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>>2420828FRIENDLY REMINDER TO FILTER GLOWTARDS >>2423409Yes that's the main incentive of the culture war. It can make *anything* socially rewarding or punishing at the drop of a hat. And it's used to divide people and to chip at their worldview, however they formed it, until only the culture war remains and makes sense.
>>2423413And yet, were they to talk, they'd introduce themselves draped in the same mores and NPC traits. Because hwat they have in common is not narcissism, it's abject fear of social inadequacy.
>>2423418this
>>2423130>People only get involved in politics because they're insecureThe bourgeoisie are not only involved in politics but control it, not out of insecurity, but to maintain their security.
>>2423413Never said anything about sheep. Some people are prone to introspection while questioning the social mores around them and their place in it. Some people just accept what they were taught as children and move on with their lives. The people most likely to never reflect probably never faced real resistance in life and so never were pressured to question anything.
And not everyone thinks in the exact same way like in your comic. In fact it's childish to think every does think exactly the same way.
Exclusive: The Secret White House Backchannel That Paved the Way For Trump’s Summit With Putin
>Since the beginning of this year, the autocrat [Lukashenko] has pursued a confidential dialogue with the Trump administration, offering his services as a kind of Putin whisperer. He coached U.S. officials on how to keep talks with the Kremlin on track, and he gave them assurances that the Russians were ready to negotiate in good faith even as they continued their bombing raids against Ukraine. Using every available avenue to Washington, Lukashenko dangled the prospect of peace in a way designed to get the attention of President Donald Trump: “If we make this deal,” he told his U.S. interlocutors, “they will bring you the Nobel Peace Prize on a platter.”
<The Americans played along. Within a month of Trump’s inauguration in January, U.S. officials made the first of at least five visits to Minsk to explore what Lukashenko could achieve. In the process, they eased the image of Belarus as a pariah state, won the release of several high-profile political prisoners, and opened a quiet backchannel to the Kremlin through Minsk.https://time.com/7308021/lukashenko-belarus-minsk-backchannel-trump-putin/>>2423535>In another corner of the room, behind the bank of cameras, a large painting of Vladimir Lenin stood on an easel, and Lukashenko turned to it as we sat down.
>“These days, of course, I’m far from being Soviet, but Soviet principles, the best ones, live inside me,” Lukashenko mused. “Why should I reject them? Just like the Americans do not reject their history, it’s the same with me. That’s why we have this friendship with Russia, the closest kind of cooperation.” >>2423460true
>>2423462>switching back to Keynesianism.america abandoned keynesianism because of stagflation lol they can't worm their way out of the contradictions of capital.
Engels:
>If a country nowadays accepts Free Trade, it will certainly not do so to please the socialists. It will do so because Free trade has become a necessity for the industrial capitalists. But if it should reject Free Trade and stick to Protection, in order to cheat the socialists out of the expected social catastrophe, that will not hurt the prospects of socialism in the least. Protection is a plan for artificially manufacturing manufacturers, and therefore also a plan for artificially manufacturing wage laborers. You cannot breed the one without breeding the other. […] Whether you try the Protectionist or the Free Trade will make no difference in the end, and hardly any in the length of the respite left to you until the day when that end will come. For long before that day will protection have become an unbearable shackle to any country aspiring, with a chance of success, to hold its own in the world market.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1888/free-trade/>>2423509also true
This guy is a 30+ year diplomat and Obamas ambassador to Israel yet this naively gullible. Blows my mind
This woman debunked him in a few sentences
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_B._Shapiro>>2423692>nationalize strategic industriesDid you see how U.S Steel was 'nationalized'? the process has already begun
>>2423694If re-industrializing the american economy is the goal, than tariffs are necessary for shielding the budding industries from outside competition. since porky power is weakening with time, state power finds it necessary to intervene on its behalf, even when it doesn't want to, because it exposes the double standards of the neoliberal ideology it uses to dominate the world
>>2423681The American state is a bourgeois dictatorship. Trump is not even doing American Dengism because in order to do American Dengism it would require that we already have a proletarian revolution and cultural revolution in our past. We have a civil war in our past, but it was a civil war between the slave owning planter aristocracy and the northern bourgeoisie, not a war between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. This is not the beginning of a top down transition to socialism either. The Japanese and the Prussians had a top down transition out of feudalism instead of proper bourgeois revolutions, but those kinds of transitions are historically rare. We need a revolution and you cannot sit here and tell me Trump is doing some kind of anti-bourgeois policy. At best he is maintaining the stability of the bourgeois state against certain sections of the bourgeoisie who are dragging their feet about reindustrialization. People confuse Trump's protectionist policies for anti-capitalist policies but we need to remember what Engels said:
Engels:
>If a country nowadays accepts Free Trade, it will certainly not do so to please the socialists. It will do so because Free trade has become a necessity for the industrial capitalists. But if it should reject Free Trade and stick to Protection, in order to cheat the socialists out of the expected social catastrophe, that will not hurt the prospects of socialism in the least. Protection is a plan for artificially manufacturing manufacturers, and therefore also a plan for artificially manufacturing wage laborers. You cannot breed the one without breeding the other. […] Whether you try the Protectionist or the Free Trade will make no difference in the end, and hardly any in the length of the respite left to you until the day when that end will come. For long before that day will protection have become an unbearable shackle to any country aspiring, with a chance of success, to hold its own in the world market.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1888/free-trade/
>[…] protective tariffs are nothing but preparations for the ultimate general industrial war, which shall decide who has supremacy on the world-market. Thus every factor, which works against a repetition of the old crises, carries within itself the germ of a far more powerful future crisis. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch30.htmPeople have bamboozled themselves into imagining that a billionaire real estate tycoon, casino monger, and reality TV show mascot is somehow going to reign in the bourgeoisie on behalf of the proletariat. Utterly Delulu.
>>2423720ok fair, i agree
>new era of american capitalismthe old world dying, the new world struggles to be born, now is the time of monsters
>>2423705>Did you see how U.S Steel was 'nationalized'? I know that Truman tried to do it during the Korean War and SCOTUS ruled it unconstitutional lmao.
>the process has already begunWtf are you talking about?
>>2423412Boy am I lucky I don't have kids, seeing how I'm austistic and can parely take care of myself. It's crazy how the laws are and how bad parenting is now. Not to mention that police are given too much power.
If you can't take care of children responsibly then don't have them in the first place.
>>2421717yeah…
I don't think it could be bleaker than this.
>>2423740>in direct opposition to neoliberalism and free market principles, yestrump has never opposed thi.
it's basically: neoliberalism and free market not for me, but for thee.
the reduction of the healthcare medicaid spending is a neoliberal decision, it's 1 o 1 text neoliberalism.
tax cuts is another example.
the repeal of Dodd-Frank regulations, especially the Volcker Rule, to reduce compliance burdens for banks. Weakened the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), it's another prime example.
Rolled back environmental regulations to boost fossil fuel industries, another prime example of de-regulation that is also part of neoliberalism.
he fucking declared "American First Policy" the renewed the USMCA: Modernized NAFTA with provisions strengthening intellectual property rights and digital trade, benefiting corporate interests through enforceable market-access rules.
Even reduced the Repatriation Tax Holiday, which was 35%, now to 10%.
oh, but can Ameriburgers get a new Huawei phone? a BYD car?
NO, of fucking course not. because his neoliberalism is to further advance the interests of their porkies, while using these restrictions to protect their porkies from competition with outsiders.
he's a neoliberal bug.
US ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee bashed UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer’s Friday statement condemning Israel’s new Gaza occupation plan.
Starmer said that the expanded operations “will do nothing to bring an end to this conflict”, adding that it would result in more bloodshed on both sides.
He continued to say that what the war needed was “a ceasefire, a surge in humanitarian aid, the release of all hostages held by Hamas and a negotiated solution.”
Huckabee responded: “So Israel is expected to surrender to Hamas & feed them even though Israeli hostages are being starved? Did UK surrender to Nazis and drop food to them? Ever heard of Dresden, PM Starmer? That wasn’t food you dropped. If you had been PM then, the UK would be speaking German!”
Huckabee then challenged Starmer on how much food his government had sent to Gaza.
“How much food has Starmer and the UK sent to Gaza? @IsraeliPM has already sent 2 MILLION TONS into Gaza & none of it even getting to hostages. Maybe UK PM ought to sit this one out & follow Arab League who said Hamas should disarm & release ALL hostages immediately.”
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-863678>>2424040>magacom schizo is a bitchy puriteenFuck, that makes even more sense. I’m willing to bet he’s that genpol war schizo from 2023, same incoherent writing style.
MAGAcom schizo is just a bitchy puriteen with brainrot. It’s so clear now.
>>2424097>Indian fascism is just pathetic.It's so funny. It's a sisyphean routine of perpetually fixing the last disaster caused by neoliberal policy with the next set of neoliberal reforms. It probably takes more effort to keep India from developing than the industrial development itself.
But there they seem to go. Just point to the nearest muslim and problem solved, they'll seethe themselves back all the way back to colonialism if necessary.
Guilty' — Windsor man to be sentenced for supporting terrorist group
A Windsor judge on Thursday convicted a local man on a rare terrorism-related charge, finding him guilty of offering his “skill and expertise” to a violent, extremist white-supremacy group listed in Canada as a terrorist entity.
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Seth Bertrand, now 22 but only 18 at the time he filed an online application in 2021 to join the since-disbanded Atomwaffen Division, faces up to 10 years in prison. A sentencing hearing is scheduled for October
Bertrand was arrested in 2022 following an elaborate RCMP-led sting that included the use of undercover officers who gained their target’s trust by posing as like-minded individuals. In his online application to join Atomwaffen, later rebranded as National Socialist Order, Bertrand wrote of a “beautiful” future following a race war in which the white race wins and establishes an ethnocentric, heterosexual nation without gay people, Blacks, Jews and Hispanics: “They are the enemy.”
While not charged with any specific act of terrorism, Justice Carroccia referred to the “preventative purpose of the legislation” that makes it a crime for directly or indirectly “enhancing the ability of the terrorist group to facilitate or carry out a terrorist activity.”
The judge referred to Bertrand “boasting” to the group of previous hateful mischief acts in Windsor for which he would be convicted, including targeting the home and vehicle of a married gay couple and vandalizing the Windsor office of a trans support group.
Bertrand, using his high school computer account, said in his application he had “already proven myself worthy” by such acts, citing his acts of vandalism and the resulting news media attention. Asked by the recruiters what he could contribute to the organization, the former cadet said he had military skills — including ‘Russian fighting techniques’ — and that he was a self-taught auto mechanic. If imprisoned for his previous criminal mischief, he said he would use his time behind bars recruiting for the cause
During the trial, the defence conceded Bertrand’s views on minorities might have been “problematic” and even “deplorable,” but Russon argued his young client was “an idiot, not a terrorist.”
But Xenia Proestos, one of the federal prosecutors in the case, told reporters after the judge’s “reasoned, thorough decision” that Bertrand’s crime was “not just holding deplorable views, but taking action.”
Fresh from the guilty verdict, Russon wouldn’t say whether an appeal is already being contemplated.
Justice Carroccia’s ruling, he told reporters outside the downtown courthouse, is “an interpretation of the law. It’s a novel area of the law.”
Bottom line, however: “Hate has no place in society. I do believe that’s how he (Bertrand) feels now. I believe he has changed his views,” said Russon.
Bertrand remains out of custody pending preparation of a pre-sentence report ordered by the judge and his sentencing hearing on Oct. 6.
Russon said Bertrand has completed his house arrest and probation sentence connected to his earlier conviction in 2022 on three counts of mischief and a charge each for inciting hatred and breaching a court order.
It was his arrest by Windsor police following attacks on a gay couple’s property and the W.E. Trans Support office on Tecumseh Road East that triggered the federal terrorism investigation.
Bertrand’s lengthy terrorism trial heard testimony from an expert on far-right extremist groups and from two undercover RCMP officers whose identities remain protected under a court-imposed publication ban.
Much of the trial that began last fall was taken up by voir dires — trials within trials to argue evidence admissibility — including whether to accept prosecution evidence gathered covertly during a ‘Mr. Big’ sting, in which an undercover operative poses as a fictitious big-shot criminal organization boss and that is designed to get an unsuspecting target to confess.
Bertrand didn’t know he was being secretly recorded, and Justice Carroccia in her decision pointed out how what Bertrand told an arresting officer was at odds with what he had earlier told the Mr. Big actors in secretly recorded conversations.
In early September, a month before Bertrand’s sentencing hearing, a Superior Court judge in Ottawa is scheduled to announce the punishment for Patrick Gordon MacDonald, a terror propagandist known by the alias Dark Foreigner. He was found guilty in April of criminally inciting hate against Jews, and helping create racist and hate-fuelled terror recruitment videos.
MacDonald, only 20 when he began creating the videos in 2018, was convicted on three counts, including ‘facilitating terrorist activity” for supporting Atomwaffen Division and a neo-Nazi leader. The Crown is seeking a 14-year prison sentence for MacDonald, while the defence called for a six- to eight-year term.
https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/judge-convicts-windsor-man-of-supporting-violent-extremist-terror-group>>2424125They’re also a great lesson in paranoia and purge-happy attitudes destroying Left wing groups.
Course I think the result will be just saying “don’t do the Japanese Red Army” rather than figuring out what in particular caused them to fail. It was pretty much consensus ages ago that the Weather Underground was kind of the culmination of left wing impotence and accelerated the radical left’s decline, but people kind of re-adopt their ideas without ever realizing it’s coming from them.
https://kdwalmsley.substack.com/p/panic-and-production-cuts-at-pentagon?
>Pentagon contractors are running out of the critical materials they need to replenish weapons that are being blown up in Ukraine and the Middle East, and China’s export bans for these materials mean that there aren’t any more coming.
>Our military industrial complex is heavily dependent on Chinese suppliers, and the supply chain for everything is “brittle”—"not resilient.” Govini is a think tank that performs analysis on defense industry supply chains. One out of ten Tier-1 subcontractors to the Pentagon are Chinese companies. And 78% of the US weapons systems need critical minerals from China in order to work. For the Navy, over 91% of their weapons systems are dependent on China, that is across 730 weapons systems, and 51,000 parts. For all US armed services, then, over 80,000 parts need materials from China, over 1,900 systems, totaling over three fourths. >>2424131To follow up the Weather Underground shit:
> To try to turn their members into hardened revolutionaries and to promote solidarity and cohesion, members of collectives engaged in intensive criticism sessions which attempted to reconcile their prior and current activities to Weathermen doctrine. These "criticism self-criticism" sessions (also called "CSC" or "Weatherfries") were the most distressing part of life in the collective. Derived from Maoist techniques, it was intended to root out racist, individualist and chauvinist tendencies within group members. At its most intense, members would be berated for a dozen or more hours non-stop about their flaws. It was intended to make group members believe that they were, deep down, white supremacists by subjecting them to constant criticism to break them down. The sessions were used to ridicule and bully those who didn't agree with the party line and force them into acceptance.
<Weather maintained that their stance differed from the rest of the movements at the time in the sense that they predicated their critiques on the notion that they were engaged in "an anti-imperialist, anti-racist struggle". Weather put the international proletariat at the center of their political theory. Weather warned that other political theories, including those addressing class interests or youth interests, were "bound to lead in a racist and chauvinist direction". Weather denounced other political theories of the time as "objectively racist" if they did not side with the international proletariat; such political theories, they argued, needed to be "smashed".
>Members of Weather further contended that efforts at "organizing whites against their own perceived oppression" were "attempts by whites to carve out even more privilege than they already derive from the imperialist nexus". Weather's political theory sought to make every struggle an anti-imperialist, anti-racist struggle; out of this premise came their interrogation of critical concepts that would later be known as "white privilege". As historian Dan Berger writes, Weather raised the question "what does it mean to be a white person opposing racism and imperialism?”
<At one point, the Weathermen adopted the belief that all white babies were "tainted with the original sin of "skin privilege", declaring "all white babies are pigs" with one Weatherwoman telling feminist poet Robin Morgan "You have no right to that pig male baby" after she saw Morgan breastfeeding her son and told Morgan to put the baby in the garbage.
>Berger explains the controversy surrounding recruitment strategies saying, "As an organizing strategy it was less than successful: white working class youths were more alienated than organized by Weather's spectacles, and even some of those interested in the group were turned off by its early hi-jinks."Weird, wonder who this reminds me of? 🤔
>>2424158That too.
BTW, on the D.C. angle, I sometimes check in on Mike Doran of the Hudson Institute. Very establishment, but Republican establishment. I want to know what those guys are talking about. And he's a big Azerbaijan shill. He's like their top guy.
>>2424056It's easy for psychologists to simply use work as a main part of their exams. Don't like your boss, hate your dead end job and would rather do something else with your time? Well that's all evidence of low agreeableness, high neuroticism and low conscientiousness.
>>2424159>White babies are anti-internationalistIt's all Yakub's fault!
>>2424901That’s the irony of it, yknow there was this call to get a multiracial working class coalition, and the Weather Underground basically said “we’ll get the white people with white guilt”. So they’d do this thing where they would go to highschools and try to “jailbreak” the white highschool students by saying they were part of this system of exploitation and would have to make penance with violent revolution. They alienated tons of people with their “you’re either fighting to atone for being white or you’re a nazi” rhetoric. They praised Charles Manson for killing people. They became semi-famous for being assholes and so their plans on starting a civil war in the U.S. fell apart cause they had no allies.
There’s a moment where they called for a bunch of people to go to Chicago to basically tear the city apart, and so few people showed up that you actually have memoirs of a few of them saying they just kind of quietly hoped some miracle would happen and someone would save them.
All they really accomplished was embarrassing the left by proxy and getting themselves blown up while trying to build bombs. For a while people would point to The Weather Underground as the basically the grave marker of the New Left.
>>2424971>>2424975Are you actually defending the Weatherman's failure? And isn't saying certain babies belong in the trash because of their skin color also racist?
International coordination is necessary but the Weatherman clearly missed it by alienating their own countrymen by being racist themselves.
>>2424973I can see where you’re coming from here my dude. I think part of it has to do with Leftism coming “from the text” in modern times (eg literature, theory, etc) rather than from union activity. Like it retreats from the actual class struggle to the realm of academic debate.
The union dude who punched out Crowder was a great roar of the “Old Left” as it were.
>>2424981I mean I’d say the problem is less adopting anti intellectualism and “the right aesthetic” and more learning how to talk as workers talk and also telling the aggressive Third Worldist types to fuck off because they
will alienate workers. Be less alienating rather than trying to look more proletarian.
>>2424096>"I could have you arrested, you know? ;-)"<"I could have you nuked, you know? :-|">:O :O :O :O :O :OA few hours later on Trump's personal Twitter:
>"We couldn't reach an agreement and he had to leave early. Very rude, he was. Putin ought to know better than being rude to world leaders."Back in Trump's room:
>QQ Why does he hate me! What the fuck! QQ >>2425027>But have you read the theory of the people who said Charles Manson was based? Why are you being so prejudiced against them?Yknow I’ve got nothing against you personally but I don’t really care what theory they wrote; once they talk about throwing babies in garbage my opinion of them is set.
>>2425026I tend to weigh what I can observe over flowery ideals, and internationalism at its worst, from what I’ve seen, is just inviting a bunch of random assholes to yell obscenities at you while holding that nothing good can ever happen within your lifetime because “imperialism.” At its best? It’s just penpals. That’s all I’ve seen of it at least, and when pushing back on some assholes insisting “we’re gonna make your life worse for internationalism” I’ve yet to see someone offer a positive example of internationalism—instead they stay mum until I say “well then why should we be internationalists”—at which point they rush to its defense; which to me just looks like “let other people walk over you”
>>2425044Didn’t they send Trump some big idol made of dollar bills with his face on it? Pretty sure they wrote “In Trump We Trust” in place of God.
They’re all in on worshipping the antichrist.
>>2425046
>you have to think about why Hasan exists and why his line is the way it is, in relation to the capitalist super structure as well as his own position within that super structure. His uncle is the founder of the young turks, he comes from a much, much higher class background than you or I. These thing determine his political line as well as his reach. It's a lot easier to become someone with reach when you have the higher class position, and this higher class position means you'll have a less radical line, which is also good because that's the only way to get a major audience on a mainstream, capitalist owned platform. Twitch could, at anytime, just remove Hasan, they don't. This is intentional.
I get it but at the same time I get somewhat frustrated with Leftists refusing to create anything and just getting mad that existing platforms aren't friendly to the Left. Like obviously Twitch and Youtube represent Capital, they're only gonna promote capital-friendly "Leftists" like Hasan that don't rock the boat. The goal of any Leftist content creator on those platforms should be to build an audience and then FUNNEL YOUR AUDIENCE OFF THOSE PLATFORMS. Use your clout as a creator to support Left-wing causes and build Left-wing social media that can be used to attract young people as an alternative to Twitter, Twitch, Youtube, etc.
Bit of a tangent but I've tried time and again to start using decentralized platforms like Matrix and Mastodon for hobby shit but, and I assume this is also why many "left-leaning" people don't just go all-in on free speech open source platforms, people on the Left seem to have vastly different views of what a "free" internet should look like and don't like when it includes people they don't like. They don't want to share a platform with pedophiles, nazis, etc and just block them from their feed, so they inevitably go back to Twitter and Youtube and Twitch and praise daddy credit card company for telling them what they're allowed to view.
I cannot stress enough we need to purge the puritan elements of the modern Left before our internet ecoystem can begin to thrive and grow. Until then we'll have to settle for Leftist discussions on Reddit where you're not allowed to discuss armed struggle unless it's supported by the State Department. Or this dead and dying North Korean basket weaving forum that is a spinoff of an already dead neo-nazi website that is a spinoff of 4chan.
>>2425063>…I assume this is also why many "left-leaning" people don't just go all-in on free speech open source platforms, people on the Left seem to have vastly different views of what a "free" internet should look like and don't like when it includes people they don't like. They don't want to share a platform with pedophiles, nazis, etc and just block them from their feed…These "free speech" sites like Gab were intended from the beginning to be Nazi bars. No, I *don't* want to share a platform with fascists or pedophiles, I want to *destroy* fascism and pedophilia. Besides, they don't have to worry, Elon Musk and the Trump Administration is in their corner.
>But that means you don't like le Free SpeechI don't abide by bourgeois liberal mores.
>>2423422>The general public *are* sheept.
>npcsdamn, /pol/ is still using the word npc? some classy stuff, there, pol.
>>2425084>These "free speech" sites like Gab were intended from the beginning to be Nazi bars. No, I *don't* want to share a platform with fascists or pedophiles, I want to *destroy* fascism and pedophilia. Besides, they don't have to worry, Elon Musk and the Trump Administration is in their corner.The problem is the Right dominates the mainstream sites as well so…what are you gonna do? You need to create platforms that allow free speech where users can publicly shame nazis instead of just crying to the jannies because it's the primary means of creating consensus and building platforms. Look how quickly /pol/ went to shit(well it was always shit) when it got an influx of Nazis that just outnumbered the Leftist posters and spammed the board until they were able to create a consensus that "/pol/ belongs to nazis" among the userbase.
To think about it differently, it's also about better optics/advertising. Promoting your platform as Nazi-free does nothing to attract new users, even fellow Leftists, while promoting your platform as a "free speech zone" and then slowly culling the nazis organically through cyberbullying and doxxing will result in the best possible ecosystem.
Like, for all Reddit does to "fight extremism" do you actually consider it a good platform for communicating political messaging? Heavy-handed censorship literally ALWAYS benefits the bourgeois. They always have the resources to manipulate the rules in their favor. I feel like nothing good has come from this era of people wanting their social circle to perfectly match their worldview. It just results in overly insular communities that are extremely abrasive and neurotic, always infighting and angry at eachother over perceived injustices.
>>2425071While I wish that was the case, yknow about the vegan-climate change divide? Basically if you involve yourself in environmental activism you might run into this argument along the lines of: “you can’t be a real environmentalist unless you’re a vegan, carnivore diets are the biggest contributor to climate change, no matter what else you do, so long as you aren’t vegan you’re still contributing to it.” Now for as much as I’m concerned about climate change, I love some bacon and eggs and jerky; give me a choice between an impossible burger and a real burger and I’ll choose the real burger. It’s not out of ignorance, I’ve heard their arguments, but I simply can’t be a Vegan. Say it ain’t in my nature.
Now that’d be fine and dandy if it weren’t for the insistence that whatever good I’d do for some environmentalist movement would be declared completely null by the fact I’m not a vegan. The question to me at that point becomes: “why bother?” If what I’m doing is pointless because of one intractable issue, why do anything? Hell, if anything I’d feel scammed—like going through the effort to fix some broken fridge on my own only to find out it has some special software that only the company that made it can use, and now the thing is bricked. I would be frustrated with all the wasted effort I put in. In fact, I’d probably warn people to stay away so they don’t waste time like I did.
There’s no real right to opt out, simply put. I’m told you have to care about this one issue in this one way, or whatever else in the movement is simply not for me. I’m shown the door. You’re either all in or all out. If someone comes in and says “I hope you all die, free Chagos” and I’m say “well then I don’t give a fuck about Chagos” I’m failing some international duty. I’m expected to nod along and pretend I like the asshole talking shit in front of me. If some third worldist insists that communism means making things worse around here intentionally for some third worlders that they insist hate us and want to kill us all, then fuck the third world; I’m in this to try and solve homelessness out here, not turn time back to the Stone Age to repent for sins I don’t even believe in.
What’s that Marx quote about a class developing consciousness when it ceases to be in itself and starts being for itself? Well the way I see it I’m simply acting for my class; which is to say the American working class.
>”No no no, you don’t get it, the working class has no nation!”So I should be satisfied winding up homeless because somewhere, some third worlder is less exploited? To me that seems no different than a nationalist saying I should accept not having healthcare for the good of the fatherland. I’m simply told I’m part of this group, the material and social benefits of which I’ll never see, and should cease acting for myself in the name of some invisible others. Suddenly I and my coworkers should stop acting as a class for itself when it comes to the third world. I should simply be content knowing someone somewhere, a worker, is enjoying something we’ll never have. I’m expected to make all the pointless sacrifices of extreme nationalism or religious piety but without even the promise of anything good coming after.
>>2425114I don't think that "seizing the propaganda machine" would be as popular as you think it is among the proletariat. Most people don't really feel threatened by mean words on the internet they just want a free and convenient platform to communicate with their friends.
China only succeeds at controlling their internet because of the immense trust the people have in the government due to its consistent success. I doubt your sjw tech worker movement would be as well received.
>What do you think Facebook and YouTube would do if their engineers walked out demanding less far-right content on YouTube? Well eventually they'd fire them and replace them with Indians. But that's good actually, it'd fundamentally destabilize America and the propaganda machine.The funny thing is they ALREADY TRIED THIS when Twitter and Facebook employees started demanding the bosses to deal with the extremism on their sites. And yes, you're right they're being actively replaced by Indians. Not even because of that though but just because it saves money. Tech workers don't have any bargaining power in the current political climate.
I wish I could better articulate my views on this subject but I feel like a lot of it is based on a mix of personal values and political pragmatism that is difficult to instill in someone that doesn't see it on their own.
Here's an example
https://boards.4chan.org/vt/thread/103253247Visa and Mastercard censoring Steam is somehow becoming a rallying cry for the Right as the next Gamergate. Why aren't we getting ahead of this? It's literally a left-wing issue, why is the right receiving all the political benefit from it? Because leftists online think it's really funny to "own" the gooners for crying about their porn game. Absolutely baffles me. Meanwhile the Right can easily twist it into "look at how they want to take THING away from you! they think you shouldn't have THING! the ELITES are trying to control your life!" and this naturally resonates with people that are politically alienated and frustrated with the constant puritanical bullshit of the Liberal order. Of course the Right's solution to this is making a platform where you can say uyghur and openly plan KKK cross burnings with your buddies without consequence. Why isn't the Left capable of creating a space that is y'kno…based on tolerance of all those except the intolerant? It seems like such a simple idea: let people get together and discuss their hobbies and create art and not control what they do or think or produce so long as it's not being used to endanger others? Just give people a microphone in a public space and let them say whatever dumb shit they want and if you don't like what they have to say just kick them in the balls instead of crying to the mods. It's so much more fun and diverse.
Come to think of it, if I had to grow up in the current internet era I might've very well become a chud. The idea of people telling me I can't say or do certain things just innately makes me want to do those things just to test the boundaries. The idea you're only allowed to interact in sanitized spaces with "approved" speech just makes you wanna break the rules and piss off the jannies even more. I find it hard to believe a magical Leftist utopia where tech companies censor content based on the party line wouldn't have these kinds of people that just lash out harder the more you try to control them. Even people who otherwise have no interest in racism might be tempted to throw out a slur just because they see it makes the "normies" upset. eg my entire experience on Xbox Live as a kid.
>>2425119I think we're at a bit of a disagreement here because I view Liberals as the bleeding heart types that want to censor speech and constantly cry about social media platforms not "controlling" their content.
I know that doesn't really align with traditional Liberalism but it's where American Liberalism is at right now. It's the line all the Democrats in congress are pushing, holding tech companies accountable for uh…not banning anti-zionist speech and all that.
And that's the other issue, if you start curating your platform to only show content you personally agree with, it's only a matter of time until the bourgeois worm their way up your corporate ladder and start putting their fingers on the scale. I just don't have any faith in a "Leftist" social media site that only bans nazis and doesn't overreach to alienate normal people. It'll never happen.
>>2425124I don't think this is inherently the case. Social Media under Capitalism is designed to rot your brain because that maximizes engagement/ad revenue. But you can have like…free and public platforms that don't rely on ads or care about making a profit and just exist to give people a way to talk to eachother and spread ideas. And it doesn't inherently require moderation at all beyond preventing spam or other content manipulation.
We need to bring back Goatse tbqh.
>>2425123Gonna see your controversial statement and match you: The Right always outmaneuvers the left on these issues because on the Right, having a personal hatred for Visa and Mastercard isn’t an incompatible position; or at least won’t get you yelled at and told to leave. On the Left, having a personal hatred of feminism is.
Shit I just said I wasn’t a feminist a couple threads back and was told it’s simply incomprehensible to be a socialist but not a feminist.
In the end the right will win these issues because the simple fact is that to take the “left” side on this requires you to rub shoulders with the same feminists grumbling that GTA is sexist. You’re not allowed to say “I don’t like these people and won’t support them.”
>>2425108You don't need to give up the high ground through. Using old school labels like environmentalist or internationalist has positive connotations and core ideas that still have value.
You can call still yourself an environmentalist while insisting that vegans who say you need to be vegan to care about the environment are objectively wrong. Maybe they have some point about the current amount of meat consumption being unsustainable but that's not the same as eliminating it all together. So why give them control of the title environmentalist when you can claim it yourself and then point out they are wrong? Why warm people away from all environmentalist ideas just because some vegans claim it all? Instead just warm people about the vegans.
Same thing with third worldists or any other position that is objectively wrong. They might claim to stand for the larger communist movement, the third world, internationalism but if they are wrong then there is no need to let them define the argument. They are framing it as Americans vs the third world. But why accept their framing of the situation at all?
>>2425130Personally I try to challenge feminists on their beliefs, like how is censoring video games conducive to improving living conditions for women in the real world? And it usually just boils down to the debunked "video games cause violence" shit from the 90's. I don't want to retreat from these discussions just because you'll get ostracized. They need to happen. People need to be challenged on their ideas and it they don't stand up to scrutiny they need to be called out.
>>2425132>The problem is that as you just said social media as it is can’t be separated from the context that formed it. These incentives are built into how it’s designed, right down to the recommendation algorithms and user interface. It’s a perfect example of artifacts having politicsThat's why I don't think simply censoring social media "but in a way the Left agrees with" is the solution. These platforms were built under a Capitalist framework. Whatever we build has to be something totally different and separate and operate in a way that doesn't "curate" or force shit through an algorithm. Unironically we gotta go back to geocities and turn social media into an outward expression of ourselves instead of just a feed of media to consume and people to argue with.
>>2424982Heheh
Teleports Behind You & Updates Honorary Crackkka List To Include TurksNothing Personnel Kid
Someone said to me the other day "Students only protested against the Vietnam War in the USA because they were opposed to getting drafted, not because they were imposed to imperialism."
I think this is incomplete. I think many (but maybe not enough) Americans who protested the Vietnam war opposed it not merely because they were opposed to the draft, but because they recognized that it was in the interests of both the Vietnamese and US masses to oppose the war, and really only the US ruling class benefited from it. And if the shared interest was there, yes, of course, one half of that shared interest is the self-interest, and the interest of The Other takes the back seat.
A big part of the "Left Wing" discourse in the USA involves basically going "Americans never want the right thing, and if they do it's for the wrong (selfish) reasons."
But people form large political blocs based around their interests, be they class interests or interests of identity.
We see something similar now with conservatives becoming more "Isolationist" compared to the 9/11 days. People say "well these were the same people who did the war on terror." Sort of. Not exactly. It's the next generation. Some of the same faces are still there but they're fading into irrelevance. And other faces, like Trump, weren't in political power (at least not state power) for the GWOT era. Some of the people who were around for both eras like Tucker changed their tune from raging about "ragheads" in "mud huts" to opposing Israel's genocide of Palestinians, even if for opportunistic reasons.
When Newton invented calculus it was to track rates of change in the internal characteristics and external relations of observable phenomena. Marxists look at the world through a sort of political calculus. They do not treat groups of people as static metaphysical entities who never change. They always keep dialectical processes in mind because very quickly history can change a group of people from relatively "backwards" to something else entirely, the way Russia went from a semi-feudal peasant country to a nuclear spacefaring proletarian superpower.
Keep your eye on the ball.
interesting excerpt from
>>>/edu/22850 Age of Extremes highly relevant to the USA
>>2425309"I'm personally being gangstalked by Zohran supporters!" Ok bud, sure.
Although yeah it is a little weird that those posters are going up in Australia, a completely different continent than the one NYC is in.
>>2425183>ziggers1. wrong thread for this
2. NATO caused the war
>>2424125Luigi Mangione and Aaron Bushnell are better examples imo
>>2425123>This is gonna sound extremely chuddy but have online feminists done anything good for the Left in the past 20 years?Online activists do so much damage to their own causes. Like you have online autism activists screeching about how evil you are for saying the words stupid and lame, or calling you a Nazi for still identifying as having Asperger's. It doesn't do anything for causes except make a mockery of them and making less people take them seriously.
>>2425502It didn't work back then either. The Romanovs weren't collectively executed as a family until they had already abdicated, got taken into custody under the Bourgeois February Revolutionary government, and then executed by the Bolshevik October Revolutionary government. So they were already disempowered before being taken out, whether or not you call it "terrorism," the final blow didn't come until after socialists were already in power in the capitol city (though it was contested power during a civil war).
What's remarkable was that during the era of random terror, monarchs weren't even targeted as often as random state officials. For example the lady who shot Lenin, Fanny Kaplan, had also assassinated tsarist officials. And these officials, though usually unelected, were not in hereditary positions either. They were appointed.
>>2425122nonsense
>>2425123>have online feminists done anything good for the Left in the past 20 years? feminists in general have not done anything good in the last ~40 years
>>2425129>We need to bring back Goatse tbqh.based
>>2425130>having a personal hatred for Visa and Mastercard isn’t an incompatible position; or at least won’t get you yelled at and told to leave. On the Left, having a personal hatred of feminism is. bullshit, even if that were true, do you suppose that it matters at all?
>You’re not allowed to say “I don’t like these people and won’t support them.”you
are "allowed" and that is self-evident;
as you do>>2425144>the push back against this censorship has been primarily by, you guessed it, women and queer people.this is also what i have witnessed
>grassrootswhy are you obsessed with this concept? what benefit does it actually bring, what is the meaningful distinction to you?
i only skimmed his wikipedia, neville seems like a modern engels type.
>>2425502>>2425521Assassination and terrorism are part of warfare but they alone don't change the political system. If used correctly they can destabilize the political system and make it weaker. But ultimately you are supposed to have a larger force to actually break the old system and take over.
>>2425541But is he wrong?
>>2425541>trust you really don't
need to trust anything i say, if you have evidence to the contrary i'd be happy to correct myself.
>self describedits a name not a description, dolt.
>>2425544he really hasn't expressed support for anything truly reactionary though, has he?
>>2425546i have never used the site, but from what i have seen the most vocal and visible sectors of that "community" are much more inline with collective shout than opposed to it.
>>2425531>feminists in general have not done anything good in the last ~40 yearsI agree seeing how Feminism mostly started out as bourgeoisie women wanting a bigger slice of the pie and not giving a crap about working class women.
Not to mention how the anti-sex, anti-porn tendencies of liberal (especially American/English/Australian) Feminism, especially liberal feminism starts to mirror American Protestant religious conservatives who want to do the same thing. It all boils down to that whole "Video Games will make you Violent" argument has has been debunked so many times.
>>2423755Why not just ACK politicians instead? They are targeting the symptom and not the rot higher at the top.
Priorities, people. Hits should be a fairly common occurrence in this day and age.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cost-of-living-income-quality-of-lifeMost Americans don't earn enough to afford basic costs of living, analysis finds
>The gap between what Americans earn and how much they need to bring in to achieve a basic standard of living is growing, according to a new report.
>The analysis, from the Ludwig Institute for Shared Economic Prosperity (LISEP), looks beyond whether people can afford daily necessities like food and shelter to consider whether they have the means to pay for things like the technology tools necessary for their jobs, higher education, and health and child care.
>LISEP tracks costs associated with what the research firm calls a "basket of American dream essentials." The group says its Minimal Quality of Life index provides a truer picture of how Americans are faring than standard economic data, such as the nation's gross domestic product and jobless rate. The index captures the annual change in the typical costs facing low- and moderate-income households who are looking to maintain a basic quality of life.
>"We analyze these components not just in terms of financial figures but as crucial elements that shape a family's capability to achieve a desirable standard of living," the group explains in a paper describing its approach.
<The findings? For the bottom 60% of U.S. households, a "minimal quality of life" is out of reach, according to the group, a research organization focused on improving lower earners' economic well-being.
>"The middle class has been declining — we just haven't recognized it fully," LISEP Chairman Gene Ludwig told CBS MoneyWatch. "It's really dangerous because it's the kind of thing that leads to social unrest, and it's not fair. The American dream is not that it's given to you — it's that if you work hard, you have a chance to get ahead and achieve the things in life that you want to achieve. It's not living in a tent, not having to steal."
<The Ludwig Institute also says that the nation's official unemployment rate of 4.2% greatly understates the level of economic distress around the U.S. Factoring in workers who are stuck in poverty-wage jobs and people who are unable to find full-time employment, the U.S. jobless rate now tops 24%, according to LISEP, which defines these groups as "functionally unemployed."Man there's so many conditions that'd be right for social unrest if there were a group that could leverage it.
>>2425684History has shown that every time a country gets attacked and bombed, the patriotism and support for the government of its population RISES instead of decreasing. That's why nowadays the preferred method of rising internal discontent against an enemy nation is blockades and embargoes.
That being said, fuck MIGA and the MORENAzis. I'm m 100% spreading revolutionary defeatism here in Mexico before inevitably being drone'd to death by cartel or Palantir operated drone.
>>2425693
>top 10% of the population does more than 50% of the spending, whereas the bottom 60% does effectively none of the economic spending
I agree with the point you're trying to make after saying this but this sounds statistically dubious and probably relies on lumping in investing with "spending". But the whole point of the capitalist class is that they invest more than they spend. The working class spends on things they need, which is why they're always broke, because the things they need (shelter), food, water) eats up their entire paycheck. The ruling class gets paid more than is required for their survival, which gives them reserves which can be reinvested in profitable enterprise, leading to capital accumulation.
The ruling class does not spend as much as they hoard, then they invest that accumulated hoard into profitable means of production, labor power, raw materials, and real estate, which will then generate more profit for them which can be further reinvested in expanding production, which is different from spending, because spending expects no return on investment, while investment is done for the purpose of getting out more money than you put in.
>>2425711they cut off the guy when he tried to say "you debate maoists and people who champion abortion" because I presume that guy was basically trying to say "if you debate these peoplek why not debate fuentes?"
it's kinda funny how the guy asking the question is a toilet paper usa chapter prez
>>2425684I think the term is "crackpot realism".
>>2425709Unironically what I was thinking of. Had some old dude come through my line a few years back, look me straight in the eye, and say:
>"They're saying no one wants to work anymore, but you wanna know what I call it? Lazy Worker Syndrome." ALGEMEINER'S DAVID COHEN: Is it your sense that Jewish people are getting complacent, that they're not engaging to degrees and levels we should be?
ADL CEO JONATHAN GREENBLATT: I have met a lot of October 8th Jews for whom the massacre on October 7th was a wake-up call. I've met a lot of people who feel much more galvanized, much more organized. But that will only be sustained if we offer them, you know, ways to participate in a real and robust way in Jewish life.
COHEN: And whose responsibility is that?
GREENBLATT: All of ours. But like, this is why we need a revolution in our community, on so many levels. So look, the reality is is that intermarriage rates continue to go up. Assimilation continues apace.
And look, I fight anti-Semitism. That is my job. But I worry a great deal about broader questions of Jewish identity, as I think we talked about over lunch. And so I think it's really important that our synagogues, our schools, summer camps, our all of our institutions and the federations and denominations and other groups that sort of manage them. I think we all need to look in the mirror and make sure that we're doing everything we can to adapt and to iterate and to be part of where the world is going, not just where the world has been.
https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=65007>>2423451The world needs President Vance to accelerate even more.
The next chesseburger should do it
>>2425776she underwent to a bimbofication process very quick. from a mildly cute blonde, to a hyaluronic-acid-bimbofied bitch. what American politics do to a motherfucker.
well, better that than going through the herman cain phases.
>>2425844CPUSA anon can speak for himself, we just get annoyed at the constant
SKULLFUCK ALL BURGER BABIES KILL KILL KILL KILL IF YOU THINK MURDER FANTASIES ARE ANNOYING YOU ARE KKKRACKKKA IMPERIALIST posting because it’s childish and counterproductive
>>2425837You are the racist one for just entertaining such a thought. No, even worse than just racist: you're an
antisemite.
>>2425860Video is in this article
ALGEMEINER'S DAVID COHEN: Is it your sense that Jewish people are getting complacent, that they're not engaging to degrees and levels we should be?
ADL CEO JONATHAN GREENBLATT: I have met a lot of October 8th Jews for whom the massacre on October 7th was a wake-up call. I've met a lot of people who feel much more galvanized, much more organized. But that will only be sustained if we offer them, you know, ways to participate in a real and robust way in Jewish life.
COHEN: And whose responsibility is that?
GREENBLATT: All of ours. But like, this is why we need a revolution in our community, on so many levels. So look, the reality is is that intermarriage rates continue to go up. Assimilation continues apace.
And look, I fight anti-Semitism. That is my job. But I worry a great deal about broader questions of Jewish identity, as I think we talked about over lunch. And so I think it's really important that our synagogues, our schools, summer camps, our all of our institutions and the federations and denominations and other groups that sort of manage them. I think we all need to look in the mirror and make sure that we're doing everything we can to adapt and to iterate and to be part of where the world is going, not just where the world has been.
https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=65007 >>2425859>>2425859I don’t, dumbass.
If you got a problem with CPUSA anon, take it up with him directly instead of pretending that he speaks for everyone here.
>inb4 “if you get annoyed at SKULLFUCK THE BURGER BABIES posting that means you’re in favor of exploiting the third world”Take the childish strawmanning elsewhere.
>>2425797Yeah they're probably going to try and pull some Tom Clancy bullshit. Man, that ambush scene in Clear & Present Danger was so kino. I love it when all the dudes with plastic bags over their faces and the eye holes cut out start popping up on the rooftops. First time I saw that scene as a kid it freaked me the hell out.
And then the guy with the Texan accent: "Hey, whut da hail?" SHWOOOSH-KRA-BOOOOM
>>2425861I've talked to some people from, well, I don't know if the third world, but definitely outside of the first world (North Africa and South East Asia), and mostly what they care about is that their standards of living are continuing to improve. I've told them I'm American and they don't care.
This may be different for Middle-Easterners who have rightfully strong Anti-American sentiments, but this is simply my anecdote.
>>2425868^ I’m genuinely certain this anon is actually just an angry teenager. Same with MAGAcom schizo.
Even the most deranged adults I’ve known don’t have the time or energy to dedicate literal years to screaming the same thing every hour of every day on an imageboard.
Like, let’s review
>seemingly endless spare time>emotionally disregulated to the point to throwing screaming fits>CONSTANT strawmanning and bad faith>pseudo-intellectualismWe all thought we were arguing with an adult, reality is this is just a shitty kid
>>2425845>>2425867>>2425869>>2425874>>2425877>>2425887If someone says death to ameriKKKa the only acceptable response in theis place is a silent nod or verbal agreement. Not defending your empire's honor like these fucking pigs
>>2425883>>2425890I havent been caught. I am guilty of nothing. Death to ameriKKKan pigs my brother
>>2420233>>2420396people will post shit like this and be like "I'm just opposing American imperialism bro. You should silently agree. It's in the site rules."
You know this is fedposting because it's people posting this in English on a majority English speaking board. If they really were third worlders who felt this way they'd go in their own spaces dedicated to anti-Americanism, not come on a majority English website and post deranged derails. It's obviously fed shit. Either that or frustrated misanthropy from deeply mentally ill people.
>>2425898There is zero correlation between "Behead Burger Babies" and "destroy the imperialist governments" subject changer
I fucked up post numbers the first time>>2425898Nobody said that, you idiot.
People are angry because you advocate for child murder. That is a separate issue.
And you are pretending that not advocating for the murder of children means being pro-imperialist.
See:
>>2425894 >>2425906it's fedposting + imageboard mental illness
anything to derail the discussion from actual americans discussing how to move forward
realistically opposing their own bourgeois dictatorship.
>>2425881>then they define the Venezuelan government as a drug cartel. Just a thought.see
>>2425705 where they literally call him the leader
>>2425908Sure, but the problem is you push back on the purity spiraling and you get labeled a fed.
“Death to America” just means killing random Americans. That’s what it means to the people saying it. That’s what it means to the Americans hearing it. But for some reason there’s a niche of people who try to do some sort of academic obscurantism, saying shit like:
>”Well actually ‘death to’ is really abstract, yknow in tarot cards ‘death’ means ‘transformation’ so what we’re really saying is ‘transform America.’”No one actually thinks that. When they say “death to America” they mean “bomb American towns, kill Americans, torture American babies” that is all the phrase means, full-stop.
Seriously do any of you fuckers go outside? Do you honestly think most normal people don’t see “death to America” as “kill Americans”?
>>2425932I don’t think it’s “chauvinist” to respond to the “Let’s Kill All Americans” types with a hardy fuck you.
Of course, this is the Left we’re talking about. My phone autocorrected the word “will” to “Will” once and that was treated as proof of some secret fascism because “only fascists capitalize will”. The blinders are selective; someone says “where there’s a Will there’s a way” and it’s bam, you’re a Nazi. Someone says “I want to kill babies” and suddenly it’s “well let’s hear him out, there’s a lot of ways you can interpret ‘kill’”
I will not give you the benefit of the doubt. I won’t “hear you out”. And if your slogan means the exact opposite of what it’s saying it’s a shitty slogan that should be thrown in the garbage.
>>2425948>I don’t think it’s “chauvinist” to respond to the “Let’s Kill All Americans” types with a hardy fuck you.yeah but they're setting a rhetorical trap. it's that motte and bailey thing you're talking about.
>death to amerikkka!<so you want to just kill americans?>no you stupid chauvinist, it means like transform america through revolutionor even
>behead all burger kids with blunt knife ( examples
>>2420233 >>2420396)
<wtf that's a weird thing to say>only if you defend imperialism!!!! >>2425952See the thing is the Motte and Bailey is about putting a controversial position first and then falling back to a reasonable/simple one. “Death to America” is the Motte, “let’s transform America” is the Bailey.
The solution is still to reject the Motte first and foremost, if they try to retreat then simply point out that if they really meant “let’s transform America” they would use that as a phrase. The slogan should be rejected wholeheartedly in my view.
>>2425956It obviously refers to the government which is why you have someone talking about torturing babies to death up above and defending it with “Wha about death to Amerikkka guys?!”
Seriously if it referred to the government it would say “Death to the American Government”; it’s referring to the nation, people included.
Like this is obvious to everyone, the only people it isn’t obvious towards are insular types that want to pretend the phrase means something other than what it says.
If I say “I’m gonna get sandwiches” then come back with tacos, then I shouldn’t say “I’m gonna get sandwiches” in the first fucking place—not try to defend it with “well tacos are a sandwich”
>>2425962Unironically I heard a fascist say once: “I’ve got no problem with Jewish people, I just hate the Jewish conspiracy.” And again up above you’ve got a guy literally saying “death to amerikkka” and talking about slitting a baby’s throat. So if that isn’t what “death to amerikkka” means as a rallying cry, why wouldn’t he say “death to amerikkka and death to American babies”? He folds it all under the phrase “death to amerikkka” cause that is what the phrase means when he’s saying it.
And the funny thing about language, again, is that even if there’s some grey area, if I say “I’m going to get sandwiches” I can at least be reasonably sure that the listener isn’t going to recoil in horror and think mistakenly I’m threatening to kill him. If I were to text them at 3am “I’m gonna kill you, you stupid bitch” then telling the cops “im gonna kill them in video games! In video games!” Isn’t gonna help, especially when they find your buddy with a rope, knife, and the schedule of the person you texted in his car.
>>2425948>I don’t think it’s “chauvinist” to respond to the “Let’s Kill All Americans” types with a hardy fuck you.Incorrect. The only correct response is aye. AmeriKKKans must be destroyed to make way for global proletarian revolution. Humanity has nothing to gain by defending the ameriKKKans
>>2425983The catholic say to us that the slaves must not kill the masters but also support for the master's children. You are ultimate class cuck imperialist
.
>>2425956So are you gonna correct this guy
>>2425994 on his incorrect use of the phrase or just go silent? Because it seems to me that you only get lectured on its meaning when you say you dislike it cause it means murdering innocent people, not when you use it as a rallying cry for “murder more people.”
Weird how it’s never worthy of a correction when someone’s obviously using it, by your own definition, incorrectly.
>>2425837Oh shit, I thought this guy was Stephen Miller for a sec.
There's this creepy dead-eyed Imperial Roman phenotype that freaks me the fuck out. It's insect-like.
>>2425924CPUSA anon here to say: really like/appreciate your posts.
I cant compliment further since I'm a baby leftist, (most complicated book I read was das capital vol 1), so my appreciation can only go so far – but regardless you're an interesting and refreshing perspective.
>>2426040Ah thanks man, I appreciate it.
Right now one of the projects I’ve got is trying to do a sort of annotated reading of Capital, lots of notes and highlighting. Wishing you the best in your education my man.
>>24260511: AI is absolutely not very good at what the marketers claim it's good at and it is mostly programmers in a trench coat maintaining several borderline incompatible systems and databases as they try to feed each other way too much information at once.
2: classic automation with machinery still requires factories and places to manufacture the machinery which will require regular humans working in them. Automation does not eliminate the needs of society, it just displaces workers. Every job that automation destroys opens up new jobs: like the maintenance and repair of machinery, or the maintenance and development of software. If you say those jobs aren't real prole jobs, just wait until they are deskilled and oversaturated and the benefits and salaries become subsistence wages.
>>2426052>Every job that automation destroys opens up new jobs: like the maintenance and repair of machinery, or the maintenance and development of software. This is liberal cope and we have a major historical example of farming to that shows it's not true. Before farming was effectively "automated" by tractors and machinery 90% of the population worked agriculture but now most of those jobs shifted to unrelated service work and the manufacturing of other unrelated goods. So the jobs weren't shifted to maintenance and repair of the machinery it just went to other random busywork.
And now that those other industries are also being automated it will go the same way but now there is not enough other busywork. Yeah you still need some workers but the number needed has decreased rapidly. The idea everyone will all go into software or maintenance isn't a logical conclusion it's just what liberals dreamed up to solve the problem. I fully expect the ruling class to kill off the mass of people as they try to transition to some sort of technofascism.
>>2426059you are bourgeois for having computer .
i am bourgeois for having computer.
we are all bourgeois for having computer.
we should all be killed by cobalt miners for having computer.
phone is computer btwcomputer is means of production btw >>2426103>computer is means of production btwNo it isn't, means of production are things like factories, land, resources, energy. Having a computer doesn't make you bourgeois.
And this retard
>>2426059 is a typical (Western) third worldist; basically treating the third world as noble savages just to have an excuse to not actually work to try and make socialism succeed in the first world.
>>2426065tbqfh, fam. you can't correctly organize without this
>>2426026 theory.
>>2426120>the bourgsexist in relation to the proletariat. without a proletariat they are no longer bourgeois
>in communismthere are no bourgeoisie in communism
>for the richbeing rich is relative to whoever is poor. if there are no poor people left, there are no rich people left.
>>2426147no one in america gets political representation except jews
(go ahead meidos snipe me for this post just because i said jews instead of zionists do it fucking zionist occupied web sight)
>>2426154True
come to think of it, Jews never larp as farmers like white people do. every white billionaire has a farm in Montana or Wyoming he "vacations" in but I've never seen a Jewish billionaire do that. why do white folks fetishize farming?
>>24261491. Mr. Lenin said it (picrel)
2. you twisted my words, I never said "functioning" I said "disenfranchised but still existing"
>>2426156In medieval times Jews were legally forbidden from working the land, they’re wholly urban. By contrast, everyone from Roman aristocrats to medieval kings lionized farming as noble profession, a simple and honest life in contrast to the perfidiousness of the city. In Rome you had that legend of a dictator or emperor giving up power to farm. In France, Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette had a fake farm set up where they’d go to LARP a simple life (I believe Marie told one of the peasants who actually worked there “you don’t know how good you have it.”) it’s simple, dignified labor. In a way, it’s almost a balm to alienation too; you’ve got your property, your crops, your tools, you’re subsisting off your own labor.
I’d say another element is not needing to network or anything. The higher tiers of social hierarchy is increasingly determined by who you know, going to the right events, rubbing shoulders with people you hate. Putting on a mask as it were.
>>2424097>Can the Naxals just overthrow Modi already?The Naxalites are getting wiped out.
You should be aware that Gonzaloid Maoists will wildly exaggerate the size and importance of their movements and they do this regularly. We should already be aware that they'll post a picture of like 10 people holding red flags in Austin, Texas and write a report that makes it sound like the United States government is in its final days, or they'll show up to some liberal anti-Drumpf march, hand out red flags to some oblivious libs, and then post pictures and videos that present the march as being entirely Maoist. This goes for their coverage of foreign Maoist "revolutions" that have been losing and shrinking for decades. So, it should not be a surprise that, while the Gonzaloids treated the Naxalites like they were on the cusp of delivering the final coup de grace against the Indian government and winning total Maoist victory in India, that the Indian government is now obliterating them with almost minimal effort and I wouldn't be surprised if we hear of the total end of the Naxals sometime this year.
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