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Oi! Do you 'ave a loicense for that Palestinian flag m8?

https://apnews.com/article/britain-palestine-action-arrests-protest-bf430c85a317e7e1f768c9ebd2a6131a

>More than 70 people were arrested Saturday at protests in the U.K. against the Palestine Action group being proscribed a terrorist organization by the British government following a break-in and vandalism at a Royal Air Force base.


>In London, the Metropolitan Police said 42 people had been arrested by late afternoon. All but one of the arrests were for showing support for a proscribed organization, which police have said includes chanting, wearing clothing or displaying articles such as flags, signs or logos. Another person was arrested for common assault.


>A further 16 arrests were made in Manchester, according to Greater Manchester Police, while South Wales Police said 13 people were also held in Cardiff.


>In London, it was the second straight week protesters gathered to support the pro-Palestinian activist group. Its outlawing has meant support for the organization is deemed a criminal offense. Police arrested 29 people at a similar protest last weekend.

#BuggerTories

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State of or Britain 2025

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I like the visuals of the fishnets vs the checkereds.

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>>2391957
Then this happens.

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More Britain's funniest cop vids. A silly country.

>>2391964
He just wanted to dance.

israelis are goblins

>>2391957
>>2391964
>>2391970
This is the video I was actually looking for, but then I cam across the other two.

>11 British cops vs 1 man

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>>2391977
And the send the fat lady in to face him alone first. LMAO. British cops are so funny.

>>2391983
>How would the pigs react if you trained a cadre of fighters, armed with clubs and shields like them, and simply kicked their asses?
The question you should ask yourself what that would achieve? Is that worth the hefty consequences that come with beating cops or the price paid in resources to hide people that do?

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An anonymous group has shut down the Leonardo factory in Edinburgh, Scotland.

Pro-Palestine activists targeted the factory due to its production of laser targeting systems for Israeli F-35 fighter jets.

The Labour right are the funniest political movement in history, never has anyone been so sectarian and incompetent since Mengitsu

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anyone want anything from the paki shop?

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>>2392192
My theory is mostly this.
Labour Right types are basically high success, Type A personalities, that worked and schmoozed their way up from more humble beginnings, to get into better schools or ran a successful business or became a successful lawyer, and when they are like "Fuck yeah I'm sitting on a 6-7 figure income, I rock" they go try join some elite Tory old boy gentlemans club, the guy at the door is like "haha Baz Smith, sure, go back to your sewer you working class rat" and then they develop the mindset that because they worked their way to that position, they are more deserving to be Tories than actual Tories, who are all Old Boy/Girl nepobabies.
That is the class dynamic at play here, it's bourgeoisie/petite bourgeoisie vs Aristocracy, and Nouveau Riche vs Old Money.
Another point is that the Labour Right basically all have Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Only need to see how they brazenly gaslight, antagonize, then act coy and offended when you call out their gaslighting. Classic nacissisitic behaviour. Of course they don't actually care about power other for powers sake, because they view themselves as so superior things will obviously just work out when they hold power, they are the "adults in the room" and like I said before, worked to their establishment positions instead of nepobabied their way there.
Another thing is, what happens when you pack a bunch of people with NPD into a room?
>>2392273
Monster Mule.
anyway
https://www.reddit.com/r/GreenAndPleasant/comments/1m19i9v/new_low_for_novara/
lmao, "nooo how dare someone actually like British culture, nooo they are fascist 11 year old and it's fascist to like the British flag noooooooo"
jesus christ the state of the British left. Once again, the average British leftoid doesn't know how bad the optics are that fucking kids were sent home, for representing their "native culture" of UK, Wales and Scotland.

>>2392281
I partially agree, but I think a chunk of them are lower tier than that. Like a head-teacher or upper-middle ranking civil service type who has worked their way up a little bit in the public sector and thinks they're great as a result. Unlike the old Tories, they do have some perverse regard for public services, but they hold service-users and line-staff in contempt. They like the idea of (say) a health service, but they hate doctors and nurses and they hate the sick, what they like is being a manager. What bothers them is that they don't feel like they have parity of status with a Tesco head-office manager, because the latter could theoretically bankrupt the business. So they try to bring in private enterprise and schmooze with them so they can LARP as the same thing. Maybe it's because outside financial speculation and tax avoidance, the next biggest economic grift in this country is public-private parasitism. Water companies, for example, aren't so much a free-market private sector company as a license to print money. If you lose money the public will bail you out, if you gain money that's yours to keep, and win-or-lose you can have your bonus. The regulator will do fuck all to protect the public, but he'll take your financial needs into account. As a result, you wind up with this weird class of fake managers.

If you were to make a movie about it, you could have a sympathetic story about a working class boy made good who turned into an utter cunt because of the class stratification of society, who aspired to a well-ingrained idea of being a better sort of person, an aristocrat. You couldn't make a sympathetic story about a serial-crawler, a wanker who'll suck the dick of anyone above them and stomp on anyone below them, who is just like this and who is chasing the frankly pathetic dream of winning manager of the year.

I'd compare Rachel Reeves and Thatcher. Thatcher desperately wanted to be posh and the Queen mocked her behind her back for being a middle class nitwit. Rachel Reeves on the other hand doesn't try to cultivate an aristocratic image, she doesn't use the royal 'we', she's just management fodder. The person who comes in and has a chat with your teacher because she's been reported for deviating from the approved lesson plan.
Her most aspirational lies and frauds were to stretch how long she worked for the bank of England by 4 years and at HBOS by a few months on her CV, to pretend she was an economist at HBOS when she was really a manger at customer complaints, and to abuse her HBOS expenses account for big dinners and taxi rides. I mean come on. I don't think she dreams when she goes to sleep at night.

Grant Shapps was a good aspirational liar. His Get-Rich-Quick grifts and pyramid schemes. His multiple fake identities (Michael Green, Corinne Stockheath and Sebastian Fox), editing his own Wikipedia article. Slamming his own name onto the Williams Rail Review because it had some good ideas in it. He's even got a real hobby, flying a plane! Is he a cunt? Yeah, but he's a cunt who dreams!

>>2391933
>LMAO at the CPGB-ML poster earlier
>Weird ass cult mfers obsessed with hatred for LGBT people
Which amounts to saying a woman is a woman and a man is a man. You're castigating CPGB-ML for holding to a materialist position instead of an idealist one cooked up by 1960s french and American post-modern perverts who believe in "I think therefore I am" (I am a woman because I say I am). The epitomy of idealism and the opposite of materialism. Anon was referring to CPB-ML, a party created in the 1960s not CPGB-ML but
>uncritical hero-worship of Stalin
Pray tell what is your "criticsm" of Stalin? Unvarnished Nazi, CIA and MI6 propaganda I'll bet.

>Nor will you gain support by your anti-proletarian delusion that all working class people are culturally far right

Every single Marxist state in it's revolutionary period was "culturally far right". See Stalin/Semashko/Krupskya/Kollantai support for banning abortion in 1936, Article 121 and support of the family against cultural degeneration. Same for Mao until the 1970s when revisionism took reigns and same for Hoxhas Albania and the DPRK today.

>Even if the working class absolutely hated homosexuals (they don't) that wouldn't make being anti-LGBT the correct position, because Marxism is a science and based on materialism, not on what you mistakenly believe is the popular stance.

Yes, Marxism is a science. And when put into practice it vanquishes propaganda from neomalthusians and degenerate predatory behaviour
>Read some fucking theory.
Sure, here's Proletarian Humanism by Maxim Gorky
https://gorkiy-lit--info-ru.translate.goog/gorkiy/articles/article-361.htm?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

>>2392281
>UK, Wales and Scotland.
A revealing construction.

>>2392296
>Which amounts to saying a woman is a woman and a man is a man.
This is a very glib way of putting it. Consistently within the top 10 most popular articles on the CPGB-ML website, you will find "The reactionary nightmare of ‘gender fluidity’", which was written in 2019. It has been in the top 10 without one second's break since 2019. There are two ways of reading this: The first is that the proles of the world agree, have seen the light, and are flocking in their hundreds and thousands to join the CPGB-ML and support it. Given that the party remains as irrelevant as it was in 2019, I think we can discount this. The other is that it is distracting from real issues, that the party is utterly worthless and that the one group of people it actually appeals to are a bunch of deluded old culture warriors scrabbling around to leftwash their prejudices.

It's a really fun article, too, because it doesn't actually say much about transgenderism. There's a lot of waffle, some cliche ("can a circle identify as a square???"*), but mostly: a lot of telling on themselves. Lines like "Not enough working women are involved in our movement. Why is it that all of our YouTube videos have 80 to 90 percent hits from men? Young women don’t think politics has got anything to say to them. They’ve been pushed into this blind dead-end of bourgeois feminism." that reveal that what you've got is a cult of socially conservative old men, whining. The problem is bourgeois feminism, they cry, at a time when the TERF to end all TERFs is a billionaire "feminist". It gets better: "the black community also … Why aren’t the black community here? They should be!", "I can tell you there are hundreds, thousands of militant communists in London who will agree with me on pretty much everything – but they will not join our organisation, “because I’m a Turk…", I mean really: when it is not boring it is riotously funny. That's why the CPGB-ML gets a pass while the CPB needs to be destroyed.

2019 puts the article in a fun period, because in 2019 we were still pretending to be a socially liberal society. You could make a superficially credible claim that you were going against a line that was supported by all the big businesses and all the first world governments. Today that isn't true: Today the CPGB-ML's line is Keir Starmer's line, it is the supreme court's line, it is Trump's line. The big American companies are ditching the rainbow flags because the big man doesn't like 'em, and he's got much more say than the pressure from below that put the flags up in the first place. There is, in fact, a big billionaire conspiracy out there to split the working class: But the billionaires and the aristocrats are by-and-large on the same side as the CPGB-ML. Strange, isn't it?

*As any 3D modeller will tell you, enough triangles can make anything you want.

all of this is a sophist language game. we used to speak of sex change operations. we used to have the societal understanding that what a transsexual does is change their sex. "transsexual" lost to "transgender" in the evolutionary arms race of linguistics because people don't like talking about sex, since it also means fucking. that leads into the sex/gender split as a briefly useful explanatory device, which socially conservative weirdoes then seized on as an opportunity to invent an excuse to imply that when you materially alter your body, no you haven't, actually, because by my definition the words mean something different.

>socially conservative weirdoes then seized on as an opportunity to invent an excuse to imply that when you materially alter your body, no you haven't, actually, because by my definition the words mean something different.
Changing your body doesn't mean you change sex (or gender) in any meaningful regard beyond aesthetics. This is the issue that most normal people have with this stuff. I know plenty of Trans people, and I wouldn't say it to their face, but they still 98% act, sound, talk, move and have the interests of men, just now super gay, socially introverted men. Been a Warhammer player since the early 1990s, more Trans"Women" in my Warhammer store in half a week, than I've seen biological browse in that place in decades.
Another is children. No, Children do not have developed senses of self identity, especially before they've entered puberty, hell most people in their early 20s don't have fully developed sense of self, hence why LUG and GUGs are a thing. We generally do not diagnose personality and dissociation disorders in children for obvious fucking reasons, because puberty and young adulthood and experiences changes A LOT. Yet the entire left has to pretend that a 8 year old has a full understanding of sexual, gender dynamics, self-identity and a full map of what they want to be in life. It's absurd and there is a reason the vast majority of the public at best rolls their eyes at such claims.
Transgenderism comes off as completely anti-materialistic and falls into the realms of metaphysical gnosticism for me. It's also a very reactionary and bizarre way to deal with such an issue. Shouldn't the drive be to push that gender is not that big of an issue, and maybe we should simply have a official third "non-binary" position, than trying to shove a square in a circle hole and vis versa? No, we have to basically launch an all out assault on women and claim that the entire female identity is nothing more than an aesthetic LARP.
CPGB-ML hold a materialist position. Know it pisses off the LGBT cargo cult here, but the vast majority of Communist orgs on earth agree with them.
In the end, again, this is just an issue I do not think the left should be dragged into. Dumb culture shit like this exists to drag us away from winning economic and class arguments and make the left look like degenerate crazies to normal people. Nothing has done more damage to the British left in recent years than the LGBT cargo cult and BLM/Reverse Racism shit.

Loved all the surprise Pikachu faces on UKpolitics suddenly realizing, that, yes, the PA proscription, really just made making pro-Palestine protesting illegal across the country.
Honestly, how fucking dumb are the people on that subreddit? This was the exact same case with the IHRA definition, which of course, was used to smash Pro-Palestine orgs, academics, journalists and censor them.
https://res.cloudinary.com/elsc/images/v1694507437/Freedom-of-Speech-and-Academic-Freedom-in-UK-Higher-Education-BRISMES-ELSC/Freedom-of-Speech-and-Academic-Freedom-in-UK-Higher-Education-BRISMES-ELSC.pdf?_i=AA
It honestly has to be willful ignorance at this point. Have said it almost daily since 2017. Zionism is always pathologically bad faith, and is unleashing a wave of bad faith McCarthyism the like that hasn't been seen since the Red Scare.

>>2392306
>Changing your body doesn't mean you change sex (or gender) in any meaningful regard beyond aesthetics
a completely and utterly deranged statement for a supposed materialist. when you build a house on vacant land, the land remains vacant in all but aesthetics.
>they still 98% act, sound, talk, move and have the interests of men, just now super gay, socially introverted men
you didn't say "look", perhaps out of decorum, but it's a curious omission when it's what really matters here. without reference to the physical body, you're just talking about socialization! purportedly materialist arguments for TERF-ism rely on the composition of the body, not on the socialization of the person who owns it. if the people you know acted, talked, moved, and had the interests of cis women, would you accept they were women? (absent looks, how would you be able to tell?)

I will skip over the rest of the big arguments because I do not think we will make any progress and because frankly they are irrelevant to what really interests me - which is the intersection of this issue with official power. I will appeal to you pragmatically: why do you think the entire UK legislative, judicial, and media ecosystem is anti-transgender? Knowing what you do about these entities, and knowing that this is not the case in other first world anglo countries, do you believe that this is likely to reflect some underlying material reality, or some underlying pathology?

I mean you immediately recognize the mendacious nonsense in >>2392309 but somehow turn a blind eye to the other stuff going on in the background. The UK government has destroyed the devolution settlement by taking the right to veto devolved legislation on a whim, the courts overturn legislation on the barest of justification to give the government the results it wants without taking up parliamentary time, the government commissions some policy-based evidence and uses it to justify completely ceasing treatment for a medical condition, then makes a baroness of the person who wrote it, the equalities and human rights body draws up unworkable guidance that is wrong-in-law to push a specific group out of society, and the government backs it up and tells private and quasi-private entities that they've got to segregate things according to the government's whim, not according to their own policies. The government's security advisor warns that the existence of this minority group is probably a form of psychological warfare Russia and Iran to destabilize democracy, and the government may need draconian new laws to protect democracy from this threat.

You can hate transgender people all you want and still recognize this is one hell of a set of precedents to set and one hell of a set of precedents to turn a blind eye to (or cheerlead!) until you find to your shock and horror that they're coming for you next.

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Glad they are expanding the franchise to cover all YCL members.

>>2392306
>Another is children. No, Children do not have developed senses of self identity, especially before they've entered puberty, hell most people in their early 20s don't have fully developed sense of self, hence why LUG and GUGs are a thing. We generally do not diagnose personality and dissociation disorders in children for obvious fucking reasons, because puberty and young adulthood and experiences changes A LOT

Because of modern society extending childhood past the age of puberty.
By your logic , people don't have a sense of self even into their thirties, which is becoming increasingly common.

Young people are infantilised by modern schooling and by helicopter parents.

Before World War 2, it was expected to have an independent life by age fifteen

Nowadays, even at thirty, you still need social and financial influence from parents.

Alot of psychological phenomenon that you claim cannot be diagnosed until early adulthood is due to sociolegal definition not any biological determinism.

>Yet the entire left has to pretend that a 8 year old has a full understanding of sexual, gender dynamics, self-identity and a full map of what they want to be in life. It's absurd and there is a reason the vast majority of the public at best rolls their eyes at such claims.


You know what's funny? People like you will say stiff like this while ignoring the fact that schools are pushing kids to have career aspirations in ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
We are making kids decide COLLEGE ENROLLMENT WHILE IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

We don't want kids to decide their gender nor learn about war but we want them to decide what college they want to attend in elementary school.

>>2392327
This will be the final nail in the coffin for Labour. Reform have the social media front covered so chances are most 16 and 17 year olds in 2029 will end up voting Reform, but that's a good thing. If unionisation shot up in Reform held councils, that means that a Reform government would turn more people to leftism than any Labour government ever could.

>>2392355
>reform win young people
Complete copium

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Untie its polling its union reps if they should disaffiliate from Labour.

>>2392356
They're the most popular British political party on basically every social media site except for maybe Facebook, which no young people use. Algorithmically speaking, they've won and all they need to do is maintain that for the next 4 years.

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>>2392360
Twitter isnt the real world.

>>2392296
>Conveniently ignores half the points anon made, the party mandated polo shirts, the "proletarian haircuts", the shaming of people's appearances, banning of gay people from the org, 3 hour interrogations in locked rooms
>Claims criticism of Stalin's revisionist SocDem policies, refusal to abolish capitalist production, SOIC, silencing of other communists, etc means you are a brainwashed by Western spies
>Doubling down on the notion being LGBT is somehow unscientific and anti-Communist
>Doubling down on your totally ignorant anti-proletarian slur that all working people are racist and far right and the bizarre conclusion view that we therefore need to appeal to that

I swear to Marx, the CPGB-ML must be some government psyop to make us all look like the most cultish reactionary idiots possible.
Stop parodying Communism as something ridiculous, your org clearly has no clue about even the first line of Capital and seeks only to promote social fascism and Stalin worship to the exclusion of any actual leftist beliefs.

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>>2392360
>>2392375
Meanwhile, in the real world:
🚨 Net approval with 16/17 year olds 👇

🟣 Corbyn +16
🟠 Davey +3
🟢 Denyer +3
🔴 Starmer +1
🔵 Badenoch -2
➡️ Farage -6


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