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>It’s time for a new kind of political party. One that belongs to you.

>The system is rigged.


>The system is rigged when 4.5 million children live in poverty in the sixth richest country in the world. The system is rigged when giant corporations make a fortune from rising bills. The system is rigged when this government says there is no money for the poor, but billions for war.


>We cannot accept these injustices – and neither should you.


>We will only fix the crises in our society with a mass redistribution of wealth and power. That means taxing the very richest in our society. That means an NHS free of privatisation and bringing energy, water, rail and mail into public ownership. That means investing in a massive council-house building programme. That means standing up to fossil fuel giants putting their profits before our planet.


>Meanwhile, millions of people are horrified by the government’s shameful complicity in genocide. We believe in the radical idea that all human life has equal value. That is why we defend the right to protest for Palestine. That is why we demand an end to all arms sales to Israel. And that is why we will carry on campaigning for the only path to peace: a free and independent Palestine.


>Our movement is made up of people of all faiths and none. The great dividers want you to think that the problems in our society are caused by migrants or refugees. They’re not. They are caused by an economic system that protects the interests of corporations and billionaires. It is ordinary people who create the wealth – and it is ordinary people who have the power to put it back where it belongs.


>It’s time for a new kind of political party. One that is rooted in our communities, trade unions and social movements. One that builds power in all regions and nations. One that belongs to you.


>Sign up at www.yourparty.uk to be part of the founding process, leading to an inaugural conference. At this conference, you will decide the party’s direction, the model of leadership and the policies that are needed to transform society. That is how we can build a democratic movement that take on the rich and powerful - and win.


>Real change is coming.


<Jeremy Corbyn MP Zarah Sultana MP

>>2402871
Previous thread:
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>>2402871
>If supporting something actually changed anything, they'd make it illega…

hope you've all got your porn loisences ready for when Ofcom get /leftypol/.

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200k, it will go higher

Wes Streeting giving an interview in today's issue of the Daily Heil screeching about his hatred for striking workers.
Just more of the new normal for Starmer's Labour. Reminder that the half of the country voting Reform would still call him a "lefty lunatic" or some such.

>voting Reform would still call him a "lefty lunatic" or some such.
Yep. Reform voters live in a completely different reality.

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>>2402989
>Biggest issue is most aren't asylum seekers, just economic migrants.
economic migrants are most asylum seekers - the boat people claim asylum in the UK; thats how they get gibs. the other portion of asylum seekers are refugees, which make up the minority of applicants.
>Do cops never fucking pull these people over or anything?
they do sometimes, but very rarely.
>It's CLEAR they are illegally driving.
the police force dont care about the law. they care about shutting you up as we delve deeper into a dysfunctional police state. they will tase a 90-year-old amputee for hold up a butter knife; they will call you a terrorist for holding a cardboard sign; they will turn you away if you tell them youve been raped; they will arrest you and invade your home for tweets - but they wont actually solve crime. they are cowards and bullies. i would suggest you look up the phenomenon of "anarcho-tyranny" described by samuel francis - the state needs crime to oppress law-abiding citizens. thats why in the US they ban guns for the average joe, yet gun ownership among criminals doesnt decrease. members of the public in the UK cant have knives yet youfs have machetes. funny that, innit?
>Another point is that notice how high streets are all being taken over by these bullshit businesses?
a lot of it is money laundering; thats why its cash only.
>I knew literal landlords who were in council housing lmao.
you are a winner in this society if you break the rules.

>>2402995
labour is to the far right of reform
thats the greatest irony

reminder that asylum seeker is a meme category invented to deprive refugees of their rights as refugees by refusing to classify them as refugees until they can be deported.

reminder that british jews should be expelled from all aspects of political and economic life.

>>2403004
blame cromwell; he let them back in

If you could apply for asylum without being physically present in Britain (which you used to be able to do) you wouldn't have any boat people.
It's our insistence on a kafkaesque system (entering Britain illegally will be counted against your application, but the only practical way to lodge an application if you're not from Ukraine or Hong Kong is to enter the UK illegally) that leads to all the issues. Allow people to apply in their own countries and if you want, you can even reject most of the applications and the problem will go away. And hey, if it doesn't, you've actually got them bang to rights on not going through the proper procedure, because the procedure is now merely harsh rather than outright absurdist.

See, I can tolerate cruelty of a dry, bureaucratic sort, so long as all the procedures really do make sense, so long as their absurdity is logically coherent. It's the right-wing's libidinal enjoyment of cruelty that I can't abide. I don't want crackdowns and deportations on the streets of Britain. I'd rather have the refugees. If you don't want refugees, get rid of them with signed forms full of legalese postmarked far far away.

>>2403012
the boat people come from france, which is categorised as a safe country. french officials push migrants out of their own country into the UK, which violates their own obligation set by the EU. if one is truly a refugee, then they wouldnt need to come to the UK. that is the most basic argument. if a boat person comes from france, should they be granted legal atay in the UK? its a yes or no question. i say no.

>>2403012
>>2403016
also, boat people make up ~10% (10,000) of applicants per year, so the rest cone in by other means. this is not a necessary path for them.

>>2403010
I think they would've wormed their way back in regardless tbh but it's true that readmitting them was probably the worst thing Cromwell did.

>>2403016
I'm afraid it's a retarded argument. Let's say I'm Australian. Australia and New Zealand go to war. Are you really telling me that I should flee to Indonesia, where I've got no friends or family or language ability, rather than going to Britain, where I've got all of those things?

I mean, I will be quite blunt about this: I will abide cruelty, but I cannot abide stupidity, and this is stupid. You can reject my argument that people have a good reason to choose Britain (it's certainly not for the quality of life over France, lol), but the fact it occurred to me in a fraction of a second as an obvious counter-argument is why I cannot swallow making "if you came from France, no." our policy. I could, however, swallow drawing up a set of criteria, or perhaps even an arbitrary target number (you could even make a whole fake model justifying that number as our "capacity" to take refugees, ooh…) and applying it consistently. Smart, boring cruelty is nice and easy to ignore. Stupid cruelty? Fuck that, I'll just be kind.

>>2402998
>labour is to the far right of reform
thats the greatest irony
I wouldn't go that far. Yes, Labour is very right wing, and probably shares many of the same beliefs as reform. But Reform voters are completely fixated on ethnic-religious nationalism with regards to immigration above all else.

>>2403021
if you live in australia, you can get a plane over to the UK, like many asylum seekers already do. you are not understanding the situation. there are many asylum seekers who have passports and enter and apply by legal means - then theres others (who smuggle themselves in, or come by boat), who do so illegally. it is illegal to cross into a country without permission. this is why we have so much security in airports, no?

i am saying that at the very least, dont break the law, but to you, this is asking far too much. and you think this is about friends and family? surely if we stopped benefits for asylum seekers, they would still make the trip to the UK then, right? empirically, removing benefits disincentivises asylum seeking in the UK, as we see in 2003 with tony blair's cuts. this then proves that *at least* 50% (50,000/year) come for the gibs. you have no facts, no stats, only hearty rhetoric.
>i'll be kind
here's a conundrum. lets say an asylum seeker rapes a woman in the UK. what would be the kind solution to this? i would say that by the standards of fairness, they should be deported for entirely disrespecting law, custom and human dignity. your perspective?

>>2403025
reform voters are more right-wing
but reform itself is moderate
thats why there is so much dissatisfaction with farage

oh jeremy corvyd

>>2403026
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a747ee940f0b604dd7ae602/applicationsfromabroad.pdf
>As a signatory to the 1951 Refugee Convention, the UK fully considers all asylum applications lodged in the UK. However, the UK’s international obligations under the Convention do not extend to the consideration of asylum applications lodged abroad and there is no provision in our Immigration Rules for someone abroad to be given permission to travel to the UK to seek asylum. The policy guidance on the discretionary referral to the UK Border Agency of applications for asylum by individuals in a third country who have not been recognised as refugees by another country or by the UNHCR under its mandate, has been withdrawn. No applications will be considered by a UK visa-issuing post or by the UK Border Agency pending a review of the policy and guidance.

There is not, in fact, a real abundance of people who enter by legal means for the purpose of seeking refuge. What there is is a mix of people who enter by unrelated means (say, a student or work visa) and then applying for refugee status, and people from Afghanistan and Ukraine (where special exceptions are made). Everyone else is basically required to enter the country illegally to lodge an application. Discarding their application because they broke a law which they had no choice but to break in order to lodge the application is, as I've said before, retarded.

Your numbers are broadly misleading for one simple reason: You talk about Blair's crackdowns, but not his wars. There's a big spike in the number of Iraqi refugees between 1999 and 2003 and a big spike in Afghan refugees between 1999 and 2001 (you might even remember that in 2000, some of them hijacked a plane to flee the Taliban. Nevertheless our government really wanted to deport them hijackers because ~tee-hee hijacking is a crime, it doesn't matter if you're fleeing the Taliban~ and of course, our national press were furious that they ultimately got to stay.) Now, we started bombing the Taliban in 2001 because they were - let's say - bad, and the number of Afghan refugees dutifully fell. The same effect occurs in Iraq in 2003.

Now obviously it's counterintuitive that the number of refugees falls when you start bombing a place (shouldn't they be fleeing the war?), but it's not that hard to explain: You can hardly get your student visa and fly to the UK and then claim Saddam is torturing you if Saddam's been hanged and your airport hasn't had a functioning runway since 2003, and the UK's hardly going to accept that you need refuge from the evils of British and American soldiers. The wars created a lot of refugees, sure, but they're not showing up here for obvious reasons.

>>2403040
>There is not, in fact, a real abundance of people who enter by legal means for the purpose of seeking refuge.
last year we had 100,000 asylum seekers
what percentage would you say entered the UK illegally?
>What there is is a mix of people who enter by unrelated means (say, a student or work visa) and then applying for refugee status
so… they entered legally? thanks for proving my point
>Discarding their application because they broke a law which they had no choice but to break
if they are in france, then they have refuge. they come to the UK for gibs. just say that they have a right to claim gibs in the UK and you dont have to lie anymore.
>You talk about Blair's crackdowns, but not his wars
look at the stats i posted. high refugee applicancy in 2001-2003, then a sudden drop-off. why? because blair stopped the gibs. as an experiment, if we stopped the gibs, do you think asylum seeking rates would fall?

also you failed to answer my question. after an asylum seeker (a foreign national) rapes a woman in the UK, what is the "kind" solution toward this waste of life?

There is nothing in wrong with poor people getting gibs, no one is illegal and rapists should be locked up and reeducated

>>2403045
who are you talking to? yourself?
>There is nothing in wrong with poor people getting gibs
should asylum seekers have the right to come to the UK for the sole purpose of claiming gibs?
>rapists should be locked up and reeducated
ideally, they would be hung, drawn and quartered. that would be the kindest thing to do.

>>2403043
See, when you reply like this you make it too obvious you're not engaging in good faith, you're looking for holes, and you're not even very good of it.
1. "entering the UK legally" means nothing if having the means to do so are luck based: What do you do if you're fleeing war and not eligible for a temporary student or work visa? There is no means to enter the country legally PURELY on the basis that you'd like to make use of your right to seek refuge. You cannot glibly side-step the absurdity of this policy with "oh, but we had 100,000 refugees!" - yeah, so fucking what. I've already said it's not about the numbers, it's about the obvious absurdity.
2. Why should an English speaking refugee with family in Britain live in France? I'm sorry: Fuck off, retard.
3. You don't understand the stats you've posted. You've grabbed a chart and gone "look, line go down, THE SUN ASKS AND BLAIR DELIVERS!" without knowing anything about the issue at hand. The number of people seeking asylum across all of Europe followed basically the same pattern as the Kosovo war drew down, and in the UK specifically there's a big drop in the number of Afghan refugees in 2001 and of Iraqi refugees in 2003 - tell me, if we didn't cut benefits until 2003 why did the number of Afghan applications start to fall in 2002? That correlates with the invasion of Afghanistan, not with Blairite reform.

The kind solution is to lock him in a room with you and tell him if he bums you we'll make him a lord.

>>2403034
Crowcialism.

>>2403049
Let us steal the shiny things crowmrade

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WORDS THAT KILL…
WOULD YOU SPEAAAK THEM TO ME
WITH YOUR BREAAAATH SO STILL
IT MAAAAKES ME BELIEEEVE

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>>2403048
>"entering the UK legally" means nothing
right.
>What do you do if you're fleeing war and not eligible for a temporary student or work visa?
you go to france, apparently. again, these people have successfully fled war; they just have one more stop to go before thet get a free hotel room.
>we had 100,000 refugees!" - yeah, so fucking what.
that means that the majority (50,000<) entered legally, so they are not illegal immigrants by their own choice. you are thus depriving agency from criminals as if they are children, just like the crooked judges who let the savages run amok, carrying knives and punching police officers with no consequence.
>Why should an English speaking refugee with family in Britain live in France?
if they have a family in britain, the family can fly them in, or get them through the channel tunnel.
>tell me, if we didn't cut benefits until 2003 why did the number of Afghan applications start to fall in 2002? That correlates with the invasion of Afghanistan, not with Blairite reform.
so what war has caused unprecedented numbers entering the UK since 2020? many thousand albanians have also come in. what war are they fleeing? just say that as foreign national they should have a right to british resources - its that easy.
>The kind solution is to lock him in a room with you and tell him if he bums you we'll make him a lord.
the truth is, mate, that you just dont care about this country or the safety of its people. youre literally too corrupt and cowardly to say that we should punish rapists. madness, mate.

>>2403053
You can look up reasons that people claim asylum in the UK you know. 'War' isn't the only reason people flee a nation. It can also involve religious or ethnic persecution, political persecution, etc. For example the leading nationality of asylum seekers is Pakistani citing extremist threat. Albanian refugees on the other hand are only a small proportion.

>>2403056
Also, the majority of said applicants get rejected. You have to *let* people *apply* for asylum. That's what the numbers you cite show. Applications. Not granted asylum.

>>2403047
>should asylum seekers have the right to come to the UK for the sole purpose of claiming gibs?
Yes
>ideally, they would be hung, drawn and quartered. that would be the kindest thing to do.
Murder and punishment fantasies are great at making you feel good but are useless at fixing problems. You'd prevent more rapes by combattng rape culture, patriarchy and (re)educating people but right wingers scoff at those ideas (they like dominating and raping women and children)

>>2403053
>if they have a family in britain, the family can fly them in, or get them through the channel tunnel.
I have bad news for you: This is something called a "crime", if you commit a "crime" you are "breaking the law".
>so what war has caused unprecedented numbers entering the UK since 2020?
On the one hand, Ukraine. (Who get special treatment. Have you ever wondered why?) On the other: You have missed my argument. You cannot read. In the case of Afghanistan and Iraq, Britain going to war reduced the inflow of refugees, since those countries are far away and since it was Britain waging the war.

Anyway, have fun:
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/commentaries/albanian-asylum-seekers-in-the-uk-and-eu-a-look-at-recent-data/
>Albanian small boat arrivals fell dramatically in the last quarter of 2022 and the first quarter of 2023 after a peak in the summer of 2022.
>Less than half of Albanian asylum applications were accepted
>Of all the positive decisions on adult Albanians’ asylum applications (main applicants) in 2022, 88% were for women.
>Albanian men have an initial decision success rate that is well below that for all men, while Albanian women have a higher-than-average success rate (Figure 6). In 2022, 88% of initial decisions for adult women from Albania were positive, compared to 11% for men.

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>>2403058
>asylum seekers should get gibs
is there a limit to how many gibs?
>execution doesnt solve anything
destroying evil is a good in-itself.
>just tell people not to rape
most (british) people are not rapists, in case you didnt notice - and there are dispropotionate figures around rape as well, mainly from people who do actually come from patriarchal rape cultures, like pakistan, india and afghanistan. go and lecture them on their problems.
>>2403056
>'War' isn't the only reason people flee a nation
so not every boat person is fleeing war after all.
>>2403061
>its a crime to come to the UK
not if you have a passport.
>>2403065
welsh nationalists be like:
>hate the pakis
>hate the english
<love the EU
simple as.

>>2403065
Probably one of the "locals" in Epping rn.

>>2403051
That's Magpies, you revisionist.

>>2403052
Someone needs to make a Punished Venom Corbyn.

>illegal immigration isn't illegal if you have a passport
diagnosis: braindead

>>2403080
protestor or counter-protestor?
there were a lot of people bussed in that day

BABYLON IS FALLEN IS FALLEN IS FALLEN BABYLON IS FALLEN TO RISE NO MORE

>>2403084
if you have a passport then travel to UK, you can apply for a visa, and then you can seek asylum:
>Apply for a visa if you want to come to the UK for another reason (for example to work, study or remain with family). If you’re already in the UK and want to remain with family living here, apply for a family of a settled person visa.
https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum
this is indeed a legal mode of asylum seeking. travelling on a small boat is illegal immigration.

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>>2403081
Crow is at times used for corvids more generally, and that's what the myth is, that corvids are attracted to shiny objects, not just magpies.
It comes from them being intensely curious.
The fact that i can live in a city but still be surrounded by green and have magpies land outside my windows is one of the few nice things about this cunttry btw.

>>2403087
You've parsed that wrong.
>Apply for a visa if you want to come to the UK for another reason (for example to work, study or remain with family). If you’re already in the UK and want to remain with family living here, apply for a family of a settled person visa.
This is for people who aren't refugees. This is telling them that you should not claim asylum just because you want to live in the UK, that the correct pathway is to apply for a work, study, or family visa. Getting a work, study, or family visa and then applying for refugee status when using it is a legal route of entry, but it excludes all of the people who aren't eligible for one of those three visas. Those people have no legal means of entering the country.

Good luck getting on a plane to Britain from a country without a visa waiver agreement (e.g. pretty much all the shit countries you'd seek asylum from) without proof that you've got a visa for your final destination.

>>2403094
>it excludes all of the people who aren't eligible for one of those three visas
your original claim was that the reason asylum seekers come to the UK in particular is because they have family here, so why would they be ineligible for the family visa? then you say that the mere act of flying to the UK is illegal, so they are forced to break the law (even though the majority of asylum seekers apply legally). more contradictions.
>Good luck getting on a plane to Britain from a country without a visa waiver agreement (e.g. pretty much all the shit countries you'd seek asylum from)
like france? the small boats are coming from france.

UK ban on Palestine Action at odds with international law, says UN rights chief
The UK government’s ban on Palestine Action limits the rights and freedoms of people in the UK and is at odds with international law, the UN human rights chief has said.
Volker Türk, the UN human rights commissioner, said ministers’ decision to designate the group a terrorist organisation was “disproportionate and unnecessary” and called on them to rescind it.
In a statement on Friday, he said the ban amounted to an “impermissible restriction” of people’s rights to freedom of expression and assembly that was “at odds with the UK’s obligations under international human rights law”.
He added that the decision restricted the rights of people involved with Palestine Action “who have not themselves engaged in any underlying criminal activity but rather exercised their rights to freedom of expression, peaceful assembly and association”.

Maybe Murdoch owned media is actually wrong about immigration and immigrants have you thought about that?

>>2403105
talking to yourself again?

>>2403104
the UN allow israel to commit genocide. they do not enforce justice anywhere.

>>2403097
Family visa is narrow and doesn't apply to brothers/sisters/cousins. Most applications are legal because a lot of people are eligible for one of those 3 visas, but it remains a joke that people who'd have a perfectly valid asylum claim cannot lodge it without breaking the law.

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>>2403052
"We pull in money, recruits, just to combat Labour. Rubbing our noses in bloody political dirt, all for revenge."

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Jeremy Corbyn called a "bloody k*ke" while i was on my way to buy some pastries at Gregg. He didnt even dare to look at me in the eyes.

>>2403105
Unless the Murdoc media somehow made them act like no normal person would in front of my own eyes, I think I'll trust my own instincts.

It's hilarous how the RCP larped as epic 1917 revolutionaries for a couple years, only for them to come running back to their bourgeois masters slathering once the left wing of capital lets them back into the new social-democrat party.

>>2403410
>"In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy." - george orwell, 1984

221 MPs demanding Keir recognise Palestine, after Macron said France will recognise Palestine.
Will he finally do it?

>>2403672
nope.

P R O S C R I B E D O R G A N I S A T I O N !

>>2403639
The funniest bit is joining whatever this New Party turns out to be, and still calling themselves the "Revolutionary Communist Party".

What do you think of the online safety act?

>>2403762
the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
>>2404180
>it's wild police largely don't seem to give a shit
its not just apathy or malice; its cowardice. theyre all shitbags who need 10 of their mates to make one arrest. pack animals and crybabies. a lot of the lumpen act the same way as well, which further connects the police and criminal elements in their behaviour.
>A lot is, but apparently they do pretty high turnover as well
depends what business model youre talking about i suppose. indians and pakistanis are mercantile races, so put in the work to make a profit on re-selling wholesale purchases from costco in their corner shops. the indians have an advantage cos they can sell alcohol ofc. i was more talking about the barber shops or sweet shops or souvenir shops which never sell stock yet rent a commercial space for a long time.

>>2403344
Corbyn tweeted they are past 400 000 now. (Labour has ~300 k members and the Tories ~100 k.)

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>>2404419
according to the masonic "cooke manuscript" (1450 A.D.) it was king athelstan (924-939 A.D.) who first allowed masons to operate in england, so blame him. king edward i expelled jews in 1290, and it was oliver cromwell who re-admitted them in 1656. some say cromwell was a mason, yet there is no firm evidence.

>>2404419
idk fam I think supporting and fighting in WW1 was pants on head retarded and no one should ever be glorified for fighting in such a pointless war

>>2404425
>it was king athelstan (924-939 A.D.) who first allowed masons to operate in england
With the benefit of hindsight, I can say that was probably a mistake.
>it was oliver cromwell who re-admitted them in 1656
That was also a mistake.

>>2404426
At least he signed the armistice in WWII and prevented a rerun of the whole thing from occuring.

>>2404430
idk fam i think aiding in the holocaust and giving hitler an additional resource base he could harvest to attack the ussr was pretty cringe

>>2404417
>they are past 400 000 now. (Labour has ~300 k members and the Tories ~100 k.)
Surely worth considering this is just people signing up to a website mailing list, and not paying to actually be a member?

>>2404434
>giving hitler an additional resource base he could harvest to attack the ussr
In 1940 the French Communists and the USSR opposed the war against Germany and supported the armistice. The USSR immediately recognised Vichy France as the legitimate French government as soon as it was established.

>>2404442
>Surely worth considering this is just people signing up to a website mailing list
It is. But it's still pretty impressive. Let's hope a lot of those numbers turn into paid membership numbers.

I think it's very possible for Corbyn's new party to get hundreds of thousands of members. It was under Corbyn's labour party leadership that the Labour party become one of the largest parties in Europe.

>>2404450
>Still fucking WILD that Luke Akehurst is still allowed in the party.
Why is that "WILD?" The Labour party has pro Zionist leaders. And Luke "the Nuke" Akehurst is an actual political factional heavyweight.

>>2402871
why are people doing entryism on a party which doesnt even have a name yet

>>2404450
Good video.
Though of course it highlights only 4 Labour MPs - is there a video that more comprehensively shows the complicity of all applicable Labour MPs?

Starmer is aligned with Akehurst on everything.
Starmer is a Zionist, married into Judaism, attends synagogue, and wants to ensure his children who are fluent Hebrew speakers will be able to safely move to Israel when they grow up if they so choose.
He will never recognise Palestine. He has no personal or political desire to.
Anyone who believes Labour is a vehicle that will allow for any action to stop the genocide or support Palestine is living in the fucking clouds.

>>2404472
He is truly the model goy

Dual Israeli passport holders should be expected to either renounce their citizenship, or go home and enjoy a nice warm bloodbath.

>>2403344
I think this is just those who have signed up for email notifications. I might give the daft old bugger a fiver.

>>2404410
>Already being used to censor shit like protest and Palestine footage lmao.

Yeah, it blocked most of the Pro-Palestine subs on Feddit as soon as it went out.

>>2404610
Lucky this place is obscure enough to escape the censorship, for now.

>>2404442
Yeah but even if 20% of those who signed up to the emails join, that's still 80k.

>>2404390
>.the indians have an advantage cos they can sell alcohol ofc.
Lmao Pakistanis DO NOT CARE about religious prohibitions on alcohol.
t. live in a city with loads of pakistans.

>>2404442
Isn't it explicitly to form a party, not just to receive information about it?

Aparently David Lammy said RAF spyplanes over gaza are categorically NOT giving info to the entity. Wtf is this blatant lie?


>>2404661
Got a job yet?

>>2404676
Yes actually

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>>2404419
Masons did nothing wrong.

>>2404681
Whatcha doin'?

>>2404682
Sun Yat-Sen was a freemason. He also really liked Japanese schoolgirls apparently.

>>2404688
Who doesnt?



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What a week lads

>national child lock on the internet to save the kids (approved by mumsnet)


>national 9.45 bedtime to save the kids again


6pm - Watch the News
7pm - Eat tea
8pm - watch gogglebox
9pm - watch the daily bedtime story read by Kier Starmer
9.45pm - National Bedtime

tbh anyone staying up later than 9.45 is a wrongun

300K people is quite impressive innit?

>>2404991
It’s a country of 66 million give or take, that’s a drop in the bucket

>>2404991
That's on par with Labour Party membership according to Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(UK)

>>2404991
450 000 as of Sultana's tweet from one hour ago.

From February

https://labourlist.org/2025/02/labour-party-membership-drop-since-general-election/

>Labour has lost more than one in ten members since the general election, new figures suggest, with the party losing one member every ten minutes on average in recent months.


> The party’s paid-up members currently number around 309,000 – down 11.4% from around 348,500 in July last year, according to members of the party’s governing body.


>The most recent figures suggest membership fell by more than 9,500 between the end of November and the end of January – a rate of around one departure every 10 minutes, or 152 a day.


>The statistics are net figures, meaning the rate of departures could be even higher but offset by new joiners.


>National executive committee members also report that the party’s youth membership has fallen to 30,000, from more than 100,000 five years ago.

You know, as an American who knows someone in the UK I skim here every once in a blue moon and this is the only time I've seen positive news here.
Hopefully better days are ahead politically for you guys.

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>>2405005
> this is the only time I've seen positive news here.
Honestly there is an energy about, it's like 2017 again. The yutes have got Corbyn singing Charli XCX. We're so fucking back.

The Jerusalem Press told me Corbyn was last seen outside some house in France wearing a turtleneck and mumbling something about “making those bastards pay”. Anyone know what that’s about?

If the number of people signing up to the mailing list is an accurate reflection of the numbers of people who will join the party, then they will already be 1/3rd larger than Labour, becoming the biggest party in the UK.
Even if only half of the people eventually join, they will still be the 2nd largest party in the UK, bigger than both the Tories and Reform.
Of course it's not as simple as membership numbers = winning elections, you could have a party with 10 million members and still lose an election, but it's a good start at least. We need them to displace Labour as the "left wing" party (obviously there's nothing left wing about Labour at all anymore, but you know what I mean in terms of mainstream labelling).
I honestly believe in the next 2 or 3 years support for the Labour and Tories will evaporate, any pretence that they are relevent will become a joke.
All the centrist neoliberal zionist political elite zombies will flee to the LibDems or maybe work together to make a Change UK 2.0 which will get 0.1% of the popular vote, while the real fight at the next election will be Corbz's DemSoc, Trade Unionist & Trot coalition vs Farage and his band of Hitlerites.

>>2405053
How do we force labour to abandon red and take up a light blue? The colour is to good to abandon.
>I honestly believe in the next 2 or 3 years support for the Labour and Tories will evaporate, any pretence that they are relevant will become a joke.
I've been saying this for ages, the political reality of the center has collapsed for years now, these parties have collapsed across the continent, it's now clear to everyone we live in a new reality. people seem to think this shitty place is exceptional in some way though.

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Why is Corbyn talking about the waspi women SHUT UP ABOUT THE WASPI WOMEN!!!

>>2405053
>>2405133
And remember the voting age will be lowered to 16. It's over for Blairites.

>>2405159
Extermimate the blairite vermin.

you can still watch stuff on xvideos.com with a VPN

>>2404660
Oh, how you've changed Lammy

>>2405485
>I don't get why Corbynite people still support this boomer handout policy.
Two words: The Longhouse

>>2405134
>>2405503
you have to realise that upper middle class left wing mums are a fairly big part of the 'radical' left demographic

give the waspi women money if it helps corbyn get in power whatever

it's a shame dominic cummings is
a) the only high profile person to understand the UK state and parties are completely dysfunctional, and that changing the party in power will achieve absolutely nothing if you don't deal with the whole structure
b) a deranged right-wing lunatic even by right-wing lunatic standards (he thinks pro-palestine protestors are not just naive, or misinformed, or even "pro-hamas", but outright "demanding a second holocaust")

there's basically nobody on the left who can even run an old-style dysfunctional-but-operational party, let alone understand how to set up a functional one, let alone set up a functional one, win office, and then discover the state itself is dysfunctional and cannot implement any of your policies, let alone win, and reform the state so the policies can be implemented

one day a deranged right-wing lunatic might come along and do it, or perhaps the existing dysfunctional structure will dispense with the right-wing lunatics and keep dysfunctioning away indefinitely, but the left doesn't even understand the nature of the problem. management and administration? boring, petit-bourgeois. we've got to argue about the class position of immigrants some more. who wants to talk about a party structure that can deliver outcomes? we already know the optimal party structure - an equal 1/3 mix of anarchist reading circle, CPSU democratic centralism, and trotskyist rape cult backroom dealings.

https://archive.is/cwy2F

Elite police squad to monitor anti-migrant posts on social media

<Concerns for free speech mount as Home Office creates team to flag signs of potential unrest


>An elite team of police officers is to monitor social media for anti-migrant sentiment amid fears of summer riots.


>Detectives will be drawn from forces across the country to take part in a new investigations unit that will flag up early signs of potential civil unrest.


>The division, assembled by the Home Office, will aim to “maximise social media intelligence” gathering after police forces were criticised over their response to last year’s riots.


>It comes amid growing concern that Britain is facing another summer of disorder, as protests outside asylum hotels spread.


>On Saturday, crowds gathered in towns and cities including Norwich, Leeds and Bournemouth to demand action, with more protests planned for Sunday.


>Angela Rayner warned the Cabinet last week that the Government must act to address the “the real concerns that people have” about immigration.


>But critics on Saturday night branded the social media plans “disturbing” and raised concerns over whether they would lead to a restriction of free speech.


>Chris Philp, the shadow home secretary, said: “Two-tier Keir can’t police the streets, so he’s trying to police opinions instead. They’re setting up a central team to monitor what you post, what you share, what you think, because deep down they know the public don’t buy what they’re selling.


>“Labour have stopped pretending to fix Britain and started trying to mute it. This is a Prime Minister who’s happy to turn Britain into a surveillance state, but won’t deport foreign criminals, won’t patrol high streets, won’t fund frontline policing.


>“Labour are scared of the public, Labour don’t trust the public, Labour don’t even know the public.”

Nigel Farage, the Reform UK leader, said: “This is the beginning of the state controlling free speech. It is sinister, dangerous and must be fought. Reform UK will do just that.”

>In a further sign of dissent over the Government’s approach to social media, campaigners claimed on Saturday that posts about anti-migrant protests in the past week had been censored because of new online safety laws.


>The new unit, called the National Internet Intelligence Investigations team, will work out of the National Police Coordination Centre (NPoCC) in Westminster.


>It follows criticism of the authorities for what some regard as a heavy-handed approach to social media, including a judge’s decision to jail Lucy Connolly, a mother of one who is married to a Conservative councillor, for 31 months over an inflammatory post in the wake of the Southport attacks.


>The NPoCC provides the central planning for forces across the country when dealing with “nationally significant protests” and civil disorder.


>It also led Operation Talla, the nationwide police response to the Covid pandemic, which included the enforcement of lockdown rules.


>Plans for the new investigation unit emerged in a letter to MPs by Dame Diana Johnson, the policing minister, which was published just before recess.


[…]

>>2405512
as prisons are approaching maximum capacity, im glad the british state have priorities in order

>>2405513
Who needs prisons when your country basically is one

>>2405505
What's the point in having a new "radical" government when it's just going to continue the wealth transfer from productive young people → unproductive pensioners?

Any party serious about major economic reform would be talking about ending the triple lock at a minimum. Instead here he is wanting to expand the state pension to people who aren't even legally entitled to it!

Remember to tell your friends, your enemies, your wife and her boyfriend to all sign the petition against the new internet censorship law.

Will the petition achieve anything? No. But think about this:
>Do you want to have to submit passport photos and 10 pictures of your face pulling different goofy expressions in order to access 18+ rated video games, watch streamers or anime, and post on social media sites?
>Do you want sketchy US companies holding onto your personal data, photos, and search history forever?
>Do you want to have to pay for a VPN subscription for the rest of your life to avoid the above problems?

We can at least let them know the people aren't happy.
At least you can say you did the bare minimum when your children ask why we have a firewall more restrictive than mainland China.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/722903

>>2405698
These petitions never change anything. The Longhouse has unilaterally decided that porn is violence against muh women so now we have to live with the consequences.

In other news, TopCashback is currently offering 105% cashback on a 24 month NordVPN subscription ending today.

>>2405742
>Ze longhouse
Suck my fucking dick retard
The one actually banning porn are KKKredit KKKard KKKompanies run by people like Peter Thiel and Musk and not matriarchal bureaucrats lounging in a village longhouse
This longhouse shit gotta be the most annoying rightoid trope in years. Even Yarvin's Cathedral has at least some pretense towards calling out the powers that be instead of men with mommy issues whinging about how le nanny state is castrating males

>>2405748
Go back to your containment thread(s) yank.

>>2405742
>Longhouse
My Hitler particle radar is going wild here

The fuck is the longhouse.

What is the chance of the TBD Party not having a throughout vetting process like BSW and getting completely overwhelmed by the tyranny of the annoying?

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>>2405806
BAP is a retard but it's probably the best way to describe our current predicament. I mean, have you seen the current Labour frontbench?

If the Supreme Court ruling on the Equality Act and Labour's reaction to it didn't prove the existence of a Longhouse, surely this latest porn situation does.

>>2405822
At this point the numbers of members should be able to swamp out the SWP. In terms of cranks, we just need to bully them into the WPB.

>>2405831
>look at the labour front bench
What women?? I'm so confused what has that got to do with longhouses.

>>2405842
Basically when humans first settled into conglomerated settlements since the males all hunted and shieet (and died very young) the actual governance of the village is done by aging women who congregated in long buildings located in the middle of the settlement, hence the Longhouse which people like BAP is using as an analogy to female-coded bureaucracy that existed under bourgeois democracy

But this is to ignore that the longhouse emerged during a period of settled living, which as Ibn Khaldun noted is the emergence of wealth stratification and concentration of power around patriarchs and tribal chiefs, eventually giving rise to the bronze age slave states. So rather than an expression of feminimity the longhouse is a mechanism of labour discipline wielded by patriarchs.
In fact there might be quite a lot of men who participated in these 'longhouses'. And we can know this because late tribal societies were dominated by secret societies, often dominated by males, that later transformed into the human-sacrificing priesthoods of bronze age societies. It is not a stretch to imagine that these tribal secret societies might have emerged from the longhouses, which implied that there was a sizeable male presence there

>>2405821
>longhouse
Term invented by neo-Fascist / manosphere / alt right internet personality "Bronze Age Pervert", and popularly used amongst the online far right & incels.

It's a metaphor refering to different types of men that existed in pre-historic society.
They claim the men that went out hunting and fighting are the equivalent of the modern extreme right and incels.
In contrast the men who stayed behind in the longhouses - the men who were weak and effeminate, who would've knitted fabrics, brushing the floors, collected berries - are the equivalent of any modern group the modern Fascists hate - be it establishment Liberals or radical Leftists (they don't understand the difference), people who are opposed to racism, who support women's rights, gay rights, etc.

It really is some nonsense bs. Just saying "my side (Nazis and virgins) are the alpha outgoing hyper masculine chads, and your side (anyone else) is gay and feminised".

There’s more than enough resources in the UK to give every migrant and native equally dignified lives, all you need to do is finish the revolution

>>2405516
>unproductive pensioners?
Let old people have some dignity while we take their shit after they die.

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>>2405822
>like BSW and getting completely overwhelmed by the tyranny of the annoying?

Unfair to compare to BSW when the founders were already the tyranny of the annoying in Die Linke.

BSW is just a German version of the WPB, they're social fascists and Z-pilled. The same personality cult around their leader too.
They achieved nothing apart from costing Die Linke some seats. But Die Linke are a fully Zionist pro-Israel Dem Socs so it's basically just two groups of morons hurting each other.

>>2405899
Nah tbf the current iteration is pretty anti-Zionist for the Germans' taste.

500 000

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>>2405853
the longhouse theory is older than BAP. you can read about in the works of camille paglia and robert graves. its also what engels refers to as primitive matriarchy. BAP has praised paglia before (since both are "nietzscheans").
>>2405742
porn is violence against women and men. an industry of exploitation, sex trafficking and objectification.
>>2405856
>theres more than enough resources to dole out
yes, but we shouldnt, since not everyone deserves them.

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>>2405850
>>2405853
This is so retarded its insane, like at least get your historical larp right. Actual Bronze Age longhouses in Northern Europe were big to accomodate large herds of cattle which was your wealth basically. They were on their own mostly. A longhouse was owned by a clan and the patriarch (or occasionally matriarch, but either way strong family leader) lived in a big room at the end with their wife whilst everyone else lived with the cattle and industry was done at the other end. The epic strongman chief did like cattle herding and family politics, I don't know what weird conception of prehistory these people have but the leaders were mostly all old men who sat around with loads of wealth and made their extended family graze cattle all day.

>>2406025
Gooning kills

>>2406025
> yes, but we shouldnt, since not everyone deserves them.
This is the logic that leads to austerity and American bullshit, cease

>>2406072
there is an order of priority. british citizens should be served before anyone else by the british state (which is funded by british taxpayers). your logic leads to privileging foreigners over citizens, which is what is currently in action and why there is so much civil unrest. we privilege foreign criminals domestically and foreign criminals like israel abroad.

https://unherd.com/2025/07/the-ulsterisation-of-english-politics/

The Ulsterisation of English politics
Westminster is losing legitimacy

>In his 1977 book The Break-Up of Britain, the socialist and Scottish nationalist writer Tom Nairn titled his chapter on the United Kingdom’s then-most restive province “Northern Ireland: Relic or Portent?” On this, as with so much else, Nairn may have been prescient. A year ago, it was natural to speculate on whether anti-migrant disturbances would become a feature of the English summer, as those deriving from the province’s traditional, and now largely ceremonial, ethnic conflict are in Northern Ireland. Today, it appears that “rioting season” has become England’s new routine. Rather than a freak occurrence, to be dealt with by harsh sentencing, the mixed protests and clashes in Epping, like the demonstrations in Diss and now Canary Wharf, still seem like only tremors before a greater earthquake. When Nigel Farage warned this week that “nobody in London understands how close we are to civil disobedience”, the response from Left-liberals, confused and frightened by a predictable course of events nevertheless incomprehensible to their worldview, was to cast him as a sort of English Ian Paisley, threatening violence at a safe remove for political gain.


>A more apposite analogy, perhaps, would be with the last-ditch attempt, in 1968, to wrest the province from societal breakdown delivered by Northern Irish Prime Minister Captain Terence O’Neill in his famous “Ulster stands at the Crossroads” broadcast. “What kind of Ulster do you want?” O’Neill asked, “A happy and respected province… or a place continually torn apart by riots and demonstrations?” O’Neill, a brave, perceptive and forward-thinking reformer, proved unequal to the task before him. It must be said that neither Keir Starmer nor Nigel Farage approach his calibre.


>Is it going too far to declare a creeping Ulsterisation of English politics? In a response to their demographic decline, currently mostly focusing on the British state’s loss of control of the nation’s borders, one would have expected the English to adopt a similar siege mentality to that of Ulster’s Protestants, whose “conditional loyalty” to the British state has always been dependent on the sense that it was safeguarding their ethnic interests. It now appears that they have. Like the PSNI, the English police is being criticised for its handling of disorder by a mobilising ethnic community, with the latter enjoying the tentative support of two political parties. One of those, Reform, increasingly appears to be poised to swap roles with what was famously dubbed, until Cameron, “Britain’s natural party of government”. As with the SDLP and UUP in Northern Ireland, respectively replaced by the more radical Sinn Fein and the DUP through a process of what analysts of such conflicts call “ethnic outbidding”, the dynamics in mainland Britain are adopting uncanny echoes of Ulster’s once-unique dysfunction. The DUP is now being threatened from its Right by an even more explicitly ethnic party, Traditional Unionist Voice, though this has not happened in Britain or England. The dynamics of the next decade — what remains of Labour’s capacity to govern the country, and the unknowable, but not immediately reassuring possibilities, of a Farage-led Britain — will surely determine this question.


>As in most ethnically divided polities, Northern Irish politics is a dispiriting gridlock of low-quality politicians uneasily managing the ethnic rivalries of their voter bases, placating them with symbolic treats while building nothing of value, all while failing to reform an economic basket case. Yet it also differs from England. Sharing an island, Northern Ireland’s Loyalist anti-migrant riots now overlap ambiguously with the Irish Republic’s protests, riots and sporadic arson attacks against mooted mass-migration housing. Ulster Loyalists have attempted cooperation across the border with Southern anti-migration activists, and have been rebuffed, with the Southern protest organisers adopting an increasingly Republican, and partially Gaelic nationalist flavour. Yet the cross-border dynamics also extend to the forces of order, with London and Dublin joining together to suppress anti-migration disorder. Fearing a recurrence of the Dublin riots — the modern precedent, I believe, for all such occasions on both islands since — the Irish state borrowed water cannon from Northern Ireland’s PSNI. Similarly, the current murder trial of a Northern Irish citizen in Belfast, allegedly by an asylum seeker, is, highly unusually, being held in Dublin, presumably in an attempt to ward off disturbances north of the border. Westminster and Dublin may not have agreed on much when it came to Brexit, but they happily cooperate on this more existential matter.


>Do the “Epping Says No” placards derive from Ballymena, or from Coolock? The slogan-coiner is from the Homeland Party, an identitarian Right-wing group strongly analogous to Ireland’s National Party, right down to the visual branding and internal feuding. Indeed, Homeland’s recent attempt to expand to Northern Ireland was quickly demolished by National Party-sympathetic Gaelic nationalists on both sides of the border. On anti-immigration activism, it is possible to discern the cultural and political dynamics in the Irish Republic, Northern Ireland and Great Britain influencing, accelerating but also rivalling each other in a cycle of cultural exchange, just as they have done throughout the history of our archipelago.


>In the summer of 1914, mainland Britain was only spared a civil war spreading from Ulster by the outbreak of the First World War, just as 1640s Protestant settler refugees from Ulster fleeing to London helped spark the conditions for England’s only civil war the state chooses to refer to as such. The Glorious Revolution, still referred to as such for its foundational role in the wavering modern liberal-democratic order, is still celebrated for its climactic Boyne victory every summer by Ulster Loyalists, albeit for their own Irish reasons. Unlike a growing number on the Right, or even in ordinary life, I believe the modern British state is very far from outright conflict. Yet disturbances of a lesser kind, for being less grave in their consequences, are surely more likely to spread, and to become our new, so easily avoidable, normal.


>Many of last year’s English rioters, given the epicentre of the disturbances in northwest England, were of Irish descent and may, like that other child of the Irish diaspora, Tommy Robinson, have kept up with events across the water. Even the English movement’s two political martyrs, Lucy Connolly and Peter Lynch, bear good Gaelic surnames, just like Reform’s Epping candidate and female organiser, as well as many of the Homeland Party’s public faces. Whether this signifies successful Irish diaspora assimilation into Britishness is perhaps a deeper question than you might initially think. Similarly, the “No Surrender” slogan on the English flag borne by masked Canary Wharf protestors nods to the interest in Ulster Loyalism apparent in some London football firms, something also true of the British radical Right in the Seventies and Eighties.


>The Euro ‘96 effect, beloved of Fabian commentators still trapped in that halcyon age, appears under pressure. In England, flags are re-adopting a territorial nationalist or communitarian quality, just as they always have in Northern Ireland and as is increasingly the case with the Palestine flag in South Asian Muslim areas of Britain. Yet the similar ambiguities over the politics of the flag, sometimes civic and sometimes ethnic nationalist, is also true in the case of Scotland and Wales, if there deriving from Britain’s foundational ethnic conflicts. How the new politics of mass migration will interact with the Westminster state’s already fraught management of three existing ethnic separatist movements is so far an unknown quantity. Through its own ineptitude, Britain’s political class has created a situation of almost unimaginable complexity, whose outcome is impossible to predict.


>While there are many similarities between the current wave of English protests and Ireland’s longer-running ones, the existence in England of two political parties more than tacitly backing mass mobilisation is a major difference, let alone the fact that one of these parties is currently topping the polls. The current asylum hotel protests have seen Reform tack back away from the centre and towards chasing the angry public mood, here defined as the increasingly radicalised Facebook comment sections of provincial news websites. Yet if England’s provinces are adopting the aggrieved, conditionally loyal attitudes of Ulster Loyalists, Reform increasingly appears as the equivalent of the mainstream Unionist parties, uneasily representing their volatile support base while disavowing its methods. Labour, on paper, possesses four more years to dampen the angry public mood: but given the extent of radicalisation over the party’s first year in power, it is difficult to imagine what British politics will look like by 2029.


>Where the Republic of Ireland differs is that the “mammy-at-the-forefront” legal protests against planned asylum centres coexist with the social pressures of public shaming and intimidation, and the sporadic, and mostly nocturnal arson, of migration infrastructure. I’ve often toyed with writing about the historic line from the Land Wars, and Ireland’s earlier rural outrages and peasant mobilisation, to Ireland’s current popular insurgency. Now I find it hard to believe that England is many years away from such direct activism. If anything, the attempted burning of occupied migrant housing in last year’s English riots went far beyond the Irish arson wave on unoccupied centres. Yet while the Republic of Ireland is a few stages ahead of Britain — in terms of the focussed application of violence against the infrastructure of mass migration — it is certainly not approaching the civil war scenario which Britain’s mainstream Right is now rhetorically toying with, and nor, I would say, are we. At least, not yet.


>But if English rioters have drawn a lesson from Ballymena, it is that, judiciously applied, violence works: far more quickly and decisively than voting anyway. Five years ago, the British state bent its knee to a wave of protests and rioting over explicitly racialised solidarity with a different ethnic group thousands of miles away. Why would it not buckle further before the previously dormant, and now increasingly volatile, majority ethnic population? Even in Northern Ireland, as the Guardian recently observed, the Ballymena riots were successful on their own terms: “of the approximate pre-riot [Roma] population of 1,200, two-thirds are gone — or, to use a loaded term, ethnically cleansed.” For the residents of Epping, similar methods have proved equally effective. This is not a lesson a serious state should be imparting to its populace, but it is the situation the British state has now created for itself.


>Unlike Northern Ireland, where rioting is traditionally confined to “interface areas” where working-class sections of the two dominant ethnic groups abut each other, in England this summer any migrant facility could be the spark of protest, and any protest could become a riot. Most will be peaceful, will fizzle out, or just won’t draw numbers. But planning and preparing for the rare occasions where violence does occur will strain Westminster’s capacity to respond. The policy of dispersing migrant housing across the country has only dispersed the opportunities for protest. Last year, it was the North; this year, so far, Eastern England. Angela Rayner’s solution is apparently to replace the hotels with private rented accommodation in residential areas. But Ballymena shows the risks with this approach. For a state whose every budgetary decision is now being associated with mass migration and its consequences, then whatever it says about the future path of the Westminster system, the policing costs of this apparent new reality will be enormous.


>As in Northern Ireland, meanwhile, the police itself — its ethos, its tactical decisions and its demographic make-up — will become a source of political contention. As for adventures abroad, or the approaching world war the Westminster state continually warns us of, I do not see the young men of Epping or Diss eagerly answering Whitehall’s future call to star in a drone snuff video. Just like Ireland in the First World War, and Northern Ireland in the Second, even conscription now looks untenable within the British state’s former English heartland. Given the international commitments it has adopted towards other countries’ borders, this presents a major problem. A government excessively enamoured with the opinion of global elites, even by the standards of the Westminster establishment, will now find that political paralysis at home through recurrent ethnic rioting is also Not A Good Look.


>The Westminster state has spun itself into a web of legal, moral and essentially aesthetic obligations which it cannot easily escape, in its current form anyway. How can Starmer smash the gangs when the biggest smuggling gang of all — in its lavish inducements to game the asylum process, and its fawning attitude to the rent-seeking and grey economies propped up by mass migration — is the British state itself? The gangs to be smashed all sit in Whitehall offices: yet neither Starmer, nor maybe even Farage, are temperamentally inclined to the task ahead. Perhaps this, more than the external displays of flags or rioting, marks the real Ulsterisation underway this summer. Holding or ceding Northern Ireland is a manageable headache for Westminster, which correctly treats the statelet like its own self-contained universe. But losing legitimacy in England is an existential problem for the British state. However this ends — and there are many potential outcomes, a few of them positive — whoever succeeds Starmer will face a daunting, and perhaps impossible task. As for the current government, the danger is that for its opponents on the street, England’s Ulsterisation increasingly appears less a threat than an exciting new opportunity.

>>2406083
>the british state (which is funded by british taxpayers).
I doubt that.

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>>2406031
>with loads of wealth
At least in the americas they would not be so wealthy often as they had to always be giving things away to keep everyone happy.

>>2405742
Porno-Treatlerite loser goes full mask off when he loses his goonstash - more on this at 12.

Can someone explain me why, even after months of absence, I got back here and you could be 100% sure the bong thread was always infested by some kind of Enoch Powell-esque cyber-thug having nothing else to do than complaining about muh foreigners and posting links to unashamedly rightwing propaganda outlets? Like, who even cares about what Nigel Chungus has to say or some David Icke-adjacent shitty website is obsessing about? What's next, "Black Belt Barrister"? "GBNews"? For fuck's sake, mate…

>>2406176
Gift giving was also a major part of bronze age europe, specifically the bronze itself. That's how the metal circulated. Idk if it really should be called gift giving though, it is more of a social payment almost to keep alliances. It was also very long distance, I think in Dover the bronze age boat had a bunch of broken and 2nd hand bronze tools onboard that they were going to sell for just the metal. It's a very interesting topic.

>>2406221
Because the basket weavers think its important to post here, for some reason.

Are you UK folx seriously on the brink of creating IngSoc but without the socialism?

>>2405742
This wasn't "the longhouse", this was literally porn company lobbying.
Mindgeek owns the verification service and knows it can use it to (a) disadvantage their competitors and smaller independent sites, and (b) get more people to pay for porn, since the primary barrier to them doing so is "ugh, fuck the effort of giving them my card details", but if you've got to give them your face and card details to watch porn anyway…

>>2405822
my nightmare scenario is: england is fine, but scotland picks up all the crank freak retards who failed to make it in the greens/snp for being tedious, bigoted, and stupid. the party then winds up poisoned by association. (because purging the scottish wing would basically remove them from part of the country, but not purging it means they're okay with whatever stupid bullshit they do)

>>2406447
In this scenario you're the person you are complaining about

>>2406112
well, tax revenues raised last year came to £1.1 trillion - so at least that much is paid in.
>>2406156
nigel should "touch grass" as the youfs say.
>>2406221
enoch powell was a tory melt who even got BTFO by oswald mosely in the 60s, since mosely wanted monetary sovereignty and autarky in national industry (while powell wanted a gold standard and le free market). thatcher is the daughter of powell and blair is the son of thatcher.

muh tax muh tax (but leftistly)

>>2406478
talking to yourself?

I like how her name is Bad Enoch, as if Enoch Powell wasn’t bad enough

even daytime telly is against the synagogue of satan, yet the golem government still arrests anti-israeli protestors for terrorism charges.

reform UK: israel first

>>2406221
>Can someone explain me why, even after months of absence, I got back here and you could be 100% sure the bong thread was always infested by some kind of Enoch Powell-esque cyber-thug having nothing else to do than complaining about muh foreigners and posting links to unashamedly rightwing propaganda outlets? L
Becuz /leftypol/ jannie are megafaggots. they've been informed, read the reports, etc, but reply that 'idc i don't read britpol.'.

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>>2406505
snitches get stitches

>>2406515
By your own telling you literally didn't have the backbone to stand up to a schizo mentally ill retard and sat back and watched as a 'pretty large notable Communist party' was destroyed. You are the thing you complain about!

>>2406521
>You are the thing you complain about!
such is life

>>2406447
you should have beaten her to death for ruining a communist org you limp wristed cuckold

>>2406447
>The biggest issue with the Western Left is actually having a backbone to stand up to fucking schizos
>watched a pretty large notable Communist party about 15 years ago I was a part of get torn to absolute shreds by a BPD wrecker
>Instead of wading in, I just Michael Jackson popcorn gif watched it all
Mmmmmmmh and can the Michael Jackson inside of you step aside for a moment. Close your eyes. Mmmm. There he is, Michael Jackson. Now Michael moonwalks into the shadows. I feel another of your Soul Shards wants to come forward and speak now. Which one.

>>2406529
any org whose downfall is a BPD girl deserves its fate

>>2406546
maybe he should look at the man in the mirror

>>2406548
Sorry anon, best we got is a mirror in the bathroom.

>>2406564
Really it should be communist policy to shoot cluster b’s as soon as they’re identified. Not only will they tear down any communist movement for their own self gratification but they’re quite simply a danger to others. Of course if you dare deviate from the Westoid left’s Steven Universe martyr bullshit you get called a fascist but actual communism in practice gets denounced as fascism anyways so there’s really no excuse other than preserving your social standing with wreckers and useful idiots

>far-right anglo-saxon criticises the british centre-right, including irish invader steven yaxley-lennon (tommy robin-sob), russian-backed carl benjamin, tory wimp rupert low and thatcherite traitor nigel farage.

dominic cummings could be legitimate if he wasnt a zionist shill. everything potentially valid which a zionist shill says becomes invalid by this condition.

>>2406515
the main wreckers won't be the mentally ill BPD freaks, they'll be, in ranked order.
1. boomer transphobes who want the party to adopt the exact same line as literally every other mainstream party, machine gunning its feet by giving the young a clear an unambiguous reason to prefer the greens. a moronic idea that can only tar corbyn by association with their stupidity.
2. assorted rape-cult freaks who only want to use it as a vehicle to boost their ~500 member cult to a 550 member cult, not caring if it fucks over a 400,000 member org to do so.
3. the fact nobody on the left understands the first thing about organization or managing an institution that can deliver on a goal.

you can, i suppose, consider the first two a variety of mental illness. but i think it'll wind up dysfunctional for different reasons.

>>2406656
there are a few other areas where he's deranged, which is a shame because he really does get close on some important issues.

if Jeremy Corbyn had won the 2017 election with an overwhelming majority made up entirely of loyal MPs, it's still overwhelmingly likely that his government would have fucked it for the simple reason that the state itself is not capable of implementing policy effectively. forget the question of whether reheated social democracy would work if implemented: can it be implemented? what makes you think that a government that can't build a railway can do anything?

>>2406692
There was a military coup unironically planned against Harold Wilson, it’s not would it work, it’s not could it be implemented, it’s would the “social” or the “democracy” Corbyn represents survive his election to PM

>>2406699
Not with the parliamentary labour party

>Corbyn is never going to create a party!
>Corbyn's party is never going to take off!
MI5, red fascists or bitter trots?

>>2406725
Weren’t trots the most enthusiastic Corbyn people? Not the SEP ones but whoever is with Alan Woods’ old clique?

>>2406725
I think you’re in the wrong place, because neither of those were the concerns, the concern is that socdem’ism won’t work even if elected

>>2406726
Not that I recall anyone in particular.

>>2406729
That's not what that particular poster is whining about

>>2406729
Seeing an honest and good man get ratfucked for trying to make people’s lives 10-20% easier radicalizes the politically engaged, gotta thibk dialectically

>>2406692
in the talk, he shifts the shameless disgrace of the boriswave onto the homes office and treasury, so he's not exactly a dignified leader. as a member of the audience stated, boris changed the points system to be "popular with the financial times", not as any betrayal of his noble intentions.

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here's a weird question, but has anyone else noticed that people are randomly clapping in public? maybe its autism but the sound of clapping brings my attention straight away, and i only started noticing it a few months ago, but now it seems to be a daily thing.

"australian style points based immigration system" is the funniest saga in british politics
>Blair, who has brought in mass immigration from Europe, introduces the idea to UK discourse in 2005's labour manifesto
>Brown promises it again in 2010 even though Labour kind of pretend they've already implemented it
>UKIP pick it up in 2014
>Brexit happens
>no longer trapped by annoying EU rules on having to let in all those bastard Europeans and on having to steady-on a bit with opening our doors to the world, we can have our Australian style points based immigration system! no more immigrants unless they've got points! gimme my flat white australia!
>Tory government actually implement an australian style points based immigration system
>it leads to far more immigration than the old system
>This should've been obvious to anyone who knew anything about Australia, where the population has grown by 10 million since 1990 and where 30% of the current population were born overseas, overwhelmingly from India, China and other Asian countries.

waiter, waiter, there's soup in my soup!!

>>2406759
take your meds schizo

>>2406764
farage's concern was that free travel in the EU would cause hoards of turks to come over. as soon as brexit is made "official" in 2020, EU migration plummets and non-EU migration skyrockets. another brexit scam by old nige. now he will be PM and deliver more broken promises (like how he said brexit would save the NHS, and now we have doctors on strike).

>>2406699
Is a coup even needed? I'm not a legal expert, but Britain is a monarchy. There might be some obscure rules in old dusty books that allow for almost anything while staying within the bounds of what the law allows. Besides, national elections are not annually. So there is plenty of time to make changes that are hard to impossible to reverse before Corbyn's Communislamic Gamer Alliance takes over.

>>2406787
Perhaps but it wouldn’t be a military coup just to ape that Pinochet aesthetic, it’s to then implement martial law and start shooting people for protesting the removal of a rightfully elected PM, let alone if people surprise the fuck out of me personally and actually do something to materially oppose it.

>>2406767
>take your meds schizo
I don't think they've invented sperger meds yet and the doctors will die before they let him have a valium.

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And you know they fucking would open fire ‘n all

>>2406809
always found it mad the way SW1 gets away with going on-and-on about MPs safety (read: windbags going "two MPs were murdered, this shows why people should be jailed for calling me a cunt on twitter") but everyone gave a massive shrug at this.

>>2406817
YES, mate.
im glad im not the only one who (((noticed))) the bloody disabled larp thats going on, especially with lesbians.

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>>2406809
yea, the very end part of AVBC. He has to get through all the other bits first THOUGH.

>>2406815
Exactly, this isn’t just threatening towards Corbyn himself but it says a lot about their attitude towards his supporters as well, it’s outright treachery and the fact that despite, for all the hundreds and thousands of “radical” Corbyn supporters, not a single soldier got a once over during a night out in a military town suggests to me that Corbyn supporters wouldn’t do shit if the worse comes to pass with a military coup


>>2406819
Used to think chinooks could transport tanks

>>2406833
a good stat he pulled out was the fact that it can take over 20 years to complete government projects. all in all, i do think a reboot on government is necessary, fit with a new constitution.
>ugly zoomers
yeah, the wheelchairs, the nose rings, the obesity - all a bit much for me. deficient human capital, as they say.

>>2406850
my greatest political desire would be to create a law code which can fit into a single textbook, so that anyone can read it for themselves. i would also like complete transparency for government activity, such as a detailed list of public expenditures and so on. also, i would follow the platonic ethic of limiting the salary of all politicians down to the minimum wage - further regulations have been suggested by others, such as politicians requiring families, physical fitness, etc.
i would also like to scrap the 1p, 2p and 5p coin, so that the 10p denomination is the basis of a new, simplified currency system.
a lot of issues would also be helped if you just got rid of the hatespeech malarkey. it would at least save us millions of pounds in internet taskforce units.
on the police, they should be cut by at least 50%
and we bring back capital punishment, of course.

>>2406850
>>2406868
i also think residential properties should be built for young people (18-25) in the style of premier inn hotels, with CCTV in every hallway and security in the lobby. these should replace most flat tower blocks.

all new housing development should require detached houses only (nothing i can stand less than a lovely house which is semi-detached for no good reason).

also, the job centre should actually provide jobs.

>>2406896
the premier inn new builds shiuld also be for old people too

>>2406896
>the job centre should actually provide jobs.
Honestly, how do they avoid the trades description act?

>>2406901
same way "poundland" does i suppose 👀

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mate. these were absolutely lovely-jubbly.
get down to your local morrisons before it closes.

550 000

peter hitchens on the damage that cars have had on civilisation

>>2406920
Good energi. strong vibes. i approve.

>>2406936
Good for her

>>2406936
Anons, i'm thinking we need to get our name suggestions strait so we don't waste votes, are you thinking Nubriton united or Nubitron together, or Nubriton unbowed, or?

They should call it the REAL Labour party

>>2406948
The Nubriton Labour party?

>>2406962
labour party of the yookay

>>2406967
Now we're getting somewhere. How about Yookay Together?

Provisional Labour Party

>>2406656
Dude is hoemad that he had power and did fuckall with it (and got caught doing corruption while he was at it).

>>2406936
Zarah suggested it should just be called "The Left" or "The Left Party" which is pretty decent tbh

Chinky. Magners original. Peep Show.

There's no beating this lads.

>>2407149
It’s a terrible idea
>Firstly: that’s just a rip off of the name of the German party that might suggest its part of a multinational party
>Secondly: it creates ambiguity the newspapers will have an absolute field day with, playing it fast and lose with whether they’re talking about “The Left” the party or “The Left” the general concept of not being a rightoid
>Thirdly: it implies they’re planning the party to be a big tent party that includes anyone who considers themselves left-wing. Big tent parties work for political conservatives who may strongly disagree on the age of consent and the death penalty, but are unbreakably unified by the desire to maintain that the rich ought to stay rich and the poor ought to stay poor. Affecting genuine social change requires concise ideas and policies that people can adopt, waltzing in to parliament with the claim that you’re here to chew bubblegum and radically change society and you’re all out of bubblegum, armed only with a massive, disorganised and often contradictory ideals that a future government is to be based on won’t cut it


Even despite being an ML, I’d sooner get behind an unapologetically anarchist movement than something that wants to appeal to both the “property is theft!” crowd and the “well I think current rich people are naughty and should be taxed a lot more, but I don’t think people should be entirely prevented from being rich, if they worked hard and improved society somewhat!” crowd

>>2407164
List of ideals*

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How should the elephant be addressed?

>>2406944
The messaging of the new party should be consistent with this perspective: The Labour Party and the Tories are becoming irrelevant, the "Reform" party is becoming the big enemy. What contrasts with this name?
1. Revolution.
2. Transform.
>B-b-but you can't do that as there already is a group of six people named that?
Who cares! (Five of them have already signed up on Sultana's list anyway.)

>>2407200
if they call the party 'revolution' they'll probably get instantly put on the proscribed org list lol

but the more serious point is that most of their audience probably prefers to imagine reform than revolution

>>2406948
If the new party can get away with having "Labour" in their name, they could potentially get some confused low info boost in the polls.

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>>2406817
>Weird one is why like 30% of fucking Zoomer women are walking around with fucking canes or are in wheel chairs which they pop up from and walk around.
Maybe they're just trying to be dapper. LMAO. Thank god that's not a thing in the states.

Why are there a bunch of journos pissed at Jezza for making his new party. I know they already hated him but now they are seething at how this new party is the same as KPD with the Nazis aka Reform. My guess is that they got what they wanted and it turned out shit

How's reversing the internet shutdown going?
Oh wait!
YOUR GOVERNMENT TOLD YOU TO FUCK YOURSELF
CUCKS

>>2407164
In the UK those two positions are equally radical and unacceptable.

>>2407200
I'm not a fan of those, but "revolution" would be funny (to a small set of Revolution voters, anyway) because you could pose the next election as a choice between "Reform or Revolution?"

>>2407274
It "is", insofar as it's a thing. I've never seen it irl, i'm only familiar with it because of Americans like Freddie DeBoer whining about it. If I'm honest, I'd speculate that while there are a handful of LARPers, anon probably lives in an area with a higher disability rate than average, and I live in one that's at-or-below average.

>>2406593
>Rightoid dunking on other rightoids
Ok?

>>2407557
This is why we need to abolish the distinction between town and country.

>>2405134
why are we pretending that every pensioner in britain is living the life of riley?

Wikipedia and Apple are suing the UK government over the Online Safety Act. Not seen any mainstream media cover this yet, wonder why.
Also Labour's technology minister said those who oppose the new law "are on the side of Jimmy Savile".

>>2407624
Lmao, that’s wild that they can project the government colluding to cover up noncery on to not wanting to hand over your passport to anyone online that asks for it

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>lower down the voting age to 16
>piss off the younger generations with Online Safety Act

This is so called modern “Left”, they wonder why Zoomers voted for right wing.

>>2407637
You don't think they care more about slowing down the spread of information that can radicalize youth?

Truth be told, the yookay these days doesn't even qualify as a banana republic, just because there's no republic, but the banana part is going strong.
In order to travel here, I had to submit some nonsense through an app I had to download on my phone and then I also had to pay SIXTEEN QUID right on the spot without any warranty the application would be accepted. Luckily I got a positive reply after just a minute, but they said it could take up to THREE BLOODY WORKING DAYS. Also, the thing will be valid for two years.
But what bothered me the most was that I had to declare that I wasn't a member of any "proscribed" organisation and I didn't hold any "extremist" or some bollocks views. I mean, the Bri'ish goverment is an extremist organisation and it should be proscribed today, same with the labour and conservative parties.
And now, this "no wank" internet thing. We really got to the "mate, can I see your wonking loycense"?

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>>2407682
>Labour
<Left
>Zoomers
<Voting Right wing
You need to return to reality

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>>2407720
Stop posting the cringe fucking song is not fucking funny.

>>2407197
only white leftists truly believe in pluralism. everyone else believes in tribalism.

>>2407682
labour are a far right party, not "left"
>>2407790
tories and tory-lite being good goys

>>2407802
That's the fakest looking graph I've seen in a while.


>>2407816
>America
Outcomes disregarded.

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>>2407816
As expected the graph is completely fake and made up shit; typical of /pol/ and 4chan retards who make bar graphs than ascribe it to random studies.

This is the only race-based question on the entire survey that it "cites". As you can tell, this question is completely innocent and cannot measure "in group bias" in any way lmao.

>>2407825
and theres also the fact his 2500 sample size become utterly meaningless when separated by race, theres only 46 asian, and 250 black/hispanic compared to 1600 "whites", and the scale isnt clearly labelled
although this pales in comparison to what you noticed which makes it straight up lying

>>2407825
>graph is fake
no it isnt… the graph displays the results from the relative questions. thats why the source is attached to it. do you not understand empirical studies or statistics?
>you cant measure group bias
yes you can…
there were also more questions which you failed to highlight from the survey (picrel). the category of questions you cherrypicked from is literally centred around "group empathy". should have scrolled up. 🤷🏻‍♂️
>>2407848
survey results work per capita. larger sample sizes give more accurate results, but there is always a minimal threshold. how many asians included would be acceptable to you?

>>2407860
>>2407848
apparently asians make up 6% of the US population, but the study's sample of asians was only 2% - would 100 more asians suffice?

>tommy robinson leaves country after being caught knocking someone out
so he is a fugitive?

>>2407860
Again all these questions cannot properly quantify "in group bias".
>Irish, Italians, Jewish and many other minorities overcame prejudice and worked their way up. Blacks should do the same without any special favors
HOLY LOADED QUESTION. This is not a serious survey. So if a Black person checks "disagree strongly" because their initial hunch is "but none of those groups were enslaved" they would be rated as +100 to "ingroup bias"? How does that make any sense whatsoever?

Again, show me this exact bar graph >>2407802

How was the data calculated? I opened the raw data and there are 2700+ caseid entries. The survey said they only surveyed 2500 people. The survey can't even tell the TRUTH about the NUMBER of people who entered into the survey. And when I'm checking the raw data it also revealed that many people didn't complete all the questions in the survey so there's people who literally did a few questions and stopped and quit and didn't bother with the rest. -1, -7, and -4 all indicate people skipping questions, refusing to answer, or data errors. Go through the raw data and look at how utterly FUCKED this survey is with the amount of data errors and non-answers on the emp_concern questions.

FURTHERMORE this was done via INTERNET like every other shitty non-scientific survey ever done. According to ANES people who contribute are incentivized to QUICKLY COMPLETE SURVEYS because if they complete 40 surveys they get a gift card. There is nothing stopping people from literally clicking on a random answer every time just to pretend like they did the survey.

tl;dr you are still wrong. The bar graph is still fake.

>>2407883
about to be. thank fuck for that.
His main audience is yanks anyway.

>UK will recognise palestinian state in september UNLESS israel undertakes conditions toward a ceasefire

>>2407886
>all these questions cannot properly quantify "in group bias".
yes you can; read the "group empathy" questions
>number of people in survey
the case records 2500 "completed" surveys, so the rest are decidedly incomplete
>The bar graph is still fake.
you dont seem to know what "fake" means

>>2407890
>UK will recognise palestinian state in september UNLESS israel undertakes conditions toward a ceasefire
That is the most pathetic "threat" I've ever heard of.

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>>2407896
>Transphobe is also a racist
What a shocker lmao

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Starmer must nuke Tehran for this.

>>2407865
>survey results work per capita. larger sample sizes give more accurate results
you're fucking retarded and dont know how stats work
when you're separating your sample - whether by gender, race or any other metric, you're effectively reducing the sample size to each of those categories, it doesnt matter how much they are in the general population or what the initial sample was.
also whites dont really suffer from systemic discrimination in USA, so its pretty obvious anyone white with half a brain dont think its "important that whites work together to change laws that are unfair to whites" and ofc you are more often "concerned for people from another ethnic group" when they represent a bigger share of the disenfranchised and can actually suffer from job or police discrimination
and it still doesnt tell me what this "mean" scale actually means. Percentage? Of what, all the racially coded question?
your framing is pure dishonesty

>>2407865
also why the fuck do you dig up a US survey in the brit thread is also a good question, unless you think culture doesnt play a role here, which would again show you're fucking retarded

>>2407939
>>2407941
youre not yourself when youre hungry.
have a snickers.

>>2407947
nta but you are embarrassing yourself. sometimes it's better for your own sake to just accept you are wrong.

>>2407971
>nta
sure.
>wrong
wrong about what? i posted a study. you dont like the results. you sperg out. im not your carer, so cant calm you down, can i?

white english status?

>>2407983
P R O S C R I B E D

>>2407890
>I'm not going to recognize the self-determination of the Palestinian people as long as daddy Israel gives me what I want
This fucking faggot, man

>>2407802
Are there no liberals in those three races?

>>2407894
There is easily more than 200 people who skipped questions related to the empathy set. Open the raw data in excel and cntrl f "-1, -4, -7" individually in the empathy columns and count up the insane amount of nonreplies. The survey is trash.
>You don't know what fake means
Point to me where in the raw data someone tabulated variables for "median racial in bias". You can't because it doesn't exist. 4chan took this survey and made up bullshit to throw on top of it.

>>2407983
Tesco finest spaghetti carbonara.

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>>2407890
Comrade Corbyn's response.

>>2408061
>There is easily more than 200 people who skipped questions
yes, as it is stipulated on the study homepage:
>The ANES 2018 Pilot Study Auxiliary Unmatched Data File provides data from an additional 277 unweighted respondents for use in methodological analysis
https://electionstudies.org/data-center/2018-pilot-study/
>Point to me where in the raw data someone tabulated variables for "median racial in bias"
in the guidebook, the tabulations dont include that particular variable, but interpretation can be made from results relating to "group empathy" ("emp_"). a more precise terminology for the graph would then read "levels of empathy for one's own race" with white leftists having the the lowest results. if we extrapolate this to conversely mean "highest empathy for other races" then this would correlate - obviously.

>>2408097
There's at least 400 bro open the fucking raw data like I told you to you moron holy fucking shit. I know I'm right because you haven't even opened the RAW DATA.

>>2408104
and if only those 400 results were complete, we would find out that white leftists are as tribal as white conservatives? its funny that you criticise the survey but cant criticise the results, since they are so intuitive.

>>2408110
>its funny that you criticise the survey but cant criticise the results
nta but if you criticise the survey you are implicitly criticising the results…

>>2408130
the results are imperfect but generally correct - that is the height of criticism you can reasonably assume. thats why everything around it is nitpicking technicalities.

>>2408110
> cant criticise the results, since they are so intuitive.
here we go. every time with you retards. this is why nobody takes you seriously or wants to entertain your shit.

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>>2408133
>the results are imperfect but generally correct
Literal cognitive dissonance.

>>2408110
I'm willing to go over every single finished survey response in the raw data to BTFO your bullshit but I don't have time right now due to work and family stuff. If you don't want to look at the raw data fine I'll fucking rape you to death sometime this coming weekend because I know all /pol/ did was make a bar graph, slap some random numbers on it, and claim the study led to that graph. From the raw data alone I can already see like 80% of the replies are invalid because so many people skipped questions but I'll manually calculate every finished response when I have the time to prove to you that /pol/ made shit up. Also I note that you never addressed me pointing out that the survey was done online and people are incentivized to complete it fast for a gift card.
Onlien surveys are retarded because people can essily lie about their race online but I'll finish BTFO you later this week.

>Five survivors of Rotherham grooming gangs say they were also raped by police officers
Bet the right are not talking about that, are they?

600 000

>>2408306
The right in this country don't have much love for the police, and the police officer mentioned in that BBC article was a paki anyway…

>>2407890
September was around the time it was rumored Israel was looking to restart the war with Iran.

>>2408316
If Corbyn spoke against the porn ban it will hit a million.

>>2408331
it still puts a hole in the idea that the reason SYP covered it up is because they were "afraid of being seen to be racist" rather than because they were involved themselves and distracted from that by feeding the press the line that they wanted to hear. not one british newspaper gives a fuck about the victims, but rage-inducing headlines about how loony-left antiracism policies mean the police have to let rapists off? you and your editor will be eating good for a while…

>>2408242
>seething this badly because i said white leftists are the most tolerant people on earth
we are probably the most mentally ill too, which you are exemplifying.
>>2408142
if i did an experiment that somehow showed the earth was flat, it would still be wrong. if i did an experiment that failed to prove the earth was round, the hypothesis would still be correct. the copernican revolution shows us that the sun going around the earth and the earth going around the sun deals with the same data.
>>2408688
almost like its mere tribalism - brown guy in prison? time to protest! the white right do the same thing with their gang. thats why it doesnt matter if youre a nonce; you can still be a nazi. as someone else said, the conspiracy theorists wouldnt be fighting this hard to vindicate lucy letby if she wasnt white. of course, as a universalist, i would prefer if she got the death sentence as long as axel rudakubana was hanged as well.

comments on neema parvini's latest video 👀
who would have though communism is better than totalitarian liberalism?

>>2408713
i have no interest in letby for tribal reasons but keep an open mind because
a) even if she's guilty, some of the statistical evidence deployed at the trial was nonsense and there should be some fallout from that. it's not enough to get the right answer, if you used the wrong process you need to learn lessons
b) i have zero faith in the rule of law in this country or the capacity for its institutions to come to correct conclusions. cockup, conspiracy, or cockspiracy, it doesn't matter, there's no benefit of the doubt.
c) a lot of people online who're sort of 70% correct, 30% wrong on politics came down too fast, too hard on the americans who insisted on her innocence and it made me suspicious given their patchy track record for "going along with a british establishment witch hunt during the early phase where there are arguments on both sides"
(coincidentally, this was around the same time they were all performatively disavowing 'eyuplovely' on twitter, which i also found fascinating.)

What do we think about the spouse of Starmer's press secretary being involved in the Corbyn Party's founding?

>>2408722
well my concern wasnt with her innocence (which is entirely possible, considering the reported corruption of NHS senior officials), but the motive behind her defense, which is based in a white tribalism. same way black kids go missing every day yet a middle class white child like madeleine mccann has millions put into it (despite the parents being the obvious criminals in that case). all i really care about is equality under the law (rather than our "two tier" paradigm, which principally serves the rich, but also serves the rich's enemies against the poor, like the imported lumpen).

>>2408726
more detail please

>>2408717
Exact same people, placed into the GDR, would be like
>This is fucking lame that everyone has the same house, I’m going insane, I must counter this revolution

>>2408726
What do I think about Jeremy Corbyn's campaign manager for 2024 being involved in the Jeremy Corbyn party? Absolutely horrified mate.

>>2408735
James Schneider is the co-founder of momentum, among other things. Generally a close Corbyn ally. He's is also married to Sophie Nazemi, who is Downing Street Press Secretary (A position directly appointed by the PM!)
He's got a Wikipedia page, she doesn't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Schneider

>>2408756
Are you not inherently suspicious of the fact that everyone of with influence whatsoever in this country knows (and is usually directly related to) everyone else with influence?
(Also, got a source on him being the campaign manager? I'm not going to pretend he wasn't in close, but best I can find is his older role as "director of strategic communications")

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>>2408767
>Also, got a source on him being the campaign manager?
Corbyn's former speechwriter.

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the mail having a normal one today

>>2408847
Over time, you realise that there are only three kinds of former Soviet/Communist citizens that abjectly despise any kind of positive opinion on their former countries
>Those who are rich under capitalism
>Those who see the entire Soviet period just being another part of the centuries old conflict their nation has with Russia, who had briefly defeated and humiliated them by making them Communists
>Those who have a family mythos about wealth prior to Communism that was “stolen”, often accompanied by an assertion that the Nazis never stole from their great-grandmother’s farm
The second type is by far the most prevalent outside of Russia as it’s a good impetus for joining NATO, I think the third is slightly more common within Russia but seemingly still fairly common elsewhere.

Ultimately our perspective of how many people were thrilled to see the fall of the wall is warped by the reality all three types end up being simps for the west and thus more likely to speak English and engage with English speaking platforms.

>>2408847
Your missus is a treatlerite. Divorce is in order.

>>2408836
>terrorism
the terrorists of the french revolution actually performed a political act; contemporary terrorism is strictly anti-political. thats why it attracts the right. we see both islamists and nazis attack the innocent public rather than those in power, which tells you all you need to know.
>ethnic enclaves
well, you either have integration or segregation.
if people think forcing integration is racist, then you have segregation de facto, which increases tribalism.

>>2408883
Oh, also there is a fourth type that never lived in the USSR because left when they were young and their parents probably did have some kind of more thoughtful disagreement with Communism (or just wanted more money for being higher educated), so they’ve been raised on a combination of their parents’ retroactive seething and generic western propaganda.

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600.000 have signed up… for the "your party" newsletter. Lets hope many of those numbers become paid members.

Every time i watch a segment on knife crime that contains actually kids mixed up in it they always say the same thing, the streets are dangerous and there is nothing else for us, no youth spaces anymore and no future. It's so distressing. I hate this cuntry.

>>2408944
>we're bored so we have to kill each other with machetes
bollocks.

They get such great guests it's kind of infuriating.

just had a dr. pepper for the first time in yonks
it was quite nice

>>2408713
>if i did an experiment that somehow showed the earth was flat, it would still be wrong. if i did an experiment that failed to prove the earth was round, the hypothesis would still be correct.
If your mum had wheels, she would be a truck. This doesn't mean much.

Also like scientific revolution don't usually come with experiments showing certain things, but with predicting future phenomena in a way previous theories can't or won't with a higher accuracy.

BBC news tonight is the worst pro-Israel propaganda slop I've ever witnessed, implying that recognising Palestine means you are Hamas and want British girls murdered in Gazan tunnels

>>2409209
Whenever they are interviewing British Jews on any matter it should be mandated by law to have a large Israeli flag clearly visible on the screen.

>>2409106
>city of london
the city of london is a sovereign territory akin to the district of columbia or vatican city, which is not subject to the british state. in "children of men", this is where the rich fence themselves off from social ruin, since they also have a private police force that can kill any intruder. this is indeed separate from the county of greater london, which includes 32 boroughs and the city of london (33 in total - interesting number that, innit? 🤔). this larger area, extending to the whole UK is disposable material to the insulated ruling class who "just dont think about it" (well, even then we cant be too sure).
https://www.thecityofldn.com/our-story/
<In fact, the City of London has its own government (the oldest in the country with origins pre-dating Parliament), its own Lord Mayor, as well as an independent police force.
https://britainexplained.com/what-is-the-city-of-london/
<The City of London still has its own mayor, called the Lord Mayor of London (not the same as the Mayor of London). The Lord Mayor is the head of the City of London Corporation, selected from elected councillors called Aldermen. The Lord Mayor’s official residence is the Mansion House. It even has its own police service, the City of London Police (the police service for the rest of London is known as the Metropolitan Police, or Met Police).

Marjorie Taylor Greene has stated that what's happening to the Palestinians is a genocide
We have US Republicans calling a genocide before the fucking Labour Party, Starmer or Lammy will say it

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>>2409489
well it was marjorie taylor green who wanted to divest israel's military of $500M, which AOC opposed. we live in an upside down world.
>AOC Faces Death Threats, Vandalism After Voting Against Amendment to Cut Israel Iron Dome Funding
https://time.com/7304608/aoc-death-threats-vandalism-israel-gaza/

so how long do we have to bite our tongue for when it comes to tackling religious extremism

i would describe myself as very left wing but i really truly dislike this idea that we have to be quiet when it comes to christian/muslim/jewish extremism when it comes to their views on women/gays/incest/blatant consumerism and straight up slavery when it comes to places like dubai etc because we have to respect and tolerate every religion and opinion

like israels getting pushback (rightfully) at the minute for being a fucking genocidal ethnostate but in exchange it feels like you cant say ANYTHING about christianity compared to a few years ago because all of the new zoomers/gen alphas of the world have decided its their new religion they want to LARP as

also i genuinely feel like a lot of the muslims in this country also post the most insane fundamentalist shit that you wouldnt even see the most extreme taliban/isis member express, i remember seeing a video a month or two ago of some muslim guy that wouldnt allow his wife to speak in his videos so she had to communicate through a whiteboard and it had like a TON of positive supportive comments from other muslims in the UK

>>2409534
what are some examples of christian extremism?

Just remembered that time in 2013 when the press hounded a random woman to her death for a trivial story and were specifically blamed by the coroner but nobody suffered any consequences whatsoever
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Lucy_Meadows

Such is life (and death) in Britain

>>2409106
my biggest issue with gary stevenson is that he has slogans, but has never demonstrated an empirical framework for his policies, since he gives no details as to their potential implementation. for example, what level of wealth constitutes its eligibility for taxation? at what rate is this wealth taxed? does "tax wealth, not work" mean a change in policy toward income tax? and so on. he seems to be selling something rather than building it. as he put it in his return video, he is looking to be a political consultant like he was for banks - so he really just wants a job.

the mere populism of "tax the rich" is also not just absurdly unprofound; it misses the fact that its the rich who already pay the most into the system by proportion (such that london's tax revenue by itself is greater than wales and scotland combined). also, why not tackle inequality by limiting property ownership? why not distribute empty houses to people who can pay a reduced mortgage on them? the real inequality is not monetary; its in equity. this is why you cannot tax your way out of the issue - you have to redistribute appreciable assets, like landed property, rather than depreciating assets, like money. even thatcher understood this when she allowed council homes to be bought by tenants. ownership is necessary.

>>2409209
I can't think of a single good reason to not recognise Gaza as an independent state. How long have they been living there for?

>>2409489
That's cause she wants that money funelled into ICE death camps to kill homeland muslims.

>>2410144
>But the rich already pay more tax than anyone else
That doesn’t prove that they pay enough, the country is experiencing increasing numbers of billionaires and simultaneously a widening gap between Britain’s average salary and the income of Britain’s richest. If you have a class that is hoovering up all the liquidity in the economy and locking it away in a foreign bank account, then it’s already obvious that the total tax they pay is more than people who are intentionally kept on low salaries, but it also suggests that the tax the wealthy do pay is still a pittance compared to what they’ve been able to strip mine out of the economy and out of people’s pockets

>>2410141
This has sent me down a rabbit hole of early 2010s UK media transphobia and it's fascinating. Pretty much all the same names are checked even though this is before the spike in pro-trans activism. I half think the reason TERF island took off at all is that our ruling class seethed infinitely at being corrected on twitter in 2013 and self radicalised glinner style rather than backing down.

>>2410187
I assume TERFism just absorbed all the homophobia that rightly got legal protections against, that’s why there’s a huge focus on public toilets, because while laws are relatively easy to pass that says
>no two men kissing in public was not provoking anyone, thinking it was a provocation and acting on that is a hate crime, mind your own business next time
given the hysteria that some men might spend their entire lives “pretending” to be a woman just to get access to the women’s bathroom is less easy, lawfully, to reason is not the business of anyone else.

But of course when you say that’s something that cis women ought to have an opinion on, then we’re back to square one where men kissing in public ought to be banned because it’s of some heterosexual’s opinion it’s bad/uncomfortable/provoking/harming the youth


Why this is getting so much support by the highest echelons of our society? Simply division is good for them, they’re also cunts who generally abhor the “scum” for not having to live by the same formalities they did in their toff upbringing

>>2410180
there are reportedly 156 billionaires in the UK. even if we taxed them a billion each, thst would only be reaching around 15% of last years fiscal budget (£1.1 trillion), so its also a farce to try and extract from a minority. its the broadly wealthy (millionaires) which provide the aggregate funds. the only way to actually appreciate the value of people in the country is by giving them land, not doling out money from the top. gary also seems to have no prescription for this fiscal surplus. okay, we have more money - now what? his analysis seems vapid.

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we need to bring back chairman may

>>2410209
>give them land
And do what with it?

>>2410214
build wealth from its foundation, rather than be deprived by rents.

>>2410217
petite bourgeois kulak detected
all land should be nationalized and everyone forced into collective farms

>>2410219
good larp

>>2410217
>everyone becomes a farmer
Okay great

>>2410217
>get land
>immediatly sell it to american and chinese firms
<problem ?

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UK Spotify Users Now Have to Verify Age to Access Certain Content Due to Online Safety Act

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>>2410239
holding land in this context means owning somewhere to live, rather than being a subject of speculation. everyone farming would be retarded since we already have farms for that.
>>2410240
thats why i suggest a reduction of mortgage payments rather than giving things away for free, since you still need the time-frame to grant investment in a property. i would also say that a new regulation could be that you can only sell residential property to fellow citizens, so that anyone who actually wanted to own a house in the UK has to live in the UK.
>>2410245
>anti-immigration protests
no mention of pensioners being classified as terrorists for opposing genocide? even the US is making steps into criminalising anti-israeli sentiment.

>>2410242
Aha get fucked, Internet Enclosure 1.0

>>2410245
Even though I probably agree with this guy this post makes it seem like he only cares that his vidya is getting banned.

>>2410287
Probably because he does. Political matters affect me only insofar as there are black people in my video games.

>>2410254
If everyone owns somewhere to live, what happens when you want to move? Do you have to do a direct swap with someone? What happens with empty houses once everyone has a house?

>>2410292
>If everyone owns somewhere to live, what happens when you want to move?
you check on property markets, no? every house either rented or sold is still owned by someone else.
>What happens with empty houses once everyone has a house?
well, ideally, they would be converted into council housing. not everyone would own a house, since as i said, you need mortgages to secure an investment. many would still be tenants of the state in council homes. not everyone could or should own property.

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Britain gefallen ist

People can own more than one home. The socialist ideal is for everyone to have at least 3 homes like in China. However this can only start to be implemented once everyone has at least 1 guaranteed home and there's going to be a decade long lag in housing construction because the neoliberals completely shut down basically every public housing project in the West so we'll need time to reach that goal.

>>2410429
It's what he would have wanted

>>2407197
Force everyone to be atheistic.

>>2407197
Down with privatization
Up with social taxation
Up with stoning the gays

>>2407197
Secularism as a political value should be promoted.

every time billy moore goes out to meet the scum, its always white smackheads who present themselves as the absolute dreggs. the majority of the far right in this country is similarly a composite of this type of wrongun. thats what gives me the most refrain when they talk about "the white working class" - these lot have never worked a day in their life, and certainly have no right to tell others how to live.

but i like to be fair and say that theres plenty of wronguns who come in by the boats as well - but the scapegoating of the illegal immigrant is completely unacceptable, when we have this sort of catastrophe filling our streets. i dont feel sympathy, i feel the same spite as i would about any sort of filth. this is not how you facilitate a civilisation.

even though britain is majority white, this shite shows that we are a problem race to the rest in some capacity - we have a disproportionate tendency to be this way - but in these terms, we can begin to talk about class as a more proper diagnosis. i live in the norf so i see the white lumpen and the white dickheads more often. that said, ive seen black violence, but never such subhumanity to this extent. at least violence can be virtuous - being a vagrant has never afforded itself to usefulness. whites are uniquely subhuman, i find. just my thoughts pondering this video and others like it.

>>2410869
Stop fetishizing the identities of workers, least of all on the basis of race.

These videos are just lurid clickbait portrayals of the gratituties of working class life.
If you want something to obsess over, focus on the consumers of this content as these videos are just some pathetic manner of preening for the aspirant upwardly mobile prole.

>>2410861
i remember around 2012 when the first black kid came to my secondary school (i live in liverpool) from nigeria. i became friends with him and there was no racial issue at all (not out of any raceblindness, just from youthful a-politicisation). the girls wanted to touch his hair and all that malarkey but there was no dehumanisation at all - it was a sign of genuine curiosity in a foreigner. i even saw this the other week where some black french kids were in maccies and all the white kids wanted to know more about them.

i do think multiculturalism works when its balanced - in the souf, communities become ghettos, so are more self-sufficient and enclosed, adding to tribalism. i do think that we need more openness to each other, but that then means breaking apart clan ties - like the enlightenment did in the west. im not utopian and think we can all hold hands in a field, but i do think a pluralist society is possible and valuable to humanity.

i think genetically speaking, white people do seem more adaptive to cultural/environmental change, which is why we get in trouble for cultural appropriation as a form of colonial consciousness, where we commodify and de-sacralise things. but this is also our liberal ethos in general, where the hope is that we can involve others in alienating themselves as being a part of a "global" community.

>>2410881
>working class
these people are very far from working class, thats my point. they are beggars who feel entitled to grand opinions.

>>2410886
<Dregs: the remnants of a liquid left in a container, together with any sediment.

They are also human beings who have been stripped and reconstituted as individuals in a social economic system which views their existence as wholly superfluous. If you were to give these people the security of long term shelter and the appropriate help they would work wonders for others just like them.

>>2410892
>if you gave these people shelter
they honestly prefer the streets mate. you cant train wild animals.
>appropriate help
appropriateness is relative here. in all reality, these people need to be forcefully rehabilitated - they will hate it while its happening but might be grateful in the future once theyre clean. its a really bad situation.

>>2410899
>you cant train wild animals
As your parents doubtless found out.

They have no choice; the are drained of any inner sense of the capacity to determine meaning in their lives from the pressures of the world, and hence have lost any sense of self-worth or existential being, which I might add those they must beg to for pennies are privileged to be gifted with by sheer happenstance.

The idea that they're animals is exactly the ideological invective of the video; the dehuminisation and personification of the inner anxities of the viewer through portraying the contradictory and nightmareish reality such people have to live with for nothing more than profit.

It generally makes me wonder how you found this site in the first place.

>>2410905
your flowery sentiments are asinine
but in any case, how would you solve the smackhead question? just give them a roof over their head and suddenly the decades of abuse reverses itself?

>>2410861
>From LGBT to Blacks to Muslims, the moment they are able to seize their own power, all pretenses of "socialism" are dropped and they become Spicy Establishment.
What examples do you have of these groups being socialist and then doing backstabbing - especially LGBT, where I can't imagine any country in which they have received majority political power?

>>2410429
>rub the Right's face in diversity

>>2410915
Drug addiction forces individuals to confront complex or challenging behaviour; you have no choice in this when the distribution of drugs not only proliferates but thrives.

The choice is whether to address the issue as a social ill or a social wrong: in your own sorry world view, you can either rehibilitate them or let them beg for scraps on the streets.

Which would you rather?

>>2410915
Also, they aren't flowery sentiments. I'm stating the reality of the real social process that occurs.

These individuals pass through a stage in which they experience not only their own symbolic but physical destitution, in which they are forced to live through a primary contradiction of being literally disinherited from their own subjectivity, as they lack the means to realise their individuality within capitalist society.

Drug addiction and homelessness then collide in shaping an individual into what you've politely termed an animal, in which they are forced to parade their existence in the open air zoo of bourgeois society. Speculising their existence, making videos of them deriding them for circumstances well and truly outside of their control - in which they are confronting conditions of chemical and biological dependencies at the same time as abyssal poverty - is nothing more typical of the vulture like and predatory behaviour British society instills in its workers.

Your consumption of that content is a direct perpetuation of the symbolic and material injustice not just that those 'animals' experience, but of the general disparity between classes. The irony is that you're just like every other prole who watches content similar to that - a pig in shit.

Can someone here give me the Tl;Dr about what's going on with the internet on Bong Island?

>>2411195
You have to submit a video selfie or photo ID now to access any over 18 shit.

>>2411195
A legal statute has come into effect demanding that access of age restricted content be thrown behind more stringent age verification measures, and that websites that fail to comply either face fines - if based within the UK - or risk being blocked all together if they are based outside of the UK and do not comply with the law.

In order to pass most of these age verification checks, you have to use a form of ID. Everybody can clearly see it as a passive form of state surveillance, but there's no substantial opposition to the measures, and the government has realised that in order to enforce the law they need to ban - or equally specialise - access to VPNs to prevent work arounds. The general fear is that the already tenuous legal fiction of free speech with these companies then dies as the social media companies are responsible not just for banning violent or illegal content, but enforcing a code of conduct which says that offensive material must be taken down and reported to the authorities, and that again any failure to comply risks being fined.

There's a backlash among the right as they hold the principle of free speech absolute - only insofar as it aids them - because without the propagation of more extreme views they lose their voter base.

What's clearly visible is that there is now a profit structure to free speech on the basis of its implementation as a legal fiction for these sites, which are responsive to other statutes and laws concerning hate speech. The use of age ID subsequently shifts from passive surveillance to implicit political coercion, in which the expression of viewpoints can only be made within a window of legal acceptability determined by the government of the day within Parliament.

This will be hailed as a corner stone in social responsibility for Britain as a liberal democracy, the grand irony being that in celebrating their own stupidity they affirm the general notion that in order for a capitalist democracy to function, it must engage in an explicit repression of its own political consensus.

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>>2411888
>Then you have the highest level gay in the country, and it's Wes Streeting.
>Muslims, they do this shit every fucking time. Literally play the uwu poor minority group then literally grab power in a council and start instituting anti-progressive measures and double down on Muslim ingroup bullshit while telling the left to fuck itself.
What about Sir Keir's patron, Lord Ali? He's both gay and Muslim.

>>2411126
i already said that we must rehabilitate them and they should have no choice in the matter. cant stand people who entirely lack reading comprehension.
>>2411151
>they are forced to live through a primary contradiction of being literally disinherited from their own subjectivity
yes; their spirit has died yet their body still lives.
>Your consumption of that content is a direct perpetuation of the symbolic and material injustice
so its my fault theyre smackheads then? 🤣 grow up, lad.
>provides no solutions
thanks for another poem, but im looking for solutions. notice how i want them to get better, while you want to objectify them as a political battering ram?

jeremy corbyn thinks that if you imagine that current asylum seeking policies and their consequences have caused any issues in society, then you are a far-right liar who is on the side of the establishment. they must entirely be a net benefit, then, despite many often framing the housing of asylum seekers as a "burden" we are forced to share.

>>2411908
>Someone once said people are homeless because they want to be and I believed them
Amazing insight comrade

>>2411934
>That is the lifestyle they enjoy
It's the lifestyle they've been conditioned into you fucking cretin.

>>2411934
Also food banks are limited to 3 usages over the span of around 6 months.

Stop peddling absolute horseshit because you have an axe to grind.

>>2411934
Laughing at the idea that they're recieving 2 grand as well. Most I ever got whilst homeless was 400 in UC, 80 of which went to a council charge for temporary accomodation. Most I've ever heard of someone getting is around 1200 due to PIP, UC, and ESA.

Again, if you can't stomach the idea that homelessness, drugs, and poverty twist people into crude mockeries of your own little wicker man individualism then I don't know what to tell you other than the fact that you aren't prepared for the realities of life.

I have more respect for some H addict who's learned how to game the system, and with just the right words and support can be turned from a life of drugs and homelessness into something better, than some jumped up prole who thinks they're part of the middle class because they earn over 50000 and believe recycling and polyamory are revolutionary activities. Both are parasites, it is just the latter does not have the courage to acknowledge their own condition of being one.

>>2411947
>when you realize I'm 100% spitting fact.
You aren't mate, you aren't.

>>2411947
>Just ACCEPT that fucking shitty fucking waste of space people out there exist.
i understand what youre saying, but most wont.

>>2411901
He's right you know.

Has Corbyn supported anything more than a 2 state solution? i can only find his statement in 2018
he makes nice statements about a free independent palestine and ending the occupation, but these things can be interpreted in the framework of a 2 state (non-solution)

>>2411952
>some people are just naturally sociopath human predators
I can accept this, I just see no distinction between those who work in finance and those who don't other than that the former possess the material means to rise above the deprivations of their own class through the form of work incidental to bourgeois society whereas the latter suffer because of a false ideological point blank refusal to assist them on the basis that they're somehow as culpable in their own self-exploitation as the idiots consuming poverty-porn content on youtube.

The only barrier of separation between them and you is that they've fallen into a sustained trap of abuse and have emerged through it, again, as a destitute subject shorn of their illusions regarding life in British society and see no need to alter their behaviour.

These are just your own class anxieties given form as prejudices against a particular social strata on the basis that they are, in some fashion, inhuman. You are as intertwined as they are in their own complicit behaviours.

And I'll side with an addict because the moment they choose to do so, they can be rehabilitated and supported through their issues in life. Some twat who goes around buying le creuset pots and pans and wants to be a millionaire has other aspirations.

>>2411920
>So much of the left tie "anti-immigration" to racism
But it's true though. You can't sugar coat it.

>>2411920
yeah it is racist, genuinely, it always has been and always will be

>>2411901
he's right ofc, the true enemy is the bourgeoisie. but i don't think there's anything wrong with acknowledging that a large portion of asylum seekers are economic migrants and opportunists.

>>2412022
well you are a far-right racist in jeremy's view, then.
either all asylum seekers are innocent and helpless victims of war, or you are just a hateful fascist spreading lies to protect the powetful. those are the terms jezza has set against the public.

>>2411888
>UK, LGBT became largely entrenched in the Tories, it was literally Tories that passed most gay rights here.
this isn't remotely true, why talk when you've got no idea what you're talking about?
LEGALITY - homosexuality was decriminalized by Labour in 1967
EQUAL AGE OF CONSENT - passed by Labour in 2001
CIVIL PARTNERSHIP - created by Labour in 2005
SAME SEX MARRIAGE - legalized by Tories in 2014
ADOPTION - legalized by Labour in 2005
MILITARY SERVICE - legalized by Labour in 2000
ANTI-DISCRIMINATION LAW - various legislation, but mostly Labour via the criminal justice act 2008 and the Equality Act 2010.
total: 6 for Labour, 1 for the Tories. (And that's 7 for Labour, 0 for the Tories if you give the Tories -1 for passing Section 28 and Labour 1 for repealing it.)

And that's with Labour as a socially progressive party basically being a myth, with Blairites mostly being a gaggle of reactionary freaks.

>>2411920
You had it pointed out to you before that pretty much all of the successful Albanian asylum seekers are women who were trafficked here by the mafia.

Moreover, anti-immigration politics is mostly racist bollocks driven by the press: Look at Japan for the world's most obvious test-case. There's been a rapid growth in people believing that migrants are taking jobs and services away from natives (and that immigration levels are far too high) in a country which is 98% ethnically Japanese, which approves about 20-40 asylum applications per year, and where the population of every single prefecture is shrinking

>>2412032
>either all asylum seekers are innocent and helpless victims of war, or you are just a hateful fascist spreading lies to protect the powerful

That's a strawman. And the main argument for anti immigration by those who are supporting reform is the immigrants are Muslim. I had a polite discussion with reform supporting British family members at a family birthday party. And the main argument was that immigration was out of control, and "Muslims are taking over neighborhoods." That "Britain is a Christian country", and that "the Quran says Muslims will takeover the whole world", and that's why they are "coming to Britain."

To be honest, I honestly don't know how the collective left can address this worldview effectively. I was actually thinking of bringing up the economic migrant view as a materialist counter to the ethnic Christian vs Muslim viewpoint. The only viewpoint we agreed on was Starmer was terrible.

>>2412061
>That's a strawman.
no it isnt. that is corbyn's entire position.
>reform voters are morons
yes, we already knew that.

>>2412057
have migrants ever cause problems in society?

>>2412061
the system requires immigration, regardless of what farage, reform, or whatever right-wing grifter says they'll do in power. look at italy when melino came into power and she was told immediately by italian business leaders that 300,000 workers had to come in, or she would be out of a job. they'll probably say trump, but its the same thing. he betrayed them on h1b visas, and the agricultural businesses that need cheap labour are exempt from the crack downs. immigration is part of capitalism, its how the sausage is made.

>>2412069
almost as if we should have a different type of system that isnt dependent international capital and labour?

>>2412064
>reform voters are morons, yes, we already knew that.
The point is the massive anti immigration sentiment in Britain is a far right insurgency.

>>2412069
>the system requires immigration regardless of what farage, reform, or whatever right-wing grifter says
That was my main argument.

>>2412069
Yep
The West's main bugbear issue is immigration but for the Third World its economic independence
But much like how you can't get rid of immigration due to how vital it is for regular capitalism, the third world can't just decide to prioritize local market and ban boomers from the US buying up land since we're all in a globalized economy rn

The people will keep voting populist politicians promising to end this. Then the populist will either redirect into some cultural issues shit or just straight up not do anything. Repeat ad nauseam. How can people still fall for this?

asylum seekers are basically a side issue, they're a drop in the ocean against regular migration. the primary reason immigration numbers skyrocketed is >>2406764

>>2412061
you'd ultimately address it by shutting down every existing newspaper and banning all their columnists from public life. if you have the level of control over the media ecosystem that our press currently enjoy (and abuse) you can make anything happen.

>>2412075
>you'd ultimately address it by shutting down every existing newspaper and banning all their columnists from public life. if you have the level of control over the media ecosystem that our press currently enjoy (and abuse) you can make anything happen.

This is a solution only if you have power to do it. I would like nothing more to end capitalist owned, and funded media.

>>2412072
not really. people have generally been anti-immigration since 1997. this isnt a new thing, its just coming to a head because of unprecedented numbers, institutional incompetency and two-tier justice. reform voters and the like have difficulty articulating their opposition since they react more reflexively than intellectually, but to me the opposition is largely legitimate - it just has the wrong solutions. as the other anon said, global capitalism requires global labour - if we instead had national industry and markets, we wouldnt require selling our country out. the right-wing contradiction is that it wants things to stay the same, but global capital forces things to change. if they were meaningfully against the regime of profit, they would have a political program, instead of just glorified NIMBYism. even drumpf is planning to give amnesty to undocumented workers in the US after sending his brownshirts to deport construction workers and college students. its contradictory, as i say, but not unfounded. the theocratic arguments are obviously bollocks for one, since the anglican church itself is basically destitute.
>>2412075
asylum seeking rates are currently at 100k a year, which is around 30%< of net migration figures.

>>2412077
The solution is an indepndent media source controlled by a revolutionary body which can issue a party line outside of the arena of bourgeois media.

Corbyn, and likewise his adherents, realise they can be given no real frame within the British press to state their political policies as any move they make retrenches this xenophobic current by simple cause of affect. But inevitably his party will suck up like a flame the remaining oxygen and support for socialist policies, and channel them once again into electoralism on the hopeless basis that through mere engagement with the bourgeois democratic institutions change can be achieved through Parliament itself.

At various points his political supporters have realised they needed a movement in and of itself in order to sustain their wider goals, but they were never able to achieve this. They will never be able to counter the iron grip of the reactionary British press, so to his dying breath Corbyn will continue to wage a war of position on affirming the 'decency' and legal constitutional basis for the human rights of asylum seekers. His political project is a stillborn venture - social democracy is dead - and every PR move they make affirming their pro-immigrant policies is just another spasm coursing through its limp and lifeless body.

>>2407557

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imagine being bri*ish

>>2412107
the issue is that the act doesnt just censor porn, but also political content. its a trojan horse.

>>2412108
Who tf said its about porn
Look at the statistics. A majority support it, but majority also believe that its not effective at stopping people from looking at porn. This means that the people who do support it support because they know it will be used for political measures

>>2412103
>The richest country on the planet
>Most of its cities look like this
This continues to break me inside

>>2412121
Meanwhile the second richest country's cities are cement jungles covered in RGB lights.

>>2412114
well, any seed saved is a good thing.

>>2411920
What you said is true but it's a complicated situation because 90% of anti-immigrant sentiment is tied to lower-class immigrants when the most problematic of the bunch are the elites and middle class legal immigrants, who are the reason their home countries are a shithole because they're decadent subhumans.
For all problems i have with mass immigrations i would still prefer 1 million poor Bengladeshi over 10 upper class brown strivers who's sole purpose is to steal the copper wire from wathever western country they leeches off. The left got pretty redpilled on zionists since Oct 7 but pretty much every succesful brown striver in the west is 20 years away from making their own version of it.

I mean we have even witnessed this with the crazy anti-slav rethoric during Brexit talking about Poles/Romanians/Balkan. Bogdan the plumber being declared piece of shit scab stealing the Britton's salary while all the parasitic eastern-european elites scam and enshittify everything beyond their secured residence in London or South of France.

>>2412127
that's SOCIALIST cement jungles covered in SOCIALIST rgb lights you disingenuous kulak

>>2412138
concrete with chinese characteristics

>>2412135
if it's part of an economic necessity to have immigration, why not be incredibly selective? Not like the world is short of the buggers is it?

It doesn't make sense.

>>2412143
Sir, this is /leftybritpol/, what you mean to say is cement.

Reeves won't concede to a push from some Labour MPs for a wealth tax demand.

Naturally, comrade Abbott is on the case

>>2412287
Laudable for some Labour MPs, since it will drive into the public consciousness Corbyn's party alternative to Labour.

Considering Abbott's connections with Corbyn, I wouldn't be surprised if she's literally just turned into a professional wrecker. Doubly so considering the tweet after that was bulldozing Wes Streeting for 'holding the country to ransom'.

Wonder if Starmer will survive the full five year term.

GB news is now the most watched TV channel in the UK
We have been yankified, the Fox news-ification of the population is proving successful
We are fucking COOKED

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>>2412291
Would kill to see their internal figures for their viewer demographics.

This country is on a fucking sleigh ride to hell.

>>2412291
>GB news is now the most watched TV channel in the UK
Wonder how much is down to Youtube aggressively pushing it and downgrading anything else like AJ, banning RT, etc. as well as the state giving them a boost by tacitly not setting OFCOM on Youtube or GBNews despite its countless breaches.

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>>2412315
https://www.gbnews.com/

Macabre satire or tragedial farce waiting to unfold? You decide.

>>2412291
They are better than BBC zogcast news

>>2412400
>>2407153
Why do you post like this? You're on a leftist discussion forum, we're not you're friends.

>>2412407
I don't have friends, I have mates. And you're one of them. Now what am I putting on this order, mate?

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Certified Rug Merchant moment.

>>2412522
Marx would fucking cringe at people supporting Ukraine, a Nazi ridden shithole that is run by a bourgeois looking to trade up on its own property with access to the EU trading market by expending its now redundant proletariat on being cannon fodder for NATO the only organisation to unite the colonialist powers after heeding Lenin’s analysis on imperialism

>>2412591
What has that got to do with the meme.

>>2412593
It’s a topical meme

>>2412522
First pic on top right is communist party of great britain (marxist-leninist) (CPGB-ML), the one below is the communist party of turkey (TKP)

Working overtime are we Langley?

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CPB put out a statement. Interested in your thoughts.

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>>2412601
>Working overtime are we Langley?
<Post something mildly critical of Putin and your lot show up
Like a moth to a flame.

>>2412619
>help! I’m being raided!

>>2412617
>>2412618
>Interested in your thoughts.
Hey Cuck Party, you're succdems, not communists. Kill yourselves.

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Explain yourselves

>>2412646
we live in a (class) society

>>2412646
There's not been a time in my entire employment history that I haven't been eligible for a Costco membership. It's hardly Davos.

>>2412617
>>2412618
So the "Communist Party" is now openly saying the support Democratic Socialism. Given they support electoralism (Reform) and wage labour it was only a matter of time. They are the leftmost wing of Capital.
Also manage to fit in a few paragraphs whining and seething about the non-existent "Ultra-Left" and other non-ML Marxist parties.
CPB are a joke and their youth wing is dead due to their refusal to budge on their pro-culture war, anti-trans stance.

>>2412668
They're so retarded they think ultras do entryism when they're the most secluded sects to ever exist.

>>2412291
That's almost certainly not true. If they're counting auto-play videos on social media, then yeah. Otherwise, no fucker is setting out to watch GB news.

>>2412646
>There's laws regulating what working class is
Fake

Amerilard here
How long until your guys have the revolution. Is it soon? Things seem worse over there than they are in the US. Will we be a fascist state in decline while you're rebuilding your nation with socialism?

>>2412668
>So the "Communist Party" is now openly saying the support Democratic Socialism.
>now
You're gonna shit when you read british road to socialism
>>2412672
They're not talking about leftcoms or whatever, anyone 'to the left' of them is definitionally an ultra, that includes ex-militant, tusc, swp, cpgb-ml, rs21, george galloway and really anyone who doubts socialism with chinese characteristics and the supreme wisdom of tailing the labour party forever.

Today's news: New Statesman sacked an economist for saying Corbyn was the lesser of two evils in 2019.
https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2025/07/delusions-on-left-and-labour-right.html
>Let me be more specific. In the summer of 2019 I was writing a regular monthly article for the online New Statesman. Within hours of publishing my latest piece, where I suggested Corbyn would do less harm as Prime Minister than Boris Johnson, they withdrew it. I was told I could continue writing for them only if I stuck to economics and did not mention to anyone what they had just done. I didn’t accept the latter condition, and have never been invited to write for them again. It meant I briefly felt I was doing the right thing and in reality the potential audience for my writing shrank.

It's not like he's a massive lefty, either. The conclusion of this very article is that the left need to stick with the miserable, abusive Labour party because there's no viable alternative! Still, it's useful to have people come out and reveal just how insanely corrupt 2019 was.

>>2412646
it's a marketing ploy to seem more 'exclusive'

>>2413318
>So many on the left fail to see this, in part because they find it hard to stop seeing neoliberalism as their main enemy.
Neoliberalism is the enemy. I hate this guy's defeatist attitude. Total weakness.

>>2413358
define "neoliberalism"

>>2413358
The key word is 'main'
I disagree with him on many things, but I think we're heading for something much worse than neoliberalism. There's a sort of nostalgic idea that if we onshore a few industries, we'll go back to the postwar consensus - why should that be the case? Why not have the future be social protection for corporations and constant crackdowns on disorganized, atomised workers, a sudden social-reactionary turn as we drop immigration* and try to pump up birth rates Ceaușescu style, plus unending war, war, war?
All the bad parts of neoliberalism with none of the good-to-tolerable parts.
* or "better" yet, keep high immigration to population/military max, but encourage even higher native birthrates to compensate for the dilution of our racial stock…

Of course, I hate the current Labour government enough - and believe it embodies so many of these trends anyway - that I wouldn't "vote for it to stop Reform", since all I'd really be doing is voting for Labour to implement this tilt instead.

>>2413389
The future is a techno-dystopia led by NRx dark elves in the highest echelons of society, think of an irl version of "the forever winter" if you know what that is. Eurasia and Europa both hate you, neoliberalism is dying, and what will replace is Fully Automated Neoreactionry Techno Feudalism.

>>2413393
(((NRx dark elves)))

>>2413393
you'd best start believin' in techno-dystopia led by NRx dark elves

>>2413397
"Believing" is a very weak word to describe a material happening currently taking place in the highest level of statecraft, all i'm saying is you should get ready for the Palantir backed security state if you're living in Europa

WSWS article on Corbyn's new party.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/07/27/ozvq-j27.html
Corbyn’s new left party—What it is and what it isn’t

>>2413453
>Keir Starmer, is an irredeemably right-wing, pro-business party of warmongers and defenders of genocide in Gaza.
why is it that they must refer to other people's problems as a moral compass?

Kier starmer is bringing in MILLIONS of migrants, this absolutely is not 'right wing'.

>>2413471
cant tell if this sarcastic or not
but labour is much harder on immigration than the tories; same way obama was "deporter in chief". these "left wing" parties are always to the right of their opposition.

>>2413474
there you go again, referring to something else as a justification.

>>2413471
do you realise there's more to being right wing than immigration, dipshit.

>>2413477
give me a list of 3 things

>uhm well ackshually the last right wing PM was a half jew who brought in millions of immigrants so you're wrong

>>2413478
defence of economic inequality
defence of hierarchy
defence of 'traditional values' and reactionary social views (see the anti-trans bullshit)

>>2413481
you can still be a right wing 'half jew', schizo

>>2413478
nta:
- israel (imperial hegemony)
- bigotry (transphobia, racism et al)
- deregulation (class warfare against the poor)

>>2413483
so the tories ar right wing
and labour are right wing


let me guess, you think the bbc is also right wing?

Is anybody else applying for jobs at the moment?

Compared to 5 years ago it feels fucking impossible; I swear we're either in a recession or are about to enter one.

>>2413517
>right wing
We use the term 'bourgeois' around here

>>2413519
I'm well aware

in your communist regime, which class of people get to be the leaders and decision makers?

>>2413519
larper

>>2413482
>defence of economic inequality
wat the fuck does that even mean
>defence of hierarchy
sounds like the same thing
>defence of traditional values
yeah not changing people and culture by importing them from elsewhere

>>2413520
We went through this a couple of months ago, in which you were painfully and consistently humiliated for the duration of the thread and told to fuck off repeatedly.

Fuck off to the Daily Stormer or one of the other shitholes you belong in

>>2413517
is the BBC left wing?

>>2413520
and wouldn't this be an establishment of hierarchy?

>>2413524
yes absolutely. Weaponised leftism I would call it. They are absolutely fixated on diversity and inclusivity etc

>Left wing is diversity and inclusivity
Quality Marxist discussion, only on leftypol.org

>>2413518
tell you what you need to fix that, 1 million indian people. Nah fuck it, call it 2 million

>>2413526
do you have any examples?

>>2413527
I said it was weaponised leftism.

>>2413528
We'll send you back there with them, sound?

>>2413529
yeah
The lioness hyeteria and everything surrounding it. A precise example would be an article proclaiming why in womens footbal 'we need to talk about periods and injuries and racism' - no mention of pregnancies.

>>2413532
What difference would it make? A brown soup here, a brown soup there.

>>2413533
i dont seem to follow
discussing women's football seems to be neutral

>>2413534
Just a world where you're not here mate, that's all we want.

>>2413535
of course you don't follow, you're an idiot

They want women to do everything because it is stunning and brave, except - and I mean EXCEPT - have children and raise families, even though that should be regarded as powerful and wonderful.

>>2413536
india is in the world you retard

>>2413537
so your objection is in the very concept of women's football itself? women shouldnt be anything except housewives?

>The BBC
>The women
>The periods
>The gays
>The browns
>The jews

Why do you even come to these threads

>>2413539
We know

>>2413540
They're conflating the oblation between astro-turfed mass media equality campaigns, the subsequent culture of ideological repression based on principles of corporatised social logics, and the horshoe theory of the political spectrum.

There is nothing to these questions but navel gazing. They do this periodically and get mad when things are explained to them at a child's level before crying that we're all jewish pawns and fucking off to whatever shitholes they lurk.

>>2413540
that's a strawman isn't it

I didn't say that, I just said that being a mother should be regarded as a wonderful thing, not frames as some sort of failure or cop-out. This is how propaganda works.

>>2413541
I come here to enrich your lives with my diverse thoughts.

>>2413545
>oblation
que?

>>2413546
do the BBC put out anti-mother propaganda?

>>2413524
>is the BBC left wing?
If the BBC is "left wing", I would like it to broadcast support for Corbyn's new party, or one of the communist parties. I would also like the BBC to stop broadcasting any defence of Israel's campaign of genocide. I would also like the BBC to make programs that attacks British capitalism, and promote left wing economic policies They seem to be failing the left wing movement at the moment

>>2413559
they don't promote it

>>2413562
can you cite an example of the bbc defending israel's campaign of genocide?

>>2413522
It means not doing anything about our incredibly unequal economy obviously like more taxes on the rich, more welfare, etc

Defending hierarchy is similar to defending the rich in neoliberalism but not exactly the same, it also includes defending the monarchy and aristocracy in general and undemocratic and elitist institutions like the lords

As for 'changing people and culture', that isn't the only issue in the world, do you think the elites allow immigration to intentionally trigger you? Or do they do it for money? Obviously the latter

>>2413570
>do you think the elites allow immigration to intentionally trigger you
they do it out of spite, and to destroy identity and cohesion.

>>2413571
Are you 15

The Andrew Tate Elite Spite theory of migration in political economy

>>2413571
Spite at who?

>>2413574
He means whites, obviously

>>2413570
there is a hierarchy to life, there will always be. It's a natural order. I think you need to get your head around this. You might want revenge on the current hierarchy by overthrowing the system and putting in a new one, but I guarantee you a new hierarchy will precipitate and form in its wake.

The Julius Evola theory of revenge on the current hierarchy & Ride The Tiger

>>2413574
>spite at who
when you are gods chosen few, you simply cannot abide other's success

>>2413580
ItZ dA j00z!!!11

>ITs NoT dA JooZ

>yeah so basically, the jews hate the whites because the whites previously expelled the jews - did you know they've been expelled from over 109 countries - and forced them to found their own population, so they spend their time subverting white societies into accepting blacks to have sex with their women
<It's just like that one episode in X-Files where the aliens plan to outbreed and genocide humans

Not a Brit myself but following recent developments around Comrade Corbyn with huge interest. Any of you guys joining Zarah Sultana's Revolutionary ML Group (ML stands for mailing list)? If so, I urge you to shill for approval voting for internal elections with a single winner and to use sequential proportional approval voting for internal elections with multiple winners:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequential_proportional_approval_voting

(This is much much easier to count than the Single Transferable Vote. But like the STV it suffers a bit from a tactical dilemma that just is the cost of it being a proportional method without lists: To be proportional, supporting a candidate that wins a seat has to come at the cost of having less influence over who gets another seat. So people sometimes ask themselves: Why bother voting for this guy who will probably win without my help anyway when there this other guy that probably needs all my support? To reduce this allure, there could be a rule that winning the first seat comes with a special privilege.)

I just saw Sultana tweeting this: "I believe in open democratic leadership and one member one vote." And that has me a bit worried because "one vote" makes me think of single-mark ballots. It would be better to say "one member one ballot".

>>2413585
yeh so basically natanyahooo is building a concentration camp in Gaza and then waiting until the Pallestinians just voluntarily decide to leave.


This is called projection.

>>2413590
Christ you're embarassing. Ask someone in one of your Fascist adjacent servers to tag in and help you out.

>>2413591
notice how it calls me a fascist, but it doesn't call me a liar.

>>2413593
Why say the same word twice

>>2413594
hey bozo, If diversity is our strength, why isn't it theirs?

>>2413595
They don't have bright minds like yourself to ask them these questions, that's why

>>2413597
uhuh okay
and if they can't live with them, why should I be expected to?

>>2413598
uhuh okay
What makes you think I care?

>>2413598
Who the fuck is 'they'? Who the fuck is 'them'? Why can't Nazis ever just be honest about what they believe?

>>2413600
because if you've got an israeli passport and you're living in the West, you need to fuck off home son.

>>2413602
Wish you'd fuck off'n'all

>>2413601
israel
the jewish people/state

I fort you spastics fucked up pronouns, it used to be implicitly plural

>>2413606
*I forgot

And yet the mods do nothing

>>2413610
so… no you can't

>>2413609
this cunt thinks we need more censoring

And I thought the ebil heckin nazis were on the same side as israel now? Yous lot have had your brains melted


>>2413614
Many hard right people are, see Steven Yackety Sax

>>2413617
yawn
pull the other one mate

>>2413620
amazing rebuttal

>>2413563
the BBC dont promote wiping your arse after taking a shit either, but i doubt that means they oppose it


>>2413623
oh it's as easy as that is it?
someone stop the boats, this guy figured it out!

>>2413627
Trump likes money
Trump is involved with people who deal in money
do I need to elaborate?

>>2413621
he is clearly an asset.
His persona is that of a larger swilling yobo thug, yet not only can he point out israel on a map, he has been there and is mentally engaged with their history and plight.

This is suspicious as fuck.

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>me escaping leftybrit/pol mods after criticizing israel

>>2413627
ok, not saying I disagree, so what? Many of the most influential far right people are also pro Israel like Trump et al.

>>2413471
Meloni, Orban, Trump and Putin also do this. They are all right-wing.

>>2413805
maybe it's just not a very useful label

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>>2413471
>Kier starmer is bringing in MILLIONS of migrants, this absolutely is not 'right wing'.

>>2413929
everything in politics is downstream of national identity, otherwise what is the point?

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>>2413933
>national identity
what are you - english, welsh, scottish, northern irish, scouse, cornish, northumbrian, british, or just part of the UK? in terms of identifying each nation, we also have to look at our ethnic history; celtic, gaelic, roman, anglo-saxon, norman, dutch, danish, indian, chinese, anglo-american, ashkenazi, caribbean, african, etc.

where do your ancestors fit into the picture?

>>2414014
my heritage is mostly Yorkshire, there is even a town that I share my name with up there. Problem?

You seem to have side-stepped the point though, go back and read the post again.

>>2414014
and what on Earth is that crock of shit photo you've posted there? oh my god

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how come the britoid thread is just a constant racism competition

>>2414063
no problem at all. i myself am "black irish" and maybe some east asian. it was reported by my nan that her mother was called "chink" and "uyghur" consecutively in her lifetime. i live in liverpool, like so many other irishmen, and do appreciate the english ethnicity for its picturesque purity. if i had fully green eyes instead of hazel i would be a bit more prideful of my own phenotype, but alas. my grandfather's father was also reportedly greek, so i have a mediterranean quality in me as well, which dulls the features.
>sidestepped
could you explain what i missed, please?
>>2414066
the yookay. not a fan?

>>2414075
>the yookay. not a fan?
it's clearly not a real photo, if you believe otherwise, please post its provenance and background

>>2414075
>could you explain what i missed, please?
yep sure thing pal, when you vote, you don't have any jurisdiction over let's say France, because that is a different country. If all countries were the same and there were n borders, then there would be no different people.

>>2414081
if you need even more explanation I can provide that with pleasure

>>2414077
source of the photograph - london, 1938
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-52939694.amp

Let's say, as a reductio-ad-absurdum, that all of France suddenly uprooted and moved the the U.K, and vice-versa. What would happen?

All French people would suddenly become English, Welsh & Irish? All English would start ritualistically baking bread on a morning? What would happen?

>>2414101
no credit for the photographer?

>>2414081
right, so political power is effectual within a sovereign territory - however, nationhood is more than a merely legal concept, so i was adding to that notion. if you are an expat in spain, you are still british, even if you are not subject to the british state, no?

>>2414101
those cant be real britons, they have too many teeth

>>2414107
looks fake as fuck

>>2414106
yes and expats still vote for the goings on in their homeland, because that is their identity. Like I said, in politics everything is downstream of national identity, otherwise what is the point?

>>2414105
getty images, reportedly
>>2414112
right, so the question is, what is nationality? my perspective is that nations (from the latin "natio"; "peoples") comprises an ethnic character. britain is many nations wrapped up in one, so its unintelligible to pretend like we are just one people.

>>2414105
>>2414109
found the sauce:
https://www.gettyimages.dk/detail/news-photo/crowd-of-children-waving-union-jacks-as-queen-mary-wife-of-news-photo/609700805
>A crowd of children waving union jacks as Queen Mary, wife of King George V, visits Brixton in south London to open the new Lambeth Town Hall, 14th October 1938. (Photo by Reg Speller/Fox Photos/Hulton Archive/Getty Images)
reg speller is the photographer. BBC licensed the pic.

>>2414117
>we
don't even try to pretend bud


answer this:
>>2414102

>>2414124
>reg speller
jury is out on that one

>>2414131
so you agree that just by moving to another land does not make you from and of that land

>>2414135
fffuucking slimy yid bastard

>>2414126
>bud
who is "pretending" now, yankee?
>answer this
the english and french are different people, so they would not conform to each other's cultures just because they lived in their land. for someone to become "enculturated" or initiated, they have to be socialised.
>>2414130
the verdict is clear
>>2414135
yes

>>2414137
yes so they are different people
case closed

Why are rightoids so singularly obsessed with immigration ?

>>2414144
*sigh again*
because everything in politics is downstream of national identity, otherwise what is the point?

>>2414147
am I to wait to hear what the Chinese think of a second bin collection in a week?

>>2414148
you participate in society because you believe in it, that it belongs to you and you belong to it. You trust it. You pay into it. Yo dedicate your short life to it. Why would you do that otherwise?

>>2414147
>national identity
Deeply unserious answer, can you elaborate at all

>>2414141
yes, there are different people in the world
and different people in this land, as i listed;
>english, welsh, scottish, northern irish, scouse, cornish, northumbrian, britonic - celtic, gaelic, roman, anglo-saxon, norman, dutch, danish, indian, chinese, anglo-american, ashkenazi, caribbean, african, etc.
what we call the UK is a mix of all this

>>2414153
the reason you vote and pay taxes

>>2414151
You participate in society because if you don’t go to your job you won’t have money for food and shelter. Idealistic nonsense like this is a signifier of retardation.

>>2414144
its a distraction from the class war, i suppose

>>2414157
and israel is a mixture too r-right?

>>2414147
class?

>>2414160
society crumbles if there is no trust
society is not democratic if there is no trust
society is slavery if there is no trust

>>2414162
yes, but ashkenazis try and kick out the sephardic and ethiopian diaspora wherever they can

>>2414163
can you elaborate on that one word reply please? Plenty of parchment to scribble a note down

>>2414166
how much capital do you own?

>>2414164
from a lockean perspective, what we call "society" is in essence trust itself, since this constitutes the substance of the social contract. democracy only becomes formalised when the social contract is violated.

>>2414167
I am of the opinion that if you don't understand something, you cannot own it

>>2414169
Kill yourself

>>2414168
suck the shit out of my anus you fucking russian saboteur runt

>>2414176
oh lord
the absolute state of your word filters

>>2414176
now you see, in a healthy society, you would be exiled for disturbing the peace

>>2414179
as easy as that
and now you can go back yo your own views in peace. You did it reddit!

>>2414181
your behaviour is rather curious

>>2414176
Why are your kind so strange and offputting? There is scarcely a single modern far rightist who doesn't come off as a creepy nonce.

>>2414147
What about tribes?

Britain first are back in a big way. This was Manchester today.

>>2414253
Low lQ. It's why they spam frogs, soyjaks, cp, racial slurs, and gore. Actual people with developed brains don't behave like that.

Tomorrow's Observer (The Guardian's Sunday edition sister paper) is saying there's an immigration crisis… and that the solution is compulsory digital ID cards for all citizens.
That's right, you better carry proof of who you are at all time so the State can quickly identify and process you.
Tony Blair has been pushing for this constantly for 20+ years now.
Ever since he lost power his driving mission in life has been to force every Briton to carry a State ID card on them at all times.
I can see Starmer doing it but I don't think a single newspaper article will be the cause, I expect Blair will offer him something expensive in return and that will be what convinces him.

>>2414300
Grim grim GRIM
Bunch of drunken coked up football hooligans looking for a brown person to lynch, and it's exactly who Starmer is courting.

>>2414329
If I don't will they deport me to a civilized country?

>>2414305
Fascists are subhumans projecting what they are, and it’s always bleakly hilarious whenever they show their ass

>>2414147
>fascists can’t comprehend the idea of food and shelter and everything else that actually makes a society run while making everything about spooky bullshit

Like clockwork

>>2414164
Society also crumbles if you have no clean water or food. It’s almost like social trust comes from the fact that people have physical needs or something

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Ok I think I'm done now.

>>2414300
Interesting optical effect: The unusually high flag density makes the crowd appear bigger than it is.

>>2413614
moderation is about signal and noise, not censorship.

if a deranged nazi comes in here saying something interesting he should not be banned immediately - he can stay until he gets boring, but if a 'communist' bore comes in here spamming cliches, he should be banned at once. (for a short duration at first, escalating if he stays tedious.)

>>2414329
it's bleakly funny that no matter the problem, some blair institute wanker will come along to tell you ID cards are the solution. i'm sure they'd tell you ID cards were the solution to state intrusion into your private life, if you asked.

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>>2414422
Easily 1k there, antifas couldnt get a third of that. We're cooked.

>>2414662
well, as per my pedestrian sensibilities, it seemed as if race relations across the west were better 20 years ago, since they were not overtly politicised. what the radical left dont understand, which the more moderate left does, is that there should be separate spheres between civic and state institutions. when you politicise the public, you make it an object of state policy rather than a realm of free association.

when ethnicities have the capability to freely associate rather than to be guardians of political capital; when the bourgeois individual is able to flourish, then you overcome racial conflict, since you are able to see each other as equal beings. if the radical left insists that we are not individuals, but are irreducibly racial creatures who exhibit mutual otherness, then equality becomes a categorical impossibility, and you have segregation.

this is the current issue to me - i consider myself a universalist, while many are particularists. the idea that a racist and anti-racist are opposites is false, since they both buy into the same thing, just from different ends.

>>2414837
What pseudointellectual slop.

>>2414865
hegel > marx
sorry, not sorry 👌

Corbyn met with the leadership of the JCP today, likely as part as an effort trying to establish relationships with political parties internationally who are similarly aligned to where he wants the new party to be.

the palestine march just breezed through liverpool city centre. 70% white boomers. 25% BAME. 5% white zoomers.

I love how on supposed "lefty" brit thread the degenerate angloid fascist thinking is still present.

>>2403021
>I can abide fascist cruelty

LMAO this is supposed to be a LEFTIST site!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAH.

>>2410883
You sound like you're 50. Man the fucking retardation in this thread.

>>2410881
>Working class life

They're not working class lol. Parasite white degenerates that are the face of your fascism.

MPs are now using VPNs and counting it as part of their expenses, meaning we the taxpayers are funding their VPN use.
What a fucking joke.
Source: https://www.politico.eu/article/britain-mps-charge-vpns-expenses-minister-caution-tech-jonathan-reynolds-data/

>>2414837
>>2414867
You know fucking NOTHING about Hegel.

BBC finds electrocuted, drowned and starved cats in online torture groups

An international network that shares online videos of cats and kittens being tortured has members in the UK, the BBC has found.

The network is thought to have thousands of members who post, share and sell graphic images and videos of cats being hurt and killed.

In one group, on an encrypted messaging app, the BBC found evidence of British members suggesting users adopt kittens from the RSPCA to mutilate.

The BBC investigation comes after two teenagers admitted torturing and killing two kittens in a park in Ruislip, north-west London, in May. They are due to be sentenced on Monday.

The 16-year-old girl, and boy, aged 17, who cannot be named for legal reasons, pleaded guilty after the kittens were found cut open and strung up. Knives, blowtorches and scissors were also found at the scene.

These groups started in China, but BBC News has identified members now active across the world, including in the UK.

The scale of the network has been documented by animal rights activists Feline Guardians.

The group says between May 2023 and May 2024, a new video showing the torture and execution of a kitten or cat was uploaded approximately every 14 hours.

It says it has documented 24 groups active this year, the largest of which had more than 1,000 members. The most active torturer is believed to have filmed the torture and killing of more than 200 cats.

Chat conversations in one group, seen by the BBC, include what appear to be UK-based accounts discussing how to get hold of cats to abuse.

One member discussed how to adopt kittens from the RSPCA and posted application forms. Another post shared an advert for kittens for sale in the UK, posting that they wanted to "torture them so bad".

Videos and photographs seen by the BBC are graphic and extremely disturbing.

They include footage of cats being drowned and electrocuted. One video speculates on how long a kitten in a cage will survive if it is not given food.

Group members appear to want to inflict as much pain as possible. In online chats, torturers explain how they use electrocution to resuscitate a cat in order to prolong suffering.

New members are encouraged to mutilate and post videos to gain access to a wider network.

The BBC saw evidence that suggested children were taking part in these groups. One member posted: "I'm 10 years old and I like to torture cats."

In September 2023, the network even promoted a "100 cat kill" competition, during which members were encouraged to see how quickly the group could torture and kill 100 cats.

Videos depicting the horrific torture of cats first went viral in China in 2023.

The man responsible for two extremely graphic videos, Wang Chaoyi, was detained for 15 days by the Chinese authorities and forced to issue a "letter of repentance".

But his footage developed a cult following and others began making similar content for Chinese and Western social media, gaining thousands of views, before groups developed on encrypted messaging apps.

"Little Winnie" is a well known name used in the cat torture community for having a profile picture that mocks the Chinese leader Xi Jinping with an image of Winnie the Pooh.

Accounts with that name and profile picture are described as administrators in a number of forums.

An activist from Feline Guardians got in touch with one of those Little Winnie accounts and lured the man behind it into an online relationship.

Eventually she persuaded the man behind the account to do a video call. From that call, the group identified a 27-year-old man living in the Japanese capital Tokyo.

Feline Guardians has held demonstrations outside the Chinese Embassy, in London, demanding that authorities in Beijing do more.

"In mainland China, there are no laws that are stopping this. So that means that abusers and torturers can effectively do what they want and live out these very sadistic fantasies without any consequence. These videos are then uploaded, and essentially that's a global problem, because that means that everyone has access to these videos. Children are seeing this," Lara said.

Johanna Baxter MP, chair of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Cats, said these groups were "a deeply worrying trend, particularly among young men".

"Animal abuse often acts as a gateway, making future acts of violence easier to rationalise and commit," she added.

>>2414367
there isn't a society if you are simply interchangeable economic units. It's a holding pen. I don't know how to make this point clearer, and yet people will still say "yerr but it's not all about immigration".

>>2415715
hegel in "philosophy of right" saw how society must operate by a separation of powers, while marxists think everything must commence within a central power; that is the primary error, borne from marx's early criticism of hegel (such as in "on the jewish question"), where he saw how the state and civil society exist in contradiction and so both should be undone. this is characteristic of marxist vulgarity. thats why reason is on the side of the moderate left rather than the radical left, which descends into irrationalism and theocracy.

>>2415935
how 'bout that halal slaughter tho?



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