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Not reporting is bourgeois


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Just reminding you that Chinese government got butthurt by Vietnam liberating Cambodia from Khmer Rouge’s tyranny, anti-imperialism doesn’t apply for Dengoids.

>>2425667
But Vietnam now it's just a standard post-soviet barely socdem state. But it's true tht Chinese nationalism hurt Vietnam a lot.

>>2425667
Don't know if you're Vietnamese, but if you are, or are just knowledgeable on the subject, please consider posting something in the /ita/ thread >>2423489 where yesterday an anon asked clarification about the "boat people" situation. He quotes a wikipedia article with a clearly anti-communist tone and he obviously knows there's a bias, but I would like someone with something more specific to say about that, if possible. That said, based Vietnam for BTFO'ing Pol Pot. Even an anarchist like Chomsky says they were right for doing that. One should go Pol Pot against people actually deserving it, not random peasants and shortsighted people.

>>2425766
You are social fascist revisionist brezhnevite. Pol Pot did nothing wrong
>Even an anarchist like Chomsky says
An imperialist says something of no meaning. Every word of imperialist slander against Angkar is speaks volumes to its brilliance
>>2425753
>Chinese nationalism hurt Vietnam a lot.
Wrong. Vietnam lack of spine to social fascist imperialism hurt themselves most greatly. China stood for all oppressed people against social fascism

>>2425780
>You are social fascist revisionist brezhnevite.
Wrong, you schizo freak. I'm an antisocial antitrotzkyite antifungal ecological autonomist federalist syndicalist libertarian grouchomarxist with whatever characteristics. Take that, cunt.

one of the many examples of shitty realpolitik from the PRC during this period. the mujahideen, the khmer rouge, UNITA, all supported by both the US and china against communists. part of the reason the deradicalization measures are carried out in xianjiang is it was the site of joint US-china mujahideen training camps and surveillance stations directed towards the soviets.

it wasnt just deng either, the trend fully started under the late mao period and dengs administration only continued on that general foreign policy course.

im not suggesting that this means the PRC should be simply condemned or dismissed etc in any case. but these policies should not be minimized and the circumstances & decisions that led to them need to be better understood to be able to provide an actually useful assessment and critique. i dont know enough about the details and balance of interests to provide that critique but still needs to be acknowledged how destructive this foreign policy was

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Vietnam imperialistically invaded Cambodia as part of their Greater Vietnam scheme. China did nothing wrong aiding Cambodia and kicking the Vietnamese out.
>Muh pol pot genocide
CIA propaganda that Vietnam institutionalized into their education system so that they could pretend to be victims of a bullying China.

>>2428362
>Viet Cong flag
???

>>2425667
Pol pot was a ultra-retard like Mao. Dengism not only saved China and Cambodia but also Vietnam.

Pol Pot has to be the first bitch ass to use communist aesthetics to accomplish his unrelated goals. Then a bunch of petty African and Arab dictators followed his example in trying to get Chinese/Soviet money by waiving a red flag.

>>2428404
>Then a bunch of petty African and Arab dictators followed his example
Like who?

>>2428380
certainly not the usual vietanon who flags.

>>2428381
>Pol pot was a ultra-retard like Mao.
Also literally just a puppet of royals and reactionaries in Thailand and the west.

>>2428411
Gadafi, Nasser, Ben-Gurion, Sukarno, Velasco, Hafez, Mugabe, Kaunda, Obote

>>2428443

Gaddafi - began rule in 1969
Nasser - began rule in 1954 died in 1970
Ben Gurion (lol) - proclaimed israel in 1948, also not arab or african
Sukarno - ruled 1945 to 1967 also not arab or african
Velasco - ruled 1968 to 1975 also not arab or african
Hafez - began rule in 1971
Mugabe - began rule in 1987
Kaunda - began rule in 1964
Obote - began rule in 1962/66


Pol pot - began rule in 1975

Lmao, the only one who you could possibly claim was influenced by him is Mugabe and at that point he'd already been deposed for like 10 years. Hardly someone to look to as an example of what to do. Sukarno, Ben-Gurion and Nasser were already dead before Pot even took power

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>Vietnam liberating Cambodia from Khmer Rouge’s tyranny
by invading for social-imperialism and reestablishing the khmer monarchy? lmao
>BUT DA USSR DIDNT LIKE DA KHMER ROUGE
brezhnevite ussr didnt like the khmer rouge, not the stalin era ussr, in fact, the khmer rouge was one of the only states that continued to uphold stalin and mao when the rest of the world turned its back on marxism-leninism
tl:dr brezhnevite seethe. regardless of what i think of deng.
>>2428431
when the people who opposed pol pot were trying to restore the monarchy?
>BUT THE CIA HELPED HIM!!
castro also accepted american support and khrushchevite MLs think this was some genius move, in reality all it was was simply the US trying to piss of the USSR which was its main enemy, the USA also dropped millions of bombs on cambodia to prevent a khmer rouge takeover.

>>2428490
He was only able to continue his insurgency as purely a destabilising tool of the Thai monarchist military regime completely in bed with the CIA btw you massive retard.

Lmao @ this thread.

>Fakely shitting on CHOYNAH while fakely praising Voyetnohm


What a joke.

Both ML countries are destroying your capitalist state, lmao

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>>2428556
>didnt read what i said award
after social-imperialist vietnam reestablished the khmer monarchy the USA had no issue helping crush the khmer rouge. dumbass.

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>>2429190
Poor Cambodians man they really got the short end of the stick

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>>2425667
>anti-imperialism doesn’t apply for Dengoids.
You know Mao also supported Pol Pot, right?

>>2428347
It took them like 60 years to get rid of the kulaks?

>>2429198
Come on, he had to give the kid a chance, and you have to give it to the kid; first and only ultraleftist revolution that ever captured the state however short and embarrassing at points their governance was at some point

Also genocide accusations bullshit, the ultraleftist kid was trying to evacuate the cities from the usual burger indiscriminate foreboding

Perfectly normal American behaviour
Kid was dealt a shit hand, and realistically for this kind of statecraft he really was too young

Only ultraleftist victory ever

>>2429203
*bombing
Not foreboding, now that's an interesting autocorrect

Kind of apropos

>>2429203
>Only ultraleftist victory ever
It wasn't "ultra-leftist" in any way whatsoever, what are you talking about.

>>2429205
It achieved Full Communism by the vulgar ultraleftist definition

>>2429206
>the vulgar ultraleftist definition
You'd have to define what that is, "ultraleftist" is generally a meaningless buzzword.
They did not, they sent people to collective farms and did this weird agrarian socialist/collectivist thing using forced labour.

>>2429208
You know the usual kind, the kind that tends to get offended at jokes like this because they ignore the importance, in fact neccesity of the productive forces to the achievement of Full Communism

>>2429209
>le productive forces
Productive forces are more or less built to a sufficient level in China and Vietnam, even then it's not like you have to go through a stage of rule by the bourgeoisie before you can "achieve full communism" (whatever that means)

>>2429208
>they sent people to collective farms and did this weird agrarian socialist/collectivist thing using forced labour.
Watch this video before making further comments about Cambodia
>>2428356

>>2429211
So you're telling me China and Vietnam have the economic base to just let everybody do as they please whenever they want?

That is essentially the definition of Full Communism, given in the Grundwisse

I'd believe it for the USA – until they ran out of government cheese, that is – but, really you think the economic base of China and Vietnam can support that level of leisure for all?

>>2429215
>So you're telling me China and Vietnam have the economic base to just let everybody do as they please whenever they want?
No.
>That is essentially the definition of Full Communism, given in the Grundwisse
No.
>I'd believe it for the USA – until they ran out of government cheese, that is – but, really you think the economic base of China and Vietnam can support that level of leisure for all?
Communism is impossible in one country, so no.

>>2429217
You haven't read the book fuck off read it and stop wasting my time

>>2429214
This video is garbage, just pokes holes in specific claims without looking at the bigger picture or any other evidence that may contradict the pre-established narrative in the creator's head.
>>2429218
Communist society is not anarchy, it is highly organized, everyone knows this.

>>2429224
>i haven't read the book
三Q bye 👋

>>2429224
So you have no argument other than it's not holistic enough? Sounds like cope tbh

>>2429224
>i haven't read the book
三Q bye 👋
Here you go https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1857/grundrisse/

>>2429226
It also ignores all evidence that may contradict it, selectively looking at sources that it can either poke holes in (there are many or sources from political groups that agree with everything it says.
>>2429227
You could also cite the text you're referring to instead of acting like a smug faggot.

>>2429228
Thank you for the chatbot slop👋

>>2429228
That's just repeating the same argument again

>"It doesn't adress every single point that could be counter to what they're trying to say"

Ie it's not holistic enough

Cope

How about you actually adress the arguments made in the video?

>>2429190
of course the resident board schizo understands the world through gay little wikipedia boxes.
as much as you like to try to present yourself as le based schizo or whatever you are still just another braindead low information american. pathetic.

>>2429205
Uh he pretty much was. Pol Pot was a sort of super accelerationist who wanted communism as fast as possible, to modernize Cambodia into an industrial powerhouse within a few years, he even called his plan "The Super Great leap forward". In any other party Pol Pot would've been deemed an ultraleft deviationist. I remember reading on Cambodian-Chinese diplomacy and some CPC members indeed thought Pol Pot was a leftcommunist

>>2429233
seethe, if you have an actual reply say it instead of being a whiny faggot


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