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Not reporting is bourgeois


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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<"in nomine Dow Jones et Nasdaq et S&P 500" Edition


Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka

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>>2423121
I think the reality about idpol is that normies are fairly secure in their self-identity and don't need a cohesive identity to unite them. People only get involved in politics because they're insecure and looking for an answer. The workers don't need a sense of identity to unite around. It's only the political people who need an identity. Maas politics doesn't involve identity.

>>2422677
>>2422634
board rejuvination with sharty raider characteristics

>>2423130
>normies are fairly secure in their self-identity
When you face no social resistance and are not too introspective then you can be secure in anything. Historically people's identity is very flexible and in times of pressure and crisis people are forced to change how they think,

my blood is boiling

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>>2423409
Yes that's the main incentive of the culture war. It can make *anything* socially rewarding or punishing at the drop of a hat. And it's used to divide people and to chip at their worldview, however they formed it, until only the culture war remains and makes sense.

>>2423413
And yet, were they to talk, they'd introduce themselves draped in the same mores and NPC traits. Because hwat they have in common is not narcissism, it's abject fear of social inadequacy.

>>2423417
it seems narcissistic to imagine yourself superior to the general public

>>2423418
this
>>2423130
>People only get involved in politics because they're insecure
The bourgeoisie are not only involved in politics but control it, not out of insecurity, but to maintain their security.

>>2423418
>general public
The general public *are* sheep. Utterly domesticated, barely human people built from minor nuances of the same regional cloth. With the addition of the common ground that mass media and the internet add. But if you separate the two, they are NPCs at both. They are absolutely entitled to respect, but I don't have to be happy about it.

>>2423422
and you are not also a sheep?

>>2423422
but you're built different

>>2423413
This comic always make the contrarians mad

>>2423422
Well what makes you so fucking special?

>>2423423
>>2423433
>>2423446
More education and travel than the "general public". An a lot more money as well, to do a lot more things than the average wageslave. A better perspective, a perspective of being better.

Materialist explaination?

>>2423130
you could not be more wrong. when capitalism commodifies an identity it annihilates it. normies are in a state of perpetual identity crisis. The stage is set for a political zeitgeist to sweep the nation

>>2423413
Never said anything about sheep. Some people are prone to introspection while questioning the social mores around them and their place in it. Some people just accept what they were taught as children and move on with their lives. The people most likely to never reflect probably never faced real resistance in life and so never were pressured to question anything.

And not everyone thinks in the exact same way like in your comic. In fact it's childish to think every does think exactly the same way.

>>2423451
bourgeoise dictatorship in its final stage before collapse

>>2423451
The capitalists know laissez faire is fucking retarded when China is going to murder them in 30 years so they're switching back to Keynesianism.

>>2423450
so rich people are more intelligent than poor people?

Bro remeber the mfs posting here the meme of Trump that said "sorry Joe, but the Gaza genocide will stop"? 😂😂😂


>>2423451
they are still liberals just ones that are honest with themselves about the relationship between liberalism and slavery, domination, hierarchy, eugenics, etc. I increasingly wonder if that's all a fascist is. when they say "post-liberal" they mean post-"liberal" as in the word used to describe the particular cultural values of the democratic party and its supporters that is very specific to the US.

Liberal loonacy that I have stumbled over.
https://www.persuasion.community/p/gen-z-has-too-much-freedom

its ova
>Inside the Crisis at the Anti-Defamation League: The group used to fight for justice for all. Its war against anti-Zionism has changed everything.

<“The suffering of children, in particular, should break all of our hearts and spur action toward a just resolution,” one executive posted, in the last week of July. “But it’s equally vital that the international community does not fall prey to Hamas’s propaganda efforts … There is no famine and no starvation.”

https://archive.ph/Bn4ST

>israel let oct. 7 happen
just like pearl harbour and 9/11

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Exclusive: The Secret White House Backchannel That Paved the Way For Trump’s Summit With Putin

>Since the beginning of this year, the autocrat [Lukashenko] has pursued a confidential dialogue with the Trump administration, offering his services as a kind of Putin whisperer. He coached U.S. officials on how to keep talks with the Kremlin on track, and he gave them assurances that the Russians were ready to negotiate in good faith even as they continued their bombing raids against Ukraine. Using every available avenue to Washington, Lukashenko dangled the prospect of peace in a way designed to get the attention of President Donald Trump: “If we make this deal,” he told his U.S. interlocutors, “they will bring you the Nobel Peace Prize on a platter.”


<The Americans played along. Within a month of Trump’s inauguration in January, U.S. officials made the first of at least five visits to Minsk to explore what Lukashenko could achieve. In the process, they eased the image of Belarus as a pariah state, won the release of several high-profile political prisoners, and opened a quiet backchannel to the Kremlin through Minsk.

https://time.com/7308021/lukashenko-belarus-minsk-backchannel-trump-putin/

>>2423535
>In another corner of the room, behind the bank of cameras, a large painting of Vladimir Lenin stood on an easel, and Lukashenko turned to it as we sat down.

>“These days, of course, I’m far from being Soviet, but Soviet principles, the best ones, live inside me,” Lukashenko mused. “Why should I reject them? Just like the Americans do not reject their history, it’s the same with me. That’s why we have this friendship with Russia, the closest kind of cooperation.”

>>2423548
LMAO Lukashenko trolling the shit out of the Western envoys.
>Dude trust me I only kept this painting of Lenin because…uhhhhhhh I like history )))))

>>2423519
They are so desperate to win the narrative war, even though they’ve been lost that shit a good while ago.

>>2423519
>organization born to defend a jewish pedophile
>not enough money was flowing in for the zionist cause, so they became yet another generic civil rights group
>Greenblatt comes in to bring the group back to their roots
>libs act shocked when they find out what the ADL's real motivations were this whole time

>>2423460
true
>>2423462
>switching back to Keynesianism.
america abandoned keynesianism because of stagflation lol they can't worm their way out of the contradictions of capital.

Engels:

>If a country nowadays accepts Free Trade, it will certainly not do so to please the socialists. It will do so because Free trade has become a necessity for the industrial capitalists. But if it should reject Free Trade and stick to Protection, in order to cheat the socialists out of the expected social catastrophe, that will not hurt the prospects of socialism in the least. Protection is a plan for artificially manufacturing manufacturers, and therefore also a plan for artificially manufacturing wage laborers. You cannot breed the one without breeding the other. […] Whether you try the Protectionist or the Free Trade will make no difference in the end, and hardly any in the length of the respite left to you until the day when that end will come. For long before that day will protection have become an unbearable shackle to any country aspiring, with a chance of success, to hold its own in the world market.


https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1888/free-trade/

>>2423509
also true

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Trump and Republican donors working together to defeat Mamdani in NYC

>And in a previously undisclosed call in recent weeks, Mr. Trump spoke about the race directly with Mr. Cuomo, an old associate and foil, according to three people briefed on the call, who were not authorized to discuss it. The possibility that Mr. Trump would somehow involve himself in New York politics could inject a new element of unpredictability into an already fractious contest. It remains far from certain how or if Mr. Trump will ultimately make his presence felt. And in recent weeks, some Republicans close to the administration have indicated that the president might simply sit it out.


<But donors and allies of Mr. Adams and Mr. Cuomo have pined for weeks for the president to intervene, arguing that Mr. Trump, a lifelong New Yorker with strong views about how the city should be run, could play a role in consolidating the fractured anti-Mamdani vote behind a single opponent. This group strongly opposes Mr. Mamdani, a democratic socialist who outflanked Mr. Cuomo in the primary with a message about freezing rents and raising taxes on the rich.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/06/nyregion/trump-nyc-mayor-cuomo-adams-mamdani.html

>>2423413
I have met and talked to a good number of people who quite verifiably don't think about the world because it bothers them to do so nd have even said as much.

>>2423588
Obviously they're all just really concerned about Mamdani's social fascist stealth zionism

>>2423595
this is why people are drawn to religion, because it makes dealing with this fucked up world a little easier. understandable why marx called it opium

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>Breaking News: President Trump has secretly signed a directive to the Pentagon to begin using military force against certain Latin American drug cartels.
https://archive.ph/1lSbB

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The economy is doing great, but if it crashes it's all the fault of the radical left judges

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Bow down and kiss the ring you dirty CEO's. State Power is in charge here

New list of states to avoid just dropped
>The ADL's Ratings and Assessments Institute report will say only California, Tennessee, Virginia, Arizona, Florida, Colorado, Texas, Illinois and New York were designated "leading states."

>That means those states showed high alignment with ADL's recommendations on responding to rising antisemitism through their laws, policies, and public commitments.

https://archive.ph/TvBYr

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>>2423656
>CEO is commander in chief
<state power is in charge here

>>2423413
now why would a PMC guy like the xkcd comic writer think that we all share his universal belief that the working class are soulless slaves whose entire existence is to serve the Charles Babbage class of computer programming slave plantation nazis? 🤔
https://logicmag.io/supa-dupa-skies/origin-stories-plantations-computers-and-industrial-control/

>>2423669
business interests are clearly being put behind the interests and security of the state, yes. why else would state power put 50% tariffs on India, destroying the Apple strategy of shifting iphone production there

>>2423656
CEOs are the world's most marginalised minorities, they should press a civil rights case against Trump

>>2423656
Based Trump implementing Xi Jinping thought in America.

>>2423660
>adl's good goy ratings
I'm tired boss

>>2423660
shoutout to the woke lesbian Michigan AG Nessel who invited Trump's fascist FBI to invade her state. Fascists have solidarity, do you?
<Michigan Attorney General announces FBI raids targeted pro-Palestinian protesters over “vandalism and property damage”
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/04/26/nnfb-a26.html

https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2025/05/fbi-raids-part-of-complex-dance-between-police-pro-palestinian-protesters-near-ann-arbor.html

>>2423681
>business interests are clearly being put behind the interests and security of the state
If they were really interested in this they would just nationalize strategic industries and invest in rebuilding their industrial base directly. Maybe they're trying to something like what you describe but they're clearly too neoliberal brained to actually have the state expand its role in critical economic functions the way the US did during previous crises like the Depression and WW2. Additionally, Trump seems to be deploying tariffs against states and leaders that offend him personally without any serious consideration of their implications or strategic value.

>>2423681
Is this really state interest or is it the interest of the national bourgeoisie? Because if the government is serious about industrialization they would invest in industrialization, not using tarrifs to privilege one individual private clique over the other

This guy is a 30+ year diplomat and Obamas ambassador to Israel yet this naively gullible. Blows my mind

This woman debunked him in a few sentences

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_B._Shapiro

>>2423692
>nationalize strategic industries
Did you see how U.S Steel was 'nationalized'? the process has already begun
>>2423694
If re-industrializing the american economy is the goal, than tariffs are necessary for shielding the budding industries from outside competition. since porky power is weakening with time, state power finds it necessary to intervene on its behalf, even when it doesn't want to, because it exposes the double standards of the neoliberal ideology it uses to dominate the world

>>2423698
>gullible
I'm not gonna say what kind of diplomat he was

>>2423681
The American state is a bourgeois dictatorship. Trump is not even doing American Dengism because in order to do American Dengism it would require that we already have a proletarian revolution and cultural revolution in our past. We have a civil war in our past, but it was a civil war between the slave owning planter aristocracy and the northern bourgeoisie, not a war between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. This is not the beginning of a top down transition to socialism either. The Japanese and the Prussians had a top down transition out of feudalism instead of proper bourgeois revolutions, but those kinds of transitions are historically rare. We need a revolution and you cannot sit here and tell me Trump is doing some kind of anti-bourgeois policy. At best he is maintaining the stability of the bourgeois state against certain sections of the bourgeoisie who are dragging their feet about reindustrialization. People confuse Trump's protectionist policies for anti-capitalist policies but we need to remember what Engels said:

Engels:

>If a country nowadays accepts Free Trade, it will certainly not do so to please the socialists. It will do so because Free trade has become a necessity for the industrial capitalists. But if it should reject Free Trade and stick to Protection, in order to cheat the socialists out of the expected social catastrophe, that will not hurt the prospects of socialism in the least. Protection is a plan for artificially manufacturing manufacturers, and therefore also a plan for artificially manufacturing wage laborers. You cannot breed the one without breeding the other. […] Whether you try the Protectionist or the Free Trade will make no difference in the end, and hardly any in the length of the respite left to you until the day when that end will come. For long before that day will protection have become an unbearable shackle to any country aspiring, with a chance of success, to hold its own in the world market.


https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1888/free-trade/

>[…] protective tariffs are nothing but preparations for the ultimate general industrial war, which shall decide who has supremacy on the world-market. Thus every factor, which works against a repetition of the old crises, carries within itself the germ of a far more powerful future crisis.


https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch30.htm

People have bamboozled themselves into imagining that a billionaire real estate tycoon, casino monger, and reality TV show mascot is somehow going to reign in the bourgeoisie on behalf of the proletariat. Utterly Delulu.

>>2423712
>At best he is maintaining the stability of the bourgeois state against certain sections of the bourgeoisie
This is all im trying to say, not that trump is anti-bourgeoise or anything. its all one big club. but I think what a lot of people here are missing is that sometimes in the act of maintaining the stability of the state that profits are deprioritized, and this seemingly breaks the brains of people that don't realize we're in a new era of american capitalism

>>2423660
Illinois is such a wretched fucking state. It doesn't get near as much shit as some but it's better at hiding it

>>2423720
ok fair, i agree
>new era of american capitalism
the old world dying, the new world struggles to be born, now is the time of monsters

>>2423681
Apple is exempt lmao

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Trump vows to avenge Big Balls

>>2423705
>Did you see how U.S Steel was 'nationalized'?
I know that Truman tried to do it during the Korean War and SCOTUS ruled it unconstitutional lmao.
>the process has already begun
Wtf are you talking about?

>>2423720
No, I rather think this is the logical end to a bourgeoise dictatorship, in that the state itself is leveraged to wage inter-bourgeoise battles as capital seeks consolidation. Tariffs are, at best, Trump extorting the bourgeoise and at worst, attempts at furthering monopoly capital by explicitly picking winners by carving exemptions to tariffs

>>2423730
you gotta read this ASAP. Trump kinda-sorta 'nationalized' U.S Steel, giving the federal government (not him personally) authority to run and control it in perpetuity. Porky is understandably very upset. The USA is turning into China and China is turning into the USA
>Trump's Controlling Stake in U.S. Steel Is Indefensible Socialist Nonsense

>The terms spelled out in the SEC documents extend well beyond government meddling in the future of a private business. The deal also means that the same federal government charged with regulating other steel companies operating in the United States now owns a controlling share in a direct competitor. That's a massive conflict of interest, on top of the other gross implications here.

https://reason.com/2025/06/26/trumps-controlling-stake-in-u-s-steel-is-indefensible-socialist-nonsense/

>>2423733
>Trump extorting the bourgeoise and at worst, attempts at furthering monopoly capital by explicitly picking winners by carving exemptions to tariffs
in direct opposition to neoliberalism and free market principles, yes

>>2423412
Boy am I lucky I don't have kids, seeing how I'm austistic and can parely take care of myself. It's crazy how the laws are and how bad parenting is now. Not to mention that police are given too much power.

If you can't take care of children responsibly then don't have them in the first place.

>>2421717
yeah…
I don't think it could be bleaker than this.

>>2423740
I don't think those are real principles

>>2423745
they aren't, but to tens of millions of voting constituents they are

Judge Tanya Chutkan is going to oversee the Epstein files case, kek

okay, which one of you white boys was this?


>>2423749
Clearly very important for a dictatorship

>>2423763
>a dictatorship
an empire. when IMF auditors fuck up a developing country with austerity they force these stupid neoliberal and free market reforms on them. getting harder to do that as the americans expose the double standard of 'protectionism for me and free trade for thee'

>>2423766
That double standard has been more or less understood for at least half a century, countries still get IMF loans because third world countries are controlled by compradores whose only role is advancing extractivist policies. right in line with this double standard

>>2423776
btw it's so funny to understand that the US is an empire but still expect vassal state attached to the empire to operate seeking its own national interests. My brother in christ, they are vassals.

>>2423776
you overestimate the average persons ability to think on that level

>>2423786
In what history has there been vassals that are hardline loyalists to the empire

>>2423793
I'm not over-estimating anything, in fact I think they're very much aware of western hypocrisy and not only aware of it but have come to resent it. I just don't think they live (I don't think *I* live) in a democracy.

>>2423798
In this one, when have US vassals significantly acted in a way that advances their own self-interest in a significant way, and not just chosen to advance the interest of their own comprador bourgeoise

>>2423793
>you overestimate the average persons ability to think on that level
they don't have to understand it the way you or I understand it. They can just see in the third world that they're getting cucked when the leader is friendly to the imperial core, and that when their leader is not friendly to the imperial core, he gets couped, and then they get cucked even harder. At that point it comes down to pattern recognition, not knowing terms like "comprador bourgeoisie" and "protectionism."

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>Center for American Progress
"Progressive think tank" in the US, everyone.

>>2423801
>when have US vassals significantly acted in a way that advances their own self-interest in a significant way
Canada put 25% tariffs on U.S goods

>>2423827
Wasn't Blinken seething recently "WELL MAYBE IF PALESTINE PROTESTERS TOLD HAMAS TO SURRENDER THE WAR WOULD BE OVER BY NOW?!"

>>2423740
>in direct opposition to neoliberalism and free market principles, yes
trump has never opposed thi.
it's basically: neoliberalism and free market not for me, but for thee.
the reduction of the healthcare medicaid spending is a neoliberal decision, it's 1 o 1 text neoliberalism.
tax cuts is another example.
the repeal of Dodd-Frank regulations, especially the Volcker Rule, to reduce compliance burdens for banks. Weakened the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), it's another prime example.
Rolled back environmental regulations to boost fossil fuel industries, another prime example of de-regulation that is also part of neoliberalism.
he fucking declared "American First Policy" the renewed the USMCA: Modernized NAFTA with provisions strengthening intellectual property rights and digital trade, benefiting corporate interests through enforceable market-access rules.
Even reduced the Repatriation Tax Holiday, which was 35%, now to 10%.
oh, but can Ameriburgers get a new Huawei phone? a BYD car?
NO, of fucking course not. because his neoliberalism is to further advance the interests of their porkies, while using these restrictions to protect their porkies from competition with outsiders.

he's a neoliberal bug.

>>2423841
Which one?

>>2423818
The US violently crushed all nascent revolutionary sentiment decades ago

>>2423842
Trump is pro-business, but that doesn't mean he's pro-neoliberal, even though there's a large overlap between the two. tariffs kinda throw most neoliberal values out the window

>>2423755
>she doesn’t get they’ll stack the jury to get the result they want anyway
Tiktok naivete.

>>2423857
I heard they actually had trouble getting a jury together for Luigi, although I think this case is both less known than his and taking place in Texas.

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Henry George status?

>>2423865
I appreciate the article houdini anon but i can't help but a lot of it relies on the boomer assumption that vidyagaymes caused violence

>>2423877
Videogames do cause violence. Capitalists would ban violent degenerate lumpen scum media like the grand theft auto six if it but not used to terrorize honest proles

>>2423880
>Pop media causes violence
Calm down Ben Shapiro

>>2423881
I have no idea rn but if i ever get an inspiration for an article i promise i'd at least try to hit up your site anon

Bibi is doing spectacular diplomatic work.

>>2423891
Sad thing is the german government is still swallowing zionist cock whole. All two inches.

>>2423891
>he feared a situation where Israel's only friends in Europe are on the far right
lmao imagine reading this just 3 years ago

>>2423845
well new people living under new and worse conditions have been born since then.

US ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee bashed UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer’s Friday statement condemning Israel’s new Gaza occupation plan.

Starmer said that the expanded operations “will do nothing to bring an end to this conflict”, adding that it would result in more bloodshed on both sides.

He continued to say that what the war needed was “a ceasefire, a surge in humanitarian aid, the release of all hostages held by Hamas and a negotiated solution.”

Huckabee responded: “So Israel is expected to surrender to Hamas & feed them even though Israeli hostages are being starved? Did UK surrender to Nazis and drop food to them? Ever heard of Dresden, PM Starmer? That wasn’t food you dropped. If you had been PM then, the UK would be speaking German!”

Huckabee then challenged Starmer on how much food his government had sent to Gaza.

“How much food has Starmer and the UK sent to Gaza? @IsraeliPM has already sent 2 MILLION TONS into Gaza & none of it even getting to hostages. Maybe UK PM ought to sit this one out & follow Arab League who said Hamas should disarm & release ALL hostages immediately.”

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-863678

>>2423897
i love stalin

>>2423861
>”We’ve got this brilliant new idea called Trumponomics—we’re gonna collectivize agriculture and ban landlordism—it’s gonna make America great again.”

>>2423901
socialism with american characteristics

Georgism-Gesellianism-Syndicalism

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>>2423903
if we're gonna stalinpost

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>>2423900
Stalin says "Don't love me, just do Bolshevism."

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lool


>>2423905
You may laugh but the brits are actually way ahead of you
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan_da_Cunha#Economy

>>2423865
>that time
The US military has been using call of duty to groom children for ages now. If you want to use any kind of US military trademarking in your game, you have to agree to always present the military branches in a positive light

>>2423917
That's anti semitic.

>>2423919
Tristinians are all monopolist imperialist colonialists. Like all setter colonialist projeKKKts such as the zionist entity has the kibbutz and may restrict foreign land purchase in west bank. British colonialist and their relations must be exterminated

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>>2423917
his buddy looks like Yeltsin kek

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sneak peak into your ancapistan future

>>2423949
well this is one of those rare instances where it actually was uninhabited when discovered and first settled by an American in 1810

>>2423951
the video is in the previous thread >>2421097

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>>2423969
chat is this big???

>>2423969
how is it secret if the NYT knows about it

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>>2423915
>The gesture by Putin, known for mind games and attempts to expose adversaries' points of weakness, was likely meant to raise unhelpful questions
This is so vague. What questions? The press always does this. These people are going to make me defend Putin. He was a career intelligence guy. A CIA family had one of their kids run off and get killed in Russian service, and the kid received a posthumous decoration, which should go to the family. This is just how they do things.

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Zohranbros… is it over??

>>2423986
>"Um, have you considered that you're taking an apartment from an unnamed poor person?!"

Woah, Cuomo is Third Worldist gang.

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>>2423969
>putting an end to what the CIA started
the US is an arsonist by night and firefighter by day. it tries to soak up the glory for solving problems it created in the first place. nobody falls for this anymore.

>>2423986
>2,300
>Nice apartment in new York

Lmao get the fuck out of here man

>>2423915
crafty putler… he's using divertsionistya, an old KGB tactic

>>2423986
KEK I can't believe he thinks this is a good line of attack

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>>2423969
Realistically, how will this be used to further imperialism? Thinking of joining up if i get to blow up narco tanks, also some real world combat experience would be nice.


This guy did an AMA on /pol/ he posted his id and all. It's definitely him

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/512552523

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>>2423986
>da eat da poo poo pastor man in uganda murders le gays waaaaah waaaaaaaaah
sincere and heartfelt critique coming from the establishment funded unapologetic zionazi

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>>2423986
Holy fuck imagine attacking a politician because they don't live in enough luxury.

>>2423886
>TWist schizo is just a bitchy puriteen

Holy shit it all makes sense.

>>2424038
im pretty sure that was actually the magacom schizo

I think I may actually get around to joining the DSA because there's pretty much no other organizations here.
It feels more like a charity than a political organization but I have nowhere else to go.

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>>2423880
>Videogames do cause violence.
Skill issue.

>>2424046
>people get crazy when society gets crazy
waow

>>2424053
Low conscientiousness, in the context of personality traits, generally means an individual is less organized, less disciplined, and more spontaneous than someone with high conscientiousness. They may be more prone to procrastination, disliking routine, and exhibiting impulsiveness. While this can lead to flexibility and adaptability, it can also result in a lack of reliability and difficulty completing tasks.

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>>2423880
Ok but I still really want a Russian Revolution/Civil War total conversion mod for RDR2

>>2424040
too many schizos on my block


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>>2424064
nah hamas released a video that was basically like "look, when you starve us you starve your hostages too. So you don't really care about them" and israel clipped pieces of that to be like "look they're starving us it's literally a 2nd holocaust waaaaaaaah"

Another day another shooting

>>2424075
>israel clipped pieces of that to be like "look they're starving us it's literally a 2nd holocaust waaaaaaaah"
Annuda

>>2424077
School one too

>>2424077
>CDC shooter
can't one of these motherless fucks go after AIPAC

>>2423986
This “champagne socialist” logic is so easy to turn back around on them that I’m surprised historically socialists have never done it.
<“it’s great Cuomo pretends to care about affordable housing on an individual level when trying to get elected but it’s too bad he can’t extend that to the rest of society in actual policy”

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>>2424040
>magacom schizo is a bitchy puriteen

Fuck, that makes even more sense. I’m willing to bet he’s that genpol war schizo from 2023, same incoherent writing style.

MAGAcom schizo is just a bitchy puriteen with brainrot. It’s so clear now.

>>2424077
So what is "active shooter" supposed to mean?

>>2424082
>can't one of these motherless fucks go after AIPAC
Their groomers/handlers won't allow that, obv

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Saars

>>2424087
Not killed or arrested yet

>>2424072
They're trying very hard to do that through roundabout means

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get ready to rrrrumble

>>2424089
Can the Naxals just overthrow Modi already? Indian fascism is just pathetic.

>>2424090
he ded

>>2424097
>Indian fascism is just pathetic.
It's so funny. It's a sisyphean routine of perpetually fixing the last disaster caused by neoliberal policy with the next set of neoliberal reforms. It probably takes more effort to keep India from developing than the industrial development itself.

But there they seem to go. Just point to the nearest muslim and problem solved, they'll seethe themselves back all the way back to colonialism if necessary.

>>2424096
>meeting in former russian territory
interesting

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Guilty' — Windsor man to be sentenced for supporting terrorist group

A Windsor judge on Thursday convicted a local man on a rare terrorism-related charge, finding him guilty of offering his “skill and expertise” to a violent, extremist white-supremacy group listed in Canada as a terrorist entity.

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Seth Bertrand, now 22 but only 18 at the time he filed an online application in 2021 to join the since-disbanded Atomwaffen Division, faces up to 10 years in prison. A sentencing hearing is scheduled for October

Bertrand was arrested in 2022 following an elaborate RCMP-led sting that included the use of undercover officers who gained their target’s trust by posing as like-minded individuals. In his online application to join Atomwaffen, later rebranded as National Socialist Order, Bertrand wrote of a “beautiful” future following a race war in which the white race wins and establishes an ethnocentric, heterosexual nation without gay people, Blacks, Jews and Hispanics: “They are the enemy.”

While not charged with any specific act of terrorism, Justice Carroccia referred to the “preventative purpose of the legislation” that makes it a crime for directly or indirectly “enhancing the ability of the terrorist group to facilitate or carry out a terrorist activity.”

The judge referred to Bertrand “boasting” to the group of previous hateful mischief acts in Windsor for which he would be convicted, including targeting the home and vehicle of a married gay couple and vandalizing the Windsor office of a trans support group.

Bertrand, using his high school computer account, said in his application he had “already proven myself worthy” by such acts, citing his acts of vandalism and the resulting news media attention. Asked by the recruiters what he could contribute to the organization, the former cadet said he had military skills — including ‘Russian fighting techniques’ — and that he was a self-taught auto mechanic. If imprisoned for his previous criminal mischief, he said he would use his time behind bars recruiting for the cause

During the trial, the defence conceded Bertrand’s views on minorities might have been “problematic” and even “deplorable,” but Russon argued his young client was “an idiot, not a terrorist.”

But Xenia Proestos, one of the federal prosecutors in the case, told reporters after the judge’s “reasoned, thorough decision” that Bertrand’s crime was “not just holding deplorable views, but taking action.”

Fresh from the guilty verdict, Russon wouldn’t say whether an appeal is already being contemplated.

Justice Carroccia’s ruling, he told reporters outside the downtown courthouse, is “an interpretation of the law. It’s a novel area of the law.”

Bottom line, however: “Hate has no place in society. I do believe that’s how he (Bertrand) feels now. I believe he has changed his views,” said Russon.

Bertrand remains out of custody pending preparation of a pre-sentence report ordered by the judge and his sentencing hearing on Oct. 6.

Russon said Bertrand has completed his house arrest and probation sentence connected to his earlier conviction in 2022 on three counts of mischief and a charge each for inciting hatred and breaching a court order.

It was his arrest by Windsor police following attacks on a gay couple’s property and the W.E. Trans Support office on Tecumseh Road East that triggered the federal terrorism investigation.

Bertrand’s lengthy terrorism trial heard testimony from an expert on far-right extremist groups and from two undercover RCMP officers whose identities remain protected under a court-imposed publication ban.

Much of the trial that began last fall was taken up by voir dires — trials within trials to argue evidence admissibility — including whether to accept prosecution evidence gathered covertly during a ‘Mr. Big’ sting, in which an undercover operative poses as a fictitious big-shot criminal organization boss and that is designed to get an unsuspecting target to confess.

Bertrand didn’t know he was being secretly recorded, and Justice Carroccia in her decision pointed out how what Bertrand told an arresting officer was at odds with what he had earlier told the Mr. Big actors in secretly recorded conversations.

In early September, a month before Bertrand’s sentencing hearing, a Superior Court judge in Ottawa is scheduled to announce the punishment for Patrick Gordon MacDonald, a terror propagandist known by the alias Dark Foreigner. He was found guilty in April of criminally inciting hate against Jews, and helping create racist and hate-fuelled terror recruitment videos.

MacDonald, only 20 when he began creating the videos in 2018, was convicted on three counts, including ‘facilitating terrorist activity” for supporting Atomwaffen Division and a neo-Nazi leader. The Crown is seeking a 14-year prison sentence for MacDonald, while the defence called for a six- to eight-year term.

https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/judge-convicts-windsor-man-of-supporting-violent-extremist-terror-group

>>2424104
interesting but we haven't annexed canada yet, there is a canadian general

>>2423801
DeGaulle tried to get his gold back

>>2423801
>when have US vassals significantly acted in a way that advances their own self-interest
they usually acquiesce to the USA but there are some rare instances:

>French Withdrawal from NATO's Military Command (1966)

>France, Germany, and Belgium opposed the Iraq war, at least to the extent that they called for a UN mandate before military action could be taken
>Turkey has opposed US support of Kurdish groups linked to the PKK
>Berlin moved ahead with Nordstream 2 (RIP) despite US opposition and, eventually, sabotage

Certain people should read about the Japanese Red Army to understand how random acts of armed terror accomplish nothing

>>2424125
They’re also a great lesson in paranoia and purge-happy attitudes destroying Left wing groups.

Course I think the result will be just saying “don’t do the Japanese Red Army” rather than figuring out what in particular caused them to fail. It was pretty much consensus ages ago that the Weather Underground was kind of the culmination of left wing impotence and accelerated the radical left’s decline, but people kind of re-adopt their ideas without ever realizing it’s coming from them.

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wait new wars in the Caucasus.

>>2424144
I thought this was a shitty AI pic with lukashenko and netanyahu

https://kdwalmsley.substack.com/p/panic-and-production-cuts-at-pentagon?

>Pentagon contractors are running out of the critical materials they need to replenish weapons that are being blown up in Ukraine and the Middle East, and China’s export bans for these materials mean that there aren’t any more coming.


>Our military industrial complex is heavily dependent on Chinese suppliers, and the supply chain for everything is “brittle”—"not resilient.” Govini is a think tank that performs analysis on defense industry supply chains. One out of ten Tier-1 subcontractors to the Pentagon are Chinese companies. And 78% of the US weapons systems need critical minerals from China in order to work. For the Navy, over 91% of their weapons systems are dependent on China, that is across 730 weapons systems, and 51,000 parts. For all US armed services, then, over 80,000 parts need materials from China, over 1,900 systems, totaling over three fourths.

>>2424131
To follow up the Weather Underground shit:

> To try to turn their members into hardened revolutionaries and to promote solidarity and cohesion, members of collectives engaged in intensive criticism sessions which attempted to reconcile their prior and current activities to Weathermen doctrine. These "criticism self-criticism" sessions (also called "CSC" or "Weatherfries") were the most distressing part of life in the collective. Derived from Maoist techniques, it was intended to root out racist, individualist and chauvinist tendencies within group members. At its most intense, members would be berated for a dozen or more hours non-stop about their flaws. It was intended to make group members believe that they were, deep down, white supremacists by subjecting them to constant criticism to break them down. The sessions were used to ridicule and bully those who didn't agree with the party line and force them into acceptance.


<Weather maintained that their stance differed from the rest of the movements at the time in the sense that they predicated their critiques on the notion that they were engaged in "an anti-imperialist, anti-racist struggle". Weather put the international proletariat at the center of their political theory. Weather warned that other political theories, including those addressing class interests or youth interests, were "bound to lead in a racist and chauvinist direction". Weather denounced other political theories of the time as "objectively racist" if they did not side with the international proletariat; such political theories, they argued, needed to be "smashed".


>Members of Weather further contended that efforts at "organizing whites against their own perceived oppression" were "attempts by whites to carve out even more privilege than they already derive from the imperialist nexus". Weather's political theory sought to make every struggle an anti-imperialist, anti-racist struggle; out of this premise came their interrogation of critical concepts that would later be known as "white privilege". As historian Dan Berger writes, Weather raised the question "what does it mean to be a white person opposing racism and imperialism?”


<At one point, the Weathermen adopted the belief that all white babies were "tainted with the original sin of "skin privilege", declaring "all white babies are pigs" with one Weatherwoman telling feminist poet Robin Morgan "You have no right to that pig male baby" after she saw Morgan breastfeeding her son and told Morgan to put the baby in the garbage.


>Berger explains the controversy surrounding recruitment strategies saying, "As an organizing strategy it was less than successful: white working class youths were more alienated than organized by Weather's spectacles, and even some of those interested in the group were turned off by its early hi-jinks."


Weird, wonder who this reminds me of? 🤔

>>2424144
Well they're making peace because Armenia lost hard and they don't have any other options. Also the Azerbaijanis have friends in Washington (and Israel).

>>2424097
Unfortunately the naxals seem to be toast

First 2 cop cases rekt by failing at patdowns. The people still had guns on them and minecrafted the cops

>>2424150
more than with the zionists, actually with the turks.

>>2424149
>It's another "known white nationalist rages against internationalism" episode

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>>2424159
Oh hey, it’s the useless self-crit thing the weathermen did, neat!

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>>2424158
That too.

BTW, on the D.C. angle, I sometimes check in on Mike Doran of the Hudson Institute. Very establishment, but Republican establishment. I want to know what those guys are talking about. And he's a big Azerbaijan shill. He's like their top guy.

>>2424150
metal goes way harder in a language I don't know. Especially when it's highly velar and rhotic.

>>2424163
Ask if his dad was a rapist too.

>>2424163
He should talk more about how much he loves Pissrael

>>2424125
>>2424140
hot take but aesthetics matter and the Left should have more cute asian girls on our posters. this picture alone could probably radicalize white american men.

>>2424153
>retard cops literally get a call someone stole a gun and threatening people's lives
>let him go without fully searching him because he's a clean white suburban boy whereas if he was black they'da Philando Castile'd his ass
>get dorner'd

Top Kekerino

Anyone have pointers on how I can track the DSA convention proceedings as a non-member?

>>2424056
It's easy for psychologists to simply use work as a main part of their exams. Don't like your boss, hate your dead end job and would rather do something else with your time? Well that's all evidence of low agreeableness, high neuroticism and low conscientiousness.
>>2424159
>White babies are anti-internationalist
It's all Yakub's fault!

>>2424151
Honestly it’s a shame, they seemed more successful than a bunch of other insurgencies. Still, reiterates the importance of trying to organize things out here. Salvation won’t come from above.

>>2424768
that's a lot of words to say "i agree with andrew cuomo"

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Do people still hate Tesla or was that just temporary?

>>2424890
last time i checked the ceo is still a nazi so yes

>>2424149
>Claims to center the international proletariat at the core of their politics
>Does nothing for the proletariat anywhere

>>2424901
That’s the irony of it, yknow there was this call to get a multiracial working class coalition, and the Weather Underground basically said “we’ll get the white people with white guilt”. So they’d do this thing where they would go to highschools and try to “jailbreak” the white highschool students by saying they were part of this system of exploitation and would have to make penance with violent revolution. They alienated tons of people with their “you’re either fighting to atone for being white or you’re a nazi” rhetoric. They praised Charles Manson for killing people. They became semi-famous for being assholes and so their plans on starting a civil war in the U.S. fell apart cause they had no allies.

There’s a moment where they called for a bunch of people to go to Chicago to basically tear the city apart, and so few people showed up that you actually have memoirs of a few of them saying they just kind of quietly hoped some miracle would happen and someone would save them.

All they really accomplished was embarrassing the left by proxy and getting themselves blown up while trying to build bombs. For a while people would point to The Weather Underground as the basically the grave marker of the New Left.

>>2424946
Youre making all that shit up because they bombed your pentagon and you hate black people, you imperialist pig

>>2424959
>We’re still haunted by the ghost of incompetent losers who got themselves killed and failed all their goals.

>>2424768
I think you're taking it out on the wrong people but yeah the poor really have been abandoned in favor of the nebulous "middle class."

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>>2424946
>So they’d do this thing where they would go to highschools and try to “jailbreak” the white highschool students by saying they were part of this system of exploitation and would have to make penance with violent revolution.
It was dumber than that, the idea was to run around the halls shouting "jailbreeaaak!!!" But it's also not clear whether they actually did this or just talked about doing it.

>>2424164
>It's another white nationalist pretending not to remember all his pro fascist, nationalist, and catholic posts while still pissing his pants about communist internationalism episode

>>2424964
You are almost correct. They totally succeeded because they still haunt racist ameriKKKan pigs to this day until you are slaughtered.

Why are current American politicians trying so hard to be epik memerz and shitposters? Just be normal evil bureauKKKrats with proper forms, is that too much to ask?

>>2424970
Yknow the amount of effort people put in to avoid actually talking to others and convincing them to support you is truly astounding sometimes. Reading how these guys talked gives off huge edgelord vibes.

>>2424096
Nothing will happen

>>2424973
The Left should be more aggressively proletarian but idk how to do this without inviting anti-intellectual QAnon shit. Like, should we start encouraging independent education and discouraging people from going to college? It might unironically be the solution since college is basically reserved for the petit-bourgeois these days with how expensive it is.

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>>2424096
Either Cucktin wants to play with the US further to hinder weapons being send to Ukkkraine and split the EU from them or he is actually that cucked since this pathetic attempt at overtaking the country is taking its toll on his bourgeoise colleagues which might also be possible

>>2424971
>>2424975
Are you actually defending the Weatherman's failure? And isn't saying certain babies belong in the trash because of their skin color also racist?
International coordination is necessary but the Weatherman clearly missed it by alienating their own countrymen by being racist themselves.

>>2424984
>being a retard on behalf of ndspusa anon

>>2424973
I can see where you’re coming from here my dude. I think part of it has to do with Leftism coming “from the text” in modern times (eg literature, theory, etc) rather than from union activity. Like it retreats from the actual class struggle to the realm of academic debate.

The union dude who punched out Crowder was a great roar of the “Old Left” as it were.

>>2424981
I mean I’d say the problem is less adopting anti intellectualism and “the right aesthetic” and more learning how to talk as workers talk and also telling the aggressive Third Worldist types to fuck off because they will alienate workers. Be less alienating rather than trying to look more proletarian.

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>>2424978
MIGA's response to the South Park episodes are literally just pic related and going "the left can't meme!" (South Park is the left now apparently)

>>2424981
>Like, should we start encouraging independent education and discouraging people from going to college?

Yeah, actually. Universities are just bourgeois indoctrination and job training centers. Working people should have their own academics and academic institutions. Intellectualism has to be reclaimed from the "elite" and the people taught to think for themselves again, especially as the bourgeoisie are working to lock up the internet and independent sources of information.

>>2424990
Truthnuke fr. All that's missing is a semi-centralized leadership. The fact that there's no leaders organizing this stuff honestly makes it even more impressive, people are doing this with no plan, no strategy, nothing.

>>2424990
Just say you're talking about Glowing Felix

>>2424995
The problem as I've experienced it is that primarily the groups many people are turning to are anarchist groups that view leading the proletariat as an imposition of authoritarian tyranny or radlibs like tempest collective that advocate for "Socialism from the bottom up" and also refuse to actually take any proactive steps to organize or lead people.

>>2424988
Don't kneejerk defend the Weatherman as some great symbol of internationalism just because he is attacking them. He clearly chose them because they are failures and said some stupid shit at the same time. If you must defend them then make a real argument for them. Or acknowledged their failure and shift the argument to other more positive examples of internationalism instead.

>>2424973
Yeah there is a weird elitism among some on the left that should be countered, though I think the Weathermen would be purveyors of that elitism, not its enemies.

>>2425009
I mean you’re correct in that I think they’re a failure and make a great example of what I’m talking about, but incorrect in assuming that the poster in question cares. What internationalism was to the weathermen (“throw that white pig baby in the garbage!”) is just what it is today for the modern third worldist. Asking them to switch is pointless because they have pretty much the same convictions as the weathermen.

Why was Castro at Epstein's?

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>>2425012
>What internationalism was to the weathermen (“throw that white pig baby in the garbage!”) is just what it is today for the modern third worldist.
Sure that's how third worldists see it but internationalism is older than them. And just because some third worldists have tried to hijack an idea for their own ends doesn't mean we need to throw the baby out with the bath water.

>>2424096
>"I could have you arrested, you know? ;-)"
<"I could have you nuked, you know? :-|"
>:O :O :O :O :O :O
A few hours later on Trump's personal Twitter:
>"We couldn't reach an agreement and he had to leave early. Very rude, he was. Putin ought to know better than being rude to world leaders."
Back in Trump's room:
>QQ Why does he hate me! What the fuck! QQ

>>2425020
I agree we need to be organizing now and not waiting for things to get worse.

>>2425027
>But have you read the theory of the people who said Charles Manson was based? Why are you being so prejudiced against them?

Yknow I’ve got nothing against you personally but I don’t really care what theory they wrote; once they talk about throwing babies in garbage my opinion of them is set.

>>2425026
I tend to weigh what I can observe over flowery ideals, and internationalism at its worst, from what I’ve seen, is just inviting a bunch of random assholes to yell obscenities at you while holding that nothing good can ever happen within your lifetime because “imperialism.” At its best? It’s just penpals. That’s all I’ve seen of it at least, and when pushing back on some assholes insisting “we’re gonna make your life worse for internationalism” I’ve yet to see someone offer a positive example of internationalism—instead they stay mum until I say “well then why should we be internationalists”—at which point they rush to its defense; which to me just looks like “let other people walk over you”

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Here's your based anti imperialist bro

>>2425020
>but really, has anyone of our people won? Did Joe Slovo really even win when 80%+ of the land is still owned by white settlers?

>We are warriors in a war that has persisted for millennia, the class war. The kings vs the peasants, the workers vs the oligarchs. The fact that the oligarchs, the capitalists, still persists means we have not won.


>Fuck me mate even the USSR collapsed.


>This has affected us on a deep psychological level. The revolutionary optimism has been suppressed by talk of "revolutionary conditions" and endless debates on what should be done. Because if you are debating, you aren't acting.


ehhh
being a Communist necessarily means you'll always be the underdog fighting against a seemingly indestructible enemy that will always have more resources than you. The struggle for Communism isn't a straight line of progress, there will be many times when we lose the battle to expand the war. That's like, insurgency 101. Many times you have to take what you can get and settle for disrupting the operations of the bourgeois or radicalizing their children in the hopes the next generation can build off of what you leave them.

If Mao had given up during the Long March when it looked like the Communists were facing complete defeat China wouldn't be the economic powerhouse it is today.

I'm not saying conditions look great right now, but honestly it feels like all we need is better online propaganda and cultural penetration. The normies are so domesticated that it feels like the only thing standing between American Communism is a better more radical version of Hasan agitating and radicalizing the youth. Luigi showed the cracks in the system. It's extremely vulnerable if you're willing to be politically ruthless and strategic. Unfortunately the Left in the west is very corrupted by moralist puritan garbage and it's difficult to convince people to take up radical methods that might offend someone's sensibilities.

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>>2424978
Not gonna happen. This is America, being corny and cringe is basically in our lifeblood

>>2425043
This shit is borderline blasphemy

>>2425044
Didn’t they send Trump some big idol made of dollar bills with his face on it? Pretty sure they wrote “In Trump We Trust” in place of God.

They’re all in on worshipping the antichrist.

>>2425043
The Father, the Son, the Kiddy Diddler and the Couch Fucker

>>2425044
>>2425047
Trump could ask these guys to get a 666 tattooed on their foreheads to own the libs and they'd do it

I went thru some fox news YouTube comment sections on 2 videos about Israel and most of the comments were anti Israel

>>2425052
>I went thru some fox news YouTube comment sections on 2 videos about Israel and most of the comments were anti Israel
You know the Zionists are a lost cause when they've alienated the Fox News boomers. Even at the very beginning, they were the only demographic that approved of Israel.

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>>2425047
It's not the anti-christ. It's the demiurge pulling another one of his tricKKKs

>>2425050
I said this before but I think subconsciously a lot of these crazy right wing Christians recognize how insanely vile they appear, so when they try to depict the antichrist he’s given qualities that really just make him seem like a well-meaning normal guy. Like I think the left behind books had some scene as evidence of his evil that he’s dating some former prostitute or whatever. Like they think saying “what she did before we got together is none of my business” is this supernatural charisma that hypnotizes the masses rather than being a normal position that people can respect. Meanwhile they ignore the douchebag Rich guy with a gold fetish because he’s not saying the shit that normal people agree with.

>>2425046
>you have to think about why Hasan exists and why his line is the way it is, in relation to the capitalist super structure as well as his own position within that super structure. His uncle is the founder of the young turks, he comes from a much, much higher class background than you or I. These thing determine his political line as well as his reach. It's a lot easier to become someone with reach when you have the higher class position, and this higher class position means you'll have a less radical line, which is also good because that's the only way to get a major audience on a mainstream, capitalist owned platform. Twitch could, at anytime, just remove Hasan, they don't. This is intentional.
I get it but at the same time I get somewhat frustrated with Leftists refusing to create anything and just getting mad that existing platforms aren't friendly to the Left. Like obviously Twitch and Youtube represent Capital, they're only gonna promote capital-friendly "Leftists" like Hasan that don't rock the boat. The goal of any Leftist content creator on those platforms should be to build an audience and then FUNNEL YOUR AUDIENCE OFF THOSE PLATFORMS. Use your clout as a creator to support Left-wing causes and build Left-wing social media that can be used to attract young people as an alternative to Twitter, Twitch, Youtube, etc.

Bit of a tangent but I've tried time and again to start using decentralized platforms like Matrix and Mastodon for hobby shit but, and I assume this is also why many "left-leaning" people don't just go all-in on free speech open source platforms, people on the Left seem to have vastly different views of what a "free" internet should look like and don't like when it includes people they don't like. They don't want to share a platform with pedophiles, nazis, etc and just block them from their feed, so they inevitably go back to Twitter and Youtube and Twitch and praise daddy credit card company for telling them what they're allowed to view.

I cannot stress enough we need to purge the puritan elements of the modern Left before our internet ecoystem can begin to thrive and grow. Until then we'll have to settle for Leftist discussions on Reddit where you're not allowed to discuss armed struggle unless it's supported by the State Department. Or this dead and dying North Korean basket weaving forum that is a spinoff of an already dead neo-nazi website that is a spinoff of 4chan.

Maxwell status?

>>2425036
>At its best? It’s just penpals.
That's not bad. Besides most people take internationalism just to mean international cooperation. You'd have an easier time just using the word to your liking and appealing to the larger lefty leaning audience instead of dumping on the entire idea in order to get at third worldists.

>>2424984
Yes. The worst enemies of the proletariat seethe eternal over them


>>2425063
>…I assume this is also why many "left-leaning" people don't just go all-in on free speech open source platforms, people on the Left seem to have vastly different views of what a "free" internet should look like and don't like when it includes people they don't like. They don't want to share a platform with pedophiles, nazis, etc and just block them from their feed…
These "free speech" sites like Gab were intended from the beginning to be Nazi bars. No, I *don't* want to share a platform with fascists or pedophiles, I want to *destroy* fascism and pedophilia. Besides, they don't have to worry, Elon Musk and the Trump Administration is in their corner.
>But that means you don't like le Free Speech
I don't abide by bourgeois liberal mores.

>>2425073
They're just rich white college students who ended up becoming liberals though.

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>>2425039
>The commissioners just cut the Sheriff Departments budget … why just why would a city …
She made me look this up and that shit isn't even true, they're getting a 12% increase in their funding. Also it's not the city which handles the sheriff's department but the county. What a goddamned moron.

The investment chief at $10 trillion giant Vanguard says it’s time to pivot away from U.S. stocks

https://fortune.com/2025/07/24/the-investment-chief-at-10-trillion-giant-vanguard-says-its-time-to-pivot-away-from-u-s-stocks/

>>2423422
>The general public *are* sheep
t.
>npcs
damn, /pol/ is still using the word npc? some classy stuff, there, pol.

>>2425084
>These "free speech" sites like Gab were intended from the beginning to be Nazi bars. No, I *don't* want to share a platform with fascists or pedophiles, I want to *destroy* fascism and pedophilia. Besides, they don't have to worry, Elon Musk and the Trump Administration is in their corner.
The problem is the Right dominates the mainstream sites as well so…what are you gonna do? You need to create platforms that allow free speech where users can publicly shame nazis instead of just crying to the jannies because it's the primary means of creating consensus and building platforms. Look how quickly /pol/ went to shit(well it was always shit) when it got an influx of Nazis that just outnumbered the Leftist posters and spammed the board until they were able to create a consensus that "/pol/ belongs to nazis" among the userbase.

To think about it differently, it's also about better optics/advertising. Promoting your platform as Nazi-free does nothing to attract new users, even fellow Leftists, while promoting your platform as a "free speech zone" and then slowly culling the nazis organically through cyberbullying and doxxing will result in the best possible ecosystem.

Like, for all Reddit does to "fight extremism" do you actually consider it a good platform for communicating political messaging? Heavy-handed censorship literally ALWAYS benefits the bourgeois. They always have the resources to manipulate the rules in their favor. I feel like nothing good has come from this era of people wanting their social circle to perfectly match their worldview. It just results in overly insular communities that are extremely abrasive and neurotic, always infighting and angry at eachother over perceived injustices.

>>2425071
While I wish that was the case, yknow about the vegan-climate change divide? Basically if you involve yourself in environmental activism you might run into this argument along the lines of: “you can’t be a real environmentalist unless you’re a vegan, carnivore diets are the biggest contributor to climate change, no matter what else you do, so long as you aren’t vegan you’re still contributing to it.” Now for as much as I’m concerned about climate change, I love some bacon and eggs and jerky; give me a choice between an impossible burger and a real burger and I’ll choose the real burger. It’s not out of ignorance, I’ve heard their arguments, but I simply can’t be a Vegan. Say it ain’t in my nature.

Now that’d be fine and dandy if it weren’t for the insistence that whatever good I’d do for some environmentalist movement would be declared completely null by the fact I’m not a vegan. The question to me at that point becomes: “why bother?” If what I’m doing is pointless because of one intractable issue, why do anything? Hell, if anything I’d feel scammed—like going through the effort to fix some broken fridge on my own only to find out it has some special software that only the company that made it can use, and now the thing is bricked. I would be frustrated with all the wasted effort I put in. In fact, I’d probably warn people to stay away so they don’t waste time like I did.

There’s no real right to opt out, simply put. I’m told you have to care about this one issue in this one way, or whatever else in the movement is simply not for me. I’m shown the door. You’re either all in or all out. If someone comes in and says “I hope you all die, free Chagos” and I’m say “well then I don’t give a fuck about Chagos” I’m failing some international duty. I’m expected to nod along and pretend I like the asshole talking shit in front of me. If some third worldist insists that communism means making things worse around here intentionally for some third worlders that they insist hate us and want to kill us all, then fuck the third world; I’m in this to try and solve homelessness out here, not turn time back to the Stone Age to repent for sins I don’t even believe in.

What’s that Marx quote about a class developing consciousness when it ceases to be in itself and starts being for itself? Well the way I see it I’m simply acting for my class; which is to say the American working class.
>”No no no, you don’t get it, the working class has no nation!”
So I should be satisfied winding up homeless because somewhere, some third worlder is less exploited? To me that seems no different than a nationalist saying I should accept not having healthcare for the good of the fatherland. I’m simply told I’m part of this group, the material and social benefits of which I’ll never see, and should cease acting for myself in the name of some invisible others. Suddenly I and my coworkers should stop acting as a class for itself when it comes to the third world. I should simply be content knowing someone somewhere, a worker, is enjoying something we’ll never have. I’m expected to make all the pointless sacrifices of extreme nationalism or religious piety but without even the promise of anything good coming after.

Roland Mehrez Beainy, owner of the recently opened Trump Burger restaurant in Houston, is currently facing deportation after failing to leave the U.S. on time and being arrested by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2025/08/08/trump-burger-owner-faces-deportation-after-ice-arrest-in-houston/

>>2425063
Goal should be to organize the tech workers and seize the propaganda machine actually. What do you think Facebook and YouTube would do if their engineers walked out demanding less far-right content on YouTube? Well eventually they'd fire them and replace them with Indians. But that's good actually, it'd fundamentally destabilize America and the propaganda machine.

>>2424151
The Naxalites will win their Maoist PPW to overthrow the Hindutva Fascist Indian State when the inevitable World War III between the U$ and PRC escalates into a Global Nuclear War (including a Nuclear Exchange between India and Pakistan that will destroy both Comprador Bourgeois States), the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR (The SSRs and SFSRs of the Global USSR are shown in the Map I posted, and I plan on posting an improved version of this Map by the end of this month, which will finally divide Sub-Saharan Africa into an appropriate number of SSRs based on its Ethno-Linguistic demographics, which I have been thoroughly researching over the last few months) that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2425114
I don't think that "seizing the propaganda machine" would be as popular as you think it is among the proletariat. Most people don't really feel threatened by mean words on the internet they just want a free and convenient platform to communicate with their friends.

China only succeeds at controlling their internet because of the immense trust the people have in the government due to its consistent success. I doubt your sjw tech worker movement would be as well received.

>What do you think Facebook and YouTube would do if their engineers walked out demanding less far-right content on YouTube? Well eventually they'd fire them and replace them with Indians. But that's good actually, it'd fundamentally destabilize America and the propaganda machine.

The funny thing is they ALREADY TRIED THIS when Twitter and Facebook employees started demanding the bosses to deal with the extremism on their sites. And yes, you're right they're being actively replaced by Indians. Not even because of that though but just because it saves money. Tech workers don't have any bargaining power in the current political climate.

I wish I could better articulate my views on this subject but I feel like a lot of it is based on a mix of personal values and political pragmatism that is difficult to instill in someone that doesn't see it on their own.

Here's an example
https://boards.4chan.org/vt/thread/103253247
Visa and Mastercard censoring Steam is somehow becoming a rallying cry for the Right as the next Gamergate. Why aren't we getting ahead of this? It's literally a left-wing issue, why is the right receiving all the political benefit from it? Because leftists online think it's really funny to "own" the gooners for crying about their porn game. Absolutely baffles me. Meanwhile the Right can easily twist it into "look at how they want to take THING away from you! they think you shouldn't have THING! the ELITES are trying to control your life!" and this naturally resonates with people that are politically alienated and frustrated with the constant puritanical bullshit of the Liberal order. Of course the Right's solution to this is making a platform where you can say uyghur and openly plan KKK cross burnings with your buddies without consequence. Why isn't the Left capable of creating a space that is y'kno…based on tolerance of all those except the intolerant? It seems like such a simple idea: let people get together and discuss their hobbies and create art and not control what they do or think or produce so long as it's not being used to endanger others? Just give people a microphone in a public space and let them say whatever dumb shit they want and if you don't like what they have to say just kick them in the balls instead of crying to the mods. It's so much more fun and diverse.

Come to think of it, if I had to grow up in the current internet era I might've very well become a chud. The idea of people telling me I can't say or do certain things just innately makes me want to do those things just to test the boundaries. The idea you're only allowed to interact in sanitized spaces with "approved" speech just makes you wanna break the rules and piss off the jannies even more. I find it hard to believe a magical Leftist utopia where tech companies censor content based on the party line wouldn't have these kinds of people that just lash out harder the more you try to control them. Even people who otherwise have no interest in racism might be tempted to throw out a slur just because they see it makes the "normies" upset. eg my entire experience on Xbox Live as a kid.

>>2425109
Pffff hahaha fuckin loser

>>2425117
Liberals are Nazi recruiters (same as social-fascists). You do not hate liberals enough.

>>2425109
>Come to America
>Open Trump Burger
>Get deported back to Mexico
>Hire a white guy to pretend to run Trump Burger
>Collect millions from Trump Burger off of racist white MAGAs that think they're supporting a white working class business
Actually I'm thinking this might be based idk. If I were an immigrant with the capability to get a small business loan I'd do it.

>>2425119
I think we're at a bit of a disagreement here because I view Liberals as the bleeding heart types that want to censor speech and constantly cry about social media platforms not "controlling" their content.
I know that doesn't really align with traditional Liberalism but it's where American Liberalism is at right now. It's the line all the Democrats in congress are pushing, holding tech companies accountable for uh…not banning anti-zionist speech and all that.

And that's the other issue, if you start curating your platform to only show content you personally agree with, it's only a matter of time until the bourgeois worm their way up your corporate ladder and start putting their fingers on the scale. I just don't have any faith in a "Leftist" social media site that only bans nazis and doesn't overreach to alienate normal people. It'll never happen.

>>2425117
>Visa and Mastercard censoring Steam is somehow becoming a rallying cry for the Right as the next Gamergate.

To be fair, the right’s winning on this cause it was a feminist that started it.

>>2425122
This is gonna sound extremely chuddy but have online feminists done anything good for the Left in the past 20 years? Feels like any time some reactionary shit is popping off it's because a self-proclaimed feminist took it upon herself to collaborate with Capital. Maybe I should preface with the fact they probably aren't really feminist in terms of theory, they just want to be soldiers in a culture war and adopt the label to represent a side in the conflict.

Man, I’m out here about a hair’s breadth from sounding like the Unabomber. The medium is the fucking message and social media is basically designed to rot your brain. At best it has to be fundamentally redesigned from the ground up

>>2425124
I don't think this is inherently the case. Social Media under Capitalism is designed to rot your brain because that maximizes engagement/ad revenue. But you can have like…free and public platforms that don't rely on ads or care about making a profit and just exist to give people a way to talk to eachother and spread ideas. And it doesn't inherently require moderation at all beyond preventing spam or other content manipulation.

We need to bring back Goatse tbqh.

>>2425123
Gonna see your controversial statement and match you: The Right always outmaneuvers the left on these issues because on the Right, having a personal hatred for Visa and Mastercard isn’t an incompatible position; or at least won’t get you yelled at and told to leave. On the Left, having a personal hatred of feminism is.

Shit I just said I wasn’t a feminist a couple threads back and was told it’s simply incomprehensible to be a socialist but not a feminist.

In the end the right will win these issues because the simple fact is that to take the “left” side on this requires you to rub shoulders with the same feminists grumbling that GTA is sexist. You’re not allowed to say “I don’t like these people and won’t support them.”

>>2425108
You don't need to give up the high ground through. Using old school labels like environmentalist or internationalist has positive connotations and core ideas that still have value.
You can call still yourself an environmentalist while insisting that vegans who say you need to be vegan to care about the environment are objectively wrong. Maybe they have some point about the current amount of meat consumption being unsustainable but that's not the same as eliminating it all together. So why give them control of the title environmentalist when you can claim it yourself and then point out they are wrong? Why warm people away from all environmentalist ideas just because some vegans claim it all? Instead just warm people about the vegans.

Same thing with third worldists or any other position that is objectively wrong. They might claim to stand for the larger communist movement, the third world, internationalism but if they are wrong then there is no need to let them define the argument. They are framing it as Americans vs the third world. But why accept their framing of the situation at all?

>>2425129
> I don't think this is inherently the case. Social Media under Capitalism is designed to rot your brain because that maximizes engagement/ad revenue

The problem is that as you just said social media as it is can’t be separated from the context that formed it. These incentives are built into how it’s designed, right down to the recommendation algorithms and user interface. It’s a perfect example of artifacts having politics

>>2425130
Personally I try to challenge feminists on their beliefs, like how is censoring video games conducive to improving living conditions for women in the real world? And it usually just boils down to the debunked "video games cause violence" shit from the 90's. I don't want to retreat from these discussions just because you'll get ostracized. They need to happen. People need to be challenged on their ideas and it they don't stand up to scrutiny they need to be called out.

>>2425132
>The problem is that as you just said social media as it is can’t be separated from the context that formed it. These incentives are built into how it’s designed, right down to the recommendation algorithms and user interface. It’s a perfect example of artifacts having politics
That's why I don't think simply censoring social media "but in a way the Left agrees with" is the solution. These platforms were built under a Capitalist framework. Whatever we build has to be something totally different and separate and operate in a way that doesn't "curate" or force shit through an algorithm. Unironically we gotta go back to geocities and turn social media into an outward expression of ourselves instead of just a feed of media to consume and people to argue with.

>>2424982
Heheh
Teleports Behind You & Updates Honorary Crackkka List To Include Turks
Nothing Personnel Kid

>>2425135
Ben Franklin is correct though as people in my Pennsylvania Dutch family have been mistaken for people of color.
Apparently my uncle's nickname in high school was uyghur. I might need to get the hell out of here.

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>>2425136
>Apparently my uncle's nickname in high school was uyghur.
Marx was called "The Moor" by his family due to being so dark.

>>2424008
Yeah sad and pathetic all around. Still he's right that the state is going after him more than it warrants in order to defend Jewish supremacism. I wonder what his beef with Asians was.

>>2425123
>This is gonna sound extremely chuddy but have online feminists done anything good for the Left in the past 20 years?
Biggest thing they've ever done in the 21st Century so far is support the war in Afghanistan. An absolutely spent movement.

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>>2425136
damn we got amish on /leftypol/? funny story i once visited bookstore near a girlfriend in central PA amish country, half the books were in german and they had 19th century editions of marx

>>2425150
>they had 19th century editions of marx

holy shit how expensive were they? I bet they would resell at a high price online

>>2425150
Not Amish, just Pennsylvania German. The "Fancy Dutch" I believe is the term the Amish would use.

>>2425121
well, that's why you need to organize the workers (until they're offshored to India, then the Indian workers need to organize).

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Someone said to me the other day "Students only protested against the Vietnam War in the USA because they were opposed to getting drafted, not because they were imposed to imperialism."

I think this is incomplete. I think many (but maybe not enough) Americans who protested the Vietnam war opposed it not merely because they were opposed to the draft, but because they recognized that it was in the interests of both the Vietnamese and US masses to oppose the war, and really only the US ruling class benefited from it. And if the shared interest was there, yes, of course, one half of that shared interest is the self-interest, and the interest of The Other takes the back seat.

A big part of the "Left Wing" discourse in the USA involves basically going "Americans never want the right thing, and if they do it's for the wrong (selfish) reasons."

But people form large political blocs based around their interests, be they class interests or interests of identity.

We see something similar now with conservatives becoming more "Isolationist" compared to the 9/11 days. People say "well these were the same people who did the war on terror." Sort of. Not exactly. It's the next generation. Some of the same faces are still there but they're fading into irrelevance. And other faces, like Trump, weren't in political power (at least not state power) for the GWOT era. Some of the people who were around for both eras like Tucker changed their tune from raging about "ragheads" in "mud huts" to opposing Israel's genocide of Palestinians, even if for opportunistic reasons.

When Newton invented calculus it was to track rates of change in the internal characteristics and external relations of observable phenomena. Marxists look at the world through a sort of political calculus. They do not treat groups of people as static metaphysical entities who never change. They always keep dialectical processes in mind because very quickly history can change a group of people from relatively "backwards" to something else entirely, the way Russia went from a semi-feudal peasant country to a nuclear spacefaring proletarian superpower.

Keep your eye on the ball.

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interesting excerpt from >>>/edu/22850 Age of Extremes highly relevant to the USA

Bresidents oft he Unnted Stats

>>2425163
>Someone said to me the other day "Students only protested against the Vietnam War in the USA because they were opposed to getting drafted, not because they were imposed to imperialism."
No way Ziggers are this dumb. Really? Ziggers think revolutions happen cause of geopolitics and not class warfare?

>>2425169
>barrac hussein obamna looks italian
lol

>>2425191
Good luck, the reasons you will not stop hearing about them is because like a lot of big cities they are extremely corrupt on top of the large populations, if they did not exist you would barely hear anything.

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>hey, where you guys from? you antifas?
<eh?
>im a nazi, come come

>>2425163
>Students only protested against the Vietnam War in the USA because they were opposed to getting drafted, not because they were imposed to imperialism.
<Russian peasants only supported the Bolsheviks because they wanted land reform, not because they supported communism

>>2425278
everybody in the video was brown

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Zohran status?

>>2425309
"I'm personally being gangstalked by Zohran supporters!" Ok bud, sure.
Although yeah it is a little weird that those posters are going up in Australia, a completely different continent than the one NYC is in.

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>>2425313
>yeah it is a little weird that those posters are going up in Australia
I wonder if the australians that put it up are always interested in american politics or because socialism is getting popular everywhere

honkoid status?

>>2425309
If anyone is in Aussieland please put up as many radlib posters near that mans area just to fuck with him personally, start organizing gangstalking schizophrenics.

>>2425329
he lives in brisbane but if i knew people there i'd ask them to do it, just to piss him off, he's also going to prison soon lol

>>2425109
classic burger punk politics, with the chickens coming home to roost.

>>2425300
Yes but the rest of the post after that part was the point

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Who would you vote for in an election between Pol Pot and Trump?

>>2425371
Write in campaign for Lê Duẩn

The only good decision by RFK Jr so far has been moving to classify 7-OH as schedule 1 to get it off the shelves of gas stations and vape shops

>JUST IN - Former Vice President Kamala Harris claims she’s not running for office again because the system is ‘broken,’ per Fortune.

awww UwU, kkkopmala is broken.

>>2425278
this is america… o algo

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>>2425183
>ziggers
1. wrong thread for this
2. NATO caused the war

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>Grindr backpedals after online backlash, will allow users to display "No Zionists" in profile preferences three days after disabling the option
insane that they thought it was a good idea to begin with when shit like 'no trans' has always been allowed

>>2424125
Luigi Mangione and Aaron Bushnell are better examples imo

>>2425123
>This is gonna sound extremely chuddy but have online feminists done anything good for the Left in the past 20 years?
Online activists do so much damage to their own causes. Like you have online autism activists screeching about how evil you are for saying the words stupid and lame, or calling you a Nazi for still identifying as having Asperger's. It doesn't do anything for causes except make a mockery of them and making less people take them seriously.

>>2425428
>Luigi Mangione and Aaron Bushnell are better examples imo

yeah but those are random dudes. JRA shows what happens when it's the program of an entire org

>>2425428
>Aaron Bushnell
The Nazi who set himself on fire for a publicity stunt?

>>2425469
>being against the genocide of palestinians makes you a nazi
who would say such a thing


>>2424125
It briefly worked against monarchists cause their power structure depended on the bloodline of a single family, so a single act of terrorism could put a dumbass teen monarch on power. But against liberal democracies it's useless. It's just a legacy of the 18th and 19th century. Now terrorism is just a symptom of decay, like pogroms.

>>2425122
So far, this has mostly been a everyone vs. terfs momemt. The radlibs are willing to look past the content being censored just because they see a very real threat of Visa/Mastercard capitulating to Trump if he ever takes issue with works that the radlibs value

>>2425502
It didn't work back then either. The Romanovs weren't collectively executed as a family until they had already abdicated, got taken into custody under the Bourgeois February Revolutionary government, and then executed by the Bolshevik October Revolutionary government. So they were already disempowered before being taken out, whether or not you call it "terrorism," the final blow didn't come until after socialists were already in power in the capitol city (though it was contested power during a civil war).

What's remarkable was that during the era of random terror, monarchs weren't even targeted as often as random state officials. For example the lady who shot Lenin, Fanny Kaplan, had also assassinated tsarist officials. And these officials, though usually unelected, were not in hereditary positions either. They were appointed.

>>2425521
It worked in Nepal, granted no one knows exactly why Dipendra did it but it certainly accelerated the civil war in Nepal at the time

>>2425471
No actually it’s the fact that he willingly joined the army and dedicated his immolation to the Nazi organization he was part of that helped coup Ukraine

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>>2425122
nonsense
>>2425123
>have online feminists done anything good for the Left in the past 20 years?
feminists in general have not done anything good in the last ~40 years
>>2425129
>We need to bring back Goatse tbqh.
based
>>2425130
>having a personal hatred for Visa and Mastercard isn’t an incompatible position; or at least won’t get you yelled at and told to leave. On the Left, having a personal hatred of feminism is.
bullshit, even if that were true, do you suppose that it matters at all?
>You’re not allowed to say “I don’t like these people and won’t support them.”
you are "allowed" and that is self-evident; as you do
>>2425144
>the push back against this censorship has been primarily by, you guessed it, women and queer people.
this is also what i have witnessed
>grassroots
why are you obsessed with this concept? what benefit does it actually bring, what is the meaningful distinction to you?
i only skimmed his wikipedia, neville seems like a modern engels type.


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>>2425531
>>You’re not allowed to say “I don’t like these people and won’t support them.”
>you are "allowed" and that is self-evident; as you do
he's allowed to do it here as this place is nearly unmoderated. if he did it in a real org he'd get kicked out.

>>2425534
He was actually very close and friendly with Bill and Hill until he ran in 2015. He was praising her on camera as late as 2011.

>>2425530
it's not obvious that's the angle you were coming.

>>2425531
>feminists in general have not done anything good in the last ~40 years
fellas should I trust the self described rape fiend who quotes marquis de sade

>>2425535
i doubt that as he is already in an org i would assume, and if an org really did expel a member for simply saying "i am not a feminist" they are clearly not an org worth anything. we are still discussing collective shout aren't we?

>>2425130
Fascusa anon once again taking the reactionary side

>>2425117
>Why aren't we getting ahead of this?

Tumblr leftists are years ahead of you. They've been warning people about this shit since before KOSA.

>>2425122
>>2425130
Of course the catholic mf himself says this. As if the the group isn't a christian theocrat front critised by "woke feminists" everyday. Yeah and the nazis were socialists huh.

>>2425502
>>2425521
Assassination and terrorism are part of warfare but they alone don't change the political system. If used correctly they can destabilize the political system and make it weaker. But ultimately you are supposed to have a larger force to actually break the old system and take over.
>>2425541
But is he wrong?

>>2425541
>trust
you really don't need to trust anything i say, if you have evidence to the contrary i'd be happy to correct myself.
>self described
its a name not a description, dolt.
>>2425544
he really hasn't expressed support for anything truly reactionary though, has he?
>>2425546
i have never used the site, but from what i have seen the most vocal and visible sectors of that "community" are much more inline with collective shout than opposed to it.

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>>2425565
the quirky girl next door

>>2425531
>feminists in general have not done anything good in the last ~40 years

I agree seeing how Feminism mostly started out as bourgeoisie women wanting a bigger slice of the pie and not giving a crap about working class women.

Not to mention how the anti-sex, anti-porn tendencies of liberal (especially American/English/Australian) Feminism, especially liberal feminism starts to mirror American Protestant religious conservatives who want to do the same thing. It all boils down to that whole "Video Games will make you Violent" argument has has been debunked so many times.

>>2425557
>i'm just a science reason and evidence enjoyer
please tell me what the evidence for rape being good is

>>2425546
what is KOSA? sorry for ignorance

>>2425117
>Why isn't the Left capable of creating a space that is y'kno…based on tolerance of all those except the intolerant?
because nobody agrees on what constitutes tolerance vs. intolerance

>>2425598
stood for Kids Online Safety Act, it's very similar to any modern legislation that attempts to do the same thing, implement age verification, etc, it's really all a load of bullshit

>>2425593
who said anything about rape being good?

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>>2425617
>i just quote marquis de sade and call myself mr. rape fiend to provoke people to talk about me
oh ok

>>2425565
Boy that Maxwell lady ain't right I tell you h'what

So uh, Trump is really going to win that peace prize, yeah? Both the parties of the Thai-Cambodia and the Azerbaijan-Armenia conflict have nominated him by now, lmao.

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>>2423755
Why not just ACK politicians instead? They are targeting the symptom and not the rot higher at the top.
Priorities, people. Hits should be a fairly common occurrence in this day and age.

>>2425668
We're all aware that National Socialism means moral decay, tell us something new

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>>2425668
hell yeah brother

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>>2425669
>moral decay

>>2425415
Why are algerians number 1

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cost-of-living-income-quality-of-life

Most Americans don't earn enough to afford basic costs of living, analysis finds

>The gap between what Americans earn and how much they need to bring in to achieve a basic standard of living is growing, according to a new report.


>The analysis, from the Ludwig Institute for Shared Economic Prosperity (LISEP), looks beyond whether people can afford daily necessities like food and shelter to consider whether they have the means to pay for things like the technology tools necessary for their jobs, higher education, and health and child care.


>LISEP tracks costs associated with what the research firm calls a "basket of American dream essentials." The group says its Minimal Quality of Life index provides a truer picture of how Americans are faring than standard economic data, such as the nation's gross domestic product and jobless rate. The index captures the annual change in the typical costs facing low- and moderate-income households who are looking to maintain a basic quality of life.


>"We analyze these components not just in terms of financial figures but as crucial elements that shape a family's capability to achieve a desirable standard of living," the group explains in a paper describing its approach.


<The findings? For the bottom 60% of U.S. households, a "minimal quality of life" is out of reach, according to the group, a research organization focused on improving lower earners' economic well-being.


>"The middle class has been declining — we just haven't recognized it fully," LISEP Chairman Gene Ludwig told CBS MoneyWatch. "It's really dangerous because it's the kind of thing that leads to social unrest, and it's not fair. The American dream is not that it's given to you — it's that if you work hard, you have a chance to get ahead and achieve the things in life that you want to achieve. It's not living in a tent, not having to steal."


<The Ludwig Institute also says that the nation's official unemployment rate of 4.2% greatly understates the level of economic distress around the U.S. Factoring in workers who are stuck in poverty-wage jobs and people who are unable to find full-time employment, the U.S. jobless rate now tops 24%, according to LISEP, which defines these groups as "functionally unemployed."


Man there's so many conditions that'd be right for social unrest if there were a group that could leverage it.

>>2425674
Turkey is number 1. I mean he's floating over the rest. He's literally ascending

Dem.C3Is are afraid

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this is the kind of shit analysis that is lowkey encouraging the trump admin into doing a military strike against mexico. you have to be some sort of retard to think an arbitrary intervention would do anything for sheinbaum's approval numbers, other than further galvanize them

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>>2425684
History has shown that every time a country gets attacked and bombed, the patriotism and support for the government of its population RISES instead of decreasing. That's why nowadays the preferred method of rising internal discontent against an enemy nation is blockades and embargoes.
That being said, fuck MIGA and the MORENAzis. I'm m 100% spreading revolutionary defeatism here in Mexico before inevitably being drone'd to death by cartel or Palantir operated drone.

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>>2425680
>these ideologies are banned
>no purity politics btw

>>2425686
it's already schedule iii. what else can he do besides decriminalize it?

>>2425690
There was some Democratic centrist thinktank that tried coming up with a "compromise" on weed where its legal, but everytime you go to buy it the dispensary has to tell you how much weed you've bought there in some kind of peer pressure "Woah, slow down smokey, don't you think you're a little too high?" sort of deal.

>>2425677
Shame your fake ass "communist" party calls for class collaboration and voting for more Democrats instead of insurrection.

>>2425693
Y'know I think the most stunning thing is hearing older and more established boomers talk about things like the job market or what have you and revealing just how little they actually know about life for the majority of the country.

Like I think it was morning Joe, but there was some old boomer news anchor saying shit like "Nah, see, I get why kids like Socialism. They're just exiting college, just starting their careers, probably only making $100k a year…"

Like it's genuinely hard to tell sometimes whether these idiots in congress and the like genuinely believe that things are "fine" for the majority of Americans.

>>2425689
Unironically better adherence to democratic centralism and party discipline than the DSA and their "we want to be a big tent multi-tendency coalition of Maoists, SocDems, Trotskyists, anarchists, Stalinists, etc.!"


>>2425684
It's probably intentional? The media often seems to wag the dog with these fake articles urging Trump to "not do X because it would totally hurt your enemies please don't do it!" and they've never encountered a war they haven't supported. Even military action in Mexico is seen as a big ratings boost so they're all for it.

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>>2425684
nah, fam. it's probably more related to this:

>>2425693
>top 10% of the population does more than 50% of the spending, whereas the bottom 60% does effectively none of the economic spending

I agree with the point you're trying to make after saying this but this sounds statistically dubious and probably relies on lumping in investing with "spending". But the whole point of the capitalist class is that they invest more than they spend. The working class spends on things they need, which is why they're always broke, because the things they need (shelter), food, water) eats up their entire paycheck. The ruling class gets paid more than is required for their survival, which gives them reserves which can be reinvested in profitable enterprise, leading to capital accumulation.

The ruling class does not spend as much as they hoard, then they invest that accumulated hoard into profitable means of production, labor power, raw materials, and real estate, which will then generate more profit for them which can be further reinvested in expanding production, which is different from spending, because spending expects no return on investment, while investment is done for the purpose of getting out more money than you put in.

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>>2425699
>Nah, see, I get why kids like Socialism. They're just exiting college, just starting their careers, probably only making $100k a year…

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This guy debates college kids

>>2425711
why does he look like that

>>2425705
>Have Maduro arrested
>Obtain 50m from the US govt
>buy yourself a private jet to immediately vacate the country
>Kill Trump
>Obtain 40m from the Iranian govt
>use all your money to move to an undisclosed private island
>Total profit 90m
>invest that money through proxies and 10x it
>you are now a billionaire
>fund riots and destabilize the US through sporadic, unpredictable insurgencies
>??????
>profit more out of that
>rinse and repeat

>>2425705
Maduro loved One piece so much he got a bounty from the world government IRL.

>>2425711
they cut off the guy when he tried to say "you debate maoists and people who champion abortion" because I presume that guy was basically trying to say "if you debate these peoplek why not debate fuentes?"

it's kinda funny how the guy asking the question is a toilet paper usa chapter prez

>>2425718
Nicolas D Maduro

>>2425684
I think the term is "crackpot realism".

>>2425709
Unironically what I was thinking of. Had some old dude come through my line a few years back, look me straight in the eye, and say:
>"They're saying no one wants to work anymore, but you wanna know what I call it? Lazy Worker Syndrome."

ALGEMEINER'S DAVID COHEN: Is it your sense that Jewish people are getting complacent, that they're not engaging to degrees and levels we should be?

ADL CEO JONATHAN GREENBLATT: I have met a lot of October 8th Jews for whom the massacre on October 7th was a wake-up call. I've met a lot of people who feel much more galvanized, much more organized. But that will only be sustained if we offer them, you know, ways to participate in a real and robust way in Jewish life.

COHEN: And whose responsibility is that?

GREENBLATT: All of ours. But like, this is why we need a revolution in our community, on so many levels. So look, the reality is is that intermarriage rates continue to go up. Assimilation continues apace.

And look, I fight anti-Semitism. That is my job. But I worry a great deal about broader questions of Jewish identity, as I think we talked about over lunch. And so I think it's really important that our synagogues, our schools, summer camps, our all of our institutions and the federations and denominations and other groups that sort of manage them. I think we all need to look in the mirror and make sure that we're doing everything we can to adapt and to iterate and to be part of where the world is going, not just where the world has been.

https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=65007

>>2425087
Some imperialists may stop being imperialist and start bombing the pentagon. they never complained because someone bombed the pentagon so they are not imperialist as you

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>>2425701
That's not democratic centralism because the party didn't have a debate and come to a collective agreement about it. It's impossed top down by the DNC. It's just centralism without the democratic part. Your point about the bourgeois parties being highly disciplined is correct though. They'd be unable to maintain power if they weren't.

>>2425736
Incorrect. Assuredly the hazbin hotel party leadership debated banning Communism on their reddit page

>>2425684
>>2425703
This is going to be how Trump's going to finally push Epstein out of the headlines - he's going to pull a Netanyahu and invade Mexico. They've been trying to manufacture consent for this for years. All this time, even people here thought he was going to blitzkrieg and annex Greenland and Canada.

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>>2425737

>>2425739
They would lose a conflict with Mexico.

>>2425739
> All this time, even people here thought he was going to blitzkrieg and annex Greenland and Canada.
I mean that makes way more sense since the arctic circle will become more important as climate change gets worse and also it's a region they need to have forward operating bases against Russia


>>2425762
This is the partition of the true Maga revolutionaries and the fake MAGA ruthless cosmopolitanites

>>2425739
Gaza is part of a stateless bantustan with a rebel militia attached to it, whereas Mexico is a state with a sizeable army, a substantial territory with ample irregular terrain and an army that has incorporated asymmetric guerilla tactics as official defense policy, it's not a *winnable* war and it would melt down the entire north American region, it would de-estabilize the US internally.

>>2425762
He's getting ratioed so hard and he has no counter arguments, he's just openly alternating between seething and lying

>>2425762
>Looney Larry loomer
>exposing anybody

>>2425767
You're vastly overestimating the capabilities of the Mexican army bro, they get their shit regularly kicked in by cartels armed with home-made drones and stolen guns.

>>2425699
100k maybe if you’re a doctor from one of the best school in the country

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>>2425769
>transvestigating loomer
riveting stuff but she's just bogged. she actually used to look more feminine before she fucked herself up with cosmetic surgery.

>>2423451
The world needs President Vance to accelerate even more.
The next chesseburger should do it

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>>2425772
You're vastly overestimating the capabilities of the US army bro

>>2425739
Trump isn't doing shit to Mexico. Nothing Will Ever Happen and you will like it!

>>2425767
Mexico is illegal occupied comprador government that lives at the whim of ameriKKKa

>Trump invades Mexico
>It succeeds and he annexes the country
>No more illegal immigration from Mexico since all Mexicans are Americans now.
Problem liberals?

>>2425772
The Mexican army cannot confront cartels directly because they're part of the civilian population and full blown escalation has lots of collateral, also direct confrontation is not particularly effective at addressing the problem directly, they're criminal enterprises with profit motive so as soon as a cartel is dismantled, another three pop up. This sort of retarded, incompetent analysis is what's driving war efforts in the white house, you'd be a formidable trump cock sucker tbh.

>>2425787
That’s what we need, another puerto rico, we love colonialism don’t we folks?

>>2425787
>No more illegal immigration from Mexico since all Mexicans are Americans now.
mexicans will never ever ever ever ever ever be granted citizenship

>>2425786
Unironically direct confrontation threatens the compradores within Mexico, this is why it's so stupid

If Trump lost a conflict with Mexico it would be the funniest thing possible

The US ain't gonna invade Mexico, don't be stupid. It would be terrible for the bottom line of both countries.
What most likely is going to happen is that both governments are going to military cooperate and bomb dozens of indigenous rural towns in Chiapas and Oaxaca on the excuse of "fighting narco-terrorism" and misteriously many transnational mining and logging companies will start operating where these towns were once located.

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>>2425776
she underwent to a bimbofication process very quick. from a mildly cute blonde, to a hyaluronic-acid-bimbofied bitch. what American politics do to a motherfucker.
well, better that than going through the herman cain phases.

So far from God, so close to the United States

>>2425711
Why is his face so small

>>2425789
Mexican army doesn't go hard on cartels because they're afraid of "collateral damage" lol. It's because the cartels are pretty much a para-military organization of both the Me卐ican and AmeriKKKan bourgeois State apparatus to repress the population, steal land from peasants and finance imperial ambitions.

it would be so funny if America tried to invade Canada and Mexico simultaneously and got its shit kicked in and got partitioned into North Mexico and South Canada as a result

>>2425805
Not only is his face tiny he's got an unfortunate hairline for a dude his age. He's 31 still but is rapidly progressing to tony soprano land

>>2425811
If he was less racist he could go to Turkie or Brazil to get that fixed

Maybe Mexico could invite the Russian and Chinese army over to fight the gring- eh fight the cartels :)

>>2425806
Yes they do, they had to relent in Sinaloa due to massive colateral during the culiacanazo but when the US strongarmed AMLO, the Sinaloa cartel completely lost. There's just no comparison because cartels aren't a powerful monolith, they're loosely coordinated groups, and some of them have some form of paramilitary. But just in sheer numbers alone, they are a fraction of the army, there's just no comparison.

Just hope that in case of an invasion of Mexico, at least other Latam countries see the writing on the wall, break relations with the us and start arming themselves

>>2425807
Canuckistan and Mexico have a very weak army. Although it would be funny if China were to do Lend Lease 2: Electric Boogaloo

>>2425806
The second portion of the post is true though, they're the illegal arm of the American and Mexican bourgeoise and sometimes they even act in tandem with the Mexican army and/or non-naco paramilitares. Such is the case in Chiapas. The very existence of the cartels is also fuels the army's and bloated budgets and provided justification to the creation of a national guard so there's some sort of simbiosis going on.

>>2425816
Exactly, hell, even the families of Cahpo fled to the US after a deal was done (intelligence perhaps?)

>>2425711
>the south park merch of himself on the wall
infantile but also hilarious given that MAGA is now distancing itself from South Park

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How is this guy not considered to be racist?

So are you all just national socialists now? It seems like CPUSAnon has won and you have all fully internalized and accepted his admitted national socialist ideology

>>2425844
CPUSA anon can speak for himself, we just get annoyed at the constant SKULLFUCK ALL BURGER BABIES KILL KILL KILL KILL IF YOU THINK MURDER FANTASIES ARE ANNOYING YOU ARE KKKRACKKKA IMPERIALIST posting because it’s childish and counterproductive

>>2425713
He's a lizard person

>>2425837
You are the racist one for just entertaining such a thought. No, even worse than just racist: you're an antisemite.

>>2425837
i've seen people say iy, that there are only 6 million jews in the world, and 340 million Americans.

>>2425776
And eating dollar shop dog food live on stream for 100 dollar while being tricked by a liberal that was some luxury stuff surely doesn't help…

>>2425807
I pray every day for this.

>>2425837
Tbh, I'm concerned too. Imagine you are white or black or asian or amerindian or pacific islander or whatever else… And would you really want to "intermarry" with something that regularly generates psychotic and murderous cunts like that?

The world is tired of the us

>>2425845
Just imagine how mad it must make third worlders when freaks like you talk about sacrificing entire nations for your standard of living.

>>2425837
>Huh, never heard of AF post before, let's check it out
>Oh, it's "America First" Post.
Aren't there any leftist news pages you all can cite instead? I've even seen the leftypol.org Xitter page retweet these guys.

>>2425859
you tell us to imagine such a thing, not being one yourself

>>2425860
Video is in this article

ALGEMEINER'S DAVID COHEN: Is it your sense that Jewish people are getting complacent, that they're not engaging to degrees and levels we should be?

ADL CEO JONATHAN GREENBLATT: I have met a lot of October 8th Jews for whom the massacre on October 7th was a wake-up call. I've met a lot of people who feel much more galvanized, much more organized. But that will only be sustained if we offer them, you know, ways to participate in a real and robust way in Jewish life.

COHEN: And whose responsibility is that?

GREENBLATT: All of ours. But like, this is why we need a revolution in our community, on so many levels. So look, the reality is is that intermarriage rates continue to go up. Assimilation continues apace.

And look, I fight anti-Semitism. That is my job. But I worry a great deal about broader questions of Jewish identity, as I think we talked about over lunch. And so I think it's really important that our synagogues, our schools, summer camps, our all of our institutions and the federations and denominations and other groups that sort of manage them. I think we all need to look in the mirror and make sure that we're doing everything we can to adapt and to iterate and to be part of where the world is going, not just where the world has been.

https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=65007

>>2425859
>>2425859
I don’t, dumbass.

If you got a problem with CPUSA anon, take it up with him directly instead of pretending that he speaks for everyone here.

>inb4 “if you get annoyed at SKULLFUCK THE BURGER BABIES posting that means you’re in favor of exploiting the third world”


Take the childish strawmanning elsewhere.

>>2425845
Death to ameriKKKan pigs. If this offends you, then you are enemy


>>2425797
Yeah they're probably going to try and pull some Tom Clancy bullshit. Man, that ambush scene in Clear & Present Danger was so kino. I love it when all the dudes with plastic bags over their faces and the eye holes cut out start popping up on the rooftops. First time I saw that scene as a kid it freaked me the hell out.

And then the guy with the Texan accent: "Hey, whut da hail?" SHWOOOSH-KRA-BOOOOM

>>2425869
Incorrect. We are many. The imperialist who infest this thread may be sizeable but they hide from the many

>>2425851
it's 16 million. Less than mormons but definitely more than 6 million.

>>2425861
I've talked to some people from, well, I don't know if the third world, but definitely outside of the first world (North Africa and South East Asia), and mostly what they care about is that their standards of living are continuing to improve. I've told them I'm American and they don't care.
This may be different for Middle-Easterners who have rightfully strong Anti-American sentiments, but this is simply my anecdote.

>>2425868
^ I’m genuinely certain this anon is actually just an angry teenager. Same with MAGAcom schizo.

Even the most deranged adults I’ve known don’t have the time or energy to dedicate literal years to screaming the same thing every hour of every day on an imageboard.

Like, let’s review
>seemingly endless spare time
>emotionally disregulated to the point to throwing screaming fits
>CONSTANT strawmanning and bad faith
>pseudo-intellectualism

We all thought we were arguing with an adult, reality is this is just a shitty kid

>>2425871
Then post a screen grab

>>2425855
intermarriage is how people often escape their reactionary communities. also jews aren't genetically reactionary. You know this yourself because you have said on other occasions that Marx wasn't Jewish even though he was the grandchild of a rabbi. So you don't subscribe to natsoc "mischling" theories on "judenblut."

>>2425874
>We all thought we were arguing with an adult
speak for yourself

>>2425820
>Canuckistan and Mexico have a very weak army.
America couldn't beat peasant guerillas in Vietnam or Afghanistan

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Putting this here, but does anyone else think this "authorization to go after drug cartels with the military" is actually targeting Venezuela? Like, the Mexico thing could be misdirection. Like, first they say it's legal for them to go after drug cartels with the military, then they define the Venezuelan government as a drug cartel. Just a thought.

>>2425874
You talk of screed but all i said was death to ameriKKKa and this how you respond? You are the one posting the screed. Every word makes ameriKKKans show true nature more greatly. You pathologic parasocial obsessed imperialist pig who cannot stop attacking your empire enemies

>>2425882
>responds with an indignant screed while denying it

>>2425877
I dont jump for imperialists unlike you. You pig creature

I got the google AI to give me a somewhat realistic scenario of a post capitalist transition without it calling it communist in which it called it a technocratic social economy. I got to form a scenario where a successful implementation beginning with the US leads to a cascading effect that reaches Europe and hence blocking or slowing down capital flight leaving Africa or China as its final avenues of escape and the created a scenario where Africa follows the national sovereignty route which also closes the door and leaves only China as the last bastion of some form of capitalism, in this situation it explained how since China uses a state directed form of capitalism that the former capitalist refugees would become subordinate to the state and lose all their influence which leads to China eventually adopting the new model peacefully creating a global social society that is climate conscious, follows arcology principles and the profit motive is no longer the driver of society, cleverly I got it to explain how realistically you’d still have localized capitalism here or there similar to how feudalism existed alongside capitalism even into the industrial revolution and how eventually like feudalisms dying out capitalism would also die out in these pockets.

>>2425859
>imagine how made you make thirdworlders when you [thing we never do]
stop confusing the average american on /leftypol/ with the average US soldier or cop

>>2425884
Honestly, you sound like a coward who can’t admit you’ve been caught because you just want to fight online

>>2425845
>>2425867
>>2425869
>>2425874
>>2425877
>>2425887
If someone says death to ameriKKKa the only acceptable response in theis place is a silent nod or verbal agreement. Not defending your empire's honor like these fucking pigs
>>2425883
>>2425890
I havent been caught. I am guilty of nothing. Death to ameriKKKan pigs my brother

>>2425885
>I got the google AI to give me a somewhat realistic scenario of a post capitalist transition without it calling it communist in which it called it a technocratic social economy
AI doesn't think. It's just giving you statistically likely sentences. Stop using AI to "think" for you.

>>2425891
I’m not wasting my time arguing with a child who screams that murdering babies is acceptable, and then tries to change the subject like a coward. Grow up.

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>>2425891
>If someone says death to ameriKKKa
nobody cares when you say that, it's obviously shit like picrel anon was talking about in >>2425845

>>2425891
>death to amerikkka = skullfuck all burger babies
anon…

>>2425867
If you do not support smashing the state by the armed body of the proletariat you are not only not a communist but you are by definition supporting the continuation of American imperialism and therefore the sacrifice of entire nations for your standard of living.

>>2420233
>>2420396
people will post shit like this and be like "I'm just opposing American imperialism bro. You should silently agree. It's in the site rules."

You know this is fedposting because it's people posting this in English on a majority English speaking board. If they really were third worlders who felt this way they'd go in their own spaces dedicated to anti-Americanism, not come on a majority English website and post deranged derails. It's obviously fed shit. Either that or frustrated misanthropy from deeply mentally ill people.
>>2425898
There is zero correlation between "Behead Burger Babies" and "destroy the imperialist governments" subject changer

I fucked up post numbers the first time

>>2425898
Nobody said that, you idiot.

People are angry because you advocate for child murder. That is a separate issue.

And you are pretending that not advocating for the murder of children means being pro-imperialist.

See: >>2425894

Gotta love how you’ll get “CPUSAnon turned all of you into Nazis” when someone mildly pushes back on “torture American babies to death”

To those saying “this isn’t actual anti imperialism” all I can say is: to the people saying it, it is.

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>>2425906
it's fedposting + imageboard mental illness

anything to derail the discussion from actual americans discussing how to move forward realistically opposing their own bourgeois dictatorship.

>>2425881
It is, another covert war declaration of war against Vz lol

>>2425906
You know those propaganda paintings nazis made after WW2 of asiatic looking Soviet soldiers gang raping blond german girls and stuff? That stuff was obviously meant to denounce and slander the conduct of the soviet army who very rarely engaged in that sort of conduct, and punished it severely whenever it was discovered, perhaps even more severely than western armies. Well there's a certain type of person on here who looks at that anticommunist propaganda and thinks "Based! I want to do that!"

>>2425881
>then they define the Venezuelan government as a drug cartel. Just a thought.
see >>2425705 where they literally call him the leader

unironically who even cares about venezuela in 2025


>>2425908
Sure, but the problem is you push back on the purity spiraling and you get labeled a fed.

“Death to America” just means killing random Americans. That’s what it means to the people saying it. That’s what it means to the Americans hearing it. But for some reason there’s a niche of people who try to do some sort of academic obscurantism, saying shit like:
>”Well actually ‘death to’ is really abstract, yknow in tarot cards ‘death’ means ‘transformation’ so what we’re really saying is ‘transform America.’”

No one actually thinks that. When they say “death to America” they mean “bomb American towns, kill Americans, torture American babies” that is all the phrase means, full-stop.

Seriously do any of you fuckers go outside? Do you honestly think most normal people don’t see “death to America” as “kill Americans”?

>>2425924
the good faith interpretation is they mean death to the american government and that's what I choose to assume they're saying until they say otherwise, because if I say what you say, I fall into their trap where actually I'm the chauvinist for interpreting them that way. I let them say it first.

>>2425921
Venezuelans. Anti-Imperialists.

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fun times. i'm so glad search is back so I can see boardwide patterns again

>>2425921
The US government

>>2425870
Damn, that was a nice scene

Why aren‘t any of you talking about the LA protests?

>>2425940
too busy arguing over whether Death To America means death to just the government or behead all burger babies

>>2425932
I don’t think it’s “chauvinist” to respond to the “Let’s Kill All Americans” types with a hardy fuck you.

Of course, this is the Left we’re talking about. My phone autocorrected the word “will” to “Will” once and that was treated as proof of some secret fascism because “only fascists capitalize will”. The blinders are selective; someone says “where there’s a Will there’s a way” and it’s bam, you’re a Nazi. Someone says “I want to kill babies” and suddenly it’s “well let’s hear him out, there’s a lot of ways you can interpret ‘kill’”

I will not give you the benefit of the doubt. I won’t “hear you out”. And if your slogan means the exact opposite of what it’s saying it’s a shitty slogan that should be thrown in the garbage.

>>2425870
I randomly rewatched this scene like a year ago and now I'm gonna rewatch it again

>>2425948
>I don’t think it’s “chauvinist” to respond to the “Let’s Kill All Americans” types with a hardy fuck you.
yeah but they're setting a rhetorical trap. it's that motte and bailey thing you're talking about.
>death to amerikkka!
<so you want to just kill americans?
>no you stupid chauvinist, it means like transform america through revolution

or even

>behead all burger kids with blunt knife

( examples >>2420233 >>2420396)
<wtf that's a weird thing to say
>only if you defend imperialism!!!!

>>2425952
See the thing is the Motte and Bailey is about putting a controversial position first and then falling back to a reasonable/simple one. “Death to America” is the Motte, “let’s transform America” is the Bailey.

The solution is still to reject the Motte first and foremost, if they try to retreat then simply point out that if they really meant “let’s transform America” they would use that as a phrase. The slogan should be rejected wholeheartedly in my view.

>>2425944
I mean it pretty obviously refers to the government but CPUSAnon likes to be up in his feels I guess.

>>2425956
It obviously refers to the government which is why you have someone talking about torturing babies to death up above and defending it with “Wha about death to Amerikkka guys?!”

Seriously if it referred to the government it would say “Death to the American Government”; it’s referring to the nation, people included.

Like this is obvious to everyone, the only people it isn’t obvious towards are insular types that want to pretend the phrase means something other than what it says.

If I say “I’m gonna get sandwiches” then come back with tacos, then I shouldn’t say “I’m gonna get sandwiches” in the first fucking place—not try to defend it with “well tacos are a sandwich”

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>>2425958
>“well tacos are a sandwich”

>>2425958
Yeah it's like these guys learned from fascists and just deny the most obvious thing over and over thinking they are playing a masterful mind game. If it really didn't matter to them so much they simply wouldn't argue about it and just change the damn slogan.

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>>2425962
>these guys learned from fascists and just deny the most obvious thing over and over thinking they are playing a masterful mind game
No they aren't.


>>2425966
Same shit, different excuses.

>>2425968
Why don't they just ask the Taliban? Trump is friends with them right?

>>2425968
perhaps he has some of the missing epstein files

>>2425965
our time is now liberalartschads

>>2425968
CIA guy maybe.

>>2425965
and all three are petit bourgeois

>>2425962
Unironically I heard a fascist say once: “I’ve got no problem with Jewish people, I just hate the Jewish conspiracy.” And again up above you’ve got a guy literally saying “death to amerikkka” and talking about slitting a baby’s throat. So if that isn’t what “death to amerikkka” means as a rallying cry, why wouldn’t he say “death to amerikkka and death to American babies”? He folds it all under the phrase “death to amerikkka” cause that is what the phrase means when he’s saying it.

And the funny thing about language, again, is that even if there’s some grey area, if I say “I’m going to get sandwiches” I can at least be reasonably sure that the listener isn’t going to recoil in horror and think mistakenly I’m threatening to kill him. If I were to text them at 3am “I’m gonna kill you, you stupid bitch” then telling the cops “im gonna kill them in video games! In video games!” Isn’t gonna help, especially when they find your buddy with a rope, knife, and the schedule of the person you texted in his car.

>>2425975
If the egg heads studied history in college like us kings instead of nerdy shit they would have known it was a matter of time the clankkkas would come for their job

>>2425944
Both as decree by leninhat anthem

are there actual concern trolls pretending "death to amerikkka" is somehow offensive?

>>2425965
art history majors are employed…at pizza parlors

>>2425986
Depends on what you mean by Amerikkka and what you mean by being "offensive". I consider you a retard and will call you that. Glowtards like Felix literally want to kill every American but never start with themselves. The state, system and bourgeoise, sure. Advocating for the killing of random people is anti materialist.

>>2425988
So they become proletarianized?

>>2425948
>I don’t think it’s “chauvinist” to respond to the “Let’s Kill All Americans” types with a hardy fuck you.
Incorrect. The only correct response is aye. AmeriKKKans must be destroyed to make way for global proletarian revolution. Humanity has nothing to gain by defending the ameriKKKans
>>2425983
The catholic say to us that the slaves must not kill the masters but also support for the master's children. You are ultimate class cuck imperialist
.

>>2425992
millions must proletarianize

dsa status?

>>2425956
So are you gonna correct this guy >>2425994 on his incorrect use of the phrase or just go silent? Because it seems to me that you only get lectured on its meaning when you say you dislike it cause it means murdering innocent people, not when you use it as a rallying cry for “murder more people.”

Weird how it’s never worthy of a correction when someone’s obviously using it, by your own definition, incorrectly.

As a huemonkey, seeing US liberals on Reddit talk about BRICS or our government's position on Israel/Ukraine makes my blood boil. And these are the "left-wing" guys?

The collapse of the American empire can't come soon enough.

>>2425977
depends on where they actually end up working and whether they were able to afford tuition or if they had to go into debt for their degrees

>>2426011
>or if they had to go into debt for their degrees
would you use the same flawed logic if someone goes into debt to start a small business lol

>>2426004
Only a fool preaches ameriKKKan apologetics. AmeriKKKa's fall will be worse than rome. Its swine you call people will tear themselves apart soon enough even without the third world's retribution

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Five Eyes status?

When America deindustrialized it also deproletarianized. This was convenient both for capitalists seeking out cheap labor markets but also for defusing potential proletarian revolution; but this came at the cost of rapidly proletarianizing and urbanizing other countries like China. If America reindustrializes and reproletarianizes, it will reintroduce class struggle. If America falls behind developmentally it will have no more places to outsource to so it won't be able to just deindustrialize again. This is why multipolarity and reindustrialization are both good for the prospects of revolution in the USA, as well as good for the anticolonial and anti-imperial movements, even if it makes the geopolitical situation more unstable.

>>2426014
no because then they would have employees who they are exploiting for surplus value, whereas a person who goes into debt for a lib arts degree and ends up working at wal mart just got proletarianized. It's not the same because the latter category doesn't exploit.

>>2425837
Oh shit, I thought this guy was Stephen Miller for a sec.
There's this creepy dead-eyed Imperial Roman phenotype that freaks me the fuck out. It's insect-like.

>>2425805
cuz he's the superior race, obvs.

>>2425924
CPUSA anon here to say: really like/appreciate your posts.
I cant compliment further since I'm a baby leftist, (most complicated book I read was das capital vol 1), so my appreciation can only go so far – but regardless you're an interesting and refreshing perspective.

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Here's Marx's FULL answer on whether baristas are proles

>>2426040
Ah thanks man, I appreciate it.

Right now one of the projects I’ve got is trying to do a sort of annotated reading of Capital, lots of notes and highlighting. Wishing you the best in your education my man.

>>2426040
>most complicated book I read was das capital vol 1
This makes you more knowledgeable than 90% of the people on this site.

>>2426026
What if the US reindustrializes but tries to automate away as many assembly line positions as possible?

>>2426051
1: AI is absolutely not very good at what the marketers claim it's good at and it is mostly programmers in a trench coat maintaining several borderline incompatible systems and databases as they try to feed each other way too much information at once.
2: classic automation with machinery still requires factories and places to manufacture the machinery which will require regular humans working in them. Automation does not eliminate the needs of society, it just displaces workers. Every job that automation destroys opens up new jobs: like the maintenance and repair of machinery, or the maintenance and development of software. If you say those jobs aren't real prole jobs, just wait until they are deskilled and oversaturated and the benefits and salaries become subsistence wages.

>>2426026
> deindustrialized
> less people own homes (private property) than ever before

America began proletarianizing in the 1970s. The deindustrialization of America began with FDR. Being a prole is about not owning capital and the means of production. Factories have little to do with it.

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>>2426055
Also what a lot of third worldists think of as proletarian is monopsony rent, not profit on enterprise, it's more akin to the feudal exploitation of the lord and the serf.

>>2426028
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-1/mswv1_1.htm
Mao said shop assistants in 1928 semi-colonized capitalist China were semi-proletarians largely due to their anti-imperialist nature. But we know from experience that imperialist, ameriKKKan shop assistant is nothing like 1928 capitalist China. They are far more divorced from proletarians and can only be considered bourgeois.

>>2426059
By that logic: were 1950s American factory workers who bought fully into the Red Scare bourgeois?

>>2426057
>distracting from epstein by pointing out that politicians (including himself) use government inside knowledge to profit
awesome, keep it up!

>>2426061
I really wish I didn't live in a historic time of expanding capitalist crisis with no socialist superpower to counteract it

>>2425906
You are objectively a national socialist and you don't even try to deny it.

>>2425921
you posted about, (You) cared :^)

>>2426060
Without question 1950 ameriKKKan is racist pig.


>>2426065
I live in a part of the States with relatively good public transport, but today I saw a post that was like "got in a car crash, have no car now, don't have enough saved to get another, guess I'll die"
Which I thought was a bit silly at first glance then realized, for 80% of the country getting to work each day requires a car. If you don't have a car, you can't get a job or even get to an existing one. If you can't get a job, that's it. You're fucked. You have no income.

>>2426052
>Every job that automation destroys opens up new jobs: like the maintenance and repair of machinery, or the maintenance and development of software.
This is liberal cope and we have a major historical example of farming to that shows it's not true. Before farming was effectively "automated" by tractors and machinery 90% of the population worked agriculture but now most of those jobs shifted to unrelated service work and the manufacturing of other unrelated goods. So the jobs weren't shifted to maintenance and repair of the machinery it just went to other random busywork.

And now that those other industries are also being automated it will go the same way but now there is not enough other busywork. Yeah you still need some workers but the number needed has decreased rapidly. The idea everyone will all go into software or maintenance isn't a logical conclusion it's just what liberals dreamed up to solve the problem. I fully expect the ruling class to kill off the mass of people as they try to transition to some sort of technofascism.

>>2425940
sorry, buddy, we are busy debating how many American babies you have to kill to be a true communist.

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They got him in 4k, his id taped to his head and his lawyer confirming its him

>>2426087
you have to do property damage to get the """news""" to cover it

>>2426074
>Homo sapiens appeared in Iran 100,000 years ago
nah they appeared in Africa 200,000 years ago

>>2425985
that was literally made as satire of schizoposters

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>>2426059
you are bourgeois for having computer .
i am bourgeois for having computer.
we are all bourgeois for having computer.
we should all be killed by cobalt miners for having computer.
phone is computer btw
computer is means of production btw

>>2426103
Do you own a cellular tower? Do you own the software inside your phone? I severely doubt you own Android OS, iOS or whatever.

>>2426103
>computer is means of production btw

No it isn't, means of production are things like factories, land, resources, energy. Having a computer doesn't make you bourgeois.

And this retard >>2426059 is a typical (Western) third worldist; basically treating the third world as noble savages just to have an excuse to not actually work to try and make socialism succeed in the first world.

>>2426065
tbqfh, fam. you can't correctly organize without this >>2426026 theory.

>>2426106
Also I want to point out cloud services like Gmail

>>2426107
anon, it was obviously a facetious post.

>>2426080
> I fully expect the ruling class to kill off the mass of people as they try to transition to some sort of technofascism.
ok but then who will they sell commodities to? it makes no sense to use technology to increase the amounts of commodities we can produce if the people who are supposed to buy them can't afford them or are dead. In past eras crises of overproduction lead to the deliberate destruction of the productive forces, not of the proletariat. The bourgeoisie needs the proletariat to exist for them to maintain their power. Why would the bourgeoisie kill off all the proles? Also they need a large reserve army of labor so it is more likely the technologically unemployed would just become dependents of the employed. Either way the class contradictions heighten. I don't see a society where only the bourgeoisie and their slave machines exist being really possible.

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>>2426106
>>2426110
what are you saying? proprietary software is proletarian?

>>2426117
the bourgs will directly produce commodities for themselves in communism for the rich

>>2426120
>the bourgs
exist in relation to the proletariat. without a proletariat they are no longer bourgeois
>in communism
there are no bourgeoisie in communism
>for the rich
being rich is relative to whoever is poor. if there are no poor people left, there are no rich people left.

>>2423801
> when have US vassals significantly acted in a way that advances their own self-interest in a significant way, and not just chosen to advance the interest of their own comprador bourgeoise
canada went against the US in the 1950s and exported food to China after Mao won the civil war depsite the US wanting to starve out the young PRC with sanctions.

Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.

>>2426129
more hotline miami levels unlocked

>>2426121
>bourgs are relational BY DEFINITION
notice how people still keep calling them proles after a socialist revolution happens

>>2425767
Ths elephant in the room for a Mexican invasion that at minimum a majority of Mexican Americans will side with Mexico and would have mass riots across the Southwest that would destabilize the US and end up polarizing an already polarized society.

>>2426107
The computer was converted from surplus-value therefore the first-world computer owner is bourgeois. Stop your imperialist lies

>>2426131
you said under communism. socialism and communism are two different things. socialism is the post-revolutionary transition to communism in which class contradictions have not yet been fully abolished but are in the process of being abolished by the dictatorship of the proletariat which exists to expropriate and declass the disenfranchised but still existing bourgeoisie

>>2426134
trvke. there are way more mexicans in america than in mexico

If the US invades and annexes Mexico does that turn all the rapists and murderers in Mexico into American citizens?


>>2426098
He did not say homo Sapiens originated from Iran. Humans arrived from Africa to Iran 100,000 years ago. It is clear that is what he is implying

>>2426143
puerto ricans are US citizens but get no political representation. same with american samoans

>>2426140
>there's still a functioning bourgeoisie after the revolution
welcome back Mr Xiaoping

>>2426143
They would only annex El Norte. The rapist migrants to the anglos are brown southerners

>>2426147
no one in america gets political representation except jews

(go ahead meidos snipe me for this post just because i said jews instead of zionists do it fucking zionist occupied web sight)

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>>2426146
are the subtitles wrong? lo siento, no habla espanol

>>2426151
*jews and white farmers in montana

>>2426151
you get my point, no need to derail

>>2426154
True
come to think of it, Jews never larp as farmers like white people do. every white billionaire has a farm in Montana or Wyoming he "vacations" in but I've never seen a Jewish billionaire do that. why do white folks fetishize farming?

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>>2426149
1. Mr. Lenin said it (picrel)
2. you twisted my words, I never said "functioning" I said "disenfranchised but still existing"

>>2426156
>why do white folks fetishize farming?
they fetishize land ownership, which they call "farming". plantation owners were also called "planters" despite it being the slaves who did all the planting and picking of crops, just like it's undocumented wage workers who live like borderline serfs today.

>>2426157
someone is only bourgeois by virtue of the function in society he plays. once someone's claims to property are annulled he ceases to be bourgeois. it does not linger on him like the cooties.

>>2426117
>ok but then who will they sell commodities to?
Why bother selling commodities when you can just get money directly from the government? Like what they've increasingly been doing the past 30 years? Actually making stuff is a losing proposition and just taking money straight from the printer cuts out the middle man.

>>2426164
tired of giving you answers you don't read. you just twist words, strawman, and change subjects liek a typical tornode poster.

>>2426156
They all moved to Israel. The settler farmer petty-bourgeois kibbutzim national socialist bastards.

>>2426166
money printer go brr renders money worthless eventually due to inflation. and if they're just going to make themselves rich by voting themselves more money, then what's the point of all the automation, which was the original subject of the conversation? What makes automation useful is its ability to increase the SPEED at which commodities are produced, but this decreases the PRICE by decreasing the VALUE, by decreasing the SOCIALLY NECESSARY LABOR TIME. If they're producing millions and millions of cheap commodities through automation, they need a population of consumers to sell it to. but if they kill off all the workers becuase they aren't needed anymore as you hypothesized, then what's the point of all that production? The rich countries already throw out half their food. The rich cannot consume everything by themselves (even thought they'd certainy like to try)

>>2426167
you entered this discussion by reading my comment uncharitably but i guess you don't have the stones to take it when it's done back to you

>>2426172
you replied to me first here >>2426080

>>2426173
>>2426120 was my first post

>>2426174
so I was talking to two different mass tor baiters

>>2426174
my reply to that wasn't uncharitable btw

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>>2426177
ok i see you are the space alien from Arrival unaware of the concept of the passage of time so i can see how you could have easily misread my post

>>2426182
so first you say the bourgeoisie will exist under communism, which will be a communism for the rich, all this taking place in the context of a wider conversation in which some other mass tor baiter (not you) was saying that the bourgeoisie will just kill off all the proles with automation. I said the bourgeoisie won't exist under communism. you then talk about how proles will exist after a socialist revolution, which is a different thing from communism. I then explain this to you, and quote lenin talking about how the dictatorship of the proletariat has to expropriate and suppress the bourgeoisie so they don't return to power, and you say (without commenting on the lenin text I showed you at all) that the bourgeoisie are no longer bourgeoisie under socialism, and it doesn't linger on them like the cooties, which is the opposite line you took earlier where you were saying the bourgeoisie would simply kill everyone and automate everything without prole help and they would get "bourgeois communism" so which is it?

>>2426156
In medieval times Jews were legally forbidden from working the land, they’re wholly urban. By contrast, everyone from Roman aristocrats to medieval kings lionized farming as noble profession, a simple and honest life in contrast to the perfidiousness of the city. In Rome you had that legend of a dictator or emperor giving up power to farm. In France, Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette had a fake farm set up where they’d go to LARP a simple life (I believe Marie told one of the peasants who actually worked there “you don’t know how good you have it.”) it’s simple, dignified labor. In a way, it’s almost a balm to alienation too; you’ve got your property, your crops, your tools, you’re subsisting off your own labor.

I’d say another element is not needing to network or anything. The higher tiers of social hierarchy is increasingly determined by who you know, going to the right events, rubbing shoulders with people you hate. Putting on a mask as it were.

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Egg.

>>2426193
>In medieval times Jews were legally forbidden from working the land
depended on the country but yes they often were. I think in Russia there were Jewish peasants.

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>>2424097
>Can the Naxals just overthrow Modi already?
The Naxalites are getting wiped out.

You should be aware that Gonzaloid Maoists will wildly exaggerate the size and importance of their movements and they do this regularly. We should already be aware that they'll post a picture of like 10 people holding red flags in Austin, Texas and write a report that makes it sound like the United States government is in its final days, or they'll show up to some liberal anti-Drumpf march, hand out red flags to some oblivious libs, and then post pictures and videos that present the march as being entirely Maoist. This goes for their coverage of foreign Maoist "revolutions" that have been losing and shrinking for decades. So, it should not be a surprise that, while the Gonzaloids treated the Naxalites like they were on the cusp of delivering the final coup de grace against the Indian government and winning total Maoist victory in India, that the Indian government is now obliterating them with almost minimal effort and I wouldn't be surprised if we hear of the total end of the Naxals sometime this year.


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