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>>2404134 >>2405823I suspect this is the same for a lot of the "favorable" trade deals Trump has secured for the US
Lots of hidden costs and concessions that are relegated to obscure expense accounts so that WH can keep delivering "winning" narratives to MAGAboomers
>>2405819Because I live to ruin peoples’ fun. I remind libs that Clinton was a close associate of Epstein, I tell conservatives that Trump’s a pedo, I told pro-Ukraine guys they’re funding Nazis, and I tell people that Hamas is more moral than the IDF at this point.
>>2405825Unironically I suspect that’s just what the “kill your local pedophile” types ultimately are. People want someone to lynch, someone to torture and brutalize and humiliate, and pedophiles are the perfect unsympathetic subject to ply torture on. And the people who do it? They’ll be totally convinced of their moral righteousness. Hell, the excuse used in the south was “they wuz rapin’ our wimminz!” The reality was that hicks wanted to let out every libidinal impulse they could on people they thought no one would care about. Yknow the woman that got Emmet Till lynched still tried to sell her story as: “well I was wolf-whistled at! Should women just be catcalled without saying anything?!” Fucking hell.
I guarantee that if we let the “DEAD PEDOS DONT REOFFEND” crowd have their way, pretty soon they’ll be viciously torturing trans women cause “I’m defendin’ the children!”
>>2405833Ya, we all know he's in them. But if he has immunity it shouldn't matter much.
>>2405836>the Epstein presidentHe barely even cares what his base thinks. I think he knows they'll inject the kool-aid until he says stop. The right doesnt actually care about pedophilia, anyway. They only said so cause they were under a silly misguided notion every democrat worships Satan and rapes kids.
>>2405796Archive anon, I just wanna say that I really appreciate your efforts, aesthetics, and humor.
Please keep it up!
Lal salam
i >>2405834>Unironically I suspect that’s just what the “kill your local pedophile” types ultimately are. People want someone to lynch, someone to torture and brutalize and humiliate, and pedophiles are the perfect unsympathetic subject to ply torture on. And the people who do it? They’ll be totally convinced of their moral righteousness. Yes. Pedophila here is more of a means to an end (making what you do to the Other okay) as it summons a particular level of disgust and anger that makes the perpetrators seem less than human. They're just the Enemy that must be purged from society with vigilante justice. It's obvious if you've observed these worlds for any length of time.
>I guarantee that if we let the “DEAD PEDOS DONT REOFFEND” crowd have their way, pretty soon they’ll be viciously torturing trans women cause “I’m defendin’ the children!”Shoot up a pizza parlor? "Yeah, but I was saving the children!" You'll also notice an obsession with huge numbers, with anonymous and faceless children (that is an abstraction) more than real victims. Eventually they'll stretch reality so far that "protecting children" becomes an excuse to… defend Ghislaine Maxwell as the victim of a supposed Democrat child sex trafficking ring. If you've seen the Bertolucci movie, 1900, Donald Sutherland's fascist character commits sexual atrocities and blames them on communists and socialists.
>>2405881Wypepo cant rap fo shit, tbh
t. non-burger
>>2405885As a Marxist-Leninist I wonder: what did you really mean by your response? I've clearly laid down my premises (non of which you cared to address, mind) and then you proceed with shitting on me without being able to produce feces.
How strange.
>>2405894The reason why Christians associated LGBTQ people with pedophiles is because they both occupied the realm of the "moral outsiders". Thats why conservatives generally invoke bestiality also because zoophiliacs also occupied the signifier of a "moral outsider"
Truthfully the left does this too. I have seen a lot of esp parapolitic people who think that every porky is a child rapist cannibal fusion between Dr Mengele and Epstein. Why because porky is evil, pedos are evil, and cannibals are evil, so they basically occupy the same level in our moral compass and are interchangable
This is to ignore the fact that the bourgeoise are overwhelmingly just banal evil people. They will shat on their workers and ban us from bathroom breaks but they are not super evil psycho at least most of them, they just operate on a cold level of capitalist logic. Hannah Arendt despite being a chud pointed this out in the Banality of Evil
>>2405904We also do this with good traits. Since good traits occupy the same moral horizon to us we often use them interchangably and in a conjoined manner.
For example if we find a selfless person or a patient person we assume that they also possess other "good traits" like being loving or merciful. So when we discover that the patient and understanding teacher actually is very brutal against their own family we suffer a cognitive dissonance and assume that they are never actually good to begin with, that all their kindness they have shown us is a "mask", instead of understanding that people are complicated and deductive logic is sometimes flawed
>>2405930I hate this guy and Laura loomer so much. I can't even explain how much
She got over 50,000 likes total between these 3 saying it is a Muslim guy and Islamic terrorism.
It was literally a white guy
>>2405882Yknow that’s basically what The Punisher is (no big shocker the police and some members of the army adopted his logo) and it’s essentially “watch a dude do cartel style shit to people that word of god insists deserves it. Shit, I think in one comic he basically wraps a guys’ intestines around a tree to interrogate him. Honestly, it’s a Fascist’s wet dream.
That’s what makes one of the most prolific Punisher authors, Garth Ennis, such a weird contradiction. The dude has been described as broadly left wing, but if you read his Punisher run, or Crossed (28 days later but the Zombies are rapists too) or The Boys, I think you see a bit of excited sadism. Just this fascination with seeing people be tortured, broken, abused, even if it does say it’s wrong—in the end it’s a subject that gets indulged in a lot.
I think it was a mistake to make The Punisher an anti-hero, to show his sympathetic qualities, and as time marches on he just seems like more and more of a symbol of fascist totalitarianism. The attempts to sympathize him or portray him with a code only gives the audience permission to imagine there’s some “moral” way to be a violent psychopath.
>”Oh, the Punisher is nice to kids”>”The Punisher hates when cops try to use his logo”>”The Punisher LOVES Captain America!”I’m sorry, but The Punisher to me seems like the kind of psycho to fantasize about unloading a clip on a bunch of BLM protesters. The “Punishers” of the real world are dudes like those sheriffs a while ago that used “fighting the war on drugs” to break into poor peoples’ houses and torture them. I don’t trust anyone like that to have standards or enough prudence to determine if someone is guilty before they disembowel them. I think every time we lie to ourselves and pretend such men would have some “code”, we’re consenting to a degree of fascism.
>>2405894How about we just don’t torture anyone? Sure if someone has to be executed for one reason or another, execute them, but it seems just monstrous to make “slowly torture people to death” the part of any civilized nation’s laws.
>>2405941Drvmpf absolutely btfo'd again. Epstein files out now!
>>2405943Laura Groomer is literally a Lovecraftian eldritch abomination incarnated in a terrestrial "woman" - it's more plastic than organic parts at this point - and her unhinged, completely psychopathic extreme zionism in my not so humble opinion makes her a legitimate target for a Khorramshahr. She deserves to be completely incinerated in a purifying fire like some neighbourhood in Tel AvEvil last month. And kudos to that lib that tricked her into eating dog food for 100 bucks live on air.
>>2405955>that knife looks definitely islamig and derrorisd!>>2405958I once heard that thing being called a "centre sideburn". Or a "centreburn" if you will.
>>2405883Well it makes Zios like you seethe so it is worth that much at least.
> but I think that the "burger leftist" obsession over the Palestinian genocide (which is objectively happening, mind u) is a symptom of an imperial core idiocy. But you're too smart for that, big brain man. Thank you for that long post of nonsense, I will abandon caring about Gaza immediately on your advice.
God I hate these kind of posters so much. The epitome of the wrecker archetype in its purest form. Not a thought goes through their heads but:
>Huuhh all these other people are doing thing>How can I wreck it? >>2405977>>>>>Zios like youI would like to update your (((burger))) mind in the following way.
1) yes, I'm cognizant of the fact that there's an genocide ongoing in Palestine, but
2) this has no bearing of the overall horror of capitalism, no matter how you protest
3) even if 100% of Palestinians get exterminated, you (American) wouldn't get closer to achieving COMMUNISM.
4) YOU will never be a communist, you will never be able to throw down your individualistic socialization.
>>2405910>the law is above ruling class poweryou are quite naive arent you?
the law exists for plebs, not patricians.
>>2406014sad mentally ill people.
>muh ethnostatespooky
>>2406023Alternatively
<Radlibs spread liberal Zionism at the time that Israel backers are washing their hands of the genocide<Communists refuse to accept the excuses of radlibsI assume most communists will be against the next soon to be signed retreads of Oslo and Abraham accords as well. Despite radlibs screeching full lung that its a good thing and actually, when you think about it, resisting the genocide is the real cause of genocide.
>>2406034t. anti-communist
>>2406035>ou can fly to the US and then do what you think Americans should. What's stopping you?Major problem here, dog.
I'm a mwmber of a communist party, which means I can't set foot on your continent.
10/10, would fuck
>>2406043Communism ISN'T pacifism.
Communism ISN'T muh fee-fees.
Fuck Israel BUT ALSO closely monitor """burger leftists""" who obsess over a genocide of a few million ppl instead of focusing on wrecking their OWN Empire.
Kys >>2406047Are you ok?
>Communism ISN'T pacifism.Didn't say that
>Communism ISN'T muh fee-fees.Didn't say that either
>closely monitor """burger leftists""" who obsess over a genocide of a few million ppl instead of focusing on wrecking their OWN Empire.Our empire funds the Israelis so opposing the genocide is part of opposing empire.
>Kysno
You still didn't answer my question:
<the original anon (you?) said anti zionism is a facade for anti communism. If that was you, explain what you meant by that. >>2406003rosie o donnell hates trump and feuds with him
roseanne bar loves trump and glazes him
important difference
>>2406057Americans pretend to be anti-imperialist while enjoying the fruits of imperialism.
This is an economic and ideological fact.
The hyper-focus on Palestine by burgers is a charade. Yes, genocide is going on, but you hyper-focus on this issue EXACTLY BECAUSE you can't crush your own regime which creates the fucking genocide.
You. Are. An. Anti-communist.
>>2406074>Americans pretend to be anti-imperialist while enjoying the fruits of imperialism.most don't even do that much
>This is an economic and ideological fact.ok
>The hyper-focus on Palestine by burgers is a charademost burgers don't even say anything about palestine.
> Yes, genocide is going on, but you hyper-focus on this issue EXACTLY BECAUSE you can't crush your own regime which creates the fucking genocide.i literally said the same thing in the previous post.
>You. Are. An. Anti-communist.ok but how is anti-zionism a facade for american anti communism? The most rabidly anti communist americans are also rabidly pro zionist.
>>2406078>most burgers don't even say anything about palestineThis is factual, but my post was made in the context of this site, wherein we suppose axiomatically that we are commies.
>how is anti-zionism a facade for american anti communismI don't give a shit about "anti-zionism," dog. It has been a long time facade for non-communism.
Muh Palestinians
"K"
I only want the communisms
>>2406089>This is factual, but my post was made in the context of this site, wherein we suppose axiomatically that we are commies.most of this site is just people purity spiraling and pretending to be grand inquisitors and accusing each other of not being real commies and threatening to kill each other at some undecided point in the future.
>I don't give a shit about "anti-zionism," dog.ok
>It has been a long time facade for non-communism.how so?
>>2406077Demanding American leftists do a suicidal charge at the government isn't Marxist and it won't stop the Palestinian genocide.
You won't do a suicidal charge to stop the imperial machinery either. Can you really chastise Americans for doing exactly what you are doing?
>>2406091>>2406091>>2406091Humanism is incompatible with communism.
This is a fact.
I strangled your wife.
>>2406102from
>those evil white whores who race mix are making me so angryto
>the jews taught them to do this to us. they're too stupid and evil to know that only same colored dick is entitled to their pussiesto
>this is why I have to race mix with brown women and make brown babies. Because I'm done with white women betraying me with brown menthe lack of self awareness is astounding. makes me want to believe it's satire.
>>2406098Fair enough.
But at least you've confirmed you are just as worthless as the fattest dumbest Americans you hate. you should kys out of shame
>>2406115not what i said lol. i said black people in this country actually have a history of being enslaved and raped on a large and systemic scale for centuries, and are like 10% of the population. I think caring about race mixing is cringe and reactionary, but
I understand why a hotep type dude might be mad about seeing black women with white guys way more than I understand a white guy being mad about a white woman with a black man. White guys get angry if the white population drops below 90%. I remember an anon freaking out a few threads back and saying black people are 50% of his state and we looked it up and it was like 15% in the most recent census data lol. WASPs genocided entire continents that they got to keep to themselves in an age before the word "genocide" was even invented, let alone things like the Geneva convention or "international laws" or "war crimes tribunals." They brought millions of slaves into these huge continental settler colonies, then get mad when the free descendants of these slaves engage in consensual sexual relations with "their" women because they still see both the women and the descendants of the slaves as de facto property, even if they are no longer de jure property. It's literally the "isn't there somebody you forgot to ask?" meme. Increasingly I see white reactionaries talking about deporting not just Hispanic people but black Americans who have been here since the 1600s. Because at the end of the day they just want ethnic cleansing. They don't believe in national sovereignty either, so it's not like national liberation movements because they want to ethnically cleanse what are already settler colonies of brown people then subsequently wage wars of extermination against the places these people are deported to. That's the long term plan. A white planet. That's white supremacy. It has centuries of momentum and institutional backing behind it while angry hotep yotuubers do not. Comprende?
>>2406114Reddit anon, in imageboard culture posts often have subtext and are not always just what they say directly. You won't get a "/s" for sarcasm and sometimes the implications of certain things are not apparent to outsiders. Sometimes people cut to the chase and address what is really being said.
Now you might be autistic and not understand the idea of subtext so you might need to ask your guardian what that means. Good luck.
>>2406220Oddly this is probably closer in line with 20th century "Great Society/New Deal" ideals. The idea that citizens are a resource for the state isn't really that outrageous.
Now going from "Your health is an asset to the fatherland" to "But you don't deserve healthcare so die" is a bit of a stretch. If Democrats campaigned on the first half and cut the second half it might actually resonate with nationalist glowie neocon types.
>>2406279It makes sense if you read between the lines. Normal people see this and think "wow, they want to kill us all". Conservatives see that rhetoric and think "wow, America is going to be so Great when all the uyghurs and other non-whites are killed off by defunding their healthcare."
For some reason Conservatives just see themselves as immune to the consequences of their own policies and imagine they only affect their enemies.
>>2406291Aren't pigeons and guinea pigs consumed a lot in Peru?
I don't think they taste bad or else eating them would be a thing.
>>2406337>Ghost runnerGhost in the Shell?
Blade Runner?
>>2406379I have read way too much on the psychology of incels, reactionaries and child abuse.
IMO much of it boils down to that capitalists are sick bastards who groom mentally-ill people as patsies and fall guys. It's part of why there are so many retard friendless losers in positions of power. The capitalists in the shadows want someone who is easy to manipulate. It's sick and disgusting.
For myself, I don't think there's an easy answer to getting better unfortunately.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/couple-slain-hiking-daughters-arkansas-state-park-police-say-rcna221388Couple slain while hiking with daughters in Arkansas state park, police say>A man and a woman who had recently moved to northwest Arkansas were apparently killed as they hiked in a state park with their school-age daughters, authorities said Sunday.
>Arkansas State Police identified the victims as Clinton David Brink, 43, and Cristen Amanda Brink, 41. The agency said in a statement that the couple had recently moved to Prairie Grove from out of state.…
>State police said the killer is a man with a medium build who was wearing a dark, long-sleeved shirt with the sleeves rolled up, dark pants, a dark baseball cap and fingerless gloves.God damn it, Felix! How much more blood has to be shed to sate your murderous impulses?! How many more innocent people have to die before the River City Ripper finally stops his rampage?!
>>2406405I don't think Capitalists are grooming incels, or at least not on a large enough scale to treat the entire incel epidemic as some conspiracy.
Something the Left kinda ignores is that the stereotype of incels is dweeby white guys but the reality is most incels are non-white. It's rough being a single dude of the non-privileged race when women openly fetishize financial success, height, social status, basically every factor that invariably benefits white men as the inheritors of colonialism's profits.
You can't really have a solution to inceldom without addressing the unfair disparity in reproductive success, and to do that requires an uncomfortable conversation about "fixing" the dating standards and romantic ideals of both sexes towards something more applicable to the average and not just fetishizing the top 1%.
This guy is way more unhinged than I thought. He made a few more threads this one is an example. His id is below. You can search the page for it. This guy has a court case open and is still posting like this
ID:7LrIQqok
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/511432638/#511437828>>2406319>>2406399I don't even know what we could possibly do about all the right-wing homicidal freaks in the USA, especially since there are plenty of them in positions of power.
The American left really has been totally betrayed by its leadership since at least the 60s, maybe even earlier.
>>2406416That might be so, but someone's gotta stop him. Not some Agent of the High and Mighty, but a Man. A flawed, often drunk, broken shell of a man.
Felix has murdered his last family.
>>2406433After painstaking analysis and multiple consultations. I've finally managed to decipher this string of words and emojis from the infamous Felix himself
It reads.
WHAT'S NEW SCOOBY DOO🕵️ WHERE ARE YOU🌒
What could this possibly mean?! Has he already decided his next attack?!
No… It couldn't be…
NOT THE FACTORY!
>>2405994Man this is the most retarded shit out there just go to Ukraine the average age of the people fighting there are like 40s
And the people talking about le brain doesn't stop developing until 25; you do realize that this means if a 21 year old neonazi chud shoots up a school then we can only try him as a minor and not as an adult with full responsibility. Does that make sense to you?
>>2406506>This is like saying taxing capitalist raises priceswhich is a verified phenomenon. taxes are rents of the state.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0014292122000885>Prices arr determined by law of value.prices are determined by supply and demand - and taxes add to the cost of products, as a form of surplus value.
>Why are chinese goods so kuch cheaper after tariff than less tariffed eu goods??because china makes cheaper goods - thats why they are a massive exporter. tariffs are set at an average rate of 51.1% so its manageable.
https://www.piie.com/research/piie-charts/2019/us-china-trade-war-tariffs-date-chart >>2406530>taxes add no value value, they merely redistribute it to stateyes, the same as profit for the capitalists
this designation of surplus value still adds to the costs however
>>2406624Because he literally posted his name and court case in the thread
https://publicaccess.courts.state.mn.us/CaseSearch02-CV-24-1265
These screenshots are 1 week ago in courts. He's trying hard to get his guns back with a lawyer
>>2406405you have to be trolling. there's no way that there's no easy answer for you to get better.
thinking about being tortured and mutilation? being zen? go to therapy, touch more grass, have a cheap hobby, and do exercise.
>>2406617They are firmly under the thumb it seems
>>24066474channers love to delude themselves into thinking they’re anything more than simple puppets and tools for the American empire
>>2406669>censoredhow? what are the new developments?
I hope you're not just referring to the anti-gooning UK implementation. Gooning should be restricted, it rots your brain
>>2406681Anti-gooner is code for anti-knowledge.
I REJECT you, agent of the Demiurge.
>>2406700>Gooning to porn isn't.Depends on the framing.
For example, currently you can say that out loud because of the misandrist lean of the mainstream culture war. But if you talk about women, the act of masturbation is nothing but liberatory, healthy and beneficial. Healthy for the body of the soul.
This is because the assumed feminist framing of those topics. Which simply reverse the patriarchal tropes to men and subdue their sexuality to the pleasing of women.
>>2406704We need to deport pro gooners. They are actively cheering on the suppression and stupefication of the proletariat.
>>2406705>artistsdrawing porn isn't art.
>mature discussionover fucking porn? You're trolling right?
>thought suppressionthe OPPOSITE. gooning suppresses your thought.
>>2406708gooning is bad for everyone, simple as. Anyone arguing the contrary is not your comrade.
>>2406709I'm not saying to do no fap (but it's probably good since fapping will give you death grip and make sex less pleasurable). I'm saying you shouldn't goon to porn and that restricting it is good actually. I'm not arguing for an outright ban because that never works but restriction is good.
>>2406686>merits of anarchismYou might as well go full petite bourgeois flower shop owner at this point if that’s what you think.
Communism is the only ideology that has the material analysis to dismantle class fully, and bring humanity to a new revolutionary societal stage. Communism IS THE real movement. Anarchism can only offer a utopian Arcadia ruled by cliques, opportunists, and barbarism.
>>2406711Anyone who opposes artistic freedom is an enemy. Deport them by throwing them out of a plane with no parachute over some other nation or the ocean.
Don't come to a nation and culture that bases its ideals on freedom of expression and try to subvert it.
>>2406722trvke
cringe didnt exist before postmodernity
>>2406713MAGA has to live beyond Trump. The Trump years, 2016 onwards, are the new way of the superstructure that befits the fraying of US hegemony and the resulting terminal neoliberalism and cultural shift to neuter politics.
And so retarded as it may be, Trump needs a myth of himself. His claims will mature with time and money and pointlessly spilled ink.
>>2406762The only thing he'll be remembered for now is Epstein. The Pedophile President.
MAGA must either destroy Trump, or embrace kid diddling tyranny.
>>2406275Looks nicer than my building.
I decided to look his building up, $1,500 for the cheapest unit, which is dirt cheap where I live.
I assume that he means the one in Washington D.C, if that's the case then yes no matter how "good" the building is the city will always be a ghetto shithole.
Especially D.C, horrendous city. But just in general don't live in big cities in the USA unless you're ready to deal with all of that, this guy acting like it's such bad shit he has to deal with is hilarious. He needs to see someone get executed within 60 feet of him to understand how shit really is.
>Gay and from MinnesotaOh hI get it now.
>>2406765>MAGA must either destroy Trump, or embrace kid diddling tyranny.This is nothing. You are missing the forest for the trees.
Mainstream republicans already support child marriage, patriarchy, anti-abortion and every grift, scam and flat out stealing of public money that "their side" does. but this are the trees. The obscene privilege of the elites in "their side" that everybody backs is part of the wider project of the culture war as it stands now, the forest.
The point is that the particulars don't matter, the system has made truth obsolete. Only the stupid tribalism of the masses maters now. Those are the Trump years, the new culture war, the new way of doing things, the new superstructure with it's high priests of social media. The man himself is of little relevance besides the character he plays for the system. And now comes the important shift of , just as they were once convinced of the complete opposite, persuade them again that MAGA can exist beyond Trump. So it's easier to stomach things working the same.
Obviously USAno policy is broadly independent of the ruling party. But the masses must be convinced that the once "exception" of Trumpism that justified upending how everything worked into an even shittier version is the new normal, and it cannot (because it wont) be reversed.
>>2406762MAGA never started with Trump anyway.
It was Reagan in the 80s
>>2406791>How is anyone supposed to parse what’s important and true and what isn’t?I would say being a materialist and having a basic STEM education can help but
1: reactionaries will never "Trust the science" because they see it as evil and soy
2: some of the biggest STEMlords are also huge idealists with schizo takes
>>2406716>call yourself a materialistYes
>Marxist analysis is often correct Yes
>revert to acting like a moralizing bourgeois idealist yammering on and on about how he have the magic bullet to revolutionSee, right there. That’s why
>>2406825propaganda.
CHAZ has agricultural self-sufficiency.
>>2406497This reminds me of two separate statements from Trotsky that both kind of functioned as a real grounding or cynicism catalyst for me.
I can't remember the exact words he used, but didn't he once say something along the lines of "Even if the Nazis conquered territory from the USSR, there would eventually be an alliance between occupying Germans and the native Russians on the basis of class, sympathies would develop, and they'd both work towards revolution." The other was was, IIRC, him claiming that if Nazi Germany didn't end with its working class overthrowing it, then Marxism as a whole would need to be revised.
I think what we saw with WW2, is that some implicit assumptions that might be more "orthodox" or traditionally Marxist may not hold water in the real world.
>>2406793>Maybe Sorel was right, powerful ideas really can overcome material conditions if you get a sufficient mass of people to follow themEhhhh it's not necessarily the ideas themselves, for example Sorel delineated between "Revolutionary Myth" and "Utopia". Both were high-minded ideals, but he saw Utopia as more or less encouraging reform. You're so obsessed with what the next world would look like, the thinking goes, that it just becomes a comparison point for this one and you start thinking "well why can't we just reform towards that?" Like, an example could be that "Solar Punk" stuff, you start imagining what the infrastructure and transit would look like, as if you were playing Cities Skylines, and maybe you start expending your political energies on things like "solar powered busses" to create your Utopia, rather than working towards a climactic conflict with Capital.
By contrast, "Myths" as Sorel defined them can be revolutionary, as they extoll you to take actual action and fight real conflicts in the name of the myth. He uses on non-socialist myth as an example: "The Second Coming of Jesus". How else could Christianity spread so far, if there weren't people who, with their body and soul, believed in some heavenly afterlife and the return of the Messiah to judge our souls? They'd give up everything they had, suffer torture and death, and preach to the masses not because they thought "tactically this would be good" but because they were driven by this idea that they were fighting a spiritual war, that they were saving souls, that they'd see the end times in their lifetime.
The Socialist Myth he pointed to was "The General Strike". And y'know this works as a good example, too. It seems almost absurd if you take it from the perspective of the modern U.S.; "Oh, what if every person in our country went on strike?" Yeah, sure buddy, we're at our throats 24/7 but we'll all come together in one big picket line. But it's that belief that such a strike is possible that strives people towards it. If a group of workers in one factory shut it down in the name of some mythic "General Strike", then their act of sheer belief may inspire another factory, then another, and suddenly you're making the Myth into a reality.
Finally: Fascism. I don't think most Fascists outside of Italy read Sorel. And I'm certain most Fascists today couldn't even say who he is. But they understand it
implicitly. They love their revolutionary myths and they give themselves over to it freely. Shit, look at Q-Anon if you want some modern revolutionary myths. Yeah, it's fucking stupid, but its believers gave themselves over to it whole-heartedly: one of them murdered an Italian Mob Boss, one of them held up a pizza parlor, another had a standoff on Hoover Dam I believe, it all culminated in some bizarre apocalyptic clash on Jan 6th with them literally storming the capitol. Now if there were an actual Vanguard directing them, they might've even been able to do some damage and not disperse when they were shot at. Shit, there have been family annihilators in the midwest who did it 'cause of Q-anon, there was a disgusting case not too far from where I live where a woman killed her children and herself 'cause Q-anon convinced her that the foster care system would've put them up for satanic ritual abuse. It's horrifying, but it shows how deep the myth runs.
By contrast, modern socialists actively try to discourage myths, with third worldism functioning as the ultimate anti-myth and guard against revolutionary activity. It's all "Oh the cops will beat us" "Ohhh, the revolution wont be in my lifetime" "we can't even have a revolution in the first world!" There's a belief that there is no path forward, no tactic that will work, and no grand goal you'll live to see, and so as Myth becomes reality, apathy becomes reality in turn. Unironically SocDems who are convinced they can achieve radical change within the system may be more revolutionary because they at least have a myth (however stupid) that's spurring them to act, whereas many ostensibly more radical socialists will form insular book clubs and sneer "These reformists don't realize how pathetic they are!" to the three other people interested enough to join.
>>2406690>>2406700>>2406709>>2406711sex is NOT "gooning with another person". Humans evolved to have hidden ovulation precisely to separate sexual intercourse from reproduction unlike other mammals who have a heat cycle and females only mate during the time they can become pregnant.
Sex for reproduction isnt the nature of man its the nature of a quadraped.
>>2406851we've started building lng ports back in 2010s, nordstream shouldn't have been built in the first place.
to have an adequate estimation of russian gas price you need to factor the fact that cents off every purchase in russia will be spent on hostile actions against europe as russians are as they always have been barbarians at the gates eager to invade any way possible meanwhile americans while borderline retarded are mostly harmless
also take not that factoring transport and spot discounts american gas is about 60% more expensive not 300%
>>2406852reproduction to employment ratio is actually central to political economy since an economy's growth relies historically on the fertility rate being above 2 per woman since consumption in pre-industrial times was reliably within a small range of bounds, if not constant, since most people prior to industrial times did not consume far above their own means of immediate subsistence (food, water, shelter, air, clothes, tools).
It was actually with industrial society that the urge to increase both the commodity consumption and productive outputs of individuals became possible, and it is also when things like birth control, sex education, and abstience became possible. That's why you have this crisis in bourgeois economics where they're angry at their own success and they seek to import the labor of the few remaining countries with fertility rates above 3 or 4 per woman. TRPF is primarily caused by the contradictions Marx pointed out (increased productivity of tech → decreased SNLT per commodity → price collapse) but also by these secondary contradictions of the imperial core countries no longer having high fertility rates and being unable to increase the population as a roundabout way of increasing future demand for increased economic output.
>>2406866no need, it's a drafty evening besides this july has been rather cold so far
thanks for asking
>>2406872There are 7+ billion in the non-golden billion. I don't think the West will ever run out of people to import. And import is a strong word. If they just let anyone get a visa, billions would move to the West immediately.
>>2406862I've seen economist guys talk about it, but the real benefit of immigrants, is you get a fully grown and educated tax-paying worker, for 0 dollars, whereas with a native born worker, the government has to pay for 18 years of k-12 and healthcare and etc.
>>2406876china mainly builds quarries, mines, factories and roads to support the aforementioned
you seem to envision it as some sort of an anti-west capitalism-fighting force, you couldn't be further from the truth, the chinese are a perfect copy of victorian era capitalist west
>>2406822>>2406848How’s your vanguard party doing?
You’re just as much of a failure
>>2406890the so called "chinese debt trap" is literally the opposite. They're bailing global south countries out of their IMF debt trap in order to weaken American hegemony.
>but China is in the IMFChina is in the IMF for the same reason Yeltsin was in the CPSU: To weaken it from within.
>>2406909>How long do you think it will take before Nigeria and every other country on Earth was at the same level of development as the West?NTA but I think this question is besides the point as far as imperialism is concerned. Even the most "backwards" countries today are more developed than, say, England was in the 1850s, back when England was the most industrialized capitalist country. So it's not about the absolute level of development, but about the relative level of development. As long as there is a periphery and a core, there will be power asymmetry between the two. Neoliberal optimists like Steven Pinker love to point out how the average imperial core worker gets better standard of living than say a bronze age Pharaoh like Narmer would have gotten, because we have access to cancer screening and dentistry and shit like that, even if we go into debt when we receive our care. But I think that's besides the point. A prole is better off than a bronze age pharaoh but worse off than a contemporary bourgeoisie. People don't compare their standard of living to history alone, they compare it to the other people who are alive today. This is why proles realize they have it bad when they look at the bourgeoisie, but it's also why the periphery realizes they have it bad when they look at the core.
Marx in
Wage Labor and Capital Ch 6:
>An appreciable rise in wages presupposes a rapid growth of productive capital. Rapid growth of productive capital calls forth just as rapid a growth of wealth, of luxury, of social needs and social pleasures. Therefore, although the pleasures of the worker have increased, the social gratification which they afford has fallen in comparison with the increased pleasures of the capitalist, which are inaccessible to the worker, in comparison with the stage of development of society in general. Our wants and pleasures have their origin in society; we therefore measure them in relation to society; we do not measure them in relation to the objects which serve for their gratification.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/ch06.htm >>2406968poor uneducated misinformed people are more excited about a technology they don't fully understand the consequences of???? say it ain't so.
YOU are doing the noble savage thing.
>>2406961we're allergic to idealist luddite attacks against the instruments of production which are secondary to the relations of production and teritary to the mode of production. The hue and cry against AI is literally just "UNINVENT THE GUN NOW!!!" or "IF I BLOW UP ENOUGH DATA CENTERS THE AI WILL GO AWAY FOREVER AND NEVER COME BACK!!"
technology only stops existing when it gets replacew ith something better or because we run out of the resources to make it, or, much more rarely, because all the educational resources are lost. Not one luddite movement in world history has actually succeeded in stopping a "soulless demonic" technology from being used.
Impassioned rhetoric doesn't do anything btw
>>2407032don't worry, once we get enough self-hosted gooning prompt models we will finally be able to unseat the bourgeoisie.
"political power grows out of the barrel of a lum invader model" -mao zedong
>>2407058ah yup there it is, the classics are back!
Now get mad and REE about how your opinions are Marxist science because you half-read a chapter of a Soviet textbook!
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