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Antifa is useless and promotes a false epistemology. Running around and attacking anyone labeled as a fascist is a terrible and self-destructive praxis for the left. For one thing, it places the existence of fascism on the failure of the individual to live up to standards of decency rather than on the social structures that created said fascism to begin with. Antifa largely reinforces the idea that individuals are solely to blame.

Second, adventurism (including beating the shit out of people we don’t like) has done nothing to advance socialism anywhere. Luigi Mangione, Shane Tamura and Elias Rodriguez are not heroes. You know what happened after Luigi killed Brian Thompson? He was replaced the next day. You know what happened when Shane killed Wesley LePatner? She was replaced the next day. You know what happened when Elias killed those two Israeli embassy workers? They were replaced the next day. Wow, it’s almost as if isolated acts of political violence have never accomplished shit.

But yes, we need a mass political movement t to defeat fascism, not the anarchist equivalent of street gangs singling out “problematic” individuals.

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>Z flag
>Doesn't "support" anti-fascism

Anti fascism is not anti capitalism modern antifa stopped being the paramilitary wing of the KPD 80 years ago. But personally I'm in the don't give a shit camp.

This is a joke, right?

>>2415427
Fascism is capitalism entering ketosis, anti-fascism is anti-capitalism.

>>2415430
Then why concentrate on fascism ? Centering a movement on being opposed to fascism, opens to the door for the movement to taken by capitalists who are in parole, opposed to fascist.

>>2415430
Trotskys analysis was wrong or at least I disagree with it, even if it really is just capitalism in crisis you have to fundamentally understand:
Antifa views fascism as the important part.
This means that it only waits for capital to enter crisis and want to fix it rather than destroying it.
It is not anti capitalism no matter what mental gymnastics you put to it.
It might have been in 1930 but not anymore.

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>>2415407
didn't ask

>>2415432
Well it seems like putting capistalists to the task of opposing fascism while remaining capitalist just exposes the oxymoronic nature of trying to do that.
>>2415437
tbh I haven't read trotsky yet. Didn't even know the guy wrote theory, I just know him has the funny party split pickaxe man.

>>2415443
Trotsky elaborated on it a bit more but actually you're right it was the entire internationals stance, and Lenin said it about the original ᴉuᴉlossnWites.
Which is a whole complex issue.
And a completely different discussion I cannot be half assed to get into yet discussing how confusion in the development of fascism occurred between then and continued expansion during ww2 on both sides.
Regardless you should know antifa is explicitly not anti capitalism.
The only reason they came back into relevance outside spatting in Europe where they have a history of heritage is because of Trump.
The sheer fact that is the case should tell you that these guys won't be helping in the revolution they'll sooner join the Freikorps given the chance.

>>2415445
It was really stupid from your side to expose the location of your comrades, /pol/bro. Enjoy being tormented by your conscience telling you that it's YOUR fault when the naggers.net website is blocked in a few weeks or less from now.

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>SVPPQRT

"SVPPQRT" is cheerleading unless you send troops, money, weapons, or food to the group you claim to SVPPQRT

If you have bloodlust but no motivation to risk your life they call that being butthurt.

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>>2415407
Didn't ask. your argumentation is dogshit.

>>2415445
Where's the science? Also contradicting itself in the claim #4 debunk. Sources don't matter if you draw irrelevant conclusions from it.

Holy shit you retards don't engage with the bot who posted BLM off topic shit out of nowhere.
Although doing so just does more to prove that Antifa is more closely related to contemporary radlib politics than it is communism.

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>>2415474
>polturd posts saying "we're all anti-anti-fascists here, right fellow leftists?"
>can't keep his spaghetti in for 5 minutes and starts posting uyghur crime statistics
>leftypol takes the bait as always
>"this is radlibs fault"
your psyop is failing hard

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>>2415473
some science for ya

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I don't care

I have money

This is the REAL SCIENCE

>>2415494
>The highest rates of pedophilia do not come from white men
yes, they come from self hating mexican homosexual jews like you

SCIENCE

>>2415486
If not one person asked "What does BLM have to do with anything" instead of instantly taking the bait it might have proved that antifa isn't of the radlib sphere but no one did, the fact that it immediately took hold just proves it. I don't really give a shit if you think this entire thread is one giant samefag, I'm just pointing out that the conditions the discussion led here and of what good is antifa if this is where it led?

>>2415407
>actually we shouldn't form militant groups to fight against reactionaries because muh adventurism
"antifa" is stupid and radlib but you are stupider. We should be building up militant (and explicitly socialist not just "anti-fascist") cells while also building a mass movement. You support neither of these things because I know by "mass political movement" you just mean larping as bolsheviks with your zigger friends.

SCIENTIFIC PAPER

NIE MOJ CIRK

>>2415511
>Home of the homosexuals, mexicans and jews?
No, that's /pol/, sorry, I mean /zion/

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VHS IS THE TRUE WEAPON OF THE PROLETARIAT

>>2415518
THAT'S BECASUE YOU ARE A BLUEPILLED CUCK (ZIONIST)

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I'm learning…

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heil hitner, hitner trortsy and stain were broth, 14/88 wsa the mtoto of nationa.lsit reivliton start in rusia in 1912 by btorkyso end nhis daughtr STAKIUN READ THE NATROT BIOGRAPHYU OF JEW lenon. we explain and DEBUNK claims of ane fronk. lenon was a jewush cartographer HE devbelop anti-HIOTNER theiory, buyt trotsko killd him, then he mevod to gremny to help HITNER make his OWN c omunism revlution. we are not marxists, fuck marx, he was a uyghur. but no carolus marx was not marxist marxist is creation of donaldo trumpe (not TUrmb he natrot) HE wqsa the murderer of trotkso, he ASSIST his killingment, marx was a national trotksi as we proiobev in video "we are coming" marxism is jew and barack husein musolini CREATION! to defamation national trotk marx. later we delveop the theory of permanent national revoltuon BUILT UPON napOLEON theory and practicre. we despise uyghurs, the logical conclusion of socialism is the eradication of inferior beings, uyghurs are the prime xample of htis as quoted by bo mao in his obok, red socialism. sterber was a uyghur too, hE with HIS theory of anti-hitnerism hATED hitnerism and hitrel that is why post-right gang is OXYMRO!nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. WE fucked their moms and wil fuck YOUR Mom too if u ARE:

PRO-UYGHUR, ANTI-HITNER, ANTI-TROTSKY,ANT-ISTALIN,PRO-STERNer, ANTI-DETERGENT, PRO-UYGHUR,ANTI-COMUNIST,PRO-JEW,PRO-MARXIST,PRO-COMUNIST,ANTI-ANTIFAGNAG,PRO-UYGHUR,ANTI-NAPLON,PRO-MONARCHO,ANTI-MONARCHO,PRO-UYGHUR,PRO-JEW,ANTI-PLATO

>>2415520
Israel owes Hitler its existence. If it wasn't for Hitler, Jews (except for religious fanatics, but fuck them anyways) probably would have been fully assimilated into the white/European "race" by now.

>>2415525
HITREL WAS A WEAPON OF ZIONIST CHAIM WEIZMANN

THE MOST RABID ANTISEMITE IS THE GREATEST GIFT TO THE ZIORAT READ GRIGORY KLIMOV YOU FUCKING FAGGOT

4CUCK POL IS JUST LIKE TORQUEMADA THEY ARE ALL SECRETLY JEWS AND WOULD LIKE TO VISIT EPSTEIN ISLAND BUT WE WILL SEND THEM TO GOLI OTOK INSTEAD FUCK THEIR MOTHERS FUCK YOU CUNT

>>2415525
See >>2415527

>>2415527
Holy shit are the jannies actually trying to clean up the thread instead of just deleting it as a whole?
Good luck to them, I'm genuinely shocked they're trying to salvage this autistic brap fest.

>>2415527
Don't you think if they were going to assimilate it would have happened for the 2000 years they were living as refugees in European countries?

>>2415528
Jews fear the anti-semite.

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ACCEPT THE REDPILL MEXICAN CATHOLIC ZIORAT FREEMASON FAGGOT

>>2415523
I really don't want to engage with the discussion this thread has devolved into but Schacht notoriously backstabbed the Nazis by the end of the war and was a double agent since like 1935, if anything him helping the Haavara agreement get made only de-Nazifies its involvement further.

>>2415532
>Jews fear the anti-semite.
JEWS ARE THE ANTISEMITE YOU MOUTHBREATHING RETARD DON'T YOU GET IT SO MOTHERFUCKING STRAIGHTFORWARD DONt YOU SEE IT YOU CROMAGNON CRIPPLE

>>2415527
They didn't assimilate in 2000 years why would they assimilate now? They are unassimilable.

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>>2415525
I'm red pill, you should too.

>>2415532
>>2415539
Huns had eventually assimilated into "European" culture and became Hungarians. OG Bulgarians, who were Turkics from Central Asia, assimilated too. So did Finns - OG Finns were "Yellow" Asians, current Finns are blonde Aryans who still celebrate Nazi collaboration, their language is the only remembrance of their once-yellowness.

>>2415540
I REVERSED YOUR MOTHER YESTERDAY ZIORAT

YOU ARE THE JEW AND YOU CAN'T DENY IT

SO NICE TRY SHLOMO

>>2415569
>I'm a colonizer
translation: "I am jewish"

lol

>>2415565
>Jews never had their own country in Europe unlike the Finnish, Hungarians and Bulagrians.
who were the subversive element in the Swedish, Russian, Austrian and Ottoman Empires.

They literally got their countries because they were acting as agents of other empires (and Rothschilds)

Everything is jewish, nothing exists without the jews

You are a jew

smoke w'eed

>>2415561
>I'm not sure you have any examples of anarchy being successful?
When black people have sex with your mom

>>2415565
Yes, they never had, because their religion forbade them. 95% of the answer to the question of why Jews are Like That is their religion (which is, admittedly, terrible and needs to be abolished as soon as possible). 19th century had saw a swift death of religion in Europe, including of Judaism, which should have led to Jews ultimately discarding their Jewish identity and becaming just Germans, Italians, or Spaniards. Karl Marx already clearly did not think of himself as Jewish, as can be evidenced by his pamphlet "On the Jewish Question" or his self-identification with European civilisation… If only some morons didn't resurrect Jewish identity by starting the persecution of anyone in whom they found Jewish ancestry, even if these people did not identify themselves with it at all or even plainly did not knew about it.

>>2415577
>I'm here to bring cultural advancement
translation: Israeli propaganda

>>2415582
>nothing exists without the jews

What kind of weird mantra is that.

I'm not enough of a historian to tell you why all these other people successfully got their own countries but jews were the only ones who didn't, until recently thanks to Hitler.


I think the best plan of action is a containment strategy where jewish influence is contained within Israel so they cannot affect the world any more.

Also move the Palestinians back into Israel so the jews have to deal with the problem they created instead of pawning them off onto Europeans.


>>2415593

An Israeli would not like what I have to say.

>>2415597
>An Israeli would not like what I have to say.
translation: I am an Israeli

AntiFa is a movement not a group. There are AntiFa groups though but they all operate differently doing different things.

>>2415428
Hopefully.

>>2415407
Shut up, bitch.

>>2415633
Ironically if you replace "cis white male" with "jew" and "poc" with "white" it actually is a pretty accurate depiction of the average /pol/acks worldview.

>>2415407
>For one thing, it places the existence of fascism on the failure of the individual to live up to standards of decency rather than on the social structures that created said fascism to begin with.
Grad student bullshit.

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Stalin was the biggest antifa of them all .

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Is antifa still a thing? Haven't heard about them in years. They burned down scores of small businesses, which is definitely bad and not progressive.

>>2415489
>>2415620
Check out this thread: >>2397825

>>2415674
>They burned down scores of small businesses
Source?

>>2415718
Various content farms on the TV and YouTube between 2014 and 2018. Pre-woke, post-political correctness.

Didn't read lol.
>>2415511
>Libs are racist idealists
Already knew this btw.
>>2415674
>They burned down scores of small businesses
Wtf I love Aunt Teefah now.

>>2415407
Go back to /pol/.

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I would like to give a shout-out to both wings of Capital equally for such an entertaining thread! It's been a lot of fun observing you all pwning yourselves! Keep it going!
>>2415525
Trve Anarchism represent! I had no previous idea that Aragorn!'s .txt folder was censoring Big Mike's greatest theoretical contribution. Shame!
>>2415561
>>2415596
Gems! <3

The worst product of fascism is anti fascism but liberal

>>2415864 (me)
I'm drunk fellas sorry, the comment about big mike was obviously for >>2415552 not, 2415525.
also
>>2415674
no trotsko but critical support for the based anarchist invisible hand

This thread is bait.

I think we should actually join right wing mobs. It is the only way to win over workers isn't it?

I want all Zios to hang like Leo Frank.

Fuck these genocidal fuckers.

Yaron and Sarah deserved worse.

Shower 770 Eastern Parkway with fire bombs. Leave no survivors.

No mercy.

TKD

GtvFlyers.Com for new faggots itt.

EyeNoseJewsAreEvil

>>2416221
>Shower 770 Eastern Parkway with fire bombs. Leave no survivors.
WTF bro?

>TKD

>GtvFlyers
Oh, I see now. You're a white supremacist.

>>2415674
Burning small businesses is progressive and a good thing, communists are opposed to all bourgeois, even the small ones.

>>2415407
Apply it to Anti-Zionism too

>>2415407
>Z-Faggot
<Pro-fascist
Wow color me surprised

antifa, kurdophiles, and other anarchist groups are our narodovoltsi, they are our narodnik radicals, same reasoning back then applies now.

>>2415407
"i hate fascism but i hate that antifa😡😡😡
why they hate my beloved pro-russian AfD?!"

>>2416335
Go pray to your salafi mosque retard

>>2415674
kys retarded polyp

Antifa are at best insufferable moralists, and at worst, outright feds.

I’ve never seen an Antifa clique that didn’t glow hard.

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>>2415407
>Second, adventurism (including beating the shit out of people we don’t like) has done nothing to advance socialism anywhere.
I don't really care about that so much, but that antifascists convince themselves that doing antifascism is leading to some particular political goal, when what they're actually doing is beating up some freak. But it's a stretch for you to then say, oh no, don't beat up that freak! You're hurting the cause of socialism! I'm just, like, whatever. I don't think it matters that much either way, and if this is standing in the way of your socialist revolution… I don't find that convincing. Okay maybe the dozen people in the antifa affinity group in Denver could be doing something else, but on the macro scale it's not like that affinity group in Denver is the decisive pivot point by which a big historical movement revolves around. You know what I'm saying.

>But yes, we need a mass political movement t to defeat fascism, not the anarchist equivalent of street gangs singling out “problematic” individuals.

Well, yes. I don't disagree. The crux of the issue with fascist groups is that they're provocateurs. I think it's very important to understand this about them. They show up in public and try to antagonize and frighten people. They want to look intimidating, and that provides something for them, and they get off on that (because they tend to be losers themselves, and it gives them a feeling of power). They want to create tension between different groups, so by pissing off minorities, they hope those minorities will take out their anger on other people who share the same skin color as the fascist group, to try and pit different people against each other. They want a divided, hostile, tension-filled society because that's the environment they find most profitable to operate and to find more recruits.

So the scenario here is like: "THESE GUYS HAVE ARRIVED IN YOUR HOOD, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?" Well you could do nothing. But it's not uncommon for random members of the public to beat their asses. Are you going to tell them, they're not supposed to do that? You don't have to do it. You don't have to be there.

But they try to create lose-lose dilemmas for everybody else. If you do nothing, you let them walk around and do really anti-social stuff, which creates tension, which is worse for you, if your goal is socialism. More racial tension! You think that's going to help advance socialism? Doesn't seem like it to me. On the other hand, they want to invite violent responses too (especially unorganized, spastic, reactive violence that gets it ass beat on the street by fascists), because that reinforces the inner logic of the group, which probably has an internally violent culture too that is built around getting into fights with each other in their garages. It's very hard to beat the fascism out of them, because the people in the group are like "wow, this just shows what we're up against!" It's like some romantic story about fighting the whole world. When they pile out of a truck and are immediately pelted with bottles from a crowd that's yelling at them to fuck off, that reinforces the kind of siege mentality that they have.

You hear that a lot when they talk about Hitler. They'll always say, well, he lost. But Hitler fought the whole world. That makes him one of the greatest guys ever! That's how a lot of these guys "think."

Not shitting on them. One of the few good things Anarchist do

>>2415633
i can't understand if some incel /pol/shutin wrote, printed, poured coffee on, photo'd and disseminated this dogshit to troll the people who kicked their head in or if some tryhard twitter fag wrote, printed, poured coffee on, photo'd and disseminated this dogshit to troll boomer right wingers, or … who is this even for?

>>2417384
Man somehow looks worse than El Diablo
Also amazing everyone is masked up except him

>>2417368
>moralists
How?

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I'm not a big fan of anarshit smashies and associated libshit "leftists", however when they beat up rightoids and put up resistance against real estate sharks i do not complain. It's the only occasion when terminal contrarians and hippies actually engage in doing something worthwhile that goes beyond caring for their 15 person independent alternative libertarian academic artfag hippie pot smoker squat house commune in a big city scene district. Only rightoids get butthurt about it, because rightoids of course don't enjoy it when they get to taste their own medicine. When nazis get raided and beaten up by "Antifa" with a bat once in half a century the entire bourgeois liberal mainstream and reactionaries including the AfD marches in lockstep against "radical leftist terrorism", but when nazis violently harass "leftist" youth centres all the fucking time, attack offices of "leftist" politicians and hoard guns, ammo and military equipment it's never a big deal or mere "individual cases" for these hypocrite fucks.

FREE LINA

>>2415407
>For one thing, it places the existence of fascism on the failure of the individual to live up to standards of decency rather than on the social structures that created said fascism to begin with. Antifa largely reinforces the idea that individuals are solely to blame.
This is exactly what cancel culture is too.

>>2419315
Lina E is still in prison? I'm sorry but that's crazy.
Did the seething rapist who snitched get beaten to a pulp at least?

>>2415407
>They hated him, because he spoke the truth.jpeg

Fuck all """anti-"""fascists.

Long live communism!

Lal salam!

You know 2020 was five years ago, right?

>>2419315
>FREE LINA
I'll take 4

>>2417387
Literally and by definition anarchists can do no good.



>>2415407
>zigger immigrant from /pol/ doesnt like antifa
Wow

>Antifa is useless and promotes a false epistemology
I'm sure your Israeli counterpart is also saying soy PMC pseud nonsense on their pretentious settler socialist forums
>people we don’t like
fascist NPC dialog, not a coincidence to see the exact same programming! lol

>>2419315
>when nazis violently harass "leftist" youth centres all the fucking time, attack offices of "leftist" politicians and hoard guns, ammo and military equipment it's never a big deal or mere "individual cases" for these hypocrite fucks.
<Black man attacked by white supremacists in Charlottesville faces felony charge
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/the-brutal-beating-of-black-man-by-white-supremacists-still-roils-charlottesville/2017/10/10/e5994132-a515-11e7-8cfe-d5b912fabc99_story.html

https://blackagendareport.com/power-black-self-defense-lincoln-heights
>But the people of Lincoln Heights did not ask for anyone’s permission to defend themselves. The neo-Nazis were quickly dispatched by a larger group of mostly Black protesters who burned their swastika decorated flags after they ran into the back of a U-Haul truck and fled the scene with a police escort.
>Ohio is both an open carry and concealed carry state, meaning that firearms may be carried openly or be kept hidden. After the white supremacists fled, the Lincoln Heights residents mobilized into the well organized militia described in the second amendment to the constitution. They organized themselves into patrols and walked the streets armed as the laws of their state allow them to do.


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