As a Chinese citizen, I have noticed that there is surprisingly little discussion about China on leftypol. I would like to remove some of your filters on China and express some of my own opinions:
Yes, China's society is undoubtedly superior to the United States and is about to become the world's number one in a decade.
Yes, the average living standard of the Chinese people is higher than that of the US, but not much higher.
No, China and the US are similar in many places, with bureaucratic, rigid, corrupt, and stratification that are exclusive to major powers. In the corners where no one sees it, there also exists' The other China ', according to Michael Harrington, filled with remnants of feudal and pre-modern times.
Yes, the political environment between us is quite stable. Even if faced with an idiot like Trump, these two countries will not easily collapse.
No, most Chinese people are extremely eager for a war against Japan. Fortunately, our ruling party prefers peace, for unknown reasons.
No, Chinese society is not that stable either. Here are the major social events that have caused public critism in the past month:
1. Wuhan University Accusation Gate
Yang is suspected of academic misconduct, false accusations, and has been publicly protected by the government, which is considered gender discrimination against the male.
2. Jiutai Pilot Recruitment Gate
Jilin Province has recruited the only pilot who has strabismus, which is considered an improper use of relationships.
3. Jiangyou Bullying Gate
14-year-old female student in Jiangyou was bullied. The police not only failed to protect, but also began to bully the relevant masses, which was compared to the "Gwangju Incident" on the internet and triggered a large-scale mass demonstration.
Of course, we will find that the above three things are negligible in the United States, but they have all sparked significant public opinion in China.
Yes, 'Mai 68' may be the only viable option for both countries. Although the "October Revolution" and the "Meiji Restoration" were impossible, society was not so indestructible.
What we need is to gather the majority of people and 'make more friends and fewer enemies', according to Mao.
PS: Surprisingly, why don't you have a DESCENT ORGANASATION in the USA?!! It's illegal and dangerous in China. But it's safe in the USA! Leftists do worse than SCP Foundation!
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The mention of "Mai 68", aims to stress the importance of "courage". The system is stable, but not indestructible.
By the way, I can hardly see your(leftists', except the dems') actions on the Internet, except continuous argument and RPG(the same to us Chinese leftists). May I get some examples from you?
>>2423093First I want to say that I am from Europe, not the US or from China, so I might be wrong. But I honestly believe your view of the US is too positive.
But hey let's judge for yourself.
Some news from august
>Trump fires the chief of the bureau of labor statistics, because he's unhappy with the bad job growth they're reporting.>A lot of the connections between Trump and Jefferey Epstein resurfaced>The Republicans in the state of Texas issued arrest warrants for the Texas Democrats, because the Texas Dems didn't want to vote for a bill that would redraw the voting districts.>The Us government introduced a policy that would bar disaster-preparedness funds from states / cities if they were to boycott Israel. This policy was undone a few days later, though.>CNN (one of the mayor American news channels) had some controversy because they interviewed an AI of a dead school shooting victim>there was a flood in Taxes that killed 135 people. The US government got a lot of criticism because they happened to cut the funding for weather services relatively recently.>Colombia university expelled some of the pro-Palestine protestors.These are just some news stories from the last month.
>By the way, I can hardly see your(leftists', except the dems') actions on the Internet, except continuous argument and RPG(the same to us Chinese leftists). May I get some examples from you?In terms of active protests, I think there are still pro-Palestine protests. There are also still anti-Ice protests.
I don't know if this is well-known in china, but 2 months ago trump used the National Guard against the anti-ICE protesters
https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2025/6/8/trump-deploys-national-guard-against-anti-ice-protests-in-laThere was also a CEO that got shot a few weeks ago
https://subscriber.politicopro.com/article/2025/07/blackstone-exec-killed-nyc-shooting-00481573 >>2423405 (me)
>Colombia university*Columbia University
>>2423405Thank you for your reply. Affirmatively, as Chinese, I am too ignorant about the situation in the US. Actually, the examples you list, do NOT belong to leftism in China. I used to regard them as anti-establishment.
Pro-Palestine is usual and normal among Chinese, as the protection of basic humanity, instead of leftism values(like equality). (Interestingly, the invasion to Ukrain is considered as “recapture”. However, public tends to Ukrain as well, as time goes by.)
Anti-ICE is considered as the conflict between the state and the federation. As we know, dem stand for the state for so long, but after Trump got its power, their position get a reverse.(lol), which didn't get wide report by the official, due to the potential risk of provocation(the fear of another in China). And no one mention ICE.
I am sorry for the cultural difference.
Well, the news you list prove and falsify my view at the same time.
> The system is stable, but not indestructible.But I hold a firm belief that there are worse situation than the present in history. But the system didn't change for a inch.
Alright, to speak of Maoism again, though I'm not a Maoist. Mao used to critisize both of "defeatism" and "adventurism"(速胜论与亡国论), and present "protractism"(持久战), to stress the time will stand on our side, during the 2nd sino-jap war.
That's what I mean by "The system is stable, but not indestructible."
>>2423405Luigi Nicholas Mangione and Aaron Bushnell are heroes in our hearts.
As some netizen say:
"Guns are ubiquitous in the US, but only Luigi get the usage."
We, Chinese(not including me. I knew americans are reactionary) are quite surprised by the conflict in Califonia - that doesn't arise a revolution? All people have guns but no one use them? What do you mean that mexicans are waving their national flag in LA and hit the police car by wooden stick? Where are their godamn guns?
Our official textbook even encourage the actions of revolution. So no way we can't understand that.
>>2423490？
对了，现在我这里的北京时间是八点半，傍晚。你们那儿现在应该是早上，甚至刚刚日出。
说实话，Cracker这个词我用Bing搜索了半天才明白是什么意思。
不过，谢谢你的夸奖，这应该是对我英语水平的认可（只要不是说我文化水平和美国人一样就行，他们确实煞笔）。
By the way, the current Beijing time here is 20:30, in the evening. It should be morning there now, even just after sunrise.
To be honest, I Bing it for half a day before understanding what the word 'Cracker' means.
However, thank you for your appreciation. This should be a recognition of my English level (as long as it is not that my autism score is the same as that of Americans, they are really retard).
>>2423093>As a Chinese citizenOh joy. Never say this exact line again.
>Yes, China's society is undoubtedly superior to the United States and is about to become the world's number one in a decade.>Yes, the average living standard of the Chinese people is higher than that of the US, but not much higher.Some more elaboration and specifics would be lovely here.
>No, China and the US are similar in many places, with bureaucratic, rigid, corrupt, and stratification that are exclusive to major powers. In the corners where no one sees it, there also exists' The other China ', according to Michael Harrington, filled with remnants of feudal and pre-modern timesMore specific details please
>Surprisingly, why don't you have a DESCENT ORGANASATION in the USA?!!Because of FBi infiltration and events such as the red scare.
>It's illegal and dangerous in China. But it's safe in the USA! Leftists do worse than SCP Foundation!
>But it's safe in the USA!Nonononononono. The law is not to be taken too literally here. It is very dangerous to form an organization in the USA. The red scare made certain of that, and they’ve made extensive use of the patriot act as well. Still have laws directly against it’s formation being made to this day as well, such as the Crucial Communism Teaching Act. Infiltration, political sabotage, and even assassination of individuals and organizations are still existent threats. They never stopped with Fred Hampton. And they’ve done so much to prevent the formation of them as well. Malicious designs and manipulation on a grand scale. The very roads are hostile to the worker, and they made the police force ever more into a full fledged militaristic occupier. Everything has gotten evermore expensive, and public third spaces have dwindled intensely, so it’s much harder for meet ups. They fucked up bad on the internet though, despite their history of intensive spying and subterfuge. Now they’re trying to lock that down too.
>Leftists do worse than SCP Foundation!SCP Foundation has extradimensional objects and anomalies to work with, along with the luck of having been able to keep inertia after several decades.
>>2423554>Yes, China's society is undoubtedly superior to the United States and is about to become the world's number one in a decade.>Yes, the average living standard of the Chinese people is higher than that of the US, but not much higher.>No, China and the US are similar in many places, with bureaucratic, rigid, corrupt, and stratification that are exclusive to major powers. In the corners where no one sees it, there also exists' The other China ', according to Michael Harrington, filled with remnants of feudal and pre-modern timesI thought these were self-evident consensus.
There is no deep government or complex community of interests in China (such as military industrial complexes, medical groups, etc.). Private monopolies are strictly restricted (although the left is still dissatisfied, a slight comparison reveals that China's situation is far better than that of the West).
The Chinese government is committed to solving poverty, and currently there are no absolute poor people in China (according to official statistics). The Chinese government is carrying out large-scale infrastructure construction in every village and town to ensure the complete popularization of high-quality water and electricity.
Environmental protection is no longer a problem, and the Chinese government has handled it surprisingly well. Nowadays, the leaders of Shanghai, the largest city in China, have gained such tremendous power through environmental protection.
The main social contradictions in China are concentrated in:
1. Gender inequality. LGBT individuals are discriminated against. Men are ignored. Women are underestimated. No one is satisfied, to the point where netizens once joked, 'The essence of all problems is gender conflict,' as a mockery of 'class conflict'.
2. Imperfect legal system. Conviction does not require evidence.
3. Lack of political rights such as news, speech, protests, and marches.
4. Uneven development between urban and rural areas. Yes, this is not allowed in China because our official ideology is communism.
It is almost impossible for the US not to decline after four years of Trump's presidency. Chinese politician(沈逸, his name) once joked:
“This America is not worth my hard work for years for a PhD”
“Fuck! How can the USA be this way? ”
Though I hate the current system, but I cannot smudge it too. CPC did well, not perfectly though.
>>2423093The current /prc/ thread is here:
>>2412519 There's a few other Chinese anons that post here as well.
>No, most Chinese people are extremely eager for a war against Japan. Fortunately, our ruling party prefers peace, for unknown reasons.The same reason the USSR never went to war in Europe. Because war with Japan means anything from a pointless bloodbath for a bunch of uninhabitable rocks in the ocean to nuclear war, which nobody wins.
>>2423502>We, Chinese(not including me. I knew americans are reactionary) are quite surprised by the conflict in Califonia - that doesn't arise a revolution? All people have guns but no one use them? Most of the people that are armed are right-wing militias that operate with the support of the state.
>>2423618>Gender inequality. LGBT individuals are discriminated against.I'm not saying it's
good there but I've never seen Chinese politicians or media influencers openly describe LGBT+ people as pedophiles and rapists that should be publically executed or sent to psychiatric concentration camps.
>Lack of political rights such as news, speech, protests, and marches.Freedom of speech to do what?
>It is almost impossible for the US not to decline after four years of Trump's presidency.Trump was the inevitable outcome of decades of rot.
>>2423093>Surprisingly, why don't you have a DESCENT ORGANASATION in the USA?!! It's illegal and dangerous in China. But it's safe in the USA! Leftists do worse than SCP Foundation!Technological advances, mass immigration, and increased expectations have demolished the power of US labor movements. Technological advances mean that fewer workers are needed for relatively low-skilled labor. Immigration means that the low-skilled labor that does exist largely goes to illegal immigrants who work cheaply, meanwhile white collar workers are always in potential danger of being replaced by H1B visa holders and so on. Increased expectations mean that many Americans would think that working factory jobs is beneath them even if factory jobs were available.
Americans are also relatively rich by world standards, which means that while there is a lot of economic desperation among the masses, it is not high enough to inspire most people to engage in activism.
Direct, Luigi-style assassinations mean almost certain death or decades in prison for the perpetrator. The police are much more effective and have much more surveillance technology than they used to. There are cameras everywhere. Only a tiny fraction of the population is willing to throw their lives away for the sake of killing some prominent figure.
Since successful economic leftism seems difficult but there are still many people in the US who harbor leftist-type sentiments, a lot of the left's energy has shifted into cultural leftism.
However, this has backfired, because a lot of the cultural leftism seems either ridiculous or even actually threatening to a large part of the country. Cultural leftists went too far by trying to force people to use others' self-chosen gender pronouns, by inserting unsubtle political dogmas into movies, by being openly racist against white people, by focusing on white people's violence and ignoring or even actively suppressing information about the violence that other races engage in, and so on.
This has produced something of a backlash against the left in general, not just against the culture war left.
>>2423502>We, Chinese(not including me. I knew americans are reactionary) are quite surprised by the conflict in Califonia - that doesn't arise a revolution? All people have guns but no one use them? What do you mean that mexicans are waving their national flag in LA and hit the police car by wooden stick? Where are their godamn guns?People not from the United States sometimes have difficulty understanding American political culture, which is very different and has its own "language." I don't mean the English language but the cultural language. How people relate to their government. Things happen in the U.S., which if they happened in some countries, would be considered much more serious and threatening to the country's stability, like a prelude to regime change. This causes people who are unfamiliar with this culture to consider the U.S. more unstable than it really is.
The main thing is that those people in California waving Mexican flags don't seek to overthrow the U.S. government. They are upset and offended at how they are being treated by the government because of their national origin (and this is a country with many people from immigrant backgrounds) and so they openly confront the government to force it to back down. They reject certain leaders and actions by the government, but they're not rejecting the basic idea that the U.S. is a legitimate arena or system where this kind of politics play out, because it's their "right" to "stand up for themselves" and demand respect and express themselves and "not let them push us around." Many of them have a hybrid identity and will wave both Mexican and U.S. flags, and flags that combine the symbols.
>>2423902>Freedom of speech to do what?Basically anything. It's pretty restrictive in China. But it's not just restrictive, it can be overly-reactive, stupid, and irrational. Like even talking negatively about something that
the government also thinks is bad in certain forums (online) can subject you to censorship because they don't want people talking about it at all. It's like, WTF.
What the OP is saying describes similar things I've heard from Chinese. When you get to know them and talk privately, they express their views more openly and critically. This takes a certain degree of trust. Both the chafing at censorship in China and the restrictions on private monopolies specifically referring to medical groups (we were talking about opioid addiction in the U.S. and the role of medical business cartels in pushing it) are both things I've heard IRL. Chinese have pretty nuanced and complex views about their government, both good and bad. They're sophisticated and don't tend to think in terms of strict black/white.
On the lack of news, when I was talking to one friend (who was visiting), he was struck by the sight of a local T.V. news reporter doing a story on the street. That was the first T.V. news reporter he had ever seen in his life. They do have them in China but they're not as common. The wild thing is that the story involved fascist vs. antifascist confrontations that had recently occurred (very American!) and I ended up trying to explain what that drama was all about. There were a bunch of police roaming around as well in the aftermath. He was very excited.
>>2424905Thanks!
I love your descriptions about chinese government. As for me(and most people), that is a mother, with strictness and care
Here's a joke I was impressed by:
One poor granny is worried about the fee for medical operation, so she decides to give it up to save more for her son. But her son doesn't agree. When the mum takes all of her money to the Payment Bar. The clerk tells her the medical care pay for her. She only needs to pay 7000￥($1000).
Then the granny bursts to tears and cry in the hall. The guard regards it as “medical dispute profiteer”（医闹 ,an appearance only in China, google yourself）and kicks her out.
Someone commented that, "You are in troubles, our mum's gonna help you. You are making troubles, our mum's gonna spank you. "
Actually, China seldom mentions fascism, due to potential risk of arising public doubts. We call Deutchland Nazi, and Japan militarism. Nationalism is encouraged and limited at the same time by the CPC.
We did have some press before, during Jiang's era(江泽民). We have Southern Metropolis Daily（南方都市报）, the only press dares to stand against the CPC. But now it changed, after Xi's presidency(A FUCKING EMPEROR).
>>2425025afaik we kinda got a greenlight of "not obvious CIA site" a while ago.
anyway as an american living even in a rather nicer spot - people are just fucking stressed to hell since 2020. everyone's just tense and at least one of my online or in-person friends is stressed to the point of having some kind of breakdown every other week.
as a member of a local party we're having trouble even getting people to want to come to our free food events because people stay home to deal with other things - not that they don't want to come but because everyone's just stressing out.
>>2423920I can't agree more.
In fact, few cares about cultural leftism, and most leftist critize it as well(We called it 白左, white-leftism, for doing nothing but PERVERT(not including me)).
Therefore, some called chinese society FAR-RIGHT, for ZERO toleration for LGBT, the coloured, etc.
Almost all leftists in China care about economy more and miss Mao's time.(not including me)
Almost all leftists in China are Maoists.(not including me)
Surprisingly, the brave like Luigi seem to be more in China. Actually, every action leads to the consequence worse than Luigi. Therefore, some think Americans are lack of revolutionary spirit, and sneer that, "Your ideas deserve your suffering"(思配苦, yeah the whole sentence in three words). While in my few, that is because of the large population base.
>>2425032>Actually, every action leads to the consequence worse than Luigi. Therefore, some think Americans are lack of revolutionary spirit, and sneer that, "Your ideas deserve your suffering"(思配苦, yeah the whole sentence in three words). While in my few, that is because of the large population base.the thing is that people don't really understand how political repression works in the US.
People who they're actually worried about just kinda get murdered by the state in ways that they don't really talk about. Usually just not even talked about on the news and in a country that hears about gang violence on the daily it's just another person who got shot in some senseless violence. But they're more than willing to play up every single other issue into a big story, throw people theatrics.
So they let us have our heroes and villains and let us participate in big marches because that's all most people hear about, and it's how it's taught to us in public schools: you do the big march on the government streets and they just kinda have to give in after they realize you're right and everyone's behind you.
>In fact, few cares about cultural leftism, and most leftist critize it as well(We called it 白左, white-leftism, for doing nothing but PERVERT(not including me)).I have met a number of chinese LGBT and other cultural deviants (i get in with international furries) and i have never heard the kind of actual hate i've heard here.
>>2425045> i have never heard the kind of actual hate i've heard hereIt's not hate, but disfavour and alienation.
I support cultural deviants but most don't.
Evidences are hard to be listed. But that's what I see in major social media. You may find it in the disgussion about "Olympics in 2024", etc.
>>2423093>Yes, China's society is undoubtedly superior to the United States and is about to become the world's number one in a decade.只能说互有优劣，不过我觉得得2050左右才能真正意义上超越美国。
>Yes, the average living standard of the Chinese people is higher than that of the US, but not much higher.不，只有中产阶级，穷人和富人都不如同阶层的美国人
>>2423760>Those kids watched anime in class but still would probably be in favor of war with Japan, any explanation?revanchist
You can also think of it as China's political correctness.
>>2423104(澳大利亚)
>By the way, I can hardly see your(leftists', except the dems') actions on the InternetThis is normal. Most leftist actions are not widely visible, or are local small actions. I thought there was very little happening in my country until I joined the movement on the ground. Most of the people you see on the Internet are those who aren't very involved in real life, we call these people the Online Left. But also, I worry that as an overall collective, socialists just aren't doing well at spreading awareness of ourselves - most people only see it if they go looking for it.
Do you consider worker's union actions to be leftist? Pro-Palestine rallies? Anti-ICE protests in the USA? Community antifascism is also happening widely, exposing and blocking neo-Nazis and other extreme reactionaries.
>>2423482>Pro-Palestine is usual and normal among Chinese, as the protection of basic humanity, instead of leftism values(like equality). (Interestingly, the invasion to Ukrain is considered as “recapture”. However, public tends to Ukrain as well, as time goes by.)Interesting to hear the perspective of regular Chinese people. While I guessed that pro-Palestine is usual and normal in China, it took years for it to become as popular here.
I wonder how much of the different perspective here is caused by pro-Israel bias of the loudest news sources (and government), or if there are other reasons.
You mentioned 'recapture'. From the mainstream Western perspective, the united news voice for the first months was was that Hamas started the conflict on October 7th, massacring a thousand citizens and taking hostages, with claims of rape. This created the impression to normal people that Hamas (Palestine) was the aggressor, there is an false implication that the situation in Palestine was somewhat peaceful or fair before Oct 7, or that they should have tried a more peaceful or precise solution (ha!).
Similarly with Ukraine, our media focuses on Russia being the aggressor in Crimea and then later the rest of Ukraine.
And same with Hong Kong and Taiwan, our media treats this as Chinese aggression against a peaceful independent state, rather than seeing recapture as justified.
Same with North Korea in the Korean War, same with Vietnam in the Vietnam War. They ignore the aggression and oppression of the Souths. "Our allies are always the victim, they keep getting invaded for no reason!!"
>>2426099>Its like trying to redeem Nazi Germany just fucking drop the positive opinion. Okay but the idea of annihilating
Germany is crazy though.
>But AMERICA in general is a DEMONIC country.This is irrational, superstitious flim-flam. I hate to say it.
>>2426010I never heard that from media, and guess most else neither.
Actually, China rufuses to interfere anything, at least I do think so.
Many say that CPC is the dovest in China, and I believe it's hardly exaggeration.
>>2426029？
No, Japan isn't. I don't want another Greater East Asia Coprosperity Sphere（大东亚共荣圈）, even if my motherland is the master. I want peace and love.
The intention for a war is more for revenge and enmity instead of interest.
I guess you mean Ryukyu or Okinawa（琉球或冲绳）.China did occupy it, but the people there prefer independence than another master instead of Japan.
>>2426114？？？？？？？？
No way there're ones believe in Juche. At least I am not ready be a slave yet.
North Korea is a state owned by the Emperor, with nothing relavant to Socialism. I prefer livng in the Stone Age than in the North Korea.
The USA used to be the statue of liberty and the home of democracy. I believe it'll the pilot one day, again.
>>2425928> So you're saying the party disregards the will of the peopleIs that a secret?
>>2425561The situation out of the GFW is usually exaggerated. (Though undervalued inside as well)
>>2425980《铁西区》 is a documentary about the past, the sad event after the reform of Deng（改革开放, reform & opening-up）, named "the wave of laid off"（大下岗）, about the decline of the Northeast of China, the Rust Belt.
>>2425939其实用翻译软件时忘记把台湾放进去了，因为竟然会被自动屏蔽（怒）。
确实都不容易，人人都没处说理，本质上还是法制的不完善
>>24259412050还是太悲观了，入关都能入赢了。美国的穷人是真穷人，真的是无家可归 0个人在意的。我们最穷的那些，农村老人，哪怕一个月就100养老金，不至于暴死在街上。富人肯定没对面资本主义玩得花，要不然个个往美利坚跑呢。
>>2425019> We did have some press before, during Jiang's era(江泽民). We have Southern Metropolis Daily（南方都市报）, the only press dares to stand against the CPC. But now it changed, after Xi's presidency(A FUCKING EMPEROR).From what point of view did they attack the party? Over what?🤔
I mean: from a leftward angle or a rightward angle?
>>2426395For supervision by public opinion, the right written in the constitution but non-existent pratically.
Or rather for liberty and democracy, a right value(at least most consider them as rightist in China)
>>2426374Liuqiu was a dual Sino-Japanese protectorate used by Satsuma to evade Chinese trade bans.
The problem for me, is that anti-CPC sentiment at the present stage of development devolves into either Western internationalism, or nationalist fascism. Either you accept Western values, and become either America's bitch (this is their effective foreign policy, consider Europe, both before and after Ukraine, and Japan, whose economy was nuked by Plaza) or reconstitute the liberal imperialist system with a new master, or you support a gross fascist nationalism.
The CPC has effectively triangulated everyone, the left itself might have influence, but it'll either get crushed by fascists in a post-Communist country or subverted by liberals. Stand behind Xi or get fucked.
>>2426461The only reason socdem states fail is because they lose elections and then some neolibtarded
>muh free marketrightoids get into power and privatize and fuck up the entire country and the country never recovers from that process and dies a slow death.
Reagan - America
Thatcher - Britain
Mulroney - Canada
etc.
It's a double whammy because the newly privatized industries form a new home grown comprador natbourg which then solidifies its hold by buying out all politicians and then the country is locked into a doom cycle because no one who takes office is interested in re-nationalization since the entire government got captured.
>>2423792what is this glowie nonce-sense…
https://www.demdigest.org/china-vs-democracy-the-greatest-game/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_International_Security_Forum>HFX originated from the Halifax International Security Forum, which was founded in 2009 as a program within the German Marshall Fund of the United States.<Founded in 1972, through a gift from the West German government on the 25th anniversary of the Marshall Plan<"14 search results for 'Israel'"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Marshall_Fundthe Zion-nazi NWO is harm reduction, right woke anarchists?
Well, you get points for SCP Foundation
>>2423141Salve
I spent most of my life around [redacted] (central/eastern europe)
Things will get worse before they get better.
That is all that can be said (positively) about EU and other US vassals.
>>2423093>surprisingly little discussion about China on leftypolThat is not my experience. The anti-China faction cannot help itself inserting their obsession or special interest into everything.
One would assume they do not have enough problems themselves, they must look to the east to find something to harshly critique. This is not so, being somewhat familiar with the situation in US, in fact the opposite is true.
As to the meat of the argument. Yes, the emperor is far away. Same as it's ever been.
>prefers peace, for unknown reasonsis that a really big mystery?
>above three things are negligible in the United States, but they have all sparked significant public opinion in China.Bullying negligible in US? Also news to me.
>>2427778Well, in that case it's incorrect as well.
There is no such thing as a politically negligible issue in the first place. Remember the Satanic panic or any news on violent bideo gaymes.
>>2427842This is nationalist gusano BS. Part of the KMT / FLG platform is naked nationalism, which promotes uncritical glorification of Chinese history, you know, when China conducted both the Dzunghar and Jie (Ran Min) genocides.
Basically, the CPC relies on Lu Xun and Ba Jin, which is based on a dialectical understanding of traditional Chinese culture, seeing both positives (state service, proto-dialectics, proto-humanism, and serve the people) and negatives (feudal oppression, Confucian patriarchy, genocide and despotism).
As I understand, both the CIA and various subversion organizations push ultranationalism, probably knowing fully that if it does break the CPC, they will get Nazi Germany with Chinese characteristics and industrial capability.
@Captaincool07
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One of my subscribers is from a real KMT family , and his entire family has deep roots in the party. His family members worked inside the TW government. In the 1970s, one of them worked in the cabinet of Kai Shek. And One of them is a low level representative. This subscriber followed my channel for many years, and befriended me when I used to be more active on social media. Over time, I got to know him personally.
A few years ago, his uncle went to Mainland China to work with state-owned enterprises, and he himself went to Beijing to study law. At the time, they were both pro-CCP — just like I was. We genuinely believed in the vision China ccp presented. So I lost touch with him when he left.
Then out of nowhere he message me and told me that his uncle got involved doing business with Chinese SOEs and they began interacting directly with provincial level CCP officials. What they saw up close was corruption, hypocrisy, and a system built on exploitation. Workers are abused and money often goes missing or stolen. There is 0 accountability. The CCP elites basically operates like a red aristocracy — a privileged elite class that takes advantage of ordinary people while hiding behind revolutionary slogans. So this subscriber was the one who opened my eyes and convinced me to step away after a few hours of chatting with him on phone.
The CCP uses dialectical thinking and finds contridictions in life, not to seek truth, but to justify contradictions and betrayals to maintain power. They allow for ambiguity, and calculated opportunism — all to achieve long-term goals. Socialism with Chinese characteritics, reform and market economy, "socialist Market economy" is part of this dialectical thinking
This ideological flexibility makes them seem pragmatic on the surface, but in reality, it enables them to turn on their own supporters. From the revolutionaries of the 1950s to the entrepreneurs of the 2000s, and even their own officials during “anti-corruption” campaigns — no one is safe once they outlive their usefulness.
The CCP are masters of the bait-and-switch. They flatter and use other people to rise, then discard them without hesitation once they have no more usefulness. Their entire history is filled with examples of this cycle. Today, with total control over information inside China, they can suppress dissent, flood the internet with state propaganda, and silence anyone who dares to speak out. So if you work for them — when the wind changes and you fall out of favor — who are you going to turn to for help? You are cooked. It is like working for the italian mafia.
I went as far as i could and realized that it was a poisoned wine and stopped drinking it.
Lots of Chinese people, self proclaimed Communist and Marxists outside of China , my self included, are absolutely foolish for believing in ccp. Many defend the party out of anti-Western sentiment or loyalty thinking they are trying to help China, without truly understanding the nature of what is being practiced in China and who is really the one in charge. Dont believe in them anymore.
I was pro-ccp and built my channel arouond that for 10 years. But i saw the manipulation and hypocrisy and change my mind. I don't care if i piss all my subscribers off.
>>2427842You know China better than a real Chinese.
You know what Chinese cultrue all about after the edit of so many dynasties and emperors? They've brainwashed us for millennia, which is why we fell behind than you the western, and got colonized by you.
Communism save us from feudalism and monarchy, though the CPC at this moment have deviate from it.
>>2427850Democracy exists only in theory.
That is not a secret.
>>2429136The CPC is imperfect exactly, but I'm afraid most organisation do much worse than it.
“民意难过长安街。”
Nobody get heard in China, never.
I hope for a change.
>>2429136>There is 0 accountability. <it enables them to turn on their own supporters.<and even their own officials during “anti-corruption” campaignsSo the state is corrupt and bad and self-interested but the state also launches anti corruption purges against its own people.
Fucking moron.
>>2429415我们有九年义务教育的哥，哪怕本科学历都强制要求英语四级的。"However" & "To be honest"后面要逗号是常识，在高考语法填空那甚至是考点（区分“but”和“however”）
再说了，不过和然而，在中文里不也是停顿的吗？
You do need study(or learn) Chinese harder bro.
Do not forget your mother tongue.
>>2429422That's why I can visit it without a VPN.
By the way, weibo is not a search engine, but a media for public figure(like idols and stars, etc), mainly for the female.
A lot of men don't have one on their mobile phone. (Including me)
>>2431210This is the sort of retarded shit you believe when you unironically get all your understanding from other online leftists
No polity fights wars over “ideology”, not really, especially not capitalist polities. These countries do not give a fuck how “free market” your national economy is if your firms become substantially competitive with the West. The state doesn’t exist to secure any particular ideological stance or policy, it exists to secure the needs of the total national capital in the country.
>>2431374Democracy, aka “民主”, literaly "people"+"dominate", means the system of people, by people, for people(aka 民有、民治、民享)
Now the current government by the CPC, declares that, China's got democracy, so-called all-progress democracy(全过程人民民主), as a competitor to the democracy featured votes of the western.
Well, in my view, as well as most Chinese, that is a absolute LIE, which is not a secret.
But to be honese, actually we never had got democracy all over the history(except in Taiwan). So I don't mind ony year longer. And the system of the USA… That is NOT democracy.
Our government do not hear what the people sing.
Democracy, as well as liberty, at this moment, in my land, is often regarded as the sympol of resistence, which invites suppressions from the CPC.
I don't want to prove that I'm not from the CIA or the FBI any more. I believe those information will not be got so easily without living in China.
>>2431272Goddamn I don't care so petite islands.
We can invade Vietnam and Myanmar which are richer. And Taiwan hasn't been liberated yet.
And what about east Siberia and south tibet? With Vladivostok, the northeast will get much richer!
And by now, Mongolia and Vietnam are still provoking, and trying to simping America.
There's so much land to be integrated. And China can I believe. Well, I am a socialist so I hate wars. But the world had better thank the CPC for peace.
>>2431827Simping means to simp like a boy to chasing a lovely girl.
In Chinese, that is "舔", I search for so long to find it.
>>2431830I guess you're pretending.
I can't imagine a Chinese learner or AI or machine can ouput in this way.
Bcz I can't understand a word of you.
>>2431930It's the dialect I learnt as a child, I don't speak ?putonghua? But I am trying to learn.
I'm surprised you didn't get, 中国大人, since it literally just means chinese ummm ?fa? ritualists/literati/officials in classical chinese, and should be legible though stupid and silly as Chinese Adult, which was the joke; I'm assuming your not an official?
>>2431935Dialect? Alright, now I understand why you speak in this weird way. In fact, many dialects do replace 不 with 无, including mine.
Word by word translation:
Chinese Big Man(or adult/sir), American No Heart. No Ambition No Read(?), American, Not Clear(or Ming the Dynasty), Not Big Qing.
So what do you mean by list two dynasties? Is that only two words you remember? That is fantastique.
Anyway, your chinese is fantastique. Chinese culture and history is beautiful and amazing. I'm looking forward to your progress!
But it might not be a good idea to learn dialects from you grandchildren.
你祖籍是福建或广东吗？我是泉州人，说不定我们其实是老乡了。
尽管我们只是素未谋面的陌生人——祝你幸福！
>>2432055Not clear is literal meaning and no Ming is allusion not 大秦, not even big qin, 大秦 also means roman empire in old records
Thank you for the effort to read it, how would I say in proper chinese?
>>2423093>As a Chinese citizen, I have noticed that there is surprisingly little discussion about China on leftypol. I would like to remove some of your filters on China and express some of my own opinions:There is a fuckload. I take it you haven't used this board long. We have had much struggle containing the endless "China isn't communist threads" into the China general. It used to be every retard got it into his head this was a novel idea, never before shared with leftypol, and would make a thread like every other day. Shit a thread has nothing to do with China to become an endless debate about that. It still happens to this day, but maybe it has lessened.
>Yes, China's society is undoubtedly superior to the United States In some ways perhaps.
>and is about to become the world's number one in a decade.I agree about that. I think in some absolute terms yes, but I still see America as the Star Trek of countries. America will still be cultural center of the world I think. I would like to see China advocate for the non-Western world and force America to become better about it. But I think the UN will always be in NYC and etc. I think it will be interesting the future, kind of like America and Britain, China will be to the USA, but I think America will still retain a more prominent role, because the American empire won't be usurped as easily, because America usurped Britain as the head of West, whereas China usurping America in the same way, would be usurping the West as a whole, which I think will be a much longer process. China will not get the world to ditch English for Mandarin overnight(if ever.)
>No, China and the US are similar in many places, with bureaucratic, rigid, corrupt, and stratification that are exclusive to major powers. In the corners where no one sees it, there also exists' The other China ', according to Michael Harrington, filled with remnants of feudal and pre-modern times.Yeah I don't doubt it. My personal opinion is no one knows what the fuck is going on in China, especially if you don't speak Mandarin at a native level. Even then who knows. It's very opaque, which is why I never try to pontificate on it in any kind of detail.
>Yes, the political environment between us is quite stable. Even if faced with an idiot like Trump, these two countries will not easily collapse.The US will never 'collapse.'
>No, most Chinese people are extremely eager for a war against Japan. Fortunately, our ruling party prefers peace, for unknown reasons.Are you retarded? Your ass would get nuked off the planet. That's the fuck why your ruling class doesn't want it. Jesus Christ, is the average Chinese citizen that unaware of the world situation?
<No, Chinese society is not that stable either. Here are the major social events that have caused public critism in the past month:Sounds like a bunch of stupid tabloidesque shit that really doesn't matter.
>Of course, we will find that the above three things are negligible in the United States, but they have all sparked significant public opinion in China.Talk is cheap.
>Yes, 'Mai 68' may be the only viable option for both countries. Although the "October Revolution" and the "Meiji Restoration" were impossible, society was not so indestructible.The world is leaps and bounds different from the early 1900s in so many many respects. No comparisons are relevant anymore. Also Russia and China were the backwards shitholes of their times even. You're trying to compare the backwards shitholes of the early 1900s with the unchallenged superpowers of the 2000s.
>What we need is to gather the majority of people and 'make more friends and fewer enemies', according to Mao.Yeah sure.
>PS: Surprisingly, why don't you have a DESCENT ORGANASATION in the USA?!! It's illegal and dangerous in China. But it's safe in the USA! Leftists do worse than SCP Foundation!Because there is no popular support. The majority of people do not favor it. It's that shrimple.
>>2431818I mean, I can't tell, are you a liberal of some kind who wants a passport to the West, or are you a fake account?
The fact is, Xi's policy is to redefine democracy as what actually exists in China, i.e, some level of consultative democracy and for the people governance.
I just got back arguing with Western AI, mind you, so you seem awfully naive, since electoralism is pretty discredited and a substantial portion of people here are MLs who prefer vanguard party rule.
>>2432873>since electoralism is pretty discreditedI prefer tyranny of majority to tyranny of minority. And the worst situation of electoralism is return the situation of the present, about autocracy and tyranny, isn't it? Then why shall we take a attempt?
Yeah, electoralism is discredited, but still better than fascism.
There're enough socialism country ruled by a vanguard parties, while most of them degenerated and autocracized. The history is my best evidence. It's impossible to make sure the party do serve the public, without a system to limit it and supervise it. And the system is democracy, however it is achieved - Sovietism, Syndicalism or Maoism(achieve it by the cultural revolution). We may all agree that our words do work to the government, don't we?
>are you a liberal of some kind who wants a passport to the WestThanks, but I love my motherland, though there're so many problems here.
>some level of consultative democracy and for the people governanceWhat level? Where's the China you mentioned on the map? I would like to immigrate there right away.
>>2432755>Sounds like a bunch of stupid tabloidesque shit that really doesn't matter.They are negligible in the USA, but innovative in China already.
>Talk is cheap.You can talk freely in your land, at least to some degree. But it's precious for my people to talk at the risk of the jail.
>>2433261That's the precise liberal myth. What is the public?
The liberal conceptions is that there's the state and then there's the people.
The Anarchist-ML line is that there's political elites, economic elites, social elites, and so on.
It's like looking at NYC from a few kilometers away, it looks like a pretty skyline, until you get close and realize it's filled with garbage and dog shit.
The question comes down to, essentially, are you an opportunist or a dissident personality? There is in fact a social class which would benefit from overturning the Chinese situation.
The present situation in China is an alliance between political elites and the masses, because the masses are triangulated and know the moment the political elites are gone, they're full victims to economic elites.
It's not even tyranny of the majority vs tyranny of the minority, but how elites rule.
Western democratic systems are ultimately about manufacturing consent; it may seem strange to you, but out here we have powerful religions, which offer differing creeds and whose fundamental basis is misleading people to provide capital and political support.
What you are favoring isn't even democracy, because China is democratic, but electoralism. In an electoral system, the ability to convince and mislead others is known as power. It's been demonstrated well by liberal countries, either you view Trump as legitimate or you view democracy as fake, either way, a self-contradiction.
That is the main difference between electoral / bourgeois democracy and China; one rules through the world's most sophisticated propaganda and indoctrination mechanism, the other through MPS, MSS, the SOEs, and the schools.
>>2433575I mean Leftypol is Glowiepol. What's surprising?
Either two possibilities exist, one, this is an act of a state or non-state subversion entity, practicing lines and attempts to distance the Western left from the Chinese left. Two, this is some baizuo in China proper spewing crap they haven't thought through.
Once again, the true Communism is CIA, blah blah blah.
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