Antifa is useless and promotes a false epistemology. Running around and attacking anyone labeled as a fascist is a terrible and self-destructive praxis for the left. For one thing, it places the existence of fascism on the failure of the individual to live up to standards of decency rather than on the social structures that created said fascism to begin with. Antifa largely reinforces the idea that individuals are solely to blame.
Second, adventurism (including beating the shit out of people we don’t like) has done nothing to advance socialism anywhere. Luigi Mangione, Shane Tamura and Elias Rodriguez are not heroes. You know what happened after Luigi killed Brian Thompson? He was replaced the next day. You know what happened when Shane killed Wesley LePatner? She was replaced the next day. You know what happened when Elias killed those two Israeli embassy workers? They were replaced the next day. Wow, it’s almost as if isolated acts of political violence have never accomplished shit.
But yes, we need a mass political movement t to defeat fascism, not the anarchist equivalent of street gangs singling out “problematic” individuals.
>>2415430Trotskys analysis was wrong or at least I disagree with it, even if it really is just capitalism in crisis you have to fundamentally understand:
Antifa views fascism as the important part.
This means that it only waits for capital to enter crisis and want to fix it rather than destroying it.
It is not anti capitalism no matter what mental gymnastics you put to it.
It might have been in 1930 but not anymore.
>>2415432Well it seems like putting capistalists to the task of opposing fascism while remaining capitalist just exposes the oxymoronic nature of trying to do that.
>>2415437tbh I haven't read trotsky yet. Didn't even know the guy wrote theory, I just know him has the funny party split pickaxe man.
>>2415443Trotsky elaborated on it a bit more but actually you're right it was the entire internationals stance, and Lenin said it about the original ᴉuᴉlossnWites.
Which is a whole complex issue.
And a completely different discussion I cannot be half assed to get into yet discussing how confusion in the development of fascism occurred between then and continued expansion during ww2 on both sides.
Regardless you should know antifa is explicitly not anti capitalism.
The only reason they came back into relevance outside spatting in Europe where they have a history of heritage is because of Trump.
The sheer fact that is the case should tell you that these guys won't be helping in the revolution they'll sooner join the Freikorps given the chance.
heil hitner, hitner trortsy and stain were broth, 14/88 wsa the mtoto of nationa.lsit reivliton start in rusia in 1912 by btorkyso end nhis daughtr STAKIUN READ THE NATROT BIOGRAPHYU OF JEW lenon. we explain and DEBUNK claims of ane fronk. lenon was a jewush cartographer HE devbelop anti-HIOTNER theiory, buyt trotsko killd him, then he mevod to gremny to help HITNER make his OWN c omunism revlution. we are not marxists, fuck marx, he was a uyghur. but no carolus marx was not marxist marxist is creation of donaldo trumpe (not TUrmb he natrot) HE wqsa the murderer of trotkso, he ASSIST his killingment, marx was a national trotksi as we proiobev in video "we are coming" marxism is jew and barack husein musolini CREATION! to defamation national trotk marx. later we delveop the theory of permanent national revoltuon BUILT UPON napOLEON theory and practicre. we despise uyghurs, the logical conclusion of socialism is the eradication of inferior beings, uyghurs are the prime xample of htis as quoted by bo mao in his obok, red socialism. sterber was a uyghur too, hE with HIS theory of anti-hitnerism hATED hitnerism and hitrel that is why post-right gang is OXYMRO!nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. WE fucked their moms and wil fuck YOUR Mom too if u ARE:
PRO-UYGHUR, ANTI-HITNER, ANTI-TROTSKY,ANT-ISTALIN,PRO-STERNer, ANTI-DETERGENT, PRO-UYGHUR,ANTI-COMUNIST,PRO-JEW,PRO-MARXIST,PRO-COMUNIST,ANTI-ANTIFAGNAG,PRO-UYGHUR,ANTI-NAPLON,PRO-MONARCHO,ANTI-MONARCHO,PRO-UYGHUR,PRO-JEW,ANTI-PLATO
>>2415527Holy shit are the jannies actually trying to clean up the thread instead of just deleting it as a whole?
Good luck to them, I'm genuinely shocked they're trying to salvage this autistic brap fest.
>>2415527Don't you think if they were going to assimilate it would have happened for the 2000 years they were living as refugees in European countries?
>>2415528Jews fear the anti-semite.
>>2415565
Yes, they never had, because their religion forbade them. 95% of the answer to the question of why Jews are Like That is their religion (which is, admittedly, terrible and needs to be abolished as soon as possible). 19th century had saw a swift death of religion in Europe, including of Judaism, which should have led to Jews ultimately discarding their Jewish identity and becaming just Germans, Italians, or Spaniards. Karl Marx already clearly did not think of himself as Jewish, as can be evidenced by his pamphlet "On the Jewish Question" or his self-identification with European civilisation… If only some morons didn't resurrect Jewish identity by starting the persecution of anyone in whom they found Jewish ancestry, even if these people did not identify themselves with it at all or even plainly did not knew about it.
>>2415582>nothing exists without the jewsWhat kind of weird mantra is that.
I'm not enough of a historian to tell you why all these other people successfully got their own countries but jews were the only ones who didn't, until recently thanks to Hitler.
I think the best plan of action is a containment strategy where jewish influence is contained within Israel so they cannot affect the world any more.
Also move the Palestinians back into Israel so the jews have to deal with the problem they created instead of pawning them off onto Europeans.
>>2415593An Israeli would not like what I have to say.
>>2415428Hopefully.
>>2415407Shut up, bitch.
Didn't read lol.
>>2415511>Libs are racist idealistsAlready knew this btw.
>>2415674>They burned down scores of small businessesWtf I love Aunt Teefah now.
>>2415864 (me)
I'm drunk fellas sorry, the comment about big mike was obviously for
>>2415552 not, 2415525.
also
>>2415674no trotsko but critical support for the based anarchist invisible hand
>>2416221>Shower 770 Eastern Parkway with fire bombs. Leave no survivors.WTF bro?
>TKD>GtvFlyersOh, I see now. You're a white supremacist.
>>2415407"i hate fascism but i hate that antifa😡😡😡
why they hate my beloved pro-russian AfD?!"
>>2415407>Second, adventurism (including beating the shit out of people we don’t like) has done nothing to advance socialism anywhere. I don't really care about that so much, but that antifascists convince themselves that doing antifascism is leading to some particular political goal, when what they're actually doing is beating up some freak. But it's a stretch for you to then say, oh no, don't beat up that freak! You're hurting the cause of socialism! I'm just, like, whatever. I don't think it matters that much either way, and if this is standing in the way of your socialist revolution… I don't find that convincing. Okay maybe the dozen people in the antifa affinity group in Denver could be doing something else, but on the macro scale it's not like that affinity group in Denver is the decisive pivot point by which a big historical movement revolves around. You know what I'm saying.
>But yes, we need a mass political movement t to defeat fascism, not the anarchist equivalent of street gangs singling out “problematic” individuals.Well, yes. I don't disagree. The crux of the issue with fascist groups is that they're provocateurs. I think it's very important to understand this about them. They show up in public and try to antagonize and frighten people. They want to look intimidating, and that provides something for them, and they get off on that (because they tend to be losers themselves, and it gives them a feeling of power). They want to create tension between different groups, so by pissing off minorities, they hope those minorities will take out their anger on other people who share the same skin color as the fascist group, to try and pit different people against each other. They want a divided, hostile, tension-filled society because that's the environment they find most profitable to operate and to find more recruits.
So the scenario here is like: "THESE GUYS HAVE ARRIVED IN YOUR HOOD, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?" Well you could do nothing. But it's not uncommon for random members of the public to beat their asses. Are you going to tell them, they're not supposed to do that? You don't have to do it. You don't have to be there.
But they try to create lose-lose dilemmas for everybody else. If you do nothing, you let them walk around and do really anti-social stuff, which creates tension, which
is worse for you, if your goal is socialism. More racial tension! You think that's going to help advance socialism? Doesn't seem like it to me. On the other hand, they want to invite violent responses too (especially unorganized, spastic, reactive violence that gets it ass beat on the street by fascists), because that reinforces the inner logic of the group, which probably has an internally violent culture too that is built around getting into fights with each other in their garages. It's very hard to beat the fascism out of them, because the people in the group are like "wow, this just shows what we're up against!" It's like some romantic story about fighting the whole world. When they pile out of a truck and are immediately pelted with bottles from a crowd that's yelling at them to fuck off, that reinforces the kind of siege mentality that they have.
You hear that a lot when they talk about Hitler. They'll always say, well, he lost. But Hitler
fought the whole world. That makes him one of the greatest guys ever! That's how a lot of these guys "think."
>>2417384Man somehow looks worse than El Diablo
Also amazing everyone is masked up except him
>>2419315Lina E is still in prison? I'm sorry but that's crazy.
Did the seething rapist who snitched get beaten to a pulp at least?
>Antifa is useless and promotes a false epistemologyI'm sure your Israeli counterpart is also saying soy PMC pseud nonsense on their pretentious settler socialist forums
>people we don’t likefascist NPC dialog, not a coincidence to see the exact same programming! lol
>>2419315>when nazis violently harass "leftist" youth centres all the fucking time, attack offices of "leftist" politicians and hoard guns, ammo and military equipment it's never a big deal or mere "individual cases" for these hypocrite fucks.<Black man attacked by white supremacists in Charlottesville faces felony chargehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/local/the-brutal-beating-of-black-man-by-white-supremacists-still-roils-charlottesville/2017/10/10/e5994132-a515-11e7-8cfe-d5b912fabc99_story.htmlhttps://blackagendareport.com/power-black-self-defense-lincoln-heights>But the people of Lincoln Heights did not ask for anyone’s permission to defend themselves. The neo-Nazis were quickly dispatched by a larger group of mostly Black protesters who burned their swastika decorated flags after they ran into the back of a U-Haul truck and fled the scene with a police escort. >Ohio is both an open carry and concealed carry state, meaning that firearms may be carried openly or be kept hidden. After the white supremacists fled, the Lincoln Heights residents mobilized into the well organized militia described in the second amendment to the constitution. They organized themselves into patrols and walked the streets armed as the laws of their state allow them to do. Unique IPs: 38