>It’s time for a new kind of political party. One that belongs to you.
>The system is rigged.
>The system is rigged when 4.5 million children live in poverty in the sixth richest country in the world. The system is rigged when giant corporations make a fortune from rising bills. The system is rigged when this government says there is no money for the poor, but billions for war.
>We cannot accept these injustices – and neither should you.
>We will only fix the crises in our society with a mass redistribution of wealth and power. That means taxing the very richest in our society. That means an NHS free of privatisation and bringing energy, water, rail and mail into public ownership. That means investing in a massive council-house building programme. That means standing up to fossil fuel giants putting their profits before our planet.
>Meanwhile, millions of people are horrified by the government’s shameful complicity in genocide. We believe in the radical idea that all human life has equal value. That is why we defend the right to protest for Palestine. That is why we demand an end to all arms sales to Israel. And that is why we will carry on campaigning for the only path to peace: a free and independent Palestine.
>Our movement is made up of people of all faiths and none. The great dividers want you to think that the problems in our society are caused by migrants or refugees. They’re not. They are caused by an economic system that protects the interests of corporations and billionaires. It is ordinary people who create the wealth – and it is ordinary people who have the power to put it back where it belongs.
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>>2402484BadUK mods largely control the UK subs and started banning most the Corbyn types (including myself, you should have seen the seethe when I messaged the mods personal accounts and asked why the fuck I was banned when I broke no rules lmao), most left the UK subs and retreated into the anarkiddie woke cult that is GreenandPleasant and got brainwashed by the Tumblrite pixie faggot retards there so are even more unwelcome on the rest of the normie UK spaces.
I honestly love the Corbyn derangement syndrome. I remember some retards saying to me "Corbyn is the most narcissistic person in politics" like, lmfao, another classic rUKpol type is that "Corbyn never compromised" when all Corbyn did was fucking compromise with the Labour Right to his detriment.
>>2401657Biggest issue is most aren't asylum seekers, just economic migrants.
I remember reading about some guy that was held with ""Asylum seekers"" for some other immigration issue, and he said they just straight up told him the reason they come is largely it's just the thing to do in their villages and towns and that it's "boring" back home and he should also lie and "claim Asylum" despite the guy they were telling this too was I think Canadian or Australian from memory.
Another thing is, yep, no cultural integration, but a point that you touched on is something I've always wondered
How in fuck are they doing the delivery jobs and Uber? Like, how in fuck are they driving around on scooters and in cars, when by law, they wouldn't have a UK license for a fucking year minimum, and with how hard it is to get driving test booked, likely year and a half. Do cops never fucking pull these people over or anything? It's CLEAR they are illegally driving.
Another point is that notice how high streets are all being taken over by these bullshit businesses? The reason noone can compete against them is say, some Indian or Pakistani or African landlord, basically buys up the entire complex, then they use the businesses to tax dodge. They don't really pay income tax, they don't pay VAT (dispite actually often having high turnover for especially off licenses), they don't pay business rates and are staffed with illegal migrants and ""refugees"" so nobody else can compete. "But but HMRC" UK Government is genuinely two tier. They know the only people who give a fuck about the law are white people, so that is who they target. The average thirdie migrant or black person or whatever won't even show up to court, nor has any assets or even real home address to fine.
Also just in general, terrible investigations anyway. The investigation for benefits fraud is that they check your main bank account for any purchases over like 10k then ask you what it's for and that's it. That's why you only have a 0.7% fraud rate despite when I lived (in an illegally sublet HMO council flat) I would say probably a good 40% of people in that estate were brazenly defrauding the system. Anyone on benefits who is engaging in fraud is using non-regulated financial apps to hide their money or cash and are hiding assets in extended family (or another persons) name. I knew literal landlords who were in council housing lmao. "Report them" did and nothing was done because their "investigation" is just check their main bank account and that's that.
>>2402989>Biggest issue is most aren't asylum seekers, just economic migrants. economic migrants are most asylum seekers - the boat people claim asylum in the UK; thats how they get gibs. the other portion of asylum seekers are refugees, which make up the minority of applicants.
>Do cops never fucking pull these people over or anything?they do sometimes, but very rarely.
>It's CLEAR they are illegally driving.the police force dont care about the law. they care about shutting you up as we delve deeper into a dysfunctional police state. they will tase a 90-year-old amputee for hold up a butter knife; they will call you a terrorist for holding a cardboard sign; they will turn you away if you tell them youve been raped; they will arrest you and invade your home for tweets - but they wont actually solve crime. they are cowards and bullies. i would suggest you look up the phenomenon of "anarcho-tyranny" described by samuel francis - the state needs crime to oppress law-abiding citizens. thats why in the US they ban guns for the average joe, yet gun ownership among criminals doesnt decrease. members of the public in the UK cant have knives yet youfs have machetes. funny that, innit?
>Another point is that notice how high streets are all being taken over by these bullshit businesses? a lot of it is money laundering; thats why its cash only.
>I knew literal landlords who were in council housing lmao.you are a winner in this society if you break the rules.
>>2402995labour is to the far right of reform
thats the greatest irony
If you could apply for asylum without being physically present in Britain (which you used to be able to do) you wouldn't have any boat people.
It's our insistence on a kafkaesque system (entering Britain illegally will be counted against your application, but the only practical way to lodge an application if you're not from Ukraine or Hong Kong is to enter the UK illegally) that leads to all the issues. Allow people to apply in their own countries and if you want, you can even reject most of the applications and the problem will go away. And hey, if it doesn't, you've actually got them bang to rights on not going through the proper procedure, because the procedure is now merely harsh rather than outright absurdist.
See, I can tolerate cruelty of a dry, bureaucratic sort, so long as all the procedures really do make sense, so long as their absurdity is logically coherent. It's the right-wing's libidinal enjoyment of cruelty that I can't abide. I don't want crackdowns and deportations on the streets of Britain. I'd rather have the refugees. If you don't want refugees, get rid of them with signed forms full of legalese postmarked far far away.
>>2403016I'm afraid it's a retarded argument. Let's say I'm Australian. Australia and New Zealand go to war. Are you really telling me that I should flee to Indonesia, where I've got no friends or family or language ability, rather than going to Britain, where I've got all of those things?
I mean, I will be quite blunt about this: I will abide cruelty, but I cannot abide stupidity, and this is stupid. You can reject my argument that people have a good reason to choose Britain (it's certainly not for the quality of life over France, lol), but the fact it occurred to me in a fraction of a second as an obvious counter-argument is why I cannot swallow making "if you came from France, no." our policy. I could, however, swallow drawing up a set of criteria, or perhaps even an arbitrary target number (you could even make a whole fake model justifying that number as our "capacity" to take refugees, ooh…) and applying it consistently. Smart, boring cruelty is nice and easy to ignore. Stupid cruelty? Fuck that, I'll just be kind.
>>2402998>labour is to the far right of reformthats the greatest irony
I wouldn't go that far. Yes, Labour is very right wing, and probably shares many of the same beliefs as reform. But Reform voters are completely fixated on ethnic-religious nationalism with regards to immigration above all else.
>>2403021if you live in australia, you can get a plane over to the UK, like many asylum seekers already do. you are not understanding the situation. there are many asylum seekers who have passports and enter and apply by legal means - then theres others (who smuggle themselves in, or come by boat), who do so illegally. it is illegal to cross into a country without permission. this is why we have so much security in airports, no?
i am saying that at the very least, dont break the law, but to you, this is asking far too much. and you think this is about friends and family? surely if we stopped benefits for asylum seekers, they would still make the trip to the UK then, right? empirically, removing benefits disincentivises asylum seeking in the UK, as we see in 2003 with tony blair's cuts. this then proves that *at least* 50% (50,000/year) come for the gibs. you have no facts, no stats, only hearty rhetoric.
>i'll be kindhere's a conundrum. lets say an asylum seeker rapes a woman in the UK. what would be the kind solution to this? i would say that by the standards of fairness, they should be deported for entirely disrespecting law, custom and human dignity. your perspective?
>>2403025reform voters are more right-wing
but reform itself is moderate
thats why there is so much dissatisfaction with farage
>>2403026https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a747ee940f0b604dd7ae602/applicationsfromabroad.pdf>As a signatory to the 1951 Refugee Convention, the UK fully considers all asylum applications lodged in the UK. However, the UK’s international obligations under the Convention do not extend to the consideration of asylum applications lodged abroad and there is no provision in our Immigration Rules for someone abroad to be given permission to travel to the UK to seek asylum. The policy guidance on the discretionary referral to the UK Border Agency of applications for asylum by individuals in a third country who have not been recognised as refugees by another country or by the UNHCR under its mandate, has been withdrawn. No applications will be considered by a UK visa-issuing post or by the UK Border Agency pending a review of the policy and guidance.There is not, in fact, a real abundance of people who enter by legal means
for the purpose of seeking refuge. What there is is a mix of people who enter by unrelated means (say, a student or work visa) and then applying for refugee status, and people from Afghanistan and Ukraine (where special exceptions are made). Everyone else is basically required to enter the country illegally to lodge an application. Discarding their application because they broke a law
which they had no choice but to break in order to lodge the application is, as I've said before,
retarded.
Your numbers are broadly misleading for one simple reason: You talk about Blair's crackdowns, but not his wars. There's a big spike in the number of Iraqi refugees between 1999 and 2003 and a big spike in Afghan refugees between 1999 and 2001 (you might even remember that in 2000, some of them hijacked a plane to flee the Taliban. Nevertheless our government
really wanted to deport them hijackers because ~tee-hee hijacking is a crime, it doesn't matter if you're fleeing the Taliban~ and of course, our national press were furious that they ultimately got to stay.) Now, we started bombing the Taliban in 2001 because they were - let's say -
bad, and the number of Afghan refugees dutifully
fell. The same effect occurs in Iraq in 2003.
Now obviously it's counterintuitive that the number of refugees
falls when you start bombing a place (shouldn't they be fleeing the war?), but it's not that hard to explain: You can hardly get your student visa and fly to the UK and then claim Saddam is torturing you if Saddam's been hanged and your airport hasn't had a functioning runway since 2003, and the UK's hardly going to accept that you need refuge from the evils of British and American soldiers. The wars created a lot of refugees, sure, but they're not showing up
here for obvious reasons.
>>2403040>There is not, in fact, a real abundance of people who enter by legal means for the purpose of seeking refuge.last year we had 100,000 asylum seekers
what percentage would you say entered the UK illegally?
>What there is is a mix of people who enter by unrelated means (say, a student or work visa) and then applying for refugee statusso… they entered legally? thanks for proving my point
>Discarding their application because they broke a law which they had no choice but to breakif they are in france, then they have refuge. they come to the UK for gibs. just say that they have a right to claim gibs in the UK and you dont have to lie anymore.
>You talk about Blair's crackdowns, but not his warslook at the stats i posted. high refugee applicancy in 2001-2003, then a sudden drop-off. why? because blair stopped the gibs. as an experiment, if we stopped the gibs, do you think asylum seeking rates would fall?
also you failed to answer my question. after an asylum seeker (a foreign national) rapes a woman in the UK, what is the "kind" solution toward this waste of life?
>>2403045who are you talking to? yourself?
>There is nothing in wrong with poor people getting gibsshould asylum seekers have the right to come to the UK for the sole purpose of claiming gibs?
>rapists should be locked up and reeducatedideally, they would be hung, drawn and quartered. that would be the kindest thing to do.
>>2403043See, when you reply like this you make it too obvious you're not engaging in good faith, you're looking for holes, and you're not even very good of it.
1. "entering the UK legally" means nothing if having the means to do so are luck based: What do you do if you're fleeing war and not eligible for a temporary student or work visa? There is no means to enter the country legally PURELY on the basis that you'd like to make use of your right to seek refuge. You cannot glibly side-step the absurdity of this policy with "oh, but we had 100,000 refugees!" - yeah, so fucking what. I've already said it's not about the numbers, it's about the obvious absurdity.
2. Why should an English speaking refugee with family in Britain live in France? I'm sorry:
Fuck off, retard.3. You don't understand the stats you've posted. You've grabbed a chart and gone "look, line go down, THE SUN ASKS AND BLAIR DELIVERS!" without knowing anything about the issue at hand. The number of people seeking asylum
across all of Europe followed basically the same pattern as the Kosovo war drew down, and in the UK specifically there's a big drop in the number of Afghan refugees in 2001 and of Iraqi refugees in 2003 - tell me, if we didn't cut benefits until 2003 why did the number of Afghan applications start to fall in 2002? That correlates with the invasion of Afghanistan, not with Blairite reform.
The kind solution is to lock him in a room with you and tell him if he bums you we'll make him a lord.
>>2403048>"entering the UK legally" means nothingright.
>What do you do if you're fleeing war and not eligible for a temporary student or work visa? you go to france, apparently. again, these people have successfully fled war; they just have one more stop to go before thet get a free hotel room.
>we had 100,000 refugees!" - yeah, so fucking what.that means that the majority (50,000<) entered legally, so they are not illegal immigrants by their own choice. you are thus depriving agency from criminals as if they are children, just like the crooked judges who let the savages run amok, carrying knives and punching police officers with no consequence.
>Why should an English speaking refugee with family in Britain live in France?if they have a family in britain, the family can fly them in, or get them through the channel tunnel.
>tell me, if we didn't cut benefits until 2003 why did the number of Afghan applications start to fall in 2002? That correlates with the invasion of Afghanistan, not with Blairite reform.so what war has caused unprecedented numbers entering the UK since 2020? many thousand albanians have also come in. what war are they fleeing? just say that as foreign national they should have a right to british resources - its that easy.
>The kind solution is to lock him in a room with you and tell him if he bums you we'll make him a lord.the truth is, mate, that you just dont care about this country or the safety of its people. youre literally too corrupt and cowardly to say that we should punish rapists. madness, mate.
>>2403047>should asylum seekers have the right to come to the UK for the sole purpose of claiming gibs?Yes
>ideally, they would be hung, drawn and quartered. that would be the kindest thing to do.Murder and punishment fantasies are great at making you feel good but are useless at fixing problems. You'd prevent more rapes by combattng rape culture, patriarchy and (re)educating people but right wingers scoff at those ideas (they like dominating and raping women and children)
>>2403053>if they have a family in britain, the family can fly them in, or get them through the channel tunnel.I have bad news for you: This is something called a "crime", if you commit a "crime" you are "breaking the law".
>so what war has caused unprecedented numbers entering the UK since 2020?On the one hand, Ukraine. (Who get special treatment. Have you ever wondered why?) On the other: You have missed my argument. You cannot read. In the case of Afghanistan and Iraq, Britain going to war
reduced the inflow of refugees, since those countries are far away and since it was Britain waging the war.
Anyway, have fun:
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/commentaries/albanian-asylum-seekers-in-the-uk-and-eu-a-look-at-recent-data/>Albanian small boat arrivals fell dramatically in the last quarter of 2022 and the first quarter of 2023 after a peak in the summer of 2022.>Less than half of Albanian asylum applications were accepted>Of all the positive decisions on adult Albanians’ asylum applications (main applicants) in 2022, 88% were for women.>Albanian men have an initial decision success rate that is well below that for all men, while Albanian women have a higher-than-average success rate (Figure 6). In 2022, 88% of initial decisions for adult women from Albania were positive, compared to 11% for men. >>2403058>asylum seekers should get gibsis there a limit to how many gibs?
>execution doesnt solve anythingdestroying evil is a good in-itself.
>just tell people not to rapemost (british) people are not rapists, in case you didnt notice - and there are dispropotionate figures around rape as well, mainly from people who do actually come from patriarchal rape cultures, like pakistan, india and afghanistan. go and lecture them on their problems.
>>2403056>'War' isn't the only reason people flee a nationso not every boat person is fleeing war after all.
>>2403061>its a crime to come to the UKnot if you have a passport.
>>2403065welsh nationalists be like:
>hate the pakis>hate the english<love the EUsimple as.
>>2403080protestor or counter-protestor?
there were a lot of people bussed in that day
>>2403084if you have a passport then travel to UK, you can apply for a visa, and then you can seek asylum:
>Apply for a visa if you want to come to the UK for another reason (for example to work, study or remain with family). If you’re already in the UK and want to remain with family living here, apply for a family of a settled person visa.https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylumthis is indeed a legal mode of asylum seeking. travelling on a small boat is illegal immigration.
>>2403081Crow is at times used for corvids more generally, and that's what the myth is, that corvids are attracted to shiny objects, not just magpies.
It comes from them being intensely curious.
The fact that i can live in a city but still be surrounded by green and have magpies land outside my windows is one of the few nice things about this cunttry btw.
>>2403087You've parsed that wrong.
>Apply for a visa if you want to come to the UK for another reason (for example to work, study or remain with family). If you’re already in the UK and want to remain with family living here, apply for a family of a settled person visa.This is for people who
aren't refugees. This is telling them that you should not claim asylum just because you want to live in the UK, that the correct pathway is to apply for a work, study, or family visa. Getting a work, study, or family visa and then applying for refugee status when using it
is a legal route of entry, but it excludes all of the people who aren't eligible for one of those three visas. Those people have no legal means of entering the country.
Good luck getting on a plane to Britain from a country without a visa waiver agreement (e.g. pretty much all the shit countries you'd seek asylum from) without proof that you've got a visa for your final destination.
>>2403094>it excludes all of the people who aren't eligible for one of those three visasyour original claim was that the reason asylum seekers come to the UK in particular is because they have family here, so why would they be ineligible for the family visa? then you say that the mere act of flying to the UK is illegal, so they are forced to break the law (even though the majority of asylum seekers apply legally). more contradictions.
>Good luck getting on a plane to Britain from a country without a visa waiver agreement (e.g. pretty much all the shit countries you'd seek asylum from)like france? the small boats are coming from france.
>>2403097Family visa is narrow and doesn't apply to brothers/sisters/cousins. Most applications are legal because a lot of people
are eligible for one of those 3 visas, but it remains a joke that people who'd have a perfectly valid asylum claim
cannot lodge it without breaking the law.
>>2403672nope.
P R O S C R I B E D O R G A N I S A T I O N !
>>2402996>the state needs crime to oppress law-abiding citizens. thats why in the US they ban guns for the average joe, yet gun ownership among criminals doesnt decrease. members of the public in the UK cant have knives yet youfs have machetes. funny that, innit?Yeah, this is definitely a good point and sadly matches my (though personal) experiences. Cops love hitting easy targets which means, generally law abiding, civic citizens, with largely nitpicking, while ignoring all the brazen open crime from certain demographics.
I always have said, I've been witness to such brazen, open, organized crime, it's wild police largely don't seem to give a shit about extremely obvious stuff if it comes from open Lumpens.
>a lot of it is money laundering; thats why its cash only.A lot is, but apparently they do pretty high turnover as well, one of the main reasons for cash is to keep money off the boots so they don't hit 90k reported income and have to pay VAT. In a London investigation I read recently, the several they investigated had a turnover of around 600 quid per hour meaning.. yeah 90k is something they are hitting pretty fast.
This is why no one can compete, they are actually high profit (or money laundering) but paying no tax or business rates. This means legitimate businesses get forced out by landlords who basically just want a ciminal tax dodging front. Doesn't help the ethnic aspect where say, if Pakistani's take over a building, they will basically only lease out to Pakistani's etc.
>>2403104The most annoying thing about the PA thing, is how all the centrists retards on reddit cheered it on, now all shocked pikachu face, and of course, pretending now nobody could have seen this coming, like this wasn't EXACTLY the same gameplan they had with the IHRA definition of Antisemitism which they used immediately to start lawfaring critics of Israel.
>>2403762the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
>>2404180>it's wild police largely don't seem to give a shitits not just apathy or malice; its cowardice. theyre all shitbags who need 10 of their mates to make one arrest. pack animals and crybabies. a lot of the lumpen act the same way as well, which further connects the police and criminal elements in their behaviour.
>A lot is, but apparently they do pretty high turnover as welldepends what business model youre talking about i suppose. indians and pakistanis are mercantile races, so put in the work to make a profit on re-selling wholesale purchases from costco in their corner shops. the indians have an advantage cos they can sell alcohol ofc. i was more talking about the barber shops or sweet shops or souvenir shops which never sell stock yet rent a commercial space for a long time.
>>2403762Already being used to censor shit like protest and Palestine footage lmao. Honestly, just look at Australia. It's the Anglosphere testing ground for Nanny state bullshit. Literally mandatory ISP browsing history storage for 2 years minimum which is accessable by employers and Government departments and associated Government NGOs, now they are rolling out needing to have ID and face scan to use Google.
>>2402982Largely hoping they are mostly hammer on bread and butter issues, like Housing, Pay and Nation Building and ignore all the pet issues of lefty crank issues and largely ignore culture war issues entirely. Already seeing a lot of malding and seething on G&P and LabourUK and other leftyUK subs if they don't push hard on Idpol, which of course the party needs to ignore mostly. They also need to be careful on Immigration, if they are pro-mass migration they will lose a lot of working class.
I think an easy win for them would be to ban Buy to Let at this point. Buy To Let is just absolutely fucking obscene in this housing market. Fastest growing sector in the UK and it's literally destroying the social and economic fabric of this country.
>>2404425>it was king athelstan (924-939 A.D.) who first allowed masons to operate in englandWith the benefit of hindsight, I can say that was probably a mistake.
>it was oliver cromwell who re-admitted them in 1656That was also a mistake.
https://youtu.be/yzBo865Ukis?si=k4KLeF5P0vqdaB2FPretty good video showing Labour politicians support for the genocide in Gaza.
Still fucking WILD that Luke Akehurst is still allowed in the party.
> "Non-Zionist Jews have abandoned very much of their Jewish identity, It’s become a purely cultural thing around a bowl of chicken soup.">"Jackie Waters has mixed antecedents. Jewish on one side and Caribbean on the other side. I can only interpret her remarks as somehow playing out some inner conflict." > "Aren't Jews politically black?">"If Palestinians don't want to be treated in the way they do, then maybe we could extend human rights to rats" >>2404442>Surely worth considering this is just people signing up to a website mailing listIt is. But it's still pretty impressive. Let's hope a lot of those numbers turn into paid membership numbers.
I think it's very possible for Corbyn's new party to get hundreds of thousands of members. It was under Corbyn's labour party leadership that the Labour party become one of the largest parties in Europe.
>>2404450Good video.
Though of course it highlights only 4 Labour MPs - is there a video that more comprehensively shows the complicity of all applicable Labour MPs?
>>2404390>.the indians have an advantage cos they can sell alcohol ofc.Lmao Pakistanis DO NOT CARE about religious prohibitions on alcohol.
t. live in a city with loads of pakistans.
From February
https://labourlist.org/2025/02/labour-party-membership-drop-since-general-election/
>Labour has lost more than one in ten members since the general election, new figures suggest, with the party losing one member every ten minutes on average in recent months.
> The party’s paid-up members currently number around 309,000 – down 11.4% from around 348,500 in July last year, according to members of the party’s governing body.
>The most recent figures suggest membership fell by more than 9,500 between the end of November and the end of January – a rate of around one departure every 10 minutes, or 152 a day.
>The statistics are net figures, meaning the rate of departures could be even higher but offset by new joiners.
>National executive committee members also report that the party’s youth membership has fallen to 30,000, from more than 100,000 five years ago.If the number of people signing up to the mailing list is an accurate reflection of the numbers of people who will join the party, then they will already be 1/3rd larger than Labour, becoming the biggest party in the UK.
Even if only half of the people eventually join, they will still be the 2nd largest party in the UK, bigger than both the Tories and Reform.
Of course it's not as simple as membership numbers = winning elections, you could have a party with 10 million members and still lose an election, but it's a good start at least. We need them to displace Labour as the "left wing" party (obviously there's nothing left wing about Labour at all anymore, but you know what I mean in terms of mainstream labelling).
I honestly believe in the next 2 or 3 years support for the Labour and Tories will evaporate, any pretence that they are relevent will become a joke.
All the centrist neoliberal zionist political elite zombies will flee to the LibDems or maybe work together to make a Change UK 2.0 which will get 0.1% of the popular vote, while the real fight at the next election will be Corbz's DemSoc, Trade Unionist & Trot coalition vs Farage and his band of Hitlerites.
>>2405053How do we force labour to abandon red and take up a light blue? The colour is to good to abandon.
>I honestly believe in the next 2 or 3 years support for the Labour and Tories will evaporate, any pretence that they are relevant will become a joke.I've been saying this for ages, the political reality of the center has collapsed for years now, these parties have collapsed across the continent, it's now clear to
everyone we live in a new reality. people seem to think this shitty place is exceptional in some way though.
>>2404660They will claim it's technically not a lie. They give the information to the US, to give to Israel. See, not a lie.
That is how Five Eyes works, it's a network of just passing information around through middle men so you can claim you never actually did what you did.
Questioning should be "Has Israel recieved any intelligence from the UK or allies, that came from British missions?" Rather than just "have we given intelligence to Israel".
He will probably still lie, but you are more likely to get a wishy washy answer that basically means yes.
>>2405134Is he still going on about it? I don't get why Corbynite people still support this boomer handout policy.
>>2405134>>2405503you have to realise that upper middle class left wing mums are a fairly big part of the 'radical' left demographic
give the waspi women money if it helps corbyn get in power whatever
it's a shame dominic cummings is
a) the only high profile person to understand the UK state and parties are completely dysfunctional, and that changing the party in power will achieve absolutely nothing if you don't deal with the whole structure
b) a deranged right-wing lunatic even by right-wing lunatic standards (he thinks pro-palestine protestors are not just naive, or misinformed, or even "pro-hamas", but outright "demanding a second holocaust")
there's basically nobody on the left who can even run an old-style dysfunctional-but-operational party, let alone understand how to set up a functional one, let alone set up a functional one, win office, and then discover the state itself is dysfunctional and cannot implement any of your policies, let alone win, and reform the state so the policies can be implemented
one day a deranged right-wing lunatic might come along and do it, or perhaps the existing dysfunctional structure will dispense with the right-wing lunatics and keep dysfunctioning away indefinitely, but the left doesn't even understand the nature of the problem. management and administration? boring, petit-bourgeois. we've got to argue about the class position of immigrants some more. who wants to talk about a party structure that can deliver outcomes? we already know the optimal party structure - an equal 1/3 mix of anarchist reading circle, CPSU democratic centralism, and trotskyist rape cult backroom dealings.
https://archive.is/cwy2FElite police squad to monitor anti-migrant posts on social media
<Concerns for free speech mount as Home Office creates team to flag signs of potential unrest
>An elite team of police officers is to monitor social media for anti-migrant sentiment amid fears of summer riots.
>Detectives will be drawn from forces across the country to take part in a new investigations unit that will flag up early signs of potential civil unrest.
>The division, assembled by the Home Office, will aim to “maximise social media intelligence” gathering after police forces were criticised over their response to last year’s riots.
>It comes amid growing concern that Britain is facing another summer of disorder, as protests outside asylum hotels spread.
>On Saturday, crowds gathered in towns and cities including Norwich, Leeds and Bournemouth to demand action, with more protests planned for Sunday.
>Angela Rayner warned the Cabinet last week that the Government must act to address the “the real concerns that people have” about immigration.
>But critics on Saturday night branded the social media plans “disturbing” and raised concerns over whether they would lead to a restriction of free speech.
>Chris Philp, the shadow home secretary, said: “Two-tier Keir can’t police the streets, so he’s trying to police opinions instead. They’re setting up a central team to monitor what you post, what you share, what you think, because deep down they know the public don’t buy what they’re selling.
>“Labour have stopped pretending to fix Britain and started trying to mute it. This is a Prime Minister who’s happy to turn Britain into a surveillance state, but won’t deport foreign criminals, won’t patrol high streets, won’t fund frontline policing.
>“Labour are scared of the public, Labour don’t trust the public, Labour don’t even know the public.”Nigel Farage, the Reform UK leader, said: “This is the beginning of the state controlling free speech. It is sinister, dangerous and must be fought. Reform UK will do just that.”
>In a further sign of dissent over the Government’s approach to social media, campaigners claimed on Saturday that posts about anti-migrant protests in the past week had been censored because of new online safety laws.
>The new unit, called the National Internet Intelligence Investigations team, will work out of the National Police Coordination Centre (NPoCC) in Westminster.
>It follows criticism of the authorities for what some regard as a heavy-handed approach to social media, including a judge’s decision to jail Lucy Connolly, a mother of one who is married to a Conservative councillor, for 31 months over an inflammatory post in the wake of the Southport attacks.
>The NPoCC provides the central planning for forces across the country when dealing with “nationally significant protests” and civil disorder.
>It also led Operation Talla, the nationwide police response to the Covid pandemic, which included the enforcement of lockdown rules.
>Plans for the new investigation unit emerged in a letter to MPs by Dame Diana Johnson, the policing minister, which was published just before recess.[…]
>>2405505What's the point in having a new "radical" government when it's just going to continue the wealth transfer from productive young people → unproductive pensioners?
Any party serious about major economic reform would be talking about ending the triple lock at a minimum. Instead here he is wanting to expand the state pension to people who aren't even legally entitled to it!
Remember to tell your friends, your enemies, your wife and her boyfriend to all sign the petition against the new internet censorship law.
Will the petition achieve anything? No. But think about this:
>Do you want to have to submit passport photos and 10 pictures of your face pulling different goofy expressions in order to access 18+ rated video games, watch streamers or anime, and post on social media sites?>Do you want sketchy US companies holding onto your personal data, photos, and search history forever?>Do you want to have to pay for a VPN subscription for the rest of your life to avoid the above problems?We can at least let them know the people aren't happy.
At least you can say you did the bare minimum when your children ask why we have a firewall more restrictive than mainland China.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/722903>>2405698These petitions never change anything. The Longhouse has unilaterally decided that porn is violence against muh women so now we have to live with the consequences.
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>>2405742>Ze longhouse Suck my fucking dick retard
The one actually banning porn are KKKredit KKKard KKKompanies run by people like Peter Thiel and Musk and not matriarchal bureaucrats lounging in a village longhouse
This longhouse shit gotta be the most annoying rightoid trope in years. Even Yarvin's Cathedral has at least some pretense towards calling out the powers that be instead of men with mommy issues whinging about how le nanny state is castrating males
>>2405806BAP is a retard but it's probably the best way to describe our current predicament. I mean, have you seen the current Labour frontbench?
If the Supreme Court ruling on the Equality Act and Labour's reaction to it didn't prove the existence of a Longhouse, surely this latest porn situation does.
>>2405842Basically when humans first settled into conglomerated settlements since the males all hunted and shieet (and died very young) the actual governance of the village is done by aging women who congregated in long buildings located in the middle of the settlement, hence the Longhouse which people like BAP is using as an analogy to female-coded bureaucracy that existed under bourgeois democracy
But this is to ignore that the longhouse emerged during a period of settled living, which as Ibn Khaldun noted is the emergence of wealth stratification and concentration of power around patriarchs and tribal chiefs, eventually giving rise to the bronze age slave states. So rather than an expression of feminimity the longhouse is a mechanism of labour discipline wielded by patriarchs.
In fact there might be quite a lot of men who participated in these 'longhouses'. And we can know this because late tribal societies were dominated by secret societies, often dominated by males, that later transformed into the human-sacrificing priesthoods of bronze age societies. It is not a stretch to imagine that these tribal secret societies might have emerged from the longhouses, which implied that there was a sizeable male presence there
>>2405821>longhouseTerm invented by neo-Fascist / manosphere / alt right internet personality "Bronze Age Pervert", and popularly used amongst the online far right & incels.
It's a metaphor refering to different types of men that existed in pre-historic society.
They claim the men that went out hunting and fighting are the equivalent of the modern extreme right and incels.
In contrast the men who stayed behind in the longhouses - the men who were weak and effeminate, who would've knitted fabrics, brushing the floors, collected berries - are the equivalent of any modern group the modern Fascists hate - be it establishment Liberals or radical Leftists (they don't understand the difference), people who are opposed to racism, who support women's rights, gay rights, etc.
It really is some nonsense bs. Just saying "my side (Nazis and virgins) are the alpha outgoing hyper masculine chads, and your side (anyone else) is gay and feminised".
>>2405853the longhouse theory is older than BAP. you can read about in the works of camille paglia and robert graves. its also what engels refers to as primitive matriarchy. BAP has praised paglia before (since both are "nietzscheans").
>>2405742porn is violence against women and men. an industry of exploitation, sex trafficking and objectification.
>>2405856>theres more than enough resources to dole outyes, but we shouldnt, since not everyone deserves them.
https://unherd.com/2025/07/the-ulsterisation-of-english-politics/The Ulsterisation of English politics
Westminster is losing legitimacy
>In his 1977 book The Break-Up of Britain, the socialist and Scottish nationalist writer Tom Nairn titled his chapter on the United Kingdom’s then-most restive province “Northern Ireland: Relic or Portent?” On this, as with so much else, Nairn may have been prescient. A year ago, it was natural to speculate on whether anti-migrant disturbances would become a feature of the English summer, as those deriving from the province’s traditional, and now largely ceremonial, ethnic conflict are in Northern Ireland. Today, it appears that “rioting season” has become England’s new routine. Rather than a freak occurrence, to be dealt with by harsh sentencing, the mixed protests and clashes in Epping, like the demonstrations in Diss and now Canary Wharf, still seem like only tremors before a greater earthquake. When Nigel Farage warned this week that “nobody in London understands how close we are to civil disobedience”, the response from Left-liberals, confused and frightened by a predictable course of events nevertheless incomprehensible to their worldview, was to cast him as a sort of English Ian Paisley, threatening violence at a safe remove for political gain.
>A more apposite analogy, perhaps, would be with the last-ditch attempt, in 1968, to wrest the province from societal breakdown delivered by Northern Irish Prime Minister Captain Terence O’Neill in his famous “Ulster stands at the Crossroads” broadcast. “What kind of Ulster do you want?” O’Neill asked, “A happy and respected province… or a place continually torn apart by riots and demonstrations?” O’Neill, a brave, perceptive and forward-thinking reformer, proved unequal to the task before him. It must be said that neither Keir Starmer nor Nigel Farage approach his calibre.
>Is it going too far to declare a creeping Ulsterisation of English politics? In a response to their demographic decline, currently mostly focusing on the British state’s loss of control of the nation’s borders, one would have expected the English to adopt a similar siege mentality to that of Ulster’s Protestants, whose “conditional loyalty” to the British state has always been dependent on the sense that it was safeguarding their ethnic interests. It now appears that they have. Like the PSNI, the English police is being criticised for its handling of disorder by a mobilising ethnic community, with the latter enjoying the tentative support of two political parties. One of those, Reform, increasingly appears to be poised to swap roles with what was famously dubbed, until Cameron, “Britain’s natural party of government”. As with the SDLP and UUP in Northern Ireland, respectively replaced by the more radical Sinn Fein and the DUP through a process of what analysts of such conflicts call “ethnic outbidding”, the dynamics in mainland Britain are adopting uncanny echoes of Ulster’s once-unique dysfunction. The DUP is now being threatened from its Right by an even more explicitly ethnic party, Traditional Unionist Voice, though this has not happened in Britain or England. The dynamics of the next decade — what remains of Labour’s capacity to govern the country, and the unknowable, but not immediately reassuring possibilities, of a Farage-led Britain — will surely determine this question.
>As in most ethnically divided polities, Northern Irish politics is a dispiriting gridlock of low-quality politicians uneasily managing the ethnic rivalries of their voter bases, placating them with symbolic treats while building nothing of value, all while failing to reform an economic basket case. Yet it also differs from England. Sharing an island, Northern Ireland’s Loyalist anti-migrant riots now overlap ambiguously with the Irish Republic’s protests, riots and sporadic arson attacks against mooted mass-migration housing. Ulster Loyalists have attempted cooperation across the border with Southern anti-migration activists, and have been rebuffed, with the Southern protest organisers adopting an increasingly Republican, and partially Gaelic nationalist flavour. Yet the cross-border dynamics also extend to the forces of order, with London and Dublin joining together to suppress anti-migration disorder. Fearing a recurrence of the Dublin riots — the modern precedent, I believe, for all such occasions on both islands since — the Irish state borrowed water cannon from Northern Ireland’s PSNI. Similarly, the current murder trial of a Northern Irish citizen in Belfast, allegedly by an asylum seeker, is, highly unusually, being held in Dublin, presumably in an attempt to ward off disturbances north of the border. Westminster and Dublin may not have agreed on much when it came to Brexit, but they happily cooperate on this more existential matter.
>Do the “Epping Says No” placards derive from Ballymena, or from Coolock? The slogan-coiner is from the Homeland Party, an identitarian Right-wing group strongly analogous to Ireland’s National Party, right down to the visual branding and internal feuding. Indeed, Homeland’s recent attempt to expand to Northern Ireland was quickly demolished by National Party-sympathetic Gaelic nationalists on both sides of the border. On anti-immigration activism, it is possible to discern the cultural and political dynamics in the Irish Republic, Northern Ireland and Great Britain influencing, accelerating but also rivalling each other in a cycle of cultural exchange, just as they have done throughout the history of our archipelago.
>In the summer of 1914, mainland Britain was only spared a civil war spreading from Ulster by the outbreak of the First World War, just as 1640s Protestant settler refugees from Ulster fleeing to London helped spark the conditions for England’s only civil war the state chooses to refer to as such. The Glorious Revolution, still referred to as such for its foundational role in the wavering modern liberal-democratic order, is still celebrated for its climactic Boyne victory every summer by Ulster Loyalists, albeit for their own Irish reasons. Unlike a growing number on the Right, or even in ordinary life, I believe the modern British state is very far from outright conflict. Yet disturbances of a lesser kind, for being less grave in their consequences, are surely more likely to spread, and to become our new, so easily avoidable, normal.
>Many of last year’s English rioters, given the epicentre of the disturbances in northwest England, were of Irish descent and may, like that other child of the Irish diaspora, Tommy Robinson, have kept up with events across the water. Even the English movement’s two political martyrs, Lucy Connolly and Peter Lynch, bear good Gaelic surnames, just like Reform’s Epping candidate and female organiser, as well as many of the Homeland Party’s public faces. Whether this signifies successful Irish diaspora assimilation into Britishness is perhaps a deeper question than you might initially think. Similarly, the “No Surrender” slogan on the English flag borne by masked Canary Wharf protestors nods to the interest in Ulster Loyalism apparent in some London football firms, something also true of the British radical Right in the Seventies and Eighties.
>The Euro ‘96 effect, beloved of Fabian commentators still trapped in that halcyon age, appears under pressure. In England, flags are re-adopting a territorial nationalist or communitarian quality, just as they always have in Northern Ireland and as is increasingly the case with the Palestine flag in South Asian Muslim areas of Britain. Yet the similar ambiguities over the politics of the flag, sometimes civic and sometimes ethnic nationalist, is also true in the case of Scotland and Wales, if there deriving from Britain’s foundational ethnic conflicts. How the new politics of mass migration will interact with the Westminster state’s already fraught management of three existing ethnic separatist movements is so far an unknown quantity. Through its own ineptitude, Britain’s political class has created a situation of almost unimaginable complexity, whose outcome is impossible to predict.
>While there are many similarities between the current wave of English protests and Ireland’s longer-running ones, the existence in England of two political parties more than tacitly backing mass mobilisation is a major difference, let alone the fact that one of these parties is currently topping the polls. The current asylum hotel protests have seen Reform tack back away from the centre and towards chasing the angry public mood, here defined as the increasingly radicalised Facebook comment sections of provincial news websites. Yet if England’s provinces are adopting the aggrieved, conditionally loyal attitudes of Ulster Loyalists, Reform increasingly appears as the equivalent of the mainstream Unionist parties, uneasily representing their volatile support base while disavowing its methods. Labour, on paper, possesses four more years to dampen the angry public mood: but given the extent of radicalisation over the party’s first year in power, it is difficult to imagine what British politics will look like by 2029.
>Where the Republic of Ireland differs is that the “mammy-at-the-forefront” legal protests against planned asylum centres coexist with the social pressures of public shaming and intimidation, and the sporadic, and mostly nocturnal arson, of migration infrastructure. I’ve often toyed with writing about the historic line from the Land Wars, and Ireland’s earlier rural outrages and peasant mobilisation, to Ireland’s current popular insurgency. Now I find it hard to believe that England is many years away from such direct activism. If anything, the attempted burning of occupied migrant housing in last year’s English riots went far beyond the Irish arson wave on unoccupied centres. Yet while the Republic of Ireland is a few stages ahead of Britain — in terms of the focussed application of violence against the infrastructure of mass migration — it is certainly not approaching the civil war scenario which Britain’s mainstream Right is now rhetorically toying with, and nor, I would say, are we. At least, not yet.
>But if English rioters have drawn a lesson from Ballymena, it is that, judiciously applied, violence works: far more quickly and decisively than voting anyway. Five years ago, the British state bent its knee to a wave of protests and rioting over explicitly racialised solidarity with a different ethnic group thousands of miles away. Why would it not buckle further before the previously dormant, and now increasingly volatile, majority ethnic population? Even in Northern Ireland, as the Guardian recently observed, the Ballymena riots were successful on their own terms: “of the approximate pre-riot [Roma] population of 1,200, two-thirds are gone — or, to use a loaded term, ethnically cleansed.” For the residents of Epping, similar methods have proved equally effective. This is not a lesson a serious state should be imparting to its populace, but it is the situation the British state has now created for itself.
>Unlike Northern Ireland, where rioting is traditionally confined to “interface areas” where working-class sections of the two dominant ethnic groups abut each other, in England this summer any migrant facility could be the spark of protest, and any protest could become a riot. Most will be peaceful, will fizzle out, or just won’t draw numbers. But planning and preparing for the rare occasions where violence does occur will strain Westminster’s capacity to respond. The policy of dispersing migrant housing across the country has only dispersed the opportunities for protest. Last year, it was the North; this year, so far, Eastern England. Angela Rayner’s solution is apparently to replace the hotels with private rented accommodation in residential areas. But Ballymena shows the risks with this approach. For a state whose every budgetary decision is now being associated with mass migration and its consequences, then whatever it says about the future path of the Westminster system, the policing costs of this apparent new reality will be enormous.
>As in Northern Ireland, meanwhile, the police itself — its ethos, its tactical decisions and its demographic make-up — will become a source of political contention. As for adventures abroad, or the approaching world war the Westminster state continually warns us of, I do not see the young men of Epping or Diss eagerly answering Whitehall’s future call to star in a drone snuff video. Just like Ireland in the First World War, and Northern Ireland in the Second, even conscription now looks untenable within the British state’s former English heartland. Given the international commitments it has adopted towards other countries’ borders, this presents a major problem. A government excessively enamoured with the opinion of global elites, even by the standards of the Westminster establishment, will now find that political paralysis at home through recurrent ethnic rioting is also Not A Good Look.
>The Westminster state has spun itself into a web of legal, moral and essentially aesthetic obligations which it cannot easily escape, in its current form anyway. How can Starmer smash the gangs when the biggest smuggling gang of all — in its lavish inducements to game the asylum process, and its fawning attitude to the rent-seeking and grey economies propped up by mass migration — is the British state itself? The gangs to be smashed all sit in Whitehall offices: yet neither Starmer, nor maybe even Farage, are temperamentally inclined to the task ahead. Perhaps this, more than the external displays of flags or rioting, marks the real Ulsterisation underway this summer. Holding or ceding Northern Ireland is a manageable headache for Westminster, which correctly treats the statelet like its own self-contained universe. But losing legitimacy in England is an existential problem for the British state. However this ends — and there are many potential outcomes, a few of them positive — whoever succeeds Starmer will face a daunting, and perhaps impossible task. As for the current government, the danger is that for its opponents on the street, England’s Ulsterisation increasingly appears less a threat than an exciting new opportunity. >>2405742This wasn't "the longhouse", this was literally porn company lobbying.
Mindgeek owns the verification service and knows it can use it to (a) disadvantage their competitors and smaller independent sites, and (b) get more people to pay for porn, since the primary barrier to them doing so is "ugh, fuck the effort of giving them my card details", but if you've got to give them your face and card details to watch porn anyway…
>>2405822my nightmare scenario is: england is fine, but scotland picks up all the crank freak retards who failed to make it in the greens/snp for being tedious, bigoted, and stupid. the party then winds up poisoned by association. (because purging the scottish wing would basically remove them from part of the country, but not purging it means they're okay with whatever stupid bullshit they do)
>>2405822Almost 100 fucking percent.
The biggest issue with the Western Left is actually having a backbone to stand up to fucking schizos and mentally ill retards who use Leftism as a vehicle to push their own pet issues.
Literally watched a pretty large notable Communist party about 15 years ago I was a part of get torn to absolute shreds by a BPD wrecker, and people who tried to call out her obvious narcissistic victim complex wrecking and just said "Have you gone to a therapist?", "Have you heard of BPD?" literally got called abelist by her the rest of the group and booted (She also claimed yes, and she's not BPD).
The hilarious thing is, she was actually good childhood friends with one of my best friends, so I knew for a FACT she was diagnosed BPD. Instead of wading in, I just Michael Jackson popcorn gif watched it all go down then left myself because the one thing I hate the most in the left is the sheer naivete about shitty, unstable, predatory people.
>>2406112well, tax revenues raised last year came to £1.1 trillion - so at least that much is paid in.
>>2406156nigel should "touch grass" as the youfs say.
>>2406221enoch powell was a tory melt who even got BTFO by oswald mosely in the 60s, since mosely wanted monetary sovereignty and autarky in national industry (while powell wanted a gold standard and le free market). thatcher is the daughter of powell and blair is the son of thatcher.
>>2406456Nope.
Look at the ridiculous DSA conference and how a lot of the old DSA Marxist guard got purged under bad faith "ableism" accusations including attempts to purge Amber herself due to not bowing down to Woke Oppression olympics crap. Another notable example is Occupy, who literally purged the Marxist and Union working groups for being mostly white and male.
The Left has a huge issue with telling people who are percieved as "vulnerable" to shut the fuck up with their pet issues and go to a Mental health support group or whatever.
You will absolutely see it in this new party. Corbyn's biggest issue was to put his foot down and stop wrecking and people going off half cocked when he was Labour leader.
>>2406521Literally no point to intervene, I didn't see the initial salvo's of the breakdown, and the people that did have a backbone to try stop her and call her out, were then literally harassed and forced out with accusations of ableism and victim blaming and all sorts of bullshit nonsense to coddle the unhinghed mind of a BPD chick.
When I see that, I already know most people there have no common sense and the organization is doomed. I'm not going to waste my time with dumbasses who can't call out a BPD power tripping whore in the middle of a complete psychotic breakdown making deranged accusations that everyone knows are clearly false but play along with because "Believe all women" and "Ableism" bullshit.
I've called out Schizos and Mentally ill people tonnes of times on the Left for using Leftist groups as their trauma dumping, victim complex self help therapy group, and I'm the one who gets into shit for it, every time.
Again, if the new Corbyn project doesn't vet people well, and I have no confidence it will after Labour Corbyn leadership, then it's going to be torn apart by people pushing all their bullshit pet issues and mentally ill nutters making the party look like complete psychopaths in the press.
Every Muslim member better be forced to scrub their entire Social media history on entry as well, because that is going to be an obvious target for the press and opposition.
>>2406515the main wreckers won't be the mentally ill BPD freaks, they'll be, in ranked order.
1. boomer transphobes who want the party to adopt the exact same line as literally every other mainstream party, machine gunning its feet by giving the young a clear an unambiguous reason to prefer the greens. a moronic idea that can only tar corbyn by association with their stupidity.
2. assorted rape-cult freaks who only want to use it as a vehicle to boost their ~500 member cult to a 550 member cult, not caring if it fucks over a 400,000 member org to do so.
3. the fact nobody on the left understands the first thing about organization or managing an institution that can deliver on a goal.
you can, i suppose, consider the first two a variety of mental illness. but i think it'll wind up dysfunctional for different reasons.
>>2406656there are a few other areas where he's deranged, which is a shame because he really does get close on some important issues.
if Jeremy Corbyn had won the 2017 election with an overwhelming majority made up entirely of loyal MPs, it's still overwhelmingly likely that his government would have fucked it for the simple reason that the state itself is not capable of implementing policy effectively. forget the question of whether reheated social democracy would work if implemented:
can it be implemented? what makes you think that a government that can't build a railway can do
anything?
>>2406726Not that I recall anyone in particular.
>>2406729That's not what that particular poster is whining about
>>2406759Not at all.
Weird one is why like 30% of fucking Zoomer women are walking around with fucking canes or are in wheel chairs which they pop up from and walk around.
>>2406817YES, mate.
im glad im not the only one who (((noticed))) the bloody disabled larp thats going on, especially with lesbians.
>>2406818>>2406656Main thing Cummings is correct on is how British institutions and the bureaucracy literally refuse any and all fucking reforms, and the bureaucracy basically won't do their fucking jobs and will purposely drag their feet on policies.
As someone who watches Chinese politics intently, it's pretty insane how clear it is the British bureaucracy and Establishment largely refuse any and all fucking reforms, even if it's just straight up improving their own fucking processes.
Just look at the Hospital thing in the China thread. This is easily something the NHS could be upgrading with, but they NEVER fucking will because processes will grind the process down to take 10 fucking years of "meetings" and "reports" before they quietly just shelve the idea completely.
>>2406818Was walking around area where Charlie XCX was playing, I mean, noticing Zoomers literally go out of their way to look as fucking hideously ugly as humanly possible was interesting enough, but on the way out, saw fat fucking cane zoomer LARPers, literally sprint down the fucking stairs to get to the train lmao.
This one is a wild LARP, honestly they have no shame. I should literally go to the next big Zoomer concert retard LARPing like Cartman did in that south park episode then call Zoomers ableist when they call me out.
>>2406815>but everyone gave a massive shrug at this.The double standards in relation to Corbyn, are so fucking brazen, I cannot take it as anything but just outright on purpose gaslighting, and gaslighting that is OBVIOUSLY brazen and full of shit, that they do just as a pure power play because they know they will 100% get away with it.
It was one of the main reasons that solidified my position my position that the Labour Right are functionally, collective narcissism the political faction.
You can see Zionists and swaths of the Jewish Community and figures do the exact same thing. Brazen fucking lying and gaslighting, then smugly using the fact they are getting away with it to essentially mock opposition.
>>2406833a good stat he pulled out was the fact that it can take over 20 years to complete government projects. all in all, i do think a reboot on government is necessary, fit with a new constitution.
>ugly zoomersyeah, the wheelchairs, the nose rings, the obesity - all a bit much for me. deficient human capital, as they say.
>>2406839>i do think a reboot on government is necessary, fit with a new constitution.This is something if I had the money for, I would actually try create a political party around, just at least to get some articles out there "creating the conversation."
Federalization of the UK and England having multiple state level Governments, Proportional Representation Upper house, pruning a lot of the fucking MPs (why fuck are there 650 MPs in the lower house alone? Cut that shit down to 400 to bring it in line with other Westminster countries), ranked choiced voting.
Government SOEs should be established for Nation Building along with an independent Anti corruption watchdog that actually has strong prosecution powers. (think China's National Supervisory Commission)
Definitely the bare minimum needed to get the UK back to actually being somewhat functional.
>>2406850my greatest political desire would be to create a law code which can fit into a single textbook, so that anyone can read it for themselves. i would also like complete transparency for government activity, such as a detailed list of public expenditures and so on. also, i would follow the platonic ethic of limiting the salary of all politicians down to the minimum wage - further regulations have been suggested by others, such as politicians requiring families, physical fitness, etc.
i would also like to scrap the 1p, 2p and 5p coin, so that the 10p denomination is the basis of a new, simplified currency system.
a lot of issues would also be helped if you just got rid of the hatespeech malarkey. it would at least save us millions of pounds in internet taskforce units.
on the police, they should be cut by at least 50%
and we bring back capital punishment, of course.
>>2406850>>2406868i also think residential properties should be built for young people (18-25) in the style of premier inn hotels, with CCTV in every hallway and security in the lobby. these should replace most flat tower blocks.
all new housing development should require detached houses only (nothing i can stand less than a lovely house which is semi-detached for no good reason).
also, the job centre should actually provide jobs.
>>2407149It’s a terrible idea
>Firstly: that’s just a rip off of the name of the German party that might suggest its part of a multinational party>Secondly: it creates ambiguity the newspapers will have an absolute field day with, playing it fast and lose with whether they’re talking about “The Left” the party or “The Left” the general concept of not being a rightoid>Thirdly: it implies they’re planning the party to be a big tent party that includes anyone who considers themselves left-wing. Big tent parties work for political conservatives who may strongly disagree on the age of consent and the death penalty, but are unbreakably unified by the desire to maintain that the rich ought to stay rich and the poor ought to stay poor. Affecting genuine social change requires concise ideas and policies that people can adopt, waltzing in to parliament with the claim that you’re here to chew bubblegum and radically change society and you’re all out of bubblegum, armed only with a massive, disorganised and often contradictory ideals that a future government is to be based on won’t cut itEven despite being an ML, I’d sooner get behind an unapologetically anarchist movement than something that wants to appeal to both the “property is theft!” crowd and the “well I think current rich people are naughty and should be taxed a lot more, but I don’t think people should be entirely prevented from being rich, if they worked hard and improved society somewhat!” crowd
>>2406944The messaging of the new party should be consistent with this perspective: The Labour Party and the Tories are becoming irrelevant, the "Reform" party is becoming the big enemy. What contrasts with this name?
1.
Revolution.
2.
Transform.
>B-b-but you can't do that as there already is a group of six people named that?Who cares! (Five of them have already signed up on Sultana's list anyway.)
>>2407200if they call the party 'revolution' they'll probably get instantly put on the proscribed org list lol
but the more serious point is that most of their audience probably prefers to imagine reform than revolution
>>2407164In the UK those two positions are equally radical and unacceptable.
>>2407200I'm not a fan of those, but "revolution" would be funny (to a small set of Revolution voters, anyway) because you could pose the next election as a choice between "Reform or Revolution?"
>>2407274It "is", insofar as it's a thing. I've never seen it irl, i'm only familiar with it because of Americans like Freddie DeBoer whining about it.
If I'm honest, I'd speculate that while there are a handful of LARPers, anon probably lives in an area with a higher disability rate than average, and I live in one that's at-or-below average. >BAMEs don't like outdoors/Rural areas because they culturally associate it mostly with just poverty, people living in huts, vagrants etc.
>Huge swath of the Center-Left "Why is hiking so racist?"
Unironically, why is this even a problem? It really comes off as just middle class white center-left/left white people just pissed that BAMEs don't confirm to "white" middle class cultural signifiers, and the only reason that could be the case is because of racism, not because of cultural differences and views on the outdoors/rural areas. It's not just BAMEs as well, it's pretty common for people from the Global South to associate outdoors/rural areas with poverty, danger, vagrancy, crime etc, I've had tonnes of Eastern Europeans also give me the exact same "Why in fuck would I want to hang around some dirty woods? That's for dirty hobos and hippies" spiel.
But also, how is this a problem for "white people"? It's not "white people"'s fault that BAMEs don't like the outdoors. It has nothing to do with "racism" at all.
Also love that second article, where it's "racist" to tell black people to stop fly tipping and blasting loud music on hiking trails. Also "Reclaiming" from what? Isn't the issue that BAMEs are not into hiking to begin with?
It's these sorts of articles that really give the left a bad name, it's just grasping at straws to shit on "white people" for no reason.
Truth be told, the yookay these days doesn't even qualify as a banana republic, just because there's no republic, but the banana part is going strong.
In order to travel here, I had to submit some nonsense through an app I had to download on my phone and then I also had to pay SIXTEEN QUID right on the spot without any warranty the application would be accepted. Luckily I got a positive reply after just a minute, but they said it could take up to THREE BLOODY WORKING DAYS. Also, the thing will be valid for two years.
But what bothered me the most was that I had to declare that I wasn't a member of any "proscribed" organisation and I didn't hold any "extremist" or some bollocks views. I mean, the Bri'ish goverment is an extremist organisation and it should be proscribed today, same with the labour and conservative parties.
And now, this "no wank" internet thing. We really got to the "mate, can I see your wonking loycense"?
>>2407682labour are a far right party, not "left"
>>2407790tories and tory-lite being good goys
>>2407816As expected the graph is completely fake and made up shit; typical of /pol/ and 4chan retards who make bar graphs than ascribe it to random studies.
This is the only race-based question on the entire survey that it "cites". As you can tell, this question is completely innocent and cannot measure "in group bias" in any way lmao.
>>2407825and theres also the fact his 2500 sample size become utterly meaningless when separated by race, theres only 46 asian, and 250 black/hispanic compared to 1600 "whites", and the scale isnt clearly labelled
although this pales in comparison to what you noticed which makes it straight up lying
>>2407825>graph is fakeno it isnt… the graph displays the results from the relative questions. thats why the source is attached to it. do you not understand empirical studies or statistics?
>you cant measure group biasyes you can…
there were also more questions which you failed to highlight from the survey (picrel). the category of questions you cherrypicked from is literally centred around "group empathy". should have scrolled up. 🤷🏻♂️
>>2407848survey results work per capita. larger sample sizes give more accurate results, but there is always a minimal threshold. how many asians included would be acceptable to you?
>>2407860Again all these questions cannot properly quantify "in group bias".
>Irish, Italians, Jewish and many other minorities overcame prejudice and worked their way up. Blacks should do the same without any special favorsHOLY LOADED QUESTION. This is not a serious survey. So if a Black person checks "disagree strongly" because their initial hunch is "but none of those groups were enslaved" they would be rated as +100 to "ingroup bias"? How does that make any sense whatsoever?
Again, show me this exact bar graph
>>2407802How was the data calculated? I opened the raw data and there are 2700+ caseid entries. The survey said they only surveyed 2500 people. The survey can't even tell the TRUTH about the NUMBER of people who entered into the survey. And when I'm checking the raw data it also revealed that many people didn't complete all the questions in the survey so there's people who literally did a few questions and stopped and quit and didn't bother with the rest. -1, -7, and -4 all indicate people skipping questions, refusing to answer, or data errors. Go through the raw data and look at how utterly FUCKED this survey is with the amount of data errors and non-answers on the emp_concern questions.
FURTHERMORE this was done via INTERNET like every other shitty non-scientific survey ever done. According to ANES people who contribute are incentivized to QUICKLY COMPLETE SURVEYS because if they complete 40 surveys they get a gift card. There is nothing stopping people from literally clicking on a random answer every time just to pretend like they did the survey.
tl;dr you are still wrong. The bar graph is still fake.
>>2407883about to be. thank fuck for that.
His main audience is yanks anyway.
>>2407886>all these questions cannot properly quantify "in group bias".yes you can; read the "group empathy" questions
>number of people in surveythe case records 2500 "completed" surveys, so the rest are decidedly incomplete
>The bar graph is still fake.you dont seem to know what "fake" means
>>2407865>survey results work per capita. larger sample sizes give more accurate resultsyou're fucking retarded and dont know how stats work
when you're separating your sample - whether by gender, race or any other metric, you're effectively reducing the sample size to each of those categories, it doesnt matter how much they are in the general population or what the initial sample was.
also whites dont really suffer from systemic discrimination in USA, so its pretty obvious anyone white with half a brain dont think its "important that whites work together to change laws that are unfair to whites" and ofc you are more often "concerned for people from another ethnic group" when they represent a bigger share of the disenfranchised and can actually suffer from job or police discrimination
and it still doesnt tell me what this "mean" scale actually means. Percentage? Of what, all the racially coded question?
your framing is pure dishonesty
>>2407939>>2407941youre not yourself when youre hungry.
have a snickers.
>>2407971>ntasure.
>wrongwrong about what? i posted a study. you dont like the results. you sperg out. im not your carer, so cant calm you down, can i?
>>2407894There is easily more than 200 people who skipped questions related to the empathy set. Open the raw data in excel and cntrl f "-1, -4, -7" individually in the empathy columns and count up the insane amount of nonreplies. The survey is trash.
>You don't know what fake meansPoint to me where in the raw data someone tabulated variables for "median racial in bias". You can't because it doesn't exist. 4chan took this survey and made up bullshit to throw on top of it.
>>2408061>There is easily more than 200 people who skipped questionsyes, as it is stipulated on the study homepage:
>The ANES 2018 Pilot Study Auxiliary Unmatched Data File provides data from an additional 277 unweighted respondents for use in methodological analysishttps://electionstudies.org/data-center/2018-pilot-study/>Point to me where in the raw data someone tabulated variables for "median racial in bias"in the guidebook, the tabulations dont include that particular variable, but interpretation can be made from results relating to "group empathy" ("emp_"). a more precise terminology for the graph would then read "levels of empathy for one's own race" with white leftists having the the lowest results. if we extrapolate this to conversely mean "highest empathy for other races" then this would correlate - obviously.
>>2408110I'm willing to go over every single finished survey response in the raw data to BTFO your bullshit but I don't have time right now due to work and family stuff. If you don't want to look at the raw data fine I'll fucking rape you to death sometime this coming weekend because I know all /pol/ did was make a bar graph, slap some random numbers on it, and claim the study led to that graph. From the raw data alone I can already see like 80% of the replies are invalid because so many people skipped questions but I'll manually calculate every finished response when I have the time to prove to you that /pol/ made shit up. Also I note that you never addressed me pointing out that the survey was done online and people are incentivized to complete it fast for a gift card.
Onlien surveys are retarded because people can essily lie about their race online but I'll finish BTFO you later this week.
>>2408306Eh, the Right have been talking about this for ages. It's been known about for a long time that Muslim officers of SYP were part of the rape gangs. It's part of the rape Gangs I always found most interesting (mostly because I fucking HATE SYP), I remember an article or post maybe detailing the police involvement years ago. Basically that SYP officers would cover for and warn rape gangs of police operations coming to get them, there was also some process that even if a rapist was arrested, he would basically get covered for and released immediately without charge.
It's actually surprising to me that this part of the rape gangs wasn't more well known. Maybe because I lived in Sheffield at the time, but everyone knew Police were involved and there was pretty detailed explanations how.
https://theweek.com/uk-news/62397/councillors-and-police-had-sex-with-rotherham-abuse-victimsHere reporting from all the way back in 2015.
Remember as well, South Yorkshire police are arguably the most corrupt, strike breaking, anti-working class police force in the country. The amount of nation rocking scandals from SYP and WYP honestly has me shocked they haven't been completely dissolved and a new policing organization hasn't been made to take their place.
>>2408331it still puts a hole in the idea that the reason SYP covered it up is because they were "afraid of being seen to be racist" rather than because they were
involved themselves and distracted from that by feeding the press the line that they wanted to hear. not one british newspaper gives a fuck about the victims, but rage-inducing headlines about how loony-left antiracism policies mean the police have to let rapists off? you and your editor will be eating good for a while…
>>2408683I think the racism allegations are somewhat true, but more for the modern day (2000s+) rather than stretching back to the 60s, which these rape gangs are suspected too. Known too many friends in Government jobs who are absolutely unhinged paranoid about media narratives around their jobs and even talking about politics in public god forbid a journalist overhear (because that totally happens).
As someone who lived in Sheffield, the rape gangs are 100% still around, I know this as a fact because I personally was involved in the rescue of a teenage girl from one in Burngreave in like 2022.
The issue is that this behaviour is systematic and absolutely 100% normalized within the Pakistani community, so literally going after the rape gangs at full force would likely be largely a massive operation against the Pakistani community as a whole.
The situation with the girl as well, thinking back on it, the only thing I can honestly think that situation came about from, is that people in social services/council, are specifcally feeding girls into the hands of the rape gangs, because why would they put a white 15 year old girl, in "emergency housing" in a house filled with Pakistani men, in Burngreave. Didn't think much of it at the time beyond "that's fucking stupid of them", but looking back on it, with understanding of how the rape gangs worked with police, it's very suspicious.
It makes me think that police investigations, would also have to target for example, Pakistani's working in council jobs and emergency services jobs etc.
Also frankly, like I've said before, this is a topic the left needs to stop being so combative about. The standard Leftist position until around 2023 was "the grooming gangs don't exist and are a made up right wing conspiracy theory". One of the most popular left wing memes of the 2010s was making fun of "Muslamic ray guns".
It's stuff like this, the Grooming Gangs, but also stuff like Chris Kaba and the 2010 riots, that really makes me raise an eyebrow at the left. Who seem to be far more interested in protecting abusers and violent antisocial criminals because to do otherwise doesn't play cleanly into radlib narratives.
>>2408242>seething this badly because i said white leftists are the most tolerant people on earthwe are probably the most mentally ill too, which you are exemplifying.
>>2408142if i did an experiment that somehow showed the earth was flat, it would still be wrong. if i did an experiment that failed to prove the earth was round, the hypothesis would still be correct. the copernican revolution shows us that the sun going around the earth and the earth going around the sun deals with the same data.
>>2408688almost like its mere tribalism - brown guy in prison? time to protest! the white right do the same thing with their gang. thats why it doesnt matter if youre a nonce; you can still be a nazi. as someone else said, the conspiracy theorists wouldnt be fighting this hard to vindicate lucy letby if she wasnt white. of course, as a universalist, i would prefer if she got the death sentence as long as axel rudakubana was hanged as well.
>>2408713i have no interest in letby for tribal reasons but keep an open mind because
a) even if she's guilty, some of the statistical evidence deployed at the trial was nonsense and there should be some fallout from that. it's not enough to get the right answer, if you used the wrong process you need to learn lessons
b) i have zero faith in the rule of law in this country or the capacity for its institutions to come to correct conclusions. cockup, conspiracy, or cockspiracy, it doesn't matter, there's no benefit of the doubt.
c) a lot of people online who're sort of 70% correct, 30% wrong on politics came down too fast, too hard on the americans who insisted on her innocence and it made me suspicious given their patchy track record for "going along with a british establishment witch hunt during the early phase where there are arguments on both sides"
(coincidentally, this was around the same time they were all performatively disavowing 'eyuplovely' on twitter, which i also found fascinating.)
>>2408735James Schneider is the co-founder of momentum, among other things. Generally a close Corbyn ally. He's is also married to Sophie Nazemi, who is Downing Street Press Secretary (A position directly appointed by the PM!)
He's got a Wikipedia page, she doesn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Schneider>>2408756Are you not inherently suspicious of the fact that everyone of with influence whatsoever in this country knows (and is usually directly related to) everyone else with influence?
(Also, got a source on him being the campaign manager? I'm not going to pretend he wasn't in close, but best I can find is his older role as "director of strategic communications") >>2408713>almost like its mere tribalism - brown guy in prison? time to protest! the white right do the same thing with their gang. thats why it doesnt matter if youre a nonce; you can still be a nazi.I agree with this. Notice that nobody in the UK has ever done an investigation into the Orthodox Jewish community and how they protect pedophiles and ship them off to Israel.
When done looking at Orthodox Jewish communities in the US, the term used to talk about the scale was "A conveyer belt of child sexual abuse".
You also obviously have the church and it's noncery as well.
That said, I still dislike how the left strongly want to downplay the rape gangs. Like it or not, they did exist, and are largely normalized within the Pakistani community. It reminds me of that movie Four Lions, where the wife and kid, just saw being a Terrorist and engaging in mass murder for Islam, as completely normal and justified thing to do, the Wife was literally a nurse who is supposed to help people. That movie was also based heavily on the case files of real people caught by law enforcement around Sheffield.
Like I've always said, not against immigration or whatever. But the UK should have never allowed ethnic enclaves to form, and there absolutely should have been 1000x more to enforce civic and british cultural norms.
>>2408807Can we please get a record keeping of all the Pro-Genocide statements, front pages etc from Politicians and Journos.
I want something to be able to email the hague when the ICC case finally goes ahead.
>>2408847Over time, you realise that there are only three kinds of former Soviet/Communist citizens that abjectly despise any kind of positive opinion on their former countries
>Those who are rich under capitalism>Those who see the entire Soviet period just being another part of the centuries old conflict their nation has with Russia, who had briefly defeated and humiliated them by making them Communists>Those who have a family mythos about wealth prior to Communism that was “stolen”, often accompanied by an assertion that the Nazis never stole from their great-grandmother’s farmThe second type is by far the most prevalent outside of Russia as it’s a good impetus for joining NATO, I think the third is slightly more common within Russia but seemingly still fairly common elsewhere.
Ultimately our perspective of how many people were thrilled to see the fall of the wall is warped by the reality all three types end up being simps for the west and thus more likely to speak English and engage with English speaking platforms.
>>2408836>terrorismthe terrorists of the french revolution actually performed a political act; contemporary terrorism is strictly anti-political. thats why it attracts the right. we see both islamists and nazis attack the innocent public rather than those in power, which tells you all you need to know.
>ethnic enclaveswell, you either have integration or segregation.
if people think forcing integration is racist, then you have segregation de facto, which increases tribalism.
>>2408944Was thinking this earlier today when I was in a conversation about teens buming around and littering in my flat's stairwell, if I was a teen, there is literally NOWHERE to hang anymore indoors around here.
Back when I was a teen there were at least arcades, LAN Cafes and youth centers that had pool and snooker and warhammer and such, but none of that exists really anymore.
>>2408961Pre-Caffinated Mountain Dew was GOAT. Bundaberg Ginger Beer is probably the best soft drink around atm though.
>>2408713>if i did an experiment that somehow showed the earth was flat, it would still be wrong. if i did an experiment that failed to prove the earth was round, the hypothesis would still be correct.If your mum had wheels, she would be a truck. This doesn't mean much.
Also like scientific revolution don't usually come with experiments showing certain things, but with predicting future phenomena in a way previous theories can't or won't with a higher accuracy.
>>2409106>city of londonthe city of london is a sovereign territory akin to the district of columbia or vatican city, which is not subject to the british state. in "children of men", this is where the rich fence themselves off from social ruin, since they also have a private police force that can kill any intruder. this is indeed separate from the county of greater london, which includes 32 boroughs and the city of london (33 in total - interesting number that, innit? 🤔). this larger area, extending to the whole UK is disposable material to the insulated ruling class who "just dont think about it" (well, even then we cant be too sure).
https://www.thecityofldn.com/our-story/<In fact, the City of London has its own government (the oldest in the country with origins pre-dating Parliament), its own Lord Mayor, as well as an independent police force.https://britainexplained.com/what-is-the-city-of-london/<The City of London still has its own mayor, called the Lord Mayor of London (not the same as the Mayor of London). The Lord Mayor is the head of the City of London Corporation, selected from elected councillors called Aldermen. The Lord Mayor’s official residence is the Mansion House. It even has its own police service, the City of London Police (the police service for the rest of London is known as the Metropolitan Police, or Met Police). Just remembered that time in 2013 when the press hounded a random woman to her death for a trivial story and were specifically blamed by the coroner but nobody suffered any consequences whatsoever
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Lucy_MeadowsSuch is life (and death) in Britain
>>2409106my biggest issue with gary stevenson is that he has slogans, but has never demonstrated an empirical framework for his policies, since he gives no details as to their potential implementation. for example, what level of wealth constitutes its eligibility for taxation? at what rate is this wealth taxed? does "tax wealth, not work" mean a change in policy toward income tax? and so on. he seems to be selling something rather than building it. as he put it in his return video, he is looking to be a political consultant like he was for banks - so he really just wants a job.
the mere populism of "tax the rich" is also not just absurdly unprofound; it misses the fact that its the rich who already pay the most into the system by proportion (such that london's tax revenue by itself is greater than wales and scotland combined). also, why not tackle inequality by limiting property ownership? why not distribute empty houses to people who can pay a reduced mortgage on them? the real inequality is not monetary; its in equity. this is why you cannot tax your way out of the issue - you have to redistribute appreciable assets, like landed property, rather than depreciating assets, like money. even thatcher understood this when she allowed council homes to be bought by tenants. ownership is necessary.
>>2410187I assume TERFism just absorbed all the homophobia that rightly got legal protections against, that’s why there’s a huge focus on public toilets, because while laws are relatively easy to pass that says
>no two men kissing in public was not provoking anyone, thinking it was a provocation and acting on that is a hate crime, mind your own business next timegiven the hysteria that some men might spend their entire lives “pretending” to be a woman just to get access to the women’s bathroom is less easy, lawfully, to reason is not the business of anyone else.
But of course when you say that’s something that cis women ought to have an opinion on, then we’re back to square one where men kissing in public ought to be banned because it’s of some heterosexual’s opinion it’s bad/uncomfortable/provoking/harming the youth
Why this is getting so much support by the highest echelons of our society? Simply division is good for them, they’re also cunts who generally abhor the “scum” for not having to live by the same formalities they did in their toff upbringing
>>2410217petite bourgeois kulak detected
all land should be nationalized and everyone forced into collective farms
>>2409534I've had plenty of culturally muslim (atheist, but were raised muslim) friends outright say, the only difference between the rest of their community and ISIS, is application. The beliefs are largely 1:1 exactly the same.
It's not only Muslims though, Jews are absolutely on the level of Evangelical Christians in states like the US and Australia, in pushing their bullshit agendas and playing massive lawfare and legislative games to get their way.
I can tell you right now, a large portion of the bootlicking of Religious extremism, is because the Left put itself in opposition to the New Atheist movement, the left then started bootlicking Islamists (to the point literally protesting ex-muslim women talking about abuse they suffered in Islamic countries) and treating all atheism as cringe fedora tipping. Even if Atheism got a bit cringe, Atheists at their worst are nowhere near as bad as the standard religous nutter.
I think I stated in another thread, lots of my friends were turbo religious in how they were raised, and it literally made them complete and total fucking schizo retards when comes to any coherent ideology or worldview, even after they "lost" organized religion, they just shifted to believing new age wackery, and UFO stuff.
>>2410138In the UK, Northern Ireland. More of an issue though in countries like the US, Australia, Canada, Italy, Eastern Europe etc.
>>2410144Not the biggest fan of Stevenson due to his "i'm so working class and don't care vibe" but I understand he's more to appeal to the Joe Rogan, gymbro crowd.
That said, I agree, I'm way more policy wonk here, and I think one of the main issues with the left is the complete failure of detailed policy beyond just vibes.
> the real inequality is not monetary; its in equity. this is why you cannot tax your way out of the issue - you have to redistribute appreciable assets, like landed property, rather than depreciating assets, like money.Dude is still a Economist and City Banker, he has less brainwashing, but largely is still brainwashed by his background. Classic Mistaking money for wealth.
>>2410239holding land in this context means owning somewhere to live, rather than being a subject of speculation. everyone farming would be retarded since we already have farms for that.
>>2410240thats why i suggest a reduction of mortgage payments rather than giving things away for free, since you still need the time-frame to grant investment in a property. i would also say that a new regulation could be that you can only sell residential property to fellow citizens, so that anyone who actually wanted to own a house in the UK has to live in the UK.
>>2410245>anti-immigration protestsno mention of pensioners being classified as terrorists for opposing genocide? even the US is making steps into criminalising anti-israeli sentiment.
>>2410292>If everyone owns somewhere to live, what happens when you want to move?you check on property markets, no? every house either rented or sold is still owned by someone else.
>What happens with empty houses once everyone has a house?well, ideally, they would be converted into council housing. not everyone would own a house, since as i said, you need mortgages to secure an investment. many would still be tenants of the state in council homes. not everyone could or should own property.
>>2407197Down with privatization
Up with social taxation
Up with stoning the gays
>>2407802From my experience, 100% true, but this is because culture is heavily identified with ethnicity.
At my school, I will always remember, that black kids, hung in groups of black kids, arab kids together, indian kids together, East asian kids together. It was only ever white groups that had some form of mixing, or white kids often sort of tried to mix with other ethnic groups.
Also know from my black co-workers, they have absolutely WILD beliefs about white people, and how blacks will never truly integrate with white people culturally because whites will "never understand them", most black girls i've known have outright said they could not date white guys long term due to cultural differences.
Another big difference is again, White Liberals, as per the enlightenment, have taken on a dignity culture, that all humans have inherent worth and a level of respect, where most other cultures are honour based cultures, where worth and respect have to be earned, and you have no worth or respect from baseline. For the average Muslim or Indian, white women are trash whores from baseline, because they don't adhere to cultural modest baseline in those cultures that would earn you respect, thus worth.
Look also how much WHITE Conservatives go on about "earning respect" and "proving yourself" and "bootstrapping", this is again, because Conservatives, run largely again, on a honour culture, and to them, most minorities, do not again, adhere, to standard baseline on certain things, to be worthy of "respect" thus, they have no worth.
>>2407197Only major issue for the left is economic and class. That is all. If someone personally was a raving misogynist or racist, would still stand by them if they supported the Socialist project.
The only issue with Muslims or whatever, is they tend to use the Left as a stepping stone, then backstab the left when they are able to seize political power. This is why I never really see "supporting muslims" or any idpol minority group as any real major benefit. From LGBT to Blacks to Muslims, the moment they are able to seize their own power, all pretenses of "socialism" are dropped and they become Spicy Establishment.
>>2410869Stop fetishizing the identities of workers, least of all on the basis of race.
These videos are just lurid clickbait portrayals of the gratituties of working class life.
If you want something to obsess over, focus on the consumers of this content as these videos are just some pathetic manner of preening for the aspirant upwardly mobile prole.
>>2410861i remember around 2012 when the first black kid came to my secondary school (i live in liverpool) from nigeria. i became friends with him and there was no racial issue at all (not out of any raceblindness, just from youthful a-politicisation). the girls wanted to touch his hair and all that malarkey but there was no dehumanisation at all - it was a sign of genuine curiosity in a foreigner. i even saw this the other week where some black french kids were in maccies and all the white kids wanted to know more about them.
i do think multiculturalism works when its balanced - in the souf, communities become ghettos, so are more self-sufficient and enclosed, adding to tribalism. i do think that we need more openness to each other, but that then means breaking apart clan ties - like the enlightenment did in the west. im not utopian and think we can all hold hands in a field, but i do think a pluralist society is possible and valuable to humanity.
i think genetically speaking, white people do seem more adaptive to cultural/environmental change, which is why we get in trouble for cultural appropriation as a form of colonial consciousness, where we commodify and de-sacralise things. but this is also our liberal ethos in general, where the hope is that we can involve others in alienating themselves as being a part of a "global" community.
>>2410892>if you gave these people shelterthey honestly prefer the streets mate. you cant train wild animals.
>appropriate helpappropriateness is relative here. in all reality, these people need to be forcefully rehabilitated - they will hate it while its happening but might be grateful in the future once theyre clean. its a really bad situation.
>>2410899>you cant train wild animalsAs your parents doubtless found out.
They have no choice; the are drained of any inner sense of the capacity to determine meaning in their lives from the pressures of the world, and hence have lost any sense of self-worth or existential being, which I might add those they must beg to for pennies are privileged to be gifted with by sheer happenstance.
The idea that they're animals is exactly the ideological invective of the video; the dehuminisation and personification of the inner anxities of the viewer through portraying the contradictory and nightmareish reality such people have to live with for nothing more than profit.
It generally makes me wonder how you found this site in the first place.
>>2410905your flowery sentiments are asinine
but in any case, how would you solve the smackhead question? just give them a roof over their head and suddenly the decades of abuse reverses itself?
>>2410915Drug addiction forces individuals to confront complex or challenging behaviour; you have no choice in this when the distribution of drugs not only proliferates but thrives.
The choice is whether to address the issue as a social ill or a social wrong: in your own sorry world view, you can either rehibilitate them or let them beg for scraps on the streets.
Which would you rather?
>>2410915Also, they aren't flowery sentiments. I'm stating the reality of the real social process that occurs.
These individuals pass through a stage in which they experience not only their own symbolic but physical destitution, in which they are forced to live through a primary contradiction of being literally disinherited from their own subjectivity, as they lack the means to realise their individuality within capitalist society.
Drug addiction and homelessness then collide in shaping an individual into what you've politely termed an animal, in which they are forced to parade their existence in the open air zoo of bourgeois society. Speculising their existence, making videos of them deriding them for circumstances well and truly outside of their control - in which they are confronting conditions of chemical and biological dependencies at the same time as abyssal poverty - is nothing more typical of the vulture like and predatory behaviour British society instills in its workers.
Your consumption of that content is a direct perpetuation of the symbolic and material injustice not just that those 'animals' experience, but of the general disparity between classes. The irony is that you're just like every other prole who watches content similar to that - a pig in shit.
>>2411195A legal statute has come into effect demanding that access of age restricted content be thrown behind more stringent age verification measures, and that websites that fail to comply either face fines - if based within the UK - or risk being blocked all together if they are based outside of the UK and do not comply with the law.
In order to pass most of these age verification checks, you have to use a form of ID. Everybody can clearly see it as a passive form of state surveillance, but there's no substantial opposition to the measures, and the government has realised that in order to enforce the law they need to ban - or equally specialise - access to VPNs to prevent work arounds. The general fear is that the already tenuous legal fiction of free speech with these companies then dies as the social media companies are responsible not just for banning violent or illegal content, but enforcing a code of conduct which says that offensive material must be taken down and reported to the authorities, and that again any failure to comply risks being fined.
There's a backlash among the right as they hold the principle of free speech absolute - only insofar as it aids them - because without the propagation of more extreme views they lose their voter base.
What's clearly visible is that there is now a profit structure to free speech on the basis of its implementation as a legal fiction for these sites, which are responsive to other statutes and laws concerning hate speech. The use of age ID subsequently shifts from passive surveillance to implicit political coercion, in which the expression of viewpoints can only be made within a window of legal acceptability determined by the government of the day within Parliament.
This will be hailed as a corner stone in social responsibility for Britain as a liberal democracy, the grand irony being that in celebrating their own stupidity they affirm the general notion that in order for a capitalist democracy to function, it must engage in an explicit repression of its own political consensus.
>>2410936UK, LGBT became largely entrenched in the Tories, it was literally Tories that passed most gay rights here.
LGBT are also on average, a richer and more professionalized demographic, so their class interests generally start to move to more establishment positions. Hell LGBT largely control the creative culture output, from ads to youth culture and movies and TVs, dominated by LGBT scene. Are they pushing Socialism? Nope.
Tonnes of gay right wing figures though, hell arguably the British Far-Right was massively boosted by gays. Then you have the highest level gay in the country, and it's Wes Streeting.
Muslims, they do this shit every fucking time. Literally play the uwu poor minority group then literally grab power in a council and start instituting anti-progressive measures and double down on Muslim ingroup bullshit while telling the left to fuck itself.
Blacks, literally the same, look at the US, Black Congressional Caucus is arguably the most conservative element of the Dems and use "muh civil rights" to brush off all criticism.
Jews used to be a CORE of the Socialist/Communist movement here in the UK and in the US, Australia etc. Now literally the wealthiest and one of the most reactionary groups in the country, literally marching arm in arm with the far-right.
Identity is almost ALWAYS a losing position for the left. Because for these groups, they were only parasites attaching themselves to a wider project to get boosted up to get themselves into more favourable positions, to then make connections with Liberals. If I'm gay, and my main issues are gay issues, why in fuck am I going to tie myself long term to perennial losers that are the Socialist movement instead of just using them to leap frog to richer Liberals? This is what Socialists forget, the Solidarity only largely goes one way, for Idpol people, their pet issues are number 1 and they will drop loser Socialists for Rich Liberals every single fucking time.
>>2411126i already said that we must rehabilitate them and they should have no choice in the matter. cant stand people who entirely lack reading comprehension.
>>2411151>they are forced to live through a primary contradiction of being literally disinherited from their own subjectivityyes; their spirit has died yet their body still lives.
>Your consumption of that content is a direct perpetuation of the symbolic and material injustice so its my fault theyre smackheads then? 🤣 grow up, lad.
>provides no solutionsthanks for another poem, but im looking for solutions. notice how i want them to get better, while you want to objectify them as a political battering ram?
>>2411126Giving long term homeless homes, literally does fucking NOTHING. They do not want your homes.
If you need emergency housing due to homelessness, the wait time is only a month or two. Long term homeless do not want homes, because it comes with restrictions on their bullshit Lumpen lifestyle and attitude. Most long term homeless, are in reality, perfectly fine with their hobo, lumpenprole, antisocial lifestyle, because most of them aren't only drug addicts, but antisocial sociopaths.
I've said this numerous times but it always falls on deaf ears. I know for a fact, when I had friends in the council who directly dealt with Homelessness, they outright said, every single homeless person in the city, is there by choice. If just one of them, wanted a full fucking flat, it was there, they actually had an excess of emergency housing that wasn't being used. Every time they tried to get homeless off the streets, the flats would instantly turn into traphouses and the homeless would be right back onto the streets.
Another thing is, Homeless get absolute fucktonnes in bennies. I knew homeless people who were earning more in bennies, than I was in fulltime work. Didn't stop them from being mooching, sociopath "oh woe me" shitheads and trying to mooch off me, despite knowing for FACT I had less money than they did.
These people are literally Lumpenprole. Antisocial sociopaths who should be locked into fucking re-education camps, or asylums.
Living among these people literally made me lose any and all sympathy for them. These people are the exact type of people who would literally be in high finance jobs, absolutely laughing their assess off at buying up entire flat buildings and evicting all the people if they came from rich families. Type A, ASPD/BPD/NPD, insanely nihlistic.
>t. was "invisble" homeless over covid so had to deal with Lumpen long term homeless a lot. >>2411901Immigration is going to be the huge albatross around the neck of the left.
So much of the left tie "anti-immigration" to racism, that it makes them completely braindead on the topic. Most "Asylum seekers" aren't fleeing war. They are people from just countries that aren't even in conflict, literally coming to Europe because as I've seen they themselves mention numerous times "It's just what you do" or "It's boring where I live". What "War" are they fleeing from France or the Netherlands? What "War" is there in Vietnam, Albania, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India? The Albania one is the most egregious, as Albania is literally in the process of joining the EU, with EU membership confirmed for 2030.
>>2411922Dude, it's just fact, for emergency housing, you can be in housing, literally within a few months.
Pretty much EVERYONE who deals with long term homeless, says the same thing, they do not want to be saved, they do not want jobs, they want to live on the streets, mooch, do drugs and hang with their friend drunk and high all day. That is the lifestyle they enjoy. If a Homeless person does try to get back into normal life, they are usually shit on relentlessly by their friends and other homeless.
I dealth with long term homeless over the entire period of covid lockdown, hell I LIVED with them for a few months. Every single ""homeless"" fuckhead you see begging outside of supermarkets etc in my city, I knew them all personally because they would always be at the place I was staying, doing crack and playing FIFA.
Go actually hang around Long term homeless, actually work at a shelter for more than a few days, do it for a year, and see how many of those Long term homeless, take any of the numerous support avenues given to them. So much fucking money and support is thrown at homeless it's unreal. I swear to god, I also ATE better on food bank food, than I did on my own wage, because people donate literally the best fucking ingredients and products. (also food banks give you food to last 3 days, but in reality, the amount is literally like, 2 weeks to a month, after 1 month of food bank, I had food stocked literally for a year. What do the homeless do? Sell it for crack money at the local pubs)
Long term Homeless are not victims, they are LUMPENPROLES. They literally enjoy the fucking life. If you are getting 2k in fucking bennies, get to hang out with your friends all day and get drunk and high, while earning a hundred quid a day in begging, while in FUCK are you going to "get on your feet" and go get a shitty 1400 after tax job a month where you have to grind 40+ hours a week doing call center or labouring?
Fun fact as well, all the people begging, all those fuckheads on the Tube, literally all organized as fuck, they have timetables and everything to do their routes.
Only homeless victims are what you call the Invisible homeless, and the vast majority of Invisible homeless, are off the streets and back into accommodation in under 6 months.
Also just another truth bomb. Shitloads of long term "homeless" actually have social housing. Again, they just love the hobo lifestyle.
Sociopath Lumpenproles who should be locked in Asylums and re-education camps, unironically.
>>2411934Also food banks are limited to 3 usages over the span of around 6 months.
Stop peddling absolute horseshit because you have an axe to grind.
>>2411938No, they enjoy it. I lived with them, every time I tried them to do fucking anything that wasn't sit around and play video games or watch sport and smoke weed or crack was impossible. Even going for a walk, "Nah fag shit, match of the week is bout to come on".
Just ACCEPT that fucking shitty fucking waste of space people out there exist.
Not everyone wants to work a fucking job and have a living, lots of people, actually fucking love the bum, drug ass lifestyle. These are nihlistic sociopaths.
Again, go out and try help these people, I wonder if you will have your same naive view after being stabbed in the back for the 50th time for no fucking reason.
The vast majority of long term homeless are fucking nihlistic sociopaths. That is my experience, it is the experience of social workers, it's the experience of charity workers, it's really the experience of most long term homeless. You will never, ever get these people off the streets without literally going around, arresting them and shoving them through mass reeducation then parenting their ass hardcore like they did in the USSR, because they do not want to be off the streets.
>>2411939Dude, every food bank is different, mine was every 2 weeks. You can also easily get access to multiple food banks at once if you are organized and just get multiple homeless in different areas to refer you.
>Stop peddling absolute horseshit because you have an axe to grind.Please for the love of god, go around and volunteer at a homeless shelter every day for 6 months. I will enjoy laughing "I told you so" when you realize I'm 100% spitting fact.
Honestly, what is it with brit/pol/ and it's absolute fucking cocksucking of Lumpens, honestly unreal. Go wank off Chris Kaba some more.
>>2411934Laughing at the idea that they're recieving 2 grand as well. Most I ever got whilst homeless was 400 in UC, 80 of which went to a council charge for temporary accomodation. Most I've ever heard of someone getting is around 1200 due to PIP, UC, and ESA.
Again, if you can't stomach the idea that homelessness, drugs, and poverty twist people into crude mockeries of your own little wicker man individualism then I don't know what to tell you other than the fact that you aren't prepared for the realities of life.
I have more respect for some H addict who's learned how to game the system, and with just the right words and support can be turned from a life of drugs and homelessness into something better, than some jumped up prole who thinks they're part of the middle class because they earn over 50000 and believe recycling and polyamory are revolutionary activities. Both are parasites, it is just the latter does not have the courage to acknowledge their own condition of being one.
>>2411949>Most I've ever heard of someone getting is around 1200 due to PIP, UC, and ESA. Up to 2600 is what the one I had to literally sleep in the trap house was on when you calculated all his bennies.
>Again, if you can't stomach the idea that homelessness, drugs, and poverty twist people into crude mockeries of your own little wicker man individualism then I don't know what to tell you other than the fact that you aren't prepared for the realities of life. If you can't accept the fact that some people are just naturally sociopath human predators, and the long term homeless are largely just the ones who fucking failed, otherwise they would be out there as conmen or in finance or whatever, ruining peoples lives in some other way, I do not know what to tell you.
>I have more respect for some H addict who's learned how to game the system, and with just the right words and support can be turned from a life of drugs and homelessness into something better, than some jumped up prole who thinks they're part of the middle class because they earn over 50000 and believe recycling and polyamory are revolutionary activities.Retarded Western leftist sides with parasite Lumpen sociopaths against the Working Class. What a shocker.
>>2411951Literally am. Again, go hang out with the Long term homeless, I dare you.
>>2411952>some people are just naturally sociopath human predatorsI can accept this, I just see no distinction between those who work in finance and those who don't other than that the former possess the material means to rise above the deprivations of their own class through the form of work incidental to bourgeois society whereas the latter suffer because of a false ideological point blank refusal to assist them on the basis that they're somehow as culpable in their own self-exploitation as the idiots consuming poverty-porn content on youtube.
The only barrier of separation between them and you is that they've fallen into a sustained trap of abuse and have emerged through it, again, as a destitute subject shorn of their illusions regarding life in British society and see no need to alter their behaviour.
These are just your own class anxieties given form as prejudices against a particular social strata on the basis that they are, in some fashion, inhuman. You are as intertwined as they are in their own complicit behaviours.
And I'll side with an addict because the moment they choose to do so, they can be rehabilitated and supported through their issues in life. Some twat who goes around buying le creuset pots and pans and wants to be a millionaire has other aspirations.
>>2412022well you are a far-right racist in jeremy's view, then.
either all asylum seekers are innocent and helpless victims of war, or you are just a hateful fascist spreading lies to protect the powetful. those are the terms jezza has set against the public.
>>2411888>UK, LGBT became largely entrenched in the Tories, it was literally Tories that passed most gay rights here. this isn't remotely true, why talk when you've got no idea what you're talking about?
LEGALITY - homosexuality was decriminalized by Labour in 1967
EQUAL AGE OF CONSENT - passed by Labour in 2001
CIVIL PARTNERSHIP - created by Labour in 2005
SAME SEX MARRIAGE - legalized by Tories in 2014
ADOPTION - legalized by Labour in 2005
MILITARY SERVICE - legalized by Labour in 2000
ANTI-DISCRIMINATION LAW - various legislation, but mostly Labour via the criminal justice act 2008 and the Equality Act 2010.
total: 6 for Labour, 1 for the Tories. (And that's 7 for Labour, 0 for the Tories if you give the Tories -1 for passing Section 28 and Labour 1 for repealing it.)
And that's with Labour as a socially progressive party basically being a myth, with Blairites mostly being a gaggle of reactionary freaks.
>>2411920You had it pointed out to you before that pretty much all of the successful Albanian asylum seekers are women who were trafficked here by the mafia.
Moreover, anti-immigration politics
is mostly racist bollocks driven by the press: Look at Japan for the world's most obvious test-case. There's been a rapid growth in people believing that migrants are taking jobs and services away from natives (and that immigration levels are far too high)
in a country which is 98% ethnically Japanese, which approves about 20-40 asylum applications per year, and where the population of every single prefecture is shrinking >>2412032>either all asylum seekers are innocent and helpless victims of war, or you are just a hateful fascist spreading lies to protect the powerfulThat's a strawman. And the main argument for anti immigration by those who are supporting reform is the immigrants are Muslim. I had a polite discussion with reform supporting British family members at a family birthday party. And the main argument was that immigration was out of control, and "Muslims are taking over neighborhoods." That "Britain is a Christian country", and that "the Quran says Muslims will takeover the whole world", and that's why they are "coming to Britain."
To be honest, I honestly don't know how the collective left can address this worldview effectively. I was actually thinking of bringing up the economic migrant view as a materialist counter to the ethnic Christian vs Muslim viewpoint. The only viewpoint we agreed on was Starmer was terrible.
>>2412061>That's a strawman.no it isnt. that is corbyn's entire position.
>reform voters are moronsyes, we already knew that.
>>2412069Yep
The West's main bugbear issue is immigration but for the Third World its economic independence
But much like how you can't get rid of immigration due to how vital it is for regular capitalism, the third world can't just decide to prioritize local market and ban boomers from the US buying up land since we're all in a globalized economy rn
The people will keep voting populist politicians promising to end this. Then the populist will either redirect into some cultural issues shit or just straight up not do anything. Repeat ad nauseam. How can people still fall for this?
asylum seekers are basically a side issue, they're a drop in the ocean against regular migration. the primary reason immigration numbers skyrocketed is
>>2406764>>2412061you'd ultimately address it by shutting down every existing newspaper and banning all their columnists from public life. if you have the level of control over the media ecosystem that our press currently enjoy (and abuse) you can make anything happen.
>>2412072not really. people have generally been anti-immigration since 1997. this isnt a new thing, its just coming to a head because of unprecedented numbers, institutional incompetency and two-tier justice. reform voters and the like have difficulty articulating their opposition since they react more reflexively than intellectually, but to me the opposition is largely legitimate - it just has the wrong solutions. as the other anon said, global capitalism requires global labour - if we instead had national industry and markets, we wouldnt require selling our country out. the right-wing contradiction is that it wants things to stay the same, but global capital forces things to change. if they were meaningfully against the regime of profit, they would have a political program, instead of just glorified NIMBYism. even drumpf is planning to give amnesty to undocumented workers in the US after sending his brownshirts to deport construction workers and college students. its contradictory, as i say, but not unfounded. the theocratic arguments are obviously bollocks for one, since the anglican church itself is basically destitute.
>>2412075asylum seeking rates are currently at 100k a year, which is around 30%< of net migration figures.
>>2412077The solution is an indepndent media source controlled by a revolutionary body which can issue a party line outside of the arena of bourgeois media.
Corbyn, and likewise his adherents, realise they can be given no real frame within the British press to state their political policies as any move they make retrenches this xenophobic current by simple cause of affect. But inevitably his party will suck up like a flame the remaining oxygen and support for socialist policies, and channel them once again into electoralism on the hopeless basis that through mere engagement with the bourgeois democratic institutions change can be achieved through Parliament itself.
At various points his political supporters have realised they needed a movement in and of itself in order to sustain their wider goals, but they were never able to achieve this. They will never be able to counter the iron grip of the reactionary British press, so to his dying breath Corbyn will continue to wage a war of position on affirming the 'decency' and legal constitutional basis for the human rights of asylum seekers. His political project is a stillborn venture - social democracy is dead - and every PR move they make affirming their pro-immigrant policies is just another spasm coursing through its limp and lifeless body.
>>2412108Who tf said its about porn
Look at the statistics. A majority support it, but majority also believe that its not effective at stopping people from looking at porn. This means that the people who do support it support because they know it will be used for political measures
>>2411920What you said is true but it's a complicated situation because 90% of anti-immigrant sentiment is tied to lower-class immigrants when the most problematic of the bunch are the elites and middle class legal immigrants, who are the reason their home countries are a shithole because they're decadent subhumans.
For all problems i have with mass immigrations i would still prefer 1 million poor Bengladeshi over 10 upper class brown strivers who's sole purpose is to steal the copper wire from wathever western country they leeches off. The left got pretty redpilled on zionists since Oct 7 but pretty much every succesful brown striver in the west is 20 years away from making their own version of it.
>>2412135if it's part of an economic necessity to have immigration, why not be incredibly selective? Not like the world is short of the buggers is it?
It doesn't make sense.
>>2412287Laudable for some Labour MPs, since it will drive into the public consciousness Corbyn's party alternative to Labour.
Considering Abbott's connections with Corbyn, I wouldn't be surprised if she's literally just turned into a professional wrecker. Doubly so considering the tweet after that was bulldozing Wes Streeting for 'holding the country to ransom'.
Wonder if Starmer will survive the full five year term.
>>2412291Would kill to see their internal figures for their viewer demographics.
This country is on a fucking sleigh ride to hell.
>>2412522First pic on top right is communist party of great britain (marxist-leninist) (CPGB-ML), the one below is the communist party of turkey (TKP)
Working overtime are we Langley?
>>2412617>>2412618So the "Communist Party" is now openly saying the support Democratic Socialism. Given they support electoralism (Reform) and wage labour it was only a matter of time. They are the leftmost wing of Capital.
Also manage to fit in a few paragraphs whining and seething about the non-existent "Ultra-Left" and other non-ML Marxist parties.
CPB are a joke and their youth wing is dead due to their refusal to budge on their pro-culture war, anti-trans stance.
>>2412668>So the "Communist Party" is now openly saying the support Democratic Socialism.>nowYou're gonna shit when you read british road to socialism
>>2412672They're not talking about leftcoms or whatever, anyone 'to the left' of them is definitionally an ultra, that includes ex-militant, tusc, swp, cpgb-ml, rs21, george galloway and really anyone who doubts socialism with chinese characteristics and the supreme wisdom of tailing the labour party forever.
Today's news: New Statesman sacked an economist for saying Corbyn was the lesser of two evils in 2019.
https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2025/07/delusions-on-left-and-labour-right.html>Let me be more specific. In the summer of 2019 I was writing a regular monthly article for the online New Statesman. Within hours of publishing my latest piece, where I suggested Corbyn would do less harm as Prime Minister than Boris Johnson, they withdrew it. I was told I could continue writing for them only if I stuck to economics and did not mention to anyone what they had just done. I didn’t accept the latter condition, and have never been invited to write for them again. It meant I briefly felt I was doing the right thing and in reality the potential audience for my writing shrank. It's not like he's a massive lefty, either. The conclusion of this very article is that the left need to stick with the miserable, abusive Labour party because there's no viable alternative! Still, it's useful to have people come out and reveal just how insanely corrupt 2019 was.
>>2413318I mean, even the Guardian was going after Journalists and Oped writers for writing anything pro-Corbyn or Pro-Gaza. Their Gaza foreign editor was literally fired for talking about how Israel is stealing Gaza's gas.
>>2413318>erhaps inclination to be as inclusive as possible. But I also wonder what would have happened if he had tried? Would the right have still sabotaged his attempts at unity? But although Corbyn was not my choice, I have always been clear that a Labour victory in 2017 and 2019 would be far preferable to what we actually got. I have never, EVER understood this take. Corbyn bent over for the Labour right relentlessly, they made up the MAJORITY of his first cabinets, a Labour right sociopath who was actively undermining the leadership and was the top Labour leaker to Guido (Red Roar) was Deputy Leader. What fucking more could Corbyn have done? If anything, Corbyn's issue wasn't the exact opposite, that antisemitism wrecking dossier should have been leaked within a month of the 2018 election and the Labour right purged.
Also never have bought that the left is unelectable. When Corbyn focused on bread and butter issues, he was a mere few thousand votes from controlling Government, if the 2017 Election was held a single week later, Labour would have entered Government with likely a coalition with the SNP as polls show us.
The biggest issue with the left, and you see it on the immigration debate still, is the refusal to actually view real issues as issues, and topics seriously, if it goes against certain empathy fuelled shitlib narratives and oppression olympics.
This is how the left completely ignores immigration issues, spent 2 decades saying Grooming Gangs were a right wing conspiracy and now still trying to protect the purpetrators by pinning it entirely on corrupt police, still deny that there is any issue with ethnic enclaves and cultural clashes, still deny Lumpenprole exis in fact support Lumpens in almost all cases against the working class, end up pushing every single fucking incoherent retarded Idpol trend, hell people here even straight up reject outright that mental illness has any biological or genetic basis because it goes against "All mental illness is caused by Capitalism", no, it's not.
Also you can see it even in this thread, but along left wing narratives in general. Even as a leftist, I cannot deny the reality, a huge portion of the left straight up hates Britian, hates white British people and have taken an antisocial attitude to where they want to see British culture and it's native people functionally eliminated. This sort of antisocial Anarkiddie/Third Worldist thinking is stupidly popular among the left, and not only is insanely fucking cringe, it's terminally unserious and nihlistic and only further pushes to fuel the right. Does China or the USSR destroy historical Chinese culture? No, they jettisoned the worst aspects of it and reframed and reworked their culture and history to work in a Socialist framework.
>>2413358Yes, but the majority of Leftists are also just radical Social neoliberals.
Vast majority of modern Leftists, put individual identity and self-brand, above any sort of Socialist or collective ideal or consistant materialist analysis. Most western people are "Socialists" in the same way Chris Cutrone is a "Socialist", he sees basically Socialism as a means to fulfilling the bourgeois libertarian individualist ideal.
Either way, he's wrong, as I said in my post before, 2017 polling, if the election was held just 1 week later, Corbyn would have been PM. Centrists like this guy just want to conveniently ignore Corbyn was absolutely electable, which is why the entire appartus went ballistic after 2017.
>>2413358The key word is 'main'
I disagree with him on many things, but I think we're heading for something much worse than neoliberalism. There's a sort of nostalgic idea that if we onshore a few industries, we'll go back to the postwar consensus - why should that be the case? Why not have the future be social protection for corporations and constant crackdowns on disorganized, atomised workers, a sudden social-reactionary turn as we drop immigration* and try to pump up birth rates Ceaușescu style, plus unending war, war, war?
All the bad parts of neoliberalism with none of the good-to-tolerable parts.
*
or "better" yet, keep high immigration to population/military max, but encourage even higher native birthrates to compensate for the dilution of our racial stock…Of course, I hate the current Labour government enough - and believe it embodies so many of these trends anyway - that I wouldn't "vote for it to stop Reform", since all I'd really be doing is voting for Labour to implement this tilt instead.
>>2413384Not him, but honestly, the best definition and deep dive in Neoliberalism was Ben Studebaker and Aimee Terese on early What's Left, (Episode Neoliberalism) sadly the podcast has been scrubbed from the internet so nowhere to be seen.
Functionally though, Neoliberalism is a statist Libertarian ideology that posits the free market is the ultimate democratic expression and most effective form human action can take place through, and the ultimate freedom, is that a human themselves, can sell their identity and self, through the market.
Hence you hear politicians, talk now about "consumers" rather than "citizens". Why "self-brand" is a massive part of normal daily lexicon, why Onlyfans and Sex work is celebrated even by leftists. That is a major part of Neoliberalism that gets missed by most Leftists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myH3gg5o0t0Either way, since that episode went down, this is probably the second best definition of Neoliberalism.
For TL;DR:
Neoliberalism is a free market libertarian zealotry in a centrist statist suit. Where Libertarians want to destroy the state, Neoliberals utilize the state to enforce the free market ideal.
>>2413453>Keir Starmer, is an irredeemably right-wing, pro-business party of warmongers and defenders of genocide in Gaza.why is it that they must refer to other people's problems as a moral compass?
Kier starmer is bringing in MILLIONS of migrants, this absolutely is not 'right wing'.
>>2413471cant tell if this sarcastic or not
but labour is much harder on immigration than the tories; same way obama was "deporter in chief". these "left wing" parties are always to the right of their opposition.
>>2413478defence of economic inequality
defence of hierarchy
defence of 'traditional values' and reactionary social views (see the anti-trans bullshit)
>>2413478nta:
- israel (imperial hegemony)
- bigotry (transphobia, racism et al)
- deregulation (class warfare against the poor)
>>2413483so the tories ar right wing
and labour are right wing
let me guess, you think the bbc is also right wing?
>>2413519I'm well aware
in your communist regime, which class of people get to be the leaders and decision makers?
>>2413482>defence of economic inequalitywat the fuck does that even mean
>defence of hierarchysounds like the same thing
>defence of traditional valuesyeah not changing people and culture by importing them from elsewhere
>>2413520We went through this a couple of months ago, in which you were painfully and consistently humiliated for the duration of the thread and told to fuck off repeatedly.
Fuck off to the Daily Stormer or one of the other shitholes you belong in
>>2413529yeah
The lioness hyeteria and everything surrounding it. A precise example would be an article proclaiming why in womens footbal 'we need to talk about periods and injuries and racism' - no mention of pregnancies.
>>2413533i dont seem to follow
discussing women's football seems to be neutral
>>2413535of course you don't follow, you're an idiot
They want women to do everything because it is stunning and brave, except - and I mean EXCEPT - have children and raise families, even though that should be regarded as powerful and wonderful.
>>2413540They're conflating the oblation between astro-turfed mass media equality campaigns, the subsequent culture of ideological repression based on principles of corporatised social logics, and the horshoe theory of the political spectrum.
There is nothing to these questions but navel gazing. They do this periodically and get mad when things are explained to them at a child's level before crying that we're all jewish pawns and fucking off to whatever shitholes they lurk.
>>2413540that's a strawman isn't it
I didn't say that, I just said that being a mother should be regarded as a wonderful thing, not frames as some sort of failure or cop-out. This is how propaganda works.
>>2413522It means not doing anything about our incredibly unequal economy obviously like more taxes on the rich, more welfare, etc
Defending hierarchy is similar to defending the rich in neoliberalism but not exactly the same, it also includes defending the monarchy and aristocracy in general and undemocratic and elitist institutions like the lords
As for 'changing people and culture', that isn't the only issue in the world, do you think the elites allow immigration to intentionally trigger you? Or do they do it for money? Obviously the latter
Not a Brit myself but following recent developments around Comrade Corbyn with huge interest. Any of you guys joining Zarah Sultana's Revolutionary ML Group (ML stands for mailing list)? If so, I urge you to shill for
approval voting for internal elections with a single winner and to use sequential proportional approval voting for internal elections with multiple winners:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequential_proportional_approval_voting(This is much much easier to count than the Single Transferable Vote. But like the STV it suffers a bit from a tactical dilemma that just is the cost of it being a proportional method without lists: To be proportional, supporting a candidate that wins a seat has to come at the cost of having less influence over who gets another seat. So people sometimes ask themselves:
Why bother voting for this guy who will probably win without my help anyway when there this other guy that probably needs all my support? To reduce this allure, there could be a rule that winning the first seat comes with a special privilege.)
I just saw Sultana tweeting this: "I believe in open democratic leadership and one member one vote." And that has me a bit worried because "one vote" makes me think of single-mark ballots. It would be better to say "one member one ballot".
>>2413585yeh so basically natanyahooo is building a concentration camp in Gaza and then waiting until the Pallestinians just voluntarily decide to leave.
This is called projection.
>>2413597uhuh okay
and if they can't live with them, why should I be expected to?
>>2413598uhuh okay
What makes you think I care?
>>2413601israel
the jewish people/state
I fort you spastics fucked up pronouns, it used to be implicitly plural
>>2413609this cunt thinks we need more censoring
And I thought the ebil heckin nazis were on the same side as israel now? Yous lot have had your brains melted
>>2413617yawn
pull the other one mate
>>2413623oh it's as easy as that is it?
someone stop the boats, this guy figured it out!
>>2413627Trump likes money
Trump is involved with people who deal in money
do I need to elaborate?
>>2413621he is clearly an asset.
His persona is that of a larger swilling yobo thug, yet not only can he point out israel on a map, he has been there and is mentally engaged with their history and plight.
This is suspicious as fuck.
>>2413933>national identitywhat are you - english, welsh, scottish, northern irish, scouse, cornish, northumbrian, british, or just part of the UK? in terms of identifying each nation, we also have to look at our ethnic history; celtic, gaelic, roman, anglo-saxon, norman, dutch, danish, indian, chinese, anglo-american, ashkenazi, caribbean, african, etc.
where do your ancestors fit into the picture?
>>2414014my heritage is mostly Yorkshire, there is even a town that I share my name with up there. Problem?
You seem to have side-stepped the point though, go back and read the post again.
>>2414063no problem at all. i myself am "black irish" and maybe some east asian. it was reported by my nan that her mother was called "chink" and "uyghur" consecutively in her lifetime. i live in liverpool, like so many other irishmen, and do appreciate the english ethnicity for its picturesque purity. if i had fully green eyes instead of hazel i would be a bit more prideful of my own phenotype, but alas. my grandfather's father was also reportedly greek, so i have a mediterranean quality in me as well, which dulls the features.
>sidesteppedcould you explain what i missed, please?
>>2414066the yookay. not a fan?
>>2414105getty images, reportedly
>>2414112right, so the question is, what is nationality? my perspective is that nations (from the latin "natio"; "peoples") comprises an ethnic character. britain is many nations wrapped up in one, so its unintelligible to pretend like we are just one people.
>>2414105>>2414109found the sauce:
https://www.gettyimages.dk/detail/news-photo/crowd-of-children-waving-union-jacks-as-queen-mary-wife-of-news-photo/609700805>A crowd of children waving union jacks as Queen Mary, wife of King George V, visits Brixton in south London to open the new Lambeth Town Hall, 14th October 1938. (Photo by Reg Speller/Fox Photos/Hulton Archive/Getty Images)reg speller is the photographer. BBC licensed the pic.
>>2414117>wedon't even try to pretend bud
answer this:
>>2414102 >>2414126>budwho is "pretending" now, yankee?
>answer thisthe english and french are different people, so they would not conform to each other's cultures just because they lived in their land. for someone to become "enculturated" or initiated, they have to be socialised.
>>2414130the verdict is clear
>>2414135yes
>>2414137yes so they are different people
case closed
>>2414144*sigh again*
because everything in politics is downstream of national identity, otherwise what is the point?
>>2414141yes, there are different people in the world
and different people in this land, as i listed;
>english, welsh, scottish, northern irish, scouse, cornish, northumbrian, britonic - celtic, gaelic, roman, anglo-saxon, norman, dutch, danish, indian, chinese, anglo-american, ashkenazi, caribbean, african, etc.what we call the UK is a mix of all this
>>2414160society crumbles if there is no trust
society is not democratic if there is no trust
society is slavery if there is no trust
>>2414176oh lord
the absolute state of your word filters
>>2414179as easy as that
and now you can go back yo your own views in peace. You did it reddit!
>>2414300Grim grim GRIM
Bunch of drunken coked up football hooligans looking for a brown person to lynch, and it's exactly who Starmer is courting.
>>2413614moderation is about signal and noise, not censorship.
if a deranged nazi comes in here saying something
interesting he should not be banned immediately - he can stay until he gets boring, but if a 'communist' bore comes in here spamming cliches, he should be banned at once. (for a short duration at first, escalating if he stays tedious.)
>>2414329it's bleakly funny that no matter the problem, some blair institute wanker will come along to tell you ID cards are the solution. i'm sure they'd tell you ID cards were the solution to state intrusion into your private life, if you asked.
>>2413595I mean, I will admit, it's weird that so many Jewish orgs and Zionists openly have this massive brazen contradiction where they openly push mass migration and "diversity is strength" in Western countries, but then in Israel, it's Great Replacement narrative 100%. That said, it's also I think pretty silly to think that Jews would want to flood the West with Arabs and Muslims. You see for example, here in the UK, Jewish orgs being extremely anti-Muslim. The EDL is quite literally a Jewish org with ties to groups like the BoD. Jewish rallies are often done arm in arm with far-right groups.
Also after arguing with Jewish people and Zionists for so long, I also can't discount there isn't some wider ingroup agenda here. Zionist Jews are honestly the most duplicitious, bad faith political group I've ever interacted with in my life.
>"diversity is our strength"I've never bought this because it's literally not backed up by sociological data and even much of the left will acknowledge this isn't real on certain situations. ("We can't do that like them because they are ethnically homogenous")
The data is against that ethnic diversity actually has any major benefits. It mostly leads to huge downsides.
https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.00176.xwhich of course, get utilised against the working class
https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=61403That said, the question isn't one of ethno-states, its how do you then work to smooth over ethnic differences and get people working together as a whole. I think the West does a fucking TERRIBLE job of this, but look to China, 56 Ethnic groups and it took a lot of work, but the country finally largely moving togethe by setting large scale social standards that have to be adhered to by all, that override ethnic bullshit.
The reason the West sucks so hard at "diversity" is we engage in cultural relatavism where every culture is equal and can't override the rights of another. Which is why you get European countries entertaining dual power sharia courts in muslim communities and Jewish pedo police like Shomrim, and leftists crying about a Hijab ban despite the hijab and niqab being hilariously oppressive and misogynistic.
>>2414662well, as per my pedestrian sensibilities, it seemed as if race relations across the west were better 20 years ago, since they were not overtly politicised. what the radical left dont understand, which the more moderate left does, is that there should be separate spheres between civic and state institutions. when you politicise the public, you make it an object of state policy rather than a realm of free association.
when ethnicities have the capability to freely associate rather than to be guardians of political capital; when the bourgeois individual is able to flourish, then you overcome racial conflict, since you are able to see each other as equal beings. if the radical left insists that we are not individuals, but are irreducibly racial creatures who exhibit mutual otherness, then equality becomes a categorical impossibility, and you have segregation.
this is the current issue to me - i consider myself a universalist, while many are particularists. the idea that a racist and anti-racist are opposites is false, since they both buy into the same thing, just from different ends.
>>2414865hegel > marx
sorry, not sorry 👌
MPs are now using VPNs and counting it as part of their expenses, meaning we the taxpayers are funding their VPN use.
What a fucking joke.
Source:
https://www.politico.eu/article/britain-mps-charge-vpns-expenses-minister-caution-tech-jonathan-reynolds-data/BBC finds electrocuted, drowned and starved cats in online torture groups
An international network that shares online videos of cats and kittens being tortured has members in the UK, the BBC has found.
The network is thought to have thousands of members who post, share and sell graphic images and videos of cats being hurt and killed.
In one group, on an encrypted messaging app, the BBC found evidence of British members suggesting users adopt kittens from the RSPCA to mutilate.
The BBC investigation comes after two teenagers admitted torturing and killing two kittens in a park in Ruislip, north-west London, in May. They are due to be sentenced on Monday.
The 16-year-old girl, and boy, aged 17, who cannot be named for legal reasons, pleaded guilty after the kittens were found cut open and strung up. Knives, blowtorches and scissors were also found at the scene.
These groups started in China, but BBC News has identified members now active across the world, including in the UK.
The scale of the network has been documented by animal rights activists Feline Guardians.
The group says between May 2023 and May 2024, a new video showing the torture and execution of a kitten or cat was uploaded approximately every 14 hours.
It says it has documented 24 groups active this year, the largest of which had more than 1,000 members. The most active torturer is believed to have filmed the torture and killing of more than 200 cats.
Chat conversations in one group, seen by the BBC, include what appear to be UK-based accounts discussing how to get hold of cats to abuse.
One member discussed how to adopt kittens from the RSPCA and posted application forms. Another post shared an advert for kittens for sale in the UK, posting that they wanted to "torture them so bad".
Videos and photographs seen by the BBC are graphic and extremely disturbing.
They include footage of cats being drowned and electrocuted. One video speculates on how long a kitten in a cage will survive if it is not given food.
Group members appear to want to inflict as much pain as possible. In online chats, torturers explain how they use electrocution to resuscitate a cat in order to prolong suffering.
New members are encouraged to mutilate and post videos to gain access to a wider network.
The BBC saw evidence that suggested children were taking part in these groups. One member posted: "I'm 10 years old and I like to torture cats."
In September 2023, the network even promoted a "100 cat kill" competition, during which members were encouraged to see how quickly the group could torture and kill 100 cats.
Videos depicting the horrific torture of cats first went viral in China in 2023.
The man responsible for two extremely graphic videos, Wang Chaoyi, was detained for 15 days by the Chinese authorities and forced to issue a "letter of repentance".
But his footage developed a cult following and others began making similar content for Chinese and Western social media, gaining thousands of views, before groups developed on encrypted messaging apps.
"Little Winnie" is a well known name used in the cat torture community for having a profile picture that mocks the Chinese leader Xi Jinping with an image of Winnie the Pooh.
Accounts with that name and profile picture are described as administrators in a number of forums.
An activist from Feline Guardians got in touch with one of those Little Winnie accounts and lured the man behind it into an online relationship.
Eventually she persuaded the man behind the account to do a video call. From that call, the group identified a 27-year-old man living in the Japanese capital Tokyo.
Feline Guardians has held demonstrations outside the Chinese Embassy, in London, demanding that authorities in Beijing do more.
"In mainland China, there are no laws that are stopping this. So that means that abusers and torturers can effectively do what they want and live out these very sadistic fantasies without any consequence. These videos are then uploaded, and essentially that's a global problem, because that means that everyone has access to these videos. Children are seeing this," Lara said.
Johanna Baxter MP, chair of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Cats, said these groups were "a deeply worrying trend, particularly among young men".
"Animal abuse often acts as a gateway, making future acts of violence easier to rationalise and commit," she added.
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