How do leftists propose to court the young white male demographic in the West? They're increasingly becoming radicalized to the right wing. They're either Trump voters, Groypers, or some form of white nationalist at this point. Liberalism clearly has no better answers than the far-right's. So what is your solution?(/pol/ tourism thread)
>>2416700>Are you denying the fact that inherent differences in intelligence existno, the autism score test is retarded though.
>My point is that you can't get political power without courting the largest and most deeply entrenched demographic of the country.we are talking about broccoli haired zoomers, why are we talking like they can actually fight?
>>2416708Not giving tax cuts to people who make millions of dollars, not cutting food stamps, not cutting healthcare, not boosting military budget, not tripling funding of gestapo ice, increasing funding for mental health and rehabilitation services, make community college free, stop giving handouts mega corps and tax breaks, increase pay for teachers, force homeless people into state funded shelters as we open more so they don't bother people and so they are housed, don't cut social security, give people who are transitioning from welfare to work force welfare for longer time once start do encouraged to keep working. I could keep going
I think many Americans would agree with these
>>2416718I win by default when they have to rent a home and they can't afford it so end up homeless and start hating the bourgeousie.
Real life is more important than some vril edits on xitter.
>>2416718Shit slide thread
Westerners deserve the rope
Muh GIBS for amerimutt dogs so they don't become fascists
>>2416735Losing what
American support?
Who the fuck cares if your piece of the world gets glasses you mutt
>>2416696A by-the-book orthodox leftist is never going to hold a candle to Fuentes, it would have to be someone who is willing to be more creative and open to other ideas.
Fuentes himself is not an ideological alt-righter, and is willing to entertain various strands of thought, which is what makes him interesting.
>>2416740The German bourgeoisie wanted war to restart the Germany economy after the Great Depression.
The US bourgeoisie still didn't fix the damage caused by 2008, sooner or later its gonna have to come down to the only fix they know. Get ready for war, bucko. The right wing shift is to create some meat for the grinder, nothing personel.
>>2416732>and the tax cuts for the rich could serve to radicalize people to a fascist third positionIt wont because no one cares about tax cuts for the rich beside leftists.
And even many leftists like me think this is pointless and the problem won't be solved by taking 1 billion from every billionaire.
>>2416724Yeah and? I think that Hyde has much more vitality to him even if he is a hack. I just don't see Fuentes as anything more than the rest of the neo-talk radio yap factories.
>>2416741/pol/tard wants to intimidate us into liking him.
>>2416747>100 million deportationsVrilly uygha?
I don't even think the US have the infrastructures for this. And if they wanted to make them they would need the manual worker browns to do the job.
I could see the far-right adopting a Dubai model with whites being first class citizen by birth and the rest merely there, but the browns will still be there. There isnt going to be remigration in America, mayyyybe in Europe though they have the demographic and infrastructures for this, but the birth rates of white europeans outside of white French people is South Korea tier.
>>2416757He's not very dogmatic though he's right. He even entertain voting dem when some candidates are "based" on zionism. He's more like Richard Spencer/Richard Bananie figure. Very opportunistic.
>>2416765Grug take. But mostly true. The saddest part is "we" did this to appeal to what? Fucking striver upper class immigrants? We did this for Vivek Ramashwarmy lmao.
>>2416775Chinas home ownership rate is 98%
In comparison:
For every homeless person in the US there are 22 vacant homes owned by property investment firms
>>2416791>the westdoes that include the white male peasants who were enslaved to the ruling class?
>>2416795would you call black identity politics whiny?
>>2416790NF is not a doctrinaire alt-righter
He was praising Greta Thunberg and "European socialism" a week or so ago
>>2416808That is more of a fuck off cops thing. Stop being annoying pigs sort of deal. That is why true-crime content ever so synthetically hit the white woman demographic like crack cocaine in detroit.
>>2416810I lived in suburbs before mate. I like small cities the best though, I have no problem with other races being around.
>>2416821There was a French guy who killed himself and gave him a bunch of Bitcoin before died
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/far-right-extremists-raise-millions-cryptocurrency-bitcoin/Shortly before his suicide, in December 2020, a French computer programmer named Laurent Bachelier sent 28.15 Bitcoins — then worth over $520,000 — to 22 far-right entities. The bulk went to Nick Fuentes, an American white nationalist influencer who would spend the coming weeks encouraging his tens of thousands of followers to lay siege to the U.S. Capitol. One bitcoin went to a Daily Stormer account.
>>2416806"Demographis is destiny" is a truism that is mostly a meme. You can me a tiny minority with middling birthrates and be in control. Look at ashkenazi jews in the west post WW2.
This guy is deluted but birthrates isnt what would stop whites for dominating the world.
>>2416822Weird cope. You internalized wokism too much. Browns were just ready to die 10:1 against Rhodesian Security Force while whites were too soft and/or not numerous enough for it. They werent "allowed" anymore than the Slavic hordes were "allowed" to rape the Germans in 1945, they wanted to do it and they did it.
>>2416815he is taking that same trajectory it seems
>>2416820And most people on the right still won't praise her. He is willing to take "left wing" positions even if it's for "based" reasons, or even if that is just a rationalisation. He's still willing to do it because he has no desire to conform.
>>2416869Well the answer to your question is to simply just say that you want the economic shit that the youths like and to be vaguely manly enough for them to like you.
>>2416873>nypostmurdoch
>>2416871Look at how much aid we've given to these third world countries. We could've used our technology to wipe them off of the map but we didn't in the name of "equality". But I agree, just because we controlled the world for 500 years doesn't mean it's inevitable that we control the world going forward. That's our job.
He who would not fight will not live.
>>2416851If something happened to Nick would any pro Palestinian protestors give a shit? I doubt it so he has a point. But also if he doesn't support them who else is there for him to support against total jewish domination?
>>2416854I remember seeing a stat that said he was the top dono earner on D-Live in 2021, and it came out at about $90k per year. I don't think he's pulling 15k a night now, judging by his superchats. He might get about a dozen that are $100
then the rest are $10 and $20 and he gets about 100 superchats a night. I suppose it depends on how busy the night is.
>>2416878couldve wouldve
the bibisi grows longer
>>2416892thats what being a man is - being a big dumb ape
>nerd claims his will to power by poisoning your mind with magic symbols that turn you effeminate<grug punches nerd and laughs, breaking the spellyou never read nietzsche?
>>2416904he just seems like another NRx coat-tailer to me
maybe im wrong
>>2416924>I think the difference is that there's an emerging large base of extremely young, extremely right wing zoomers that will push the GOP rightwardTrue. But the dem has this too from 2008 till Biden. It amounted to very little.
>Dems, they're just collapsing into third worldism.Liz Cheney IS Brat and Gavin Newsome isnt very thirdworldist.
>>2416894And? I’ve argued with dissident right guys and it’s easy to beat them with class. I point out that if they’re really upset about “immigrants stealing jobs” then the quickest way to deal with that is to arrest business owners instead of immigrants. If they’re say “well we can do both” I point out that they never actually do, that given the choice between arresting business owners and migrants the only people who get arrested are migrants, the business owner is always free to hire more and for the rest of us it means taxes go up. If they try to propose an alternative that’s just want of their torture fantasies I point out, again, that they don’t actually include anything about punishing the businesses responsible.
I go on the attack, I accuse the dissident right of loving Jeff Bezos, I say they don’t give a fuck about their own people living on the streets, I call them boomers who but into horseshit about “le job creators”. They hate being on the defensive so I force them to. I attack and make it clear they can either be racist Bezos cucks or they can actually stand up for themselves, which means dropping the Nazi ideology shit and going after business first.
>I have two responses. One is that if we actually kick out all of the immigrants it doesn't matter if we arrest the business owners or not.
So you'd rather spend maybe a $1 trillion and several decades trying to "kick out the immigrants, all the while you've got people protesting and viciously pushing back against it, rather than maybe a few million dollars and a year to just set up e-verify and start arresting business owners who "forget" to check for citizenship? Fucking boneheaded strategy if you ask me. "I'll gladly pay my entire salary as long as our precious business leaders are safe."
>Second is that the Republican party is still largely captured by international elite forces that are traitors to America.
Weird how you guys can never seem to figure out these traitors before you elect them to office. It's all "Wooo! Trump Train! Brexit! AfD!" Then Trump gets into office and he starts talking about how we need to bring in more Indian IT workers because "Well, gosh, we can just never find people for the jobs!"
>The Republican party is not anywhere close to our ideal political party.
Dunno why not, you all seem to deify them right up until they stab you in the back and then it's "Uhh, actually I never REALLY liked them!" Like, Q started on /pol/ before migrating to 8chan, y'all had an entire religion dedicated to how Trump was going to "save" you, and then after all that support it's just another billion dollars for Israel and more Indian IT workers. You all were giddy for Brexit but then it just made U.K. businesses worse off and brought up talks of importing more Pakistani migrants to make up for the collapse in immigration from the EU.
>And as for billionaires, I really have no opinion.
These guys are calling you "lazy" for wanting to work for more than $1 an hour. They're giddily buying up housing so that you'll never own a home and have to scrape and scrabble for rent money. What, when they're fucking your girl in front of you are you gonna say: "Yes Mister Bezos sir! Thank you for not charging rent this month, sir! You're such a great job creator, sir! I promise if you knock my girlfriend up I'll raise your child for you, sir!"
>We will have powerful people. If they're loyal to our nation they're fine, if not then they're bad.
So the same excuse as "The Golden One", it's all: "Oh, we'll have Capitalism with a sense of HONOR. It'll be BASED Capitalism!" You can't define what that actually looks like, and you've got Elon Musk giving long diatribes of "No no no, trust me bro, we need the Indians bro, it's really America First bro! It's like putting together an all-star sports team, bro! It's based! Trust me, bro!"
Be sure to pay your rent to Blackrock, Citizen! It's what a loyal, hardworking citizen will do! Glory to the volk and make sure palantir has all your data, it's for the good nation!
>>2417008>So you'd rather spend maybe a $1 trillion and several decades trying to "kick out the immigrants, all the while you've got people protesting and viciously pushing back against it, rather than maybe a few million dollars and a year to just set up e-verify and start arresting business owners who "forget" to check for citizenship?Yes, because the immigrants have to leave this land either way. Cracking down on the businesses could save us money, we want as many people to self-deport as we can, but our first priority is the demographic state of our lands.
>Weird how you guys can never seem to figure out these traitors before you elect them to officeElectoral politics are a sham.
>you all seem to deify them right up until they stab you in the backYou're conflating multiple groups of people in the right wing with each other. Fuentes is currently the biggest name in the right and he called out the Republicans before the election.
>These guys are calling you "lazy" for wanting to work for more than $1 an hourOur current elite class are traitors to the nation that produced them. They should all be forced to submit to the national interest or have their head on a pike.
>So the same excuse as "The Golden One", it's all: "Oh, we'll have Capitalism with a sense of HONOR. It'll be BASED Capitalism!"There is no way to get rid of elites. In any society, some people will be far more powerful than the rest. Our job is to ensure that the state, as the ultimate authority, punishes the elites if they are disloyal. The current political order does not do this. This is a problem.
>Yes, because the immigrants have to leave this land either way. Cracking down on the businesses could save us money, we want as many people to self-deport as we can, but our first priority is the demographic state of our lands.
Except you don’t actually want them to leave, because you’re using the most fucking boneheaded and indirect way of doing it. If they can’t be hired they’ve got no reason to come here, but instead of just doing the cheap and quick e-verify you want to hire, what, a million guys to one by one spend weeks searching the streets to pick up anyone with brown skin. Even now you’re just trying to dodge the fact that this is a business problem first and foremost, why is it so important for you to protect these guys?
>Electoral politics are a sham.
Never stops you for falling for it when some “based” conservative comes around.
>You're conflating multiple groups of people in the right wing with each other. Fuentes is currently the biggest name in the right and he called out the Republicans before the election
Nick Fuentes had dinner with Trump and was invited to speak at events by Republican politicians. Behold the based dissident right: incorruptible up until some geriatric queen invites them to have a well-done steak for dinner.
>Our current elite class are traitors to the nation that produced them. They should all be forced to submit to the national interest or have their head on a pike.
Then your guys come to power and suddenly one jumbo jet gift later they’re great people that the fatherland relies on. The Nazis fucking put Rothschilds up in hotels and never killed a single “elite”. It’s the same shit every time: “oh this elites different, he’s actually based”
Literally all it takes for you to like Bezos is just him saying some racial slur. Like that’s it. Your loyalty can just be bought by saying the right things.
> There is no way to get rid of elites. In any society, some people will be far more powerful than the rest. Our job is to ensure that the state, as the ultimate authority, punishes the elites if they are disloyal. The current political order does not do this. This is a problem.
Literally communist societies alone are the only ones that have punished elites consistently. Nazis just give them contracts and say they’re based.
>>2417074>you want to hire, what, a million guys to one by one spend weeks searching the streets to pick up anyone with brown skinYes, because some will still remain due to the superiority of our nation.
>why is it so important for you to protect these guys?It's not. It's important for the Republican party because they're bought by corporate interests.
>Never stops you for falling for it when some “based” conservative comes aroundWho is "you" here?
>Nick Fuentes had dinner with Trump and was invited to speak at events by Republican politiciansHe spoke with Trump because of Kanye and every Republican he's networked with has eventually disavowed him.
>The Nazis fucking put Rothschilds up in hotels and never killed a single “elite”.There's no need to kill them if you've forced them to capitulate to national interests. That's just bloodshed for the sake of bloodshed.
>Your loyalty can just be bought by saying the right things.By doing the right things, but yes. If Bezos began only hiring Whites I would love him.
>Literally communist societies alone are the only ones that have punished elites consistentlyWhy should we want to capsize the elite class? They're intelligent and industrious. If we can use state power to force them to be loyal why do we need to kill or depose them?
>Nazis just give them contracts and say they’re basedI fail to see the problem.
>>2417064They're going to be minorities in their own nations soon, it won't and we don't have to care about them.
>>2417069No all white people are like that and are already being liquidated.
>>2417104Oh so you're just an asshurt cracker.
Well good luck doing that a second time after industrializing the non whites of the world, thanks for that, like I said though if being white is so important to you, the surviving whites past 2100 will be allowed to live in wild forest ancom tribes away from communist non white civilizations after you become too small to do real harm.
>>2417123So you're just an asshurt Nazi then got it.
>>2417127This.
>>2417132The 2nd part is true, just wait it out, then instate communism.
>>2417177Not a race war or you would have done it 30 years ago.
The material conditions for it aren't going to happen the same way that the material conditions for fighting with legislature against houses being bought by corporations. The facts are that whites are complacent, getting fucked over in every which way, and sitting by it.
>Kamelo Anthonys dad saying he forgives his sons killer and denounces racism>That one cracker who killed himself over AI blackmailAll just go to show that despite everything you will always sit there in impotent rage at the change of the world, at best you will vote in pundits like Trump who will continue importing non whites into your nations because fuck you personally.
Your sons will be reliant on asian women and your daughters will fuck black men and Muslims or asians too thanks to K Pop.
You cannot convince anyone outside of a few thousand like I said. You will be relegated to anarcho communalist tribes in the forest. That's the best deal white people will get. A fitting end for your kind.
Also
>Not sure you'll like the outcomeYou said it yourself, you think communism is impossible, you say that like I'm losing out on a soldier, fuck no faggot, I don't give a fuck what you do.
White genocide is unstoppable from both me and you. Cry about it.
>>2417195who wins
gangbangers vs sheltered suburbia
>>2417209We shouldn't.
Anyone who says that communists should appeal to men or white people at this point is just a bitter loser.
>>2417083>Yes, because some will still remain due to the superiority of our nation. So you think they'll stay in a nation where they can't find a job, can't rent an apartment, can't own a home, and where some psychotic government is talking about "the purity of the white race" 24/7 because, what, we've got some fucking gay looking roman statues? People don't leave their countries, friends, and family behind because they find the architecture pretty, they do it for a material incentive: work.
>It's not. It's important for the Republican party because they're bought by corporate interests.For something that sure isn't important to you guys, you go out of your way to find ways to excuse the behavior of business; if the rent goes up you blame the immigrants over the landlord, if wages are too small you, again, blame immigrants over the rich guy paying the wages.
>Who is "you" here?The ideology based around collectivizing entire groups of people and assuming their motives sure seems to get upset if you collective them. The fact is the far-right fell head over heels with Trump, you had Richard Spencer heiling him. You don't get to say "Oh, that's not
us" when that's not a charity you extend to anyone else.
>There's no need to kill them if you've forced them to capitulate to national interests. That's just bloodshed for the sake of bloodshed. You can't even define what "the national interest" is in any consistent way. Importing tons of low-wage migrants is in "the national interest" but when it comes to
that y'all are suddenly like "Oh, there's more things important then profit!"
>By doing the right things, but yes. If Bezos began only hiring Whites I would love him.There's nothing stopping you from working in an Amazon fulfillment center today. Literally nothing. If your dream is to work for Amazon just fucking do it, it's a shitty job that doesn't pay nearly enough for the labor required.
>Why should we want to capsize the elite class? They're intelligent and industrious.Donald Trump and Elon Musk are two of the most retarded and lazy mother fuckers out there. There's literally no evidence that being rich means "intelligence".
>If we can use state power to force them to be loyal why do we need to kill or depose them?Except they already are "loyal" as far as the actual concerns of the state go. You can't define "loyalty" or "national interest" because that's ultimately just your fucking feelings.
>I fail to see the problem.Jesus how fucking cuckolded, "I'm fine having my hands ground up by industrial machinery for pennies, but I won't stand having a mexican working next to me!"
>>2416645Landlordicide
Constitutional right to have a job
Reduced workweek
No more wars
>>2416645>How do leftists propose to court the young white male demographic in the West?We can't, any "recruitment" campaign is bound to fail.
These young white men are not working class, they are petty-bourgeois. They are class enemies and should be treated as such.
>>2417279This.
Whites are fundamentally petit bourgeoisie, the prole recruitment is mostly going to be asian and latinx.
If you are triggered by that you are reactionary >>2417279>These young white menWhich ones? Because last I checked, and I may be wrong, the working class was around 80% of the US population. Even if they were miraculously all white men, there would still be more proletarian white men.
If you're talking about the ones who are actually booj sons of millionaires, then fine, dismiss them as overwhelmingly petbooj, but to pretend that's a typical young man, white or not, is overlooking a huge chunk of the working class. In a word; racial bigotry. No war but the class war.
>>2416645Men are
NOT turning right wing, it's a propaganda push from the bourgeoise
>>2417686You're a femboy hanging out in tranime spaces Moffin your opinion and social circles is not an accurate snapshot to mainstream men.
t. have lots of mainstream male friends who are all conservacucks or fascists
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