As a Chinese citizen, I have noticed that there is surprisingly little discussion about China on leftypol. I would like to remove some of your filters on China and express some of my own opinions:
Yes, China's society is undoubtedly superior to the United States and is about to become the world's number one in a decade.
Yes, the average living standard of the Chinese people is higher than that of the US, but not much higher.
No, China and the US are similar in many places, with bureaucratic, rigid, corrupt, and stratification that are exclusive to major powers. In the corners where no one sees it, there also exists' The other China ', according to Michael Harrington, filled with remnants of feudal and pre-modern times.
Yes, the political environment between us is quite stable. Even if faced with an idiot like Trump, these two countries will not easily collapse.
No, most Chinese people are extremely eager for a war against Japan. Fortunately, our ruling party prefers peace, for unknown reasons.
No, Chinese society is not that stable either. Here are the major social events that have caused public critism in the past month:
1. Wuhan University Accusation Gate
Yang is suspected of academic misconduct, false accusations, and has been publicly protected by the government, which is considered gender discrimination against the male.
2. Jiutai Pilot Recruitment Gate
Jilin Province has recruited the only pilot who has strabismus, which is considered an improper use of relationships.
3. Jiangyou Bullying Gate
14-year-old female student in Jiangyou was bullied. The police not only failed to protect, but also began to bully the relevant masses, which was compared to the "Gwangju Incident" on the internet and triggered a large-scale mass demonstration.
Of course, we will find that the above three things are negligible in the United States, but they have all sparked significant public opinion in China.
Yes, 'Mai 68' may be the only viable option for both countries. Although the "October Revolution" and the "Meiji Restoration" were impossible, society was not so indestructible.
What we need is to gather the majority of people and 'make more friends and fewer enemies', according to Mao.
PS: Surprisingly, why don't you have a DESCENT ORGANASATION in the USA?!! It's illegal and dangerous in China. But it's safe in the USA! Leftists do worse than SCP Foundation!
96 posts and 14 image replies omitted.Well, you get points for SCP Foundation
>>2423141Salve
I spent most of my life around [redacted] (central/eastern europe)
Things will get worse before they get better.
That is all that can be said (positively) about EU and other US vassals.
>>2423093>surprisingly little discussion about China on leftypolThat is not my experience. The anti-China faction cannot help itself inserting their obsession or special interest into everything.
One would assume they do not have enough problems themselves, they must look to the east to find something to harshly critique. This is not so, being somewhat familiar with the situation in US, in fact the opposite is true.
As to the meat of the argument. Yes, the emperor is far away. Same as it's ever been.
>prefers peace, for unknown reasonsis that a really big mystery?
>above three things are negligible in the United States, but they have all sparked significant public opinion in China.Bullying negligible in US? Also news to me.
>>2427778Well, in that case it's incorrect as well.
There is no such thing as a politically negligible issue in the first place. Remember the Satanic panic or any news on violent bideo gaymes.
>>2427842This is nationalist gusano BS. Part of the KMT / FLG platform is naked nationalism, which promotes uncritical glorification of Chinese history, you know, when China conducted both the Dzunghar and Jie (Ran Min) genocides.
Basically, the CPC relies on Lu Xun and Ba Jin, which is based on a dialectical understanding of traditional Chinese culture, seeing both positives (state service, proto-dialectics, proto-humanism, and serve the people) and negatives (feudal oppression, Confucian patriarchy, genocide and despotism).
As I understand, both the CIA and various subversion organizations push ultranationalism, probably knowing fully that if it does break the CPC, they will get Nazi Germany with Chinese characteristics and industrial capability.
@Captaincool07
3 days ago (edited)
One of my subscribers is from a real KMT family , and his entire family has deep roots in the party. His family members worked inside the TW government. In the 1970s, one of them worked in the cabinet of Kai Shek. And One of them is a low level representative. This subscriber followed my channel for many years, and befriended me when I used to be more active on social media. Over time, I got to know him personally.
A few years ago, his uncle went to Mainland China to work with state-owned enterprises, and he himself went to Beijing to study law. At the time, they were both pro-CCP — just like I was. We genuinely believed in the vision China ccp presented. So I lost touch with him when he left.
Then out of nowhere he message me and told me that his uncle got involved doing business with Chinese SOEs and they began interacting directly with provincial level CCP officials. What they saw up close was corruption, hypocrisy, and a system built on exploitation. Workers are abused and money often goes missing or stolen. There is 0 accountability. The CCP elites basically operates like a red aristocracy — a privileged elite class that takes advantage of ordinary people while hiding behind revolutionary slogans. So this subscriber was the one who opened my eyes and convinced me to step away after a few hours of chatting with him on phone.
The CCP uses dialectical thinking and finds contridictions in life, not to seek truth, but to justify contradictions and betrayals to maintain power. They allow for ambiguity, and calculated opportunism — all to achieve long-term goals. Socialism with Chinese characteritics, reform and market economy, "socialist Market economy" is part of this dialectical thinking
This ideological flexibility makes them seem pragmatic on the surface, but in reality, it enables them to turn on their own supporters. From the revolutionaries of the 1950s to the entrepreneurs of the 2000s, and even their own officials during “anti-corruption” campaigns — no one is safe once they outlive their usefulness.
The CCP are masters of the bait-and-switch. They flatter and use other people to rise, then discard them without hesitation once they have no more usefulness. Their entire history is filled with examples of this cycle. Today, with total control over information inside China, they can suppress dissent, flood the internet with state propaganda, and silence anyone who dares to speak out. So if you work for them — when the wind changes and you fall out of favor — who are you going to turn to for help? You are cooked. It is like working for the italian mafia.
I went as far as i could and realized that it was a poisoned wine and stopped drinking it.
Lots of Chinese people, self proclaimed Communist and Marxists outside of China , my self included, are absolutely foolish for believing in ccp. Many defend the party out of anti-Western sentiment or loyalty thinking they are trying to help China, without truly understanding the nature of what is being practiced in China and who is really the one in charge. Dont believe in them anymore.
I was pro-ccp and built my channel arouond that for 10 years. But i saw the manipulation and hypocrisy and change my mind. I don't care if i piss all my subscribers off.
>>2427842You know China better than a real Chinese.
You know what Chinese cultrue all about after the edit of so many dynasties and emperors? They've brainwashed us for millennia, which is why we fell behind than you the western, and got colonized by you.
Communism save us from feudalism and monarchy, though the CPC at this moment have deviate from it.
>>2427850Democracy exists only in theory.
That is not a secret.
>>2429136The CPC is imperfect exactly, but I'm afraid most organisation do much worse than it.
“民意难过长安街。”
Nobody get heard in China, never.
I hope for a change.
>>2429136>There is 0 accountability. <it enables them to turn on their own supporters.<and even their own officials during “anti-corruption” campaignsSo the state is corrupt and bad and self-interested but the state also launches anti corruption purges against its own people.
Fucking moron.
>>2429415我们有九年义务教育的哥，哪怕本科学历都强制要求英语四级的。"However" & "To be honest"后面要逗号是常识，在高考语法填空那甚至是考点（区分“but”和“however”）
再说了，不过和然而，在中文里不也是停顿的吗？
You do need study(or learn) Chinese harder bro.
Do not forget your mother tongue.
>>2429422That's why I can visit it without a VPN.
By the way, weibo is not a search engine, but a media for public figure(like idols and stars, etc), mainly for the female.
A lot of men don't have one on their mobile phone. (Including me)
>>2431210This is the sort of retarded shit you believe when you unironically get all your understanding from other online leftists
No polity fights wars over “ideology”, not really, especially not capitalist polities. These countries do not give a fuck how “free market” your national economy is if your firms become substantially competitive with the West. The state doesn’t exist to secure any particular ideological stance or policy, it exists to secure the needs of the total national capital in the country.
>>2431374Democracy, aka “民主”, literaly "people"+"dominate", means the system of people, by people, for people(aka 民有、民治、民享)
Now the current government by the CPC, declares that, China's got democracy, so-called all-progress democracy(全过程人民民主), as a competitor to the democracy featured votes of the western.
Well, in my view, as well as most Chinese, that is a absolute LIE, which is not a secret.
But to be honese, actually we never had got democracy all over the history(except in Taiwan). So I don't mind ony year longer. And the system of the USA… That is NOT democracy.
Our government do not hear what the people sing.
Democracy, as well as liberty, at this moment, in my land, is often regarded as the sympol of resistence, which invites suppressions from the CPC.
I don't want to prove that I'm not from the CIA or the FBI any more. I believe those information will not be got so easily without living in China.
>>2431272Goddamn I don't care so petite islands.
We can invade Vietnam and Myanmar which are richer. And Taiwan hasn't been liberated yet.
And what about east Siberia and south tibet? With Vladivostok, the northeast will get much richer!
And by now, Mongolia and Vietnam are still provoking, and trying to simping America.
There's so much land to be integrated. And China can I believe. Well, I am a socialist so I hate wars. But the world had better thank the CPC for peace.
>>2431827Simping means to simp like a boy to chasing a lovely girl.
In Chinese, that is "舔", I search for so long to find it.
>>2431830I guess you're pretending.
I can't imagine a Chinese learner or AI or machine can ouput in this way.
Bcz I can't understand a word of you.
>>2431930It's the dialect I learnt as a child, I don't speak ?putonghua? But I am trying to learn.
I'm surprised you didn't get, 中国大人, since it literally just means chinese ummm ?fa? ritualists/literati/officials in classical chinese, and should be legible though stupid and silly as Chinese Adult, which was the joke; I'm assuming your not an official?
>>2431935Dialect? Alright, now I understand why you speak in this weird way. In fact, many dialects do replace 不 with 无, including mine.
Word by word translation:
Chinese Big Man(or adult/sir), American No Heart. No Ambition No Read(?), American, Not Clear(or Ming the Dynasty), Not Big Qing.
So what do you mean by list two dynasties? Is that only two words you remember? That is fantastique.
Anyway, your chinese is fantastique. Chinese culture and history is beautiful and amazing. I'm looking forward to your progress!
But it might not be a good idea to learn dialects from you grandchildren.
你祖籍是福建或广东吗？我是泉州人，说不定我们其实是老乡了。
尽管我们只是素未谋面的陌生人——祝你幸福！
>>2432055Not clear is literal meaning and no Ming is allusion not 大秦, not even big qin, 大秦 also means roman empire in old records
Thank you for the effort to read it, how would I say in proper chinese?
>>2423093>As a Chinese citizen, I have noticed that there is surprisingly little discussion about China on leftypol. I would like to remove some of your filters on China and express some of my own opinions:There is a fuckload. I take it you haven't used this board long. We have had much struggle containing the endless "China isn't communist threads" into the China general. It used to be every retard got it into his head this was a novel idea, never before shared with leftypol, and would make a thread like every other day. Shit a thread has nothing to do with China to become an endless debate about that. It still happens to this day, but maybe it has lessened.
>Yes, China's society is undoubtedly superior to the United States In some ways perhaps.
>and is about to become the world's number one in a decade.I agree about that. I think in some absolute terms yes, but I still see America as the Star Trek of countries. America will still be cultural center of the world I think. I would like to see China advocate for the non-Western world and force America to become better about it. But I think the UN will always be in NYC and etc. I think it will be interesting the future, kind of like America and Britain, China will be to the USA, but I think America will still retain a more prominent role, because the American empire won't be usurped as easily, because America usurped Britain as the head of West, whereas China usurping America in the same way, would be usurping the West as a whole, which I think will be a much longer process. China will not get the world to ditch English for Mandarin overnight(if ever.)
>No, China and the US are similar in many places, with bureaucratic, rigid, corrupt, and stratification that are exclusive to major powers. In the corners where no one sees it, there also exists' The other China ', according to Michael Harrington, filled with remnants of feudal and pre-modern times.Yeah I don't doubt it. My personal opinion is no one knows what the fuck is going on in China, especially if you don't speak Mandarin at a native level. Even then who knows. It's very opaque, which is why I never try to pontificate on it in any kind of detail.
>Yes, the political environment between us is quite stable. Even if faced with an idiot like Trump, these two countries will not easily collapse.The US will never 'collapse.'
>No, most Chinese people are extremely eager for a war against Japan. Fortunately, our ruling party prefers peace, for unknown reasons.Are you retarded? Your ass would get nuked off the planet. That's the fuck why your ruling class doesn't want it. Jesus Christ, is the average Chinese citizen that unaware of the world situation?
<No, Chinese society is not that stable either. Here are the major social events that have caused public critism in the past month:Sounds like a bunch of stupid tabloidesque shit that really doesn't matter.
>Of course, we will find that the above three things are negligible in the United States, but they have all sparked significant public opinion in China.Talk is cheap.
>Yes, 'Mai 68' may be the only viable option for both countries. Although the "October Revolution" and the "Meiji Restoration" were impossible, society was not so indestructible.The world is leaps and bounds different from the early 1900s in so many many respects. No comparisons are relevant anymore. Also Russia and China were the backwards shitholes of their times even. You're trying to compare the backwards shitholes of the early 1900s with the unchallenged superpowers of the 2000s.
>What we need is to gather the majority of people and 'make more friends and fewer enemies', according to Mao.Yeah sure.
>PS: Surprisingly, why don't you have a DESCENT ORGANASATION in the USA?!! It's illegal and dangerous in China. But it's safe in the USA! Leftists do worse than SCP Foundation!Because there is no popular support. The majority of people do not favor it. It's that shrimple.
>>2431818I mean, I can't tell, are you a liberal of some kind who wants a passport to the West, or are you a fake account?
The fact is, Xi's policy is to redefine democracy as what actually exists in China, i.e, some level of consultative democracy and for the people governance.
I just got back arguing with Western AI, mind you, so you seem awfully naive, since electoralism is pretty discredited and a substantial portion of people here are MLs who prefer vanguard party rule.
>>2432873>since electoralism is pretty discreditedI prefer tyranny of majority to tyranny of minority. And the worst situation of electoralism is return the situation of the present, about autocracy and tyranny, isn't it? Then why shall we take a attempt?
Yeah, electoralism is discredited, but still better than fascism.
There're enough socialism country ruled by a vanguard parties, while most of them degenerated and autocracized. The history is my best evidence. It's impossible to make sure the party do serve the public, without a system to limit it and supervise it. And the system is democracy, however it is achieved - Sovietism, Syndicalism or Maoism(achieve it by the cultural revolution). We may all agree that our words do work to the government, don't we?
>are you a liberal of some kind who wants a passport to the WestThanks, but I love my motherland, though there're so many problems here.
>some level of consultative democracy and for the people governanceWhat level? Where's the China you mentioned on the map? I would like to immigrate there right away.
>>2432755>Sounds like a bunch of stupid tabloidesque shit that really doesn't matter.They are negligible in the USA, but innovative in China already.
>Talk is cheap.You can talk freely in your land, at least to some degree. But it's precious for my people to talk at the risk of the jail.
>>2433261That's the precise liberal myth. What is the public?
The liberal conceptions is that there's the state and then there's the people.
The Anarchist-ML line is that there's political elites, economic elites, social elites, and so on.
It's like looking at NYC from a few kilometers away, it looks like a pretty skyline, until you get close and realize it's filled with garbage and dog shit.
The question comes down to, essentially, are you an opportunist or a dissident personality? There is in fact a social class which would benefit from overturning the Chinese situation.
The present situation in China is an alliance between political elites and the masses, because the masses are triangulated and know the moment the political elites are gone, they're full victims to economic elites.
It's not even tyranny of the majority vs tyranny of the minority, but how elites rule.
Western democratic systems are ultimately about manufacturing consent; it may seem strange to you, but out here we have powerful religions, which offer differing creeds and whose fundamental basis is misleading people to provide capital and political support.
What you are favoring isn't even democracy, because China is democratic, but electoralism. In an electoral system, the ability to convince and mislead others is known as power. It's been demonstrated well by liberal countries, either you view Trump as legitimate or you view democracy as fake, either way, a self-contradiction.
That is the main difference between electoral / bourgeois democracy and China; one rules through the world's most sophisticated propaganda and indoctrination mechanism, the other through MPS, MSS, the SOEs, and the schools.
>>2433575I mean Leftypol is Glowiepol. What's surprising?
Either two possibilities exist, one, this is an act of a state or non-state subversion entity, practicing lines and attempts to distance the Western left from the Chinese left. Two, this is some baizuo in China proper spewing crap they haven't thought through.
Once again, the true Communism is CIA, blah blah blah.
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