who have access to confidential employer information.
>>2389061Literally who?
Is he gonna run? Good luck. Nobody is going to remember how to say/write/enunciate 'Yglessiasis'. It looks like a ketamine induced typo.
>>2388957>Antisemitism is repulsive but it is such a non issue in practice. The only people in this world who might actually hate Jews enough to harm them is Palestinians and that is because of a very understandable history … Antisemitism is just a right wing lip service at this pointI think it's an issue, but less because it's threatening to the Jews but because it's dumb. I don't like the way we talk about antisemitism in this way, like whether it makes Jews feel unsafe or hurts their feelings or whatever it is. Frankly, the neurotically paranoid stuff that gets cross-posted here from r/Judaism comes across as sheltered and frighteningly over-sensitive suburbanites from the U.S. who have panic attacks when they see a Free Parking sign because they think it says Free Palestine, which doesn't even make them good Zionists.
The real problem with antisemitism is that it's a cope that people pick up when they don't want to face or own up to something. Operate in bad faith, but they're lying to themselves more than anybody.
Sarte believed it was a dodge for people who didn't want to take responsibility for their own freedom. In his existential philosophy, we are radically free because we have no fixed human nature, so we must create ourselves through our own choices. This basically means you can't blame your actions on God – there's no divine plan – or society or biology and so forth. The Jew in the antisemite's mind is like a malovelent demiurge which is pulling the strings behind society's problems, possessing cosmic responsibility for capitalism
and communism, for decadence
and revolution. The Jew is the enemy which explains everything, but that also relieves the antisemite from having to take responsibility for his own failures and the complexity of the world. It's a way of avoiding changing oneself
and changing the world. Such is also true for political movements.
It's a shield against the demand to change the world. Or really just engage in it meaningfully. Like you said, it's lip service. It's something Kanye can blurt but there's nothing deep, meaningful, or interesting about what he says. He's just another lonely Elmo frustrated by something in his entertainment career. And I suspect this is probably the reason why those Zionists take the left more seriously than right-wing antisemites. The neurotic girl on r/Judaism can get up in a sweat about it, but I don't think the Israeli government is intimidated by the Elmos. To such an extent that this is a problem on the left, it'll come as a manifestation from people who are failing to get a career started in activism or politics. Cynthia McKinney comes to mind. I can see some failed "ML" streamer who copes with his situation by turning on the Jews. There's an audience for that, anyways.
>>2389015I was gonna say that those are different anons who hold different positions and you should stop pretending leftypol is a monolith but then this retard
>>2389040 opened his mouth
>>2389179>>2389194>>2389197Meanwhile, in reality
Zionism-Nazism was real
>>2389204I did watch the video and …
>but the Nazis themselves ranged from "I don't give a shit" to " I hate" Zionism and the video you posted yourself explains it.…this is incomplete, and you know it. The Haavara Agreement was support for Zionism. Just because it wasn't done for practical reasons for the Nazis doesn't mean it wasn't essentially material support for Zionsim. Turns out when you're an ethnonationalist Nazi, and you believe races "belong" in geographically bound regions permanently, you'll deport White German Speaking Jews to Palestine because it is "their" ethnostate according to your worldview. And in that same video Stefan talks about how the support continued after the Havaara agreement:
9m38s:
>There was a division within the Nazi government. Some supported the Haavara Agreement for practical reasons. Others were against it, arguing, it would help build a Jewish homeland with German funds. The internal debate wasn't resolved until early 1938, when Hitler personally decided that Jewish emigration to Palestine would continue. [bold emphasis mine] >>2389257Hitler was also offering to deport jews to France, the USA, and the UK.
He clearly wanted Zionism to take root in those nations too.
He clearly also did the Holocaust just because his master plan was always to give the jews a sob story so they could take over the world clearly.
Hitler was the ultimate Zionist, he wasn't even a Nazi, he was pretending to be one to help Zionism.
Look at this goalpost moving dawg
>>2389204>you don't watch your own videos the nazis didn't support zionismbecomes
>>2389243>ok you did watch the video but the Haavara Agreement wasn't supporting zionismbecomes
>>2389248>>2389251>you are the real ethnonationalist and you only want christians and muslims allowed in palestine(not true btw)
>and also hitler was a retarded drug addict therefore we shouldn't take nazi ethnonationalism at face valueWhat will the next irrelevant cope be? Here is my point: Hitler supported German Jewish emigration to Zionist settler colonies in Palestine. Therefore Hitler was objectively zionist in his actions. Why? Because he was an ethnonationalist. What will the next cope be?
>>2389276>[sarcastic] Hitler was the ultimate Zionist, he wasn't even a NaziStop pretending that's what I'm saying and stop pretending nazism and zionism are mutually exclusive when both are forms of ethnonationalism, which is what I've been saying all along.
btw you keep confusing enthusaism with support. just because nazis weren't enthusiastic about zionism doesn't mean they didn't objectively support it. Marxism has always distinguished between support that is conditional and comes with criticism and support that is undconditional and comes witohout criticsm. It also distinguishes between support that is immaterial (cheerleading, propaganda) and support that is material (troops, workers, weapons, tools, provisions)
nazi support for zionism was unenthusiastic because nazis hated jews, but it was very much real, and very much material.
>>2389280The problem is that there is no goal post moving, we're defining the argument being made.
I might be putting no effort into my responses just pointing this out further, but unless Hitler expressly put out vocal support for the creation of a Jewish homeland anywhere, not even in Palestine then no I'm sorry but he didn't support it.
>>2389281This article interesting as it is, doesn't prove anything it's like saying the Western Reich Party colluding with the USSR is proof of something major, or that the Molotov Ribbentrop pact was super crucial and a major sign from the USSR that it supported Nazism, from the very start it mentions the use of Zionists funding Nazi Germany as a tax haven.
This is all fine and neat little interesting facts but in the major political world of WW2 it's cope to call these actions supportive of anything.
Hitler stated he supported British colonization of India but accepted anti British Indian volunteers.
Taking temporary allied actions in the war was exactly what they did, it meant nothing if you look at the total history.
This creates a purity spiral in one of two directions.
Everyone in this thread either for optics to a place that needs none, or for personal belief is trying to convince themselves that if one genocidal ideology is operating it must have fully allied itself with another.
>BUT HITLERS MATERIAL ACTIONS!Mean he was also Anti British right?
Wrong.
Hitler acted with what he could do.
If you treat these subtilties like they're concrete then you open up a whole can of worms.
And either all of it happened, or none of it did.
>>2389293>nazism and zionism are mutually exclusive when both are forms of ethnonationalism,And you confuse support with reluctant projects.
Hitler did not help install a Zionist government or support it like the UK did, he sent groups there because it was feasible at the time.
>nazi support for zionism was unenthusiastic because nazis hated jews, but it was very much real, and very much material.As was anti-Angloism I'm sure.
>>2389293>It also distinguishes between support that is immaterial (cheerleading, propaganda) and support that is material (troops, workers, weapons, tools, provisions)I don't think cheerleading and propaganda is immaterial. It has a material effect.
>>2389295>Everyone in this thread either for optics to a place that needs none, or for personal belief is trying to convince themselves that if one genocidal ideology is operating it must have fully allied itself with another.It's an insane, one-sided, dogmatic kind of mechanical materialism (?) that some leftists get into it. Like if you're not a materialist but an idealist, you can't be a revolutionary and then they go about re-writing history such that idealists who they like in history become materialists and vice-versa.
>>2389295> but unless Hitler expressly put out vocal support for the creation of a Jewish homeland anywhere, not even in Palestine then no I'm sorry but he didn't support it.I like how the actual material support provided to zionism pointed out in these posts:
>>2389281>>2389230is irrelevant to you just because hitler wasn't going around and doing the immaterial vocal cheerleading of talking about loving der judenstaat
Guess what? Hitler did more for Zionism between 1933 and 1939 than the average Jew living at the time, his hatred of Jews notwithstanding. materially supporting zionism, even if opportunistically, even if conditionally, even if unenthusiastically is still material support for zionism.
>>2389076It sucks that "da jooz control everything" (it's actually just Israel) happens to be in some ways true at this particular moment in history for a certain number of large nations (the United States far more than anywhere else), because I can't think of a point in time really anywhere before now where you could say something like that and not be completely off your rocker (or vying for political power). It's maddening.
>>2389103What, do you think the religions at the dawn of civilization were going to play nice with each other? The worshipers of Yahweh were just the only ones that made it out with their records intact. Try to use your noggin every now and then.
>>2389307If Hitler transferring jewish migrants into jewish communities in Palestine does more to support Zionism than ever helping put a jewish only government into power then therefore the USSR supported Nazism even after the war in West Germany, and Hitler was deeply anti-Anglo despite all his vocal support for British colonialism.
Again if you're going to be implying all this based off material actions and crude materialism then either all of it means something, or none of it means as much as people think which is why it isn't viewed as important to the discussion.
The Haavara agreement is a good way of showcasing that even ethnonationalists of the people being genocided will work together with other reactionary pieces of shit, it should not be used as a hill to die on to show that one dead ideology endorsed another shit ideology.
>>2389312>60% of capital invested in Palestine was channeled through the NazisBecause they also broke economic sanctions and made money off it. I'm certain even if the funds went directly to Zionist terror groups and I assume they didn't, that those funds still did less than what the allies did in helping prop up Isn't real.
>>2389329>so far you have pretended I'm a "crude materialist" You are, your entire argument is founded on projects and "Work with them even if we hate them" from both Zionist sides linked in that Marxist org article, and Hitler.
>slandered me as a nazi,I have done no such thing I'm not sure if someone else did but I haven't.
>and pretended material support is irrelevant just because it was opportunistic realpolitik.In the world of WW2 and even post war you have to understand that in many ways yes, that is the case even in large scale terms.
Moreover is the fact that even when it was realpolitik the problem is that the agreement working with Zionism did not endorse it.Nor has it proven to be the major crux of all Zionism much less the establishment of Israel.
Failure to understand this when even stronger allies have been made before by the Nazis again can only lead to purity spirals because it ignores nuance.
>>2389341If the Nazis were pro Israel due to material support of investing capital and manpower indirectly through deporting people they did not want to Palestine then therefore the USSR was always a Wall Street funded glow op that support fascism, and Hitler was always the anglospheres strongest opponent because we have proof of critical supportive relations between all these groups.
It's that simple and this the world you're indirectly setting up.
Strongly consider if that's what you want just so you can go "HA HA DA NAZIS SUPPORTED ISRAEL!" To either a group of rabid conservatives who hate you, a group of liberals or socdems who historically always chose fascism over communims, Israelis who cannot be reasoned with because they're already being little Dirlewangers in Palestine by raping POWs, or literal Nazis who want to kill you no matter what.
>>2389348you're just being dishonest at this point. hitler supported zionism because he injected settlers and capital into zionist colonies in israel. it doesn't matter if he hated jews. hitler supported zionism and the only people who have a strong material interest in denying this are nazis (who don't want to be seen as supporting "international jewry") and zionists (who don't want to be seen as being supported by antisemitic reactionaries).
Zionism is ethnonationalist racial chauvinism.
Nazism is ethnonationalist racial chauvinism.
Nazis objectively supported zionism for realpolitik reasons through the Ha'avara agreement and similar deals. The ball is in your court to prove that didn't happen but you can't, you can only crow about how it wasn't actual support for by twisting yourself into a philosophical word .
>>2389076Jews are the American Tutsi. They are freaking out because their racially nepotistic accumulation of wealth is being questioned by the larger ethnic group they dominate.
Also Sartre is shit. Materialist forces constrain human freedom and he's entire philosophy is cope.
>>2389357you're just being dishonest at this point. The German Monarchy sent Lenin and afterword Wall Street funded the USSR government injecting capital and crucial support for Bolshevism in Russia.
It doesn't matter if they claimed to be against communism in the states. They supported Bolshevism.
Capitalism and the Germans objectively supported Bolshevism to get Russia out of the war.
The ball is in your court to prove that it didn't happen but you can't because according to your own standards it did.
>>2389386I won't like responding to a retarded claim like that with an avowed yes is something I have no response to.
I concede.
>>2389392See above none of what I just said is word salad, everything I mentioned were all things that under the same logic you have the USSR, China, and others msot certainly did.
>What stake do you have in denying this instance of an antisemitic ethnonationalist project supporting a Jewish-supremacist ethnonationalist project, for opportunistic reasons albeit?It's pretty clear that I'm clarifying misconceptions.
Why do you need to claim the two endorsed each other because of that project?
Is it not enough for you that the agreement alone showed that reactionaries are such low life scum bags they work together with their own genociders, you NEED to prove that the two of them approved of each others ideas through small projects?
>>2389402The Nazis were a political party under a singular leader at their zenith, organized toward the same overall goals and following the orders of that leader. This isn't an even remotely similar situation.
>>2389407You do know that any dipshit with enough money can start an "organization", right?
>>2389400Did the kaiser send russian radicals back to Russia despite hating them because he saw them as a destabilizing force on a government he was at war with? yes.
Did this constitute (conditional, critical, material) support for Bolshevism? Yes.
Did the nazis deport Jews to Palestine despite hating them because they were ethnonationalists? Yes. D
Did this constitute (conditional, critical, material) support for Zionism? Yes.
Still confused? Apparently you are because your only response is "that's ridiculous and I don't need to say anything"
>>2389402>Neither were the Nazis.which is why hitler intervened in 1938 in an intra-party dispute to continue supporting zionism despite the opinion of some nazis against it.
>>2389400>Why do you need to claim the two endorsed each other because of that project?critical, material, conditional support is not an enthusiastic "endorsement". Why do you have to pretend "endorse" is what is being said?
>>2389335I'm not a janny so I can't stop them from shitting up the thread. I just think it's pointless to argue with them. It's like arguing with the antisemitic crackpot wearing an Elmo costume near Times Square. I argue with you because you're making a historical argument.
>>2389357Okay but most Jews who didn't leave Germany were sent to death camps. It's a little unreasonable by my standards to say they were in cahoots. The Taliban agreed quietly not to target U.S. forces when they evacuated from Afghanistan but I don't hear anybody talking about a Taliban-U.S. alliance. The Taliban wanted the Americans gone and "we" didn't want our soldiers to get killed by the Taliban on the way out.
>>2389400>Why do you need to claim the two endorsed each other because of that project?Nazis supported zionism conditionally for the purposes of ethnonationalism =/= "zionists and nazis endorsed each other"
word-twister
>>2389412>critical, material, conditional support is not an enthusiastic "endorsement". Why do you have to pretend "endorse" is what is being said?Ok so Hitler worked with and provided material support through Zionist networks that also paid him back to export jews who incidentally would have gone towards settler camps.
But it is not endorsement of a Israeli government state for the jewish people?
>>2389369/pol/ has been posting shit on this board all day, there's a reason the mods had to delete so many posts itt.
Why even deny it or call the anon pointing it out a schizo?
>>2389301lmao trumps says now that the epstein client list is a democrat hoax.
migaturds are being insulted hard looool
>>2389414>Okay but most Jews who didn't leave Germany were sent to death camps. They only sent the Jews who were sinners in their past life who the Nazis helped repay their karmic debt and help the good Jews create Israel. The official rabbi of Israel declared so.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/rabbi-says-holocaust-victims-were-reincarnations-of-sinners-711547.htmlI love Judaism. A very normal and respectable belief system and to say otherwise would be anti-septic.
>>2389435I wasn't with the other two retards shitting up the thread, you probably triggered them the moment you brought up Israel. The mods I'm certain have visible user ID's even if we do not and they can tell you I did not once shitpost against Judaism.
>>2389441Yeah because all Nazis support clarifying what Zionism is between any Judaist involvement and Zionism itself.
No wonder you guys are so confused.
>>2389451>you probably triggered them the moment you brought up Israel.bruh israel has been discussed ITT long before I brought up nazis supporting zionism
hell back up here
>>2388664>>2388619>>2388676we had poltards shitting up the thread with images from "naggers.net" with a watermark of pepe curbstomping black people
>>2389469do sumn bitch
pussy ass bitch
>>2389430The Garland, TX shooting was prodded along by the feds BTW.
>>2389434This is nonsense. The Nazis did not support ethnonationalism as some general or universal principle with each race having its own national homeland. They didn't believe that for the Slavs and they didn't believe it for the Jews either. They believed in inequality as a fundamental fact of biological existence, and applied to ethnic groups, a racial struggle with Aryans at the top and other ethnic groups as inferior subhumans and obstacles to their supremacy.
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