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One of the most bizarre aspects of the Western Left I've found is the absolute idealization, "oh they dindunuttin", infantalization and complete and total removal of any and all responsibility from Lumpenproles.
As someone who spent a while homeless and spent several years of fucking hell having to interact with antisocial lumpenprole ""homeless"", it honestly never shocks me how bizarrely protective and aggressive the majority of most Western Leftists are when it comes to their sheer, infantalization and worship of Lumpens and Lumpen behavior.
From my experiences, homelessness basically works in two regards, most homeless are "invisible homeless" like I was, had to sleep in car, shower at gym, still go work, couch surf etc. These are mostly all good people who have just been fucked over by circumstance, and frankly, most will get out of homelessness, they will eventually move into a share house or whatever. Average Homeless period for these people is 6 months. Only reason I was fucked over so hard was because of Covid lockdowns, which quite literally made it near impossible to actually fucking find a new house legally.
But long term homeless are not like this at all, I eventually had to start dealing with Long term homeless, and the vast majority were absolute personality disordered, psychotic pathological lying, scheming assholes. Myself being a leftist, often tried to help, but help was almost always returned with a twisted knife in the back. It became clear as well, that alot of long term homeless, weren't even homeless, they had bennies and housing and everything given to them through charity or Government, but they rather just spend it all bumming around, alcohol, drugs, prostitutes, being a general dickhead etc. Frankly, it's a pretty fucking chill life if you have no asperations and don't give a flying fucking fuck about the rest of society or yourself, and that honestly was the case with a majority of the long term homeless I interacted with, genuinely antisocial, pretty predatory people who had burned most of their, if not all bridges and worse, often dragged good but vulnerable people down to their level.
Tell this to most leftists though, and that homelessness won't be easily fixed by just "giving people homes" and worse of all, that long term homeless are actually frankly, the majority of the time, gaming the system and absolutely enjoy being antisocial, and it's instant wailing and gnashing. "THE RICH ARE JUST AS BAD" blah blah. Yeah, sure, but that doesn't stop the reality that this is a case where these people actively reject support to get on their feet, reject society, and choose to be predatory, antisocial fuckheads. Also because Bougies are bad, doesn't make bad behavior from other classes acceptable.
You see this a lot with say, frankly, criminal behaviour as well, it becomes a weird noble savage thing, where oh the only reason this community has an issue with crime is poverty, but that just isn't real and and is bizarrely a anti-working class attitude. Because people are poor, they are criminals and violent? I grew up in a poor community and shock horror, there was barely any crime at all, we could all leave our doors unlocked and everything. It wasn't until a pro-antisocial lumpenprole culture started to get pushed into youth and take over, did crime become far more visible and prevalent. Again, tell this to most leftists and again, wailing and gnashing, NOOOO POORS ARE NATURALLY GOING TO DO CRIME AND BE ANTISOCIAL ITS THEIR NATURE!
Then you just get the general "dindunuttin" nature of much of the left, where the the average person or cop or whatever is always wrong, and Lumpens are always right, and are always victims. Jordan Neely, WM3, CP5, George Floyd, Chris Kaba etc. Brazen antisocial criminals are always in the right, anybody holding them to account is always in the wrong, they dindunuttin. Where the fuck does this attitude even come from? It's perversely reactionary and completely antisocial.
Marx correctly identified the Lumpenproles as an antagonistic, reactionary class towards the general Proletariat, yet it seems the Western left aggressively fetishize and protect the Lumpens to just a bizarrely idiotic level, often making them seemingly the primary revolutionary subject. Why? How did Lumpen fetishization come about? Is it the legacy of Christianity or something?
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>>2408969
>the vast majority of the so-called "left", especially on this site, has repeatedly demonstrated a massively racist understanding of this concept.

I'm south american and people associate gang culture with black people because they're the first people this psyop was thrown at, but in my life I've never seen a black person being involved in gang shit. In fact, blacks were straight up not a thing in my country until the haitians came and those mfs are the chillest in pretty much our entire population with a crime rate much lower than the locals per capita lol.

Gang culture is nothing but worshipping organized crime (in fact, the hollywood obsession with italian mafia is possibly the first instance of this rather than the ghetto gang stuff), rugged individualism, machismo, violence, materialism and might makes right. It's a lumpen coded right wing ideology.

As for the thing with evangelical christianity you're correct in saying that its more of a white phenomenom but imo its the same brand of psyop: meant to destroy potential growth of proletarian and revolutionary conscience among the poor.

>>2408974
I don't think I'm smarter then anybody else, and nothing I've stated has anything to do with how "smart" anybody is. I'm pretty sure many people here are conventionally quite "smart", I just think quite a lot of them also have zero humility or nuance, things I value just as much.
>>2408980
>nice chatgpt shitpost
Funny thing, somebody once said I type like chatgpt. I have no idea how to take that, as I've never used chatgpt (or any AI for that matter), but if it's me sounding pretentious in some way, I'll acknowledge that lol.

>>2408985
I just think your whining is pointless beyond stroking your own ego

>>2408985
Humility and nuance is for faggots and no one buys your fake humble act.

>>2408985
I said "just as much" in this post, but thinking about it, I value nuance and humility way more in a person then how smart they are. The former is likely to be willing to learn, investigate, and genuinely question their own biases. The latter has no such guarantee.

>>2408991
You haven't learned or investigated anything and you definitely haven't questioned your own biases. You literally entered this thread calling everyone else wrong and begging people to suck your dick for claiming to be correct over everyone else.


>>2408963
What is this? A bait copypasta?

>>2408987
>I just think your whining is pointless beyond stroking your own ego
Take it that way then, I can't convince you otherwise if you've made it certain to yourself that that is my motivation. It's an issue I called out and have called out because it's an issue I see, and it's largely out of frustration if anything else.
>>2408989
>Humility and nuance is for faggots and no one buys your fake humble act.
I'm not trying to be humble if that's how I come off, though I genuinely want to know why you think these things are improper or bad. Nuance should should be primary for any Marxist or somebody following in the Marxist tradition.
>>2408993
>You haven't learned or investigated anything and you definitely haven't questioned your own biases.
I haven't in this thread. I don't know where the jumping point for that would be, because there is little investigation happening here to begin with, just anecdotal rhetoric and people largely rationalizing their existent dislike of things.
>You literally entered this thread calling everyone else wrong and begging people to suck your dick for claiming to be correct over everyone else.
Not everyone tbh, just a lot. If you think that asking people to suck my dick, or that I think I'm correct over everyone, thats on you. None of that is my point, my point is that the way we discuss, act out, and try to come to conclusions is flawed and childish. The very beginning of this thread was just an anecdotal strawman of leftists regarding lumpen fetishization.

>>2409020
You contribute nothing to the conversation and you type like a pretentious pseud

>>2409022
>You contribute nothing to the conversation and you type like a pretentious pseud
Cool. Of the majority of his thread, what meaningful conversation is there to contribute to? The anon who started this off with a bunch of loaded ancedotal assumptions about the left and lumpens? Or the anon arguing that people are inherently genetically damaged due to his experiences with his friends (who all just so happen to be terrible people) and his ability just read BPD and NPD on the fly by wording things, because hes just that that good? Or maybe the anon who argues that black culture ruined his reservation (like he's mentioned multiple times in the past) and that many black people (that he's totally talked to) seriously state that culture was better during Jim Crow? Talking pretentiously just comes with this space, and you can call me pseud if you want, but tell me how anything can be added to this if the start is already shit?

>>2409030
Yes they provide something to the conversation because as retarded as they are they at the very least provide something to argue against and discuss. You on the other hand provide nothing but masterbatory self aggrandizement talking about how shit everyone's opinions are without contributing anything of interest yourself

Jewish settler voice: "Why do Western Leftists fetishize and love Palestinians so much? You should be celebrating a soulless gamerchair Marxist like me!!!"

>>2409047
Why are you comparing a population being victimized by a colonial project with a social class that was acknowledged as dangerous and troublesome by Marx himself

>>2408886
I want your mother to die
>>2408907
>>2408887
Not MLoids reposting the most lazy limpwristed “I don’t hate nighurs just nighur culture!” ass nonsense mid-00s neocons used to spew

>>2409056
>MLoids
Obsessed lmao

>>2409046
>Yes they provide something to the conversation because as retarded as they are they at the very least provide something to argue against and discuss.
Twitter-brained thought process. Just saying shit is more valuable then what's being said for faggots like you.
>You on the other hand provide nothing but masterbatory self aggrandizement talking about how shit everyone's opinions are without contributing anything of interest yourself
A lot, not everyone. It's not even the opinions, it's how the opinions are formulated and how they are come to, and then how they are argued with the thinnest materialist veneer. You want a thread with discussion and genuine contribution that isn't debate-bro shitflinging? Then have a thread that requests discussion, and isn't a loaded paragraph built on a giant assumption.

>>2409058
Anarchists don’t write screeds about how much they hate nighurs from a socialist perspective

>>2409056
Don't go roping ML's here, most of the anons arguing agaisnt are ML's as well, or at least ML adjacent. I doubt Mao anon is an anarchist lol.

>>2409056
I hate you fucking americans so fucking much its unreal when will you fucking assholes understand that not every country in the world is the US and that your hyper specific racial dynamics dont apply to the overwhelming majority of the fucking world? IM CHILEAN, ITS A WHOLE FUCKING DIFFERENT WORLD IN HERE, I DONT EVEN ASSOCIATE GHETTO SHIT WITH BLACK PEOPLE, HELL I ASSOCIATE BLACK PEOPLE WITH WORKING IN LA FERIA, SPEAKING A COOL FRENCH SOUNDING LANGUAGE AND BEING EXPLOITED BY RIGHT WING VOTERS IN SANTIAGO CENTRO. Here in Chile most lumpen are from a subculture called "flaite" and this is what most of them look like. The more I interact with disgusting piece of shit subhuman amerishits the more I wish they get giganuked and not an ant survives.

>>2409061
Neither do MLs

>>2409059
More meaningless self aggrandizement

No one cares dude, go to a different thread if you hate debate bro shit

>>2409072
There wasn't even anything there that could be construed as aggrandizement, and it's not like I'm locked to just this thread.

>>2408913
Stop putting words in my mouth anon.
I think a closer equivalent is like patriarchy and domestic abuse. Obv the main cause of domestic abuse is poverty causing people to be depressed and tripping on moonshine alcohol all the time but a huge factor is the already existing cultural problems of patriarchal mentality making men dismissive about female pain

What you are doing is the equivalent of "why are you making this about males instead of about economic conditions, are you an anti male sexist" if i say that patriarchy is a factor in domestic abuse.
Similarly hood culture is a factor in gang violence. Doesn't mean i blame violence on rap and not systemic exploitation lol

>>2409064
Hating Amerikkkans is the #1 priority for all leftists. If you don't hate Amerikkka you are not leftist enough.

>>2409077
It's self aggrandizement because it's nothing but more complaining about other people's opinions without any substance

"Gang culture" has always existed, anons unironically saying that gang culture just appeared and polluted the youth are high on copium or romanticizing the gangs of the past. There is not a single point in the history of capitalism where gangs and gang affiliated youth in both urban and rural areas did not exist or were not romanticized in some way. The only thing that's changed is the aesthetic, the demographics of the impoverished, and the way crime is organized (or decentralized in many cases).

>>2409083
Comparing the patriarchy with "hood culture" is even more retarded

Patriarchy is not just a culture, it's a whole system of societal structuring. So yes that does have obvious and direct influence on people's perceptions and actions, it's nothing like "hood culture" in that sense

>>2409086
>It's self aggrandizement because it's nothing but more complaining about other people's opinions without any substance
I stated my why, so I don't see how what I said lacked any substance. Finding something disagreeable doesn't mean it lacks substance. At no point was I boasting either.

>>2409094
Your why is completely irrelevant as your initial statements are completely pointless dumbass

>>2409096
Whether or not you find them pointless doesn't make without substance, dumbass. The act can be pointless but the reasoning can still have substance, it's literally just that you don't like it.

>>2409064
>Gangs and crime wouldn’t exist without le heckin amerikkka, that’s why it’s based and revolutionary about how much I hate filthy Amerikkkan nighur lumpen culture!

>>2409103
You're splitting hairs, your contribution is both pointless and substanceless

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>>2409107
Alright this has got to be fucking bait or you're an actual twitter libshit obsessed with accusing everyone of being a heckin racist to make yourself look more moral in comparison or an amerishit so incapable of understanding that other countries do not have american brand racial tension that they straight up just create an imaginary world in their heads in which they do.

The entire point of my post wasn't "theres crime because black americans" it was "lumpens and gang culture are a product of capitalism and CIA destabilization tools and it has nothing to do with race" If anything I hope everyone in america gets killed and goes straight to hell except for the blacks, the only people in that cucked as fuck country that actually have a backbone and have managed to become real threats to capitalist establishment SEVERAL TIMES. I know for sure you're a white american moderately wealthy university student and therefore not an actual human being please kill yourself right this very instant.

>>2409157
NTA but it's pretty easy to make the assumptions that anon made about you from what you've been arguing for. Basically seeming to argue that gang violence is a product of culture rather than material conditions

>>2409119
>You're splitting hairs
Twitter-brained.

>>2409157
Nah, I’m actually a black person beyond sick of thirdoids going on racist ass rants about how much they hate nighurs and US proles all out of impotent rage that their own countries are imperialized and don’t get to win at capitalism and not any meaningful principle

>>2409239
>I have never and will never contribute anything meaningful, interesting or fun to the conversation
I know

>>2409264
He is saying you have nothing but personal anecdotes here

>>2409266
So? Do you think he contributed anything of note to the thread other than whining?

>dindunuttin
>WM3, CP5,
The WM3 got an Alford plea due to a bunch of evidence pointing to it not being them, and the CP5 were completely exonerated.
>George Floyd
Now you're just fucking with people, prior crimes that someone did time for doesn't equal a justification for death by cop. "dindunuttin", just say what you actually mean at this point.

>>2409273
Ignoring your faggot ass would be the greatest contribution he could make to the thread
Slicing off your phallus should be the legal punishment for sophists

>>2409280
Well then he contributed less than nothing didn't he? Because responding to my ass with more boring self important non contributions is all he did retard

>>2409278
>The WM3 got an Alford plea due to a bunch of evidence pointing to it not being them
WM3 were absolutely 100% guilty. It's not evidence didn't point to them, the overwhelming amount of evidence is, it's that the innocence project tends to throw so much doubt and bullshit in there, that you are able to get off.
Damien is an absolute dangerous violent psychopath who on several occasions, had already tried to attack and kill children (once trying to stab ones eyes out). But a big one as well, is that Jessie was literally confessing to supporters, councillers and cell mates, that he and the others did it, while begging for forgiveness. The biggest "WM3 are innocent" fangirl, literally met Jessie, and came away with that they are 100% guilty with what he told her behind closed doors. My favourite explanation of this is "Jessie is too retarded, and was literally so retarded he could not commit such a crime!" yet, his autism score tests were higher than the average African American autism score.
Also on top of this, new details of the muders and crime scene before police did. How did they know this? I guess it came to them in a dream.
> and the CP5 were completely exonerated.
CP5 are absolutely 100% guilty, one, they were never actually exonerated but sentences vacated, but the reality is that they knew details of the crime, well before even police did, with confessions starting the moment they got arrested and were marched to the police car, they also always mentioned a "ray" person at the scene, which later, would be Reyes, the person the crime was eventually pinned on.
How they were able to pin it on Reyes though to take the fall, is suspected is that Wise used his position as a major gang leader in prison, to basically say "Take the fall, you are already in here for life, or we will make your life here a living hell", this is what most Detectives on the case think happened.
Also we know Reyes is lying, because up to that point, according to other prisoners and cellmates, Reyes always described it as a gang rape, never that he acted alone, after meeting wise on several occasions, he's now saying he did it alone. Funny that.
The Walkman is another major piece, there is no way they were not present at the rape, if knew about the Walkman. how did they know about something, that was only discovered years later, in relation to Reyes?
CP5 are guilty, along with the WM3, they both got off on absolute bullshit that means you have to ignore the OVERWHELMING about of evidence against them and believe largely politicized narratives of coercion when especially with the CP5, you can watch the tapes and see no coercion at all.
>prior crimes that someone did time for doesn't equal a justification for death by cop.
No, but it also was not nowhere "police brutality" like it's made out to be or justfied that level of protest, especially in the middle of a fucking pandemic. Floyd was already bullshitting "I can't breath" and other bullshit when he resisting arrest, his airways aren't even closed when on the ground, he's literally still talking. The reality is that he most likely died as a result of the stress of the arrest and the drugs. The fact that Chauvin got done for murder, and the autopsy said "Oh yeah totally choked out and died from that, not the copius amount of crack and fent in his system" is lets be real, was done for political reasons. We have dashcams of actual extremely brutal police brutality and the officers 99.9% of the time get off while the autopsy shows they likely died from natural causes.
You can also tell that the George Floyd protests were largely pushed as a means to distract from Covid/M4A because of the mass establishment support. The fucking establishment would literally call people marching for funding for a Childrens Hospital "Selfish student lifestyle activists blocking ambulances and workers", so why in fuck did the entire Establishment, support George Floyd Protests while pouring BILLIONS into BLM?

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>>2409056
Black culture isn't synonymous with gang culture, you clueless liberal. Even other Africans hate gang culture

>>2409093
Its a system of societal structuring that shapes people's perception and normalizes certain behaviour. Does that ring a bell?

>>2408826
many such cases
its cuz maoist first worldists still hold the views of there petty booj/labor aristocrat peers. this is also why they think every westerner is some karenite surburboid since thats there entire social milieu and there sheltered af.

>>2408887
everyone point and laugh at the idealist who thinks thoughts control reality lol

>>2408826
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>>2409056
>>2409107
>>2409251
I thought you were arab iraqi? Now you're LARPing as black person?

I don't think we talk enough about white Neo-Nazi lumpen.

>>2413791
no we should talk about panhandlers more likely to be the target of violence than one doling out because im scurred of poors lumpen


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