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>>2407143Obama is less a president and impeachment is less a political ruling so much as Obama is a sorcerer and impeachment will strip his magic powers in the right wing’s imagination.
Also love they’re doing a modern equivalent of the cadaver synod.
>>2407224He was a man, flaws and all. I find trying to deconstruct "heroes" or "good people" to be an exhausting exercise in cynicism.
>>2407186Honestly I think Obama is just a Tulpa for everything Right Wingers fear about America and him winning twice destroyed their very idea about what America was.
>>2407233Unironically one of my most woo-woo beliefs is what happens after we die. Like one part of me thinks it could be some Nietzschean eternal recurrence; we all die and then the universe blips out and then we're born again. Could be we die and next thing you know we're wandering through some plane of existence we don't quite understand, or maybe we suddenly understand everything, meet God or something approximating it, who knows.
That said, if an unborn child's looking at the modern U.S. from Heaven and thinking "Oh why oh why couldn't I have been born?!" I've got to wonder where they'd get that fucking idea. Shit, just look at us.
>>2407231I think Conservapedia still has "Obamunism" listed as a form of Marxism.
It's genuinely shocking, because the only thing that made Obama standout was his charisma. Also the whole "first black president" thing. But if he were just some white representative from Illinois with less "exciting" speeches, I don't know if Republicans would lose their shit as much.
>>2407232"Death counts" used especially by right wingers is basically just a reptile person trying to feign humanity. It's robot logic.
>The Left claims to value empathy and compassion.>They say they want to "help" people.>But look! They killed 100 gorillion people!>If you're really empathetic, you wouldn't want universal healthcare. 'Cause Stalin-Hitler. >>2407252>>2407253Y'know I thought I SJWs reached peak cringe when I saw the video of that journo covering his eyes during some softcore scene in one of the Yakuza games, but nope, the right managed to break their cringe limiters. The dude's just following interracial porn accounts then complaining from the cuck chair that he sees them.
Please God. Revolution. I need a revolution right now. Let's destroy the internet Snake Plissken style. But I can't stand this shit anymore.
>>2407254I mean he kind of looks Blasian to me. You don't see a lot of them these days, think right wingers would be more confused than anything.
>>2407262>tumblr vs /pol/>Everyone loses their internet connection>Both sides have to step outside for the first time in years>Tumblrina learns to stop blaming everything on various "traumas" and to take responsibility for her life. Volunteers at a soup kitchen where she helps more people than her posts ever dead.>/pol/ steps outside, discovers the world isn't some horrific racial conflict and autism score stats. Finds gainful employment and discovers time spent posting about race war just means time where they can't enjoy life.[spoiler]They both kiss.[/spoiler]
>Meanwhile /leftypol/ barricades themselves in their room with copies of Mao's little red book and shoots anyone who comes near. America’s Opinion Pages Overwhelmingly Supported Trump’s Attack on IranIn the four days of coverage after President Donald Trump ordered strikes on Iran (6/21–24/25), the New York Times, USA Today, Wall Street Journal and Washington Post responded with 36 opinion pieces and editorials. Almost half of these, 17, explicitly supported the illegal bombing, while only 7 (19%) took an overall critical view of the strikes—none of them in the Journal or the Post.
Of the critical pieces, only three (one in the Times and two in USA Today) opposed the idea on legal or moral grounds, challenging the idea that the United States has a right to attack a country that had not attacked it.
This opposition rate of less than a fifth is in stark contrast to US public opinion on the matter, which showed that 56% of Americans opposed Trump’s bombing. Why wasn’t this reflected in the range of opinions presented by America’s top press outlets? These numbers highlight just how poorly represented the views of the public are in elite media.
https://fair.org/home/americas-opinion-pages-overwhelmingly-supported-trumps-attack-on-iran/ >>2407291Anyone whose primary access to the internet is a smartphone or tablet.
Kill them all.
>>2407295Someone post that 4chan activity graph from 2011.
Smartphones ruined the internet, including 4chan. Over 70% of 4chan users are on mobile now. These people need to be actively purged, there is no other solution. Sending them to facebook or reddit doesn't matter because they just get redirected back to 4chan whenever some 4chan drama breaks containment to those places.
>>2407287>Escape From L.A. is a fun movie because it's in ultra-bad-taste and Kurt Russell is really, really hardcore libertarian and 2nd Amendment guy in real life, and the biggest villains in the movie are the Republicans, and Snake doesn't like them because he really hates authority SO MUCH that he teams up with a black trans woman played by Pam Grier.A little bit on the villain of the movie, he's kind of pastiche of "authoritarian" tendencies that sort of go against some "libertarian" spirit in the film. Like the thing that stands out the most is that the President is some bible-thumping dictator, sure, but I'm pretty sure in one line of dialogue you find out
the government banned red meat. So Ironically enough in the movie, if you eat a steak or hamburger? Straight to LA. Muslims? Straight to LA. Sex before marriage? Straight to LA. Do you own guns? Off to LA.
So it becomes a campy loveletter to just pure anti-authoritarianism. I don't care what people say, I fucking love the movie.
>>2407298>post that 4chan activity graph from 2011.Smartphones ruined the internet
I guess that makes sense actually. I'm old enough to remember when the internet wasn't total shit. 4chan, however isn't a loss imho.
>>2407291People will call me radlib or schizo but normie unironically means non-white and/or poor. It used to be that only the white labor aristocracy and petit bourgeoise had enough money to afford a personal computer, access to the internet and knew their way around usernet forums but this changed after the smartphone revolution and popularization of social media in the late 2000s and early 2010s which introduced millions of third worlders and people of scarce resources to the online community.
Hence why crypto-hitlerites like this
>>2407292 >>2407292 anon now romanticize and reminisce about a time when there weren't so many nig- , I mean, normies in their precious hobbyist forums.
>>2407305Smartphones, tablets and all that stuff are good because they made the internet more accessible to all people in the world.
>But muh hecking Reddit normgroids ruined my glorious 4chan!What really ruined the internet is the increasing commercialization, censorship and centralization of everything into a few big tech and social media conglomerates. Long gone is the optimist lolbertarian idea of the early 90s that the internet was going to become a tool of liberation for all. Capital ended up consuming it and absorbing it into its own logic
>>2407307>People will call me radlibYeah I think you're reaching really hard here to define normies as non-white just because you want to be a contrarian about the decline of the internet. Shut up radlib.
>>2407315Bro during 2016 4chan was invaded by actual Facebook boomers that could barely operate a computer but joined because of QAnon conspiracies. Many of these people never left. 4chan of today is waaaaay worse than it was 15 years ago. Even /g/ is now infested with tech illiterates just there for AI prompting guides.
>>2407327Chanoids hate zoomer slang for being normie but what is zoomer slang if not a mass popularized form of AAVE?
Similarly, chanoids reminisce about a time where they could scream and spam slurs all the time on the internet before politically correct normies ruined everything but is it really that everyone just turned woke out of nowhere or that now actual non-white, queer or poor people had access to the internet and called out rich privileged white kids on their bullshit?
The crypto-Hitlerite theory of the origin of the term "normie" makes more sense the more you think about it.
>>2407289Honestly anon I feel like around 2007-2012 the internet was much more dominated by the most extreme and basic normalfags the world has ever fucking seen… and it was fun
I felt like it was a place where the average giga normie could loosen up and embrace their weirder side. But as time went on it became dominated by hostile weirdos of the type that everyone avoids irl. I feel like the narrative that everyone has built ("the internet was good because it was full of weirdos, everything sucks now because normies") is actually the opposite of reality.
>>2407342truthnuke: the internet was at its most normie in the 90s and early early 2000s. Those were the turbonormies who worked office jobs, or wanted to make their own business during the dot com boom. But they understood that the internet was a place they could show their more artistic or more sincere/autistic side.
Most of the "weird/schizo" internet came from rotten, somethingawful, 4chan, luelinks, kiwifarms, and only really started to take off in the late 2000s. Temporarily embarrassed losers who aggressively want to be normal but cannot be.
>>2407347Like holy shit, i feel crazy that everyone is doing revisionism on this, but old internet was normie as FUCK. they were mailing out AOL CDs to everyone back then and internet access was free. The idea that it was some shut-in nerd's paradise is just false.
The average person you met online was just a normal person cooling down after work/school on their gateway PC. The idea of the terminally online internet shut-in/schizo really didn't exist then. Using the internet required you to clog up your phone line until DSL/cable came into the picture.
>>2407342is spot on. The weirdos only came into the picture when internet access became so prolific that the real assholes that nobody like started to invade and bitch online 24/7.
>>2407307I dont think this is true chief
Actual working proletarians don't go to 4klan or some other basket weaving forums they go to whatsapp, instagram and other Actual Existing Public Forums
And yeah there are loads of racism on cracka internet but its not as if the average 4klanners is talking about uyghas from the hood when they're talking about normies, they're usually talking about magaboomers and non stem lord white people
One of the downsides of enlarging a community beyond its original narrow confines is that you now have to accomodate diverging interests while still doing value judgement. For example you can't make anime threads anymore cuz imageboards are now filled with boomers who think that anime will either make you trans or a pedo.
This also happens in Tumblr btw. Its getting increasingly hard to agree on something as a community because of how many conflicting viewpoints there are in said community. This is what ppl meant by 'normies', i.e people with different ideas basically.
This is not just some terminally online problem. Having to accomodate diverse viewpoints while maintaining a coherent communal identity is the challenged facaed by all democracies. When this failed people regress to nihilism- i.e "we should do away with democracy and its lack of clear cut judgements" which ends in fascism. In online terms fascism usually comes in the form of online mobs to harass anyone viewed as outside of the forum norms and force them to form a separate board, which is the reason why leftypol existed in the first place
>>2407357The only way forward for the internet is to ban racism, far right ideologies, lgbtphobia, etc. because people who indulge in that without hiding their "power level" are always schizophrenic lunatics incapable of maintaining polite society or civilization.
You'll be attacked, called woke, called pussy faggot, etc but the reality is that unless you gatekeep savages who have no intention of contribution to a community, they will sabotage it from the inside and destroy it. You will never get anything done because they will constantly turn every discussion into a shitstorm.
There was a reason why old successful forums banned this shit (as well as religious discussion) on sight, and it wasn't because they were "woke"
>>2407307you might not be a radlib or a schizo but you are wrong lol. i agree with these anons
>>2407354>>2407347>>2407342i remember when the "off topic" section of forums i frequented was people talking about like, family events & working on their cars and things like that. now "off topic" is where schizophrenics talk about femboys. and i dont even understand how anyone uses discord which seems to have replaced every other kind of hobby forum. just godawful UI, need to keep up with messages constantly, no way to just pop on for a bit at the end of the day and catch up with conversations
>>2407362furries also aren't afraid to gatekeep their communities from scum, in general. they are the only internet subculture to maintain their sense of identity instead of fading into irrelevancy or schizophrenia.
people should really be harder when it comes to ousting RWers or schizos. They are almost net-negative to the health and longevity of a hobby of culture. being a schizo should be a sign of shame nearly as bad as being a literal pedophile
>>2407366They have less neo-nazis than any other community. Literally every other subculture on the internet bent over backwards to get fucked by trump and fash, at best going full redscarepod schizo.
We live in extremely reactionary times.
>>2407370What's the least Chud occupied hobby or community out there?
Gotta be the cooking youtubers.
>>2407370This is true though
Snoop Dogg appeared in the Trump inauguration
We are terminally online so our main loci of interaction with rightoids is xitter where the average right winger is @bronzeagerapist1488 who talk about transhumanistcum all the time
But in reality this shit was much more widespread. There is a reason why libtards talk about "vibe shift" (they hear their colleagues saying retarded faggot once)
But it is a very short lived one. The tariffs, the ICE arrests, Elon being cringe, the fact that Trump dindunuffin agaisnt Israel or even stop the war in Ukraine, and now the Epstein files is the final nail in the coffin against the drab-delivered domination of the right
>>2407370Was there any attempt to culture police the furries? Shit like “The Toxic Misogyny of the Furry Fandom” being a talking point? Cause I blame the rightward shift in stuff like the vidya community on feminists doing shit like that.
Course the furry community is pretty decentralized and has been pretty historically pro-LGBT IIRC. So I’m not sure if there’d be as much of a culture to police—like furry magazines scolding furries and telling them to check their fursona or something.
>>2407372I want to say non-mainstream music but I don't have enough experience with the subculture.
>>2407380Factually incorrect post because there are furries in the third world and china. China has a shitload of furries for some reason. Also, most nazis are not living in their moms basement, but retards like catturd, elon, or matt walsh who are wealthy or grifters who failed to make it big in the entertainment scene so fell back on politics.
>>2407374>>2407376picrel
>>2407377Hindutva fash are Vegetarian, not Vegan. They consume dairy. Anyway not really important. Your mileage may vary with diet politics. Some vegans are vegan because they heard you have less chance of getting cancer, etc. while other Vegans have a more animal-centered reasoning behind what they do. And of course with Hindus it's religious.
>>2407259>journo covering his eyes during some softcore scene in one of the Yakuza gameskek
>>2407272>Years of Lead Paintdouble kek
>>2407307>normie unironically means non-white and/or poorfuck off
>>2407350thanos_balanced_as_all_things_should_be.jpg
>>2407360>just godawful UI, need to keep up with messages constantly, no way to just pop on for a bit at the end of the day and catch up with conversationsAll of the modern internet has just awful UX, distinctly inferior than what used to be more common.
>>2407393I remember this being some kind of libertarian thing about supposedly stupid government regulations.
90% of all the modern stupid shit you see on the right these days started with the lolberts.
>>2407386Hoteps rising a fist at the Black Panther function or Nazis sieg heiling at The Northman showing.
Who wins?
>>2407393weve really reached the point where the reactionaries will just kill themselves
I support this
>>2407400No Haz. All that does is make the Left and Right not trust you because it repulses everybody. Everytime I see this idea propped up, I think about the study that shows popularity for Centrism in the US is the lowest it's ever been. If that's true, I have a pet theory that
Third Positionism "culturally Right, economically Left" consistently fails to stick as a viable political movement in the US because people can innately sense it's merely an inverted form of Centrism (instead of taking ideas from all corners of the political spectrum and sterilizing them of any substance, you haphazardly bolt together many maximalist ideas, even when they're contradictory, and try to force them into coherence)
>>2407417 (me)
well until trump fucked it but eh
>>2407419>he thinks theres a way forwardsmh, theres no way forward. Trump is just an anomoly. Rainbow capitalism will forever remain eternal.
You will live under capitalism but with rainbow characteristics until the day you draw last breath
>>2407420I absolutely could not care less about that conflict.
>>2407421You're retarded.
>>2407422No Ive embraced the reality that theres no escape from capitalism. Fukuyama was right.
Neoliberalism has won. And you and everyone else here is coping.
>>2407426It's because rightoids literally never cared about "freedom" other than as a vector for eventual takeover.
The plan is always total domination.
>>2407400Part of the issue with all these red-brown / horseshoe theory / "beyond left and right" mashups is that they're usually cooked up by cosplaying nerds who treat politics like an identity – or worse, a subculture. It's not about fixing anything, it's about being something. And what they choose to be is usually absurd and self-important.
Take Haz, for example. He's not a dangerous insurgent – he's a forum poster with delusions of grandeur, making a SoundCloud mixtape of the most alienating traits from each side. Stalin meets Dugin! Let’s take the rigid jargon of Marxist subreddits and combine it with the meme-aesthetics of fascist Telegram channels. That'll really get the nerds marching in formation in a park somewhere.
The opposite of that? It's treating politics like fixing a leaky sink or something. Boring, unsexy, necessary. It's about potholes. It's about rent. It's about maybe not getting bankrupted for going to the ER (if we're lucky). But fringe types don't want that. They want to build a lifestyle brand where we dress as extras and have moody lighting. Retro uniforms. Soviet realism art. Ancient ruins. Marble statues.
>>2407408Cosplay centrism turned inside out. Instead of watering down ideas from the left and right, they do the opposite, they max out the sliders and bolt together contradictory extremes.
>>2407459>they're usually cooked up by cosplaying nerds who treat politics like an identityI mean that can apply to you and actually most ideological needs.
>It's not about fixing anything, it's about being something. And what they choose to be is usually absurd and self-important.That can apply to the standard economic right cultural right and culturally left economic left. Anyone going into politics and activist have this mentality.
>>2407400Works in the global south, where cultural idioms like LGBT, feminism, etc. are perceived as invasive, but not in the Western world. The other anon was right, it's a form of inverted centrism, as mainstream politics here these days are culturally left, but economically right.
I get the impulse, when you are against the ruling class economically, why not be against it culturally? But that is an undialectical view on history. Just because capitalism does away with the extended and the nuclear family it does not mean we should go back to patriarchal structures.
>>2407524MSNBC is spending hours a day trying to reform pedophiles like Clinton because, according to their claim, has admitted to association with Epstein while sayimg Trump is bad because he doesnt talk about epstein.
This is a strange position. To take in democrat pedophiles for admitting to associating with epstein then castigate trump for not talking about his association with a pedophile.
>>2407400>culturally rightMeaningless.
“All that is solid melts into air”
>>2407583>Are you not supposed to make fun of a black woman's wig falling off?Depends
>Or is it women just being more sensitive about stuff like this?Absolutely because "now she feels ugly" and that worse than torture and rape.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/blackstone-executive-among-dead-manhattan-shooting-firm-says-2025-07-29/
>"We are heartbroken to share that our colleague, Wesley LePatner, was among those who lost their lives in the tragic incident at 345 Park Avenue. Words cannot express the devastation we feel,"
>LePatner was a senior managing director at the firm and Global Head of Core+ Real Estate and the Chief Executive Officer of Blackstone Real Estate Income Trust (BREIT), the firm added. She joined Blackstone in 2014 from Goldman Sachs, according to the company's Web site. She graduated summa cum laude from Yale and was married in 2006, according to a wedding announcement in the New York Times.>Blackstone CEO Stephen Schwarzman and President Jon Gray wrote a note to all staff on Monday calling the day the "worst day in the firm's 40 year history," according to sources who saw the memo. The executives also said that Blackstone's New York office will be closed on Tuesday.>Later on Tuesday morning, Blackstone will hold a Zoom call, sources familiar with the matter told Reuters.>Gunman Shane Tamura, 27, walked into the office building that also houses the NFL headquarters, accounting firm KPMG and real estate company Rudin Management, among other major financial firms, carrying a rifle and opened fire>He sprayed bullets in the lobby, according to New York City Police, where people were ducking for cover or trying to escape.>He then made his way to the 33rd floor of the skyscraper where he killed himself. >>2407584Interesting, where from tho? Manifesto?
In any case, seems we got a two for one today, boys
>>2407654>>2407653Nice synchronicity, friendo
Pretty impressive with the pace of this place
>>2407584Now I'm wondering if he actually killed himself.
>>2407648Bagged a real parasite at least.
>>2407551Solution: Grow your own motherfucking hair like women of every other race does.
I'm glad natural hair is more popular now than 20 years ago, but this 100% wig all the time bullshit has got to go.
>Wesley Meredith Mittman, the daughter of Ellyn Mittman and Lawrence Mittman of New York, is to be married today to Evan Harris LePatner, a son of Roberta LePatner and Barry B. LePatner, both also of New York. Rabbi Mychal Springer is to officiate at the St. Regis in New York.https://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/fashion/weddings/20Mittman.html
>BARRY B. LePATNER is the founder of LePatner & Associates LLP, which serves as legal and business advisor to corporations, institutions, and developers. He is the author of Broken Buildings, Busted Budgets: How to Fix America’s Trillion-Dollar Construction Industry
>LePatner & Associates, LLP is one of the nation’s foremost construction law firms. For over 36 years, founder Barry LePatner has provided sophisticated and comprehensive legal counsel and business advisory services to corporations, real estate developers and investors, healthcare and educational institutions, non-profit organizations, as well as design professionals who are planning and building capital projects.
>Lawrence Mittman is a partner in the Real Estate Practice Group in the New York office. Larry is a reorganization and restructuring lawyer with more than thirty-five years’ experience representing banks, financial institutions, funds and other entities in all aspects of their business functions.>Larry Mittman is a member of the Real Estate Practice Group in the New York office. Larry is a reorganization and restructuring lawyer with more than thirty-five years' experience representing banks, financial institutions, funds and other entities in all aspects of their business functions. He regularly advises clients on general corporate and commercial matters with a particular focus in the areas of real estate and finance, including DIP facilities, mezzanine debt and distressed debt transactions.https://www.linkedin.com/in/ellyn-mittman-a5a06a1>Ellyn Roth Mittman is a lawyer practicing real estate law, general civil, commercial practice and 7 other areas of law. Ellyn received a B.A. degree from Union College in 1974, and has been licensed for 47 years. Ellyn practices at Ellyn Roth Mittman in New York, NY.https://www.lawyers.com/new-york/new-york/ellyn-roth-mittman-453888-a/https://www.nytimes.com/1978/05/28/archives/ellyn-sue-roth-fiancee-of-lawrence-mittman.html>Mr. and Mrs. Frank Roth of Roslyn, L.I., have announced the engagement of their daughter, Ellyn Sue Roth, to Lawrence Mittman, son of Mr. and Mrs. Joseph Mittman of New York. A fall wedding is planned.>The couple are New York lawyers. Miss Roth is with Orenstein, Snitow, Sutalt & Pollack and her fiancé is with Weil, Gotshal & Manges.>The bride‐to‐be graduated magna cum laude from Union College and from the Washington University School of Law in St. Louis. Her father is president of Frank Roth Associates, Westbury, LI., designer and manufacturer of custom furniture.>Mr. Mittman, a magna cum laude graduate of Yeshiva University, is an alumnus of the Columbia University Law School. His father is president of Harry Mittman Inc., jobber and distributer of women's wear and household goods. >>2407497first clip I've ever seen where I basically agree with him
he usually says something insanely patriarchal and segregationist>>2407499duh. it's a big club and you ain't in it.
>>2407648lmao based.
dead CEO of the Blackstone reit which was one of those buying all those residential property
>>2407688why do burger opinions always
>start off insanely reactionarybut then
>change really fastbut at the same time
>they never learn or remember the next time it happenswe saw this with iraq for example
>>2407703yeah but anyone with a memory longer than say, 20 years, would have remembered abu ghraib and depleted uranium and fallujah and all that shit and went "wait a second" when october 7th happened and israel demanded the
return of hostages corpses of thousands of arab children
>>2407725>they actively and gleefully support itYes, people actively and gleefully pay their taxes because if they don't they go to jail to get raped and made legal slaves to pay off the debt.
>>2407732>repatriation of stolen resources.You are welcome to take back all the plastic shit you want, dumbass. Seriously what exactly are all these stolen resources the average person owns in your mind?
>>2407755>The average citizen of America is as much a “prisoner” as a typical SS officer was a “prisoner” to the Third Reichwell the average german under the third reich was not an SS officer and a lot of germans were in fact prisoners of the third reich so I think your analogy fails to scold the way you want it to scold. also after the third reich was defeated there was an occupation and repatriation but unfortunately it failed to actually punish a lot of those most responsible for the crimes of the third reich, let alone ordinary germans, who actually benefited from the end of the third reich whether in West Germany through the economic reconstruction of the Marshall Plan or in East Germany through Socialism. In fact, Germany was MORE punished after WW1 than it was after WW2 despite being much more directly responsible for WW2 than WW1. If anything the lesson of WW1 is that if you use the outcome of a war to punish a population collectively through unenforceable treaties, you only cause hyperinflation which leads to economic resentment, the rise of reactionary ideologies, and another war later on.
>the untold millions in the periphery exploited and murdered so that you can maintain your quality of lifethere is literally zero correlation between my quality of life and the "untold millions murdered" both my bourgeois leaders and glowie scolds on the internet want me to believe that palestinian children need to die so that bread can be cheap but the truth is productive forces are actually more productive when people aren't slaughtered and the reason the capitalists slaughter people is to keep up the falling rate of profit. For more information on this curious phenomenon, consult Chapter 3 of "Fascism and Social Revolution" by Rajani Palme Dutt, particularly the section titled "The Deliberate Destruction of Productive Forces" found at 3 minutes into this video.
>>2407763> consult Chapter 3 of "Fascism and Social Revolution" by Rajani Palme Dutt, particularly the section titled "The Deliberate Destruction of Productive Forces" found at 3 minutes into this video.(me again)
if you take nothing else away from this post, take this btw
>>2407799i believe he joined the IDF.
source: the most sane /USApol/ posters
>>2407732America will never be occupied by a foreign army thanks to the two gigantic oceans which make that virtually impossible. America can only be destroyed from within, which is why it's vital that the left does not just sit on their hands but actively oppose the US government.
You are close to the truth, America MUST be destroyed but most Americans are willing and enthusiastic collaborators. Despite this, The duty of the left is to use constantly escalating militarism to physically disrupt the power of the US government by any means and at any cost necessary.
Most Americans will oppose this, but that makes no difference. The only alternative is human extinction, a route most of the strasserites here choose with great aplomb, eagerly leading the world down the road of total global genocide so they can feel good about doing nothing.
>>2407817based
for the world to live amerikkkans must die
>>2407828literally and uncontroversially true
responsibility is fascism
>>2407836crackers are basically orcs though
read iceman inheritance and settlers
>>2407839This whole fucking website is chock full of brain dead "third worldist"s and it has been for a while.
You know it's kind of ironic, they really are what they accuse US proles of being: accepting of the fact that the US maintains its economy by maintaining hegemony abroad but mouth foamingly aggressively resistant to doing anything about it by accusing anyone who is of being a compatibilist succdem
>>2407892read the sermon on the mount, especially the part where jesus talks about loving your enemies and praying for those who persecute you
the christian obsession with unconditional forgiveness for the most heinous irredeemable wretches is clearly fascist. we can't forgive rapists, racists, murderers, fraudsters, etc… western "culture" has spent the past 5 centuries forgiving people like that and look where it got us
>>2407782The
actually Orwellian word swap of replacing "Producing for export" with "overcapacity" or "overproduction" in a "weak domestic market".
And then following through as if the inability of imperial powers to compete is actually China's economy failing and "flooding" or "spilling" onto other markets.
>>2407763(me again)
this post got no replies, but the glowies larping as maoists made sure to ignore it and make 10 more posts reasserting their failed theses
>>2407900they fear "overproduction" because it increases TRPF while simultaneously proving that a better world is possible. see
>>2407763>>2407788the imperialists destroy the productive forces and human life to restore profit rate. then they turn around and tell the imperial core proles "we do this to keep you safe from vengeful third worlders"
It's not true!
>>2407852The great myth is that we want the same thing. I, as a Marxist-Leninist, want to destroy America so there can be peace on earth and a chance for humanity to survive the coming climate apocalypse.
You want America to be reformed and stripped of it's most self-destructive tendencies so it can dominate the world forever.
We both understand that American dominance brings almost limitless suffering to everyone else on earth, but the difference is I want to change it while you want it to benefit you. We are not the same.
>>2407901It got no replies because it deserves none.
>>2407897Macron: Married to woman 24 years older than him
Trump: Married to woman 24 years younger than him
>>2407922they say
Globalists are the 'bad' CEOs, like bill gates, klaus Schmitt. The good ones like ellon musk are fighting the deep state and their working class, unlike the teachers union who is the elite.
>>2407898>the part where jesus talks about loving your enemies and praying for those who persecute youSocialists: "its not my responsibility to educate you"
Jesus: "It kind of fucking is!!! There is no one else here to scold the soulless liberals into striving to regain their humanity that capital carved out of them like a pumpkin"
>the christian obsession with unconditional forgiveness for the most heinous irredeemable wretches is clearly fascistdid you hear about that guy who tried to crucify several Christian priests for spreading what he thought was the fraudulent Paul (i.e a fascist war criminal who was 'born again' to do more fascism, like George W Bush!) version of Christ's message? lmao
>>2407763>want me to believe that palestinian children need to die so that bread can be cheapthe central contradiction is fossil fuel petrochemicals that allow you to have the energy to do anything more than cutting wood all day to stay warm. Not a coincidence that all the same Zionist propaganda liars we see today were also cheering lies behind their war against Iraq (not a single Israeli died in their war btw) who tried to do some kind of petro-dollar revolution
>the truth is productive forces are actually more productive when people aren't slaughteredgamerchair pseuds trying to lecture the bourgeois dictatorship: "actually real capitalism is what China is doing"
>capitalists slaughter people is to keep up the falling rate of profit<"gravity makes things fall because of physics mechanics"Sometimes science explanations are like religious orthodoxy dogma, they say the right words and people's brains turn off and they stop asking questions because they are satisfied with jargon
>>2407965Realtalk but there's actually quite a lot of potential from using colorful cartoon aesthetics and popular characters to convey important topics. Imagine having Sonic characters explaining Marx's theory of how wages are calculated or the usefulness of the "landback" movement through a serious of humorous arguments and anecdotes. Malatesta's At the Cafe is one of his most popular works and it's effectively just a series of back and forth banter between a bourgeois politician and an anarcho communist activist.
I know I know on a scale of importance this ranks towards the bottom but if we're looking for ways to make communism easier to digest for zoomers and gen alphas with their miniscule attention spans then maybe it's something worth thinking about a bit.
>>2407985>If you are not out breaking the law en masse, you are not a Leninist and therefore not a communist. phew thank god I torrented some books this week or else I would have lost my leninism loisence
> You are a LARPer or a book worshipper. Leninism is action, not words.Doh!
>>2407994to see if I still feel
i focus on the speed
the only thing that's real
>>2407841Once again, hello there, glowie. Hope you enjoy reading that bullshit book Settlers. Sakai constantly misinterprets what Foster says.
>>2407763You did a great job with that post.
>>2407901>>2407770American/Western Maoist Third Worldists like Felix truly are and have always been the gullible guilt-ridden unwitting stooges of glowies.
first, the cameras were off. then the footage was not recorded. then the footage was deleted. then the footage resurfaced. then the footage had a minute missing from an edit. now it no longer has a minute missing, but is yet to be released by the FBI.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-jail-video-no-missing-minute-government-source-says/>The "missing minute" from the surveillance video at the Manhattan Metropolitan Correctional Center where Jeffrey Epstein died in 2019 may not be missing after all, CBS News has learned.>A government source familiar with the investigation says the FBI, the Bureau of Prisons and the Department of Justice inspector general are all in possession of a copy of the video that does not cut from just before 11:59 p.m. to midnight of the night Epstein died by suicide in his cell.>Attorney General Pam Bondi was questioned about the gap during a July 8 Cabinet meeting with President Trump. She said the missing minute was the result of a nightly reset of the video that caused the recording system to miss one recording minute every night, and attributed that information to the Bureau of Prisons.>Bondi said the department would share other video that showed the same thing happened every night when the video system reset. That video, however, has not yet been released. >One thing that is clear, forensic experts say, is that the version of the recording released by the FBI was edited and not raw, as the government stated.>>2408132Is the Sheriff bulletproof or are you just cowards? You say you want to do "community defense" yet all I see here is planning for a soup kitchen. That is not community defense.
Defense is suicidal and reactionary anyway, the only way forward is offensive war against the state. Defense is ceding the initiative to the enemy, which means you are conceding defeat.
>>2408144If you want to earn the trust of the community and help those in need, you could start by liberating their neighborhood and setting up structures of dual power to replace those functions ceded by the state. A good example is the IRA, who was able to liberate entire neighborhoods and towns by sniping at the cops, forcing them to abandon the area, before IRA cadres came in to take over security and administration.
Giving out food to those who need it is not a bad idea, as long as you're also giving out bullets to those who deserve it.
DUAL power.
Not single power.
All political action must be military in nature and all military action political, this is the essence of Leninism.
>>2408151And I agree on that, but we lack the numbers and infrastructure at present time to simply start shooting cops. The shit with food distribution and patrolling the community is meant to be the "outer circle" of the organization, the above ground and legal aspect of the revolutionary front which will also be tasked with setting up additional front groups. Once that starts getting set up, the "inner circle" has more cover to do underground activity, spread propaganda, and training patrols in the outer circle for combat.
Also it's just better optics if we start with protecting food distribution centers before we get into the whole IRA business. The idea of some community volunteer organization being forced to take up arms to defend itself makes a much more compelling narrative and therefor encourages more sympathy than starting out as "guys in ski masks sniping police officers"
>>2407669Well actually black women alongside wearing wigs also like wearing extensions. It’s a cultural thing and not so much a thing of shame about their hair. You see braided extensions of their already braided natural hair. It’s a stylistic and cultural thing more than it is a thing about shame of their natural hair.
s/ person who actually interacts with black women.
>>2408135Trump should just come out and say "yeah I fucked underage jailbait girls on Epstein Island. Deal with it, libtards".
His fanbase would absolutely love it and no one would do anything against him other than maybe another impeachment attempt by the democucks.
> U.S. contractor and former Green Beret Anthony Agular, who worked for the U.S.-Israeli-backed GHF, speaks out, sharing the story of a Palestinian child named Amir who went to get aid but was killed, prompting Agular to break his silence:
>“On May 28, at secure distribution site #2, this young boy, Amir, walks over to me, reaches out & kisses my hand. This boy is not wearing shoes. His clothes are falling off of him because he is so skinny….He doesn’t have a box, he has half a bag of rice , lentils, and he was thanking us.
>He walked 12 kilometers to get there … & when he got there he thanked us for the crumbs he got … & he set them on the ground & his frail, skeletal, emaciated hands, and he kissed me and said 'thank you.'
>And then he collected his items, walked back to the group, and then he was shot at with pepper spray, and tear gas, and stunt grenades, and bullets, and he was shot at, at his feet and in the air, and he runs away…and the IDF were shooting at the crowd … they are shooting … and they are shooting into this crowd & Palestinians, civilians, human beings, are dropping to the ground, and Amir was one of them… Amir walked 12 kilometers to get food, got nothing but scraps, thanked us for it, and died.”
>>2408136I'd love an Elon run just because I think the Presidency kind of functions as a ritual humiliation for the rich. Like, Trump and Elon both have one shared interest, which is their desperate need to be liked. In Trump's case, being a freak of the 80s, it was more or less just a desire to be liked by celebrities. He couldn't give a shit what Cletus from West Virginia thinks about him, but it fills him with intense rage that he's just an outsider to the incestuous inner circle of Hollywood stars. Like the dude basically told filmmakers they could use his properties whenever they wanted as long as he got a cameo. He wants to be in that circle of Hollywood elites types, but they find him disgusting.
Elon is even more pathetic. Being a Silicon Valley Techbro, for him it's a social-media influenced desire. It's not just starpower, it's just volume. Quantity. I'll say one thing about twitter and the like: in some ways it democratized speech. Like, to the extent it broke a lot of peoples' brains. There was actually a funny trend back during the whole Gamergate fiasco where a lot of news sites that had comments sections just completely jettisoned them precisely because their reporters couldn't handle so many people calling them stupid. They hate the plebian masses talking to them, but before they had some insularity and could convince themselves they're real truth tellers. Now they've been dragged from the ivory towers and confronted by dudes with names like "Smegmaman1488" and called a cuck when their article: "Why the U.S. needs Israel, not the other way around" gets published.
Musk is confronted by those guys too, but he desperately wants them to like him. You can't convince me Trump actually gives a fuck about what Cat Turd thinks, but Musk is smashing his head against a wall trying to figure out how he could get this internet loser to like him.
Then comes the Presidential Election, and in many ways its a popularity contest. And in the case of Trump it made him angry, but in the case of Elon I think it'd make him insane. Because he's got the exact kind of cringe that'd get him primary'd by some Republican holding venomous snakes in his hands and convincing himself that we're one sacrificed bovine away from bringing Jesus back. He'd get panic attacks, because assuming he doesn't actually rig it, this would be one indisputable message to him: you're a fucking loser, no one likes you.
>>2408278Vigilantism and mob rule are closer to fascism than any true justice. The KKK saw themselves as valiant heroes imparting justice on blacks whenever they started lynching people.
Idc if you call me shitlib, death penalty should be made illegal at all times and the State should never have the authority to execute people no matter how heinous their crimes.
>>2408328Much like any other pro-death sentence uygha out there your arguments are just appeals to emotion: "think about the family of the victims!" "Wouldn't you want to personally torture and kill a criminal who did horrible things?" Instead of just thinking for 10 seconds about the myriad of problems that result from either the State or some self-appointed "proletarian" mob like you advocate unilaterally deciding to execute people. What if the accused is innocent? What if instead of vicious criminals being executed the targets become dissidents or marginalized groups?
You (or some other anon) mentioned Jacob Geller before so I recommend watching his and Shaun's videos regarding the death penalty to see how much a barbaric institution it is.
>>2408284TBQH we must distinguish between criminal penalty and war. Violent terror is an absolute necessity in times of war. I think the death penalty is mostly pointless outside of war. For the Zionists and other capitalists, we are in a state of class war, violent terror (soberly applied) is a necessity.
What is the difference between criminal penalty and war? I would say that in the modern era war is a battle over the control of state-monopoly capital.
This means to me that violent terror (soberly applied) is sensible for:
- Enemy officers of state-monopoly capital.
- Cops and other hired soldiers of state-monopoly capital.
- Certain other opportunist and criminal bandit-types.
I think the death penalty is mostly pointless for those who control the state-monopoly capital. I think in the context of class war, violent terror is justifiable.
>>2408402Have you ever considered doing something about these problems?
I have a suggestion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFzu_w7d9W0>>2408404A lifestyle which they know for a fact is sustained by the endless suffering of everyone else on earth, but which they condemn mostly because it doesn't benefit them enough.
>>2408406Why would they when their livelihoods are invested in this horror?
>>2408407Nothing is ever good enough for a golden billionoid, its quite remarkable how their decadence only increases with every passing year and yet they whine “more more more!” That’s what these people think communism is, and when the moment it becomes clear to them that as Lenin put it “he who does not work neither shall he eat” they will oppose you as violent as any SS officer, like the Spirinodovites during the October Revolution. The truth that even most so called “Marxists” in America fail to realize is that you have to purge the left with extreme prejudice for communism to ever have a chance
>>2408414>There will never be a perfect institutionTrue, so why trust one with the lives of people?
>Mob justice is basically the future. First it was the natural state of humans and noble savages like the Native Americans and now the future? Make up your mind.
>People doling out justice according to the community’s peculiaritiesEven more insane and ripe for abuse and corruption system you cooked here. What if my community's peculiarities is that it should be ethnically homogeneous and minorities should be lynched like the KKK?
>>2408420Even their food is often looted from the developing world and produced only via the benefit of slavery. Mexico exports something like 60% of it's crops to the USA so we can have cheap beef and avocados. Meanwhile, Mexican farm workers live under conditions so bad many of them would rather face the extreme danger of illegal immigration to America, where they will be used as slaves in everything but name (and they know this) rather than live another day in Mexico.
Without this ruthless exploitation of Mexico (and all the rest of South and Central America), the American economy as we know it would not exist. Their entire standard of living would collapse overnight. The slop they shovel down their gullets would no longer be affordable for the average worker.
>>2408440The problem is not how YOU, an individual, "gets around the problem" but how we, as a society, end it.
Stop thinking so individualistically. You are not important. The system is.
>>2408426You realize that Marx never was interested in forming utopian societies in his mind where he accounts for every little thing. Marx was only interested in a critical view of what is and how it would influence the future, material conditions form and change our ideas. In any case if you take a critical view of what is you’ll realize that mob justice will be the political form punishment justice will take. It won’t be exactly the same as conditions are different everywhere but it’ll be a thing and a powerful thing.
In any case this whole thing started because I said that the only correct way of having dealt with the Nazis was mob justice. ᴉuᴉlossnW was dealt with with mob justice, him and his cohort were brutalized, especially after death. ᴉuᴉlossnW the man was never martyred, maybe the ideas of fascism endure but not him. Hitler the man has endured and become mythologized. He shot himself in a bunker, if the Germans got to beat his dead corpse to a pulp as well as all of his high command, they definitely wouldn’t have been mythologized as they are today. The same will be done to Israelis. They will be savagely dealt with because the only world in which the Israeli regime will pay for its crimes will be one in which mob justice is allowed to be done with impunity.
>>2408444Land reform is a simple problem to solve in America. All land to the tillers. Anyone who owns a farm small enough that they actually work it themselves gets to keep it. Anyone who has to exploit the labor of others to operate a farm will be dispossessed because they are not a farmer, they are a kulak who leases out land to laborers for profit.
America DESPERATELY needs land reform. The old idea of a farmer looking like this is bunk, family farms are mostly dead now and they have been replaced by gigantic agribusinesses with millions of acres and thousands of employees. Together they form cartels to manipulate prices, and their economic strength is such that they receive billions in subsidies from the government so they can continue unsustainable, land destroying farming practices mostly designed to keep burgers cheap.
The agricultural system in the DDR was nearly perfect, IMO. It was so good that after the fall, DDR farmers fought in court for 40 years to maintain their co-ops until they were finally crushed under the weight of West German capital.
>>2408455There’s what, maybe a hundred or so people in the United States that actually till their own land purely for their use? And even then they’re being benefited by government subsidies which exist because of the strong state of the American economy which exists because of America’s campaign of genocide and rape against the third world keeps profits rolling in. Even if you return “land to the tiller” like some kind of SR you’re still not solving the other systemic issues
>>2408457Don’t be ridiculous, kulaks will get the bullet too, if they’re lucky. However I should warn you Chekists are nothing if not imaginative
>>2408451Again, you're just posting your revenge fantasies and declaring this will be the future and what everyone must do because you're (rightfully) upset at Zionist crimes.
ᴉuᴉlossnW is still venerated to this day by fascists, doesn't matter if his corpse was beaten up and hanged on a public plaza and curiously enough, the fascist themselves were the ones who started the tradition of executing and hanging corpses in that same plaza, only they belonged to communists and partisans.
The reason why a lot of Nazi leadership never received true justice is because many of them were rehabilitated into Western
and Soviet institutions and the political structure of Germany largely remained the same, even in the DDR. Not because they weren't lynched in public for all to see.
I cannot tell you what will be the fate of the Zionists, doubt there even will be a Nuremberg Trials type judgement seeing how they're backed by infinite economic and military support from the West and the "axis of resistance" is either too weak to oppose them or opposing them goes against their national and economic interests. If you ask me personally, rather than writing fanfics about how we're going to rape Netanyahu to death more effort should be done to think about how to properly pay reparations to Palestinians and implement affirmative action policies to integrate them into society, while also completely re-educating Israelis and destroy Zionism and ethno-nationalism as a political ideology.
>>2408400You are a pussy who only posts.
>>2408406You can get into the US and do it yourself…
>>2408455Less than 1% of the population farms because of tractors and modern tech and you want to give this 1% all the farm land? Brilliant stuff lol
>>24084762.6 million people work in agriculture, very few of those own a farm.
All land to the tillers doesn't mean all land to the land owners. It means all land to the actual workers. Who else is going to work the land, you and your clueless friends who have no experience? What else are you going to do with farmworkers?
Study how agriculture worked in the DDR. Land was collectivized in terms of small agricultural co-ops that pooled seed and machinery. The system worked incredibly well and farmers even fought for it after the fall of the DDR.
>>2407648look at this bro. he swags.
when the socialist revolution happens, he's free to go to a personal farm.
>>2408493>It means all land to the actual workers.Right but instead of giving it to one very small segment of the total population who currently just happens to work in a single industry we could give all workers all the land to own in common aka communism. Why stop with this half measure that give all arable land to less than 1% of the population and turns them into the new ownership class?
>What else are you going to do with farmworkers? Get them to train new ones? You could easily double the amount of farm workers and reduce hours worked at the same time. Production levels stay up but hours forced to work reduced.
>>2408494The petit bourgeois land owners will be dispossessed in favor of the workers they exploit. The land can be converted into farmer's co-ops that pool machinery and seed to maximize productivity.
>>2408496>Right but instead of giving it to one very small segment of the total population who currently just happens to work in a single industry we could give all workers all the land to own in common aka communism. Why stop with this half measure that give all arable land to less than 1% of the population and turns them into the new ownership class?Because you need to incentivize people actually working in farms and living in rural areas, which most people do not want to do.
Again, this is how it went in the DDR, which was entirely self-sufficient and never had food shortages despite it's size. Farmer's co-ops made up of smallholds is a workable system for an industry that requires specialized labor.
>Get them to train new ones? You could easily double the amount of farm workers and reduce hours worked at the same time. Production levels stay up but hours forced to work reduced.No, the play is to automate farming even more, using co-ops to more evenly share machinery and therefore reduce the amount of actual farm labor necessary. Farm labor is awful, ruinously hard work and we should do everything we can to make it unnecessary. We would need to change the way we eat, but that is necessary anyway.
>>2408502There's also the question of how a revolutionary army would ever secure this country's vast interior without some sort of scheme to sway the farmers who inhabit most of the landmass to our side. If your policy is "We're going to fucking kill you", none of them are ever going to go along with it. Without the farmers on your side, any nascent revolution would be starved out immediately.
There will have to be a transitionary period wherein agriculture reverts to a model similar to that of the DDR before we can fully collectivize land. It will take a generation, or more, to get there, but even Marx admitted that the transition to full Communism is going to be slow. Keep in mind that inheritance will be banned, so when farmers die their children will not automatically inherit the land, which would allow the state to slowly gather land in common for full collectivization or distribution to new, trained farmers.
A policy of all land to the tillers breaks the power of the bourgeois landholders and gives us a new alliance among the millions of farm workers who will continue to be an absolute necessity for many years to come. Actual family farmers would approve of the giant monopolies that squeeze them out of business being broken, and the workers who are exploited by these big bourgeois landholders and financiers would become a loyal sector of the population.
>>2408504oh, shit, did he?
was he executed, instead? never mind, then.
>>2408502>Because you need to incentivize people actually working in farms and living in rural areas, which most people do not want to do. Give them more labor vouchers than comparable industries.
>the play is to automate farming even moreThat's fine but in the meantime you can increase amount of workers to reduce average work hours.
>Farm labor is awful, ruinously hard work and we should do everything we can to make it unnecessary.Thus we should decrease work hours until automation kicks in.
>We would need to change the way we eat, but that is necessary anyway.No disagreement here.
>>2408509>scheme to sway the farmers who inhabit most of the landmass to our side. They are already oppressed workers though. Just give them tons more benefits on top of overthrowing the Bourgeoisie who own the farms they work and make their life miserable.
>Without the farmers on your side, any nascent revolution would be starved out immediately. So you get the actual farmworkers on your side. No need to appease and empower the minuscule amount of kulaks who barely exist in America anyway.
>>2408537I mean, it sounds like a good grift tbh. A bit of strategic distribution and your totally not useless system will never be put to the test. Wikipedia says there were ~50 school shootings in the US last year. What are the odds? And besides, not only will embezzlement-friendly locales self-select to keep the grift going.
I bet they can get an ocean of subsidies if they fit in "veteran" programs and get hooked with the military proper. To pretend that they are not running a remote-toy-callcenter insurance scam. It's R&D or whatever and we do FPV drone testing on the side or whatever.
>>2408050that wall-text is wrong in many levels. First, Sartre was the first person ever who coined the term neo-colonialism. the mechanics in power after de-colonization is what Sartre tried to describe in his essay, published one decade even before the 60s.
In fact, what Sartre describes is that neo-colonialism leaves intact the economic system just after the colonization ends. Similar as the African countries had with France after they de-colonialized: a relationship the French national bank in which each African country is subdued to the whims of the French.
Now, in point "process of underdevelopment may indeed continue" is preceded by the conditions of the exploiting nations. who owns the technology necessary to develop further any new industry? who sells it, at what conditions, through what bank, under what international laws? that's not explained in that paragraph. in vacuum, conveys that the ex-colonized country is at fault for not developing itself, because 1) and 2). that's nonsense. 1) and 2) are just survivalist tools when these countries have to compete under unfair conditions.
the third paragraph is nonsensical. Marx never studied in depth the economic relationship between countries, only the economic relationship inside a capitalist country, where the power dynamics are a bit different. For that, Lenin is the perfect teacher, not Marx.
after three paragraphs, I can tell that person knows shit.
>>2408522The kulaks, as in, anyone who hires farm labor, would be dispossessed. There are very few small hold farmers who do not do this.
>>2408562lmao 60% of farm laborers are mexican, who the fuck do you think the land was stolen from in the first place? a quarter of america's most productive agricultural land used to be mexico.
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