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>>2389495DEATH TO ALL ZIONISTS (sandi will call this philosemitism) (mods please don't ban him, let him embarass himself)
>>2390475THIS
RUN A CAR IN ANTI-ISRAEL PROTESTS NOW BECAUSE THEY DON'T NAME
THE JEW >>2390493you can see the bodies of children on twitter every single day if you go out of your way to filter by gaza massacre videos on xcancel. this is the most documented genocide in human history but we live in the age of echo chambers.
>>2390499pretty sure russia still cares that the burgers arm literal self-hating slavic nazi azovites in cuckraine against them at the same time as they arm zionists in israel
>>2390501Yeah, no shit? Look at old /pol/ memes like "open borders for Israel", they didn't even know that Israel had bounties on Ethiopian(uyghur) Jews and yet let in Slavs(white(hahahaha) after the fall off the USSR(controlled by russian saboteurs btw). Israel is literally the dream of the mustache man which is why he originally wanted to send Jews there, it's an expansion of western power but unfortunately it's jew shit. I miss being a kid in the 00's and thinking we were just bombing shitskins on our own, I would've been okay if we did for the sake of it and stealing oil and if jews weren't involved
>>2390502>rabbi graffiting swastika on the wall I know your tricks russian saboteur
>>2390511it's always CIA backed reactionaries whether it's the mongolian or ukrainians
>it's just a way to say fuck you to russiansno it's a way for the CIA to say fuck you to communism because nazism is anti communist like all forms of ethnonationalism including zionism, capiche?
>>2390511I literally cannot explain how much I fucking hate and despise post-USSR eastern European politics
It's always the stupidest fucking shit ever and THAT is the biggest tragedy of the fall of the USSR
Nazis would've tortured all of them and yet slavs jerk it to them
>>2390515That's one thing I regret, I'm too used to being on 4cuck and knowing everyone thinks communism is the biggest fucking boogeyman around
And yet here you have some /pol/yps praising people and ideologies that wanted to wipe out both the ideology and the very people of the USSR. I brought that up when someone posted Hitler, but they always ALWAYS shimmy their way out and ignore that line of questioning
Why are they here? Do they even like Marx? No.
>>2390547I think you're misinterpreting that phrase, he's saying Rubio would be fine with China being communist so long as it remained poor.
Just like how he famously doesn't give a fuck about Cuba or Venezuela.
>>2390550but socialism will win because socialism is not poverty. capitalism is poverty and backwardness
>I think you're misinterpreting that phrase, he's saying Rubio would be finestop making this anon out to be some genius when he posts shit like this
>>2390549 >>2390555it's much more pleasant if you treat this place as somewhere to shitpost and bait people instead of a place to seriously discuss anything
unless someone coups the mods and institutes a /leftypol/ purge and cultural revolution
>>2390569Would the 8ch oldheads agree with Francesca Alabanese or Rick Allen?
Because for some reason the current crop of PC zogbots seem to agree with this guy.
>>2390581I think you're approaching it from a way too rational position. But dehumanizing someone isn't always out of a genuine belief of superiority/inferiority, but a desire to advance a political agenda of some kind. For example MAGAs obviously don't think Mexicans are all rapists and murderers, but using them as a boogeyman to scare white suburbia into voting R is extremely effective. Defining ingroups and outgroups is not really something the Left engages in, but it is an effective means of advancing political ideology by politically isolating your enemies. Thus, making Zionists scared, dehumanizing them at any opportunity, posting pictures of dead IDF dogs any time you encounter one on Twitter or Reddit or whatever, getting those around you to also demonize them, is all an effective means of isolating Zionists in the public consciousness. Do to them what has been done to Indians, Asians, Mexicans, Arabs, etc over the last 30 years. Hone in on Zionist criminals, Zionist pedophiles, Zionist corrupt officials, and force the public to subconsciously associate Zionism with evil. This might be the most effective way to defeat "the Israel lobby" once and for all tbqh.
>>2390590agitate. force them to push increasingly unhinged policy that just further exposes the jewish lobby's power in America. basically what's going on with universities right now. americans dont like feeling weak in their own country. give it long enough and people will lash out over the inability to criticize israel.
>>2390593>ok so who gets to decide what kind of dehumanization is "based" and what kind of dehumanization is "cringe" and when your target has had enough dehumanization for one day and when to reign it in before it spills over or begans to target other groups either unrelated or only tangentially related to your target. This whole "tactical dehumanization for short term political gains" thing sounds deeply reactionary to me, just giving it a quick sniff test.oh it's absolutely reactionary and very much not a good long term strategy. it's just, if you want to manipulate the public towards a particular stance with no regard for the spillover effects, dehumanizing and isolating your enemies is actually effective. the Soviets did a good job dehumanizing Nazis in Eastern Europe both during and after the war. making them feel unsafe even if they're living undercover.
if I was Khamas I would be doing this, since the destruction of Israel is an existential issue for them. in regards to an average american that isn't being bombed daily by the IDF, i'd suggest just ridding yourself of the guilt one feels when harassing a zionist. whatever happens after can be dealt with as it occurs. things like spreading hatred to other groups is inevitable even in the current climate, so your activities probably won't have a significant effect in increasing hatred; americans are already plenty hateful man. if anything, redirecting their innate desire to hate towards israelis might save the rest of us some grief when Twitter isn't an endless deluge of anti-black and anti-arab spam.
>>2390485>not knowing lpol lorelurk moar.
yes, Brazuca.
there was a sandi-brit anon who spammed the China thread with Sinophobe posts, and still posts in the /UK/ thread once in a while, though.
>>2390602not the same anon, and I'm not disputing that 90% of jews are zionist, for all i know it might be 95%, but where do you get that number from? israeli polls? there are jews outside of israel and there are plenty of non jewish zionists like joe biden and donald trump.
>>2390599capitalism is a mode of production
>>2390599>We're getting antisemitsm laws and censorship up the ass to stop anon's plan in its tracks. It isn't going to happen because our country is controlled by jews.Those laws don't stop antisemitism. In fact if anything they just increase it by creating political friction. People don't like feeling like they're living in an occupied society. Not being able to criticize Israel is all it takes to make some people wanna criticize Israel.
>>2390603Israel was "founded" in the early 1900's by a band of international terrorists that were just looking to carve out a piece of the corpse of the Ottoman Empire for themselves. World War 2 was not really important to them except as a perfect excuse to ethnically cleanse Palestinians with bombings that could be attributed to "eliminating arab nazis".
>>2390570>are you implying reactionaries are reacting to somethingGenerally speaking, when I've tried to discuss shit like the Trump movement's popularity among young men, I've basically been met with the same argument over and over and over again:
>"Saying 'Kill all X' isn't a problem and anyone who thinks its a problem was always an evil person and they're just showing their true colors. We should change nothing."This isn't to say that reactionary anger is
justified but rather the impressions people get from the Left can ultimately hurt the Left. Every time I bring this up I get shouted down by people with Black & White thinking. Let me try and explain this with an anecdote: there's this infamous cold-case where a "town bully" was murdered. The guy had some connections to the mob, so he'd just blatantly do illegal shit and threaten people, and if he went to court he'd always get let off. This included raping underage girls, too.
Well one day he gets pissed off because some small business owner told him to fuck off. So he'd wait outside the guy's house and fire his pistol, he'd threaten to kill the guy, he walked around like he was invincible. Then one night, he started this big incident, the whole town came out. He's going on his usual spiel harassing and mocking them and making threats. And finally someone shoots him. The townsfolk know who did it, but they wont say, because the guy was such a fucking menace that they
all hated him. Dude's dead, case is still cold.
Now, I know
why he was killed, you know
why he was killed. The guy was a fucking cunt. But imagine if someone came around and declared "Well actually the town is just full of murderers so this was bound to happen." They'd excuse every behavior the guy engaged in as not a big deal, and insist again and again and again that it was some lack of virtue in the townsfolk themselves that caused the guy to be murdered.
That's earnestly how it feels trying to reckon with the Right's surging popularity on these issues. If you just boil things down to "a guy was extrajudicially killed" you lose all the context that might explain why. If some young idiot votes Trump because he thinks the Left despises men, then boiling it down to "Oh, you HAD to do slavery because people were MEAN to you" is as stupid as "Oh, you HAD to kill someone because they were ANNOYING." It's disregarding context, and disregarding that a lot of people will act on impulse and not think things through. A guy who kills someone in a road rage incident isn't thinking like some sober formula of: "This person cut me off, ergo they deserve to die." They're lashing out. People will lash out if antagonized. But rather than understanding there needs to be a move away from antagonism, folks will just double down and assert that the person is some manifestation of murder or misogyny or whatever vice incarnate.
https://www.state.gov/report/custom/7dccc5dc7b/>Because religious and national identities were often closely linked, it was often difficult to categorize many incidents as being solely based on religious identity.
>Christian clergy and pilgrims continued to report instances of ultra-Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem harassing or spitting on them. In one incident in June, a Catholic friar reported being assaulted in public by three men wearing kippot (yarmulkes) who spit at and verbally attacked him. When the attackers began physically assaulting the friar, bystanders intervened and forced the attackers to leave. According to the priest, police did not respond to telephone calls for assistance during the attack but recorded a complaint filed by the victim.
>On November 16, an employee of the emergency medical service Magen David Adom was filmed spitting on Christian icons placed in a hallway of a building after he collected a sample for a coronavirus test. Magen David Adom dismissed the Jewish worker, who said he did it because the symbols were “idol worship.”
<Yuri Logvanenko, a chef formerly employed by the Rehovot branch of the Yochanof supermarket chain, filed suit against the store after the chain demoted and then fired him after his Jewish status was questioned by a kashrut supervisor. Four days after Logvanenko started work at the branch, the store’s kashrut supervisor approached him and demanded in front of other employees that he prove his Jewish identity. His attorneys said that Logvanenko, who had worked at another Yochanof location for seven months prior to transferring to Rehovot, was “abused and harmed in his workplace” because he was born in the Soviet Union. Logvanenko stated that he felt he was the victim of “racism.” >>2390612Is this a joke or something?
Grok spent a day replying to everything with some shit about "white genocide in South Africa" because Musk is constantly fucking with it, Grok is the most blatantly manipulated llm out there.
>>2390617Palantir won't succeed in taking over the world of AI simply because like a good 50% of AI enthusiasts are hardcore FOSS advocate libertarian types that refuse to run any AI that can't be run locally and offline.
They can take over enterprise AI but that won't stop anyone from AI generating an antisemitic image and posting it on Twitter.
>>2390620>>2390621Fake news. Everyone is saying hot
HOT America is right now.
>>2390623You're essentially just restating my point. Grok is so poorly designed that it can be manipulated to say anything you want, and then the devs have to take it offline to "fix" it. This happens seemingly every day. AI is nowhere close to becoming Israel's strongest soldier.
>>2390626Thiel is not at all a libertarian. The dude finances mass murder robots and mass surveillance for the sake of expanding American global warfare.
>>2390641but that is not what your screenshot says. it says
>making it difficultand also, that screenshot is correct that historically revolutionary movements have had more success in the periphery (china, cuba, vietnam, even russia was not as developed as other european powers and certainly was not the core of the hegemonic capitalism at the time). get the third worldists out of your head man. it's not healthy.
>>2390610I might agree with you, but at the same time there's not really much in the way of crazy sakaist cells going around with
"kill every single honky baby" banner drops. Therefore I think this is likely a social media problem where there's some ultras sharing crazy opinions or being hyperbolic for their in group. There's no real ability for message discipline because a) it's social media and b)the extant parties aren't large or powerful enough to at least get the ultras who aren't in the party to chill.
As for the doubling down part of it, we've been on the backfoot for a long time so there just isn't going to be much time afforded to investigating what molds rank and file reactionaries when we aren't in a position to deliver a material offensive of our own. What Is To Be Done I do not know but we're running out of time.
>>2390676He represents a district that is 70% white but wikipedia doesn't list anything about religious demographics. I assume since it's Florida there's a lot of gated Jewish communities tho.
This is funny though.
>>2390681zionists will accuse this clip of being antisemitic
nazis will accuse this clip of being philosemitic
>>2390646>clarifyFucking why?
When has back pedaling for the sake of smarmy lib journalists without an ounce of integrity ever worked in politics?
>>2390680Liberal zionists want a two state solution. Zohran wants to give Palestinians full rights under one democratic state. That's just basic liberalism, not zionism.
Also those memes are halfassed. The curb your enthusiasm music doesn't fit.
>>2390737>Karl Marx On the Jewish QuestionIf you think Marx's prescription was to target Judaism exclusively and specifically, you haven't read On the Jewish Question.
>Judaism is zionistZionism is a relatively modern creation. Judaism prior was largely Rabbinic, and so exalted the idea of remaining in exile until the Messiah. And while that does involve the Messiah condemning non-believers and providing a new "holy land" to the Jews, this is hardly unique to any abrahamic religion (which all involve super mega genocide at the end of days), and lucky for any materialist given our position on much of that nonsense, isn't happening anytime soon.
>>2390586They didn't. Israel was created by Jewish nationalists who later took advantage of the retarded, uneducated Biblical literalism that runs in White American Evangelical circles to convince large sections of them that they're the same as the Israelites in the Bible and the people of God in Revelations, and consequently are a critical element in the fulfillment of apocalyptic prophecy.
The idea that Zionism is almost entirely a project of American Christian Zionism is a cope some people use to avoid the fact that Zionism is largely a Jewish supremacist movement that has significant political sway in many Western countries. In essence, if you don't want to come across as antisemitic, blaming the whole thing on Christian Zionism leaves the Jews almost entirely blameless, and you don't have to recognize that Jewish Zionist lobbies (like AIPAC) hold a significant amount of political power.
Now, the Christian Zionist movement is an important power bloc in the upholding political Zionism in the United States, but trying to blame the whole thing on them is like saying that Apartheid South Africa had nothing to do with the British or the Boers, it was entirely a project of racist American rednecks.
>>2390646Zohran is a heel like Bernie, calling it now.
He will do anything in his power to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and lose to a Zionist. Because his base will blame the Dems anyway and his opposition's hysterics will only aggrandize him more to the base.
>>2390940look. american conservatives remember reagan as loving the working class even though he crushed the air traffic controllers
and american liberals remember clinton as a man of peace even though he advocated the bombing of yugoslavia by NATO forces
so maybe the country just has amnesia and is full of confused retards
>>2390948 (me)
If Zohran wins, he has an impossible to implement agenda that will get obstructed at every step. But, if he loses, he can just collect all the kudos for all the hypotheticals as if he had actually implemented them. At no cost. And better yet, once he loses his base will keep the support but be open to less radical approaches in the name of better chances of winning.
>>2390974>Mamdani only has 35%-40% of the voteI would like to remind everyone here that Republicans also run in New York City mayoral races, and have actually won in the past. In case anyone has forgotten, Rudy Giuliani's big breakthrough in politics was becoming the mayor of NYC, and especially having the luck of being mayor of NYC during 9/11.
The idea that 35-40% of the vote is a losing amount and Andrew Cuomo will sweep with 60% of the vote because the Republicans are a non-entity in NYC is utter nonsense. What Cuomo is doing is splitting the Democratic vote and giving the Republican candidate a fighting chance. It's an interesting opportunity to point out the hypocrisy and corruption of the Democratic establishment. They would be crying bloody murder and accusing collusion with Trump and Putin if the reverse happened.
>>2391088You don't look at history at all. That is why you joined a constitutionally anti-communist organization expecting them to suddenly become Communists. The DSA is a tool built to destroy the left, and that is what it will do. You can as easily reform it as you can "reform" a saw into a hammer.
Your best case scenario is that you remain an insignificant faction inside a small party. Your most likely scenario is that you are expelled for being a Marxist.
The DSA cannot be reformed, nor should it.
>>2391097Must be a nietzchean
>>2391153You use history to learn from the mistakes of the path and inspiration. Not to dogmatically be schizo about it. Let me guess, the world revolves around cycles. “Strong men Good Time. Weak men Bad Times.”
>>2391161The dagger to the front is less threat than the dagger to the back.
At least the Republicans are honest about what they are. The DSA tries to hide it's far-rightist nature behind the veneer of Socialism. In the end, they both want the same thing, the DSA just wants it to be inclusive.
Social democracy is, was, and always will be the moderate wing of fascism.
>>2391214trumps only appeal is that he's perceived as an 'outsider', this whole epstein thing is dangerous for him because he's very obviously siding with the establishment. people definitely notice that
>>2391220another issue with a third term is it opens the door for another Obama run. trump has to keep that in mind, he can't just start not caring what people think of him
>>2391225There are a few small ones but no one has the courage to hold the correct line, which is that America MUST be destroyed.
>>2391228Being a Marxist-Leninist posting on this godforsaken site means that I am always Cassandra and let me tell you, it's fucking tiring. These little babies think they can outrun history, but they can't. History is undefeated and will always remain so.
>>2391226But again though, he's got a fully funded secret police and an FBI and DOJ that is fully behind him and willing to carry out his whims. Popular support no longer matters now that he has the ability to simply brute force his way to get what he wants without bothering with justifications. As for Obama they'll just preemptively disqualify him with Birther nonsense or imprison him on trumped up charges.
At this point, short of an actual revolution there's very little Americans can do to dethrone Trump and the establishment is both fully aware of that and rubbing it in our faces. The stream of "what are you gonna do about pussy? Are you mad? Gonna cry? Gonna piss your pants?" that was directed at the left is now being directed at Trump's own base. Why should he care if he pisses off his own base? He's got power, and they dont.
>>2391236Assuming they dont strap him to some Golden Throne ass thing, my schizo take is that this is where all this hype about AI is going to come in handy. They're going to run an AI approximation of Trump, have it legally declared a person and a candidate because the Supreme Court is fully under Trump's control, and they'll just make that "president". Probably powered by xAI on top of all that, so we'll have a president that regularly calls himself MechaHitler. Unless we get a revolution in soon things are fucked
>>2391205Let me remind you that the SCOTUS is 100 percent ideologically captured. There's a reason why they have given Trump free reign to do and pass whatever he likes. If the SCOTUS can give you this ability then you can do anything. They can allow Trump to send them a suggestion for a bill to stop midterm elections with "delays" through some loop hole and then we are in it for real. The only reason, let me repeat the ONLY reason why the Republicans would second guess this is because if the ballot box is no longer any means to have your voice heard then only lead will do the talking. As a communist you should encourage Republicans to be okay with suspending not just the midterms but future elections in general.
As a communist I wholeheartedly believe that the years of lead are inevitable even if we believe reforms can get us to revolution the years of lead are going to happen anyway. My thing is that it's better to get it over with now than drag this out.
>>2391290It truly is The Eclipse of Falling For It Again
>>2391295If the years of lead paint are inevitable then it's all the more important we make friends and build connections while we can. People often talk about prepping for shit hitting the fan in ways like buying a bunch of guns or learning martial arts or whatever. Sure, that helps, but a revolution isn't all going pew pew with guns and heroic charges into enemy territory. It's also about logistic, propaganda, and ensuring your local communities are maintained and the people cared for. You may be willing to die for the revolution, but are you willing to do the dishes? No seriously, think about that for a bit. There's a lot of "grunt work" that needs to be done, and it's easier to do this work in groups, and the best way that you're going to form a group is by making friends and talking to your neighbors and coworkers.
Also it's substantially easier to get people onboard with the idea of revolution if you present it to them as building free housing and running food drives than coming right out with the pew pew guns. We cant all be Iron Felix.
>>2391205Trump (and Biden) have been basically reviving the Patriot Act in it's original fascist hysterics.
"Trumpism" already destroyed what little political consequence was to liberal crises by completely supplanting politics with the culture war. They normalized all the shit and made it all relative and sectarian. There is no more value in truth for the base of either Democrats or Republicans. You can't radicalize people who are unable to contextualize their experience beyond their immediate feelings. They have truly made NPCs of the people, and the cost of "changing the
chips/topic" is a known quantity of PR.
MSM and Social media are fully integrated in the security state. And all the monetary incentives make sure that alt-media remains at best, contrarian. But if the MSM does not talk about something it simply remains unheard, barren of profitability.
The next admin will probably be Democrat and they'll help turn the internal enemy from race based migrants to foreigners more generally and leftists. They'll bless the red scare "MUH SEE SEE PEE COMMUNISTS" and define the limits of the "good left".
>>2391333There is no "book of moloch", this is something made up wholesale by the poster in an attempt to once again redirect conversation to "the Jews are ontologically evil" when people actually start talking about organizing. Just ignore it and move on and hopefully the jannies will get around to cleaning it up in about 10 hours
Speaking of which, you ARE organizing, right?
>>2391380bro the clintons are on the list along with trump and several elites from both parties, bourgeoisie, and even authors like montefiore (author of young stalin where he slanders stalin as a pedo who got a girl pregnant while exiled in siberia). obviously the entire dem establishment is going to rally against having the list be public unless it's an edited version
we literally have a link in the OP and nobody ever screenshots it or even comments on it… remarkable.
>>2391404>obviously the entire dem establishment is going to rally against having the list be public unless it's an edited version????
democrats just forced a vote on releasing the files and it was voted down along party lines
i get libs are implicated but i think the majority of the democratic party is beyond caring at this point
>>2391417the conversation wasn't even about BLM. literally go 3 posts up. he's just changing the subject. he always finds some random signifier to latch onto and pretend that was the main point.
you said acab in that post, it makes you lib (for example)
>burgers are unsalvageable
curious what leftypol thinks of puyis later life
>Puyi was of considerable value to Mao, as Behr noted: "In the eyes of Mao and other Chinese Communist leaders, Pu Yi, the last Emperor, was the epitome of all that had been evil in old Chinese society. If he could be shown to have undergone sincere, permanent change, what hope was there for the most diehard counter-revolutionary? The more overwhelming the guilt, the more spectacular the redemption-and the greater glory of the Chinese Communist Party." Puyi was to be subjected to "remodelling" to make him into a Communist
>From 1963 onward, Puyi regularly gave press conferences praising life in the People's Republic of China, and foreign diplomats often sought him out, curious to meet the famous "Last Emperor" of China.
this guy was head of a reactionary empire and then a reactionary japanese puppet state and even then he was able to endore communism, is it really impossible to salvage the average burger you find on a walk?
>>2391441this you?
>>2391356>4% of america: philo extremist>29% of america: philo moderate>17% of america: clueless retard>50% of america: on the good track, salvageableunless you think "philosemitic ideology" is the sole important issue, 50% of burgers are not "on the good track and salvageable" also idk where you're even getting the 50% number from. you just make up statistics as you go. You're referencing
>>2391348 this post which is only talking about the epstein files, not about israel or zionism. So unless you think the epstein files is a proxy for how americans feel about zionism you've forgotten that the epstein files are mostly a metric of loyalty to particular implicated politicians, not a measurement of whether you care about palestinians or want israel destroyed. most illiterate anticommunist undialectical idealist retard award
>>2391422>the flight logs aren't fake dumbass. >>2391428>This client list doesn't exist. Trump's team made that shit up >>2391431>the flight logs are a client list retard. We have Epstein's address book or flight logs or whatever that is. But people are thinking there's some other list of people with a heading that says "The People I Sold Child Prostitutes To." Or I don't know what people are thinking it is. There's just some "list" but nobody has apparently seen it. People demand the list, Trump and the feds say there is no list, so they say, ah, Trump is clearly
on the list and that's why they're not showing it to us. Then people say, what if there is no list? Then others say, well there clearly is a list because we have a flight list. Now I'm confused.
Then the Democrats come out and say: "vote for us and we'll show you the list." I'm getting Al Capone's vault vibes from this, a made-for-TV letdown.
>why would you fly on his plane to his island if you're not a client. think for a fuckin secondBecause people like flying on private jets? People love the PJs! And going to private islands and hanging out with rich dudes who give them money?
>>2391456>then what was this bullshit they were waving around? Apparently the flight logs (which had already been leaked/disclosed) and various documents the feds entered into evidence against Epstein when he was charged:
https://www.axios.com/2025/02/28/jeffrey-epstein-documents-release-names-flights >>2391493Weird how Sandinista keeps repeating Zionist talking points like this one.
Maybe he works for Mossad?
From "Why Fascism?" by Edward Conze and Ellen Wilkinson
<The Nationalism of the Socialists:
>In its more exact sense, nationalism means the right of each nation to have its own culture and administration. The Socialists recognise that there is a value in national tradition, and that each nation has a right to the national tradition that it inherited. The Russian Communists have been careful to guarantee the cultural rights of the nations which together compose the Federation of Republics which has taken the place of the Russian Empire.
>True, Marx said: ‘The workers have no fatherland’, but the German Marxists carefully interpreted that as a statement by Marx of the deplorable fact that the workers thus lacked something which they ought to have. Lenin wrote in an article: ‘The nation has a value which must be conserved.’ The Young Communist League in Germany sold this as a pamphlet by thousands to counteract the effect of the remark of Marx. Trotsky, the intellectual, is the ardent advocate of world revolution. Stalin, the peasant, builds his whole policy on the basis of ‘Socialism in Russia first’.
>There is a difference in the form nationalism takes among old as distinct from young nations. Old nations, nations whose nationhood has not been disputed for many generations, have the tribal spirit fully matured. They can take it calmly. In younger nations which are not so sure of themselves they are much more passionate about it. Even now the Germans are not yet a nation as the British understand it. They still think of themselves as Bavarians or Rhinelanders, resentful of the position that Berlin has assumed as the capital. It has needed some such mass hysteria as the Nazis have been able to work up, to give to Germany this sense of being a nation. Whether a Münchener is any happier or better for feeling German rather than Bavarian is beside the argument. Socialists prefer a milder variety of such nationalism. Their cause in its propagandist stage is completely helpless against such frantic national pride as in prewar Austria or oppressed Ireland. The Fascists prefer the violent variety, not from nationalist, but from imperialist considerations.
>It is a distortion of the words ‘nationalism’ or ‘patriotism’ to identify them with hatred and contempt and suppression of foreign nations. This is ‘imperialism’, but reaction always tries to cloak this with the term nationalism. It is possible to regard nationhood as having value in itself, and not as a barrier to social intercourse and trade.
>Socialists do ultimately want to introduce Socialism into the whole world, as the Fascists desire that the entire world shall be Fascist. ‘Forward to World Fascism’, is the slogan of The Blackshirt, the Fascist weekly. But as a matter of history, the only concrete success towards a Socialist country is in Russia, where, after a period of talk about the World Revolution, they set themselves the task, by the Five-Year Plan, of building up Socialism in their own country first. If the German Communists had learned this lesson they would probably not now be exiles. Their dependence on Russia was no small part of the cause of their trouble.
>British Socialists cannot help Japanese Socialists to get Socialism. To be effective they must concentrate on the tasks in their own country first. Only when they have achieved this can they begin to help to build real peace in Europe. They can only do their share towards organising a European Federation after the capitalism which must always prevent such a development has been destroyed.
<The Internationalism of the Socialists:
>Some Socialists, however, urge that the English worker has more in common with the Indian worker than with the English capitalist. The workers in the highly organised countries have an obvious interest in raising the Asiatic workers to their level, because low wages in Asia are dangerous to their own standards. But on the other hand, the European worker has an interest in cheap raw materials, whose cheapness is based on low wages. This creates a conflict which tends to be ignored in Socialist circles.
>Any feeling of a common interest as workers against the capitalists in all countries is felt only by a minority of the workers. There are only a few cases on record of international actions that actually have had a definite effect. During the coal dispute in Britain in 1926, German and American miners sent funds; but they continued to work. The Nazis made considerable propaganda against the workers of Red Ruhr that they benefited considerably as miners from that strike. The international solidarity of the workers was weaker than the joint exploitation of the situation by the national capitalists of England and Germany against the English workers locked out. In situations of even greater seriousness as in 1914, not even funds or messages of goodwill were sent. The working masses of each country willingly joined with their own capitalists against the workers and capitalists of other countries… but the solidarity of capital was not broken by the war, as the unscathed mines of Briey bear witness. The only case we can quote where effective action on behalf of the workers of another nation was undertaken by a European working class was the refusal of the British workers in 1920 to allow a man or a ship or a gun to be sent against Russia.
>The international feeling there is in the Socialist movement is limited to the active 10 per cent, who because they have these feelings of solidarity with the workers abroad are rather apt to assume that they are shared by the workers as a whole. Consequently international cooperation is limited to the by-products of the class war. The active 10 per cent are vigilant. They form ‘Hands off China’, or ‘Hands off Russia’, or ‘Help for Victims of German Fascism’ committees which do excellent work, generally with the disapproval and even active hostility of the official labour and trades-union movement. The Communists are usually the prime movers in such committees… not out of sheer desire to annoy the labour movement, as some leaders assume, nor even as nets to lure unsuspecting victims into the ‘sinister net of the Communist Party’, but because their own connections with the Russian Communists give them nearly as strong an international feeling as the Fascists have, which is much stronger than that of the average Socialist. In the cases of Sacco – Vanzetti, the Meerut prisoners, the Reichstag prisoners, the Scottsboro negro boys, these ad hoc committees have done very valuable work in rousing public opinion, and in annoying whichever governments were concerned in the particular piece of tyranny. The international organisation of moral indignation has produced most of the successes of the Communist parties outside Russia. In all other sectors they have only failures to show. That this happens with such unfailing regularity cannot be entirely dismissed as bad luck.
>Actions of solidarity between responsible labour and trade-union leaders cannot, of course, be carried through in the same way as the ad hoc committees are free to do. The British trade unions raised considerable sums for the last election the Social-Democratic Party was able to fight. A sum of about £10,000 was offered, but the German leaders felt that they must decline it, as they would then be under suspicion of ‘getting funds from abroad’, a consideration which never seems to have troubled the ‘anti-international’ leaders of the Fascists. This sum was later used for relief of the Social-Democratic Party exiles from Germany. Money was raised by the Trades Union Congress for the Austrian workers before the Dollfuss putsch against them, and gratefully accepted by them, as was the considerable sum of about £34,000 raised afterwards for relief of the victims.
>The International Federation of Trade Unions cooperated in getting funds out of the Fascist countries and safely guarding it. Unfortunately both German and Austrian leaders were so intimidated by the Fascists that the great bulk of this money had to be returned to these countries. In the early days the Trades Union Congress and Labour Party called for a boycott against German goods, but as this was made a ‘consumers’ boycott’ and not one by the unions concerned in handling German goods, it could not be very effective.
>There have been occasions when the workers have shown themselves willing not to load munitions – for example, the war in China – but where the leaders of the unions have refused to sanction this. In the one case when they have joined in the protest, as in the case of the Russian expedition in 1920, it has been immediately effective. The fact is not forgotten by the army authorities. The large additions to army transport which followed this action were planned so as to make a threat of this kind less effective in future. The army is now largely independent of railway transport.
>Difficulties always arise in the trade unions about these solidarity strikes because the brunt of the burden must fall on the transport unions, who, as the Left-wing leader of the Locomotive Enginemen and Firemen has frequently said, ‘are asked to hold the baby every time’. The resolution for a general strike against war was passed at the Hastings Conference of the Labour Party in 1933, by the votes of many of the biggest unions. But when those same unions meet, not as political but as industrial entities in the Trades Union Congress the same year, grave doubts arise and the matter is referred back for report and enquiry.
>The political internationals show a set of unexceptionable internationally-minded resolutions, without any backing in effective action. The First International can be ruled out, as it only represented a few people and was largely a myth. The Second International was limited to the imperialist countries. It was not, and is not now, a world-wide International. It was not able to organise cooperative action, and claimed no discipline over its constituent bodies, except in matters of conference routine. They have never been able to resist the national conflicts of their own capitalists. In 1914, in spite of all the resolutions about war, the Second International was suspended, and long after 1918, when many of the capitalist statesmen had buried the hatchet, the congresses still quarrelled about war guilt and reparations. Not till the congress at Marseilles in 1925 did Müller and Vandervelde stage a public reconciliation, amid much emotion. In big decisions, in which the international interest did not coincide with some important national interest, the Second International has simply not existed.
>The Third International is mainly an International of the colonial and half-colonial countries, and the Communist parties in the imperialist countries. No other Socialists belong to it, nor judging by the treatment of the British Independent Labour Party are groups other than Communists welcome. Few movements have received such passionate and disinterested devotion from groups of workers in other countries as has the Communist International, but a cool examination of its actions since the years of its early enthusiasm – since in fact the Russians realised that they were not going to be helped by a World Revolution, but had to tackle the job of building Socialism as a national movement – shows the Third International to have been used almost entirely in the national interests of Russia.
The more things change the more they stay the same, I suppose.
>>2391528hes a famous zionist + internet spectacle or something, its not as surprising online
also "normal people" on leftypol lmao
>>2391558the genocide against natives had already been done there so it would be a bit harder for the zionists to do it in utah
they'd probably find a way
>>2391559Military grade copium going around lol
Trump is so cooked. Glowies are gonna end up false flagging his murder to blame Iran if he keeps losing prestige like that
>>2391582Cant wait for the tribunal for this guy. If torture is such a celebration of life I'm sure he wont mind it if we literally crucify him
Also can y'all stop sperging about the Jews and taking bait for like five minutes?
>>2391601Do you wear funny hat and have funny hair like in this
>>2391594 picture
>>2391559PQtriQts in cQntrQl
Trust the Qlan
>>2390447>Liberals still fucking desperate to deny the Epstein allogations even as they become politically toxic for TrumpGenuinely:
<WHY THE FUCKare they like this????
Why shot gun blast your foot so you can die on the hill of denying pedophile rings among the eliete??
Why not just accept Epstein ran a pedo ring for rich fucks and Trump was one of them?
Why cant they just take the fucking W???
>>2391524>The immediate prospects which the Communists held out to such workmen was not Socialism, but revolution and civil war. They could not promise the help, the relief from suffering and semi-starvation which the workers wanted, but only further hardship. The consequences of the Russian Civil War were well known in Germany. It was not a question of ‘White’ propaganda. The Russian frontiers were too near. Too many German workers had been themselves to Russia for the facts not to be fairly accurately known to many German workmen. They knew that the country had been almost destroyed and that industrial production had gone down to 15 per cent of 1913 in the early years. In Germany, everyone knew that civil war would be much more terrible, and the destruction by White troops, and perhaps foreign intervention, at least as considerable. If a peasant country like Russia had had to go through a famine, how could Germany get through such a period?
>German workers, like workers anywhere else, only take the Russian way if their backs are to the wall; if it is a matter of life and death for them to make an armed insurrection on a scale large enough to win power. As the events of 1870, 1905 and 1917, this happens only immediately after a war. Whereas Fascism springs out of moderate distress, Bolshevism comes from complete despair. The German Communists put out the slogan, ‘We show the way out’, but their reliance on the Russian model meant that they could only show the way to immediate disaster with a dawn of hope at the end of it.God damn it, how can they keep hitting the nail on the head so much?
>>2391685>>2391696“The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.
There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.”
― John Steinbeck, The Grapes of Wrath
Vid related contains the marxist leninist theory behind that statement, starting at 3:00
>>2391710Have you read the parts about Mosley?
>In face of these facts, it is simply absurd to attempt to rest on the cushion of the English national character – the boarding-house comfort that ‘Englishmen don’t do such things’.
>That national character could, to take the most famous illustrations, avoid imitating the French Revolution only because the French people had imitated what the English had done already 130 years ago. German Liberals and Socialists, from 1927 onwards, used to take comfort in face of the onward march of Fascism, in the fact that a dictatorship could only exist in countries which had a high ratio of illiterates – as in Russia, Poland, Italy, Spain, Greece, Hungary, Turkey, etc.
>Italian Fascism was alien to the German national character. Fascism has been adapted. The Fascists in Britain are in the imitative stage. They copy salutes and shirts and songs. As soon as theirs is a mass movement, Fascism in Britain will be British Fascism – and all the pet prejudices of the national character will be suitably incorporated. The Black-and-Tans were British of the British, and rejoiced in their super-patriotism. >>2391675looking at how the worlds going to burn due to climate change.
The first world is going to turn third world eventually…or we all die
>>2391735or we could just start using solar and wind instead of fossil fuels, and build bullet trains instead of driving around personal vehicles that cause traffic jams, force us to pave everything into parking lots, and send carbon monoxide and microplastics (from the tire erosion) everywhere.
maybe we could kill all the people who use private jets to fly short distances nonstop
>>2391739>or we could just start using solar and wind instead of fossil fuels, and build bullet trains instead of driving around personal vehicles that cause traffic jams, force us to pave everything into parking lots, and send carbon monoxide and microplastics (from the tire erosion) everywhere.In china that will probably happen. In the west, that wont happen.
West will go third world. China will go first world
>>2391660US manufacturers are stuck in a rut despite subsidies from Biden and protection from Trumphttps://apnews.com/article/trump-manufacturing-jobs-economy-tariffs-70ba2e081d44eea594ef3203af96d483
>WASHINGTON (AP) — Democrats and Republicans don’t agree on much, but they share a conviction that the government should help American manufacturers, one way or another.
>Democratic President Joe Biden handed out subsidies to chipmakers and electric vehicle manufacturers. Republican President Donald Trump is building a wall of import taxes — tariffs — around the U.S. economy to protect domestic industry from foreign competition.
>Yet American manufacturing has been stuck in a rut for nearly three years. And it remains to be seen whether the trend will reverse itself.
>The U.S. Labor Department reports that American factories shed 7,000 jobs in June for the second month in a row. Manufacturing employment is on track to drop for the third straight year.
>The Institute for Supply Management, an association of purchasing managers, reported that manufacturing activity in the United States shrank in June for the fourth straight month. In fact, U.S. factories have been in decline for 30 of the 32 months since October 2022, according to ISM.
>“The past three years have been a real slog for manufacturing,’’ said Eric Hagopian, CEO of Pilot Precision Products, a maker of industrial cutting tools in South Deerfield, Massachusetts. “We didn’t get destroyed like we did in the recession of 2008. But we’ve been in this stagnant, sort of stationary environment.’’
>Big economic factors contributed to the slowdown: A surge in inflation, arising from the unexpectedly strong economic recovery from COVID-19, raised factory expenses and prompted the Federal Reserve to raise interest rates 11 times in 2022 and 2023. The higher borrowing costs added to the strain.
>Government policy was meant to help.
>Biden’s tax incentives for semiconductor and clean energy production triggered a factory-building boom – investment in manufacturing facilities more than tripled from April 2021 through October 2024 – that seemed to herald a coming surge in factory production and hiring. Eventually anyway.
>But the factory investment spree has faded as the incoming Trump administration launched trade wars and, working with Congress, ended Biden’s subsidies for green energy. Now, predicts Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, “manufacturing production will continue to flatline.”
>“If production is flat, that suggests manufacturing employment will continue to slide,” Zandi said. “Manufacturing is likely to suffer a recession in the coming year.’’
>Meanwhile, Trump is attempting to protect U.S. manufacturers — and to coax factories to relocate and produce in America — by imposing tariffs on goods made overseas. He slapped 50% taxes on steel and aluminum, 25% on autos and auto parts, 10% on many other imports.
>In some ways, Trump’s tariffs can give U.S. factories an edge. Chris Zuzick, vice president at Waukesha Metal Products, said the Sussex, Wisconsin-based manufacturer is facing stiff competition for a big contract in Texas. A foreign company offers much lower prices. But “when you throw the tariff on, it gets us closer,’’ Zuzick said. “So that’s definitely a situation where it’s beneficial.’’
>But American factories import and use foreign products, too – machinery, chemicals, raw materials like steel and aluminum. Taxing those inputs can drive up costs and make U.S producers less competitive in world markets.
>Consider steel. Trump’s tariffs don’t just make imported steel more expensive. By putting the foreign competition at a disadvantage, the tariffs allow U.S. steelmakers to raise prices – and they have. U.S.-made steel was priced at $960 per metric ton as of June 23, more than double the world export price of $440 per ton, according to industry monitor SteelBenchmarker.
>In fact, U.S. steel prices are so high that Pilot Precision Products has continued to buy the steel it needs from suppliers in Austria and France — and pay Trump’s tariff.
>Trump has also created considerable uncertainty by repeatedly tweaking and rescheduling his tariffs. Just before new import taxes were set to take effect on dozens of countries on July 9, for example, the president pushed the deadline back to Aug. 1 to allow more time for negotiation with U.S. trading partners.
>The flipflops have left factories, suppliers and customers bewildered about where things stand. Manufacturers voiced their complaints in the ISM survey: “Customers do not want to make commitments in the wake of massive tariff uncertainty,’’ a fabricated metal products company said.
>“Tariffs continue to cause confusion and uncertainty for long-term procurement decisions,’’ added a computer and electronics firm. “The situation remains too volatile to firmly put such plans into place.’’
>Some may argue that things aren’t necessarily bad for U.S. manufacturing; they’ve just returned to normal after a pandemic-related bust and boom.
>Factories slashed nearly 1.4 million jobs in March and April 2020 when COVID-19 forced many businesses to shut down and Americans to stay home. Then a funny thing happened: American consumers, cooped up and flush with COVID relief checks from the government, went on a spending spree, snapping up manufactured goods like air fryers, patio furniture and exercise machines.
>Suddenly, factories were scrambling to keep up. They brought back the workers they laid off – and then some. Factories added 379,000 jobs in 2021 — the most since 1994 — and then tacked on another 357,000 in 2022.
>But in 2023, factory hiring stopped growing and began backtracking as the economy returned to something closer to the pre-pandemic normal.
>In the end, it was a wash. Factory payrolls last month came to 12.75 million, almost exactly where they stood in February 2020 (12.74 million) just before COVID slammed the economy.
>“It’s a long, strange trip to get back to where we started,’’ said Jared Bernstein, chair of Biden’s White House Council of Economic Advisers.
>Zuzick at Waukesha Metal Products said that it will take time to see if Trump’s tariffs succeed in bringing factories back to America.
>“The fact is that manufacturing doesn’t turn on a dime,’’ he said. “It takes time to switch gears.’’
>Hagopian at Pilot Precision is hopeful that tax breaks in Trump’s One Big Beautiful Bill will help American manufacturing regain momentum.
>“There may be light at the end of the tunnel that may not be a locomotive bearing down,’’ he said.
>For now, manufacturers are likely to delay big decisions on investing or bringing on new workers until they see where Trump’s tariffs settle and what impact they have on the economy, said Ned Hill, professor emeritus in economic development at Ohio State University.
>“With all this uncertainty about what the rest of the year is going to look like,’’ he said, “there’s a hesitancy to hire people just to lay them off in the near future.’’
>“Everyone,’' said Zuzick at Waukesha Metal Products, ”is kind of just waiting for the new normal.’’ Trumpsisters
>>2391750>>2391751Are we tired of winning yet?
>>2391751this latest brics meeting showed it wasn't ready for prime time
they still need time, how much they have is anyone's guess
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/i-triggered-another-federal-investigationI Triggered Another Federal Investigation
>The California National Guard cut off soldier access to vital military information because of what I reported on Tuesday, sources tell me. Basic mission briefings and threat information were cut off, soldiers unable to log into their unclassified portal.
>Not only was the portal cut off, but soldiers have been called together for “OPSEC” meetings (operational security) and been told that the Army Criminal Investigation Division, better known as “CID,” is investigating the leak.
>My report detailed the Guard’s Operation Excalibur in Los Angeles’ MacArthur Park. The article revealed “unclassified” documents leaked to me showing how uncoordinated and ridiculous the mission was in support of ICE and other homeland security brownshirts.
>Brownshirts, of course, is not the right word. Many in the military who are on the ground in Los Angeles think that ICE and others from homeland security dressing up in Army green and using armored vehicles on the streets of an American city undermines the reputation of the armed forces. At least in the field, they don’t want to be part of any Trump crusade, and are hesitant about being mixed in theatrical shows of force, which the MacArthur Park operation was.
>That the LA deployment is mere theater was the most embarrassing disclosure in the leak. For the higher ups, and for the Washington set focused on “optics,” such revelations of buffoonery and ineptitude erode the picture that many have of a national security state that is sober-minded and rules-bound. I particularly was delighted by the ridiculous characterization of MacArthur Park as a “HIGH” threat level and an “area of historic lawlessness”; and of assigning federal agencies codenames like “Dr. Pepper,” “Pepsi,” and “R/C” (the off-brand Coke).
>My personal favorite I didn’t even include in the article, a separate California National Guard CONOPS plan directing soldiers to debrief with someone codenamed “Cthulhu Six,” a reference to HP Lovecraft’s cosmic horror novel (lol).
>Far from the imperial stormtroopers they’re depicted as in the mainstream press, these guys are dorks. And somewhere up the chain of command, one of the higher-level dorks has ordered a leak investigation, sources tell me.
>The Pentagon, the national security state’s largest bureaucracy, transmits orders in a process that resembles a game of telephone, getting passed down along the chain subordinate to subordinate. The garbled culmination of this particular order takes the form of a member of the Army Criminal Investigative Division, who in response to my story informed the California National Guard that they would be “pulling IP addresses from phones and personal wifi,” a brigade commander said.
>To give you a sense of how seriously this was taken, I’m told that Guardsmen have been cracking wise about the existence of such a thing called a VPN, one laughing at the notion of how much internet porn investigators would be going through otherwise.
>Now a plucky Army CID investigator will be in LA through Monday to brief the Guardsmen on the transcendent importance of operational security and how they’d be monitoring IP addresses.
>“It’s a performative measure so they can tell their DC bosses that they are ‘doing something,’” an Army source told me.
>One indisputable effect all of this has had is to impede communication. In an attempt to keep the Guard mission close to the chest, only leadership is being briefed.
>“Battalions are pushing back, as echelons aren’t supposed to be skipped like that,” a source said.
>I guess it’s fitting that a deployment whose very mission is theater — or “show of presence” as the briefing said — would involve a theater of investigation.
>All of this reminds me of a story my editor (Bill Arkin, whose name appears at the bottom of these posts) once told me about his own military leak investigation. Except his was actually classified — it was top secret, in fact — and as a result was far more serious, precipitating what is likely the largest military leak investigation in U.S. history.
>In June of 2002, Bill disclosed in the LA Times the Bush administration’s top secret war planning for Iraq, codenamed “Polo Step.” The Pentagon wouldn’t invade until the next year, in March of 2003; so needless to say, there was a shitstorm. General Tommy Franks in his memoir says that in response to the disclosure, he demanded that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld polygraph everyone in his office as well as in the Joint Chiefs. As Bill learned, this resulted in an extraordinary undertaking in which over 1,000 military people, civilians, and contractors were interviewed and polygraphed. Thankfully, they never found his source.
>As one of Bill’s sources later recounted, when a member of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations was interrogating him, he kept asking who Bill might be in contact with, and the source suggested that maybe the investigators should look at then-Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, who had been dean of the Johns Hopkins graduate school while Bill wrote some monographs for them
>“How do you spell that name?” the investigator inquired, clearly unfamiliar with who Wolfowitz even was.
>It’s theater all the way down. >>2391762umm listen sweaty… would you say "the muslims" if it were ISIS?
would you say "the christians" if it were the klan?
well maybe try not typing out "the jews" with your nazi antisemite fingers when talking about gaza… it's so important that i police your heckin language while the j… the israelis (I'm sorry yhwh please forgive me) are killing goy- i mean non j- i mean palestinian children.
>>2391751To be clear, this is countries gambling that they can survive 4 years of Trump and just negotiate to eliminate the tariffs with the next guy rather than deal with a madman at the helm.
China has proven they know exactly how to deal with Trump so they don't see a need to wait for his replacement. Europe are all cowards that are too dependent on American aid and not willing to risk losing that if Trump throws a tantrum, so they're hoping they can just ride it out. I'm not sure what Canada's reasoning is for defying Trump. Maybe because they have their own MAGA movement it's just domestic political posturing by the Liberals.
Guojun Xuan, 65, and Silvia Zhang, 38, were arrested in May for felony child endangerment after cops descended on their $4.1 million home in Arcadia, initially responding to reports of a two-month-old suffering a traumatic head injury.
>Inside, they found 15 children between the ages of two months and 13. Another six children had also been moved to other homes. >Kallie Fell, executive director of the nonprofit Center of Bioethics and Culture, told ABC7 that while the couple may not have broken the law by having so many surrogate children, the situation 'smells of trafficking.' >It is unclear what the couple do for work, with public records showing they are connected to a number of investment firms.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14910787/California-surrogates-couple-arrested-21-nanny-abuse-Xuan-Zhang.htmlArcadia mentioned!
>>2391734I enjoyed the bit of them pointing out that despite Fascism being a nationalist movement, Mosley was acting in an international way—pictures of ᴉuᴉlossnW and Hitler in his office, forging ties with overseas fascist groups—and I actually chuckled when they pointed out that despite Fascists railing against “internationalism” the slogan on Mosley’s newspaper was literally “Forward, to world Fascism!”
Something I’ve noted myself is that despite their nationalist pretensions, the right is actually remarkably good at internationalism. Fucking CPAC had what amounts to a “Nationalist International” a few years back. There was a general admiration for right wing countries like Russia among right wingers. The great irony of course, is that the “international right” had become “international Americanists” as it were, they tied their wagon too close to Trump, and in the case of Canada, it directly bit them in the ass. One critique I have of the historical CPUSA is that it was too bound to the USSR. The Party would turn on a dime to follow the Moscow line—anything from the Sino-Soviet split to the Trotsky-Stalin split would shatter the movement domestically. I doubt workers would really trust any group that’s so nakedly beholden to powers they can’t influence.
I definitely think that’s a problem. When internationalism means completely forsaking any kind of base of support among your own country, I can’t see it being a helpful ideal.
>>2391828porky:
>we need more children muh birthrates<*porky makes more children*popolice:
>NOO! not like thatHuh??? Elon Musk & Epstein IVF fantasies bad nao??
>>2391883It’s a conservative oligarchy.
I’ll say this, at least the communists of the past were immolating their movement for actual communists abroad. Today you’ve got some doing it for states that are just anti-communist.
>>2391906In 1917 Russia had revolution
In 1991 Russia and Ukraine had a counterrevolution
In 2014 the US caused a civil war in Ukraine
In 2022 Russia defended itself from NATO expansion
That is the correct analysis. There's nothing "revolutionary" about a post-counter-revolutionary nation defending itself from another post-counter-revolutionary nation in a conflict engineered by a reactionary expansionist bloc. It's just geopolitics as usual.
>>2391905>>2391906Russia is literally just America’s shadow. We ascribe to Russia all the things we hate about ourselves—that they’re “barbaric” “stupid” “violent”. There is no other people I can think of, on earth, that are more a reflection of Americans than the Russians. We like to accuse Russia of the crimes we commit. The liberals hope they could project everything rotten about America onto the Russkies; hence the hysterical rallying to Ukraine as if we hadn’t invaded two sovereign nations for imperial ambitions back in the Bush years.
Rejecting Russia whole cloth is just stupid hypocrisy. But embracing it as some noble thing at present is just as stupid. Tying the fortunes of any American movement to the performance of the Russians would be monumentally retarded.
>>2391929i called it a post-counter-revolutionary nation. you can't read.
>They aren't opposed to American interests lol.they're opposed to NATO expanding up to their borders so on that particular issue they are objectively pursuing their own interests. don't play dumb.
>>2391931>they're opposed to NATO expanding up to their borders so on that particular issue they are objectively pursuing their own interests. don't play dumb.Ukraine had agreed to not join NATO on the terms that Russia respected their borders. Why would Russia invade Ukraine to prevent NATO encroachment when it only encourages Ukraine to join NATO knowing they can't trust Russia to keep its promises?
It's almost like Putin is owned by the CIA and is doing the bidding of his American handlers to push the entirety of Europe into NATO.
>>2391751The Me卐ican bourgeoisie giga-CUCKed out to Trump really hard. One wonders why the U$A hasn't annexed us already and end the farce that we aren't already a BOG (burger occupied government)
President Xi, please start funding Dengoid guerrillas in Oaxaca.
>>2391951fun fact, i was in haz server and i asked him his opinion on park chung hee.
He praised park
>>2391935>Ukraine had agreed to not join NATO on the terms that Russia respected their borders.bullshit. ukraine was petitioning to join NATO as far back as the bush administration when they were contributing troops and material support to the US war crimes in Iraq (vid 1)
>Why would Russia invade Ukraine to prevent NATO encroachmentthey weren't going it to prevent NATO encroachment, the NATO encroachment had already begun in 2014 as Stoltenberg the secretary general of NATO from 2014 to 2024 himself admitted (vid 2)
>when it only encourages Ukraine to join NATOalready planned in Bush era (vid 1)
>they can't trust Russia to keep its promises?literal NATO narrative. It was Gorbachev (the idiot) who dissolved the USSR on the promise that NATO wouldn't expand "one inch eastward" (image 1) then it did (image 2). Joe Biden himself admitted in 1997 that NATO expansion was a good way to provoke Russia (vid 3)
>It's almost like Putin is owned by the CIAthere is much stronger evidence of Poroshenko in Ukraine being brought to power through a CIA coup than Putin being brought to power through a CIA coup but if you want to play that game this doesn't contradict at all the narrative that the Russo-Ukrainian war was engineered by the west, it just adds another comprador into the mix.
>and is doing the bidding of his American handlers to push the entirety of Europe into NATO.so true bestie.
>>2391926I’ve said before that internationalism is something communists love in theory and despise in practice—like how an evangelical loves Jesus and Christianity up until the “care for the poor” and “judge not lest ye be judged” parts are brought up.
In the case of the CPUSA, some of the big setbacks and foibles were rooted in international decisions.
>>2392003Yep.
>>2391998I really appreciate your sources this is actually fascinating as I wasn't old enough to catch this during Bush era.
>>2392022Tribalism makes more sense than nationalism. You at least know the people you associate with. Nations are fake identities where millions of people you will never interact with supposedly are the same somehow.
If you go above the tribe might as well go all the way. Why stop at a few million, instead of billions?
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