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>>2426074
>Homo sapiens appeared in Iran 100,000 years ago
nah they appeared in Africa 200,000 years ago

>>2425985
that was literally made as satire of schizoposters

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>>2426059
you are bourgeois for having computer .
i am bourgeois for having computer.
we are all bourgeois for having computer.
we should all be killed by cobalt miners for having computer.
phone is computer btw
computer is means of production btw

>>2426103
Do you own a cellular tower? Do you own the software inside your phone? I severely doubt you own Android OS, iOS or whatever.

>>2426103
>computer is means of production btw

No it isn't, means of production are things like factories, land, resources, energy. Having a computer doesn't make you bourgeois.

And this retard >>2426059 is a typical (Western) third worldist; basically treating the third world as noble savages just to have an excuse to not actually work to try and make socialism succeed in the first world.

>>2426065
tbqfh, fam. you can't correctly organize without this >>2426026 theory.

>>2426106
Also I want to point out cloud services like Gmail

>>2426107
anon, it was obviously a facetious post.

>>2426080
> I fully expect the ruling class to kill off the mass of people as they try to transition to some sort of technofascism.
ok but then who will they sell commodities to? it makes no sense to use technology to increase the amounts of commodities we can produce if the people who are supposed to buy them can't afford them or are dead. In past eras crises of overproduction lead to the deliberate destruction of the productive forces, not of the proletariat. The bourgeoisie needs the proletariat to exist for them to maintain their power. Why would the bourgeoisie kill off all the proles? Also they need a large reserve army of labor so it is more likely the technologically unemployed would just become dependents of the employed. Either way the class contradictions heighten. I don't see a society where only the bourgeoisie and their slave machines exist being really possible.

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>>2426106
>>2426110
what are you saying? proprietary software is proletarian?

>>2426117
the bourgs will directly produce commodities for themselves in communism for the rich

>>2426120
>the bourgs
exist in relation to the proletariat. without a proletariat they are no longer bourgeois
>in communism
there are no bourgeoisie in communism
>for the rich
being rich is relative to whoever is poor. if there are no poor people left, there are no rich people left.

>>2423801
> when have US vassals significantly acted in a way that advances their own self-interest in a significant way, and not just chosen to advance the interest of their own comprador bourgeoise
canada went against the US in the 1950s and exported food to China after Mao won the civil war depsite the US wanting to starve out the young PRC with sanctions.

Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.

>>2426129
more hotline miami levels unlocked

>>2426121
>bourgs are relational BY DEFINITION
notice how people still keep calling them proles after a socialist revolution happens

>>2425767
Ths elephant in the room for a Mexican invasion that at minimum a majority of Mexican Americans will side with Mexico and would have mass riots across the Southwest that would destabilize the US and end up polarizing an already polarized society.

>>2426107
The computer was converted from surplus-value therefore the first-world computer owner is bourgeois. Stop your imperialist lies

>>2426131
you said under communism. socialism and communism are two different things. socialism is the post-revolutionary transition to communism in which class contradictions have not yet been fully abolished but are in the process of being abolished by the dictatorship of the proletariat which exists to expropriate and declass the disenfranchised but still existing bourgeoisie

>>2426134
trvke. there are way more mexicans in america than in mexico

If the US invades and annexes Mexico does that turn all the rapists and murderers in Mexico into American citizens?


>>2426098
He did not say homo Sapiens originated from Iran. Humans arrived from Africa to Iran 100,000 years ago. It is clear that is what he is implying

>>2426143
puerto ricans are US citizens but get no political representation. same with american samoans

>>2426140
>there's still a functioning bourgeoisie after the revolution
welcome back Mr Xiaoping

>>2426143
They would only annex El Norte. The rapist migrants to the anglos are brown southerners

>>2426147
no one in america gets political representation except jews

(go ahead meidos snipe me for this post just because i said jews instead of zionists do it fucking zionist occupied web sight)

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>>2426146
are the subtitles wrong? lo siento, no habla espanol

>>2426151
*jews and white farmers in montana

>>2426151
you get my point, no need to derail

>>2426154
True
come to think of it, Jews never larp as farmers like white people do. every white billionaire has a farm in Montana or Wyoming he "vacations" in but I've never seen a Jewish billionaire do that. why do white folks fetishize farming?

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>>2426149
1. Mr. Lenin said it (picrel)
2. you twisted my words, I never said "functioning" I said "disenfranchised but still existing"

>>2426156
>why do white folks fetishize farming?
they fetishize land ownership, which they call "farming". plantation owners were also called "planters" despite it being the slaves who did all the planting and picking of crops, just like it's undocumented wage workers who live like borderline serfs today.

>>2426157
someone is only bourgeois by virtue of the function in society he plays. once someone's claims to property are annulled he ceases to be bourgeois. it does not linger on him like the cooties.

>>2426117
>ok but then who will they sell commodities to?
Why bother selling commodities when you can just get money directly from the government? Like what they've increasingly been doing the past 30 years? Actually making stuff is a losing proposition and just taking money straight from the printer cuts out the middle man.

>>2426164
tired of giving you answers you don't read. you just twist words, strawman, and change subjects liek a typical tornode poster.

>>2426156
They all moved to Israel. The settler farmer petty-bourgeois kibbutzim national socialist bastards.

>>2426166
money printer go brr renders money worthless eventually due to inflation. and if they're just going to make themselves rich by voting themselves more money, then what's the point of all the automation, which was the original subject of the conversation? What makes automation useful is its ability to increase the SPEED at which commodities are produced, but this decreases the PRICE by decreasing the VALUE, by decreasing the SOCIALLY NECESSARY LABOR TIME. If they're producing millions and millions of cheap commodities through automation, they need a population of consumers to sell it to. but if they kill off all the workers becuase they aren't needed anymore as you hypothesized, then what's the point of all that production? The rich countries already throw out half their food. The rich cannot consume everything by themselves (even thought they'd certainy like to try)

>>2426167
you entered this discussion by reading my comment uncharitably but i guess you don't have the stones to take it when it's done back to you

>>2426172
you replied to me first here >>2426080

>>2426173
>>2426120 was my first post

>>2426174
so I was talking to two different mass tor baiters

>>2426174
my reply to that wasn't uncharitable btw

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>>2426177
ok i see you are the space alien from Arrival unaware of the concept of the passage of time so i can see how you could have easily misread my post

>>2426182
so first you say the bourgeoisie will exist under communism, which will be a communism for the rich, all this taking place in the context of a wider conversation in which some other mass tor baiter (not you) was saying that the bourgeoisie will just kill off all the proles with automation. I said the bourgeoisie won't exist under communism. you then talk about how proles will exist after a socialist revolution, which is a different thing from communism. I then explain this to you, and quote lenin talking about how the dictatorship of the proletariat has to expropriate and suppress the bourgeoisie so they don't return to power, and you say (without commenting on the lenin text I showed you at all) that the bourgeoisie are no longer bourgeoisie under socialism, and it doesn't linger on them like the cooties, which is the opposite line you took earlier where you were saying the bourgeoisie would simply kill everyone and automate everything without prole help and they would get "bourgeois communism" so which is it?

>>2426156
In medieval times Jews were legally forbidden from working the land, they’re wholly urban. By contrast, everyone from Roman aristocrats to medieval kings lionized farming as noble profession, a simple and honest life in contrast to the perfidiousness of the city. In Rome you had that legend of a dictator or emperor giving up power to farm. In France, Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette had a fake farm set up where they’d go to LARP a simple life (I believe Marie told one of the peasants who actually worked there “you don’t know how good you have it.”) it’s simple, dignified labor. In a way, it’s almost a balm to alienation too; you’ve got your property, your crops, your tools, you’re subsisting off your own labor.

I’d say another element is not needing to network or anything. The higher tiers of social hierarchy is increasingly determined by who you know, going to the right events, rubbing shoulders with people you hate. Putting on a mask as it were.

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>>2426193
>In medieval times Jews were legally forbidden from working the land
depended on the country but yes they often were. I think in Russia there were Jewish peasants.

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>>2424097
>Can the Naxals just overthrow Modi already?
The Naxalites are getting wiped out.

You should be aware that Gonzaloid Maoists will wildly exaggerate the size and importance of their movements and they do this regularly. We should already be aware that they'll post a picture of like 10 people holding red flags in Austin, Texas and write a report that makes it sound like the United States government is in its final days, or they'll show up to some liberal anti-Drumpf march, hand out red flags to some oblivious libs, and then post pictures and videos that present the march as being entirely Maoist. This goes for their coverage of foreign Maoist "revolutions" that have been losing and shrinking for decades. So, it should not be a surprise that, while the Gonzaloids treated the Naxalites like they were on the cusp of delivering the final coup de grace against the Indian government and winning total Maoist victory in India, that the Indian government is now obliterating them with almost minimal effort and I wouldn't be surprised if we hear of the total end of the Naxals sometime this year.


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