/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2388340
>no one is looking at 'excess mortality' in the US and condemning them for killing millions of people.
Listen to Death Panel podcast and read Health Communism
>Yes, the GLF and cultural revolution were bad
(Maoist Red Guard schoolgirls with eye lasers meme)

>>2388238
Not this individualism nonsense.

Comrade Mao had far less importance and power than is mistakenly attributed to him. Mao was a good man but not a great man who do not exist.

Jesus Christ this site is cooked.
>mao was bourgeois
vs
>mao was retarded aside from the bourgeoise things he did and Deng was better

>>2388358
didn't the cultural revolution target not just capitalist roaders and bourgeoisie but also random people people educated in STEM fields who were contributing massively to the PRC? Like the very same people who helped China get its first atomic weapons were targeted by the GPCR. So it seems to me that it was at least partially retarded, counterproductive, and a circular firing squad. Some people always want to defend purges as getting rid of reactionaries but it's very obvious when a shotgun is being used instead of tweezers to remove lice.

And just like the purges of the 1930s didn't stop revisionism from eventually taking hold, the GPCR didn't stop Deng. It is very easy for defenders of these purges to double down and say no, actually they didn't go far enough. But the question becomes in what regard? Perhaps they didn't go far enough in the regard that they actually failed to target the bourgeoisie, and perhaps they went too far in the regard that they falsely targeted a lot of communists?

>>2423087
"They should have targeted the bourgeoisie" is easy to say but what do you mean by that specifically? The old pre-revolutionary Chinese bourgeoisie had been reduced to a bunch of pensioners without any capital, they were expropriated in the 50s. If you mean that the bureaucratic clique constituted a new bourgeoisie and the GCPR should have targeted them more than it did then most Maoists would agree with you.

>>2423573
>students told me if it does not bring us closer to liberation it's a waste of paper and ink
<so i went to work in the factory and learn from the workers who humbled tf out of me
<also it fixed my relationship with my son
starting to think these red guards guys were a bit based.

>>2423573
>the red guards came to my house
>asked if i had reactionary books
>I had a lot of foreign books on math/science
>they said these weren't reactionary but they did ask how it contributed to the development of the country
>they didn't make me burn the books or throw them out (he still has a lot of books around him clearly in the video)
>they made me go work in the countryside to learn what it feels like to do agricultural labor

now compare that with this scene from the 3 body problem (written by westoids, specifically the game of thrones guys) which shows a professor getting literally beaten to death because "atomic physics is reactionary because Einstein helped the American imperialists build the atom bomb" (China already had an atom bomb by the time the cultural revolution happened)

>>2423634
Looks like a fun time tbh. Id be the guy with the microphone

>>2423650
I am saying westoid propaganda always lies.

>>2423664
I know, that much is a given

>>2423634
>tv series literally based on a world renowned Chinese novel series
>no you see the scene based on a part of novel is actually westoid propaganda 🤓
Or you know, the Chinese masses have been thought a reductive/reactionary view of the GPCR because the GPCR's legacy is one of the the most significant threats to Chinese capitalism and obviously western media will ratchet up this reductive view to like x1000.

>>2388238
以真主的名义，最仁慈，最仁慈的你的脖子将落入列宁-斯大林无敌党的剑下。 野蛮的野兽会在你的身体上盛宴，而毛泽东主义温暖的阳光照亮了所有热爱自由的人的祖国。你是地球上的渣滓，侮辱了我们心中灿烂的红太阳毛主席。 太阳的耀眼的红色光芒，即马克思列宁主义-毛泽东主义将永远吞没你。

>>2423634
>they made me go work in the countryside to learn what it feels like to do agricultural labor
That's not what happened, he was worried about being sent to the farms and thought he was to old, then he went to work in the factory instead.

>>2423634
This is exactly how it is described in the novels; written by a chinese patriot.

>>2423634
>written by westoids
3-body-problem is a Chinese novel.

>>2423734
maybe they meant the Netflix TV show.

>>2423737
Maybe but there are plenty of Chinese people (including the current CPC leadership) who have a negative view of the Cultural Revolution.

>>2423734
the only reason it won awards is because the CIA read the book and pushed for it to be made popular because it criticized the cultural revolution. author is a libshit.

>>2423747
Anon the CPC criticizes the cultural revolution.

>>2423737
>Posts clip from Netflix adaptation written by the Game of Thrones writers
>States exactly what they're criticizing and why
>"b-b-b-but it was a Chinese novel!"
>"hmm maybe he was referring to the Netflix adaptation."
Are y'all seriously that dense? What a useless series of responses.

>>2423746
Correct. Much of the historical revisionism surrounding the Cultural Revolution comes from China and the Communist Party itself. See attached:
>[The Capitalist Roaders] were primarily nationalists and they participated in the Communist revolution because that was the only viable route they could find to Chinese nationalism. The two themes of nationalism and class struggle worked together well before 1949 (Dong 2006). But after 1949, the two themes could not fit together so well. For Liu Shaoqi and Deng Xiaoping class struggle was more a means to an end of achieving national unity and dignity. Once that goal had been accomplished the class struggle theme of the Marxist paradigm became irrelevant and the class struggle of the Maoist paradigm was seen as disastrously erroneous. The theme of national unity meant that political control had to remain tight, or democratic reform would lead to national disintegration. The theme of national dignity meant that China’s economy needed to catch up with that of the West. Therefore, to embrace market capitalism was a natural course of action for them. What happened after the death of Mao proved this beyond dispute.
>[In 1985] A poster was put up on a wall on Northwest Cotton Factory No. 1 in a very busy district. The title of the poster is Wenhua da geming hao (The Cultural Revolution was Good). In the poster the authors listed merits of the Cultural Revolution such as the building of the Nanjing Bridge, the creation of hybrid rice crops and the rise of people’s consciousness. The poster alarmed not only the city, provincial authorities but also the central CCP. Beijing sent an investigative team to find out what the ‘active reactionaries’ were up to. The person found guilty was a young worker at a shoe factory. He was sentenced to ten years’ jail and died in jail soon after arrest without any apparent cause (Wu Zhenrong and Deng Wenbi 2004).

>>2423765
>What a useless series of responses.
My point was mainly about how silly it is to blame "Westoids" and the CIA for negative portrayals of the GPCR when there is no shortage of such views in China itself. The initial post is pointless unless the scene in the Netflix version differs substantially from the scene in the novel.

>>2388275
based

>>2388400
the US?

>>2423791
based China

>>2423737
It's the same in the novel. You haven't read it? It was part of the Barack Obama book club.

>>2423747
Well that's funny because Liu Cixin made the libs mad because he has said things they don't like about the Chinese government lifting the Uyghurs out of poverty and that Western-style liberal democracy would lead to chaos. And then some of his lib fans would be like "oh he's just saying cuz he doesn't get arrested by the Chinese government." You know how the libs be.

>>2423746
There are plenty of Chinese people who have a positive view of the GCPR too. Read the Mobo Gao book maoanon linked you but you don't even have to do that, go on propaganda videos from the GCPR era and translate the Mandarin comments. It should also activate your almonds that the western anti-communist interpretation of the GCPR is functionally identical to the CPC's.

>>2423634
>3 body problem
people actually watch the american version when the chinese version exists???
>>2423747
>author is a libshit.
dark forest is pretty obviously an allegory for the cold war with reform and opening up being the same as hiding your radio signals or whatever

>>2424138
>It was part of the Barack Obama book club.
Reminds me of how a Hungarian (i could be wrong) author in the 70s wrote a clearly anti-communist novel but was given the USSR's highest literary award because revisionism is a bitch and shit. This is way worse btw.

>>2423634
>>2423734
This is one of the worst books out there, it is reactionary and written by a reactionary. The whole plot is about aliens being dangerous and the bad guys are alien sympathisers. Dark Forest theory is stupid. The Three Body Problem book exemplifies the capitalist reaction in China, where Communism is no longer the future for the world and humanity's future is instead built around 'surviving'. Any mass movement is scary and evil because it is written by someone who knows he would be rightfully liquidated by the people for being a right winger. I can only graze the surface of how reactionary it is.

>>2388238
You must only be reading the most ridiculous liberal wank then. What did he fail at apart from the great leap forward (which was part an honest failiure to skip capitalism and was also sabotaged by rightists)? Communes were a success, New Democracy was a success, Hundred Flowers was a succes, GPCR was an immense success. He wasn't anything like Stalin in any way, like have you not read about the history of the CPC and the Soviet Union? And I don't understand why people try to defend every thing Stalin did and then shit on Mao, when Stalin made way more mistakes than Mao. Like you can admit he was very flawed and still uphold him (this is what all serious communists do since Mao).

>>2425826
>people actually watch the american version when the chinese version exists???
Both are reactionary.
>dark forest is pretty obviously an allegory for the cold war with reform and opening up being the same as hiding your radio signals or whatever
So as they were saying: lib shit. If their intention was an allegory for reform and opening up during the cold war, then it's a shit, revisionist allegory.

>>2425849
any recommendations of stuff that isnt liberal wankfest

>>2425907
There is none

>>2388238

Well, I am Chinese. About 15 years ago, I also thought Mao was a "retard," until I truly studied what he did and combined it with historical events.
My conclusion is that his ultimate goal was:
>To give ordinary people the power to overthrow any government at any time.
This was something unprecedented in Chinese history.
He believed that in order to motivate people, they first had to feel that they were working for their own families, meaning that the work was entirely their own.
As for the Great Leap Forward, did he really not know that the provinces and cities were exaggerating production numbers? Did he not realize that such grain collection would cause people to starve?
He knew, but the Soviet Union was about to stop exporting industrial products to China, and the only way China could earn foreign exchange was through agricultural products. He had to act fast during this window period to purchase more industrial goods.
As for the deterioration of Sino-Soviet relations, I think it was because China was developing too quickly, similar to the current tensions between the U.S. and China. The Soviet Union and the U.S. never misjudged China, and later, China joined the U.S. camp during the Cold War, causing the Soviet Union to deploy a large portion of its military forces to the East.
I’ve gone off track a bit.
To get back to the point, the biggest difference between Deng Xiaoping and Mao Zedong is that Deng believed there was only one way to motivate people, and that was "greed."
China's development has largely relied on "greed." For example, corruption among officials was tolerated. If a mayor embezzled 5% of a city’s tax revenue but had strong abilities and managed to increase the city's GDP by several times, his corruption would be overlooked. The same goes for the higher-ups in the CCP. Corruption was something the Jiang Zemin faction had to do. They didn’t actually lack money, nor were they particularly fond of money—it was just a way of expressing their position.

I’ve said a lot. It may not be directly related to Mao Zedong, but every event has its reasons. To become a politician, they’re really not as “retarded” as people think.

Daily reminder that Mao wouldn't have needed to run a peasant revolution if COMINTERN didn't urge the CPC's proles to disarm and get them massacred by the KMT.

>>2425963
Thank you for your insight Chinese anon

>>2388405
In Building the Party, Cliff briefly complains near the start about the USSR official documentaries and the 🍀anglo🍀 M-Ls for being delusional of Lenin and pretending he was born fukkin Jesus Christ son of Marx, instead of finally becoming a Marxist after years and years of Narodism, which was popular at the time unlike the literal dozens of Russian Marxists back then. (In the likely case that any mentally-ill people are reading this - don't reply until you realize that this is not a critique of Lenin in any way!).

>>2425963
>My conclusion is that his ultimate goal was:
>To give ordinary people the power to overthrow any government at any time.
>He believed that in order to motivate people, they first had to feel that they were working for their own families, meaning that the work was entirely their own.
I find Mao to be the most fascinating communist leader. He believed the average Chinese was clever, creative and inventive person and could think for themselves and figure things out and change their lives, their country, and the world.

>>2425963
China was prone to droughts in cycles just look up Chinese history of famines they had major ones every few decades. Same with the Slavic countries. How do you explain Mao shutting down schools? That clearly was retarded. He also did other stupid things like try to kill entire species off, though that isn't uniquely stupid to him or any ideology.

>>2425904
ultras would say that

>>2425963
Based. Permanent cultural revolution NOW

>>2426005
you could honestly adapt the four sparrows campaign to modern times by targeting invasive plant species like phragmites in the US or spartina in China.

>>2425849
>GPCR was an immense success
I don't know how you can possibly say this. I think there are valuable things there with the GCPR but its stated goals were not achieved, Mao himself had largely betrayed it even by 67 and it ended with the restoration of capitalism in China. It was an attempt to counter bureaucracy by mobilizing the masses but despite the slogans about Paris Mao never trusted the masses enough to commit to communes. And if you're countering bureaucracy with "mass" organizations run in actuality by party cadres and the PLA, you are trying to counter bureaucracy with bureaucracy.

>>2426198
Ultras in China refers to Maoists who reject market reforms

Gpcr was sctually existing anarchism, which is why it failed

great leap forward wouldnt have happened if the US had accepted maos and enlais early 1945 olive branch for good relations and potential economic cooperation. instead they ignored him and pushed china into the arms of russia delaying what nixon ended up doing anyway by 30 years

Mmm anti chinese psyop thread
He was actually great and the more you learn the more based he gets. Keep crying.