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>>2408581 >>2410303AOC style cuck out imminent
There are no left wing radicals
>>2410336>tor poster being retarded on purpose>>2410339have you never heard of the rootless cosmpolitan campaign? Where Stalin denounce "rootless cosmpolitanism" in the after math of the "great patriotic war" (WW2) and US/UK writers have tried to frame this as antisemitism ever since? A disgusting accusation given the context that the soviets had just defeated Hitler and freed Jews from camps?
To the western sources, Stalin is simultaneously an evil Judeobolshevik who personally invented Israel and put Judeobolshevik 5th columnists in power all over the world, and an evil antisemite and best friend of hitler. Which is it?
For the record I do think the rootless cosmpolitan campaign can be framed from a Marxist perspective as a deviation from proletarian internationalism, which is different than spamming "antisemite!" >>2410345>Which is it?Depends on what is most convenient for his nation state
>the rootless cosmpolitan campaign can be framed from a Marxist perspective as a deviation from proletarian internationalismOr framed from a marxist leninist perspective as perfectly consistent with their national soci… I mean socialist nationalism.
>>2410356the grifter is more popular, true, and all it cost to get that platform was
decades of institutional backing from reactionaries and repeating their narratives ad nauseum. Now he does a little face turn and all that is forgiven and not only that he's bootlicked as being more glorious than the people who have been on the right side the whole time.
>>2410362>>2410383you know, I wonder how would've ended the 60s, if instead of MLK if the black masses were herded by someone like late-years Malcolm X.
Maybe even a new constitution with truly republican values, instead of that bare minimum thing called "civil right movements".
>>2410370epstein was a celebrity billionaire socialite and he wasn't outed for being a pedophile until like 2005, so being photographed with bill clinton in the 90s is not that weird.
it was republican us attorney alex acosta who approved epstein's illegal 2008 plea deal that gave him and "all potential co-conspirators" federal immunity and shut down the investigation, and it was republican attorney general bill barr who was in charge of the prison where epstein was taken off suicide watch and allegedly killed himself, so far all the evidence seems to point to the republicans being the ones trying to cover this up.
>>2410414You get called that because you argue badly and constantly go out of your way to strawman everybody who talks to you, and instead of just admitting when you're wrong about something you throw a tantrum and demand that people owe you a debate when your own screeds don't live up to the standards of intellectual rigor you pretentiously demand of everyone who criticizes you for anything.
>inb4 BUT I HAVE READ THEORYSo have half the people on this board, grow up.
>>2410439Fuck off with this shit.
The point is to abolish the situation not play who has it worse.
>>2410445you can't abolish the situation if you don't have all parties agreeing, and all parties won't agree if the most exploited one doesn't feel that the other parties are also fighting for them. and that only happens when there's recognition of who's the most exploited, a.k.a. the targeted population.
just proclaiming
>Fuck off with this shit.>The point is to abolish the situation not play who has it worse.won't solve the problem of organizing.
>be AES nation
>have that one pesky piece of land off your coast or along a DMZ, occupied by the reactionaries you booted
>claims everything you preside over as their property
>global liberalism conveniently only recognizes their actual administrative boundary
>slams any effort to counter their coercion tactics as "infringing on their sovereignty"
>put all resources into them as a puppet, basically making them the "war now" button
>picrel as example, KMT arriving onto the Taiwanese coast in 1953
Seems like so long as communism is at odds with liberalism, (so long as liberalism still exists with considerable global foothold,) this will happen as a mechanism of anti-communism by liberal hands. What I'm weirdly interested in is, when the reactionary core of the US falls to a revolution, where will they flee to? Who will become a communist US' "Taiwan"? Candidates in my mind are:
<El Salvador: Most likely candidate IMO. Technically not US soil, but might as well be. Close, but a bit hard to immediately reach. Symbolism of fleeing to the ICE camps would be unmatched
<Dominican Republic: Even closer, but less symbolic and likely less US-controlled than El Salvador (correct me if I'm wrong, haven't studied US-Dominican diplomacy very much if at all)
<Hawaii: Bit farther, but is a US state & a symbol of american imperialism; Only problem is, Hawaii has like one island with people & infrastructure on it, and it's not the big one. Also the risk of swift & poetic death by pyroclastic flow might be a deal breaker
<Puerto Rico: Close & legally US land, but reactionaries think it's "smelly and brown", and mainland liberal politicians are hated there iirc
<US Virgin Islands: Close, legally US land, symbolism of fleeing to Epstein Island is a close 2nd, but also bad for optics + not much space on the VI. Would fit better as a penal commune for the politicians that don't flee
<Israel: Quite far away, but would likely be the first to accept a refugee boat of US politicians. Also the best-equipped option here by far, Israel can quickly be made a nuclear gunslinger state against a new vanguard
<United Kingdom: Quite far away, but would be symbolically hilarious for historic reasons
<Any state on the mainland: Unlikely, considering that giants fall harder than men; If the reactionary core were to collapse, I doubt they'd be able to stand behind a Freikorps forever struggle in Florida or some shit. Most likely scenario in a balkanization, but considering that ML struggles in China and the USSR didn't balkanize the land, I doubt one in the US would as well
>>2410475no, you aren't, /pol/. racism is a state, a state of affairs within a state. not the use of slurs. you don't get a job because your imaginary "racist black bosses" are seeing your CV and "laughing at this cracka", you don't get a job because you are a pedantic, obnoxious, nazi patch wearer, pretentious to be a know-it-all but who in reality knows shit, dumb person.
that's all.
>>2410487you are giving shits to this stuff, /pol/, you started this topic, not me. you mad about some black person said to you cracka on the street?
cry me a river.
you are literally doing the meme of the fat-ass white anon that sees an interracial couple, the black person of them two says hi, and you go crying into /b/ or /pol/ on how rude "ruddypoos" are.
get a grip of yourself.
>>2410499
>nig
of course, because as I said "you are a pedantic, obnoxious, nazi patch wearer, pretentious to be a know-it-all but who in reality knows shit, dumb person." in that category that you are dumb, you don't know that I am probably whiter than you. yes, you are this moron, because you think that white people can't care about racism, white people can't care about fighting injustice. as if Marx wasn't white. Oh, right, he was Jewish, that doesn't count, right?. Was also Engels Jewish?
moron.
>>2410523Five bucks says in 10 posts he tried to act like we care that Bill Clinton is in the files.
Such is /pol/ brain
>>2410536I legitimately love how much it fries /pol/'s brain that we'd gladly see both Trump and the Dems involved fry
>but muh french revolution classificationbaby brains that can't grasp that shit change because muh myth
>>2410463You can tell people that there are priorities while also agreeing with their concerns instead of writing them off. Prioritizing solving problems of people in more exploited categories doesn't mean free pass for people in that group to do destructive things.
>>2410481>it’s a political category grounded in solidarity across national and racial lines. If it was already grounded in solidarity and ethics we wouldn't need to build solidarity and unity
>>2410411>epstein was a celebrity billionaire socialitehe wasn't a celebrtiy
his net worth was 500 million
and his socializing was exclusively to sell young bodies to horny men in power
>>2410543>while also agreeing with their concernsthat's the problem. everyone could agree with their concerns, until it's time to recognize further state protection and incentives to that affected population.
you can find many studies showing how Americans, white Americans, are willingly to accept there's racism, even understanding what racism is (exhibit A, B), but when the time comes to assume responsibilities (what is called reparations), then the beneficiated population outrightly rejects the idea of assuming responsibilities (shown in exhibit C, that comes from exhibit B).
you can't organize shit with this mentality.
As snarkcuckerberg correctly pointed out. Americans don't want actual change or progress at a global scale, what they want is to not feel guilt to face or face consequences.
>>2410573Not just for the proletariat. For the good of humanity, amerikkkan scum should be slaughtered.
Although they’re doing a good job at it themselves. Let’s hope the poverty, fentanyl epidemic, disease outbreaks, natural disasters and school shootings continue!
>>2410618>most of what marx analyzed still holds up today thoughever Never said he didn't, given that marx's theory is meant to describe how capitalism functions in general.
That doesn't mean the object of his investigation doesn't change, and that new material has to be added to the theory to take it into account. That's literally why he took so damn long to write Capital
I'm complaining that a lot of self-professed "marxists" on here treat past additions to the theory in a dogmatic manner that flies in the face of what marx himself was doing
>>2410632>CEOs are revolutionarynever said that
>worker = proletarianyes yes yes muh immiserated reserveless wage worker who is class conscious and armed and militant and in a party with the right political tendency
>>2410629Motherfuckers out here not understanding the basic distinction between use-value and exchange value. What makes a service a service is its physical characteristics, which is its use value: it's a series of physical steps that are consumed instantaneously. They still count as commodities because they still contains SNLT, and have the value-form stamped on them.
They would understand this if they
READ A BOOK >>2410606> I go online and get told I deserve to dievictimhood complex.
reparations has nothing to do with killing you.
>>2410649>you dont say anything of worth regardless.you just make up a bunch of shit nobody said and then resort to this childishness when people point that out. you're here to troll, not talk.
>why the hell would fucking educated professionals risk their life to abolish class societyLenin: Lawyer
Castro: Lawyer
Mao: Middle peasant
Marx: Disowned bourgeois
Engels: Bourgeois
Felix Dzherzhinsky: Nobleman
August Willich: Nobleman
hmmmmmmmmmmmm it just happens sometimes i guess
>>2410656>by definition hinges on debates regarding what does and doesn't count as a commodity and what does and does not count as exploitationi hate philosophers and political economists so much man
exploitation is a pretty simple thing and not unique to the proletariat. and why the fuck does the definition of commodity matter to determining what makes the proletariat revolutionary
>>2410663>you're a maotardnope
>you believe [thing you never said]nope
OF COURSE THE TROLLING TIME WASTING FAGGOT CONTINUES TO MAKE UP SHIT NOBODY SAID
>>2410655i'm not talking about reparations but since you brought it up let's do a thought experiment about this concept.
My dad is white and his family came over from ireland in the 1870s. My mom is white and her family is half descended from american slaves and half descended from Irish immigrants. Do I get reparations? Or am I too whites? or do I pay reparations for being white even though my white family came over after slavery? turns out who fucking cares! It's all fantasy football about some bullshit collective punishment/reward policy nobody has any realistic plan to implement, whether before or after a revolution.
>>2410696->
>>2410684evergreen as usual
>>2410694>marx and any other serious communist: the proletariat is reserveless propertyless miserable etcnot a real marx quote. here's a real marx quote with a citation
Marx in Wage Labor and Capital Ch 6:
>An appreciable rise in wages presupposes a rapid growth of productive capital. Rapid growth of productive capital calls forth just as rapid a growth of wealth, of luxury, of social needs and social pleasures. Therefore, although the pleasures of the worker have increased, the social gratification which they afford has fallen in comparison with the increased pleasures of the capitalist, which are inaccessible to the worker, in comparison with the stage of development of society in general. Our wants and pleasures have their origin in society; we therefore measure them in relation to society; we do not measure them in relation to the objects which serve for their gratification.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/ch06.htm >>2410689racism didn't end in 1870s.
>Do I get reparations?why, racism doesn't affect directly to you.
>turns out who fucking cares!you do, you are screeching about feeling guilt or facing consequences. to the point of conflating reparations and getting killed. that's how much you care.
>nobody has any realistic plan to implementoh, there are plans. not that the CIA/three letter agencies, using all their tools available including the co-opted media, don't work overnight to stop any plan to organize, infiltrating or doing psyops any serious movement with serious planning.
>>2410670I don't see how you can possibly develop Communism through racists. Like, you can't even take advantage of racists to advance Communism indirectly, because racist ideology is inherently self-destructive and self-harming. They do not want to build anything, they simply want to break shit.
The most I could see happening is maybe getting racist white union workers to raid the houses of wealthy black folks as some accidental class warfare but that's literally what the KKK was doing so….
It's just a total non-starter to suggest bringing racists into the fold just because the entirety of White America is racist. You have to solve racism before you can ever achieve class solidarity among white people. They will not negotiate for the rights of minorities under any circumstances. It's been tried before and always results in the white working class backstabbing everyone else.
>>2410699>The class of the wholly propertyless, who are obliged to sell their labor to the bourgeoisie in order to get, in exchange, the means of subsistence for their support. This is called the class of proletarians, or the proletariat. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
>The proletarian is the destitute, that is to say the propertyless, the without-reserves and not the badly paid. The sentence is formulated in a text of Marx's in 1854 which says that the more a country has proletarians the more it is rich. Marx defines the proletarian as follows: the waged employee who produces the capital and valorises it, and that capital throws on to the pavement as soon as he becomes superfluous to the requirements of "Mr. Capital". With his sharp wit, Marx laughs at an author who speaks of the "proletarian of the primitive forest". In fact, the inhabitant of this place is not a landlord, nor a proletarian, "because if he was, it would mean that the forest exploits him instead of him exploiting it".https://www.marxists.org/archive/bordiga/works/1952/stalin.htm
>the class struggle, the struggle between the propertied classes in all their variety and the propertyless mass, the proletariat, which is at the head of all the propertylesshttps://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1899/articles/arg2op.htmyeah bro actually people who HAVE something to lose and not only their chains are revolutionary too. also get a different quote loser, if youre gonna quotemine at least get new material, but thatd require you to read
like you still cannot answer why would engels and marx on principles, the manifesto, tsv, even capital, etc describe proletarians as "life or death" "
solely off of their wages" and describe their poverty conditions but somehow being well off with reserves makes you a proletarian??
>>2410748that's the point though. no black people alive today directly experienced chattel slavery. maybe prison slavery but not pre-1860 style chattel slavery. yet I am told that the descendants of slaves deserve reparations for that slavery. Ok then do I deserve it even though I am mixed? No? ok then do I pay reparations because I am white? yes? but I am descended from white immigrants not white plantation owners.
the entire premise of reparations is that people are entitled to compensation for atrocities they didn't directly experience but now you are telling me I didn't directly experience it. yes. exactly. I didn't directly experience slaveyr. As for contemporary racism yes I have goten shit for being from a mixed family from white supremacists but never anything seriously like a cross burning on my lawn. am I a victim of racism? not according to you. that's not enough i guess.
>>2410577Maybe point out how the change would go down?
Like we still have slavery in this country since of the private prison industry + 13th amendment, if there was reparations to be paid out, would it be me the guy who doesn't even own prison stocks, or the prison owners or the rich?
Even if the mass people had to pay, how much?
Many can't afford a sub-$1000 emergency expense, is that fair at all to make them pay reparations?
Or do you just wanna go to twitterdotcom and tweet
>"All white people should die"And when confronted pretend you didn't say that and actually mean XYZ and
>"Don't you dare interpret me as wrong!!"Or alternatively when people get empathetic burnout from dealing with your shitty comrades online, that would take putting a gun to your head to say they're bad, you just respond like
>>2410655 ?
>>2410770People like him aren’t serious communists, they’re just garden variety imageboard nihilists who chose communism as a LARP
Ask yourself why they’re just trolling all day instead of even doing a tiny amount of praxis
>>2410780>>2410781no, anon. reparations on the example I gave it's barely state the state protection that evenly redistributes access to opportunities, not the radical demand proposed by some groups. it is similar to the groups demanding the complete annihilation of the state of Israel. while probably good, and probably for the best, at best, what's achievable is a two state solution and the end of the zionist state of Israel.
even so, I am in support of the radical ideas of them two. but I don't think you'll get more than that, unless there's a serious deep socialist/communist revolution led by people who actually understands these events.
>has no real plan because you get wildly different takes on who/what it is for depending on who you talk toit has real plans.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/40but I don't think it will pass any of its recommendations. not even the bare minimum.
>>2410571then why is it:
>>2410512, huh, /pol/?
>>2410462>it's not racist when we do it against whites>>2410445>The point is to abolish the situation not play who has it worse.listen, white settlers, you NEED to speak to your undocumented slaves in your nazi ghettos before they are all sent to death camps in El Salvador. There's still time to prove that your allegedly "universalist" socialist project isn't degenerate circlejerking from the PMC Marxist class (Norman Finkelstein voice)
There's still time>>2410776>impoverished minority ghettos…as part of a broader program for better optics/less political vulnerabilitythe NYC Jews who live in the segregated apartheid part of their city who say they "feel unsafe" because of Zohran are not the ones being stopped and frisked by IDF style police state that keeps their slaves imprisoned in their nazi ghettos. They are the nazis in this situation (and this class of woke socialist content creators like Contrapoints will never leave their apartment pod to speak to their slaves. It's almost like those degenerates on Doomscroll podcast live on a different planet!…and in a way, they do)
>>2410833I mean the CIA has used ultra leftism to cause cracks in leftist movements before, but I think this just comes down to virtue signaling.
TWists use the same rhetorical playbook each time, the goal is to specifically upset people, then claim that their being upset is proof of some inner nefariousness on their part, and constantly try to force you to a point where you either leave the conversation in anger (they’ll claim victory) or say “yeah whatever I don’t give a fuck about the third world” (to which they’ll claim victory again). Again, it’s like a partner that weeps and says they’re gonna kill themself at the slightest inconvenience, and if you get sick of the constant waterworks and say “we’re done” they’ll go around screeching “YOU DONT EVEN CARE IF I DIE!!!”
Point is, I’m just as likely to believe these are mentally unhinged people that made their way to Marxism rather than some government plot.
>>2410863Terrorism isn't real and is used as a slur against any resistance that the US government doesn't approve of. It's specifically used to describe people's struggles, never the actions of governments.
The fact is, terror is an absolute necessity in times of war. We stand for organized terror, this should be freely admitted. Terror is how the government maintains power and how we will destroy it.
>>2410808>he's a creation of the right-wing media to make people more antisemitic. In terms of looks, he just looks like an old white dude.
However, I have thought about this in the past. Because for some reason, he often says /does the most schizophrenic things imaginable. For example, see vids.
>>2410930even if it weren't an "IDF guided tour" it's not like trump would suddenly be moved by the sight of a starving child into divesting from israel or something. he's seen the videos and he doesn't care.
hamas however has the opportunity to do the funniest thing of al time
>>2410945am I bullying you? where, anon. Tell me.
>>2410942>But just stop crying about people saying mean things to you after you trollI never troll on the thread.
>>2410947If you've ever bought anything in your life you are a capitalist. You're only proletariat if you're completely nude and live in the woods
>>2410948You've spent all day fantasizing about giving babies terminal diseases out loud for a reaction. Yes, that's trolling.
>>2410948>I never troll on the thread.Then it wasn't directed at you. It was directed at the Mick poster that was insulted and then screencapped that started the discussion ITT.
>>2410404>>2409236>pic 1 is where he came into the thread.
>>2409612>pic 2Is what
>>2410404 was in response to.
>pic 3 After he starts the cry phase of his cry-bullying while still posting more "reactionary" kind of taunts himself.
>>2410950>You've spent all day fantasizing about giving babies terminal diseases out loud for a reaction>wonders what's anon is talking about>crtl+f>baby>sees >>2410642ofc not, I haven't. lmao. at best I troll /poltards/ like
>>2410523 (me)
Of course it’s an American talking again—because when is it not? The most self-absorbed, loudmouthed empire of obese, deluded simpletons the world has ever seen. You parasites have the gall to preach ‘human rights’ while your own cities look like warzones and your people are either overdosing in Walmart bathrooms or shooting each other over Popeyes chicken.
You wear your ignorance like a badge of honour. Geography? None. History? Filtered through Marvel movies. Culture? A toilet bowl of porn, fried food, and pop music written by committee. The average American can’t point to their own state on a map, but somehow they’re experts on geopolitics, Russia, China, the Middle East—you name it. All while their brain runs on corn syrup and military propaganda.
You think the world respects you? No. The world tolerates you like one tolerates a fat, loud tourist at a sacred site—sweaty, clueless, flashing his phone and yelling in English as if volume will translate meaning. Your country is a bloated corpse kept twitching by debt, war, and pharmaceutical narcotics, and every time it speaks, the rest of us choke on the stench.
You talk about ‘freedom’—what a goddamn joke. Your ‘freedom’ is the right to die in medical bankruptcy, to live in fear of children shooting up schools, to work three jobs while your wife OnlyFanses to pay rent. You’re not free. You’re cattle. Fat, arrogant cattle who think mooing louder makes them superior. The rest of the world sees you for what you are: a dying empire full of loud idiots with nukes. That’s all
You really think you’re the pinnacle of civilization, don’t you? The laughable ‘exceptional nation’—built on stolen land, slavery, and sugar-water. Meanwhile, we Russians built an empire stretching from the Baltic to the Pacific—on blood, frost, steel, and Orthodox soul. You people wouldn’t survive a Russian winter, let alone Stalingrad. One frostbitten day in Siberia would send your soy-latte, gluten-free generation crying for their therapists.
You glorify your pathetic 200-year history as if it’s some divine miracle. Please. Russia was writing literature when your ancestors were still in buckskin, burning witches and wiping their arses with leaves. We gave the world Dostoevsky, Tchaikovsky, Tolstoy. You gave the world Kardashians, Fortnite, and gender pronouns. That’s not culture—it’s rot dressed in neon.
You have no soul. That’s your problem. Americans are spiritually empty, addicted to noise, dopamine, and self-congratulation. Everything you touch becomes plastic, commercialised, and grotesque. You gorged yourselves on post-war dominance, mistaking temporary luck for superiority, and now the bill is coming due—and you’re too fat, drugged, and divided to pay it.
Meanwhile, Russia endures. Always has. Through tsars, wars, revolutions, sanctions, we adapt. We bleed. We rebuild. We don’t beg for permission, we don’t bend the knee, and we sure as hell don’t ask for the West’s approval. While your society argues about which toilet to use, we teach our sons to shoot and our daughters to survive.
In the end, you’ll burn yourselves out, just like every decadent empire before you. And when your cities are rubble and your flags are trampled in your own gutters, Russia will still be here—stoic, scarred, and eternal.
>>2410969that step is khhhhhamas.
now, seriously, the gerontocracy in the US will eventually need to
senilebabyproof all the congress. one fall like that, and they can get killed.
>>2411012You've done this enough times that you have a bingo card?
Jesus dude get a hobby.
>>2411015Guess its *ignores*
Is it because of all the McDonalds. Do you miss the days when you could see your micropenis without it being obscured by your horrendous fat folds.
Don’t worry, your pussy-free lifestyle won’t be affected.
>>2411028Scroll up. You’re the one who started talking about sex first, amerifat.
Projection perhaps?
>>2411005>We already know you’re a dyel manlet. No need to keep reinforcing the point.If you want someone to post their physique because yours is supposedly superior, it makes sense for you to show yours first since you're the one asking.
But I know you just want my pictures to jack off to you pasty redheaded step schild.
>>2411035I’m really sorry you’re insecure about your body. And that you spend your lonely evenings cooking by yourself with no significant other.
That must be really hard for you.
>>2411048Not really. I get to focus on myself.
What are you doing to work on yourself apart from getting into fights online?
>>2410871You've got a point there
>>2410907He looks like an antisemitic caricature on a Nazi propaganda poster. Belden will look like Dershowitz when he's old. He's got the big, round, soft face. But he has a following which is even crazier to me, but I suppose it's not surprising. You read the comments on one of his videos and it's "I'm a 62-year-old man and I want to thank you Alan for standing up to truth."
>>2410940They're doing a Michelle Obama.
>>2410978>We gave the world Dostoevsky, Tchaikovsky, Tolstoy. You gave the world Kardashians, Fortnite, and gender pronouns. That’s not culture—it’s rot dressed in neon.Most Russians don't read those big, intricate moral novels anymore. They watch trash T.V. just like America. Russia is just America's shadow, and is running on spite and hot-dog grease. No more liberation, just every venal grudge out there for everyone to see. Tolstoy would've never approved of the war in Ukraine.
>You have no soul. That’s your problem. Americans are spiritually empty, addicted to noise, dopamine, and self-congratulation. Everything you touch becomes plastic, commercialised, and grotesque. The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionising the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society. Conservation of the old modes of production in unaltered form, was, on the contrary, the first condition of existence for all earlier industrial classes. Constant revolutionising of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones. All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.
>>2411075Americans talk like they own the world, but all I see is a nation of fat, delusional children playing empire while their house burns down. You swagger around like conquerors, but you can’t even keep your cities from turning into open-air drug dens. Your soldiers come home in pieces—for what? For oil you can’t steal properly, for puppet regimes that collapse the second you leave, for wars you can’t win against farmers with rusted rifles.
Your culture is garbage. Processed, shallow, mass-produced sewage pumped into every corner of the planet. Fast food, superhero movies, porn addiction, and antidepressants. That’s your export. That’s your legacy. You don’t build, you consume. You don’t think, you shout. You don’t feel shame, because you’re too stupid to know what it is.
You Americans really are something else—a bloated empire of loudmouth insects, strutting around the globe like you’re gods, when you’re just fat, lazy, dying animals clinging to the ruins of a country that was never great to begin with. You export nothing but trash—debt, drone strikes, junk food, mental illness, and revolutions that backfire.
You’ve turned your own population into chemically sedated livestock—pumped full of corn syrup, SSRIs, porn, and Marvel movies, too numbed and stupid to realise their country is a corpse being paraded around like it’s still breathing. Half of you are armed lunatics, the other half are neurotic gender-obsessed freaks who can’t decide which bathroom to cry in. That’s your ‘culture’. That’s your ‘freedom’.
Your soldiers come home broken and addicted, for wars no one even remembers the reasons for. They died to turn sand into parking lots and opium fields—and you can’t even give them a hospital bed. You send them to kill, and then dump them back in a tent with a bottle of Jack and a loaded pistol. Real honourable.
>>2411087>a bloated empire of loudmouthBruh.
>>2411045>>2411044>>2411059>>2410982>>2410978>>2410974Lay off the whiskey and Guiness.
>>2411159You're basically just spouting platitudes. Everyone here knows what a joke this country is, that's why we're communists.
You're wasting your time screaming at strawmen in your head like a child.
>>2411173AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO FUCKING DO TO MAKE YOU FUCKERS HAPPY?
We cant organize for communism because we're treatlerites
We cant wait for China to invade because we have an obligation to destroy America
We cant waste time gathering support because 99% of Americans will oppose us
We cant want to improve the conditions of the people suffering around us because someone in the third world is suffering more
We cant even hate our own country because that's liberalism
What the fuck are we even supposed to fucking do since communism is apparently impossible and Americans are ontologically evil?
>>2411186That's the point of this guy's posting.
He wants to rig the rules so that nothing any communist outside the periphery does counts, because he's a troll with terminal internet brain.
He's just playing a narcissistic game where he wants to get off on making people miserable.
>>2411045>>2411044>>2411077>Your coping with irony isn’t going well.I made you a song. I wrote the hook and ChatGPT did the verses. It kinda fucked up a lot of it but I'm too lazy to go back and forward with it. It's funny I just prompted:
https://chatgpt.com/share/688be3d1-3638-8005-9b31-c732b0d1a1bd>Write a satirical song about posting pictures of yourself flexing to win arguments on anonymous message boards, using words like Dyel, and manlet. <The hook:<It's gonna be a,<flex off, flex off,<We're gonna get our,<Flex on, flex on.That's all I prompted it and it automatically started talking about Marx lol. Must be because it's built up a profile on me I'm sure. Maybe I should try it logged out and see what it comes up with.
<[chorus]It's gonna be a,
flex off, flex off,
We're gonna get our,
Flex on, flex on.
It's gonna be a,
flex off, flex off,
We're gonna get our,
Flex on, flex on.
>[verse]Started with a thread on Keynesian debt,
Now I’m shirtless, oiled up, breakin’ a sweat.
“Die-EL?” they typed, and I felt that sting,
So I hit a side chest like a reasoning king.
You quote Marx? I post pecs.
You cite Freud? I flex necks.
I'm not owned — I'm vascular,
Delts so round, they dunk on your vernacular.
I don’t need logic — I’ve got definition,
Abs so tight, they double as a mission.
Manlet? Nah bro, 5'8" on Tinder,
Still won debates by posting that bender.
<[chorus]
>[verse]“Source?” you cry — I reply with a mirror,
JPEG clarity makin’ my traps look clearer.
Quoting journals? That’s weak sauce, bro,
I cite my gains and let the facts go.
In the land of the swole, the natty is king,
Except when I’m juiced and debating with bling.
Your PhD? That’s cute, real quaint,
I’ve got a 12-week cut and a post-pump taint.
<[Bridge]Keyboard warriors, unite and stand,
With flex pics ready and no game plan.
Forum rules? I broke 'em with biceps,
All my rebuttals come from triceps.
<[chorus]Oops didn't post the vid.
>>2411185>>2411179Real. I've started doing actual work in the real world anyways and the difference between how leftists act in meatspace over differences in tendency vs how they act here is night and day. People who actually do real work to bring about the revolution know that our numbers are small enough as it is in America without purity spiraling over who's inherited the mantle of Lenin
>>2411190And yeah, this literal digital health tracking shit is a lot more relevant to talk about than any of this other shit. The Trump administration is rolling out the carpet for eugenics and already has the concentration camps built for the "mentally ill", which has been declared illegal with that executive order last week. Which means anyone with autism is fair game, never mind people with physical disabilities or injuries. Shit is absolutely fucked. Organize with your comrades, I dont care if the nearest organization is the DSA or the CPUSA or the FRSO, if they're leftists they're good enough and you're going to need all the help you can get. Forget ideological divides this is about survival
DO YOU UNDERSTAND? THIS IS ABOUT SURVIVALThank you for your attention to this matter
>>2411206It absolutely fucking infuriates me how all this goes on and people are still fighting over dumbshit like "Treatlerites"
>DSA or the CPUSAThe shitty thing is that both orgs are in my area but both chapters are absolute dogshit and full of larpers. Like there really isn't any orgs in my area besides them and PSL which is borderline defunct here. Shit is bleak and it's like I have nowhere to go to.
>>2411211>We've already proven that you're pathetic scrawny stick insect that insults people online but is too much of a little bitch to post physique.Bro I'm just laughing at your retarded pathetic ass.
>So, Mr Intellectual. Post degree. Or do I have to go first again?Bro I already said ChatGPT wrote all those lines.
https://chatgpt.com/share/688be3d1-3638-8005-9b31-c732b0d1a1bdI already said what I prompted it to do.
>Write a satirical song about posting pictures of yourself flexing to win arguments on anonymous message boards, using words like Dyel, and manlet.Now you're feeling insecure about some LLM generated lines it decided to do itself.
>>2411208Maybe, but I’m still cautious. There’s usually a toll booth at the end of the road for literally anything these days. I want to see the profit motive for its creation first.
>>2411233What part of left twitter I wonder
>>2411233Honestly? We should leave.
Let the trolls make each other miserable while we figure our shit out. Let’s make a discord or a fediverse server and just go there. If someone like Felix or TWist schizo comes in, just block/ban.
If the community here wants to be this much of a shithole, then let it eat itself while the rest of us move on.
>>2411246>>2411248Point taken, discord’s a no-go.
Maybe a matrix chat?
>>2411237>What part of left twitter I wonderOriginally the term Treats was coined by Chapo Trap House co-host Matt. Treatler was created by a user by the name of 1stWorldParasite in a reply to posting_forever (
https://xcancel.com/posting_forever) who'd go on to create 'Treatlerite'. It then spread from there.
>>2411242>>2411248>>2411282How about a BBS?
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